Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
I wanted to add my 2 cents to this..well actually my $50.00 to this post for the new Canadian Meteorite for Sale. One of the must categories I like to a collect in my collection are Recent or New Witnessed Falls, even if their not Hammers. A Meteorite being New /Recent/Witnessed and sharing the World Major News Stories carries a more desire for me to want a part of that history!! So with that said if anyone comes across a 1 gm or 2 gm piece or can relay this email to a reputable source willing to sell this meteorite to me for $50 a gm for 1 to 2 grams, have them please contact me ASAP. I will make an official request for this meteorite here and now. My feeling is that this offer will not be accepted anytime soon. Why? Because when something new comes along it seems the price is usually put higher then it should be at first regardless of it's composition. Yes you will get buyers willing at any cost to have a piece and there's nothing wrong with sellers/dealers making a few bucks for the work/efforts involved, I understand and accept this. But... to control the price the true power is in the Buyers. If the Buyers don't buy at that set price then eventually it is lowered until Buyers will buy. There really is truth in the power of numbers, meaning if all us collectors stick together and do not buy, the price will eventually come down. A dealer can say well heck with it I'll keep it in my collection but...sooner then later that dealer will have a big collection and no revenue which will eventually lead to a real IMPACT financially that the dealer wants no part of, especially in his/her collection! So I'm not gonna save face here.. lol I am a collector with a love for this hobby and weakness for this hobby. I figure if I can get this meteorite for $50 a gm now, I would be saving money instead of my passion for meteorites corrupting my common sense to hold off until prices drop. I always seem to allow my self to get lured in like a B-ass because I'm weak, I need it, I want it, I can't wait lol! I know many of you out there feel my PAIN!! So.I have $100 set aside for a 2 gm. piece for the first legit seller to contact me for the exchange! I will keep all of you posted on this offer and how long it takes! By the way I meant no offence in this email to ANY Collector, Seller or Dealer in any way shape or form, I can only say just get that 2 gm. piece to me NOW!! lol Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale I am not sure the discussion really centers on their asking price of $50.00 gram. It sort of morphed from Canadian Government buying price to retail price, to initial price etc. Someone suggested a piece be sold on eBay to set the price. Well, that was done with Cali and Puerto Lapice, and the price was very high. But eBay will never set a price. Show me 50 Sikhote-Alin auctions and I will show you 50 different gram prices for Sikhote-Alin. My part in this is simply to sort of separate why some recent falls set record prices, and others seem to be down to earth, and where the Canada fall will likely end up. I sure do hope there is a lot, I want to find some and sell some and buy some, and the more material, the better for all. Canada can be happy, there will be room for both scientists and collectors to get their fill. Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 7:32 PM All, I agree that this probably will sell for much lower in the future...well at least I hope Supply and Demand will allow the prices to come down later because a lot of it to comes on the market. But we should keep something else in mind here: I don't know how much TKW Sonny and McCartney personally found on their trip, but it is entirely possible that they simply don't want to sell much if any. Maybe they are thinking "Hey, if someone wants these bad enough, we will let them go." If no one wants them bad enough, they might just be happy to retain the ownership for the long haul. If they hold on, and later tons hit the market, maybe they will drop their asking price. If later the values go up, then maybe they will raise their prices. Just because they are asking a certain prices doesn't really mean that is what it is worth it to the rest of the world, maybe that is just what it is worth to them? Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorite.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) _
Re: [meteorite-list] Claimed find on Crown Land in Canada
I am not there so I have no idea of the strewnfield. 1o kilometers Is not the same as hundreds. All the bs makes it a perfectly normal fall though. Wait till you get anal-probed at the airport tomorrow. Dotnt be surprised if they have a trap waiting for you. Mike Sent from my iPhone Michael On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:54 PM, "McCartney Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Its total BS. The nearest crown land is sideways 10km. Not along the axis, simply the nearest crown land where someone who stole a rock off Ian Mitchell ranch could claim it and keep it. Mike you didn't believe the Cali, Columbia finds that were hundreds of km away in FARC territory either?... Most claim it hit a roadway. Its going to be a chronic claim from here on. The 13kg mass was originally claimed to be a roadway find, until Dr. Hilebrand browbeat the finder to give it back to Alister Mitchell who's land it was stolen from. That confrontation occurred at our hotel a few days before we got there. Just to clarify. -mt Original Message From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 11:45 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] McCartney's News from the Canadian Fall Man, I wish I was there, but with just returning from a 23 day expedition to the other side of the planet and going to Japan Monday, I had no chance to make it. You say pieces are claimed 10 km away, that should be no problem, that is 6 miles, a normal strewnfield is that large, and of course, could be triple that for a truly huge fall, which this has the earmarks of. I envy you guys today though, not the cold part, but the finding of new fall stones, that gets my heart racing! Mike --- On Fri, 12/5/08, McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] McCartney's News from the Canadian Fall To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:02 PM The hunting is over, 5-10 cm of snow is predicted tonight. More fell last night. Searching is all but impossible at this point. The weather has been abnormally snow free up till this week. We have had the luck of securing 5% of the strewnfield. We also had the luck of a really great landowner at that. We've had to forfeit a sizable portion of our finds to this land owner, who fully deserves it for his co-operation with us. In fact, he deputized us to police his property and kick off the plethora of trespassers that was rampant after the news aired locally. The stone looks like an H6, but I'm not qualified to make a call on that. I do know that we're seeing alot of secondary crust, so perhaps this thing blew high? Sonny spotted some veining in some of his stones. I've managed to mainly find fully crusted individuals. I want everyone to know, my luggage was lost coming into Canada. So I searched in -22 Celsius with the clothes on my back that I wore on the plane. If you think you are a meteorite hunter, you will know when you crawl on your hands and knees looking for pee sized meteorites in -22C. You'll either cut it, or go home. Me...I'm still here. The fall looks big. But after today, the material coming out is going to stop. Most of the material we saw recovered was stolen. It will be claimed 'roadway'. I even heard of some falling on crown lands 10 km away! Interviews done indicate 15 'pops' when the fireball blew. It was a hell of a show, I hear. One person recalled his tin roof sounding like it was hit by hail stones. My best guess on TKW is about 35kg of which 30kg is in the hands of the Mitchell family/Dr Hildebrand. The Mitchell have expressed no interest in selling. The few locals who have offered material for sell are asking so much I can't touch it. Its that bad. Today we were interviewed by Canadian Broadcasting. Sonny did well in expressing space enthusiasm, while I did a short stint on the science and ballistics of the fall. Then we took the camera guy hunting. To my stunned eyes, we stumbled on a meteorite while walking 20m forward to find a shoot spot. That was caught on film. (68grams) Then within 20m we found a tiny 2nd one. Frilling amazing. They made a wrap because they were freezing and left. What totally killed me, was when I went back to hunting, I noticed the camera guy had STEPPED on another meteorite, about 25g. LOL! Funny funny. best -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritece
[meteorite-list] Claimed find on Crown Land in Canada
Its total BS. The nearest crown land is sideways 10km. Not along the axis, simply the nearest crown land where someone who stole a rock off Ian Mitchell ranch could claim it and keep it. Mike you didn't believe the Cali, Columbia finds that were hundreds of km away in FARC territory either?... Most claim it hit a roadway. Its going to be a chronic claim from here on. The 13kg mass was originally claimed to be a roadway find, until Dr. Hilebrand browbeat the finder to give it back to Alister Mitchell who's land it was stolen from. That confrontation occurred at our hotel a few days before we got there. Just to clarify. -mt Original Message > From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 11:45 PM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] McCartney's News from the Canadian Fall > > Man, I wish I was there, but with just returning from a 23 day expedition to > the other side of the planet and going to Japan Monday, I had no chance to > make it. > You say pieces are claimed 10 km away, that should be no problem, that is 6 > miles, a normal strewnfield is that large, and of course, could be triple > that for a truly huge fall, which this has the earmarks of. I envy you guys > today though, not the cold part, but the finding of new fall stones, that > gets my heart racing! > Mike > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] McCartney's News from the Canadian Fall > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:02 PM > > The hunting is over, 5-10 cm of snow is predicted tonight. > > More fell last night. Searching is all but impossible at > > this point. The weather has been abnormally snow free up > > till this week. > > > > We have had the luck of securing 5% of the strewnfield. We > > also had the luck of a really great landowner at that. > > We've had to forfeit a sizable portion of our finds to > > this land owner, who fully deserves it for his co-operation > > with us. In fact, he deputized us to police his property > > and kick off the plethora of trespassers that was rampant > > after the news aired locally. > > > > The stone looks like an H6, but I'm not qualified to > > make a call on that. I do know that we're seeing alot > > of secondary crust, so perhaps this thing blew high? Sonny > > spotted some veining in some of his stones. I've > > managed to mainly find fully crusted individuals. > > > > I want everyone to know, my luggage was lost coming into > > Canada. So I searched in -22 Celsius with the clothes on my > > back that I wore on the plane. If you think you are a > > meteorite hunter, you will know when you crawl on your hands > > and knees looking for pee sized meteorites in -22C. > > You'll either cut it, or go home. Me...I'm still > > here. > > > > The fall looks big. But after today, the material coming > > out is going to stop. Most of the material we saw recovered > > was stolen. It will be claimed 'roadway'. I even > > heard of some falling on crown lands 10 km away! > > > > Interviews done indicate 15 'pops' when the > > fireball blew. It was a hell of a show, I hear. One person > > recalled his tin roof sounding like it was hit by hail > > stones. > > > > My best guess on TKW is about 35kg of which 30kg is in the > > hands of the Mitchell family/Dr Hildebrand. The Mitchell > > have expressed no interest in selling. The few locals who > > have offered material for sell are asking so much I > > can't touch it. Its that bad. > > > > Today we were interviewed by Canadian Broadcasting. Sonny > > did well in expressing space enthusiasm, while I did a short > > stint on the science and ballistics of the fall. Then we > > took the camera guy hunting. To my stunned eyes, we > > stumbled on a meteorite while walking 20m forward to find a > > shoot spot. That was caught on film. (68grams) Then within > > 20m we found a tiny 2nd one. Frilling amazing. They made a > > wrap because they were freezing and left. What totally > > killed me, was when I went back to hunting, I noticed the > > camera guy had STEPPED on another meteorite, about 25g. > > LOL! Funny funny. > > > > best > > -mt > > > > > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] McCartney's News from the Canadian Fall
Great news! Too bad Canada doesn't have free export laws like we have here in the U.S. So.. when do we get to see some photos? It's the next best thing to being there, without the cold. Have a warm evening, Ryan __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] McCartney's News from the Canadian Fall
Man, I wish I was there, but with just returning from a 23 day expedition to the other side of the planet and going to Japan Monday, I had no chance to make it. You say pieces are claimed 10 km away, that should be no problem, that is 6 miles, a normal strewnfield is that large, and of course, could be triple that for a truly huge fall, which this has the earmarks of. I envy you guys today though, not the cold part, but the finding of new fall stones, that gets my heart racing! Mike --- On Fri, 12/5/08, McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: McCartney Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [meteorite-list] McCartney's News from the Canadian Fall > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:02 PM > The hunting is over, 5-10 cm of snow is predicted tonight. > More fell last night. Searching is all but impossible at > this point. The weather has been abnormally snow free up > till this week. > > We have had the luck of securing 5% of the strewnfield. We > also had the luck of a really great landowner at that. > We've had to forfeit a sizable portion of our finds to > this land owner, who fully deserves it for his co-operation > with us. In fact, he deputized us to police his property > and kick off the plethora of trespassers that was rampant > after the news aired locally. > > The stone looks like an H6, but I'm not qualified to > make a call on that. I do know that we're seeing alot > of secondary crust, so perhaps this thing blew high? Sonny > spotted some veining in some of his stones. I've > managed to mainly find fully crusted individuals. > > I want everyone to know, my luggage was lost coming into > Canada. So I searched in -22 Celsius with the clothes on my > back that I wore on the plane. If you think you are a > meteorite hunter, you will know when you crawl on your hands > and knees looking for pee sized meteorites in -22C. > You'll either cut it, or go home. Me...I'm still > here. > > The fall looks big. But after today, the material coming > out is going to stop. Most of the material we saw recovered > was stolen. It will be claimed 'roadway'. I even > heard of some falling on crown lands 10 km away! > > Interviews done indicate 15 'pops' when the > fireball blew. It was a hell of a show, I hear. One person > recalled his tin roof sounding like it was hit by hail > stones. > > My best guess on TKW is about 35kg of which 30kg is in the > hands of the Mitchell family/Dr Hildebrand. The Mitchell > have expressed no interest in selling. The few locals who > have offered material for sell are asking so much I > can't touch it. Its that bad. > > Today we were interviewed by Canadian Broadcasting. Sonny > did well in expressing space enthusiasm, while I did a short > stint on the science and ballistics of the fall. Then we > took the camera guy hunting. To my stunned eyes, we > stumbled on a meteorite while walking 20m forward to find a > shoot spot. That was caught on film. (68grams) Then within > 20m we found a tiny 2nd one. Frilling amazing. They made a > wrap because they were freezing and left. What totally > killed me, was when I went back to hunting, I noticed the > camera guy had STEPPED on another meteorite, about 25g. > LOL! Funny funny. > > best > -mt > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Pictue of the Day - December 6, 2008
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[meteorite-list] McCartney's News from the Canadian Fall
The hunting is over, 5-10 cm of snow is predicted tonight. More fell last night. Searching is all but impossible at this point. The weather has been abnormally snow free up till this week. We have had the luck of securing 5% of the strewnfield. We also had the luck of a really great landowner at that. We've had to forfeit a sizable portion of our finds to this land owner, who fully deserves it for his co-operation with us. In fact, he deputized us to police his property and kick off the plethora of trespassers that was rampant after the news aired locally. The stone looks like an H6, but I'm not qualified to make a call on that. I do know that we're seeing alot of secondary crust, so perhaps this thing blew high? Sonny spotted some veining in some of his stones. I've managed to mainly find fully crusted individuals. I want everyone to know, my luggage was lost coming into Canada. So I searched in -22 Celsius with the clothes on my back that I wore on the plane. If you think you are a meteorite hunter, you will know when you crawl on your hands and knees looking for pee sized meteorites in -22C. You'll either cut it, or go home. Me...I'm still here. The fall looks big. But after today, the material coming out is going to stop. Most of the material we saw recovered was stolen. It will be claimed 'roadway'. I even heard of some falling on crown lands 10 km away! Interviews done indicate 15 'pops' when the fireball blew. It was a hell of a show, I hear. One person recalled his tin roof sounding like it was hit by hail stones. My best guess on TKW is about 35kg of which 30kg is in the hands of the Mitchell family/Dr Hildebrand. The Mitchell have expressed no interest in selling. The few locals who have offered material for sell are asking so much I can't touch it. Its that bad. Today we were interviewed by Canadian Broadcasting. Sonny did well in expressing space enthusiasm, while I did a short stint on the science and ballistics of the fall. Then we took the camera guy hunting. To my stunned eyes, we stumbled on a meteorite while walking 20m forward to find a shoot spot. That was caught on film. (68grams) Then within 20m we found a tiny 2nd one. Frilling amazing. They made a wrap because they were freezing and left. What totally killed me, was when I went back to hunting, I noticed the camera guy had STEPPED on another meteorite, about 25g. LOL! Funny funny. best -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
I am not sure the discussion really centers on their asking price of $50.00 gram. It sort of morphed from Canadian Government buying price to retail price, to initial price etc. Someone suggested a piece be sold on eBay to set the price. Well, that was done with Cali and Puerto Lapice, and the price was very high. But eBay will never set a price. Show me 50 Sikhote-Alin auctions and I will show you 50 different gram prices for Sikhote-Alin. My part in this is simply to sort of separate why some recent falls set record prices, and others seem to be down to earth, and where the Canada fall will likely end up. I sure do hope there is a lot, I want to find some and sell some and buy some, and the more material, the better for all. Canada can be happy, there will be room for both scientists and collectors to get their fill. Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 7:32 PM > All, > > I agree that this probably will sell for much lower in the > future...well at > least I hope Supply and Demand will allow the prices to > come down later > because a lot of it to comes on the market. > > But we should keep something else in mind here: I don't > know how much TKW > Sonny and McCartney personally found on their trip, but it > is entirely possible > that they simply don't want to sell much if any. Maybe > they are thinking > "Hey, if someone wants these bad enough, we will let > them go." If no one wants > them bad enough, they might just be happy to retain the > ownership for the > long haul. > > If they hold on, and later tons hit the market, maybe they > will drop their > asking price. If later the values go up, then maybe they > will raise their > prices. > > Just because they are asking a certain prices doesn't > really mean that is > what it is worth it to the rest of the world, maybe that > is just what it is > worth to them? > > Steve Arnold #1 > www.SteveArnoldMeteorite.com > > **Make your life easier with all your friends, > email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
All, I agree that this probably will sell for much lower in the future...well at least I hope Supply and Demand will allow the prices to come down later because a lot of it to comes on the market. But we should keep something else in mind here: I don't know how much TKW Sonny and McCartney personally found on their trip, but it is entirely possible that they simply don't want to sell much if any. Maybe they are thinking "Hey, if someone wants these bad enough, we will let them go." If no one wants them bad enough, they might just be happy to retain the ownership for the long haul. If they hold on, and later tons hit the market, maybe they will drop their asking price. If later the values go up, then maybe they will raise their prices. Just because they are asking a certain prices doesn't really mean that is what it is worth it to the rest of the world, maybe that is just what it is worth to them? Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorite.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Martin, there are huge differences with these high-priced falls. No one could question Puerto Lapice, it sold out in minutes even at astronomical prices. less than 600 grams recovered, deserves every penny of the high price. Cali, 10 stones, 7 smashed houses, Colombia's first recovered fall, less than 500 grams TKW, H/L4, again, the market ate that one up, there is not a speck for sale as far as I know. Deserved the high price. Carancas, world-news making meteorite, little survived, Peru's first recovered fall, crater maker, what is not to like? Market absorbed it all, some straggler pieces dropped the price, but more due to market tapped out and world economic collapse than being overpriced. Moss, What more is there to say? The first CO3 fall in 60 years, NORWAY fall, all of 3.5 kilos recovered, 40% of which is in OSLO museum. That one deserved every penny it got, and how much Moss do you see out there these days? Zunhua, China house smasher, one stone, and when I started selling, there was just crumbs available. Later some large pieces were taken out of hiding, so price I think has come down a bit on that one. But not due to massive weight or anything. Hosur, I dint think it should be more than a few gram, large fall, massive pieces, and from India, already making it problematic. I do not own any. Canada, this is different, we already know that hundreds of stones have been recovered, with a TKW likely already over 50 kilograms. The fireball videos suggest hundreds of kilos will be found, it is also a H type, so not rare. This will not sustain $50.00 gram, and should not. This one will stabilize at a low-mid price. I can't wait to get/find one, but I will wait for the winter freeze to end before I go up there! Martin, you see, I can easily make an argument for all of the recent falls and their high prices. This can not be made of the new Canadian fall, at least not at this time. Should something happen and not much more found or allowed out of Canada, well, then the sky is the limit. Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:14 PM > Humm, > > Villalbeto, Moss, La Mancha/La Pice, Carancas, Cali, > Zunhua, Hosur. > > to me there seems to be an evident trend, that new falls > get much higher > paid, than all the years before. 4 of the world-record > prices for new falls > happened the recent few years. > > Exceptions are the nevertheless marvellous falls from > North-Africa. > > So 50$ appears not so unusual to me. > > Who offers first, makes the pace. > Whether this price is more justified or less justified > won't depend on the > tkw which will be recovered, it will depend on how much > material will be > allowed to be exported. Two main price factors exist for a > meteorite. Type > of course, but the same important: availability. > > Pattern for new falls: > 1) First expensive - few offerers, collectors worried to > miss out... > 2) Falling prices, more providers, more material > 3) Raising prices, often up to a level higher to the first > offers, cause the > stuff has gone. > > Speed, with which that happens, depends on how much > material is set free and > on how many sellers get involved. > > In worst case, step 2 won't take place. > > But that's nothing new, all know that. > > So you can hope with the new fall, that large quantities > will be exported > or/and that Heence&Koons get some in, so that it ends > offered by many > collectors and on ebay too, > and if you're lucky, you will catch it at 5$ or 10$. > > But you can be not so lucky, in waiting, waitingand > only smaller > quantities will hit the market, and after a while you will > have to pay more > than 50$, cause most could have been gone. > > Best! > Martin > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im > Auftrag von Roman > Gesendet: Samstag, 6. Dezember 2008 01:22 > An: Mike Jensen > Cc: metlist > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for > sale > > Good Guys, Great hunting skills, but no Canadian should pay > that price! > Cheers, > > Roman Jirasek > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Jensen" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for > sale > > > > Hi All > > I am posting this for McCartney Taylor who has no > access to the > > internet right now. He and Sonny have been hunting for > pieces of the > > new Canadian fall. He said that about 90% of the > strewnfield is > > impossible to hunt as Alan Hildebrand has secured it > for his teams to > > hunt. > > McCartney also mentioned that people from all around > the area are > > hunting on priva
Re: [meteorite-list] More on new Canadian meteorite
> Anyone got an idea on the type for the meteorite yet? A reliable answer to this will probably influence a final price, besides the fact alone that it is a fresh Canadian fall with a remarkable TKW. I mean, even if it were narrowed down to being nothing but just an ordinary chondrite, it would make quite a difference if it were an LL3.x or, let´s say, another mainstream H5 or L6, right? Well, someone will have cut one or more specimens in the meantime, and the very first question - whether it is an ordinary chondrite or not - should be resolved by now, without much more in-depth analysis. Any news here? Alex Berlin/Germany __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Humm, Villalbeto, Moss, La Mancha/La Pice, Carancas, Cali, Zunhua, Hosur. to me there seems to be an evident trend, that new falls get much higher paid, than all the years before. 4 of the world-record prices for new falls happened the recent few years. Exceptions are the nevertheless marvellous falls from North-Africa. So 50$ appears not so unusual to me. Who offers first, makes the pace. Whether this price is more justified or less justified won't depend on the tkw which will be recovered, it will depend on how much material will be allowed to be exported. Two main price factors exist for a meteorite. Type of course, but the same important: availability. Pattern for new falls: 1) First expensive - few offerers, collectors worried to miss out... 2) Falling prices, more providers, more material 3) Raising prices, often up to a level higher to the first offers, cause the stuff has gone. Speed, with which that happens, depends on how much material is set free and on how many sellers get involved. In worst case, step 2 won't take place. But that's nothing new, all know that. So you can hope with the new fall, that large quantities will be exported or/and that Heence&Koons get some in, so that it ends offered by many collectors and on ebay too, and if you're lucky, you will catch it at 5$ or 10$. But you can be not so lucky, in waiting, waitingand only smaller quantities will hit the market, and after a while you will have to pay more than 50$, cause most could have been gone. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Roman Gesendet: Samstag, 6. Dezember 2008 01:22 An: Mike Jensen Cc: metlist Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale Good Guys, Great hunting skills, but no Canadian should pay that price! Cheers, Roman Jirasek - Original Message - From: "Mike Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > Hi All > I am posting this for McCartney Taylor who has no access to the > internet right now. He and Sonny have been hunting for pieces of the > new Canadian fall. He said that about 90% of the strewnfield is > impossible to hunt as Alan Hildebrand has secured it for his teams to > hunt. > McCartney also mentioned that people from all around the area are > hunting on private property without permission. Most of that might be > over as some light snow has fallen making searching quite difficult. > The good news is they were able to get permission to hunt on some > private property and have found a few smaller pieces. They would like > to offer them up to Canadian residents only as they would need > permission to export them out of the country. So if you live in Canada > and would like to purchase one they have three pieces weighing 10-25 > grams. The selling price is $50 per gram. They will be leaving within > 12 hours so if you are interested in buying one please email McCartney > ASAP so he can ship them before he leaves the country. > He will have access to the internet later tonight so please email him > your request. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Mike > > > Mike Jensen Meteorites > 16730 E Ada PL > Aurora, CO 80017-3137 > USA > 720-949-6220 > IMCA 4264 > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on new Canadian meteorite
Anyone got an idea on the type for the meteorite yet? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Not a meteorite sale
On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:20:10 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >I was a bit excited when I first cut this as it looks like a nice howardite >but it is in fact not a meteorite. One of the nicer reference items for your >NWA meteor wrong collection. >http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/meteorwrong.html >If anybody wants a nice conglomerate rock from NWA price is $8.95 including >shipping anywhere in the world >Sincerely WOW, that's a hard site to read! Dean, trust me on this-- black text on a white background. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Good Guys, Great hunting skills, but no Canadian should pay that price! Cheers, Roman Jirasek - Original Message - From: "Mike Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale Hi All I am posting this for McCartney Taylor who has no access to the internet right now. He and Sonny have been hunting for pieces of the new Canadian fall. He said that about 90% of the strewnfield is impossible to hunt as Alan Hildebrand has secured it for his teams to hunt. McCartney also mentioned that people from all around the area are hunting on private property without permission. Most of that might be over as some light snow has fallen making searching quite difficult. The good news is they were able to get permission to hunt on some private property and have found a few smaller pieces. They would like to offer them up to Canadian residents only as they would need permission to export them out of the country. So if you live in Canada and would like to purchase one they have three pieces weighing 10-25 grams. The selling price is $50 per gram. They will be leaving within 12 hours so if you are interested in buying one please email McCartney ASAP so he can ship them before he leaves the country. He will have access to the internet later tonight so please email him your request. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Not a meteorite sale
Our New Zealander wrote: "I was a bit excited when I first cut this as it looks like a nice howardite but it is in fact not a meteorite. One of the nicer reference items for your NWA meteor wrong collection." http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/meteorwrong.html Holy smokes! This must be one of the best meteor-wrongs I've ever seen !!! Best, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Not a meteorite sale
I was a bit excited when I first cut this as it looks like a nice howardite but it is in fact not a meteorite. One of the nicer reference items for your NWA meteor wrong collection. http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/meteorwrong.html If anybody wants a nice conglomerate rock from NWA price is $8.95 including shipping anywhere in the world Sincerely DEAN BESSEY http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/meteorwrong.html http://www.meteoriteshop.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04)
> Man,when it rains, it pours! Wasn't there a song: "It never rains in *California* ?! ;-) > always sunny, easy hunting, totally recoverable! .. like the Tucson irons :-) > Hopefully some farmer finds a large black rock in his barn today. There's at least one *Farmer* out there :-)) Sorry, couldn't resist! Best, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
I see this as being true about the total weight available and thats why I think that the $50 per gram is way too much to pay for this fall. In a few months it will be able to be purchased for a much lower cost. Yes, I do think that the amount of video will add to the price some, but not much more then the typical new falls bring in. I think the price range given for this fall of between $1 - $10 per gram will be correct as more material becomes available. Its not like there is not alot available as Mike said about the Carancas fall... That said, I am looking for a sample of this, but wont pay $50 per gram for it. I for one am looking forward to the hunters trips and will wait until then to make my purchase unless someone offers me a sample at a more reasonable price. --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:22 PM > This is where pricing becomes difficult. Carancas was an > extraordinary event. Very little material found, half of > what was found was dust. $100 gram was a fair price, as I > sold out at that price in hours. > The 13 kilo piece of the Canadian fall weighs as much as > nearly all of the Carancas found. Some pieces sell cheap > now because people in Peru and Bolivia held too long, > waiting for more money, while I and others filled up all > buyers and museums, now there is not the demand because > everyone already has it. > > Canada is a widespread fall, apparently everyone and their > brother up there has found stones, so they will start > trickling out. The videos make this fall a must have. I am > not trying to set a price, just mulling over the last decade > of falls and the price outcomes and this is where I see it > ending up. Depends of course on export etc, but Canadian > government will not spend millions of this chondrite. Tagish > was a different creature, rarest meteorite almost that ever > fell. > We will see, it will take months to get export permits, > time for TKW etc to firm up and tell us more. > mike > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Greg Catterton > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Greg Catterton > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > Meteorite for sale > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:15 AM > > I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the > Carancas > > for example was $100 per gram at first, now it can be > had > > for under $20 per gram. > > I have read several places that it is only valued at > $1 - > > $10 per gram. I will wait a bit myself. > > > > Greg > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Michael Farmer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > From: Michael Farmer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > > Meteorite for sale > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:10 PM > > > This meteorite will end up with a retail value of > ~$10 > > gram > > > or so, give or take a few $ and perhaps $25 gram > for > > small > > > stones. There will be a huge amount of this > meteorite > > found, > > > the videos show every local schoolkid walking > around > > with > > > meteorites, and the real hunting hasnt even > started > > yet. The > > > snow is about to fall, putting the meteorite in > deep > > freeze. > > > Most of us hunters are talking and planning major > > hunts for > > > springtime when the thaw comes. > > > I forsee at least a few hundred kilos of stones > being > > > found. > > > Canada will allow export of stones, that wont be > a > > problem > > > for a common chondrite, since the government will > have > > > plenty of material. > > > Kudos to Sonny and McCartney, but the price will > not > > be set > > > be a single sale. > > > Michael Farmer > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New > Canadian > > > Meteorite for sale > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:58 AM > > > > Greg, > > > > > > > > As I understand, the Canadian law was put > in > > place to > > > give > > > > Canadian > > > > Scientists first shot at ALL the grant money > on > > > research > > > > for any newly found > > > > meteorites in Canada. > > > > > > > > If any meteorite is allowed outside the > Canadian > > > borders, > > > > it would allow > > > > some other scientist or institution in > another > > > country to > > > > get that grant money. > > > > In some cases that grant money could total > in > > the > > > te
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04)
Man,when it rains, it pours! Why cant one of these fall over Tucson or Phoenix, always sunny, easy hunting, totally recoverable! In the last year, how many nice fireballs over Colo and the Northwest, none recovered! Hopefully some farmer finds a large black rock in his barn today. Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Chris Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Chris Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04) > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 3:40 PM > Unfortunately, a snow storm was just clearing out of the > area at the time, and all the cameras that might have caught > this were still clouded out. But over 60 people have filed > reports, from Utah, across Colorado, and into Nebraska. So I > can estimate the path. The meteor was fairly slow, not too > steep, and seems to have fragmented into two or three > pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a new > strewn field out in eastern Colorado. I've put a map of > the approximate ground path at > http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20081204.html > > Chris > > * > Chris L Peterson > Cloudbait Observatory > http://www.cloudbait.com > > > - Original Message - From: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:43 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky > (Denver 2008.12.04) > > > > Looks like a listmember is getting some nice press... > and that someone is throwing a lot of space rocks at the > earth lately ... > > > > > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18208878/detail.html > > > > Meteor Brightens Night Sky > > Fireball Spotted Across Front Range > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04)
Unfortunately, a snow storm was just clearing out of the area at the time, and all the cameras that might have caught this were still clouded out. But over 60 people have filed reports, from Utah, across Colorado, and into Nebraska. So I can estimate the path. The meteor was fairly slow, not too steep, and seems to have fragmented into two or three pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a new strewn field out in eastern Colorado. I've put a map of the approximate ground path at http://www.cloudbait.com/science/fireball20081204.html Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04) Looks like a listmember is getting some nice press... and that someone is throwing a lot of space rocks at the earth lately ... http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18208878/detail.html Meteor Brightens Night Sky Fireball Spotted Across Front Range __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Sounds sensible to me. - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale This is where pricing becomes difficult. Carancas was an extraordinary event. Very little material found, half of what was found was dust. $100 gram was a fair price, as I sold out at that price in hours. The 13 kilo piece of the Canadian fall weighs as much as nearly all of the Carancas found. Some pieces sell cheap now because people in Peru and Bolivia held too long, waiting for more money, while I and others filled up all buyers and museums, now there is not the demand because everyone already has it. Canada is a widespread fall, apparently everyone and their brother up there has found stones, so they will start trickling out. The videos make this fall a must have. I am not trying to set a price, just mulling over the last decade of falls and the price outcomes and this is where I see it ending up. Depends of course on export etc, but Canadian government will not spend millions of this chondrite. Tagish was a different creature, rarest meteorite almost that ever fell. We will see, it will take months to get export permits, time for TKW etc to firm up and tell us more. mike --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Greg Catterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Greg Catterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:15 AM I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the Carancas for example was $100 per gram at first, now it can be had for under $20 per gram. I have read several places that it is only valued at $1 - $10 per gram. I will wait a bit myself. Greg --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:10 PM > This meteorite will end up with a retail value of ~$10 gram > or so, give or take a few $ and perhaps $25 gram for small > stones. There will be a huge amount of this meteorite found, > the videos show every local schoolkid walking around with > meteorites, and the real hunting hasnt even started yet. The > snow is about to fall, putting the meteorite in deep freeze. > Most of us hunters are talking and planning major hunts for > springtime when the thaw comes. > I forsee at least a few hundred kilos of stones being > found. > Canada will allow export of stones, that wont be a problem > for a common chondrite, since the government will have > plenty of material. > Kudos to Sonny and McCartney, but the price will not be set > be a single sale. > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > Meteorite for sale > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:58 AM > > Greg, > > > > As I understand, the Canadian law was put in place to > give > > Canadian > > Scientists first shot at ALL the grant money on > research > > for any newly found > > meteorites in Canada. > > > > If any meteorite is allowed outside the Canadian > borders, > > it would allow > > some other scientist or institution in another > country to > > get that grant money. > > In some cases that grant money could total in the > tens of > > thousands or > > hundreds of thousands of dollars. > > > > I am not sure what Canadian Meteorite Researchers > earn > > each year, but their > > salaries can't be cheap for their employers. > > > > So, as long as the physical rock stayed in Canada, > then no > > harm can be done > > to the Canadian scientists. > > > > Years ago, I purchased a new Canadian Meteorite when > I > > drove to Canada. I > > gave it to a Canadian collector to hold for me when I > > returned to the states > > to figure out what I wanted to do with it. I then > sold > > the ownership of the > > rock to another American meteorite dealer, even > though the > > rock always > > remained, and to this day it still remains in Canada. > > > > I would imagine, if this meteorite is indeed an > ordinary > > chondrite, there > > will be little research money given to study it. So > the > > scientists probably > > will not be interested in buying much of it, since > there > > will be little to no > > return on their investment. > > > > If there is 100,000 grams eventually found, they > probably > > will not want to > > pay over $10/g, or spend $1,000,000 if their grant > money > > they will earn would > > be less than $1,000,000. > > > > The reason why the Cana
[meteorite-list] Reminder, Bonhams sale, last day to bid.
Just a reminder to everyone, the Bonhams Natural History Auction this Sunday, Dec 7 in LA, has a very nice selection of meteorites, many rarities, Martian and Lunar pieces. I have many pieces consigned to this auction, only one, the 500 gram Esquel has reserve, the others sell where they end. Get in there and bid. All bids must be in at least 24 hours ahead which really means today. You can also set up for phone bidding, but I think that also must be done like right now! I was going to attend, but today cancelled my plans. My wife and I have been very ill since returning from the Middle East, so in order to get ready for Japan and clean up 23 days of mail and other stuff which piles up when on month-long expeditions, I had to cancel my plans to attend in person. www.bonhams.com click on Natural History and you will see the auction, simply type in "meteorite" in search and you will see all of them. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04)
Thank you very much Matthias and Doug. In fact it was much too cold to be out last night. About the time that meteor was seen, the temperature was 7 degrees Farenheit, about minus 15 centigrades. So I didn't even see it. But thank you for your very funny post. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 12/5/2008 3:02:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This was Santa Anne in her glowing rednosed-reindeer-driven, ecologically absolutely uncritical flying drop-top, infatigably anxious to provide all her clients with heavenly objects in accurate SST (Santa Standard Time). Matthias - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04) > Looks like a listmember is getting some nice press... and that someone is > throwing a lot of space rocks at the earth lately ... > > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18208878/detail.html > > Meteor Brightens Night Sky > Fireball Spotted Across Front Range > > POSTED: 9:44 pm MST December 4, 2008 > UPDATED: 11:02 pm MST December 4, 2008 > > > DENVER -- Reports are coming in from all around Colorado about a bright > object in the sky on Thursday night. > > Chris Peterson, astronomer at Cloudbait Observatory in Guffey, Colo., said > he is receiving credible reports of the object pointing to a spectacular > meteor display. > > The celestial spectacle occurred at around 8:43 p.m. Peterson said is > happened about 60 to 70 degrees above the horizon, going from a west to > east direction. By the trajectory and perceived proximity, Peterson > estimated the meteor landed in the eastern part of the state. > > Denver and Aurora emergency crews were sent on several wild goose chases > of the impact of the meteor. The reports ranged from Monaco Parkway and > Hampden Avenue in Denver, all the way to 32nd Avenue and Airport Way in > Aurora, to east of Denver International Airport. > > Eyewitness reports have come trickling in from as far away as Fairplay in > Park County, to Estes Park, to Aspen Park in rural Jefferson County. > > Denver International Airport spokesman Jeff Green said air traffic > controllers have reported heavy meteor activity the past few nights. Also > Green confirmed it was not an aircraft in distress that was streaking > across the sky. > > If you saw a meteor in the Thursday night sky, report it to the All Sky > Network and the Cloudbait Observatory. > **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: December 1-5, 2008
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES December 1-5, 2008 o Polar Dunes (Released 01 December 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081201a o More Polar Dunes (Released 02 December 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081202a o Dunes (Released 03 December 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081203a o Terra Sabaea (Released 04 December 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081204a o More Terra Sabaea (Released 05 December 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081205a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Canadian Meteorite
Greg and All, I agree Greg, and likewise I hope the Canadian Government Researchers are making their GPS coordinates of all their finds available to private hunters so that the private hunters can compile data into their GPS units to be able to get all the meteorites recovered from within the strewnfield. I totally agree with Greg, this is a great opportunity for scientists, hunters and collectors to work together. In fact, if the government employees would publicly state how much they would be willing to buy, and at what price they will pay, agreeing to let the rest go through the export permit process without challenge would be a great help too. If local land owners and hunters would know what the values would be, then better decisions could be made for everyone involved. Quotes in the newspapers that there "could be millions of dollars of meteorites on the ground" and that a head sized rock "could be worth $50,000" or that a "1 kilo rock is worth $10,000" is all nice, but it is so vague as to what the real values are that I am sure the locals are a bit confused right now. Letting the locals cash in on the finds will only help more Canadians in future falls get excited about going out and hunting too. It will turn out bad if all the locals think that if 500,000 g are found that they can automatically expect to get $5,000,000 (or more) out of it, then the government ends up only buying a kilo's worth and then no one else is interested in paying anything 6 months from now because a new fall (or 2 or 3) will have diverted everyone's attention elsewhere. Letting all the kilos of Tagish Lake fall to the bottom of the lake when the thaw came was an embarrassment for all the people claiming they were "acting in the best interest of science by not sharing the information." Here is their chance to redeem themselves, while the world is watching. If there is indeed thousands of stones, weighing hundreds of kilos total, there is no way a single college professor/researcher will be able to hunt the entire strewnfield... even if he took a 10 year sabbatical to keep hunting. But with cooperation with the private hunters, there is a chance that many if not most could be found in a short period of time, maybe in a year or two. We will see what happens... Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:46:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello All, I hope all who are finding material from the new Canadian meteorite fall are sending their GPS coordinates to the investigating scientists so they can compile the data into their databases to get the best possible length and width of the strewnfield. Not only that, it is a great opportunity for scientists, hunters and collectors to work together! Congratulations to Sonny, McCartney and all who have already found some of this new chondrite!! Best regards, Greg **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Canadian Meteorite
Hello All, I hope all who are finding material from the new Canadian meteorite fall are sending their GPS coordinates to the investigating scientists so they can compile the data into their databases to get the best possible length and width of the strewnfield. Not only that, it is a great opportunity for scientists, hunters and collectors to work together! Congratulations to Sonny, McCartney and all who have already found some of this new chondrite!! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale This is where pricing becomes difficult. Carancas was an extraordinary event. Very little material found, half of what was found was dust. $100 gram was a fair price, as I sold out at that price in hours. The 13 kilo piece of the Canadian fall weighs as much as nearly all of the Carancas found. Some pieces sell cheap now because people in Peru and Bolivia held too long, waiting for more money, while I and others filled up all buyers and museums, now there is not the demand because everyone already has it. Canada is a widespread fall, apparently everyone and their brother up there has found stones, so they will start trickling out. The videos make this fall a must have. I am not trying to set a price, just mulling over the last decade of falls and the price outcomes and this is where I see it ending up. Depends of course on export etc, but Canadian government will not spend millions of this chondrite. Tagish was a different creature, rarest meteorite almost that ever fell. We will see, it will take months to get export permits, time for TKW etc to firm up and tell us more. mike --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Greg Catterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Greg Catterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:15 AM I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the Carancas for example was $100 per gram at first, now it can be had for under $20 per gram. I have read several places that it is only valued at $1 - $10 per gram. I will wait a bit myself. Greg --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:10 PM > This meteorite will end up with a retail value of ~$10 gram > or so, give or take a few $ and perhaps $25 gram for small > stones. There will be a huge amount of this meteorite found, > the videos show every local schoolkid walking around with > meteorites, and the real hunting hasnt even started yet. The > snow is about to fall, putting the meteorite in deep freeze. > Most of us hunters are talking and planning major hunts for > springtime when the thaw comes. > I forsee at least a few hundred kilos of stones being > found. > Canada will allow export of stones, that wont be a problem > for a common chondrite, since the government will have > plenty of material. > Kudos to Sonny and McCartney, but the price will not be set > be a single sale. > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > Meteorite for sale > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:58 AM > > Greg, > > > > As I understand, the Canadian law was put in place to > give > > Canadian > > Scientists first shot at ALL the grant money on > research > > for any newly found > > meteorites in Canada. > > > > If any meteorite is allowed outside the Canadian > borders, > > it would allow > > some other scientist or institution in another > country to > > get that grant money. > > In some cases that grant money could total in the > tens of > > thousands or > > hundreds of thousands of dollars. > > > > I am not sure what Canadian Meteorite Researchers > earn > > each year, but their > > salaries can't be cheap for their employers. > > > > So, as long as the physical rock stayed in Canada, > then no > > harm can be done > > to the Canadian scientists. > > > > Years ago, I purchased a new Canadian Meteorite when > I > > drove to Canada. I > > gave it to a Canadian collector to hold for me when I > > returned to the states > > to figure out what I wanted to do with it. I then > sold > > the
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
This is where pricing becomes difficult. Carancas was an extraordinary event. Very little material found, half of what was found was dust. $100 gram was a fair price, as I sold out at that price in hours. The 13 kilo piece of the Canadian fall weighs as much as nearly all of the Carancas found. Some pieces sell cheap now because people in Peru and Bolivia held too long, waiting for more money, while I and others filled up all buyers and museums, now there is not the demand because everyone already has it. Canada is a widespread fall, apparently everyone and their brother up there has found stones, so they will start trickling out. The videos make this fall a must have. I am not trying to set a price, just mulling over the last decade of falls and the price outcomes and this is where I see it ending up. Depends of course on export etc, but Canadian government will not spend millions of this chondrite. Tagish was a different creature, rarest meteorite almost that ever fell. We will see, it will take months to get export permits, time for TKW etc to firm up and tell us more. mike --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Greg Catterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Greg Catterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:15 AM > I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the Carancas > for example was $100 per gram at first, now it can be had > for under $20 per gram. > I have read several places that it is only valued at $1 - > $10 per gram. I will wait a bit myself. > > Greg > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Michael Farmer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > Meteorite for sale > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:10 PM > > This meteorite will end up with a retail value of ~$10 > gram > > or so, give or take a few $ and perhaps $25 gram for > small > > stones. There will be a huge amount of this meteorite > found, > > the videos show every local schoolkid walking around > with > > meteorites, and the real hunting hasnt even started > yet. The > > snow is about to fall, putting the meteorite in deep > freeze. > > Most of us hunters are talking and planning major > hunts for > > springtime when the thaw comes. > > I forsee at least a few hundred kilos of stones being > > found. > > Canada will allow export of stones, that wont be a > problem > > for a common chondrite, since the government will have > > plenty of material. > > Kudos to Sonny and McCartney, but the price will not > be set > > be a single sale. > > Michael Farmer > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > > Meteorite for sale > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:58 AM > > > Greg, > > > > > > As I understand, the Canadian law was put in > place to > > give > > > Canadian > > > Scientists first shot at ALL the grant money on > > research > > > for any newly found > > > meteorites in Canada. > > > > > > If any meteorite is allowed outside the Canadian > > borders, > > > it would allow > > > some other scientist or institution in another > > country to > > > get that grant money. > > > In some cases that grant money could total in > the > > tens of > > > thousands or > > > hundreds of thousands of dollars. > > > > > > I am not sure what Canadian Meteorite Researchers > > > earn > > > each year, but their > > > salaries can't be cheap for their employers. > > > > > > > So, as long as the physical rock stayed in > Canada, > > then no > > > harm can be done > > > to the Canadian scientists. > > > > > > Years ago, I purchased a new Canadian Meteorite > when > > I > > > drove to Canada. I > > > gave it to a Canadian collector to hold for me > when I > > > returned to the states > > > to figure out what I wanted to do with it. I > then > > sold > > > the ownership of the > > > rock to another American meteorite dealer, even > > though the > > > rock always > > > remained, and to this day it still remains in > Canada. > > > > > > I would imagine, if this meteorite is indeed an > > ordinary > > > chondrite, there > > > will be little research money given to study it. > So > > the > > > scientists probably > > > will not be interested in buying much of it, > since > > there > > > will be little to no > > > return on their investment. > > > > > > If there is 100,000 grams eventually found, they > > probably > > > will not want to > > > pay over $10/g, or spend $1,000,000 if their > grant > > money > > > they w
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
$50/gr. for a big fall? Time some months and the price go under...I waiting matteo - Original Message - Da : "Mike Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A : "Meteorite Mailing List" Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale Data : Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:03:30 -0700 > Hi All > I am posting this for McCartney Taylor who has no access > to the internet right now. He and Sonny have been hunting > for pieces of the new Canadian fall. He said that about > 90% of the strewnfield is impossible to hunt as Alan > Hildebrand has secured it for his teams to hunt. > McCartney also mentioned that people from all around the > area are hunting on private property without permission. > Most of that might be over as some light snow has fallen > making searching quite difficult. The good news is they > were able to get permission to hunt on some private > property and have found a few smaller pieces. They would > like to offer them up to Canadian residents only as they > would need permission to export them out of the country. > So if you live in Canada and would like to purchase one > they have three pieces weighing 10-25 grams. The selling > price is $50 per gram. They will be leaving within 12 > hours so if you are interested in buying one please email > McCartney ASAP so he can ship them before he leaves the > country. He will have access to the internet later tonight > so please email him your request. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Mike > > > Mike Jensen Meteorites > 16730 E Ada PL > Aurora, CO 80017-3137 > USA > 720-949-6220 > IMCA 4264 > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the Carancas for example was $100 per gram at first, now it can be had for under $20 per gram. I have read several places that it is only valued at $1 - $10 per gram. I will wait a bit myself. Greg --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:10 PM > This meteorite will end up with a retail value of ~$10 gram > or so, give or take a few $ and perhaps $25 gram for small > stones. There will be a huge amount of this meteorite found, > the videos show every local schoolkid walking around with > meteorites, and the real hunting hasnt even started yet. The > snow is about to fall, putting the meteorite in deep freeze. > Most of us hunters are talking and planning major hunts for > springtime when the thaw comes. > I forsee at least a few hundred kilos of stones being > found. > Canada will allow export of stones, that wont be a problem > for a common chondrite, since the government will have > plenty of material. > Kudos to Sonny and McCartney, but the price will not be set > be a single sale. > Michael Farmer > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > Meteorite for sale > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:58 AM > > Greg, > > > > As I understand, the Canadian law was put in place to > give > > Canadian > > Scientists first shot at ALL the grant money on > research > > for any newly found > > meteorites in Canada. > > > > If any meteorite is allowed outside the Canadian > borders, > > it would allow > > some other scientist or institution in another > country to > > get that grant money. > > In some cases that grant money could total in the > tens of > > thousands or > > hundreds of thousands of dollars. > > > > I am not sure what Canadian Meteorite Researchers > earn > > each year, but their > > salaries can't be cheap for their employers. > > > > So, as long as the physical rock stayed in Canada, > then no > > harm can be done > > to the Canadian scientists. > > > > Years ago, I purchased a new Canadian Meteorite when > I > > drove to Canada. I > > gave it to a Canadian collector to hold for me when I > > returned to the states > > to figure out what I wanted to do with it. I then > sold > > the ownership of the > > rock to another American meteorite dealer, even > though the > > rock always > > remained, and to this day it still remains in Canada. > > > > I would imagine, if this meteorite is indeed an > ordinary > > chondrite, there > > will be little research money given to study it. So > the > > scientists probably > > will not be interested in buying much of it, since > there > > will be little to no > > return on their investment. > > > > If there is 100,000 grams eventually found, they > probably > > will not want to > > pay over $10/g, or spend $1,000,000 if their grant > money > > they will earn would > > be less than $1,000,000. > > > > The reason why the Canadians were willing to pay the > one > > guy $650,000 for > > his 650g Tagish Lake, is because they could make so > much > > MORE profit off the > > grant money to study that one. > > > > So if any finds from the Marsden Meteorite are > submitted > > for an export > > permit, all the institutions in Canada will get to > stall > > for 6 months to > > eventually end up saying that they don't want to > buy > > any of them, providing that in > > the next 6 months they get more than enough donated > to > > them for free, or if > > someone else wants to sell them some at below market > > values. > > > > I think the real question to be asked is HOW do they > > determine what the > > "fair market value" of the meteorites are? > > > > If Sonny and McCartney can find a buyer for $50 a > gram, > > does that then force > > the government to now pay $50/g IF any others are > found > > and the finders > > choose to request the export permit, and a Canadian > > institution would to buy them > > first? If Sonny or McCartney do not sell all of > their > > finds at their > > asking price of $50/g, maybe they could put one of > their > > finds up on Ebay, with > > the stipulation that the rock will NOT be shipped out > of > > Canada, then Canadian > > bidders could help establish the retail value. Of > course, > > a foreign buyer > > could bid and own it, even though they would not take > > actual physical > > possession of it. > > > > As I said before, IF the Canadian government is more > than > > willing t
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
This meteorite will end up with a retail value of ~$10 gram or so, give or take a few $ and perhaps $25 gram for small stones. There will be a huge amount of this meteorite found, the videos show every local schoolkid walking around with meteorites, and the real hunting hasnt even started yet. The snow is about to fall, putting the meteorite in deep freeze. Most of us hunters are talking and planning major hunts for springtime when the thaw comes. I forsee at least a few hundred kilos of stones being found. Canada will allow export of stones, that wont be a problem for a common chondrite, since the government will have plenty of material. Kudos to Sonny and McCartney, but the price will not be set be a single sale. Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:58 AM > Greg, > > As I understand, the Canadian law was put in place to give > Canadian > Scientists first shot at ALL the grant money on research > for any newly found > meteorites in Canada. > > If any meteorite is allowed outside the Canadian borders, > it would allow > some other scientist or institution in another country to > get that grant money. > In some cases that grant money could total in the tens of > thousands or > hundreds of thousands of dollars. > > I am not sure what Canadian Meteorite Researchers earn > each year, but their > salaries can't be cheap for their employers. > > So, as long as the physical rock stayed in Canada, then no > harm can be done > to the Canadian scientists. > > Years ago, I purchased a new Canadian Meteorite when I > drove to Canada. I > gave it to a Canadian collector to hold for me when I > returned to the states > to figure out what I wanted to do with it. I then sold > the ownership of the > rock to another American meteorite dealer, even though the > rock always > remained, and to this day it still remains in Canada. > > I would imagine, if this meteorite is indeed an ordinary > chondrite, there > will be little research money given to study it. So the > scientists probably > will not be interested in buying much of it, since there > will be little to no > return on their investment. > > If there is 100,000 grams eventually found, they probably > will not want to > pay over $10/g, or spend $1,000,000 if their grant money > they will earn would > be less than $1,000,000. > > The reason why the Canadians were willing to pay the one > guy $650,000 for > his 650g Tagish Lake, is because they could make so much > MORE profit off the > grant money to study that one. > > So if any finds from the Marsden Meteorite are submitted > for an export > permit, all the institutions in Canada will get to stall > for 6 months to > eventually end up saying that they don't want to buy > any of them, providing that in > the next 6 months they get more than enough donated to > them for free, or if > someone else wants to sell them some at below market > values. > > I think the real question to be asked is HOW do they > determine what the > "fair market value" of the meteorites are? > > If Sonny and McCartney can find a buyer for $50 a gram, > does that then force > the government to now pay $50/g IF any others are found > and the finders > choose to request the export permit, and a Canadian > institution would to buy them > first? If Sonny or McCartney do not sell all of their > finds at their > asking price of $50/g, maybe they could put one of their > finds up on Ebay, with > the stipulation that the rock will NOT be shipped out of > Canada, then Canadian > bidders could help establish the retail value. Of course, > a foreign buyer > could bid and own it, even though they would not take > actual physical > possession of it. > > As I said before, IF the Canadian government is more than > willing to pay a > true fair market value on all found meteorites, then this > is wonderful. It > will encourage many people to go out and find meteorites in > Canada knowing > there is a reward waiting for their finds > > Steve Arnold #1 > www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/5/2008 11:15:11 A.M. Central > Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hello Mike, Mike and List, > > Doesn't the Canadian government have first right of > refusal on any meteorite > sales/purchases? I thought I read from one of our Canadian > List members that > only after the Canadian government, museum or such, has > opted not to > purchase a meteorite, then the "land owner" has > the right to sell the > meteorite(s). > > I'd like to hear from our Canadian friends to see if > there is a clear > definanition of the
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Greg, As I understand, the Canadian law was put in place to give Canadian Scientists first shot at ALL the grant money on research for any newly found meteorites in Canada. If any meteorite is allowed outside the Canadian borders, it would allow some other scientist or institution in another country to get that grant money. In some cases that grant money could total in the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars. I am not sure what Canadian Meteorite Researchers earn each year, but their salaries can't be cheap for their employers. So, as long as the physical rock stayed in Canada, then no harm can be done to the Canadian scientists. Years ago, I purchased a new Canadian Meteorite when I drove to Canada. I gave it to a Canadian collector to hold for me when I returned to the states to figure out what I wanted to do with it. I then sold the ownership of the rock to another American meteorite dealer, even though the rock always remained, and to this day it still remains in Canada. I would imagine, if this meteorite is indeed an ordinary chondrite, there will be little research money given to study it. So the scientists probably will not be interested in buying much of it, since there will be little to no return on their investment. If there is 100,000 grams eventually found, they probably will not want to pay over $10/g, or spend $1,000,000 if their grant money they will earn would be less than $1,000,000. The reason why the Canadians were willing to pay the one guy $650,000 for his 650g Tagish Lake, is because they could make so much MORE profit off the grant money to study that one. So if any finds from the Marsden Meteorite are submitted for an export permit, all the institutions in Canada will get to stall for 6 months to eventually end up saying that they don't want to buy any of them, providing that in the next 6 months they get more than enough donated to them for free, or if someone else wants to sell them some at below market values. I think the real question to be asked is HOW do they determine what the "fair market value" of the meteorites are? If Sonny and McCartney can find a buyer for $50 a gram, does that then force the government to now pay $50/g IF any others are found and the finders choose to request the export permit, and a Canadian institution would to buy them first? If Sonny or McCartney do not sell all of their finds at their asking price of $50/g, maybe they could put one of their finds up on Ebay, with the stipulation that the rock will NOT be shipped out of Canada, then Canadian bidders could help establish the retail value. Of course, a foreign buyer could bid and own it, even though they would not take actual physical possession of it. As I said before, IF the Canadian government is more than willing to pay a true fair market value on all found meteorites, then this is wonderful. It will encourage many people to go out and find meteorites in Canada knowing there is a reward waiting for their finds Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com In a message dated 12/5/2008 11:15:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Mike, Mike and List, Doesn't the Canadian government have first right of refusal on any meteorite sales/purchases? I thought I read from one of our Canadian List members that only after the Canadian government, museum or such, has opted not to purchase a meteorite, then the "land owner" has the right to sell the meteorite(s). I'd like to hear from our Canadian friends to see if there is a clear definanition of the Canadian law regarding this. Best regards, Greg **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
No, they have that right before issuing the permit, not to buy everything. so, should they still want the meteorite, they can make an offer before issuing the permit. Mike --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: "Mike Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:14 AM > Hello Mike, Mike and List, > > Doesn't the Canadian government have first right of > refusal on any meteorite sales/purchases? I thought I read > from one of our Canadian List members that only after the > Canadian government, museum or such, has opted not to > purchase a meteorite, then the "land owner" has > the right to sell the meteorite(s). > > I'd like to hear from our Canadian friends to see if > there is a clear definanition of the Canadian law regarding > this. > > Best regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > - Original Message - From: "Mike Jensen" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" > > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for > sale > > > > Hi All > > I am posting this for McCartney Taylor who has no > access to the > > internet right now. He and Sonny have been hunting for > pieces of the > > new Canadian fall. He said that about 90% of the > strewnfield is > > impossible to hunt as Alan Hildebrand has secured it > for his teams to > > hunt. > > McCartney also mentioned that people from all around > the area are > > hunting on private property without permission. Most > of that might be > > over as some light snow has fallen making searching > quite difficult. > > The good news is they were able to get permission to > hunt on some > > private property and have found a few smaller pieces. > They would like > > to offer them up to Canadian residents only as they > would need > > permission to export them out of the country. So if > you live in Canada > > and would like to purchase one they have three pieces > weighing 10-25 > > grams. The selling price is $50 per gram. They will be > leaving within > > 12 hours so if you are interested in buying one please > email McCartney > > ASAP so he can ship them before he leaves the country. > > He will have access to the internet later tonight so > please email him > > your request. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > Mike Jensen Meteorites > > 16730 E Ada PL > > Aurora, CO 80017-3137 > > USA > > 720-949-6220 > > IMCA 4264 > > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Hello Mike, Mike and List, Doesn't the Canadian government have first right of refusal on any meteorite sales/purchases? I thought I read from one of our Canadian List members that only after the Canadian government, museum or such, has opted not to purchase a meteorite, then the "land owner" has the right to sell the meteorite(s). I'd like to hear from our Canadian friends to see if there is a clear definanition of the Canadian law regarding this. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Mike Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale Hi All I am posting this for McCartney Taylor who has no access to the internet right now. He and Sonny have been hunting for pieces of the new Canadian fall. He said that about 90% of the strewnfield is impossible to hunt as Alan Hildebrand has secured it for his teams to hunt. McCartney also mentioned that people from all around the area are hunting on private property without permission. Most of that might be over as some light snow has fallen making searching quite difficult. The good news is they were able to get permission to hunt on some private property and have found a few smaller pieces. They would like to offer them up to Canadian residents only as they would need permission to export them out of the country. So if you live in Canada and would like to purchase one they have three pieces weighing 10-25 grams. The selling price is $50 per gram. They will be leaving within 12 hours so if you are interested in buying one please email McCartney ASAP so he can ship them before he leaves the country. He will have access to the internet later tonight so please email him your request. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
$50.00 gram? Wow Bargain time. This is a huge fall. Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Mike Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Mike Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:03 AM > Hi All > I am posting this for McCartney Taylor who has no access to > the > internet right now. He and Sonny have been hunting for > pieces of the > new Canadian fall. He said that about 90% of the > strewnfield is > impossible to hunt as Alan Hildebrand has secured it for > his teams to > hunt. > McCartney also mentioned that people from all around the > area are > hunting on private property without permission. Most of > that might be > over as some light snow has fallen making searching quite > difficult. > The good news is they were able to get permission to hunt > on some > private property and have found a few smaller pieces. They > would like > to offer them up to Canadian residents only as they would > need > permission to export them out of the country. So if you > live in Canada > and would like to purchase one they have three pieces > weighing 10-25 > grams. The selling price is $50 per gram. They will be > leaving within > 12 hours so if you are interested in buying one please > email McCartney > ASAP so he can ship them before he leaves the country. > He will have access to the internet later tonight so please > email him > your request. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Mike > > > Mike Jensen Meteorites > 16730 E Ada PL > Aurora, CO 80017-3137 > USA > 720-949-6220 > IMCA 4264 > website: www.jensenmeteorites.com > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Hi All I am posting this for McCartney Taylor who has no access to the internet right now. He and Sonny have been hunting for pieces of the new Canadian fall. He said that about 90% of the strewnfield is impossible to hunt as Alan Hildebrand has secured it for his teams to hunt. McCartney also mentioned that people from all around the area are hunting on private property without permission. Most of that might be over as some light snow has fallen making searching quite difficult. The good news is they were able to get permission to hunt on some private property and have found a few smaller pieces. They would like to offer them up to Canadian residents only as they would need permission to export them out of the country. So if you live in Canada and would like to purchase one they have three pieces weighing 10-25 grams. The selling price is $50 per gram. They will be leaving within 12 hours so if you are interested in buying one please email McCartney ASAP so he can ship them before he leaves the country. He will have access to the internet later tonight so please email him your request. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 5, 2008
The pic looks like a great background or screen saver! Have a great day Steve --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Jerry Flaherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jerry Flaherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December > 5, 2008 > To: "Michael Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Meteorite List" > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 10:20 AM > absolute chondrule city. > - Original Message - From: "Michael > Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Meteorite List" > > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:39 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the > Day - December 5, 2008 > > > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_5_2008.html > > > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 5, 2008
absolute chondrule city. - Original Message - From: "Michael Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 5, 2008 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_5_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on new Canadian meteorite
Hi All Here is a excellent narrative about the recovery of the original stones, the 13 kg stone, and a couple of new ones. http://skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/meteorite.htm Make sure you go all the way to the bottom of the page. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 5, 2008
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04)
This was Santa Anne in her glowing rednosed-reindeer-driven, ecologically absolutely uncritical flying drop-top, infatigably anxious to provide all her clients with heavenly objects in accurate SST (Santa Standard Time). Matthias - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04) Looks like a listmember is getting some nice press... and that someone is throwing a lot of space rocks at the earth lately ... http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18208878/detail.html Meteor Brightens Night Sky Fireball Spotted Across Front Range POSTED: 9:44 pm MST December 4, 2008 UPDATED: 11:02 pm MST December 4, 2008 DENVER -- Reports are coming in from all around Colorado about a bright object in the sky on Thursday night. Chris Peterson, astronomer at Cloudbait Observatory in Guffey, Colo., said he is receiving credible reports of the object pointing to a spectacular meteor display. The celestial spectacle occurred at around 8:43 p.m. Peterson said is happened about 60 to 70 degrees above the horizon, going from a west to east direction. By the trajectory and perceived proximity, Peterson estimated the meteor landed in the eastern part of the state. Denver and Aurora emergency crews were sent on several wild goose chases of the impact of the meteor. The reports ranged from Monaco Parkway and Hampden Avenue in Denver, all the way to 32nd Avenue and Airport Way in Aurora, to east of Denver International Airport. Eyewitness reports have come trickling in from as far away as Fairplay in Park County, to Estes Park, to Aspen Park in rural Jefferson County. Denver International Airport spokesman Jeff Green said air traffic controllers have reported heavy meteor activity the past few nights. Also Green confirmed it was not an aircraft in distress that was streaking across the sky. If you saw a meteor in the Thursday night sky, report it to the All Sky Network and the Cloudbait Observatory. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Brightens Night Sky (Denver 2008.12.04)
Looks like a listmember is getting some nice press... and that someone is throwing a lot of space rocks at the earth lately ... http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18208878/detail.html Meteor Brightens Night Sky Fireball Spotted Across Front Range POSTED: 9:44 pm MST December 4, 2008 UPDATED: 11:02 pm MST December 4, 2008 DENVER -- Reports are coming in from all around Colorado about a bright object in the sky on Thursday night. Chris Peterson, astronomer at Cloudbait Observatory in Guffey, Colo., said he is receiving credible reports of the object pointing to a spectacular meteor display. The celestial spectacle occurred at around 8:43 p.m. Peterson said is happened about 60 to 70 degrees above the horizon, going from a west to east direction. By the trajectory and perceived proximity, Peterson estimated the meteor landed in the eastern part of the state. Denver and Aurora emergency crews were sent on several wild goose chases of the impact of the meteor. The reports ranged from Monaco Parkway and Hampden Avenue in Denver, all the way to 32nd Avenue and Airport Way in Aurora, to east of Denver International Airport. Eyewitness reports have come trickling in from as far away as Fairplay in Park County, to Estes Park, to Aspen Park in rural Jefferson County. Denver International Airport spokesman Jeff Green said air traffic controllers have reported heavy meteor activity the past few nights. Also Green confirmed it was not an aircraft in distress that was streaking across the sky. If you saw a meteor in the Thursday night sky, report it to the All Sky Network and the Cloudbait Observatory. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
