[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 14, 2008
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
Greetings List Members, It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want to advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by both not returning money to them after promising to do so and also misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first email message about him. Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious problems with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a number of the problems that have been posted over the list for a number of years. http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evansdomains=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=sa=Search+the+Archives I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans. His unprofessionalism is a joke. Ryan Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting a penny back from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way BobI'm 22 years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving you a warm welcome. Ryan Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc. Mauro Daniel McCartney and List, Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$ constitute a Felony in Texas? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts Thank you McCartney for your post to the list. Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo mccartney mccartney at blackbearddata.com wrote: As a member of IMCA, I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to avoid entanglements from questionable persons. On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the story... After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more months to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond. I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't going to finish the trade. I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to avoid being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they served him successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he show in court. He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him. He now joins Mr. Casper in the hall of Shame. Its my character flaw to be an overyly trusting guy. I have traded with people from South Africa to West Texas, Poland to Alaska. Never had a problem. On the whole the average meteorite fan is a fair, wholesome, science loving, respectable person. I encourage all of you to trade with your peers on this list, but do a little homework on your partner first to weed out the Caspers and Bob Evans's. Last word, the meteorite community is a small sand box - Remember to play nice. -mt IMCA 2760 Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA junk. This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. McCartney Taylor Dear List, This is a public warning to Bob Evans to
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
Al, Never heard of Mauro Daniel. Sent money, no material ? Thats a joke. Look at my feedback. A clown like this doesnt even know who he dealt with Ryan is a little self centered brat who blew off a deal with me. McCartney and I had a deal go bad that we are to this day trying to reconcile. Misrepresent ? Never ! NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market. As for you Al, You never bought a single item from me, have you? So if you have a problem with me I suggest that you take it up with me face to face and stop hiding behind that monitor you little P***Y - Original Message - From: al mitterling alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate Greetings List Members, It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want to advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by both not returning money to them after promising to do so and also misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first email message about him. Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious problems with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a number of the problems that have been posted over the list for a number of years. http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evansdomains=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=sa=Search+the+Archives I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans. His unprofessionalism is a joke. Ryan Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting a penny back from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way BobI'm 22 years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving you a warm welcome. Ryan Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc. Mauro Daniel McCartney and List, Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$ constitute a Felony in Texas? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts Thank you McCartney for your post to the list. Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo mccartney mccartney at blackbearddata.com wrote: As a member of IMCA, I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to avoid entanglements from questionable persons. On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the story... After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more months to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond. I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't going to finish the trade. I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to avoid being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they served him successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he show in court. He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him. He now joins Mr. Casper in the hall of Shame. Its my character flaw to be an overyly trusting guy. I have traded with people from South Africa to West Texas, Poland to Alaska. Never had a problem. On the whole the average meteorite fan is a fair, wholesome, science loving, respectable person. I encourage all of you to trade with your peers on this list, but do a little homework on your partner first to weed out the Caspers and Bob Evans's. Last word, the meteorite community is a small sand box - Remember to play nice. -mt IMCA 2760 Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to
Re: [meteorite-list] iridium flares?
In the future go to http://www.heavens-above.com create a free log-in if you do not already have one, enter your location ( by any of several means) then go to Iridium Flare Forecast. You may work back or forward for a few days to see in what direction and for what times a flare might be visible. This also works for satellites and the ISS including the ISS Toolbag--PLUS the Shuttle Orbiter when aloft. Yes flares are usually seen in afternoon and early morning when closer to the horizon; Anytime the solar panels form an angle of incidence that directs sunlight to your location. That is, flares occur continuously but we only observe them when we are at the right location for the light to come our way. Elton --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Jerry Flaherty g...@verizon.net wrote: Are Iridium flares customarily visible in the daytime. What I saw this afternoon in the southwest was possibly an aircraft but because it varied in brightness so intensely and remained motionless for the 10 to 15 seconds I observed it, I thought Flare?! Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTN: ART JONES AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
Art, What process is in place to remove this kind of garbage from the list? One can rent Groundhog Day for a much lighter story with the same effect, and I won't bother going through the well-placed and well-established broken list rules here again. I'm not referring to Al Mitterling, by the way... Thanks in advance, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob Evans Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:36 AM To: al mitterling Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate Al, Never heard of Mauro Daniel. Sent money, no material ? Thats a joke. Look at my feedback. A clown like this doesnt even know who he dealt with Ryan is a little self centered brat who blew off a deal with me. McCartney and I had a deal go bad that we are to this day trying to reconcile. Misrepresent ? Never ! NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market. As for you Al, You never bought a single item from me, have you? So if you have a problem with me I suggest that you take it up with me face to face and stop hiding behind that monitor you little P***Y - Original Message - From: al mitterling alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate Greetings List Members, It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want to advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by both not returning money to them after promising to do so and also misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first email message about him. Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious problems with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a number of the problems that have been posted over the list for a number of years. http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evansdomains=six.pairlist.netsitesearch =six.pairlist.netsitesearch=sa=Search+the+Archives I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans. His unprofessionalism is a joke. Ryan Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting a penny back from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way BobI'm 22 years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving you a warm welcome. Ryan Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc. Mauro Daniel McCartney and List, Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$ constitute a Felony in Texas? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts Thank you McCartney for your post to the list. Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo mccartney mccartney at blackbearddata.com wrote: As a member of IMCA, I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to avoid entanglements from questionable persons. On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the story... After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more months to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond. I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't going to finish the trade. I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to avoid being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they served him successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he show in court. He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him. He now joins Mr. Casper in the hall of Shame. Its my character flaw to be an overyly trusting guy. I have traded with people from South Africa to West Texas, Poland to Alaska. Never
[meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the long run. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the long run. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
I know this community is not set up as a democracy, but I as a list member feel that I am condoning bad conduct if it is allowed to take place in my community without a very loud voice against it. In this case I think there has been enough brought to light on the subject to remove the offending person. If we do not then we are saying let his voice be heard, and by allowing it in our midst we say (by our actions or lack of it) that his voice speaks the truth. I don't even know if Bob is still on this list, but I feel he should not be allowed to post if he is still here. So I will cast that vote that I really don't have and say Art please remove this very questionable seller of maybes. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:30 AM, al mitterling alm...@kconline.com wrote: Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the long run. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: al mitterling alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate Greetings List Members, It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want to advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by both not returning money to them after promising to do so and also misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first email message about him. Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious problems with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a number of the problems that have been posted over the list for a number of years. http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evansdomains=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=sa=Search+the+Archives I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans. His unprofessionalism is a joke. Ryan Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting a penny back from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way BobI'm 22 years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving you a warm welcome. Ryan Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc. Mauro Daniel McCartney and List, Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$ constitute a Felony in Texas? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts Thank you McCartney for your post to the list. Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo mccartney mccartney at blackbearddata.com wrote: As a member of IMCA, I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to avoid entanglements from questionable persons. On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the story... After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more months to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond. I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't going to finish the trade. I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to avoid being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they served him successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he show in court. He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him. He now joins Mr. Casper in the hall of Shame. Its my character flaw to be an overyly trusting guy. I have traded with people from South Africa to West Texas, Poland to Alaska. Never had a problem. On the whole the average meteorite fan is a fair, wholesome, science loving, respectable person. I encourage all of you to trade with your peers on this list, but do a little homework on your partner
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Everyone in the meteorite community is affected in a negative way by people like Bob. By not speaking up it can appear that his disreputable and illegal behavior is condoned by his peers. Yes, that's right, his peers. Until you stand up and openly condemn this unacceptable behavior, that is what you and I are. Best, John At 10:04 AM 12/14/2008, Mike Miller wrote: I know this community is not set up as a democracy, but I as a list member feel that I am condoning bad conduct if it is allowed to take place in my community without a very loud voice against it. In this case I think there has been enough brought to light on the subject to remove the offending person. If we do not then we are saying let his voice be heard, and by allowing it in our midst we say (by our actions or lack of it) that his voice speaks the truth. I don't even know if Bob is still on this list, but I feel he should not be allowed to post if he is still here. So I will cast that vote that I really don't have and say Art please remove this very questionable seller of maybes. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:30 AM, al mitterling alm...@kconline.com wrote: Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the long run. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
Open note to Bob Evens, Some time ago I purchased a piece of NWA 1950 from you. Then when it hit the fan for you, I emailed a request for authenticity from you. Actually I sent several emails. Not one response. How can someone buy with confidence from you if you are unwilling (or unable) to show authenticity of the items you sell. The lunar, NWA 1950 is now worthless to me or anyone. It is nothing more then a speck of dirt. Why would you think that anyone in this group would buy from you. You do not seem to even want to work it out. You revert to name calling. That always helps. Griff Floyd Griffith Parker, Colorado, USA - Original Message - From: Bob Evans bobe5...@comcast.net To: al mitterling alm...@kconline.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate Al, Never heard of Mauro Daniel. Sent money, no material ? Thats a joke. Look at my feedback. A clown like this doesnt even know who he dealt with Ryan is a little self centered brat who blew off a deal with me. McCartney and I had a deal go bad that we are to this day trying to reconcile. Misrepresent ? Never ! NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market. As for you Al, You never bought a single item from me, have you? So if you have a problem with me I suggest that you take it up with me face to face and stop hiding behind that monitor you little P***Y - Original Message - From: al mitterling alm...@kconline.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate Greetings List Members, It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want to advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by both not returning money to them after promising to do so and also misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first email message about him. Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious problems with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a number of the problems that have been posted over the list for a number of years. http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evansdomains=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=sa=Search+the+Archives I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans. His unprofessionalism is a joke. Ryan Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting a penny back from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way BobI'm 22 years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving you a warm welcome. Ryan Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc. Mauro Daniel McCartney and List, Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$ constitute a Felony in Texas? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts Thank you McCartney for your post to the list. Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo mccartney mccartney at blackbearddata.com wrote: As a member of IMCA, I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to avoid entanglements from questionable persons. On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the story... After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more months to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond. I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't going to finish the trade. I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to avoid being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they served him successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he show in court. He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him.
[meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
Ryan is a little self centered brat who blew off a deal with me. Bob, I'm not even going to respond to that childish comment. The fact of the matter is, I never did get my money back from you. I know, $125 isn't that much to some people, but I had a part time firefighter postion at the time; not the highest paying job in the world. When you're in that kind of a position at 22 years old, every penny counts. Regards, Ryan Pawelski __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
I agree too, The mentioned person has certainly not the level and the standards, which all other list-members do have and which we all do expect to have from each other. (I remember Stefan had an issue with him too, about an unpaid stone). And especially if I remember, that real fine people sometimes were banned in past for much more marginal reasons, I think it is necessary. Martin, Greetings to Terry! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von al mitterling Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Dezember 2008 17:30 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Dear List, Bob Evans made the following statement which is completely untrue: NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market. My response: Bob took it upon himself to steal NWA numbers from honest dealers in order to promote untested and unproven material. Every piece that I have ever sold with an NWA number originating from The Hupe Collection has been examined by scientists so collectors and researchers know precisely what they are getting. I argue vehemently, as now do some scientists, when dealers use numbers that are not assigned to their stones. This is not only to protect my interests, it is to protect those who have invested in legitimate pieces. In most cases, I have been completely sold out of an item with an NWA number assignment and will continue to point out infractions. Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and that the pieces they purchased have been examined by qualified scientists. Another disturbing note: I have noticed lately that a number of so-called reputable dealers are using approved nomenclature for stones that have never been examined by a qualified research institution. They claim that the Moroccans are providing them with the NWA numbers. Any reputable dealer knows better than to let a Moroccan pass out NWA number assignments and there is no excuse for not having these pieces studied. Dealers using numbers not assigned to their stones only serve to destabilize the market and hurt collectors who have honest specimens with good provenance. On a positive note: Scientists are now quick to point out these indiscretions and this practice is deemed unacceptable. Many scientists are now members of the IMCA which has gone a long way in promoting proper ethics and establishing authenticity. Bob Evans, lacking any sense of a moral compass, is the kind of character that does a lot harm to this great avocation. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Non-paying List Members
Dear List, There are other supposedly reputable list members who will not pay their debts. I have had first hand experience with two of them. My best, Thomas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Helpful
I do not know Bob Evans. I am grateful for the advisories posted on the list as I was about to make a purchase from Mr. Evans and have, without being judgmental, rethought the wisdom of the same. Sincerely / dp __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Hi Al, and All, Even if Bob Evan's tells you where he got his items from you can't bet that it's the truth. Several IMCA members got burned in their dealings with Bob Evans, and we had the doubtful pleasure to investigate quite a few of these cases on the IMCA Board of Directors. I still have a special email folder with hundreds of mails regarding this subject. Bob, you wrote: Misrepresent ? Never ! Hmmm, how does it come that the alleged source of your Tilden, for example, says that he never had this meteorite, just to name one incidence? I know, you said that you didn't recall that correctly, like in several other cases. Hard to believe, if you ask me. If I have a look at my meteorites I can usually tell you where I got this or that sample, especially when it comes to the rare or special ones. You also wrote: NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market. Hmm, even if it would have been Adam's intent to control certain areas of the market this wouldn't give you the right to sell unclassified stuff as something that has a clearly defined TKW and classification. Stating possible pairings is one thing, selling something for something else is an entirely different affair. And it shows that you aren't taking things too seriously when it comes to proper labeling practices. I could go on for a while, but it's wasted time trying to convince you that you made even one single mistake. And that's always alarming, especially if the responses to legit questions are insulting and abusive. Caveat Emptor! Norbert Classen President IMCA Inc. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von al mitterling Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Dezember 2008 17:30 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the long run. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] Evans and Court Judgments.
Hello all, After reading this, there might be some recourse. I am not a lawyer-- but in the case of a civil judgment, in some states one can put a lien on all or or any of his personal titled property. Try fixing his wagon by first putting a lien on his transportation. It won't affect him immediately, but if he tries to sell his vehicle... The lien will show up-- He can't transfer title till the lien is satisfied. And if so, all his claimants can just pile the liens on. Steve Schoner Message: 6 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:27 -0500 From: al mitterling alm...@kconline.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 8e6d633437bd4b7592bd4bd9c002a...@starmanpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Greetings List Members, It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want to advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by both not returning money to them after promising to do so and also misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first email message about him. Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious problems with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a number of the problems that have been posted over the list for a number of years. http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evansdomains=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=six.pairlist. netsitesearch=sa=Search+the+Archives I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans. His unprofessionalism is a joke. Ryan Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting a penny back from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way BobI'm 22 years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving you a warm welcome. Ryan Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc. Mauro Daniel McCartney and List, Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$ constitute a Felony in Texas? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts Thank you McCartney for your post to the list. Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo mccartney mccartney at blackbearddata.com wrote: As a member of IMCA, I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to avoid entanglements from questionable persons. On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the story... After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more months to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond. I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't going to finish the trade. I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to avoid being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they served him successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he show in court. He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him. He now joins Mr. Casper in the hall of Shame. Its my character flaw to be an overyly trusting guy. I have traded with people from South Africa to West Texas, Poland to Alaska. Never had a problem. On the whole the average meteorite fan is a fair, wholesome, science loving, respectable person. I encourage all of you to trade with your peers on this list, but do a little homework on your partner first to weed out the Caspers and Bob Evans's. Last word, the meteorite community is a small sand box - Remember to play nice. -mt IMCA 2760 Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Book
Great idea McCartneylook forward to that...will be good to focus on one particular fall and all thats involved for a change, rather than all the other more generalised books on meteoritics. Merry Christmas to all from a rather cold and damp UK Graham Ensor, UK McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com wrote: Yes, I can confirm the rumors that I have a meteorite book coming out soon. Its actually a monograph which is different than a book. For those non native English speakers, a monograph is a book extremely focused on a subject matter. In this case, its focused on just the Santa Lucia Meteorite Fall that occurred in January, 2008. I was fortunate to be the only field researcher there after the fall. The monograph contains my field notes, color pictures, stories, research, new Argentine law issues, and other items related to just this fall. 65 pages. This will be the first in a series of monographs covering meteorite falls and fines I've researched. That will include Tanzania, Deport, the new Canadian, etc... I'll roll these out when I damn well feel like it. :0) I'll give the list a heads up when it comes available. -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Baliff to Repossess meteorites??
Banks and lien holders of unpaid for items can hire a bailiff firm to repossess a car or other properties. Has anybody any ideas (A lawyer on the list maybe) have any experience or ideas about hiring a firm to repossess unpaid for meteorites? I am looking for info under USA law. I have a little problem with a customer and am in the process of getting a lawyer to sue the guy but would like to find a somewhat cheaper auction that going to court. Any advise would be appriciated Sincerely DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted : NWA 482 - playing the field
Hi folks! I am looking for a piece of NWA 482 with good provenance that weighs between 250mg and 500mg. Thin sliced with a lot of surface area is preferred. If you have something that fits the bill, contact me offlist and let me know what your best price for it is. :) Thanks! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! IMCAs are not automatically honest
Lists and Adam, I do not agree with the last point. IMCA is not automatically a label of honesty in dealing with mets. Two IMCA members have sold me Nantans with an so-called expertise. I analized them in my own LAB, finding that the Nantan were ordinary Mecong River Iron. It took a long process until they payed me back but not the total amount because I hade used the shit. IMCA presidial told me that both dealers (a couple) had not handles in intension. Poor argument! Uwe -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com An: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Verschickt: So., 14. Dez. 2008, 19:28 Thema: Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! Dear List, Bob Evans made the following statement which is completely untrue: NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market. My response: Bob took it upon himself to steal NWA numbers from honest dealers in order to promote untested and unproven material. Every piece that I have ever sold with an NWA number originating from The Hupe Collection has been examined by scientists so collectors and researchers know precisely what they are getting. I argue vehemently, as now do some scientists, when dealers use numbers that are not assigned to their stones. This is not only to protect my interests, it is to protect those who have invested in legitimate pieces. In most cases, I have been completely sold out of an item with an NWA number assignment and will continue to point out infractions. Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and that the pieces they purchased have been examined by qualified scientists. Another disturbing note: I have noticed lately that a number of so-called reputable dealers are using approved nomenclature for stones that have never been examined by a qualified research institution. They claim that the Moroccans are providing them with the NWA numbers. Any reputable dealer knows better than to let a Moroccan pass out NWA number assignments and there is no excuse for not having these pieces studied. Dealers using numbers not assigned to their stones only serve to destabilize the market and hurt collectors who have honest specimens with good provenance. On a positive note: Scientists are now quick to point out these indiscretions and this practice is deemed unacceptable. Many scientists are now members of the IMCA which has gone a long way in promoting proper ethics and establishing authenticity. Bob Evans, lacking any sense of a moral compass, is the kind of character that does a lot harm to this great avocation. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinf o/meteorite-list AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort können Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Non-paying List Members
Thomas, I think that you should out them so others do not get ripped off by a non-payer. it will help most of us in the future. Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Thomas Webb webb...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List, There are other supposedly reputable list members who will not pay their debts. I have had first hand experience with two of them. My best, Thomas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
on 12/14/08 7:16 AM, al mitterling at alm...@kconline.com wrote: Ryan Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc. Mauro Daniel I am confused, Is someone saying Bob Evans IS an alias being used by Brad Sampson (or the other way round), or is it being said he is the same TYPE of person??? Also, who said it; Ryan, Mauro Daniel or Al Mitterling? RSVP Thanks, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
Oh Thanks Bob, Believe it or not I have many happy customers who continue to make purchases. And now that my customer base is shrinking thanks to all the conjecture that is strewn about this forum, some of them will be getting some great deals on my auctions. IMCA is a joke. Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. - Original Message - From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - NWA 237 and 869
Greetings List Members: Offered on eBay are a slice of NWA 237 and some NWA 869 pieces. For those interested please take a look. Thanks! http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/jpbrockets_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZQQ_ sopZ14 Juris jpbrock...@aol.com **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 14, 2008
OH MY! - Original Message - From: Michael Johnson mich...@spacerocksinc.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 14,2008 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_14_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Santa Physics...again for 2008
SEE, like I said C is NOT the limiting speed of the universe - Original Message - From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Physics...again for 2008 Hi All, It seems it has befallen upon me to hold the job of official Santa Physics story reposter. So, in the true spirit of the season, here it is yet again. And as usual, I have not checked the math. Enjoy. Martin Engineering Christmas: Some points of contention. There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each dwelling. Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west which seems logical. This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has about 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purpose of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or other breaks. This requires that Santa's sleigh moves at 650 miles per second--3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and conventional reindeer can run at best 30 miles per hour. The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500,000 tons, not counting Santa himself. On land a conventional reindeer can pull about 300 pounds. Even granting that the flying reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job just cannot be done with eight or nine of them-- Santa would need 360,000 reindeer! This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch). 4.600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance-- this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere (which may explain Rudolph's red nose). The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second. In short, they would instantaneously vaporize exposing the reindeer behind them to the same friction and also creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would vanish within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip. Not that it matters, however since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 miles per second in .001 seconds, would be subjected to centrifugal forces of 17,500 Gs. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering red-hot blob of goo. And yet, he returns year after year. Therefore, the rules of physics obviously don't apply to Santa and his yearly mission. Speaking as an engineer, this guy must know something about relativity that we have yet to discover. HO, HO, HO. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Baliff to Repossess meteorites??
Hi Dean, You are comparing unsecured credit with secured credit. Forget it. For secured credit, you need a title/clearly written contract to relate it to. So in the future, you could only note that high-risk sales need to be governed by contract, not implicit understandings. An object that isn't title-able, and in the absence of a specific written contract, under latin law, anyway, belongs to he who has possession. You can sue for fraud or money owed to you, but you really can't sue to get the object back. Law recognizes when you've been stolen from and the damages are calculated in money, not merchandise which has been transferred in a related by independent transaction. So if you have an unsecured debt for anything, including meteorites you have sold to someone without contract, you are stuck with the legal system to file a case and prove what you say is due to you through a sentence from a case in front of a competent judge. (And even with a contract it is the same, just much cleaner and quicker if they fight back). The only idea I could think of would be transferring you debt to a collection agent and recovering what you can (say, 20 cents on the dollar). You could, for example, find a tough-guy collector in the same town and sell the rights to him in a one-page contract with all supporting info you have sworn to, and you doing due diligence that there is20no complicity. Then they take it from there, after paying you the agreed upon fraction of the total debt. Short of getting involved with a mafia, collections are just about there. To mess with someone’s credit rating, the easiest way to make life miserable for non-payes, for example, you will need the court sentence in your favor. Don't expect miracles, it’s just like sending out stamps on approval in the old days which you probably know the drill well. What was your protection there? SSDD. Best wishes and Good Luck, Doug -Original Message- From: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 3:32 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Baliff to Repossess meteorites?? Banks and lien holders of unpaid for items can hire a bailiff firm to repossess a car or other properties. Has anybody any ideas (A lawyer on the list maybe) have any experience or ideas about hiring a firm to repossess unpaid for meteorites? I am looking for info under USA law. I have a little problem with a customer and am in the process of getting a lawyer to sue the guy but would like to find a somewhat cheaper auction that going to court. Any advise would be appriciated Sincerely DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite destroys NZ warehouse in fire, witnesses say
Hi List, Meteorite destroys NZ warehouse in fire, witnesses say http://www.examiner.com/x-504-Space-News-Examiner~y2008m12d14-Meteorite-destroys-NZ-warehouse-in-fire-witnesses-say Tim Heitz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
I have buy only one time from Bob Evans and all its go ok with no problems. For IMCA I agree with the words Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. this is right, many meteorite dealers is not IMCA member and they sale with no problems and its honestly. What I have say to a IMCA member time ago: a Logo - IMCA logo - not confirm if you are honestly or a good dealer. I am a ex IMCA member and I am kick off from this why I I had battle with Farmer, but for me is not a problem, I not cry if I not have a IMCA logo. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Bob Evans bobe5...@comcast.net A : Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Data : Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:18:37 -0600 Oh Thanks Bob, Believe it or not I have many happy customers who continue to make purchases. And now that my customer base is shrinking thanks to all the conjecture that is strewn about this forum, some of them will be getting some great deals on my auctions. IMCA is a joke. Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. - Original Message - From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
