[meteorite-list] Meteorite video (probably)

[Darren Garrison]

This site seems to have video showing the new Canadian meteorite find.  I can't
get it to play in Firefox 3, it plays the damn commercial with the meerkats and
the Rube Goldberg device over and over, but never the meteorite video.  But you
can try your luck on the link.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Alberta/2008/11/28/7571236.html

Looked for the video on Youtube, but all I found was an insane guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VClt5fGXFlo
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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 3, 2008

[Michael Johnson]

http://rocksfromspace.org/December_3_2008.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] no pairings of the sikote-alin meteorite

[Jerry Flaherty]

Thanks Uwe, parent body reference is always an interesting aside if not the 
very essence of serious collectors.

Jerry
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] no pairings of the sikote-alin meteorite


Hello Steve, hello list
my scientific researches point out that there could be a pairing
between the Sikhote-Alin and the Veevers.
Both have a lot of paired characteristics in petrology and chemistry.
Apparently are both fragments of a mutual parent body.
This body was destroyed in cyclopean collision which split even the
core.
The low Ir content shows that both meteorites are fragments of an outer
area of the Ni-Fe core.
The main commonalities are

Name:  Ir [ppm]Group kind   Ni(%)
Veever:  0,0280 IIABOgg   5,80
Sikhote-Alin:0,0300 IIABOgg   5,90

Regards Uwe

-Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-
Von: steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Di., 2. Dez. 2008, 15:44
Thema: [meteorite-list] no pairings of the sikote-alin meteorite



Good morning list.It just has to be a mess with all these nwa pairings
with
these brachinite's.Well a good thing for me.I do not have any brach's
in my
collection,only sikote-alin's here.So no pairings will ever be a hassle
for this
greatest of falls.I have to take this back.I do have a piece of eagle's
nest,a
small fragment,but still small.But the sikote-alin meteorite is by far
the best
of all the non rusting irons.I do have one small question.I have a few
pieces
that shows lite bubbling.What would tend to cause that?
0A
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[meteorite-list] New Canadian Meteorite (Not the Fall!)

[tett]

List,



Not too much has been mentioned about the new Canadian iron to be found as 
most of the press has been given to the new fall in Lloydminster Sask..




Instead of driving from Edmonton two hours east to Saskatchewan you can 
drive about the same west to Whitecourt Alberta and see a newly discovered 
crater with lots of iron meteorites.  It is now protected to help preserve 
the small crater which is too bad for meteorite hunters.  Hopefully some 
science will be gained at the cost of keeping us out from gobbling up some 
nice irons.  Apparently there are lots of Sikhote like irons to be found. 
Friends from the University of Western Ontario were out to Whitecourt last 
month and retrieved lots of material.




A very exciting find because the crater is so very young and in great shape.



An exciting time for Canadian meteorite enthusiasts.



Here is more info: http://easweb.eas.ualberta.ca/page/108



Cheers!



Mike Tettenborn

One anxious Canadian meteorite enthusiast waiting for his piece of 
Lloydminster


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[meteorite-list] Riker Storage Case? Need Help

[Mike%20Bandli]

If anyone is aware of a storage or transport case specifically designed to hold 
or organize lots of Riker-style mounts, please email me off-list.

Thank you!
Mike Bandli
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[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Name Update

[Adam Hupe]

Dear List Members,

Just a quick note to let collectors know I have a new eBay name.  The old name 
raremeteorites has been changed to raremeteorites! with an explanation mark (!) 
at the end.  I had to change it due to eBay's policy about having the same name 
as your email address. Those of you who monitor my auctions, please update your 
bookmark.

I will be loading up some great inventory in the upcoming weeks as I unpack it.

Hopefully the link below will work.  If not, I will try another one.

Click below to see some great auctions:
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, the best of luck.

Best Regards,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies

[Chris Peterson]

Tagasaurus is simple malware. It has no way to install itself on a properly 
configured system. You need to download and run something carrying it. In 
this respect it is no different from most other malware. Doubleclick and 
Mediaplex do not download executable code to your computer. All they do is 
set tracking cookies that are used to analyze your traffic patterns. They 
are harmless, but you may nevertheless consider them a violation of privacy. 
If so, it is trivial in any browser to either block those cookies, or 
convert them to session cookies.


There is a big difference between setting a cookie and downloading some kind 
of monitoring software! If eBay were actually doing the latter, it would be 
all over the news.


Chris

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- Original Message - 
From: "harlan trammell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies



hitbox, tagasaurus, doubleclick, mediaplex, etc. ALL with AUTOMATICALLY 
UPLOAD themselves w/o your consent. they will reside in your unit until you 
discover+delete them.


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[meteorite-list] Art, Please contact me

[David & Kitt Deyarmin]

I don't know how to contact Art and I have a question for him so I hope he 
sees this 


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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies

[Chris Peterson]

Serious security holes are increasingly rare, and increasingly being fixed 
before exploits appear. They don't represent a very big threat for people 
who keep their systems up-to-date and exercise a bit of common sense. In the 
context of this discussion, I am doubtful in the extreme that eBay is 
exploiting an unknown security hole to download software to their users' 
computers.


Chris

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- Original Message - 
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies



On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:50:00 -0700, you wrote:


There is no mechanism on a properly configured browser for a website to
download software to your computer without your active consent.


There is not an OS or browser avaiable that does not have security holes. 
Not
only that, but there are multiple other applications that can be used to 
infect
your system.  Some known, but the ones you have to worry about are the 
ones that

aren't known yet.  You have a false sense of security.

News from today:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/240255/apple-recommends-security-software-for-mac-owners.html

from a week back:

http://goodgearguide.com.au/article/268492

from a month back:

http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=6715

others:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1733

Jpegs?  Not always safe.

http://www.secureworks.com/research/threats/jpegvirus/

Video?  Not always safe.

http://ask-leo.com/can_i_get_a_virus_or_spyware_from_a_free_video_download.html

Just because YOU can't imagine a way to get a virus/trojan/spyware into 
your

computer doesn't mean that someone else can't imagine a way to get a
virus/trojan/spyware into your computer.


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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:50:00 -0700, you wrote:

>There is no mechanism on a properly configured browser for a website to 
>download software to your computer without your active consent. 

There is not an OS or browser avaiable that does not have security holes.  Not
only that, but there are multiple other applications that can be used to infect
your system.  Some known, but the ones you have to worry about are the ones that
aren't known yet.  You have a false sense of security.

News from today:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/240255/apple-recommends-security-software-for-mac-owners.html

from a week back:

http://goodgearguide.com.au/article/268492

from a month back:

http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=6715

others:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1733

Jpegs?  Not always safe.

http://www.secureworks.com/research/threats/jpegvirus/

Video?  Not always safe.

http://ask-leo.com/can_i_get_a_virus_or_spyware_from_a_free_video_download.html

Just because YOU can't imagine a way to get a virus/trojan/spyware into your
computer doesn't mean that someone else can't imagine a way to get a
virus/trojan/spyware into your computer.
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Re: [meteorite-list] no pairings of the sikote-alin meteorite

[m42protosun]

Hello Steve, hello list
my scientific researches point out that there could be a pairing 
between the Sikhote-Alin and the Veevers.

Both have a lot of paired characteristics in petrology and chemistry.
Apparently are both fragments of a mutual parent body.
This body was destroyed in cyclopean collision which split even the 
core.
The low Ir content shows that both meteorites are fragments of an outer 
area of the Ni-Fe core.

The main commonalities are

Name:  Ir [ppm]Group kind   Ni(%)
Veever:  0,0280 IIABOgg   5,80
Sikhote-Alin:0,0300 IIABOgg   5,90

Regards Uwe

-Ursprüngliche Mitteilung-
Von: steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Verschickt: Di., 2. Dez. 2008, 15:44
Thema: [meteorite-list] no pairings of the sikote-alin meteorite



Good morning list.It just has to be a mess with all these nwa pairings 
with
these brachinite's.Well a good thing for me.I do not have any brach's 
in my
collection,only sikote-alin's here.So no pairings will ever be a hassle 
for this
greatest of falls.I have to take this back.I do have a piece of eagle's 
nest,a
small fragment,but still small.But the sikote-alin meteorite is by far 
the best
of all the non rusting irons.I do have one small question.I have a few 
pieces

that shows lite bubbling.What would tend to cause that?
0A
Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/



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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies

[Chris Peterson]

There is no mechanism on a properly configured browser for a website to 
download software to your computer without your active consent. If you are 
using Internet Explorer (why would you?) it is possible to override the 
default setting and allow websites to quietly load ActiveX applications. But 
if you have your browser configured that way, eBay should be the least of 
your worries!


Of course eBay uses cookies. Nearly every site does, and in the case of eBay 
they are essential to proper operation. If you are paranoid, you can always 
tell your browser to treat any eBay cookie as "session only", meaning 
they'll get automatically deleted when you shut down.


Chris

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- Original Message - 
From: "mckinney trammell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: ; "Greg Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies


wow. www.safernetworking.com for spybot S&D free downloads. just ran it, 
though AFTER ebay use and "no immed." threats found"?



--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:24 PM
Dear List Members,

I was just cruising around eBay for about five minutes and
my Internet Explorer popped up a message reading:
"To help protect your security, Internet Explorer
blocked this site from downloading files to your computer.
Click here for options..."

This pretty much confirms what I and others have said at
the beginning of this thread, eBay IS downloading Spyware
and Cookies on our computers. Looks like eBay wants to
become Big Brother as well as a monopoly!!

Be sure to run your Spyware and other software programs to
rid your computers of their junk!

Best regards,
Greg


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Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Meteorite Composition?

[Chris Peterson]

The initial assessment from Hildebrand's group at the University of Calgary 
is an ordinary chondrite, type 5 or 6.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Groetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Canadian Meteorite Composition?


  The Statten Island news paper included this comment within their 
article:


  "While it's not yet known what kind of meteorite this one was, the 
fragments appear to be made of iron."


  Has anyone heard yet from the universities as to a preliminary 
composition?


Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies

[mckinney trammell]

wow. www.safernetworking.com for spybot S&D free downloads. just ran it, though 
AFTER ebay use and "no immed." threats found"?


--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 3:24 PM
> Dear List Members,
> 
> I was just cruising around eBay for about five minutes and
> my Internet Explorer popped up a message reading:
> "To help protect your security, Internet Explorer
> blocked this site from downloading files to your computer.
> Click here for options..."
> 
> This pretty much confirms what I and others have said at
> the beginning of this thread, eBay IS downloading Spyware
> and Cookies on our computers. Looks like eBay wants to
> become Big Brother as well as a monopoly!!
> 
> Be sure to run your Spyware and other software programs to
> rid your computers of their junk!
> 
> Best regards,
> Greg
> 
> 
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> 
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> 
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] eBay's Spyware and Cookies

[Greg Hupe]

Dear List Members,

I was just cruising around eBay for about five minutes and my Internet 
Explorer popped up a message reading:
"To help protect your security, Internet Explorer blocked this site from 
downloading files to your computer. Click here for options..."


This pretty much confirms what I and others have said at the beginning of 
this thread, eBay IS downloading Spyware and Cookies on our computers. Looks 
like eBay wants to become Big Brother as well as a monopoly!!


Be sure to run your Spyware and other software programs to rid your 
computers of their junk!


Best regards,
Greg


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[meteorite-list] Canadian Meteorite Composition?

[Mike Groetz]

   The Statten Island news paper included this comment within their article:

   "While it's not yet known what kind of meteorite this one was, the fragments 
appear to be made of iron."

   Has anyone heard yet from the universities as to a preliminary composition? 

Mike


  
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[meteorite-list] A New Compositional Class of Comets: from Fire, Ice, or Beyond?

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.lowell.edu/media/releases.php?release=20081202

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
December 2, 2008

A New Compositional Class of Comets: from Fire, Ice, or Beyond?
Lowell Observatory Astronomer Confirms New Class of Comets

Flagstaff, Ariz. -- Comet 96P/Machholz 1 shows extremely anomalous
compositional characteristics helping pinpoint its origin to one of
three intriguing scenarios. David Schleicher, Lowell Observatory
planetary astronomer, measured abundances of five molecular species in
the comae of 150 comets and discovered that one comet, 96P/Machholz 1,
has an extremely unusual chemistry. The exact cause of this chemical
anomaly remains unknown, but each of three possible explanations will
yield important but differing new constraints on the formation or
evolution of comets. The study is published in the November issue of the
Astronomical Journal.

The discovery of comet Machholz 1's extremely anomalous composition
reveals the existence of a new class of comets. Astronomers identified
two other classes in the 1990s. While Machholz 1 also has strongly
depleted C2 and C3 carbon species, what makes it anomalous is that the
molecule cyanogen, CN, is extremely depleted. In Machholz 1 CN is
missing by about a factor of 72 from the average of other comets, i.e.,
only a little above one percent of normal. "This depletion of CN is much
more than ever seen for any previously studied comet, and only one other
comet has even exhibited a CN depletion," said Schleicher.

One possible explanation is that Machholz 1 did not originate in our
Solar System, but instead escaped from another star. In this scenario,
the other star's proto-planetary disk might have had a lower abundance
of carbon, resulting in all carbon-bearing compounds having lower
abundances. "A large fraction of comets in our own Solar System have
escaped into interstellar space, so we expect that many comets formed
around other stars would also have escaped," said Schleicher. "Some of
these will have crossed paths with the sun, and Machholz 1 could be an
interstellar interloper."

Another possible explanation for Machholz 1's anomalous composition is
that it formed even further from the sun in a colder or more extreme
environment than another other comet we have studied thus far. If this
was the case, then the scarcity of such objects is likely associated
with the significant difficulty of explaining how such comets moved into
the inner solar system where they can then be discovered and observed.

A third possibility is that Machholz 1 originated as a carbon-chain
depleted comet but that its chemistry was subsequently altered by
extreme heat. While no other comet has exhibited changes in chemistry
due to subsequent heating by the sun, Machholz 1 has the distinction of
having an orbit that now takes it to well inside Mercury's orbit every
five years. (Other comets get even closer to the sun, but not as often).
"Since its orbit is unusual, we must be suspicious that repeated high
temperature cooking might be the cause for its unusual composition,"
said Schleicher. "However, the only other comet to show depletion in the
abundance of CN did not reach such high temperatures. This implies that
CN depletion does not require the chemical reactions associated with
extreme heat."

Although comet 96P/Machholz 1 was first sighted in 1986 and orbits the
sun with a period of slightly over five years, compositional
measurements only took place during the comet's recent 2007 apparition.
Lowell Observatory's program of compositional studies, currently headed
by Schleicher, includes measurements of over 150 comets obtained during
the past 33 years. This research is unique because it compares and
contrasts Machholz 1 against this large database of 150 comets.

In the early 1990s, Lowell Observatory's long-term program first
identified the existence of two compositional classes of comets. One
class, containing the majority of observed comets, has a composition
called "typical." Most members of this typical class have long resided
in the Oort Cloud at the very fringes of our Solar System but are
believed to have originally formed amidst the giant planets,
particularly between Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Other members of this
compositional class arrived from the Kuiper Belt, located just beyond
Neptune.

The second compositional class of comets has varying depletions in two
of the five chemical species measured. Since both depleted molecules, C2
and C3, are wholly composed of carbon atoms, this class was named
"carbon-chain depleted." Moreover, nearly all comets in this second
class have orbits consistent with their having arrived from the Kuiper
Belt. For this and other reasons, the cause of the depletion is believed
to be associated with the conditions that existed when the comets
formed, perhaps within an outer, colder region of the Kuiper Belt.

Comets ar

Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Issues

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:40:11 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

>they are screwing the customer+ themselves out fo existance with hi 
>fees=bottom line. yea, the betamax, vhs, pacer and commodore c-64 were all 
>great in their times.
>
>

You know what Betamax, VHS, the Pacer and the Commodore 64 all had?  Viable
competition. 

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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Issues

[mckinney trammell]

they are screwing the customer+ themselves out fo existance with hi fees=bottom 
line. yea, the betamax, vhs, pacer and commodore c-64 were all great in their 
times.


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> From: JoshuaTreeMuseum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay Issues
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 11:46 AM
> Hi Brian, McKinney, Listoids:
> 
> eBay, like rock & roll, will never die.  It's the
> greatest platform for buying and selling meteorites the
> world has ever seen.  Everything else too. Before eBay,
> where could the Average Joe go to buy his stones?  After
> eBay buys Craigslist, (it already owns all the European
> Craigslist sites and is a major owner of Cl) it will become
> the final vestige of the free enterprise system, (along with
> Wal-Mart.)  eBay has always had bugs, like when it sputters
> when you're listing and you have to redo the auction.  I
> use eBay heavily daily and I haven't seen the slowdown
> others are talking about. Maybe it's increased usage for
> the holiday season overloading and bottlenecking the
> bandwith?  eBay has been sort of screwing the sellers
> lately, but they'll come around and realize who it is
> that's giving them all that money!  Just my plug
> nickel's worth!
> 
> Phil Whitmer
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> Lakeville, IN 
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Re: [meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites

[Zelimir Gabelica]

Dear Ted,

Many thanks for the link.
The paper by Rumble et al. (you included) is very instructive and (if I 
understood well), although not conclusive regarding the BRA parent body 
(unique or not), at least it throws much more light on the other properties 
that are different (but not necessarily oxygen isotopic data), for at least 
the 4 brachinites cited (NWA 4872, 4874, 4882 and 4969), concluding that 
they are (possibly ? probably?) not paired.


On the other hand, pairing of NWA 5199 and 3151 was suggested (Met. Bull. 
database).


As for NWA 595, it also seems to be a unique and different meteorite (do I 
conclude correctly by saying that it might even not be a brachinite since 
it is related, at least taking into account the 17O data, to Zag(b) and NWA 
4042 (respectively "Acungr"  and "BRA" (Met. Bull), although data for the 
latter might have been updated since ?)
My question is here very similar to the conclusion Steve Arnold #1 sent 
realier today to the list as post.


At least I am aware that the BRA-type meteorites evoqued here are still 
puzzling and not evident to identify unambigously.


I also read with great attention the dozen or so other papers you mentioned 
in the link, related to other classifications and all of them are indeed 
very informative, even if sometimes not fully conclusive (which is what we 
so often must conclude from scientific research).


Again, as for Steve Arnold, my questions here basically originate from a 
collector's point of view, meaning that we are also concerned with 
meteorite accurate types and their belonging (or not) to group(let)s.

In other words, with their as accurate as possible classification.
This does not mean that we don' appreciate the important science and 
research that is behind, without which not any classification could be 
proposed.


Thanks again,

All the best to all,

Zelimir


A 08:09 02/12/2008 -0700, Ted Bunch a écrit :

Dear Zelimir please see below for at least one answer.

Ted Bunch


On 12/2/08 7:20 AM, "Zelimir Gabelica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
>
> I fully agree.
>
> To be complete, here is what I have in my archives:
>
> ..."NWA 4969 (BRA, Algeria, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) from Marcin, is paired 
with NWA
> 4882 (Algeria, from Hupé's, BRA, tkw = 2@ 3096 g), but apparently not with
> NWA 3151 (BRA, Hupé's, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] grams), nor with NWXA 5191 
([EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
>
> With  the new NWA 5471 from Heir's, this indeed makes 4 brachinites from
> the "NWA" vast strewnfield.
>
> However, in Met. Bull. database, we find the following brachinites from
> "NWA", this better completing the picture:
>
> NWA 595 (Cottingham, Morocco (?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
> NWA 3151 (Hupé's, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
> NWA 4872 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
> NWA 4874 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) (can it be paired with NWA 
4872 above
> ???) NO, please go to 
http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/index.html, 
click on BRACHINITES and see for yourself.



> NWA 4876 (anonymous, NWA ( Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
> NWA 4882 (G. Hupé, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
> NWA 4969 (M. Cimala, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
> NWA 5191 (anonymous, found in Morocco desert, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said to be 
paired
> with NWA 3151, thus suggesting this latter was also found in Morocco
>
> NWA 5471 (C. Heir's, Morocco (??), 1 (??)@538 g, paired with  (not yet
> in Met. Bull.)
> --
> Total: not copunting pairings, we find 9 different meteorite names (NWA
> numbers), probably 10 separate pieces, totalling 8694,5 grams
>
> Question: How far are these data (Met Bulll database + NWA 5471) correct
> and complete ?
>
> Who can complete, possibly remove the ???'s and add comments about
> pairings, so that we all can update our archives regarding NWA brachinites?
>
> Bernd? Greg ? Marcin ? Martin ? or Jeff ?
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
> Zelimir


Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Université de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15

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[meteorite-list] NWA 3151 Brachinite Greg's thin section

[STARSANDSCOPES]

Hi Dirk and List,  I am not up to speed on  the latest pairings or the going 
price for each.  I respect a quality thin  section and this NWA 3151 
Brachinite thin section just that.  

Even  if it is terrestrial basalt, a good thin section is a joy and believe 
me, even a  Lunar thin is a disappointment if prepared poorly. (I have a few).  
  Most people do not have the contacts to get a fine thin section prepared  
regardless of how much material they may have.

My passion is high  magnification meteorite micrographs.  I like to think it 
is more art than  science since I am working with magnification far greater 
than what would be  used in classification determinations.  Some times the 
structures I see are  breath taking and not at all visible in standard methods. 
 My 
high  magnifications require great thin sections.

My next Meteorite Times  article is on this slide so I don't want to get in 
the way of Meteorite Times  viewings by sharing all the shots.  MT will be 
posted in just a few days  but in the mean time, if any one wants one I will 
send 
one full size 8mp image  as an attachment,  The image is taken at a 
magnification of approximately  400X with a field of view of 0.25 mm.  Very 
cool 
structure in this  image.  Hopefully it will make you want to see the rest.  
(especially  the shots by Bernd  Pauli.

Tom Phillips

In a message dated  12/1/2008 5:38:20 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
Hello Tom and List,
I would suggest that you check out the  fantastic NWA 5471 brachinite that 
Martin and Stefan are selling for a VERY  REASONABLE price; more than 2 grams 
of 
the material instead of a thin section  (you can make your own thin sections- 
several).

Thank you Martin  and Stefan for your very generous price for such a rare 
classification.   

Dirk  Ross...Tokyo
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Olivine  Diogenite - NWA 4223 - AD
> To:  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008,  9:23 AM
> Hi list members,  For those who are interested in  thin
> sections.   Greg has 
> been kind enough to  (previously) lend me the NWA 3151
> Brachinite  that he has 
>  for sale.  My micrograph article in Meteorite Times 
> December is on  this thin 
> section.
> 
> I felt obliged to say it is a  wonderful  sample prepared
> splendidly!  I 
> worked with  it up to a magnification of 760X  with great
> results.  If you  are 
> thinking of adding a thin to your  collection, I would
>  recommend this one and check 
> out the article.  Bernd  Pauli  has provided me with three
> excellent wide 
> field cross polarized  light  micrographs that are also
> included.
> 
> Tom  Phillips
> 
> In a message dated 12/1/2008 4:36:02 P.M. Mountain  
> Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Dear List  Members,
> 
> It is my  pleasure to announce a NEW Olivine  Diogenite, NWA
> 4223, the third 
> member of  this exclusive  group. It took me three years to
> get to this point 
> of  first  public offering so you know the science has been
> done! It  has a TKW 
> of just  329 grams and is very course-grained. I  managed
> through eBay's site, 
> so you  can find all of the  available material and
> "Official" classification 
> of NWA   4223 with the "Buy it Now" feature here: 
> 
>  http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
> 
> In addition to  these  rare specimens, I have also listed
> these, most at 
>  reduced prices for the  holidays:
> NWA 1878 Mesosiderite (Fantastic  etch!)
> NWA 1879  Mesosiderite
> NWA 2932 Mesosiderite
>  NWA 869 L4-6 1kg Lot
> NWA 3118 CV3  100g Lot
> NWA 3151  Brachinite Thin Section
> NWA 4528 H5 500g  Lot
> Unclassified  2kg Lot
> Chergach Individual 92.1g (99%  crusted)
> Chergach  Individual 64.1g (100% crusted)
> Gao Individual 154g  (from Haag  Collection)
> Glorieta Pallasite Individual 13.7g
>  Muonionalusta  End Cut 76.9g (starts at just 99 cents)
> 
>  Thank you for checking out what I  have to offer, I
> appreciate  it!
> 
> Best  regards,
> Greg
> 
>  
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[meteorite-list] NASA Finishes Listening for Phoenix Mars Lander

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/release.php?ArticleID=1964

NASA Finishes Listening for Phoenix Mars Lander
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
December 01, 2008

PASADENA, Calif. -- After nearly a month of daily checks to determine
whether Martian NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander would be able to communicate
again, the agency has stopped using its Mars orbiters to hail the lander
and listen for its beep.

As expected, reduced daily sunshine eventually left the solar-powered
Phoenix craft without enough energy to keep its batteries charged.

The final communication from Phoenix remains a brief signal received via
NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter on Nov. 2. The Phoenix lander operated for
two overtime months after achieving its science goals during its
original three-month mission. It landed on a Martian arctic plain on May
25.

"The variability of the Martian weather was a contributing factor to our
loss of communications, and we were hoping that another variation in
weather might give us an opportunity to contact the lander again," said
Phoenix Mission Manager Chris Lewicki of NASA's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

The end of efforts to listen for Phoenix with Odyssey and NASA's Mars
Reconnaissance Orbiter had been planned for the start of solar
conjunction, when communications between Earth and Mars-orbiting
spacecraft are minimized for a few weeks. That period, when the sun is
close to the line between Earth and Mars, has begun and will last until
mid-December.

The last attempt to listen for a signal from Phoenix was when Odyssey
passed overhead at 3:49 p.m. PST Saturday, Nov. 29 (4:26 p.m. local Mars
solar time on the 182nd Martian day, or sol, since Phoenix landed). Nov.
29 was selected weeks ago as the final date for relay monitoring of
Phoenix because it provided several weeks to the chance to confirm the
fate of the lander, and it coincided with the beginning of solar
conjunction operations for the orbiters. When they come out of the
conjunction period, weather on far-northern Mars will be far colder, and
the declining sunshine will have ruled out any chance of hearing from
Phoenix.

The Phoenix mission is led by Peter Smith of the University of Arizona,
Tucson, with project management at JPL and development partnership at
Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions come from the
Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the
universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus in Denmark; the Max Planck
Institute in Germany; the Finnish Meteorological Institute; and Imperial
College, London. The California Institute of Technology in Pasadena
manages JPL for NASA.

Media contact: Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

2008-223

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[meteorite-list] eBay Issues

[JoshuaTreeMuseum]

Hi Brian, McKinney, Listoids:

eBay, like rock & roll, will never die.  It's the greatest platform for 
buying and selling meteorites the world has ever seen.  Everything else too. 
Before eBay, where could the Average Joe go to buy his stones?  After eBay 
buys Craigslist, (it already owns all the European Craigslist sites and is a 
major owner of Cl) it will become the final vestige of the free enterprise 
system, (along with Wal-Mart.)  eBay has always had bugs, like when it 
sputters when you're listing and you have to redo the auction.  I use eBay 
heavily daily and I haven't seen the slowdown others are talking about. 
Maybe it's increased usage for the holiday season overloading and 
bottlenecking the bandwith?  eBay has been sort of screwing the sellers 
lately, but they'll come around and realize who it is that's giving them all 
that money!  Just my plug nickel's worth!


Phil Whitmer
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Lakeville, IN 


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[meteorite-list] Unique Achondrites

[MeteorHntr]

Hey Guys,

Speaking of Ungrouped  Achondrites, is there a nice comprehensive list of 
Unique or ungrouped  achondrites?   

Is there a list of "less than 5 member grouped"  (or potentially future 
grouped) achondrites or chondrites for that  matter?

I was thinking that Coolidge was a carbonaceous chondrite in a  grouplet of 
4, waiting for the 5th to show up to give it it's own official and  named group 
within the Carbonaceous Chondrite Class.  What are the others  that may not 
be unique but not yet officially grouped yet?

If becoming  grouped actually helps the value of a meteorite go up, should we 
expect Coolidge  to spike in value soon?  

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Re: [meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites

[MeteorHntr]

Greg, and List,

So, does this place NWA  595 in another group (grouplet) or would it be 
totally unique and anomalous,  being the only representative known from it's 
parent 
body (so  far)?

Looking at anomalous irons, we see a list of MANY such  meteorites.  In fact, 
being "anomalous" or "unique" seems, from the  collector point of view as 
less significant than if a rock is "grouped" with at  least 4 other similar 
falls 
into an officially named group.

It would be  impossible for a collector to collect one of every group AND one 
of every  anomalous meteorite.  So is this the logic behind a prejudice 
against  non-grouped meteorites with collectors?  

If RARITY was a key factor  in values, wouldn't now NWA 595 spike very high 
in value above what it was when  it was thought to be a Brachinite?  It is now 
unique.  It is now not  one of 10 other Brachintes, but it is now 1 of 1 known 
of an extremely low TKW  from a different parent body.

Is NWA 595 now LESS valuable to science  since it is not grouped with 
Brachinites?

I would think it is now MORE  valuable to science. 

So, should it become more valuable collectors as  well?

OK, I can kind of see the lack of increased commercial values with  anomalous 
irons, in that science isn't doing as much research with irons as with  
achondrites.  And with no thin sections of irons, it is very hard to see or  
appreciate unique features that make ungrouped irons "special" or  "different."

But with the unique achondrites, and the unique chondrites I  think they 
should be more valuable.  If someone had a unique Silver Dollar,  Ferrari, or 
dinosaur skeleton it would be worth more, so why not with  meteorites?

Of course, as a dealer and as a marketer myself, I can  appreciate when a 
dealer will "romance" what they have.  And when more and  more of something 
previously (more) rare is diluted (say with a 5th of the same  thing being 
found) 
and a new "group" is formed, then one should spin the  positive with the "news" 
of the new group being formed. ;-)

And, yes, as  a new group is formed, there is usually at least one new 
research paper churned  out to at least announce the occasion and the new name 
of 
the group.  So, I  can see why all of a sudden some people would want at least 
a 
representative  sample from the new group, especially if they are a collector 
that collects one  from each recognized group.

And the more dealers that are romancing their  particular specimen from a new 
group the more chatter there is in the community  of collectors.  

But, in the case of Brachinites, that group has  been recognized for some 
time, so it isn't really a "new" one.

So, can  anyone help me understand this a little better?

Steve Arnold  #1
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In a  message dated 12/2/2008 9:16:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yep Greg, you are fully right. I just made a  wrong recopy from the 
database. Sorry for that. Even if NWA brachinites are  not so numerous, it 
is easy to make confusions.

Regarding NWA 595,  this is new to me, though, as Met. Soc. member, I do 
have all the MAPS  issues.
Strange that, after this rather official statement (MAPS abstract),  nobody 
brought corrections to the Met Bull data...

Thanks a lot, yest  it greatly helps.

Best,

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[meteorite-list] NWA Number Count - status of NWA brachinites

[Greg Hupe]

Hi Zelimir,

One thing I forgot to mention, the NWA number count is at NWA 5480 (maybe a 
few more since last week). It looks like the brachinite count is what you 
have listed earlier, unless there are any currently under study, none that I 
have heard of from scientists here in the U.S.


This goes to show that brachinites are still a very rare group of 
achondrites with a combined total of less than 9 kilos!! That is less than 
Lunar and Martian meteorites!!!


Best regards,
Greg


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- Original Message - 
From: "Zelimir Gabelica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Greg Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites


Yep Greg, you are fully right. I just made a wrong recopy from the
database. Sorry for that. Even if NWA brachinites are not so numerous, it
is easy to make confusions.

Regarding NWA 595, this is new to me, though, as Met. Soc. member, I do
have all the MAPS issues.
Strange that, after this rather official statement (MAPS abstract), nobody
brought corrections to the Met Bull data...

Thanks a lot, yest it greatly helps.

Best,

Zelimir

A 10:02 02/12/2008 -0500, Greg Hupe a écrit :

Hello Zelimir,

NWA 4882: Here is the statement I see in the Bulletin:
"Classification: Achondrite (brachinite). This specimen (NWA 4882) is very 
similar in external appearance, texture, and mineral compositions to NWA 
4969, with which it may be paired (Wittke et al. 2008). It also is very 
similar to NWA 3151 in texture, olivine, and plagioclase compositions, and 
patterns of staining around metal (Irving et al. 2005). However, the 
clinopyroxenes in these two specimens have somewhat different compositions, 
and NWA 3151 contains much less plagioclase and lacks the distinctive 
polyphase assemblages found in NWA 4882."


I see they state NWA 4696 "may" be paired to NWA 4882. They do show that 
those two are not paired to NWA 3151.


Concerning NWA 595, here is a link to an abstract that illustrates that it 
is actually not a brachinite:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5213.pdf

I hope this helps!

Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault




- Original Message - From: "Zelimir Gabelica" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 


Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites


Hi Martin,

I fully agree.

To be complete, here is what I have in my archives:

..."NWA 4969 (BRA, Algeria, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) from Marcin, is paired 
with NWA
4882 (Algeria, from Hupé's, BRA, tkw = 2@ 3096 g), but apparently not with
NWA 3151 (BRA, Hupé's, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] grams), nor with NWXA 5191 
([EMAIL PROTECTED] g)

With  the new NWA 5471 from Heir's, this indeed makes 4 brachinites from
the "NWA" vast strewnfield.

However, in Met. Bull. database, we find the following brachinites from
"NWA", this better completing the picture:

NWA 595 (Cottingham, Morocco (?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 3151 (Hupé's, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4872 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4874 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) (can it be paired with NWA 4872 above 
???)

NWA 4876 (anonymous, NWA ( Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
NWA 4882 (G. Hupé, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4969 (M. Cimala, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
NWA 5191 (anonymous, found in Morocco desert, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said to be 
paired
with NWA 3151, thus suggesting this latter was also found in Morocco

NWA 5471 (C. Heir's, Morocco (??), 1 (??)@538 g, paired with  (not yet
in Met. Bull.)
--
Total: not copunting pairings, we find 9 different meteorite names (NWA
numbers), probably 10 separate pieces, totalling 8694,5 grams

Question: How far are these data (Met Bulll database + NWA 5471) correct
and complete ?

Who can complete, possibly remove the ???'s and add comments about
pairings, so that we all can update our archives regarding NWA brachinites?

Bernd? Greg ? Marcin ? Martin ? or Jeff ?

Thanks and best wishes,

Zelimir



A 13:40 02/12/2008 +0100, Martin Altmann a écrit :

Oooops, little correction, was in a brachinite flush.

Must be NWA 4882 not 3151.

But NWA 3151 is cool stuff too.
And Marcin's NWA 4969.

Take them all. All are the money well worth.

So, something forgotten?

Crazy. To be able to buy 5 brachinites in one day.
Never happened before in history.

Best
Martin

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin 
Altmann

Gesendet: Dien

Re: [meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites

[Zelimir Gabelica]

Yep Greg, you are fully right. I just made a wrong recopy from the 
database. Sorry for that. Even if NWA brachinites are not so numerous, it 
is easy to make confusions.


Regarding NWA 595, this is new to me, though, as Met. Soc. member, I do 
have all the MAPS issues.
Strange that, after this rather official statement (MAPS abstract), nobody 
brought corrections to the Met Bull data...


Thanks a lot, yest it greatly helps.

Best,

Zelimir

A 10:02 02/12/2008 -0500, Greg Hupe a écrit :

Hello Zelimir,

NWA 4882: Here is the statement I see in the Bulletin:
"Classification: Achondrite (brachinite). This specimen (NWA 4882) is very 
similar in external appearance, texture, and mineral compositions to NWA 
4969, with which it may be paired (Wittke et al. 2008). It also is very 
similar to NWA 3151 in texture, olivine, and plagioclase compositions, and 
patterns of staining around metal (Irving et al. 2005). However, the 
clinopyroxenes in these two specimens have somewhat different 
compositions, and NWA 3151 contains much less plagioclase and lacks the 
distinctive polyphase assemblages found in NWA 4882."


I see they state NWA 4696 "may" be paired to NWA 4882. They do show that 
those two are not paired to NWA 3151.


Concerning NWA 595, here is a link to an abstract that illustrates that it 
is actually not a brachinite:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5213.pdf

I hope this helps!

Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault




- Original Message - From: "Zelimir Gabelica" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 


Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites


Hi Martin,

I fully agree.

To be complete, here is what I have in my archives:

..."NWA 4969 (BRA, Algeria, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) from Marcin, is paired 
with NWA
4882 (Algeria, from Hupé's, BRA, tkw = 2@ 3096 g), but apparently not with
NWA 3151 (BRA, Hupé's, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] grams), nor with NWXA 5191 
([EMAIL PROTECTED] g)

With  the new NWA 5471 from Heir's, this indeed makes 4 brachinites from
the "NWA" vast strewnfield.

However, in Met. Bull. database, we find the following brachinites from
"NWA", this better completing the picture:

NWA 595 (Cottingham, Morocco (?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 3151 (Hupé's, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4872 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4874 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) (can it be paired with NWA 4872 above 
???)

NWA 4876 (anonymous, NWA ( Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
NWA 4882 (G. Hupé, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4969 (M. Cimala, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
NWA 5191 (anonymous, found in Morocco desert, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said to be 
paired
with NWA 3151, thus suggesting this latter was also found in Morocco

NWA 5471 (C. Heir's, Morocco (??), 1 (??)@538 g, paired with  (not yet
in Met. Bull.)
--
Total: not copunting pairings, we find 9 different meteorite names (NWA
numbers), probably 10 separate pieces, totalling 8694,5 grams

Question: How far are these data (Met Bulll database + NWA 5471) correct
and complete ?

Who can complete, possibly remove the ???'s and add comments about
pairings, so that we all can update our archives regarding NWA brachinites?

Bernd? Greg ? Marcin ? Martin ? or Jeff ?

Thanks and best wishes,

Zelimir



A 13:40 02/12/2008 +0100, Martin Altmann a écrit :

Oooops, little correction, was in a brachinite flush.

Must be NWA 4882 not 3151.

But NWA 3151 is cool stuff too.
And Marcin's NWA 4969.

Take them all. All are the money well worth.

So, something forgotten?

Crazy. To be able to buy 5 brachinites in one day.
Never happened before in history.

Best
Martin

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von 
Martin Altmann

Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2008 13:04
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Brachinites & NWA 4882

Good Morning list,

and ooops what's going on?

I'm sure Dirk wanted to express his enthusiasm rather than to offend someone.

Friends! Brachinites! Can you have too many of them in the collection???
There are so few finds, such a tiny batch of material and yet they are so 
diverse and heterogeneous, that brachinites are still a really enigmatic class.


Always a good read, David Weir's Studies: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/

When we decided to blow our NWA 5471, no matter whether it was the main 
mass or small-budget-sizes, the price-finding was simple. We checked the 
prices on the dealers' pages and the results on ebay of the few pieces 
offered there, to be sure, to have a silly low price.


Check it by your own.
200$ a gram is affordable standard;
everything below 200$ is a good buy;
every

Re: [meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites

[Greg Hupe]

Hello Zelimir,

NWA 4882: Here is the statement I see in the Bulletin:
"Classification: Achondrite (brachinite). This specimen (NWA 4882) is very 
similar in external appearance, texture, and mineral compositions to NWA 
4969, with which it may be paired (Wittke et al. 2008). It also is very 
similar to NWA 3151 in texture, olivine, and plagioclase compositions, and 
patterns of staining around metal (Irving et al. 2005). However, the 
clinopyroxenes in these two specimens have somewhat different compositions, 
and NWA 3151 contains much less plagioclase and lacks the distinctive 
polyphase assemblages found in NWA 4882."


I see they state NWA 4696 "may" be paired to NWA 4882. They do show that 
those two are not paired to NWA 3151.


Concerning NWA 595, here is a link to an abstract that illustrates that it 
is actually not a brachinite:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5213.pdf

I hope this helps!

Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault




- Original Message - 
From: "Zelimir Gabelica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 


Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites


Hi Martin,

I fully agree.

To be complete, here is what I have in my archives:

..."NWA 4969 (BRA, Algeria, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) from Marcin, is paired 
with NWA
4882 (Algeria, from Hupé's, BRA, tkw = 2@ 3096 g), but apparently not with
NWA 3151 (BRA, Hupé's, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] grams), nor with NWXA 5191 
([EMAIL PROTECTED] g)

With  the new NWA 5471 from Heir's, this indeed makes 4 brachinites from
the "NWA" vast strewnfield.

However, in Met. Bull. database, we find the following brachinites from
"NWA", this better completing the picture:

NWA 595 (Cottingham, Morocco (?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 3151 (Hupé's, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4872 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4874 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) (can it be paired with NWA 4872 above 
???)

NWA 4876 (anonymous, NWA ( Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
NWA 4882 (G. Hupé, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4969 (M. Cimala, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
NWA 5191 (anonymous, found in Morocco desert, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said to be 
paired
with NWA 3151, thus suggesting this latter was also found in Morocco

NWA 5471 (C. Heir's, Morocco (??), 1 (??)@538 g, paired with  (not yet
in Met. Bull.)
--
Total: not copunting pairings, we find 9 different meteorite names (NWA
numbers), probably 10 separate pieces, totalling 8694,5 grams

Question: How far are these data (Met Bulll database + NWA 5471) correct
and complete ?

Who can complete, possibly remove the ???'s and add comments about
pairings, so that we all can update our archives regarding NWA brachinites?

Bernd? Greg ? Marcin ? Martin ? or Jeff ?

Thanks and best wishes,

Zelimir



A 13:40 02/12/2008 +0100, Martin Altmann a écrit :

Oooops, little correction, was in a brachinite flush.

Must be NWA 4882 not 3151.

But NWA 3151 is cool stuff too.
And Marcin's NWA 4969.

Take them all. All are the money well worth.

So, something forgotten?

Crazy. To be able to buy 5 brachinites in one day.
Never happened before in history.

Best
Martin

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin 
Altmann

Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2008 13:04
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Brachinites & NWA 4882

Good Morning list,

and ooops what's going on?

I'm sure Dirk wanted to express his enthusiasm rather than to offend 
someone.


Friends! Brachinites! Can you have too many of them in the collection???
There are so few finds, such a tiny batch of material and yet they are so 
diverse and heterogeneous, that brachinites are still a really enigmatic 
class.


Always a good read, David Weir's Studies: 
http://www.meteoritestudies.com/


When we decided to blow our NWA 5471, no matter whether it was the main 
mass or small-budget-sizes, the price-finding was simple. We checked the 
prices on the dealers' pages and the results on ebay of the few pieces 
offered there, to be sure, to have a silly low price.


Check it by your own.
200$ a gram is affordable standard;
everything below 200$ is a good buy;
everything below 150$ is a bargain;
everything below 100$ is a MUST and a categorical imperative.

So we made 65$ a gram as a gift.

Now Greg tells us, that his NWA 3151 is available at an even lower rate!

What are the consequences? Good heavens - Buy them! Buy a NWA 3151, buy a 
NWA 5471, if you have already a 3151, take additionally a 5471, if you own 
a 5471, add a 3151. What are you waiting for, prices went silly!

Bah, prices are in ruin
Matteo 27:4

Follow me. Why "s

[meteorite-list] no pairings of the sikote-alin meteorite

[steve arnold]

Good morning list.It just has to be a mess with all these nwa pairings with 
these brachinite's.Well a good thing for me.I do not have any brach's in my 
collection,only sikote-alin's here.So no pairings will ever be a hassle for 
this greatest of falls.I have to take this back.I do have a piece of eagle's 
nest,a small fragment,but still small.But the sikote-alin meteorite is by far 
the best of all the non rusting irons.I do have one small question.I have a few 
pieces that shows lite bubbling.What would tend to cause that?

Steve R.Arnold,Chicago!  http://chicagometeorites.net/


  
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[meteorite-list] status of NWA brachinites

[Zelimir Gabelica]

Hi Martin,

I fully agree.

To be complete, here is what I have in my archives:

..."NWA 4969 (BRA, Algeria, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) from Marcin, is paired with NWA 
4882 (Algeria, from Hupé's, BRA, tkw = 2@ 3096 g), but apparently not with 
NWA 3151 (BRA, Hupé's, tkw = [EMAIL PROTECTED] grams), nor with NWXA 5191 ([EMAIL PROTECTED] g)


With  the new NWA 5471 from Heir's, this indeed makes 4 brachinites from 
the "NWA" vast strewnfield.


However, in Met. Bull. database, we find the following brachinites from 
"NWA", this better completing the picture:


NWA 595 (Cottingham, Morocco (?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 3151 (Hupé's, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4872 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4874 (Aaronson, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g) (can it be paired with NWA 
4872 above ???)
NWA 4876 (anonymous, NWA ( Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
NWA 4882 (G. Hupé, Algeria, [EMAIL PROTECTED] g)
NWA 4969 (M. Cimala, NWA (Morocco ?), [EMAIL PROTECTED] g
NWA 5191 (anonymous, found in Morocco desert, [EMAIL PROTECTED], said to be paired 
with NWA 3151, thus suggesting this latter was also found in Morocco


NWA 5471 (C. Heir's, Morocco (??), 1 (??)@538 g, paired with  (not yet 
in Met. Bull.)

--
Total: not copunting pairings, we find 9 different meteorite names (NWA 
numbers), probably 10 separate pieces, totalling 8694,5 grams


Question: How far are these data (Met Bulll database + NWA 5471) correct 
and complete ?


Who can complete, possibly remove the ???'s and add comments about 
pairings, so that we all can update our archives regarding NWA brachinites?


Bernd? Greg ? Marcin ? Martin ? or Jeff ?

Thanks and best wishes,

Zelimir



A 13:40 02/12/2008 +0100, Martin Altmann a écrit :

Oooops, little correction, was in a brachinite flush.

Must be NWA 4882 not 3151.

But NWA 3151 is cool stuff too.
And Marcin's NWA 4969.

Take them all. All are the money well worth.

So, something forgotten?

Crazy. To be able to buy 5 brachinites in one day.
Never happened before in history.

Best
Martin

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin 
Altmann

Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2008 13:04
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Brachinites & NWA 4882

Good Morning list,

and ooops what's going on?

I'm sure Dirk wanted to express his enthusiasm rather than to offend someone.

Friends! Brachinites! Can you have too many of them in the collection???
There are so few finds, such a tiny batch of material and yet they are so 
diverse and heterogeneous, that brachinites are still a really enigmatic class.


Always a good read, David Weir's Studies:   http://www.meteoritestudies.com/

When we decided to blow our NWA 5471, no matter whether it was the main 
mass or small-budget-sizes, the price-finding was simple. We checked the 
prices on the dealers' pages and the results on ebay of the few pieces 
offered there, to be sure, to have a silly low price.


Check it by your own.
200$ a gram is affordable standard;
everything below 200$ is a good buy;
everything below 150$ is a bargain;
everything below 100$ is a MUST and a categorical imperative.

So we made 65$ a gram as a gift.

Now Greg tells us, that his NWA 3151 is available at an even lower rate!

What are the consequences? Good heavens - Buy them! Buy a NWA 3151, buy a 
NWA 5471, if you have already a 3151, take additionally a 5471, if you own 
a 5471, add a 3151. What are you waiting for, prices went silly!

Bah, prices are in ruin
Matteo 27:4

Follow me. Why "silly"?

Stats, stats, stats!

Use the formidable instrument of the Meteoritical Bulletin Database:
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php

Nineteen (including ours not listed yet) finds and numbers.
Pairing indications often mentioned in the descriptions,
hence probably we're talking about less than a dozen different falls.
Quantities, sum them up!  10kgs. That is all.
Jump in the garden and grab 10kgs of stones from the rose bed to get a 
notion of the total volume in existence on Earth.


What are you waiting for?
Seen the numbers of finds and the weights, it's the same, as you would get 
offered a Moon at 10$ a gram.


That tomorrow a ton of that stuff will fall?
Unlikely, I guess.
Since the day Jacob rested his weary head on the black baethyl to dream 
his dream of his ladder there were found only those few handfuls of tiny 
stones.


Please - ANSMET, NIPR, EUROMET, PRIC with all their manpower and the 
primary and secondary means of maybe 1 billion together in these 31 years,

they recovered half a pound of that stuff.

Give 10,000$ to Greg or to us and you can have another half a pound.

That's what I call a performance.
And that's that "service to science", which sounds sometimes so solemnly, 
and where about some are smiling, but nevertheless is true.


Huh, and revilers of dry food:
Aren't these both not the best proves, that NWAs do have a "personalit

Re: [meteorite-list] Brachinites & NWA 4882

[Martin Altmann]

Oooops, little correction, was in a brachinite flush.

Must be NWA 4882 not 3151.

But NWA 3151 is cool stuff too. 
And Marcin's NWA 4969.

Take them all. All are the money well worth.

So, something forgotten?

Crazy. To be able to buy 5 brachinites in one day.
Never happened before in history.

Best
Martin

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann
Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2008 13:04
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Brachinites & NWA 4882

Good Morning list,

and ooops what's going on?

I'm sure Dirk wanted to express his enthusiasm rather than to offend someone.

Friends! Brachinites! Can you have too many of them in the collection???
There are so few finds, such a tiny batch of material and yet they are so 
diverse and heterogeneous, that brachinites are still a really enigmatic class.

Always a good read, David Weir's Studies:   http://www.meteoritestudies.com/

When we decided to blow our NWA 5471, no matter whether it was the main mass or 
small-budget-sizes, the price-finding was simple. We checked the prices on the 
dealers' pages and the results on ebay of the few pieces offered there, to be 
sure, to have a silly low price.

Check it by your own.
200$ a gram is affordable standard;
everything below 200$ is a good buy;
everything below 150$ is a bargain;
everything below 100$ is a MUST and a categorical imperative.

So we made 65$ a gram as a gift.

Now Greg tells us, that his NWA 3151 is available at an even lower rate!

What are the consequences? Good heavens - Buy them! Buy a NWA 3151, buy a NWA 
5471, if you have already a 3151, take additionally a 5471, if you own a 5471, 
add a 3151. What are you waiting for, prices went silly!
Bah, prices are in ruin
Matteo 27:4

Follow me. Why "silly"?

Stats, stats, stats! 

Use the formidable instrument of the Meteoritical Bulletin Database:
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php

Nineteen (including ours not listed yet) finds and numbers.
Pairing indications often mentioned in the descriptions,
hence probably we're talking about less than a dozen different falls.
Quantities, sum them up!  10kgs. That is all.
Jump in the garden and grab 10kgs of stones from the rose bed to get a notion 
of the total volume in existence on Earth.

What are you waiting for? 
Seen the numbers of finds and the weights, it's the same, as you would get 
offered a Moon at 10$ a gram.

That tomorrow a ton of that stuff will fall?
Unlikely, I guess.
Since the day Jacob rested his weary head on the black baethyl to dream his 
dream of his ladder there were found only those few handfuls of tiny stones.

Please - ANSMET, NIPR, EUROMET, PRIC with all their manpower and the primary 
and secondary means of maybe 1 billion together in these 31 years,
they recovered half a pound of that stuff.

Give 10,000$ to Greg or to us and you can have another half a pound.

That's what I call a performance.  
And that's that "service to science", which sounds sometimes so solemnly, and 
where about some are smiling, but nevertheless is true.

Huh, and revilers of dry food:
Aren't these both not the best proves, that NWAs do have a "personality"?

Eagles Nest. Found by a hunter in desert.
Reid.Found by a hunter in desert.
Hughes.  Found by a hunter in desert.
NWA 3151.Found by a hunter in desert.
NWA 5471 Found by a hunter in desert.

History reloaded!

(Shhht have you noticed that NWA 3151 as well as NWA 5471 are looking prettier 
than Eagles Nest?).


Quintessence of that little discussion is:

Chladni's Heirs say:  We give you the Koh-I-Noor for a dime!
The Hupés say: We give you the Millennium Star for a nickel!

The collectors know that.

Hey universities, colleges - these are our sweet pills to ease your pains of 
budget shortage!

Good Morning Chicago, good morning London! Guten Morgen Wien! Bonjour Paris!
Shubh Sanyankal Calcutta! Grueziwohl Bern! Salve Vatican
Sh, Perth, Adelaide, Victoria - homes of all brachinites are still 
slumbering on the other side of the globe. O joyful awakening, addition to the 
family!

Wake up! And set for a moment these triceratops skulls, the fancy rock 
crystals, the silver curls, the rubies aside. Such expensive mass stuff you can 
buy in all eternity.

Brachinites? You don't have something rarer but only today so cheap in your 
collections.
And when they are gone, they're gone.

Don't want to read as a doter your swan songs about the Golden Age of 
meteorites. 
You all were here, you all were informed.

Ask NASA, ask ESA, ask IAXA - will it take a hundred years or 200 years - until 
probes will hunt for the remainders of the brachinite parent bodie(s)
in space?


Sounds all quite exaggerated, doesn't it?

Sorry. These are the proportions, when we're talking about brachinites.
These are the facts, when we're talking about meteorites.

Brachinites are space exploration 2008-2050.

And these are some

Re: [meteorite-list] Brachinites & NWA 4882

[Martin Altmann]

Good Morning list,

and ooops what's going on?

I'm sure Dirk wanted to express his enthusiasm rather than to offend someone.

Friends! Brachinites! Can you have too many of them in the collection???
There are so few finds, such a tiny batch of material and yet they are so 
diverse and heterogeneous, that brachinites are still a really enigmatic class.

Always a good read, David Weir's Studies:   http://www.meteoritestudies.com/

When we decided to blow our NWA 5471, no matter whether it was the main mass or 
small-budget-sizes, the price-finding was simple. We checked the prices on the 
dealers' pages and the results on ebay of the few pieces offered there, to be 
sure, to have a silly low price.

Check it by your own.
200$ a gram is affordable standard;
everything below 200$ is a good buy;
everything below 150$ is a bargain;
everything below 100$ is a MUST and a categorical imperative.

So we made 65$ a gram as a gift.

Now Greg tells us, that his NWA 3151 is available at an even lower rate!

What are the consequences? Good heavens - Buy them! Buy a NWA 3151, buy a NWA 
5471, if you have already a 3151, take additionally a 5471, if you own a 5471, 
add a 3151. What are you waiting for, prices went silly!
Bah, prices are in ruin
Matteo 27:4

Follow me. Why "silly"?

Stats, stats, stats! 

Use the formidable instrument of the Meteoritical Bulletin Database:
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php

Nineteen (including ours not listed yet) finds and numbers.
Pairing indications often mentioned in the descriptions,
hence probably we're talking about less than a dozen different falls.
Quantities, sum them up!  10kgs. That is all.
Jump in the garden and grab 10kgs of stones from the rose bed to get a notion 
of the total volume in existence on Earth.

What are you waiting for? 
Seen the numbers of finds and the weights, it's the same, as you would get 
offered a Moon at 10$ a gram.

That tomorrow a ton of that stuff will fall?
Unlikely, I guess.
Since the day Jacob rested his weary head on the black baethyl to dream his 
dream of his ladder there were found only those few handfuls of tiny stones.

Please - ANSMET, NIPR, EUROMET, PRIC with all their manpower and the primary 
and secondary means of maybe 1 billion together in these 31 years,
they recovered half a pound of that stuff.

Give 10,000$ to Greg or to us and you can have another half a pound.

That's what I call a performance.  
And that's that "service to science", which sounds sometimes so solemnly, and 
where about some are smiling, but nevertheless is true.

Huh, and revilers of dry food:
Aren't these both not the best proves, that NWAs do have a "personality"?

Eagles Nest. Found by a hunter in desert.
Reid.Found by a hunter in desert.
Hughes.  Found by a hunter in desert.
NWA 3151.Found by a hunter in desert.
NWA 5471 Found by a hunter in desert.

History reloaded!

(Shhht have you noticed that NWA 3151 as well as NWA 5471 are looking prettier 
than Eagles Nest?).


Quintessence of that little discussion is:

Chladni's Heirs say:  We give you the Koh-I-Noor for a dime!
The Hupés say: We give you the Millennium Star for a nickel!

The collectors know that.

Hey universities, colleges - these are our sweet pills to ease your pains of 
budget shortage!

Good Morning Chicago, good morning London! Guten Morgen Wien! Bonjour Paris!
Shubh Sanyankal Calcutta! Grueziwohl Bern! Salve Vatican
Sh, Perth, Adelaide, Victoria - homes of all brachinites are still 
slumbering on the other side of the globe. O joyful awakening, addition to the 
family!

Wake up! And set for a moment these triceratops skulls, the fancy rock 
crystals, the silver curls, the rubies aside. Such expensive mass stuff you can 
buy in all eternity.

Brachinites? You don't have something rarer but only today so cheap in your 
collections.
And when they are gone, they're gone.

Don't want to read as a doter your swan songs about the Golden Age of 
meteorites. 
You all were here, you all were informed.

Ask NASA, ask ESA, ask IAXA - will it take a hundred years or 200 years - until 
probes will hunt for the remainders of the brachinite parent bodie(s)
in space?


Sounds all quite exaggerated, doesn't it?

Sorry. These are the proportions, when we're talking about brachinites.
These are the facts, when we're talking about meteorites.

Brachinites are space exploration 2008-2050.

And these are some and by far not all aspects, why we all and often the 
professionals too,
do love and venerate our meteorites.

Best!
Martin
  



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Greg Hupe
Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2008 02:18
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Brachinites & NWA 4882

Hello Dirk and List,

Dirk, since you would like to promote brachinite material, here is a little 
insight you may not be aware of:

NWA 4882 Brachinite (unpaired) - I