[meteorite-list] Portales Valley slice -ebay AD
Hi folks, the last few hours for the 29g full slice of PV... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=270310190635 thanks dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS. www.bimsociety.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Unfortunately, a 2 gram piece for $100- today will probably sell on ebay for $10- next August. That is my prediction. Don Rawlings --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Don Merchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Don Merchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: "Don Merchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 2:58 AM > I wanted to add my 2 cents to this..well actually my > $50.00 to this post for the new Canadian Meteorite for Sale. > One of the must categories I like to a collect in my > collection are Recent or New Witnessed Falls, even if their > not Hammers. A Meteorite being New /Recent/Witnessed and > sharing the World Major News Stories carries a more desire > for me to want a part of that history!! So with that said if > anyone comes across a 1 gm or 2 gm piece or can relay this > email to a reputable source willing to sell this meteorite > to me for $50 a gm for 1 to 2 grams, have them please > contact me ASAP. I will make an official request for this > meteorite here and now. My feeling is that this offer will > not be accepted anytime soon. Why? Because when something > new comes along it seems the price is usually put higher > then it should be at first regardless of it's > composition. Yes you will get buyers willing at any cost to > have a piece and there's nothing wrong with > sellers/dealers making a few bucks for the work/efforts > involved, I understand and accept this. But... to control > the price the true power is in the Buyers. If the Buyers > don't buy at that set price then eventually it is > lowered until Buyers will buy. There really is truth in the > power of numbers, meaning if all us collectors stick > together and do not buy, the price will eventually come > down. A dealer can say well heck with it I'll keep it in > my collection but...sooner then later that dealer will have > a big collection and no revenue which will eventually lead > to a real IMPACT financially that the dealer wants no part > of, especially in his/her collection! So I'm not gonna > save face here.. lol I am a collector with a love for this > hobby and weakness for this hobby. I figure if I can get > this meteorite for $50 a gm now, I would be saving money > instead of my passion for meteorites corrupting my common > sense to hold off until prices drop. I always seem to allow > my self to get lured in like a B-ass because I'm weak, I > need it, I want it, I can't wait lol! I know many of you > out there feel my PAIN!! So.I have $100 set aside for a > 2 gm. piece for the first legit seller to contact me for the > exchange! I will keep all of you posted on this offer and > how long it takes! By the way I meant no offence in this > email to ANY Collector, Seller or Dealer in any way shape or > form, I can only say just get that 2 gm. piece to me NOW!! > lol > Sincerely > Don Merchant > IMCA #0960 > - Original Message - From: "Michael > Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: ; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for > sale > > > > I am not sure the discussion really centers on their > asking price of $50.00 gram. It sort of morphed from > Canadian Government buying price to retail price, to initial > price etc. Someone suggested a piece be sold on eBay to set > the price. Well, that was done with Cali and Puerto Lapice, > and the price was very high. But eBay will never set a > price. Show me 50 Sikhote-Alin auctions and I will show you > 50 different gram prices for Sikhote-Alin. > > My part in this is simply to sort of separate why some > recent falls set record prices, and others seem to be down > to earth, and where the Canada fall will likely end up. I > sure do hope there is a lot, I want to find some and sell > some and buy some, and the more material, the better for > all. Canada can be happy, there will be room for both > scientists and collectors to get their fill. > > > > Michael Farmer > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > Meteorite for sale > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 7:32 PM > >> All, > >> > >> I agree that this probably will sell for much > lower in the > >> future...well at > >> least I hope Supply and Demand will allow the > prices to > >> come down later > >> because a lot of it to comes on the market. > >> > >> But we should keep something else in mind here: I > don't > >> know how much TKW > >> Sonny and McCartney personally found on their > trip, but it > >> is entirely possible > >> that they simply don't want to sell much if > any. Maybe > >> they are thinking > >> "Hey, if someone wants these bad enough, we > will let > >> them
[meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
For the Americans and other non-Canadians emailing me, you all need to wait. We've got a Canadian colleague applying for customs paperwork next week. This will hold our material in Canada for several months as the Canadian Institutions will have an option to buy our material. Worst case should be 6 months. IMCA 2760 -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new canadian fall
I just want to give a nice plug to mac and sonny for doing such a great job giving us these news updates of this fall.But sure as we are all human,I know how people sometimes work,I bet there will some surfacing in tucson,2009.Just wait and see.Again way to go the 2 diligent meteorite hunters for giving these great updates. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Denver Meteor Fireball
Hi List Thanks to Denny Asher who pointed me to this spectacular news story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-NTr4cc04 Here I am at Portalas headed south for the winter instead of home in Colorado. Larry Sloan __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Denver Meteor Fireball
While the video is spectacular, this wasn't a meteor. It was a reentering Soyuz rocket body on January 4, 2007. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Larry Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Denver Meteor Fireball Hi List Thanks to Denny Asher who pointed me to this spectacular news story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH-NTr4cc04 Here I am at Portalas headed south for the winter instead of home in Colorado. Larry Sloan __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another huge Colorado fireball- and I mean huge
Sorry to disturb Mike Farmer, who's probably still in the wrong place, but I recorded my brightest ever fireball early this morning. I estimate it was magnitude -18, at least 100 times brighter than the full Moon. It exploded near Colorado Springs. I don't have much information yet, but the raw information and video is at http://www.cloudbait.com/meteor/data.php?recnum=24710 . It was a dark night; all the sky lighting and horizon silhouettes are caused by the meteor exploding. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] -- SPAM -- Re: Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
My observation concerning new falls IPO is simple - there are some folks that the new material and they want it now. They are willing to pay the higher price. Those who wait usually...and I emphasize "usually" will get it at a much lower price. The two keys are timing and some good luck. John At 07:32 PM 12/5/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I agree that this probably will sell for much lower in the future...well at least I hope Supply and Demand will allow the prices to come down later because a lot of it to comes on the market. But we should keep something else in mind here: I don't know how much TKW Sonny and McCartney personally found on their trip, but it is entirely possible that they simply don't want to sell much if any. Maybe they are thinking "Hey, if someone wants these bad enough, we will let them go." If no one wants them bad enough, they might just be happy to retain the ownership for the long haul. If they hold on, and later tons hit the market, maybe they will drop their asking price. If later the values go up, then maybe they will raise their prices. Just because they are asking a certain prices doesn't really mean that is what it is worth it to the rest of the world, maybe that is just what it is worth to them? Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorite.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee? Please let that be the name!
http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/third_page/story.html?id=d566c1a9-e9b6-4941-86b4-d3996a3e0620 Some great columns are best left unwritten Les MacPherson The StarPhoenix Saturday, December 06, 2008 Some of my favourite newspaper columns are the ones I didn't write. Consider, for example, the column I recently didn't write about the great meteorite, the disintegrated remains of which spectacularly fell to Earth the other week near Lloydminster. Scientists and treasure hunters by the hundreds promptly descended on the remote scene in hopes of finding fragments. By triangulating independent observations of the fireball, they reportedly had narrowed down the search area to about 10 square miles. Even so, I doubted they'd find so much as a particle. Ten square miles is a vast area to search for bits of blackened rock. In an area that size, you'd be lucky to find your way back to the car. It didn't help the fields would mostly be covered in stubble, pasture and bush and strewn with innumerable stones that are not meteorites. If you shanked a $5 golf ball into this stuff, you wouldn't bother to look for it. This, to me, is familiar territory. I have spent long hours combing exactly this kind of terrain for partridge or prairie chicken I've shot. In that case, the search area is just a few square yards and, still, a downed bird is exceedingly difficult to find. You have to almost step on it before you can see the thing. Finding fragments of a meteorite would be much more difficult, I thought. They'd be buried in the dirt like spent bullets, concealed under shrubbery and scattered among countless, look-alike stones blackened, not by a meteoric fusion crust, but by prairie dirt. You might as well try and pick fly specks out of pepper. My intention was to write a column expressing condolences for the meteorite hunters who were wasting their time. I would compare them to the dreamers who since the 1960s have fruitlessly scanned the airwaves for signals from space aliens. It's a bit sad to think of them waiting by the phone for 40 years. If they ever do get the call, they should let it ring a few times before answering so the aliens won't think they were waiting by the phone. I also meant to invoke in my column the equally fruitless search for life on Mars, still unconfirmed after dozens of unmanned spacecraft have flown by, orbited or landed on the inhospitable planet. Undismayed by the succession of dry holes, space agencies are planning further missions to seek out life on Mars. These would be the same kind of people who would scour the Earth to find an errant golf ball, no matter how long it takes. You have to admire their perseverance, so long as you're not playing behind them. My meteorite column would also make mention of the inauspicious omens. The area where it landed, for instance, is known as Buzzard Coulee. No successful project has ever been associated with a buzzard. I only hoped no searchers would get lost and find out why it's called Buzzard Coulee. I was just sitting down to chronicle the futility at Buzzard Coulee when all hell broke loose in Ottawa. Now preoccupied by a keystone coalition trying to hijack a government that Canadians just elected, I dropped the supercilious meteorite column in favour of indignant political commentary. Thus was I spared the profound embarrassment of predicting in print on the very day the first fragments were found that no fragment would ever be found. The first piece reportedly was discovered by a student with a team from the University of Calgary, who saw it embedded in pond ice. Pure luck, I thought at first. Even a blind hog occasionally finds an acorn. Except it wasn't luck. Searchers have since gathered more than 70 pieces, ranging in size from pea gravel to chunks as big as a soccer ball. What I haven't heard yet is of anyone who was searching and hasn't found a piece. That said, you have to wonder how many undistinguished field stones will be displayed on fireplace mantles as fragments of the famous Buzzard Coulee meteorite. Astronomers say it probably originated in the rocky asteroid belt between the orbits of Jupiter and Mars. Likely the 10-ton space rock was pulled out of orbit by Jupiter's gravity and then sent on a new trajectory that eventually intersected with Buzzard Coulee. What I'd like to know now is why no one saw it coming. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
I think the next time the U.S. has another significant fall (..like Park Forest), American collectors and instituntions should have first dibs on the material. You know, a good 3-6 month head start over non-Americans. I still don't have a nice piece for my collection, and I was in Park Forest for 2-3 days! I'll bet there are plently of other collectors who will agree with me on this one. Ryan "For the Americans and other non-Canadians emailing me, you all need to wait. We've got a Canadian colleague applying for customs paperwork next week. This will hold our material in Canada for several months as the Canadian Institutions will have an option to buy our material. Worst case should be 6 months. IMCA 2760 -mt" __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
Also, I just want to make notice that I did not, and have not contacted McCartney or Sonny in regards to acquiring a piece of this new fall. Laws are laws people, whether you agree with them or not. Ryan __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
Ryan, I'm not sure I understand your logic here. If you wished American Institutions would care enough to pay a fair retail price to the legal owners of new meteorites, then I think we would all agree with you. But America has the principles of freedom and property rights that go strongly against confiscation laws. I think the ACLU would even consider stepping in if such a law would be proposed. When I find anything that I think a museum or a research collection would like, either to purchase or to trade for, I eagerly approach them at the start. But most take so long to reply, or don't reply at all. Some do, but express that they are not interested. And then occasionally some do reply wanting to make a trade. But unlike in Canada, here in the States a very tiny percentage of institutions will pay cash for anything. And due to some of the red tape that is involved with some places, I would LOVE it if the transaction could happen in less than 6 months time. I think hoping for any bureaucracy to do anything in as little as 3 months is a bit overoptimistic. And I am not sure how if US institutions would have had first dibs on buying any and all of the Park Forest specimens found would have helped YOU get a Park Forest specimen for your collection? In fact, during your 2-3 days in Park Forest IF you had found something, and the government confiscated it from you, and paid you $1/g or $5/g or $20/g or whatever they determined was fair, my guess is that you probably would not like the idea so much. Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com In a message dated 12/6/2008 11:34:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the next time the U.S. has another significant fall (..like Park Forest), American collectors and instituntions should have first dibs on the material. You know, a good 3-6 month head start over non-Americans. I still don't have a nice piece for my collection, and I was in Park Forest for 2-3 days! I'll bet there are plently of other collectors who will agree with me on this one. Ryan **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
Ryan, There is no law in Canada that you can't contact McCartney or Sonny. In fact, you are free to buy whatever you want from them. The export laws only affect exporting of the specimens. No one has suggested that you can't own one of the rocks McCartney or Sonny found. You just can't take it (or ship it) over the border without first getting an export permit. Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com In a message dated 12/6/2008 12:01:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, I just want to make notice that I did not, and have not contacted McCartney or Sonny in regards to acquiring a piece of this new fall. Laws are laws people, whether you agree with them or not. Ryan **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
Yes, and that will take 3-6 months, so why even bother contacting them now? At this time next year pieces will be able to be obtained at a more realistic price, so you'll be better off waiting anyhow. And do you really think I beleive that none of it will get smuggled across that border into the U.S.? Like McCartney said... "you all need to wait." "Ryan, There is no law in Canada that you can't contact McCartney or Sonny. In fact, you are free to buy whatever you want from them. The export laws only affect exporting of the specimens. No one has suggested that you can't own one of the rocks McCartney or Sonny found. You just can't take it (or ship it) over the border without first getting an export permit. Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com" __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
Perhaps I should have left out the word "Institutions". My intent was to discuss the acquisition by private collectors only, being that Institutions clearly have an unequal advantage when it comes to acquiring fresh falls. More so in Canada as opposed to the U.S., however. But when the government steps in and confiscates, thats just communistic. -Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Dec 6, 2008 12:02 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait > >Ryan, > >I'm not sure I understand your logic here. > >If you wished American Institutions would care enough to pay a fair retail >price to the legal owners of new meteorites, then I think we would all agree >with you. > >But America has the principles of freedom and property rights that go >strongly against confiscation laws. I think the ACLU would even consider >stepping >in if such a law would be proposed. > >When I find anything that I think a museum or a research collection would >like, either to purchase or to trade for, I eagerly approach them at the >start. > But most take so long to reply, or don't reply at all. Some do, but >express that they are not interested. And then occasionally some do reply >wanting >to make a trade. But unlike in Canada, here in the States a very tiny >percentage of institutions will pay cash for anything. > >And due to some of the red tape that is involved with some places, I would >LOVE it if the transaction could happen in less than 6 months time. I think >hoping for any bureaucracy to do anything in as little as 3 months is a bit >overoptimistic. > >And I am not sure how if US institutions would have had first dibs on buying >any and all of the Park Forest specimens found would have helped YOU get a >Park Forest specimen for your collection? > >In fact, during your 2-3 days in Park Forest IF you had found something, and >the government confiscated it from you, and paid you $1/g or $5/g or $20/g >or whatever they determined was fair, my guess is that you probably would not >like the idea so much. > >Steve Arnold #1 >www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com > > >In a message dated 12/6/2008 11:34:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I think the next time the U.S. has another significant fall (..like Park >Forest), American collectors and instituntions should have first dibs on the >material. You know, a good 3-6 month head start over non-Americans. I still >don't have a nice piece for my collection, and I was in Park Forest for 2-3 >days! > >I'll bet there are plently of other collectors who will agree with me on >this one. > >Ryan > >**Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and >favorite sites in one place. Try it now. >(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:00:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00), you wrote: >Laws are laws people, whether you agree with them or not. Laws? Canada currently has no government. Its every man for himself! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait
That cracked me up pretty good! Roman Laws? Canada currently has no government. Its every man for himself! - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Canadian Material for Americans has to wait On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:00:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00), you wrote: Laws are laws people, whether you agree with them or not. Laws? Canada currently has no government. Its every man for himself! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oh great market sages, enlighten me!
Hi Folks! I have an opportunity to buy some meteorites from a fellow collector who is looking to free up some cash for Christmas. He has offered me some interesting pieces, and some of them are rare types. My knowledge of market prices on some of these pieces is lacking, so I am appealing to the group to give me some advice on these pieces. Are they a good buy with the intention to keep? (not to resell) 1) NWA 3151 brachinite, .214g "micro slice" for $38 2) NWA 3135 ureilite, 1.1g chunk with crust on one edge for $35 3) NWA 482 lunar, 28mg for $38 4) NWA 998 martian, 32mg piece for $50 I'm mainly interested in the first 3. I already have a 998 specimen, so I will probably pass on that one. Provenance is very good. #3 and #4 are from the Hupe collection, and I think the first 2 are as well, but I'll have to check on that. Thanks! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:16:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the Carancas for example was $100 per gram at first, now it can be had for under $20 per gram. I have read several places that it is only valued at $1 - $10 per gram. I will wait a bit myself. Greg Greg and All, I tend to agree that the price MIGHT drop to $10/g, especially if there is a high degree of rusting on the specimens found later next year. However, there is a chance the Canadians might offer to buy all or most of the ones already found. If the land owners can get a tax credit on $50/g to donate them, everyone up there might be happy to donate them, and at a 50% tax rate, that is the same as getting $25/g cash in hand to the overtaxed Canadians. It sounds like most of the land owners are very wealthy, so money may not mean anything to them. They might donate them all and not even care about a tax break or cash values at all. If only a few kilos make it to the market place, then we could see the value be higher than $10/g. If we seen hundreds of rusty kilos coming onto the market, then we could see the prices end up way below $10/g. In any case, we probably will have to wait for the 6 months to pass to see what is not purchased by the Canadian Government. One thing is sure, if ALL the masses were put on a restricted Canadian only collector market, a few hundred kilos would probably sell for $0.10 a gram or even less. A smart thing might be to buy one specimen from Sonny and McCartney NOW at $50/g and then buy more later at $10/g and if the price goes down to under $1/g then buy so much more that you will have cost averaged your first purchase at $50/g down to a reasonable level. Of course, if you are one of those people that get a rush at owning the newest most famous meteorite that everyone is talking about around the water cooler, then how can you put a value on that??? :-) And also, realize that if you do buy a meteorite from Sonny and McCartney now, you are investing into field recovery. I seriously doubt they will make a profit on this trip even if they sold what little they found at $100/g, but if they can come close to breaking even, maybe next time they will again be able to afford to get on the scene early and find more. And at the very least, we should congratulate them on getting to the scene and making an effort. Good job guys, and congratulations! Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Steve, I am sorry, but your comment than they wont make profit at $50 or even $100 gram made me almost fall out of my chair! Lets see, a kilo at $50 gram = $50,000. Lets say half goes to the landowner, $25000.00 Plane ticket to Edmonton/Calgary/Saskatoon, all three less than $1000 if I want to go today. Rental car for a week, $500.00 Hotels and food for a week, another $800.00. Time, say $2500.00 other expenses, say another $1000 Still leaves over $18000.00 free. Please, what you are saying about values can be true, but lets not get retarded here. At that price some real money will be made for a week in the field. I should know, I have enough international hunts, and this one would be about the cheapest one out there. They deserve it, no question there, just dont try and say no profit will be made, that is a joke I have to call you on. International FALL chases I have done so I think I know about trip expedition expenses. Kendrapara, India Thuathe, Lesotho x 2 Bensour, Morocco Bilanga, Burkina Faso X 2 Berduc, Argentina Cali, colombia x 5 Carancas, Peru Ourique, Portugal Villabeto de la Pena, Spain Puerto Lapice, Spain Moss, Norway Tagish Lake, Canada --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 11:34 AM > In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:16:00 P.M. Central Standard > Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the > Carancas for example was > $100 per gram at first, now it can be had for under $20 > per gram. > I have read several places that it is only valued at $1 - > $10 per gram. I > will wait a bit myself. > > Greg > > > Greg and All, > > I tend to agree that the price MIGHT drop to $10/g, > especially if there is a > high degree of rusting on the specimens found later next > year. > > However, there is a chance the Canadians might offer to > buy all or most of > the ones already found. > > If the land owners can get a tax credit on $50/g to donate > them, everyone up > there might be happy to donate them, and at a 50% tax > rate, that is the same > as getting $25/g cash in hand to the overtaxed Canadians. > > It sounds like most of the land owners are very wealthy, > so money may not > mean anything to them. They might donate them all and not > even care about a > tax break or cash values at all. > > If only a few kilos make it to the market place, then we > could see the value > be higher than $10/g. > > If we seen hundreds of rusty kilos coming onto the market, > then we could see > the prices end up way below $10/g. > > In any case, we probably will have to wait for the 6 months > to pass to see > what is not purchased by the Canadian Government. > > One thing is sure, if ALL the masses were put on a > restricted Canadian only > collector market, a few hundred kilos would probably sell > for $0.10 a gram or > even less. > > A smart thing might be to buy one specimen from Sonny and > McCartney NOW at > $50/g and then buy more later at $10/g and if the price > goes down to under > $1/g then buy so much more that you will have cost averaged > your first purchase > at $50/g down to a reasonable level. > > Of course, if you are one of those people that get a rush > at owning the > newest most famous meteorite that everyone is talking > about around the water > cooler, then how can you put a value on that??? > > :-) > > And also, realize that if you do buy a meteorite from > Sonny and McCartney > now, you are investing into field recovery. I seriously > doubt they will make a > profit on this trip even if they sold what little they > found at $100/g, but > if they can come close to breaking even, maybe next time > they will again be > able to afford to get on the scene early and find more. > > And at the very least, we should congratulate them on > getting to the scene > and making an effort. > > Good job guys, and congratulations! > > Steve Arnold #1 > www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com > > **Make your life easier with all your friends, > email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
In my opinion, from the info I have seen I would be willing to pay more then $10 per gram for fresh material, however I do think $50 is simply too much for what looks to be an ordinary chondrite. I am hopefull that the material will not rust too bad during all this snow, and Im sure plenty of it will be available in Tucson as was metioned by someone else. That said, I would also like to buy a 2 gram or so piece of fresh material, but really would prefer not to pay much more then $20-$25 per gram... to me it would be worth that price, regardless of classification... my little girl keeps asking when I am getting one... This fall like the Carancas really got her interested in meteorites (this one even more) due to the media attention and wide availablitly of video footage. If anyone gets ahold of some and wants to sell or trade for a small sample, please let me know. Greg --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:34 PM > In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:16:00 P.M. Central Standard > Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the > Carancas for example was > $100 per gram at first, now it can be had for under $20 > per gram. > I have read several places that it is only valued at $1 - > $10 per gram. I > will wait a bit myself. > > Greg > > > Greg and All, > > I tend to agree that the price MIGHT drop to $10/g, > especially if there is a > high degree of rusting on the specimens found later next > year. > > However, there is a chance the Canadians might offer to > buy all or most of > the ones already found. > > If the land owners can get a tax credit on $50/g to donate > them, everyone up > there might be happy to donate them, and at a 50% tax > rate, that is the same > as getting $25/g cash in hand to the overtaxed Canadians. > > It sounds like most of the land owners are very wealthy, > so money may not > mean anything to them. They might donate them all and not > even care about a > tax break or cash values at all. > > If only a few kilos make it to the market place, then we > could see the value > be higher than $10/g. > > If we seen hundreds of rusty kilos coming onto the market, > then we could see > the prices end up way below $10/g. > > In any case, we probably will have to wait for the 6 months > to pass to see > what is not purchased by the Canadian Government. > > One thing is sure, if ALL the masses were put on a > restricted Canadian only > collector market, a few hundred kilos would probably sell > for $0.10 a gram or > even less. > > A smart thing might be to buy one specimen from Sonny and > McCartney NOW at > $50/g and then buy more later at $10/g and if the price > goes down to under > $1/g then buy so much more that you will have cost averaged > your first purchase > at $50/g down to a reasonable level. > > Of course, if you are one of those people that get a rush > at owning the > newest most famous meteorite that everyone is talking > about around the water > cooler, then how can you put a value on that??? > > :-) > > And also, realize that if you do buy a meteorite from > Sonny and McCartney > now, you are investing into field recovery. I seriously > doubt they will make a > profit on this trip even if they sold what little they > found at $100/g, but > if they can come close to breaking even, maybe next time > they will again be > able to afford to get on the scene early and find more. > > And at the very least, we should congratulate them on > getting to the scene > and making an effort. > > Good job guys, and congratulations! > > Steve Arnold #1 > www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com > > **Make your life easier with all your friends, > email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
In a message dated 12/6/2008 4:47:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve, I am sorry, but your comment than they wont make profit at $50 or even $100 gram made me almost fall out of my chair! Lets see, a kilo at $50 gram = $50,000. Lets say half goes to the landowner, $25000.00 I'm sorry Mike, I was not aware they found a kilo's worth and that they got to keep a full half of what they found. I assumed they only had a few (or maybe several) specimens that the two of them were splitting between themselves and selling. However, at $50/g they might only sell 100 grams worth anyway, and at that rate, they would only have $5,000 cash to split BEFORE expenses. While that might not make them too much profit cash wise, it might let them keep some souvenirs for their private collections as mementos of the adventure. Not all dealers/hunters put 100% of what they find into retail inventory. Some do like to hold some things back. Maybe the question should be asked of McCartney and Sonny as to what their logic is for pricing their pieces where they did? Steve **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
I highly doubt it will be in Tucson, if it is then it is illegal, and I would not touch it. India doesnt scare me much, but Canada sent people to Tokyo two years back to look for fossils. They don't play games. I doubt the meteorite will oxidize much, at these temps, there is no more liquid water so they should be perfectly preserved for the most part. Michael Farmer --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Greg Catterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Greg Catterton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 3:56 PM > In my opinion, from the info I have seen I would be willing > to pay more then $10 per gram for fresh material, however I > do think $50 is simply too much for what looks to be an > ordinary chondrite. > I am hopefull that the material will not rust too bad > during all this snow, and Im sure plenty of it will be > available in Tucson as was metioned by someone else. > That said, I would also like to buy a 2 gram or so piece of > fresh material, but really would prefer not to pay much more > then $20-$25 per gram... to me it would be worth that price, > regardless of classification... my little girl keeps asking > when I am getting one... This fall like the Carancas really > got her interested in meteorites (this one even more) due to > the media attention and wide availablitly of video footage. > If anyone gets ahold of some and wants to sell or trade for > a small sample, please let me know. > > > Greg > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian > Meteorite for sale > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 1:34 PM > > In a message dated 12/5/2008 12:16:00 P.M. Central > Standard > > Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I agree 100% on this. $50 per gram is too high, the > > Carancas for example was > > $100 per gram at first, now it can be had for under > $20 > > per gram. > > I have read several places that it is only valued at > $1 - > > $10 per gram. I > > will wait a bit myself. > > > > Greg > > > > > > Greg and All, > > > > I tend to agree that the price MIGHT drop to $10/g, > > especially if there is a > > high degree of rusting on the specimens found later > next > > year. > > > > However, there is a chance the Canadians might offer > to > > buy all or most of > > the ones already found. > > > > If the land owners can get a tax credit on $50/g to > donate > > them, everyone up > > there might be happy to donate them, and at a 50% tax > > rate, that is the same > > as getting $25/g cash in hand to the overtaxed > Canadians. > > > > It sounds like most of the land owners are very > wealthy, > > so money may not > > mean anything to them. They might donate them all > and not > > even care about a > > tax break or cash values at all. > > > > If only a few kilos make it to the market place, then > we > > could see the value > > be higher than $10/g. > > > > If we seen hundreds of rusty kilos coming onto the > market, > > then we could see > > the prices end up way below $10/g. > > > > In any case, we probably will have to wait for the 6 > months > > to pass to see > > what is not purchased by the Canadian Government. > > > > One thing is sure, if ALL the masses were put on a > > restricted Canadian only > > collector market, a few hundred kilos would probably > sell > > for $0.10 a gram or > > even less. > > > > A smart thing might be to buy one specimen from Sonny > and > > McCartney NOW at > > $50/g and then buy more later at $10/g and if the > price > > goes down to under > > $1/g then buy so much more that you will have cost > averaged > > your first purchase > > at $50/g down to a reasonable level. > > > > Of course, if you are one of those people that get a > rush > > at owning the > > newest most famous meteorite that everyone is talking > > about around the water > > cooler, then how can you put a value on that??? > > > > :-) > > > > And also, realize that if you do buy a meteorite from > > Sonny and McCartney > > now, you are investing into field recovery. I > seriously > > doubt they will make a > > profit on this trip even if they sold what little > they > > found at $100/g, but > > if they can come close to breaking even, maybe next > time > > they will again be > > able to afford to get on the scene early and find > more. > > > > And at the very least, we should congratulate them on > > getting to the scene > > and making an effort. > > > > Good job guys, and congratulations! > > > > Steve Arnold #1 > > www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com > > > > **Make your life easier with all your > friends, > > email, and > > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > > > (http://www
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
In a message dated 12/6/2008 5:01:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I highly doubt it will be in Tucson, if it is then it is illegal, and I would not touch it. India doesnt scare me much, but Canada sent people to Tokyo two years back to look for fossils. They don't play games. I doubt the meteorite will oxidize much, at these temps, there is no more liquid water so they should be perfectly preserved for the most part. Michael Farmer *** All, Richard Herd, from the Canadian National Collection has been known in years past for going around to all of the meteorite dealer's rooms in Tucson looking for illegally exported Canadian Meteorites. I don't think he has ever found any, and if he did, I am not sure what legal recourse could be taken. But I doubt he would be taking the time to look if there wasn't something they could do if he got lucky. If there is anything for sale in Tucson, it will probably be under the tightest of secrecy, and I doubt any dealer would offer a C.O.A. specimen ID card with them, thus the provenance would be lost, and you might as well be buying a Juanchenge. Now, you might find some local Canadians finders, who might find it worthwhile to smuggle specimens over the border who might show up in Tucson, eh? Some deals out of the trunk of a rental car might go down in the parking lots, since someone not in the business, without a reputation to risk, might want to dump some cheap for some fast cash. But don't expect any in Michael Blood's auction. Again, with no documentation, and no export permits, I doubt many collectors will want to pay even 20% of a legit retail value. If they are going to be selling for $10/g later, MAYBE someone would pay $2/g for illegal booty, but I doubt it. Why? Unless one has a morbid desire to "stick it" to the Canadians, there would be little satisfaction since one couldn't tell anyone about it. OK, on second thought, there might be a few people who would want to "stick it to the Canadians" so maybe $3/g might be possible in the back alley's of the wild west of Tucson... :-) However, we are maybe more likely to see the new Canadian rocks being sold as some totally other fall. What if all of a sudden we see (North North American) NNA 001 and NNA 002 specimens submitted for classification with vague find coordinates??? I think the Nomenclature Committee is on record as saying they are NOT in the business to police the various nation's meteorite laws. It will be interesting if the Canadians would have more clout in making a case than the Algerian or Libyan's have been able to in getting that policy changed. I think the legal export papers, showing legal title, will add a substantial value to the rocks if and when they are allowed to come out. Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Speaking of illegal Meteorites...
Hey Guys, All this talk about meteorites not being able to come out of Canada has me thinking... Argentina is known to come down hard on illegal fossil dealers at Tucson recently. Is there going to be a shortage of Campos this year at Tucson since the new laws came into effect in Argentina? If so, are we going to see a huge spike in their values? I don't know how much Campo material has moved each year for the last decade or so, but it has to be a very large amount. A strong Supply has kept the prices relatively low in the near past, but if all that is all of a sudden cut off, wow... Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
In a message dated 12/6/2008 5:31:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt the meteorite will oxidize much, at these temps, there is no more liquid water so they should be perfectly preserved for the most part. Michael Farmer * Good Point Mike, Then again, if there is a lot of snow, and the ground gets real soggy when it melts off, rust could set in fairly quick. Especially if these would be H chondrites. Also, if there are strong rains in the spring that help melt off the snow, it could submerge some of these guys in water for some time. I know it only took one rainfall at Park Forest and rust was already appearing on some of the specimens almost immediately. Does anyone know how many feet of snow they get up there each winter? Do they get much rain in the spring? You know, one downfall is that if it takes waiting until May for the snow to all melt, then there would be the 6 month wait on those finds before they could get export permits, it could this time next year before any of these hit the market. The good thing, is that in a full year's time, we should have a much better idea on what a fair market value would be. So people don't have to worry too much about risking paying too much when they hit the market. Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of illegal Meteorites...
I am thinking that there will be a increase in Campo prices due to the new laws. Another illegal meteorite, Berduc... It is widely available for sale on places like Ebay and a few dealers also offer it online. Not too long ago someone from the Metlist offered it in a rather discrete fashion - if anyone tried to save the video clip like I did, you know what Im talking about - it was also offered at the Bonhams auction. I honestly think that the legal status doesnt matter to most private collectors, it only really effects the dealers who would aquire it to sell it. Myself, as mainly a collector feel that nobody would come kicking in my door for owning a sample of this new canadian fall, Berduc or any other meteorite that is not aloowed to be exported... there are too many bigger issues to deal with. --- On Sat, 12/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Speaking of illegal Meteorites... > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:37 PM > Hey Guys, > > All this talk about meteorites not being able to come out > of Canada has me > thinking... > > Argentina is known to come down hard on illegal fossil > dealers at Tucson > recently. > > Is there going to be a shortage of Campos this year at > Tucson since the new > laws came into effect in Argentina? > > If so, are we going to see a huge spike in their values? > > I don't know how much Campo material has moved each > year for the last decade > or so, but it has to be a very large amount. A strong > Supply has kept the > prices relatively low in the near past, but if all that is > all of a sudden cut > off, wow... > > Steve Arnold #1 > www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com > > **Make your life easier with all your friends, > email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Speaking of illegal Meteorites...
In a message dated 12/6/2008 6:11:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I honestly think that the legal status doesnt matter to most private collectors, it only really effects the dealers who would aquire it to sell it. I agree, many private collectors might not care, but I think some do. Of course when it comes to legality, and value, if the laws genuinely slow the flow to market of the quantity of a specimen, one can expect the retail prices will reflect that. Steve Arnold www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
--- On Sat, 12/6/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I highly doubt it will be in Tucson, if it is then it is > illegal, and I > would not touch it. India doesnt scare me much, but Canada > sent people to Tokyo > two years back to look for fossils. They don't play > games. > Michael Farmer > And yet, here we find ourselves discussing the availability of this new material. Several times I've joked about our "pirate" status and my fears of being hunted down by Boba Fett. If we are really expecting this stuff to appear illegally, and people to buy it, maybe I was wrong to joke. I worry that the tone of this discussion does not do our interests any favours. I'm going to shut up now. I accuse no-one and anything else I say may be classifed as pontification. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale
Steve and Mike both touched on an interesting point here that I was pondering myself the last couple of days. The material found now will be different to the material found weeks, months and years down the track. I didn't realise how much a fall can vary until "Amgala" (Oum Dreyga). I purchased a 15g individual from Mike Farmer from his very first batch of about 1kg. I believe these were about the first stones picked up. I paid about $10/g and it was worth every cent. I have several other Oum Dreyga specimens from numerous sources and NONE come even close to the first 15g which looks like soot would rub off on your hands. In fact no other recent fall I have appears as fresh as this stone. Two other recent falls that come immediately to mind with vast differences in weathering are Park Forest and Moss. So maybe $50/g is high but maybe it's also not so bad considering what the other stones 'might' be like down the track. You can also speculate all you like but there are so many factors which will dictate the price of a fall. And I don't think you can really compare one with another. Comparing this Canadian fall with Carancas is probably not a good measure at all. They are two totally different falls with two totally different stories. The most important thing to remember about the 'value' of a meteorite (or anything for that matter) is that it is only worth what someone is willing to pay. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Canadian Meteorite for sale Greg and All, I tend to agree that the price MIGHT drop to $10/g, especially if there is a high degree of rusting on the specimens found later next year. However, there is a chance the Canadians might offer to buy all or most of the ones already found. If the land owners can get a tax credit on $50/g to donate them, everyone up there might be happy to donate them, and at a 50% tax rate, that is the same as getting $25/g cash in hand to the overtaxed Canadians. It sounds like most of the land owners are very wealthy, so money may not mean anything to them. They might donate them all and not even care about a tax break or cash values at all. If only a few kilos make it to the market place, then we could see the value be higher than $10/g. If we seen hundreds of rusty kilos coming onto the market, then we could see the prices end up way below $10/g. In any case, we probably will have to wait for the 6 months to pass to see what is not purchased by the Canadian Government. One thing is sure, if ALL the masses were put on a restricted Canadian only collector market, a few hundred kilos would probably sell for $0.10 a gram or even less. A smart thing might be to buy one specimen from Sonny and McCartney NOW at $50/g and then buy more later at $10/g and if the price goes down to under $1/g then buy so much more that you will have cost averaged your first purchase at $50/g down to a reasonable level. Of course, if you are one of those people that get a rush at owning the newest most famous meteorite that everyone is talking about around the water cooler, then how can you put a value on that??? :-) And also, realize that if you do buy a meteorite from Sonny and McCartney now, you are investing into field recovery. I seriously doubt they will make a profit on this trip even if they sold what little they found at $100/g, but if they can come close to breaking even, maybe next time they will again be able to afford to get on the scene early and find more. And at the very least, we should congratulate them on getting to the scene and making an effort. Good job guys, and congratulations! Steve Arnold #1 www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
