Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008

[Ma Lan]

Dave and list,

Just say: amazing! Regardless of main mass.

Best,
Ma Lan
Beijing China
Web http://www.malanmeteorites.com



--- On Fri, 9/5/08, Dave Gheesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Dave Gheesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 
> 4, 2008
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 9:37 AM
> Michael & All,
> As a "PS" to that last note, I want to defend
> Aziz Habibi, from whom I
> purchased this stone shortly after it was recovered in the
> first batch that
> Mohammed Zeroual acquired not long after the fall.  I have
> no doubt
> whatsoever that this was at least indeed the main mass at
> that time, and not
> even rumors of anything larger surfaced until earlier this
> year.  He did not
> tell me what I wanted to hear by any means, as this was
> simply fact at that
> time.  For those to whom it is important to acquire main
> masses (and there
> are obviously several collectors in this regard, of which I
> am one
> occasionally), there is an inherent and understood risk of
> an early
> acquisition by virtue of the possibility (even probability)
> that larger
> specimens will later be recovered.  It is what it is...
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Michael
> Farmer
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:26 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of
> the Day -September
> 4, 2008
> 
> Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen
> photos of a 70 +
> kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it.
> The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to
> hear in order to
> sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over
> there, have not
> been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for
> meteorites again.
> Incredible stone though.
> Michael Farmer
> 
> 
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> > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September4, 2008

[John.L.Cabassi]

G'Day Dave
That is a really nice piece. I also get puzzled over the "Main Mass". We 
have one here NWA 231 (Provisional), it weighs in at 1048 grams. It's listed 
at 1054 grams, that's a difference of 6 grams. Not enough for a 
classification, so I suppose I should send in 20 grams and get this early 
NWA 231 official.


Cheers
Johnno

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Michael & All,
I have no doubt that this one will be trumped in size on an official basis
at some point, but rumors of a 64 kg stone that never surfaced, photos of 
a

~ 10 kg specimen that broke into pieces on impact and several others I've
heard haven't materialized yet.  "Main mass" is another of those terms 
that
has a bit of an overly broad application, anyway, and I'm with you that 
it's

just a nice complete chondrite if nothing else.  Another angle or two are
shown here: http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Bassikounou.htm.  This
point re: main masses might actually make for an interesting thread here.
My feeling has always been -- given that it really doesn't matter all that
much to start -- that the largest intact mass recovered from a fall (or
surviving slicing, etc.) is the main mass.  But, to provide a recent
example, the 17 kg Chergach which was broken into two pieces on impact has
been officially labeled the main mass over the 14 kg individual, which is
the largest intact mass. Again, it doesn't matter much really, but which 
one
should it be (that is, of course, before photos of a 90 kg Chergach 
specimen

from overseas showing signs of lunar inclusions in the breccia start
circulating across the internet)?  And, for the most part, though 
certainly
not in every case, "main mass" is a bit of an overstatement to say the 
least

for NWA classifications yet they are aggressively marketed in that way all
of the time.  Look forward to some thoughts/comments on this one...could 
be

an interesting topic.
All best, and welcome home, Michael,
Dave

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Day -September

4, 2008

Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen photos of a 70 +
kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it.
The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to hear in order 
to

sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over there, have not
been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for meteorites again.
Incredible stone though.
Michael Farmer


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September 4, 2008
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[meteorite-list] OT: Book Review: Return to the Moon

[drtanuki]

Dear List Members:

The Moon and energy 

Helium-3 information  Book by Harrison H. Schmitt 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008

[Dave Gheesling]

Michael & All,
As a "PS" to that last note, I want to defend Aziz Habibi, from whom I
purchased this stone shortly after it was recovered in the first batch that
Mohammed Zeroual acquired not long after the fall.  I have no doubt
whatsoever that this was at least indeed the main mass at that time, and not
even rumors of anything larger surfaced until earlier this year.  He did not
tell me what I wanted to hear by any means, as this was simply fact at that
time.  For those to whom it is important to acquire main masses (and there
are obviously several collectors in this regard, of which I am one
occasionally), there is an inherent and understood risk of an early
acquisition by virtue of the possibility (even probability) that larger
specimens will later be recovered.  It is what it is...
Dave

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4, 2008

Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen photos of a 70 +
kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it.
The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to hear in order to
sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over there, have not
been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for meteorites again.
Incredible stone though.
Michael Farmer


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> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September 4, 2008

[Dave Gheesling]

Michael & All,
I have no doubt that this one will be trumped in size on an official basis
at some point, but rumors of a 64 kg stone that never surfaced, photos of a
~ 10 kg specimen that broke into pieces on impact and several others I've
heard haven't materialized yet.  "Main mass" is another of those terms that
has a bit of an overly broad application, anyway, and I'm with you that it's
just a nice complete chondrite if nothing else.  Another angle or two are
shown here: http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Bassikounou.htm.  This
point re: main masses might actually make for an interesting thread here.
My feeling has always been -- given that it really doesn't matter all that
much to start -- that the largest intact mass recovered from a fall (or
surviving slicing, etc.) is the main mass.  But, to provide a recent
example, the 17 kg Chergach which was broken into two pieces on impact has
been officially labeled the main mass over the 14 kg individual, which is
the largest intact mass. Again, it doesn't matter much really, but which one
should it be (that is, of course, before photos of a 90 kg Chergach specimen
from overseas showing signs of lunar inclusions in the breccia start
circulating across the internet)?  And, for the most part, though certainly
not in every case, "main mass" is a bit of an overstatement to say the least
for NWA classifications yet they are aggressively marketed in that way all
of the time.  Look forward to some thoughts/comments on this one...could be
an interesting topic.
All best, and welcome home, Michael,
Dave

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4, 2008

Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen photos of a 70 +
kilo complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it.
The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to hear in order to
sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over there, have not
been back in two years, will not likely ever go back for meteorites again.
Incredible stone though.
Michael Farmer


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> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_4_2008.html
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 4, 2008

[Michael Farmer]

Sorry, but not the main mass of Bassikounou, I have seen photos of a 70 + kilo 
complete stone in Morocco, even made an offer on it.
The Moroccans are very good at telling you want you want to hear in order to 
sell you a meteorite. I got tired of the endless BS over there, have not been 
back in two years, will not likely ever go back for meteorites again.
Incredible stone though.
Michael Farmer


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[meteorite-list] FALLING ROCKS signs (ad)

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All,
Had to have a few of these made up for fun:
http://www.fallingrocks.com/logostuff.htm.  Prices basically cover costs and
include S&H across the pale blue dot...
All best,
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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 4, 2008

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[meteorite-list] Spiky Probe on Phoenix Raises Vapor Quandary

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-171

Spiky Probe on NASA Mars Lander Raises Vapor Quandary
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
September 04, 2008

TUCSON, Ariz. -- A fork-like conductivity probe has sensed humidity
rising and falling beside NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander, but when stuck
into the ground, its measurements so far indicate soil that is
thoroughly and perplexingly dry.

"If you have water vapor in the air, every surface exposed to that air
will have water molecules adhere to it that are somewhat mobile, even at
temperatures well below freezing," said Aaron Zent of NASA Ames Research
Center, Moffett Field, Calif., lead scientist for Phoenix's thermal and
electroconductivity probe.

In below-freezing permafrost terrains on Earth, that thin layer of
unfrozen water molecules on soil particles can grow thick enough to
support microbial life. One goal for building the conductivity probe and
sending it to Mars has been to see whether the permafrost terrain of the
Martian arctic has detectable thin films of unfrozen water on soil
particles. By gauging how electricity moves through the soil from one
prong to another, the probe can detect films of water barely more than
one molecule thick.

"Phoenix has other tools to find clues about whether water ice at the
site has melted in the past, such as identifying minerals in the soil
and observing soil particles with microscopes. The conductivity probe is
our main tool for checking for present-day soil moisture," said Phoenix
Project Scientist Leslie Tamppari of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory,
Pasadena, Calif.

Preliminary results from the latest insertion of the probe's four
needles into the ground, on Wednesday and Thursday, match results from
the three similar insertions in the three months since landing.

"All the measurements we've made so far are consistent with extremely
dry soil," Zent said. "There are no indications of thin films of
moisture, and this is puzzling."

Three other sets of observations by Phoenix, in addition to the
terrestrial permafrost analogy, give reasons for expecting to find
thin-film moisture in the soil.

One is the conductivity probe's own measurements of relative humidity
when the probe is held up in the air. "The relative humidity transitions
from near zero to near 100 percent with every day-night cycle, which
suggests there's a lot of moisture moving in and out of the soil," Zent
said.

Another is Phoenix's confirmation of a hard layer containing water-ice
about 5 centimeters (2 inches) or so beneath the surface.

Also, handling the site's soil with the scoop on Phoenix's robotic arm
and observing the disturbed soil show that it has clumping cohesiveness
when first scooped up and that this cohesiveness decreases after the
scooped soil sits exposed to air for a day or two. One possible
explanation for those observations could be thin-film moisture in the
ground.

The Phoenix team is laying plans for a variation on the experiment of
inserting the conductivity probe into the soil. The four successful
insertions so far have all been into an undisturbed soil surface. The
planned variation is to scoop away some soil first, so the inserted
needles will reach closer to the subsurface ice layer.

"There should be some amount of unfrozen water attached to the surface
of soil particles above the ice," Zent said. "It may be too little to
detect, but we haven't inished looking yet."

The thermal and electroconductivity probe, built by Decagon Devices
Inc., Pullman, Wash., is mounted on Phoenix's robotic arm. The probe is
part of the lander's Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity
instrument suite.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith at the University of Arizona
with project management at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena,
Calif., and development partnership at Lockheed Martin in Denver.
International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the
University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and
Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck Institute in Germany; and the Finnish
Meteorological Institute.

For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix or
http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu.



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2008-171

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[meteorite-list] our stone pelted planet

[steve arnold]

Hi list.Does anyone have an extra copy of OUR STONE PELTED PLANET for a 
reasonable cost?Off list please.

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[meteorite-list] Lots of meteorite, asteroid, comet, solar system formation related papere

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.scribd.com/people/documents/1502051/folder/32343
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Re: [meteorite-list] Thank You List Members!

[Melva Garzelloni]

Thank you, Ruben!  The videos are great - always entertaining and
informative.  Isn't it about time for another one. . .?
You did a great job on the article as well.  Keep up the good work.

Melva 

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Hi all,
I just wanted to say thank you for all the emails I've received regarding
the Sky and Telescope article - Oct. 2008 issue - that Geoff and I wrote.

I also wanted to say thanks for over 175,000 views on youtube and 102
subscribers! When I started making videos last July I never thought that in
just over a year I'd have made over 25 meteorite related videos and that
they would have been so well received. 

Thanks again,
 

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[meteorite-list] Seeking photographer of this Willamette.

[Metorman46]

In a message dated 9/4/2008 11:01:44 AM Eastern  Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Seeking  photographer of this Willamette
Hello Jim;I would be the owner of that  picture of the williamette 
meteorite.I couldn't reach you in private.e-mail at  the address below and 
we'll 
converse.

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[meteorite-list] Thank You List Members!

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi all,
I just wanted to say thank you for all the emails I've received regarding the 
Sky and Telescope article - Oct. 2008 issue - that Geoff and I wrote.

I also wanted to say thanks for over 175,000 views on youtube and 102 
subscribers! When I started making videos last July I never thought that in 
just over a year I'd have made over 25 meteorite related videos and that they 
would have been so well received. 

Thanks again,
 

Ruben Garcia
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[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - September 3, 2008

[Ron Baalke]

MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
September 3, 2008

o Evolution of North Polar Dunes
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009233_2535

o Dust Devils Make Their Marks in Gusev Crater 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009319_1650

o Ius Chasma's Floor 
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009368_1720

o Defrosted Margin of the North Polar Erg
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_009396_2590


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.
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[meteorite-list] Rosetta Flyby of Asteroid Steins Press Conference Set for Sept. 6

[Ron Baalke]

http://rosetta.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=43347  

Rosetta fly-by of asteroid Steins: press conference (first results &
images)

European Space Agency
04 Sep 2008

First results and images from Rosetta's fly-by of asteroid Steins will
be presented at a press conference, which will be webcast live, on
Saturday 6 September starting at 12:00 CEST.

A number of presentations will be made during the press conference
covering the Rosetta mission, the challenge of implementing the fly-by,
and the first results and images.

Schedule of presentations for the Rosetta Steins Fly-By Press Conference

Follow this link to view the press conference:
(no special plug-ins are required; the video
will be available shortly before the start of the press conference ).
Start time Presentation Speaker

12:00 Welcome and introduction David Southwood, Director of Science and
Robotic Exploration, ESA
12:10 Rosetta: the status of the mission Gerhard Schwehm, Rosetta
Mission Manager & Head of Solar System Science Operations Division, ESA
12:20 Rosetta and the study of asteroids Rita Schulz, Rosetta Project
Scientist, ESA
12:30 The fly-by of Steins – stretching Rosetta’s limits Andrea
Accomazzo, Rosetta Spacecraft Operations Manager, ESA
12:40 Steins: first images and results Uwe Keller, OSIRIS camera
Principal Investigator, Max Planck Institut für Sonnensystemforschung
12:50 ESA's plans for asteroid and space debris monitoring Gaele
Winters, Director of Operations and Infrastructure, ESA
13:00 Questions & Answers session, followed by interview opportunities
for the media 

The press conference will be held at the premises of the European Space
Operations Centre (ESA-ESOC), Robert-Bosch Strasse 5, 64293 Darmstadt,
Germany


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[meteorite-list] Amateur Astronomers See Perseids Hit the Moon

[Ron Baalke]

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/02sep_lunarperseids.htm

Amateur Astronomers See Perseids Hit the Moon
NASA Science News
09.02.2008

Sept. 2, 2008: There's more than one way to watch a meteor shower.

One, the old-fashioned way: Find a dark place with starry skies and
count the meteors streaking overhead. Two, the new way: Find a dark
place with starry skies and then completely ignore the meteors. Instead,
watch the Moon. That's where the explosions are.

On August 9th, a pair of amateur astronomers on opposite sides of the
United States did it the new way. With the Perseid meteor shower just
underway, they fixed their cameras on the Moon and watched meteoroids
slam into the lunar surface. Silent explosions equivalent to ~100 lbs of
TNT produced flashes of light visible a quarter of a million miles away
on Earth. It was a good night for "lunar Perseids."

"I love watching meteor showers this way," says George Varros, who
recorded this impact from his home in Mt. Airy, Maryland:

The flash, which lit up a nighttime patch of Mare Nubium (the Sea of
Clouds), was a bit dimmer than 7th magnitude--"an easy target for my
8-inch telescope and low-light digital video camera."

Hours later, another Perseid struck, on the western shore of Oceanus
Procellarum (the Ocean of Storms). This time it was Robert Spellman of
Azusa, California, who caught the flash. "It's exciting to witness these
explosions in real time," he says. "I used a 10-inch telescope and an
off-the-shelf Supercircuits video camera."

Rob Suggs of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office has reviewed the data.
"They look real to me," he says. "The flashes appear in multiple video
frames and the light curves are similar to other lunar meteors we've
recorded in the past."

Suggs would know. Along with colleague Bill Cooke, he leads a team at
the Marshall Space Flight Center that has recorded more than 100 lunar
explosions since 2005. "We monitor lunar meteors in support of NASA's
return to the Moon," Suggs says. "The Moon has no atmosphere to protect
the surface, so meteoroids crash right into the ground. Our program aims
to measure how often that happens and answer the question, what are the
risks to astronauts?"

NASA's official lunar meteor observatories are located in Alabama and
Georgia. Both were off-line on August 9th, so the NASA team didn't see
how many Perseids were hitting the Moon that night.

"This shows how amateur astronomers can contribute to our research,"
points out Suggs. "We can't observe the Moon 24-7 from our corner of the
USA. Clouds, sunlight, the phase of the Moon—all these factors limit our
opportunities. A global network of amateur astronomers monitoring the
Moon could, however, approach full coverage."

By day, George Varros is a software engineer at NASA headquarters. After
work, he takes off his NASA badge, goes home and fires up his
self-described "barely adequate" telescope. "Until a few years ago, I
really didn't like the Moon because it interfered with my observations
of comets and meteors. Then, in 1999 during the Leonid meteor storm,
(fellow amateur astronomer) David Dunham photographed six lunar impact
events from my backyard in Maryland," Varros recalls. "I was hooked."

Dunham's observations inspired not only Varros, but also NASA. "Our own
observing program can be traced back to those early amateur observations
of lunar Leonids," says Suggs.

A major advance in lunar meteor detection came in 2006 in the form of
LunarScan, a computer program written by amateur astronomer Pete Gural
that searches digital video of the Moon for split-second flashes. Using
LunarScan, Varros has bagged at least a dozen lunar meteors. Three of
them were observed simultaneously by the NASA team in Alabama,
confirming the fidelity of Varros' techniques. (LunarScan may be freely
downloaded from Varros' web site ; NASA uses the
program, too!)

Like Varros, Robert Spellman's interest in lunar meteors began with the
Leonids of 1999. "I read about the success of amateurs recording impact
flashes," he recalls. "I've been in love with the Moon since my first
observation when I was five years old, and I wanted to conduct an
observing program with scientific value. Lunar meteors were a natural."

Spellman's day job is at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles and
the La Brea tar pits where he works as an educator. He also conducts
public astronomy programs three nights a week at the Griffith
Observatory. The rest of his evenings he devotes to the Moon.

Spellman uses no special software to catch his impacts. "I look for the
flashes in real time," he says. "Although it may sound tedious to stare
at a blank screen for hours on end, the prospect of seeing an explosion
keeps me alert. In future, I do plan to use LunarScan to increase my
success rate."

Suggs hopes other amateurs will take up this hobby, not only to improve
NASA's lunar impact statistics, but also to support the agency's LCROSS
mission: In 2009, the Lunar CRa

[meteorite-list] willamette link corrected

[jim_brady611]

correct link needs that full stop taken of the end of jpg.

so.http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com/images/willamette.jpg

thank you


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[meteorite-list] Seeking photographer of this Willamette picture in Natural History Museum in N.Y

[jim_brady611]

Greetings listees
   I've searched thru the archives and can't locate the 
photographer of this Willamette picture that was linked to within the 
past year.This is sitting on my website now just for this search 
purpose

http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com/images/willamette.jpg.

Could the owner please drop me an email,thank you very much.
Jim Brady


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[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on saturday

[Meteoriteshow]

Dear fellow listees,

After more than a year away from ebay, meteoriteshow is back.
Some of you have already seen the first week's auctions that are porposed 
but most of you haven't. Therefore i wish to let you have the list of

meteorites that could come and enrich your collection:

The link to reach the whole items listed is:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshow

Here are now the details:

1/ METEORITE: DAG 573 L4 - 6.7g part. endcut : This is a nice piece of a L4 
found on Dar Al Gani, with fusion crust and smoothly polished cut surfaces.

Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-DAG-573-L4-6-7g-part-endcut_W0QQitemZ330263546288QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2/ METEORITE: HaH299 H6 - 2.0g endpiece : This is a nice piece of an H6 ound 
on Hamada al Hamra, with fusion crust and smoothly polished cut surface.

Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-HaH299-H6-2-0g-endpiece_W0QQitemZ330263546366QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

3/ METEORITE: NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 53.8g indiv : This is a complete 
unclassified OC with fusion crust that was purchased in Erfoud in May 2008.

Quite fresh!
Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-53-8g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330263546494QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

4/ METEORITE: ORIENTED NWA OC - FUSION CRUST - 39.4g indiv  : This is a 
complete unclassified OC with fusion crust that was purchased in Erfoud in 
May 2008. Quite fresh!

Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-ORIENTED-NWA-OC-FUSION-CRUST-39-4g-indiv_W0QQitemZ330263546632QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

5/ METEORITE: NWA XXX - 0.4g Partslice - HOWARDITE : This is a partslice of 
an Howardite that was purchased in Erfoud in May 2008. It is currently being 
examined for classification and the first reaction when the specimen for 
analyses was received was that it is a beautiful and very fresh Howardite. 
Of course, all details about classification will be forwarded as soon as 
available, as well as official name.

Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-NWA-XXX-0-4g-Partslice-HOWARDITE_W0QQitemZ330263546540QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

6/ METEORITE: SAH 02500 L3 - 80.4g fragment : This is a fragment of Sahara 
02500, a beautiful L3 with fusion crust that was found in the Sahara.

Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-SAH-02500-L3-80-4g-fragment_W0QQitemZ330263546707QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

7/ METEORITE: SAH 02501 EUC - 1.9g partslice : This is a partslice of a rare 
type of Eucrite (see description).

Link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-SAH-02501-EUC-1-9g-partslice_W0QQitemZ330263546845QQihZ014QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I do not provide more details about these meteorites in that post as you 
will find all necessary information in the announcements. Fom now on, 
meteoriteshow will propose again meteorites every weeks on ebay and i hope 
that you will find the choice large enough. I am currently based in Accra, 
Ghana, but the meteorites are still being shipped from France, where they 
are all located. So do not worry about shipment's safety, which will remain 
the same as usual.
Just to give a short explanation about my presence in Ghana, i have decided 
to go back to this West African country where i had spent 2 years as a 
French volunteer, teaching mechanical engineering. This was my very first 
contact with the African continent and my whole life got oriented by this 
fantastic experience. Therefore i always wanted to come back here and set up 
a tour agency in order to give a chance to other people to discover this 
country.
The tour egency is now set up and named ABACAR Ltd. and i am planning to 
organize a tour focused on the Bosumtwi crater. Should this appear to be a 
good idea to some of you, you can e-mail me any comment to my e-mail 
address, so that i can do it the best way as possible.
Setting up a business in Africa is not an easy challenge and it takes a lot 
of time, this is why i have not been very active with meteorites all those 
past months. But i must admit that i am a meteorites' adict and now on my 
way back!


Just one last information (sorry if it is not directly meteorites' 
oriented); there is a website about my tour agency, that can be seen at 
www.abacar-tours.com. It is not completely finished but will already give 
some first idea of the place where i now live, to those of you who are 
interested.


Thanks for checking my auctions on ebay and for bidding of course!!!

Best wishes to all of you,

Frederic Beroud
www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA #2491 


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[meteorite-list] All meteorite books and magazines are shipped!

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi folks!

I ran an ad last week offering several meteorite books, magazines, and
journals.  Some of you on the list purchased these materials.  And before
I could get them shipped, Hurricane Gustav forced us to evacuate to Tampa
from Houma.

I just wanted to let everyone know that I mailed the packages yesterday
via Priority Mail.  This includes Svend's packages and other international
packages to Canada, Germany and beyond.  Rest assured, if you are waiting
on a package from me - it is on the way, a little late, but it's on the way. :)

I would like to thank everyone for their kindness and patience in this
matter.

Regards,

MikeG

PS - I evacuated my entire collection and inventory with me. ;)

.
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
..



  
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