[meteorite-list] Ensisheim: latest news
Hi list, Some recent news about Ensisheim 2008 that starts in 3 days from now, this answering various requirements and questions I am currently receiving: 1) Weather forecast (reliability about 75%): Today is ending the medium-cold rainy wave (18°C) with a significant temperature increase and clearing predicted for Wed. Thu (for early-early birds): 24°C, partly cloudy. Friday: light morning rain possibilities and 23°C (71 F), so that the dinner party could either be held outside (not very likely) or, more probably in the famous cellar. Saturday: 23°C, dry, partly cloudy, just appropriate for evening meals in the outside tents, music and dancing activities on the main square. Sunday: sunny and heat wave starting (27°C = about 81 F), extending on Monday (29°C, thunderstorms possible) for those already heading to Ste Marie, exploring wineyards or just visiting. 2) I had a contact with our friend Serge Afanasiev. He will be free again from next November and so will be Slava Skorniakov. Both firmly expect being our guests in 2009. Serge anounced that Dima Sadilenko and Sergey Petukhov will be again representing Russia as dealers in Ensisheim 2008. All tables are rented except 2 of them that are on hold (for 2 very last minute participants who currently forget to confirm...(they are lucky that our rules can sometimes be less rigid than elsewhere...selectively for them! - hey folks, this is my last warning!) 3) So far I have 85 participants who reserved for the Friday dinner-party. We can easily accomodate 95, as last year. This is my last call for a few lunatics (never worry, Norbert, your place is firmly reserved...) 4) The thematic exhibit (meteorites from Russia and Eastern Europe) will be greatly enhanced by some impressive meteorites brought by our brother-guardian Sergey Sasiliev from some private collections or museums. Here is the list: 1. Brient (AEUC-P), 20.15g, two sides cut fragment w. some crust, label from Moscow Academy of Sciences (MAS) 2. Chervony Kut (AEUC-M), 83.81g, complete slice with crust all around, label MAS 3. Elenovka (L5), 52.4g, fragment with some crust, from private collector 4. Elga (IIE), 22.6g, etched block, from MAS but no label 5. Erevan (AHOW), 3.0g, partial slice w. some crust, label MAS 6. Glasatovo (H4), 8.8g, partial slice w. some crust, from private collector 7. Ivanovka (H5), 102.8g, partial slice w. some rusty crust, from MAS but no label 8. Lipovsky (PAL), 262g, end cut w. some rusty crust, from Kharkov Univ., Ukraine, no label 9. Krasnojarsk (PAL-MG), 222g, one side cut fragment, from St.Petersburg Mining Museum, no label but small number on the specimen 10. Krymka (LL3.1), 28.2g, end cut with crust, from private collector 11. Novo-Urei (AURE), 17.4g, slice, label MAS 12. Ochansk (H4), 1723.6g, complete stone with crust, label from Kazan University, Russia 13. Padvarninkai (AEUC-M), 9.7g, partial slice with crust, label MAS 14. Pesyanoe (AUB), 48.5g, fragment with some crust, label MAS 15. Pomozdino (AEC-C), 30.56, almost complete slice w. crust, label MAS 16. Pervomaisky (L6), 836.4g, complete stone, label MAS 17. Vetluga (AEUC-M), 35.37g, partial slice w. crust, label MAS 18. Yurtuk (AHOW), 21.6g, half stone w. crust, from MAS but no label 19. Zhmenj (AHOW), 2.88g, partial slice, label MAS 20. Pavlovka (AHOW), 0.264g, fragment w. some crust, from private collector Note many rare types (IIE, AEUC, AUB, AHOW...), odd provenances (Erevan, Padvarninkai, Pavlovka, Zhmenj...), large more common pieces (262g Lipovsky, 222 g (!) Krasnojarsk, or almost 2 kg of crusted Ochansk. And who has ever seen a giant (48.5 g) Pesyanoe aubrite, a 17.4 g of Novo-Urei or a 30.6 g complete slice of Pomozdino eucrite (tkw = 327 grams!) ? Their exhibit will be completed by some less commonly seen pieces from other collections, among which: Augustinovka (45.1 g), Bachmut, 65.4 g), Braunau (6.65 g), Gressk (5.54 g), Hraschina slice (3.1 g), Jelica (12.8 g), Khmelevka (11.6 g), Krymka (17.4 g), Kunashak (31.4 g), Kuznetsovo, a hammer!,(7.8 g); Mezö-Madaras (3.5 g), Milena (15.2 g), Seeläsgen (64.1 g), Tabor (14 g), Tomakovka (15 g), Tsarev (290 g), Vavilovka (9.7 g), Zaklodzie (14.1 g), and a pannel with some very rare micromounts. For sure, you will also see many weird shaped Sikhote-Alins, old Pultusks, Brahins or that 918 g Seymchan with the outline of the profile of Jacques Chirac, a 333 g full slice of Vyatka, a nicely oriented (!) Morasko chunk (253 g) or a very fresh 91.5 g Kainsaz resembling the recently admired pic of the day. A few old Russian original meteorite books such as the treatises of Stoikovich (1807), Mukhin (1819) or the more recently (1949), but still famous piece of work of Krinov. 5) Consignment room/tables: As every year, various collectors will present for sale some of the threasures they have in collection. This year we have 7 anonymous and one well identified collectors (me!) who will offer quite
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim: latest news
Zelimer, Wow! What an incredible collection of Eastern European Meteorites. I am so sorry that I am not able to attend the show. Will there be any chance of photos of this display? Cheers, Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: dominique VELUT [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jean Marie Blosser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim: latest news Hi list, Some recent news about Ensisheim 2008 that starts in 3 days from now, this answering various requirements and questions I am currently receiving: 1) Weather forecast (reliability about 75%): Today is ending the medium-cold rainy wave (18°C) with a significant temperature increase and clearing predicted for Wed. Thu (for early-early birds): 24°C, partly cloudy. Friday: light morning rain possibilities and 23°C (71 F), so that the dinner party could either be held outside (not very likely) or, more probably in the famous cellar. Saturday: 23°C, dry, partly cloudy, just appropriate for evening meals in the outside tents, music and dancing activities on the main square. Sunday: sunny and heat wave starting (27°C = about 81 F), extending on Monday (29°C, thunderstorms possible) for those already heading to Ste Marie, exploring wineyards or just visiting. 2) I had a contact with our friend Serge Afanasiev. He will be free again from next November and so will be Slava Skorniakov. Both firmly expect being our guests in 2009. Serge anounced that Dima Sadilenko and Sergey Petukhov will be again representing Russia as dealers in Ensisheim 2008. All tables are rented except 2 of them that are on hold (for 2 very last minute participants who currently forget to confirm...(they are lucky that our rules can sometimes be less rigid than elsewhere...selectively for them! - hey folks, this is my last warning!) 3) So far I have 85 participants who reserved for the Friday dinner-party. We can easily accomodate 95, as last year. This is my last call for a few lunatics (never worry, Norbert, your place is firmly reserved...) 4) The thematic exhibit (meteorites from Russia and Eastern Europe) will be greatly enhanced by some impressive meteorites brought by our brother-guardian Sergey Sasiliev from some private collections or museums. Here is the list: 1. Brient (AEUC-P), 20.15g, two sides cut fragment w. some crust, label from Moscow Academy of Sciences (MAS) 2. Chervony Kut (AEUC-M), 83.81g, complete slice with crust all around, label MAS 3. Elenovka (L5), 52.4g, fragment with some crust, from private collector 4. Elga (IIE), 22.6g, etched block, from MAS but no label 5. Erevan (AHOW), 3.0g, partial slice w. some crust, label MAS 6. Glasatovo (H4), 8.8g, partial slice w. some crust, from private collector 7. Ivanovka (H5), 102.8g, partial slice w. some rusty crust, from MAS but no label 8. Lipovsky (PAL), 262g, end cut w. some rusty crust, from Kharkov Univ., Ukraine, no label 9. Krasnojarsk (PAL-MG), 222g, one side cut fragment, from St.Petersburg Mining Museum, no label but small number on the specimen 10. Krymka (LL3.1), 28.2g, end cut with crust, from private collector 11. Novo-Urei (AURE), 17.4g, slice, label MAS 12. Ochansk (H4), 1723.6g, complete stone with crust, label from Kazan University, Russia 13. Padvarninkai (AEUC-M), 9.7g, partial slice with crust, label MAS 14. Pesyanoe (AUB), 48.5g, fragment with some crust, label MAS 15. Pomozdino (AEC-C), 30.56, almost complete slice w. crust, label MAS 16. Pervomaisky (L6), 836.4g, complete stone, label MAS 17. Vetluga (AEUC-M), 35.37g, partial slice w. crust, label MAS 18. Yurtuk (AHOW), 21.6g, half stone w. crust, from MAS but no label 19. Zhmenj (AHOW), 2.88g, partial slice, label MAS 20. Pavlovka (AHOW), 0.264g, fragment w. some crust, from private collector Note many rare types (IIE, AEUC, AUB, AHOW...), odd provenances (Erevan, Padvarninkai, Pavlovka, Zhmenj...), large more common pieces (262g Lipovsky, 222 g (!) Krasnojarsk, or almost 2 kg of crusted Ochansk. And who has ever seen a giant (48.5 g) Pesyanoe aubrite, a 17.4 g of Novo-Urei or a 30.6 g complete slice of Pomozdino eucrite (tkw = 327 grams!) ? Their exhibit will be completed by some less commonly seen pieces from other collections, among which: Augustinovka (45.1 g), Bachmut, 65.4 g), Braunau (6.65 g), Gressk (5.54 g), Hraschina slice (3.1 g), Jelica (12.8 g), Khmelevka (11.6 g), Krymka (17.4 g), Kunashak (31.4 g), Kuznetsovo, a hammer!,(7.8 g); Mezö-Madaras (3.5 g), Milena (15.2 g), Seeläsgen (64.1 g), Tabor (14 g), Tomakovka (15 g), Tsarev (290 g), Vavilovka (9.7 g), Zaklodzie (14.1 g), and a pannel with some very rare micromounts. For sure, you will also see many weird shaped Sikhote-Alins, old Pultusks, Brahins or that 918 g Seymchan with the outline of the profile of Jacques Chirac, a 333 g full slice of Vyatka, a nicely oriented (!) Morasko chunk (253 g) or a very fresh 91.5 g Kainsaz
[meteorite-list] Carancas paper
Hello list members, I have just downloaded a free PDF file of the letter paper on the Carancas event, published in AA yesterday. This seems to be very interesting and the link is below: http://www.aanda.org/index.php?option=articleaccess=standardItemid=129url=/articles/aa/abs/2008/26/aa09905-08/aa09905-08.html Katsu Tokyo, JAPAN -- AA 485, L1-L4 (2008) DOI: 10.1051/0004-6361:200809905 Letter The Carancas meteorite impact - Encounter with a monolithic meteoroid J. Borovicka and P. Spurn? Astronomical Institute of the Academy of Sciences, Fricova 298, 25165 Ondrejov Observatory, Czech Republic e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received 4 April 2008 / Accepted 4 May 2008 Abstract The formation of a 13-m wide impact crater by a stony meteorite near Carancas, Peru, on September 15, 2007 was an unexpected event. Stony meteoroids usually disintegrate in the atmosphere in many pieces, each landing at low velocity. We present examples of well-observed fireballs, which have all experienced atmospheric fragmentation. Using a simple model, we find that the Carancas meteoroid may have avoided fragmentation, if its strength was 20-40 MPa; such a strength would be comparable to the tensile strength of stony meteorites, but is higher than the strength of other observed meteoroids. We conclude that Carancas was a rare example of a monolithic meteoroid that was free of internal cracks. This example demonstrates that meteoroid strength can vary significantly from case to case and does not depend on meteoroid size. We estimate that the initial size of Carancas meteoroid was 0.9-1.7 m. Our model predicts an impact velocity that w as in the range 2-4 km s-1. Key words: meteors, meteoroids -- Earth __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - June 17, 2008
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[meteorite-list] AD: Portales Valley photos and list updated
Dear List, The photos of the Portales Valley slices are now posted on my website at: http://meteoritesjapan.com/forsale.aspx Please check out the other fine meteorites I am offering. Thank you. Please contact me off list for questions. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CAMEL DONGA FOR TRADE
Hi list.I have a 24 gram camel donga that is 100 fusion crusted.I am looking for a slice of estherville.75 grams or bigger.Picture on my miscellaneous meteorite page.Let me know offlist. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! http://chicagometeorites.net/ Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RFS Picture of the Day: Philippe Thomas' NWA 4769 (LL3.8)
Descriptive note by the author: A type-II porphyritic pyroxene (PP) chondrule in crossed polarized light. Thin section from the NWA 4769 LL3.8, S1, W1 chondrite. Hello List, An almost identical chondrule is pictured in: NORTON O. R. (2002) The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites (Cambridge University Press) on page 110. On pp. 109-110, you'll also find information on why this chondrule-type is called a type II porphyritic chondrule. Best wishes from the proud owner of a beautiful 5.95-gram slice of this troilite-rich desert beauty. My slice also features a gorgeous 7 x 5 mm troilite bleb and several oval chondrules! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-111b NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 16, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- One of the ovens on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander continued baking its first sample of Martian soil over the weekend, while the Robotic Arm dug deeper into the soil to learn more about white material first revealed on June 3. The oven is working very well and living up to our expectations, said Phoenix co-investigator Bill Boynton of the University of Arizona, Tucson. Boynton leads the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer (TEGA), or oven instrument, for Phoenix. Phoenix has eight separate tiny ovens to bake and sniff the soil and look for volatile ingredients, such as water. This baking is performed at three different temperature ranges. On Sol 18 (June 12), the lander's Robotic Arm dug deeper into the two trenches, informally called Dodo and Goldilocks, where white material was previously found. This created one large trench, now called Dodo-Goldilocks. We have continued to excavate in the Dodo-Goldilocks trench to expose more of the light-toned material, and we will monitor the site, said Robotic Arm lead scientist Ray Arvidson of the University of Washington, St. Louis. If the material is ice, it should change with time. Frost may form on it, or it could slowly sublimate. Sublimation is the process where a solid changes directly into gas. The Dodo-Goldilocks trench is 22 centimeters wide (8.7 inches) and 35 centimeters long (13.8 inches). The trench is seven to eight centimeters (2.7 to 3 inches) deep at its deepest. The deepest portion is closest to the lander. The white material is located only at the shallowest part of the trench, farthest from the lander, indicating that it is not continuous throughout the excavated site. The trench might be exposing a ledge, or only a portion of a slab, of the white material, according to scientists. The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, located in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu. Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sara Hammond 520-626-1974 University of Arizona, Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper
My question is: If there are only 8 ovens on the Lander, what happens when they are all full? Is there a provision to dump the ovens and reuse them? Pete - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-111b NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 16, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- One of the ovens on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander continued baking its first sample of Martian soil over the weekend, while the Robotic Arm dug deeper into the soil to learn more about white material first revealed on June 3. The oven is working very well and living up to our expectations, said Phoenix co-investigator Bill Boynton of the University of Arizona, Tucson. Boynton leads the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer (TEGA), or oven instrument, for Phoenix. Phoenix has eight separate tiny ovens to bake and sniff the soil and look for volatile ingredients, such as water. This baking is performed at three different temperature ranges. On Sol 18 (June 12), the lander's Robotic Arm dug deeper into the two trenches, informally called Dodo and Goldilocks, where white material was previously found. This created one large trench, now called Dodo-Goldilocks. We have continued to excavate in the Dodo-Goldilocks trench to expose more of the light-toned material, and we will monitor the site, said Robotic Arm lead scientist Ray Arvidson of the University of Washington, St. Louis. If the material is ice, it should change with time. Frost may form on it, or it could slowly sublimate. Sublimation is the process where a solid changes directly into gas. The Dodo-Goldilocks trench is 22 centimeters wide (8.7 inches) and 35 centimeters long (13.8 inches). The trench is seven to eight centimeters (2.7 to 3 inches) deep at its deepest. The deepest portion is closest to the lander. The white material is located only at the shallowest part of the trench, farthest from the lander, indicating that it is not continuous throughout the excavated site. The trench might be exposing a ledge, or only a portion of a slab, of the white material, according to scientists. The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, located in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu. Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sara Hammond 520-626-1974 University of Arizona, Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper
Hi Pete, Unfortunately, all eight of the ovens cannot be emptied or re-used for other tests. I believe I remember hearing it had something to do with saving weight on the craft. Best, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Shugar Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:40 PM To: Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample,Arm Digs Deeper My question is: If there are only 8 ovens on the Lander, what happens when they are all full? Is there a provision to dump the ovens and reuse them? Pete - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-111b NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 16, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- One of the ovens on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander continued baking its first sample of Martian soil over the weekend, while the Robotic Arm dug deeper into the soil to learn more about white material first revealed on June 3. The oven is working very well and living up to our expectations, said Phoenix co-investigator Bill Boynton of the University of Arizona, Tucson. Boynton leads the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer (TEGA), or oven instrument, for Phoenix. Phoenix has eight separate tiny ovens to bake and sniff the soil and look for volatile ingredients, such as water. This baking is performed at three different temperature ranges. On Sol 18 (June 12), the lander's Robotic Arm dug deeper into the two trenches, informally called Dodo and Goldilocks, where white material was previously found. This created one large trench, now called Dodo-Goldilocks. We have continued to excavate in the Dodo-Goldilocks trench to expose more of the light-toned material, and we will monitor the site, said Robotic Arm lead scientist Ray Arvidson of the University of Washington, St. Louis. If the material is ice, it should change with time. Frost may form on it, or it could slowly sublimate. Sublimation is the process where a solid changes directly into gas. The Dodo-Goldilocks trench is 22 centimeters wide (8.7 inches) and 35 centimeters long (13.8 inches). The trench is seven to eight centimeters (2.7 to 3 inches) deep at its deepest. The deepest portion is closest to the lander. The white material is located only at the shallowest part of the trench, farthest from the lander, indicating that it is not continuous throughout the excavated site. The trench might be exposing a ledge, or only a portion of a slab, of the white material, according to scientists. The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, located in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu. Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sara Hammond 520-626-1974 University of Arizona, Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Am I missing something here?
Thanks to Mr Grossman for interesting explanation. Yes I have two new chondrites NWA 5206 LL3.05 (prov.) NWA 5205 LL3.2 (prov.) and together with my old NWA 4560 LL3.1 this make very nice trio. Im now preparing for Ensisheim so I have no time to make photos and update my website. Collectors who will be in Ground Zero next weekend, You can look at them in person. Others must wait few days longer when I comeback from Ensisheim and rest a litte :) See You soon in France! -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) kosmos [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : Sell/Trade Telescope Eyepieces for Meteorites/Cash
Hi! Attention fellow list members who are also stargazers. I have some telescope gear that I would like to convert to meteorites - either directly via trade or by selling the gear to get cash to buy meteorites. To avoid shipping hassles, I would prefer to deal with someone in the US only at this time. I'm flexible on my prices, so if something looks interesting but my price is too high, make me a reasonable offer. I am an experienced optics trader and I flipped scopes to pay for my telescope collection, before I started collecting meteorites. So I know how to pack fragile/valuable instruments for shipping. 1) Orion Stratus 13mm Widefield eyepiece. 1.25 format, 20mm eye relief, 68 degree AFOV, well corrected, fully multicoated. Excellent condition. Comes with both end caps and drawstring bag. Asking $75 cash or trade. 2) Celestron X-Cel 5mm eyepiece. 20mm eye relief, 1.25 format, fully multicoated. I'm not sure what the AFOV is, but it's similar to a Plossl. This is a good eyepiece at f/8 or slower. In faster scopes, it's pretty soft. In an Mak/SCT, this is a good cheap alternative to a Radian. Asking $30 cash or trade. 3) Custom built hardwood tripod legs. 2 thick, made of white ash, purple heart, and walnut. Professionally made by a friend of mine at my request - these are beautiful and rock solid. Fixed-length, approx. 48 tall. Metal spikes at the end of the legs. Nice poly water resistant clearcoat finish. These will fit all standard CG5/Vixen GP/SVP type mount hubs. I have the 3 legs, a spreader tray (not clearcoated), and hub bolts. Does NOT include the mount hub. All you provide is your own mount. Upgrade those wobbly metal legs to beautiful hardwood 2-thick legs - these legs eat vibration for lunch. I have mounted a 6 Mak and Vixen SP/GP mount on these legs, and it was solid without any shaking. In fit and finish, these legs are as pretty as the Televue or Takahashi wood legs, but sturdier. The leg length is perfect for short tube telescopes. A pier-extension is recommended for long tube scopes like slow refractors. Asking $250 shipped for the legs - due to shipping size. I can provide photos of everything described here. The tripod legs are SWEET. I have had this same craftsman make an observing chair and a binocular parallelogram mount for me - all have attracted a ton of compliments everytime they are shown. He does good work and has a waiting list. I will take cash, but I will also entertain offers in trade for meteorites. I'm looking for a large pretty UNWA stone about the size of a baseball - it must have some nice crust and/or wind polish at least, no weathered-up caliche rocks. I'm also looking for nice etched slices of finer octahedrites like Gibeon. I also collect and sell micromounts, so I will buy or trade for cutting crumbs of rare/unusual types. Contact me off-list with offers or email me at the following address - [EMAIL PROTECTED] I prefer to use PayPal. Thanks for looking and clear skies! :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] mars ice cap pix
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper
I guess that means only 8 experiments and then it becomes a high dollar garbage can.. Pete - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pete Shugar' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ron Baalke' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample,Arm Digs Deeper Hi Pete, Unfortunately, all eight of the ovens cannot be emptied or re-used for other tests. I believe I remember hearing it had something to do with saving weight on the craft. Best, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Shugar Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:40 PM To: Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample,Arm Digs Deeper My question is: If there are only 8 ovens on the Lander, what happens when they are all full? Is there a provision to dump the ovens and reuse them? Pete - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-111b NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 16, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- One of the ovens on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander continued baking its first sample of Martian soil over the weekend, while the Robotic Arm dug deeper into the soil to learn more about white material first revealed on June 3. The oven is working very well and living up to our expectations, said Phoenix co-investigator Bill Boynton of the University of Arizona, Tucson. Boynton leads the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer (TEGA), or oven instrument, for Phoenix. Phoenix has eight separate tiny ovens to bake and sniff the soil and look for volatile ingredients, such as water. This baking is performed at three different temperature ranges. On Sol 18 (June 12), the lander's Robotic Arm dug deeper into the two trenches, informally called Dodo and Goldilocks, where white material was previously found. This created one large trench, now called Dodo-Goldilocks. We have continued to excavate in the Dodo-Goldilocks trench to expose more of the light-toned material, and we will monitor the site, said Robotic Arm lead scientist Ray Arvidson of the University of Washington, St. Louis. If the material is ice, it should change with time. Frost may form on it, or it could slowly sublimate. Sublimation is the process where a solid changes directly into gas. The Dodo-Goldilocks trench is 22 centimeters wide (8.7 inches) and 35 centimeters long (13.8 inches). The trench is seven to eight centimeters (2.7 to 3 inches) deep at its deepest. The deepest portion is closest to the lander. The white material is located only at the shallowest part of the trench, farthest from the lander, indicating that it is not continuous throughout the excavated site. The trench might be exposing a ledge, or only a portion of a slab, of the white material, according to scientists. The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, located in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu. Media contacts: Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dwayne Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sara Hammond 520-626-1974 University of Arizona, Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] mars ice cap pix
Try: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/ Larry L. On Tue, June 17, 2008 3:54 pm, mckinney trammell wrote: is there a link to pix taken from the recent landing on ice caps? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper
I guess that means only 8 experiments and then it becomes a high dollar garbage can.. Pete, only? high dollar garbage can??? That sounds a bit too aggressive of a criticism for my taste in light of the historic accomplishments in progress on the frigid Polar surface of Mars. Have you ever cleaned out an oven? Decontaminated it without having any water or liquids? I guess NASA preferred not to wrap the baked goods in aluminum baggies and not make the Mars under the lander a garbage heap of disposable crap and contaminating solvents. I'm not critical of that. I don't what you are thinking, but 8 oven cycles sounds like 8 times infinity more quality oven time than we had before. Best wishes, Doug PS Speaking about learning to clean out the oven, I recommend to you the comedy movie, A Day without a Mexican, and think Mars instead of California :) If that is too testy, how 'bout To Build a Fire by Jack London? -Original Message- From: Pete Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ron Baalke' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper I guess that means only 8 experiments and then it becomes a high dollar garbage can.. Pete - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pete Shugar' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ron Baalke' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample,Arm Digs Deeper Hi Pete, Unfortunately, all eight of the ovens cannot be emptied or re-used for other tests. I believe I remember hearing it had something to do with saving weight on the craft. Best, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Shugar Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:40 PM To: Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample,Arm Digs Deeper My question is: If there are only 8 ovens on the Lander, what happens when they are all full? Is there a provision to dump the ovens and reuse them? Pete - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-111b NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 16, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- One of the ovens on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander continued baking its first sample of Martian soil over the weekend, while the Robotic Arm dug deeper into the soil to learn more about white material first revealed on June 3. The oven is working very well and living up to our expectations, said Phoenix co-investigator Bill Boynton of the University of Arizona, Tucson. Boynton leads the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer (TEGA), or oven instrument, for Phoenix. Phoenix has eight separate tiny ovens to bake and sniff the soil and look for volatile ingredients, such as water. This baking is performed at three different temperature ranges. On Sol 18 (June 12), the lander's Robotic Arm dug deeper into the two trenches, informally called Dodo and Goldilocks, where white material was previously found. This created one large trench, now called Dodo-Goldilocks. We have continued to excavate in the Dodo-Goldilocks trench to expose more of the light-toned material, and we will monitor the site, said Robotic Arm lead scientist Ray Arvidson of the University of Washington, St. Louis. If the material is ice, it should change with time. Frost may form on it, or it could slowly sublimate. Sublimation is the process where a solid changes directly into gas. The Dodo-Goldilocks trench is 22 centimeters wide (8.7 inches) and 35 centimeters long (13.8 inches). The trench is seven to eight centimeters (2.7 to 3 inches) deep at its deepest. The deepest portion is closest to the lander. The white material is located only at the shallowest part of the trench, farthest from the lander, indicating that it is not continuous throughout the excavated site. The trench might be exposing a ledge, or only a portion of a slab, of the white material, according to scientists. The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith with project management at JPL and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, located in Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute. For more
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper
I agree that we have learned tons more than what we did know. What I am wondering is if the lander can move to new locations or will it be only at this one location. Otherwise we will learn a lot about a very small patch of Mars. I think the other 2 rovers will provide more science due to examining many places instead of just the one small patch of Mars that will checked. I agree it will be very a intensive in depth look at a small spot. It may sound as an aggressive criticism for your taste, but that is a truth. If the Lander could move to new locations and dump it's ovens for use in new experiments we would have generated a larger amount of science. Maybe it's just that I'm not as up on this probe as I am on the other two. Pete - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample,Arm Digs Deeper I guess that means only 8 experiments and then it becomes a high dollar garbage can.. Pete, only? high dollar garbage can??? That sounds a bit too aggressive of a criticism for my taste in light of the historic accomplishments in progress on the frigid Polar surface of Mars. Have you ever cleaned out an oven? Decontaminated it without having any water or liquids? I guess NASA preferred not to wrap the baked goods in aluminum baggies and not make the Mars under the lander a garbage heap of disposable crap and contaminating solvents. I'm not critical of that. I don't what you are thinking, but 8 oven cycles sounds like 8 times infinity more quality oven time than we had before. Best wishes, Doug PS Speaking about learning to clean out the oven, I recommend to you the comedy movie, A Day without a Mexican, and think Mars instead of California :) If that is too testy, how 'bout To Build a Fire by Jack London? -Original Message- From: Pete Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ron Baalke' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper I guess that means only 8 experiments and then it becomes a high dollar garbage can.. Pete - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Pete Shugar' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ron Baalke' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample,Arm Digs Deeper Hi Pete, Unfortunately, all eight of the ovens cannot be emptied or re-used for other tests. I believe I remember hearing it had something to do with saving weight on the craft. Best, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Shugar Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 12:40 PM To: Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample,Arm Digs Deeper My question is: If there are only 8 ovens on the Lander, what happens when they are all full? Is there a provision to dump the ovens and reuse them? Pete - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 12:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-111b NASA Phoenix Lander Bakes Sample, Arm Digs Deeper Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 16, 2008 TUCSON, Ariz. -- One of the ovens on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander continued baking its first sample of Martian soil over the weekend, while the Robotic Arm dug deeper into the soil to learn more about white material first revealed on June 3. The oven is working very well and living up to our expectations, said Phoenix co-investigator Bill Boynton of the University of Arizona, Tucson. Boynton leads the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer (TEGA), or oven instrument, for Phoenix. Phoenix has eight separate tiny ovens to bake and sniff the soil and look for volatile ingredients, such as water. This baking is performed at three different temperature ranges. On Sol 18 (June 12), the lander's Robotic Arm dug deeper into the two trenches, informally called Dodo and Goldilocks, where white material was previously found. This created one large trench, now called Dodo-Goldilocks. We have continued to excavate in the Dodo-Goldilocks trench to expose more of the light-toned material, and we will monitor the site, said Robotic Arm lead scientist Ray Arvidson of the University of Washington, St. Louis. If the material is ice, it should change with time. Frost may form on it, or it could slowly sublimate. Sublimation is the process where a solid changes directly into gas. The Dodo-Goldilocks trench is 22 centimeters wide (8.7 inches)
[meteorite-list] Show your meteorite art
We've seen some amazing meteorite artwork from some fellow collectors. From Fred Olsen's incredible Ensi-woodcut repro to Graham Ensor's original etched Seymchan transfer. Since the list has been slow lately and I thought it might be fun to see other people's meteorite related art/prints/objects/paintings/etc.. (besides the rocks themselves) Original or repro. Amateur or professional. I'm curious to see other meteorite related art that may exist that we all may not know about. A local frame shop was running a custom framing sale and I finally had a couple pieces done. Fred Olsen's Ensi-woodcut: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Ensi-Print.jpg One of Svend Buhl's repro-prints (Hessle Meteorites): http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Hessle-Print.jpg I can't believe how expensive custom framing is these days, but they sure look nice on the wall! Even my wife agrees. Eventually, I will have everything framed and sprinkled about the house. Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com IMCA #5765 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Show your meteorite art
Hola Mike, All, Here are a few shots of a painting of mine from this past year... http://flickr.com/photos/cameteoritefinder/2588462425/ Eh, I had fun with it, and for a rough job...I was satisfied anyways. I've also recently uploaded a number of other photographs of meteorites...have a look through the photostream. I've taken to trying to go for more more artistic shots than the typical find-in-situ stuff. Regards, Jason On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've seen some amazing meteorite artwork from some fellow collectors. From Fred Olsen's incredible Ensi-woodcut repro to Graham Ensor's original etched Seymchan transfer. Since the list has been slow lately and I thought it might be fun to see other people's meteorite related art/prints/objects/paintings/etc.. (besides the rocks themselves) Original or repro. Amateur or professional. I'm curious to see other meteorite related art that may exist that we all may not know about. A local frame shop was running a custom framing sale and I finally had a couple pieces done. Fred Olsen's Ensi-woodcut: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Ensi-Print.jpg One of Svend Buhl's repro-prints (Hessle Meteorites): http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Hessle-Print.jpg I can't believe how expensive custom framing is these days, but they sure look nice on the wall! Even my wife agrees. Eventually, I will have everything framed and sprinkled about the house. Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com IMCA #5765 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] estherville crystals
i got an estherville that has a crystal about 3/8 across w/ a pronounced , highly relfective , (if not perfect) clevage plane. what type of mineral might this be? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Show your meteorite art
Hello Mike and List, I have a page on my website (meteorite art) where I asked kids of all ages to draw what they thought it would look like if they saw a meteorite fall. Some of the kids did a great job. Take Care, Jason Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Show your meteorite art We've seen some amazing meteorite artwork from some fellow collectors. From Fred Olsen's incredible Ensi-woodcut repro to Graham Ensor's original etched Seymchan transfer. Since the list has been slow lately and I thought it might be fun to see other people's meteorite related art/prints/objects/paintings/etc.. (besides the rocks themselves) Original or repro. Amateur or professional. I'm curious to see other meteorite related art that may exist that we all may not know about. A local frame shop was running a custom framing sale and I finally had a couple pieces done. Fred Olsen's Ensi-woodcut: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Ensi-Print.jpg One of Svend Buhl's repro-prints (Hessle Meteorites): http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/Hessle-Print.jpg I can't believe how expensive custom framing is these days, but they sure look nice on the wall! Even my wife agrees. Eventually, I will have everything framed and sprinkled about the house. Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com IMCA #5765 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's
Hello List, Is Murchison the only CM to contain amino acids that are not found on earth? Take Care, Jason Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim time, escape from Tucson inferno!
Well, in about 14 hours, I am off to France and Germany again, seems like it was just yesterday that I was there, the years are flying by faster than a falling meteorite! Zelimir delivered very welcome news to me, I can only dream of 20c/70F temps, as today in Tucson we hit 42c/109 F. It is miserable here. I saw a fossil guy here today who just returned from Morocco, and he said it was cool in the Sahara compared to Tucson right now. I leave tomorrow morning, so when I get up at 6 am, if there are any last minute requests for material for me to bring to the shows, let me know, otherwise, you are out of luck! I have been packing all day and have over 100 kilos of baggage, so it had better be samll or expensive for me to bring at this point. Anyway, I should have limited email over there, but I find France is the most internet-unfriendly place on the planet, you often have to drive 20 or 30 km to find an internet cafe. See everyone there in Friday afternoon. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's
Most of the CM falls have been shown to contain extraterrestrial amino acids. Orgueil and Ivuna also contain extraterrestrial amino acids, but the CM's contain the widest variety and most complex forms. Cheers, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JASON PHILLIPS Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:10 PM To: 'Meteorite Mailing List' Subject: [meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's Hello List, Is Murchison the only CM to contain amino acids that are not found on earth? Take Care, Jason Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's (2)
I just realized that my original answer does not answer your question and does not distinguish between 'extraterrestrial' and 'not-found on earth.' For example: despite being chemically synthesized in space, 17 of the AA's found in Murchison, DO exist on earth. The remainder does not. I cannot find any recent numbers for other CM's like Murray. I'm sure someone else can post that data? Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Bandli Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:20 PM To: 'JASON PHILLIPS'; 'Meteorite Mailing List' Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's Most of the CM falls have been shown to contain extraterrestrial amino acids. Orgueil and Ivuna also contain extraterrestrial amino acids, but the CM's contain the widest variety and most complex forms. Cheers, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JASON PHILLIPS Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:10 PM To: 'Meteorite Mailing List' Subject: [meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's Hello List, Is Murchison the only CM to contain amino acids that are not found on earth? Take Care, Jason Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's
Hi Jason and Mike and CM2 fans, ...and a good example is the Murray CM2 (Kentucky, USA, fall, 1950) meteorite which has many non-canonical amino acids similar to the composition of Murchison. The amino acids occur in the parts per million concentration ranges, and destructive analysis for small samples where volatiles are still retained severely restricts analytical research due to availability. Murchison, thankfully provided a windfall of material and is the most accessible to be studied. Undoubtable other examples in the scientific community from the cold Antarctic are preserved reasonably and could be analyzed as well. Only 14 fresh falls of CM2's have occurred in the last couple of centuries, not giving too much material to go around. Though in the past 50 years analytical techniques have become more sensitive, looking for larger molecules in those concentrations in what is left from their virgin cores is probably still very tricky. Using the magic USGS/MetSoc database as a reference, here they all are with the TKW's and the percent each fall represents of the total TKW's of CM2 falls. Murchison 100.0075.1% Murray 12.609.5% Mighei 8.00 6.0% Cold Bokkeveld 5.20 3.9% Nogoya 4.00 3.0% Boriskino1.34 1.0% Banten 0.63 0.5% Sayama 0.43 0.3% Haripura 0.32 0.2% Pollen 0.25 0.2% Erakot 0.11 0.1% Nawapali 0.11 0.1% Crescent 0.08 0.1% Santa Cruz 0.06 0.0% No wonder we have info on Murchison and Murray ... Best wishes, Doug -Original Message- From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'JASON PHILLIPS' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:19 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's Most of the CM falls have been shown to contain extraterrestrial amino acids. Orgueil and Ivuna also contain extraterrestrial amino acids, but the CM's contain the widest variety and most complex forms. Cheers, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JASON PHILLIPS Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 9:10 PM To: 'Meteorite Mailing List' Subject: [meteorite-list] Murchison vs. other CM's Hello List, Is Murchison the only CM to contain amino acids that are not found on earth? Take Care, Jason Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
