[meteorite-list] Introduction and some cool photos
Greetings Listoids, Hello, I am new to the list and to meteorites. Please enjoy these microscopic photographs of my four pallasite slices: http://free.radio.su/meteorites.html These are taken at 100X and 400X with a ProScope, at or near the olivine-iron boundary. I'm pretty curious about some of these features, especially on the Brenham. Is it just surface rust? Dan in Pacifica __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] origin of vesicles in achondrites ?
Hi Zelimir, Vesicles in achondrites have always interested me too. I believe around half of the Dho 700 stones showed some form of vesicles. I have one of the 12 stones which does show a few small vesicles in the surface. You never know what they are like in the interior though. http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/dho700.html D'Orbigny... one of my all time favourite meteorites and as you pointed out is an excellent example of an achondrite with vesicles. http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/d'orbigny.html Anne Black has a stunning slice of D'Orbigny on her sale page with vesicles and open druses: http://www.impactika.com/Meteorities/Dorbig.htm And then there are the melts such as NWA 3159 which have vesicles: http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/nwa3159.html And of course there is the wonderful anomalous basaltic achondrite; Ibitira. I have pics and a brief outline on the theory of vesicle formation for Ibitira here: http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/ibitira.html You might find this one interesting Zelimir as it talks about how the vapour phase that deposited the vesicle minerals was in complete equilibrium with the matrix materials. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Zelimir Gabelica" To: "Ron Baalke" ; "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] origin of vesicles in achondrites ? Dear Ron, List, Interesting story. It is said that Almahata Sitta is a fragile, porous olivine and pyroxene-bearing ureilite. Although said to be generally coarse-grained, ureilites (major olivine, minor pyroxene-pigeonite embedded in a dark carbon-rich matrix) are rarely porous. I believe the propsity of Almahata Sitta is surprising, intriguing? Vesicles (bubbles) were found in angrites and, recently, in one diogenite (see below), perhaps on some other achondrites (I did not check the whole group of achondrites for such oddities). Looking at recent literature reveals that the origin of such bubbles is diverse and can be very controversal. My question concerns the origin of vesicles recently discovered in a selected piece of Dhofar 700. To better provoke some answer, here I am attempting to summarize what is so far known as theories that could explain the presence of such bubbles in achondrites. 1) Angrites. D'orbigny (ANG) is a well known case. Angrites are composed of variable amounts of fassaitic pyroxene and other minor phases. They can be considered as basaltic rock involving cumulate textures. Their pores and vesicles (not so rare in D'Orbigny), often filled with augite or anorthite xenocrysts, often well seen as single, sometimes well isolated needles, are thought to have been formed before the rock had crystallized on the earliest differentiated asteroids (289 Nenetta ?...3819 Robinson ?...3628 Boznemcova ? or other with a smaller diameter, as reported by Weir ?) during the early days of the solar system genesis. The origin of such vesicles is consistent with the formation and coalescence of smaller CO2 bubbles in magma, before it rapidly cooled and solidified near the surface (McCoy, cited in Weir's web site). There are other theories as well, such as the exsolved solid sphere hypothesis (Kurat, cited by Weir). 2) Diogenites. So far, diogenites, composed of Mg-rich pyroxene and minor olivine and plagioclase are currently coarse-grained (as the new ureilite Almahata Sitta) but very rarely involve bubbles or vesicles. They are supposed to come from magma chambers in deep regions of Vesta. In a recent post (ad), Adam Hupé reported that several slices of Dhofar 700 contained vesicles that in some cases attained almost 1 cm in diameter. This was a surprise since no other diogenite was reported to involve such quite regular bubbles. Adam's post reminded me that I was also the lucky owner of such a slice of DHO 700, full of bubbles (almost 30 bubbles - some over 1 cm diameter - can be discerned onto the 38x44 mm surface, some passing completely through the slice (4 mm thick) ! See pic here (click on "Dhofar 700"): http://www.agab.be/meteorites/historique/Connoisseur.html The text below the pic describes in a somewhat popularized way (in French) possible (perhaps still speculative) origins of such bubbles. One theory argues for a mechanism involving the genesis of gas bubbles due to some complex process on Vesta. Upon rapid cooling, such bubbles could have remained occluded in the cooled magma in a similar way as for Angrites (D'Orbigny). The weak point of that theory is that such a process is quite unlikely to occur in a cumulate rock. Another source (Blaine Reed, personal communication) reported that no extra minerals were found growing on the interior surfaces of the gas bubbles. It appears as if the surrounding minerals have been crushed by some increased pressure rather generated by a liquid, leading to think that it was possibly hot water (!) that formed these bubbles. But how to imagine that hot water, if a
[meteorite-list] Shocked or not shocked?
Question: does this basalt look like it is shocked? Optical 40x and 100x. http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/RockPhotos/S2TwistA40x.jpg http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/RockPhotos/S2BundlesD100x.jpg http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/RockPhotos/S2BundlesB100x.jpg Electron micrograph 300x: http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/RockPhotos/HH1_01_300x_30kV_02.jpg These small multi-oriented and broken grain features seem to match some shocked material photos here: http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect18/Sect18_3.html At least one local granite rock looks like this, even in much larger magnification: http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/RockPhotos/LocalBasaltA40x.jpg http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/RockPhotos/LocalBasaltB40x.jpg http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/RockPhotos/ 20090327localBasaltInterior10x.jpg http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/RockPhotos/ 20090327localBasaltCrust10x.jpg The above, to my untrained eye, looks to be not shocked, while the first set of photos show shocked basalt. The question is, do the first set of photos actually show a basalt that is shocked? HH __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mica and quartz don't rule out Mars meteorites?
These seem to indicate that mica and quartz can be expected on Mars. Mica on Mars: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1381.pdf Mars quartz: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/sci/fifthconf99/6138.pdf Therefore these things might show up in meteorites? HH __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] origin of vesicles in achondrites ? some photos
hi all last tiME we get a talk about visicle and there size , many guys told me if they are real visicles , so i took up some photos, the size of the viscles start from 0.01 cm to 2.3 cm, and one thing to be sur they are visicles is that the holes taoudnid dioegnite is made from holes , those viscles in the surface are small and they are deep and bigger inside, so the big visicle here is 2.3cm oustide and inside is real bigger may be 2.8 inside they are like a ball inside and very deep like tunnels,; i guess just this taoudnid will make crazy slices with wire saw. need a good professional to make killers slices, may the Biggest holes seen in any achondrites enjoy photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ the red labels are inch and the black is cm. my best wish aziz habibi I.M.C.A # 6220 habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - West meteorite
I'm releasing 2 more West stones for sale. 14.5g and 28.7g Both 100% fusion crusted, 1 with a silver line. http://outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfolio&cat=4&project=46&Itemid=58 -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Introduction and some cool photos
Dear Dave, Very good micro-photographs. I have seen these on many pallasites under my microscope. Analysis has shown me that the rust looking trails are the remains of iron oxide solutions from galvanic corrosion action under either surface coatings or Olivine xls. They micro blast off easily. You may have heard that I have shown that many of our meteorites are loaded with water after plunging into earth soil that contains water vapor and with 14.7 #/sq" shoves water vapor into the shocked meteorite. Oxygen and other elements enter the meteorite and then have a field day supporting the earlier galvanic action process. My goal is to help our knowledge of meteorite preservation be a universal capability. Bill Mason III "rusty" -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brumleve Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 2:19 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Introduction and some cool photos Greetings Listoids, Hello, I am new to the list and to meteorites. Please enjoy these microscopic photographs of my four pallasite slices: http://free.radio.su/meteorites.html These are taken at 100X and 400X with a ProScope, at or near the olivine-iron boundary. I'm pretty curious about some of these features, especially on the Brenham. Is it just surface rust? Dan in Pacifica __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] super star
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[meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
A $5,000/kg or $10,000/kg reward for the first kg may be appropriate for most some falls. But quickly the newspapers will drop the 'first kg' part and spread the value at $10/g. There will also be unit errs and report the value at $10,000/lb. $20,000/kg is ludicrous. I think we, as a community, should make some kind of gentleman's agreement with the highest reward that should be offered. Quickly, a point will be reached that will be counter-productive. http://www.wjbf.com/jbf/news/state_regional/georgia/article/meteorite_hunters_closing_in_on_georgia_fireball_reward_upped_to_2/12165/ -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
My opinion is that it should not be publicized except through private channels, email, fax, and maybe local fliers. Or if you publish something in the paper or on local TV channels simply use the word REWARD! with no $ amount attached to it. It's all about marketing image and I understand that a $10K reward might be very enticing to those honest folks out there or the greedy people that just want the money but... Has anyone ever thought of the repercussions if people start getting the idea that ALL meteorite hunters have money?! This could pose a safety risk for hunters in the field. Not all hunters have $10K to drop on a kilo of freshly fallen meteorites but if we continue to advertise tens of thousands of dollars for meteorites then people might get the wrong idea. Not too mention the other issue of landowners thinking they're not getting a fair price. I agree with McCartney that there needs to be some sort of gentleman's agreement, not for the reward amount but that there not be a dollar amount posted at all. REWARD FOR METEORITES! is a sufficient phrase for use in the lead generation and helps in the protection of hunters and market prices of meteorite. It will minimize the pissed off landowners that think they might be taken advantage of, and will help preserve the value of the meteorites by not artificially inflating the price. Just my opinion... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA McCartney Taylor wrote: A $5,000/kg or $10,000/kg reward for the first kg may be appropriate for most some falls. But quickly the newspapers will drop the 'first kg' part and spread the value at $10/g. There will also be unit errs and report the value at $10,000/lb. $20,000/kg is ludicrous. I think we, as a community, should make some kind of gentleman's agreement with the highest reward that should be offered. Quickly, a point will be reached that will be counter-productive. http://www.wjbf.com/jbf/news/state_regional/georgia/article/meteorite_hunters_closing_in_on_georgia_fireball_reward_upped_to_2/12165/ -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
Dear Mac: You and I must have some kind of a psychic link : ) I was planning a post on this very topic, but you beat me to it. This may stir things up a bit, but that is not my intention. As someone who goes out in the field, and does part of the actual work of recovery, I feel I should voice my opinion on this. As best I can recall, four well-known members of the meteorite community have recently offered large rewards for stones from new falls. You're all my friends, so please don't take this personally -- I'm just throwing this out for your consideration. We all remember that Bob Haag offered a $10,000 reward for a piece of Buzzard Coulee. At the time, I thought it was very clever. Bob is a great promoter, and his reward offer, naturally, got him in the news. Since then -- correct me if I'm wrong -- there have been at least three other $10K rewards offered (that I'm aware of) for recovered material from the meteors seen over Texas, New York, and Georgia. So: (a) You guys are copycats (b) Making these big cash reward offers to the general public is interfering with hunting in the strewnfields. Yes, one dealer might make a quick profit by buying up one piece from a landowner and turning it around before hunters on the ground can recover anything, and I guess that's your right in a free market. But please consider the damage you are doing to people out in the field. In Texas, there were several instances when I was personally told by a landowner something along the lines of: "Nah, you can't hunt on my land. I heard in the paper them's things is worth ten thousand a pound," or whatever. I know others had similar experiences. If someone sitting in their office sends a press release to local papers advising landowners that black rocks on their land might be worth five grand per pound, do you think those landowners are going to be receptive to working with hunters who have gone to the trouble and expense of traveling to the fall site? Not likely. Since several List members can't even manage to respect the gentleman's agreement we already have about one ad per dealer, per week, I hardly think we're going to have any more success with a gentleman's agreement about reward prices. But I guess it's worth a try and, Mac, I do like your thinking. Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Insane tactics offering $20,000 per kilo!
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/latest/lat_500842.shtml This started in West, with Bob Evans and others offering $5000 for the first kilo and then $10,000 and $5000 per pound for meteorites. Why offer set price for "first kilo"? Do you really think that the people that find the second kilo will understand and take $1000? I don't think so. This is an insane tactic, you are now setting the minimum price for any meteorite found in Georgia at $20,000 per kilo! Is it me or is this absolute stupidity? Darryl, Dave, why are you doing this? Can you not just offer large cash reward. I think you guys need to stay out of the field, because since you are willing to offer these prices, then next time I get a meteorite I will demand those prices. From now on, it seems any US fall is going to be outrageously priced due to these tactics. Don't blame me, I did not start this crap. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
Dear Geoff, Thank heavens someone is thinking with their mind instead of their wallet. Greed is a bad trait we seem to have in excess quantity in the human animal. I have seen it defeat may projects in business and science over the years. ME,ME, on the back of a Mercedes the other day "The one with the most toys when he dies ...WINS" . Think what we might accomplish if on the next meteorite fall we talked about the scientific wonder rather than the money we'd collectively make. We might have more fun and we wouldn't disturb the natives greed side. I realize it costs $$$ to travel and get your hat back-so to speak. BUT be smart about it people - If you let your mouth run ...you will pay the price. Bill Mason 3 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Notkin Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:48 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent. Dear Mac: You and I must have some kind of a psychic link : ) I was planning a post on this very topic, but you beat me to it. This may stir things up a bit, but that is not my intention. As someone who goes out in the field, and does part of the actual work of recovery, I feel I should voice my opinion on this. As best I can recall, four well-known members of the meteorite community have recently offered large rewards for stones from new falls. You're all my friends, so please don't take this personally -- I'm just throwing this out for your consideration. We all remember that Bob Haag offered a $10,000 reward for a piece of Buzzard Coulee. At the time, I thought it was very clever. Bob is a great promoter, and his reward offer, naturally, got him in the news. Since then -- correct me if I'm wrong -- there have been at least three other $10K rewards offered (that I'm aware of) for recovered material from the meteors seen over Texas, New York, and Georgia. So: (a) You guys are copycats (b) Making these big cash reward offers to the general public is interfering with hunting in the strewnfields. Yes, one dealer might make a quick profit by buying up one piece from a landowner and turning it around before hunters on the ground can recover anything, and I guess that's your right in a free market. But please consider the damage you are doing to people out in the field. In Texas, there were several instances when I was personally told by a landowner something along the lines of: "Nah, you can't hunt on my land. I heard in the paper them's things is worth ten thousand a pound," or whatever. I know others had similar experiences. If someone sitting in their office sends a press release to local papers advising landowners that black rocks on their land might be worth five grand per pound, do you think those landowners are going to be receptive to working with hunters who have gone to the trouble and expense of traveling to the fall site? Not likely. Since several List members can't even manage to respect the gentleman's agreement we already have about one ad per dealer, per week, I hardly think we're going to have any more success with a gentleman's agreement about reward prices. But I guess it's worth a try and, Mac, I do like your thinking. Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
>>I agree with McCartney that there needs to be some sort of gentleman's agreement, not for the reward amount but that there not be a dollar amount posted at all. REWARD FOR METEORITES! is a sufficient phrase for use in the lead generation and helps in the protection of hunters and market prices of meteorite. It will minimize the pissed off landowners that think they might be taken advantage of, and will help preserve the value of the meteorites by not artificially inflating the price.<< I don't think any limits on offered rewards should be done. First of all...there's this thing called "Supply and Demand". If there's just a few large meteorites to be found, then make the offer. Its probably worth a big reward. Offering anything less, the landowner is probably being taken advantage of. There are two sides to this fence...the meteorite hunter and the landowner. Each side wants to make a killing and neither wants to be had. Most people on this list are probably looking at it from one side of the fence. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
Best to consider the source on this type of tactic, Meteorite Hunters? More like keyboard check book hunters in my opinion. It is all about $$$ for some groups of people. Better learn to live with it guys, this may be the wave of the future. Howard Steffic > From: mccart...@blackbearddata.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:15:56 -0600 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent. > > A $5,000/kg or $10,000/kg reward for the first kg may be appropriate for > most some falls. But quickly the newspapers will drop the 'first kg' > part and spread the value at $10/g. There will also be unit errs and > report the value at $10,000/lb. > > $20,000/kg is ludicrous. > > I think we, as a community, should make some kind of gentleman's > agreement with the highest reward that should be offered. Quickly, a > point will be reached that will be counter-productive. > > http://www.wjbf.com/jbf/news/state_regional/georgia/article/meteorite_hunters_closing_in_on_georgia_fireball_reward_upped_to_2/12165/ > > -mt > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Internet Explorer 8 – Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
Inflated field prices Landowners refusing to allow their property hunt Risk to all hunters safety from mugging or perceived attempts to con the public Flooding the area with every kid on spring break who doesn't consider the care needed to maintain a good relationship with landowners. Imagine the tension you would feel of all of a sudden garden gnomes were as rare as meteorites and hundreds of people show up in your neighborhood because a garden gnome from your area sold for $20K. Would you feel safe? Would you want to work with gnome hunters? I am always amazed at how kind landowners are but if you chum the water it ain't gonna happen. Huge amounts do get paid in the field but it needs to be done in private. This type of action gets one twenty thousand dollar piece safely out of the strewnfield...maybe. I met a man in Park Forest at the peak of sales (~$20-30/g in the retail world not the field ) who had a 1kg stone. He was carrying it like a baby chicken "How much would you give me for this". I replied that I only had about $5k to offer for it. "I've had guys offer me $35K and said no" as he retracted the stone. I tried to tell him to forget about me then and take the higher offer, to bring it to Applebee's where all the hunters met at night and see what he could make of it. He never showed up. I often wonder what he ever got, or perhaps never got for it because the TV, newspapers and planetarium were telling him it was worth so much. Now we have the hunters saying the same thing.. Very bull in a china shop this is, myopic Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 27, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
This practice dates back around 20 years . It was started by our fearless leader Bob Haag. I remember a TV show called "Missing : Reward", where Bob offered up to a one million dollar reward for a piece of the Tucson Iron along with it's exact find location. True story he admits this on page 14 of his 1991 tenth anniversary edition of his Field Guide of Meteorites. What a nut. I think the key words were "up to". Carl McCartney Taylor wrote: > A $5,000/kg or $10,000/kg reward for the first kg may be appropriate for > most some falls. But quickly the newspapers will drop the 'first kg' > part and spread the value at $10/g. There will also be unit errs and > report the value at $10,000/lb. > > $20,000/kg is ludicrous. > > I think we, as a community, should make some kind of gentleman's > agreement with the highest reward that should be offered. Quickly, a > point will be reached that will be counter-productive. > > http://www.wjbf.com/jbf/news/state_regional/georgia/article/meteorite_hunters_closing_in_on_georgia_fireball_reward_upped_to_2/12165/ > > -mt > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Insane tactics offering $20,000 per kilo!
Hello Mr. Farmer and others, Just a few thoughts. I'm new here and never found a meteorite in my life but I can see a $20,000 offer would help narrow where the strewnfield is a lot sooner. Would that be a blessing in disguise? Also, what would happen if this fall was another Ureilite or rare type? I imagine there would be no gentleman's agreement. I'm not talking about meteorite hunters but half the country. Did anyone see this comment that was left at the bottom of the article: "Posted by ( BobK ) on March 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm A lot of those meteorite hunters are rip off artists where they only pay cents on the dollar. If you find anything- make sure you listen to a number of offers before picking the highest one. Better yet- sell it yourself on Ebay." Carl _ Windows Live™ SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: March 23-27, 2009
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES March 23-27, 2009 o Complex Surface (Released 23 March 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090323a o South Polar Spring (Released 24 March 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090324a o Candor Chasma (Released 25 March 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090325a o Melas Chasma (Released 26 March 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090326a o Flow Complexity (Released 27 March 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090327a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Short article in _Nature_ on 2008 TC3/Almahata Sitta
This was forwareded to me by someone who obviously couldn't post binaries to the list. Don't know if he wants credit or to remain anonymous: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/Nature_March_26_2009_Almahata_Sitta_AKA_2008TC3.pdf __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 40% off sale (ad)
Gee, Steve, You have only posted 4 or 5 times since the post that Stated that it was your LAST post ever. Not bad for 2 days. Best wishes, Michael > From: steve arnold > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:54:14 -0700 (PDT) > To: Meteorite List > Subject: [meteorite-list] 40% off sale (ad) > > > Hi list.Things have moving so well I thought I would make the remaining items > 40% off thru monday.Shipping is extra.View here at chicagometeorites.net/ and > thanks. > > Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago! > > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Post!
Hi all, A secret messenger of Proud Tom has resurrected a variety of Web pages, posts, etc, of Proud Tom. It is in PDF format, which Just about any computer on earth can open. I decided I will send one to everyone who signs up for my sales Posts (I post an average of about 8 times a year, so you won't be getting OD'd). Those already on my list, you can email me and I will send one to you, too. Just a little laugh for those who don't mind laughing at themselves (me included - I am targeted in this PDF). Do be foreworned, that it is A hodge-podge and part will say "page 1 of 3" or "page 4 or 9" or the like, But pay no attention - you can tell by the green button on the right side How far through the PDF you are getting. Much of this stuff seemed new to me, but my wife assures me I am Loosing my mind and forgetting everything, so, mayby while I sit here Laughing out loud, I am reading something I have seen before, but it did Seem like there was a lot of "new" stuff. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR DO NOT ASK FOR THIS - it has a bit of the flavor of a "roast" - of everyone! Just write "Proud Tom PDF" in the subject line of your post (OFF LIST) and I will send it to you. Best wishes, Michael PS, for those of you not yet on the Friends Page, this is a good time to send in a jpg attachment of a decent head shot of you. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] unsubscribe me please
Please unsubscribe me from the met list. I am going to set it up through a different/dedicated email address. Thanks, Joe Kerchner __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
I have been hearing for a couple of years now from insiders and outsiders alike that say it is beyond embarrassing how some dealers are more worried about their ego than they are about the product they sell. My other half asked? Don't these guys have a woman in their life to prevent them from embarrassing themselves with this shameless self-promotion? We do need a spokesperson for meteorites. Too bad Bob Haag isn't front and center any more. His focus and enthusiasm has always been about the meteorites, not himself. His fame came from his pioneering efforts and positive outlook, not chasing press and then bragging about it. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] unsubscribe me please
That ain't how it works, Joe. Go to Meteorite Central. You are the Only one with control over your subscription To the list. Michael > From: Joe Kerchner > Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:13:49 -0600 > To: Meteorite List > Subject: [meteorite-list] unsubscribe me please > > Please unsubscribe me from the met list. I am going to set it up > through a different/dedicated email address. > Thanks, > Joe Kerchner > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List Sale
Yo, List-folk, I am in need of cashola FAST. So, instead of raising all my prices and then dropping them Again, howsabout $35 off any item of $200 or more IF you pay By PayPal. Check 'm out at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ See both pages of hammers (if you don't believe in hammers - then You can check them out as "witnessed falls" - As well as my overall catalog - Yes, you can combine a number of Items to reach $200 (or more - don't feel restrained! Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
A gentleman an armchair hunter is not when rewards be posted on the spot the landowners tend to frown when the hunter arrives in town to hunt a rewarded strewnfield maybe not be a very good deal some people just do their part according to a selfish heart too bad we must compete for fear of being beat by rewarding the first rock on the ground we lose the respect of the town offering up hefty rewards the seekers arrive in hordes to the great strewnfield land we become a silly band we strive to know the place and we wind up with mud on our face so it must be a race to the place where meteorites lie some do what others may shy too bad we must fight when a fireball pierces the night it should be a great event not something we lament but most times people go too far over the price of such a star before we make the landowners cry foul or in fact endanger our crowd those people must lose their greed or we'll lose the respect of the people we need some have more money than brains bad for the hunter this puts us in chains I don't know what you call it in my opinion it's "all" shit POSTED: NO METEORITE HUNTING! Violators will be tarred and feathered by locals. Regards, Eric Rob Wesel wrote: Inflated field prices Landowners refusing to allow their property hunt Risk to all hunters safety from mugging or perceived attempts to con the public Flooding the area with every kid on spring break who doesn't consider the care needed to maintain a good relationship with landowners. Imagine the tension you would feel of all of a sudden garden gnomes were as rare as meteorites and hundreds of people show up in your neighborhood because a garden gnome from your area sold for $20K. Would you feel safe? Would you want to work with gnome hunters? I am always amazed at how kind landowners are but if you chum the water it ain't gonna happen. Huge amounts do get paid in the field but it needs to be done in private. This type of action gets one twenty thousand dollar piece safely out of the strewnfield...maybe. I met a man in Park Forest at the peak of sales (~$20-30/g in the retail world not the field ) who had a 1kg stone. He was carrying it like a baby chicken "How much would you give me for this". I replied that I only had about $5k to offer for it. "I've had guys offer me $35K and said no" as he retracted the stone. I tried to tell him to forget about me then and take the higher offer, to bring it to Applebee's where all the hunters met at night and see what he could make of it. He never showed up. I often wonder what he ever got, or perhaps never got for it because the TV, newspapers and planetarium were telling him it was worth so much. Now we have the hunters saying the same thing.. Very bull in a china shop this is, myopic Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: [AD] Sierra Colorada 1180 grams full slice relisted
Dear Listoids, For those who might be interested I relisted a full slice of a pretty rare one, Sierra Colorada on Ebay again. Fantastic brecciated slice with lots of metal veins. I lowered the price since last post drasticly and this is the lowest I can go. Check it out here: http://cgi.ebay.com/Sierra-Colorada-meteorite-1180-gr-Full-Slice_W0QQitemZ170315701944QQihZ007QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Enjoy !! P.s. I have been asked for a trade quite a few times but this one goes for cash only, sorry. Jan Bartels IMCA 9833 www.heavenlybodies.nl Holland __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
Greetings, The trouble with a gentleman's agreement is you need two gentlemen. Another problem with all this is, the next fall, when specimens are found, the first thing that the owners are going to do is go to the Internet and put in a search of meteorites and price. What they will find is all the insane priced items, what meteorites sold for in West Texas and other localities like Park Forest. It is all on the Internet and it does not go away. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bolide over California 26MAR09
Dear List, New report: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2009/03/california-bolide-26mar09.html Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
G'Day Al, I'd like to say you've been hanging around the hammers too long, but I think you nailed this one on the head. Cheers John - Original Message - From: "almitt" To: "'Meteorite List'" Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent. Greetings, The trouble with a gentleman's agreement is you need two gentlemen. Another problem with all this is, the next fall, when specimens are found, the first thing that the owners are going to do is go to the Internet and put in a search of meteorites and price. What they will find is all the insane priced items, what meteorites sold for in West Texas and other localities like Park Forest. It is all on the Internet and it does not go away. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide over California 26MAR09
Sorry, first attempt bounced. Dear List, New report: Bolide over California 26MAR09 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2009/03/california-bolide-26mar09.html Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD ebay auctions
for who interested I have put some auctions on ebay included a 2530 grams lot of NWA 869 end pieces http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=mcomemeteorite Matteo M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excessively Large Reward a bad precedent.
Capt. Renault in the casino scene in Casablanca: "I'm shocked -- SHOCKED -- to find that gambling in going on here!" (as the croupier hands him a stack of money) http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/?ArID=232225 :-) Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
