Re: [meteorite-list] Daylight Fireball! Meteor Plane or Space Debris?
Don't know what to make of this one. Dual smoke trails? Or does it only to appear to be two smoke trails. Well...the trail does not look like any meteor trails I've ever seen...that is its not squiggily. I'm leaning towards it being an airplane of some kind. GeoZay **The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=M ay51009AvgfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A brief document on Zunhua meteorite PDF download
Hello list, The following is a brief doc on Zunhua meteorite, i present it to Zunhua buyers or owners, http://www.esnips.com/web/AbriefdocumentonZunhuameteorite Best wishes, Ma Lan Beijing China __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Llooking for canyon diablo strewn field map
Hi Floyd, Bernd, and list, At 22:38 09-05-09, Floyd wrote: I am seeking help. I am looking for any info and maps on the Canyon Diablo strewn field. The map that Bernd mentions was made by Samuel J. Holsinger and dated November 1908. Holsinger was Daniel Barringer's drilling supervisor at the crater for many years and namesake of the 639 kg Holsinger fragment, the largest known individual meteorite found to date in the vicinity of the crater. A jpg of the map can be viewed here: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v434/n7030/extref/434157a-s3.jpg The map marks the location of both meteoric iron siderites and iron oxide shale balls. Nearly all locations marked on the map fall within a circle with a radius of 5.5 miles centered on the crater. Curious minds wonder whether fragments are now being found even further away, thanks to the miracle of modern metal detectors. One interesting aspect of Holsinger's map is that the distribution within one mile of the crater was strongly assymmetric, with the preponderance of the fragments found to the northeast of the crater. I also need to know the direction flight. It has long been believed that the meteoroid came in from the north or northeast, based mainly on the asymmetric uplift of the rim, which is higher on the south side. The asymmetric distribution of fragments outside the crater and near to it may support this trajectory hypothesis. This short article mentions a north or northeasterly trajectory and an angle of 80 degrees, though it does not mention sources for this information: http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-95512.html Does anyone out there know of a journal article where the 80 degree angle is discussed, with the rationale behind proposing this value for the trajectory angle? Best wishes to all, Piper __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Where was Holsinger fragment found?
Hello list, Does anyone have a reference for where the 639 kg Holsinger fragment was found, i.e. how far from Meteor Crater, in which direction, and how deep? Thanks in advance for any lead(s) on this. Best wishes to all, Piper __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Where was Holsinger fragment found?
Hello Piper and List, Does anyone have a reference for where the 639 kg Holsinger fragment was found, i.e. how far from Meteor Crater, in which direction, and how deep? The 639 kg specimen with maximum dimensions of 90x70x35 cm was found in 1911 about 2.5 km north-northeast of the crater rim (Buchwald, p. 389). Best Sunday* wishes, Bernd *Mothers' Day here in Germany! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for canyon diablo strewn field map (cont.)
Hi Floyd, Piper and List, The National Geographic Magazine, June 1928, pp. 720-730. The Mysterious Tomb Of A Giant Meteorite (by William D. Boutwell): Mystery Still Surrounds The Crater (p. 726, excerpt): Then geologists began to examine the crater walls more in detail. They observed that the tilted angle of the rock strata varied. On the south side it was raised nearly 90 degrees; on the north side no more than 5 degrees from the horizontal. They noticed that the tilt was progressively greater on both sides from north to south; also, that a whole 2,000-foot sector of the southern wall was lifted vertically about 100 feet. From this and other evidence the conclusion was reached that the mass of the meteorite struck from the north at an angle, crashed through the limestone and sandstone, and imbedded itself in a harder red sandstone at a point under the south wall of the crater. Best wishes from Germany, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for canyon diablo strewn field map
Hello again, Does anyone out there know of a journal article where the 80 degree angle is discussed, with the rationale behind proposing this value for the trajectory angle? D.J. Roddy and E.M. Shoemaker (1995) Meteor Crater: Summary of impact conditions (Meteoritics 30-5, 1995, A567, excerpts): Since the late 1950s, studies of this crater have presented an increasingly clearer view of this impact and its effects and have provided an improved view of impact cratering in general. To expand on this dataset, we are preparing an upgraded summary on the Meteor Crater event ... including inormation and interpretations on (1)...(2)...(3) estimated speed, trajectory, angle of impact, ... the trajectory of the impacting body is interpreted by EMS (= E.M. Shoemaker) as traveling north-northwest at a relatively low impact angle... I don't know whether E.M. Shoemaker still had time enough to publish this upgraded summary before his tragic accident in Australia. Best Sunday wishes to all, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Park Forest Garza Stone 178 grams.
Listioids, Before it goes to Ebay: The Park Forest fragment we offer is a 178,2 gram crusted fragment. This is the piece seen many times on the news, together with the 2,2 kg. main mass when a park Forest police officer is showing how the 178 grams piece fits perfectly on the main mass. Collectors who own the Park Forest dvd sure will recognize the fragment seen many times there. Another thing which makes this fragment extra special is that when it broke off from the main mass during impact, it smashed through the window and landed outside on the patio. This means this is the only meteorite in existence which landed in a house and went back outside again!!! Another rarest items including this Museum display set is an insect, a termite which was found along the debris on the floor of the bedroom. It seems that during impact it was hidden in the ceiling together with a few others. It was taken to an entomologist which confirmed that by a flexibility test of the wings it was highly possible that the time of death was caused by the impact. This means this may be the only animal in existence which remained for display. Another animal, a cow which was hit by the Valera meteorite has gone forever. The Termite was obtained from the Hupes, all other meteorite items from this event were obtained from Fernlea meteorites. The following items include this rarest historical museum display set: The Park Forest meteorite Garza fragment of 178,2 grams. It has a beautiful crust, brown stains from hitting the wooden joist and white spots from the plaster ceiling. Large fragment of the wooden joist (as seen on the pictures here) It clearly shows the point of impact of the meteorite. 3 large pieces of ceiling plaster fragments. The termite, nicely protected in a membrane box. Pieces of the Venetian blinds that were at the window and got damaged by the meteorite. Pieces of glass from the bedroom window where the meteorite fell through. A hand signed letter of authenticity from Mr. Garza, provided by Rob Elliot from Fernlea meteorites. It is no doubt this highly collectible set should belong to a museum collection!! Please do not email for separate sales of the items. The set will stay complete at all times. Shipping options will be discussed after the sale is complete and the shipping cost will be added to the final amount. Shipping only to the U.S, Europe and Australia. Offers starting at $11.000 are welcome. This means it's priced for a little over $60.00 per gram including all impact items. Pictures on request, off list please. NO TRADES. Paypal only. Best, Jan. IMCA 9833 Holland __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How an Intern Stole NASA's Moon Rocks
Hi Doug and List - What I should have said, instead of third world was - medieval Either way, I'd like to throw 1kg UNWA chondrites at the thieves. I noticed you said this in your excellent reply - these are three typical nerds gone completely unsupervised in the heart of America's treasure chest. It strikes me as odd that three interns with different backgrounds all passing the incredibly competitive and difficult intern selection process would all go for this, that would have left many of us in the dust intellectually. We are talking three highly talented people here that are all typical high achievers, great leaders, and hand picked by NASA for that quality specifically - not brainwashed zombies... One of my Dad's distant relatives came to visit us many years ago. She had multiple college degrees, including a doctorate she was quite proud of. She was also a member of Mensa. This person didn't have the common sense to make ice cubes or come in from the rain. Book smart, yes. Truly smart, no. To this day, I have never seen such a staggering lack of common sense in a human being. I've seen high school dropouts with more smarts. So don't think just because NASA selected these interns, that they must be brilliant minds. Afterall, the same NASA that selected them is the same NASA that allowed them to steal the moon rock safe. Not exactly a bunch of rocket scientists here - pun intended. Their punishments were too lenient - all of them. What's more, the government should have been called to task publicly for this one. Instead, it was quietly swept under the rug and everyone at NASA hoped nobody outside Johnson noticed. These thieves should spend the rest of their adult lives working in fast food drive-through windows making minimum wage - to further educate them on the public dollar is a disgrace. To allow them high-paying jobs after this is also disgraceful - public dollar or not. Best regards, MikeG On 5/9/09, Mexicodoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: Hello Walter, List! This theft of Moon rocks story has seriously been the embarrassment of the century for JSC. Thankfully time is passing and wounds are healing. It was a very sad chapter for responsibility and ethics for the entire academic community. Mike said: Tie up the thieves to poles out in the open (third world style) and pelt them mercilessly with weathered-up UNWA from the Tucson bargain bin. ;) Mike, EDITORIAL The comment Third World Style just hit a nerve. Did you know he dreamed on going on ANSMET expeditions? Mr. Roberts nearly served out his entire term (served 7 and a half years) without much judicial mercy, which was twice the guideline as the judge was responding to political pressures in sentencing. When you say, The ringleader was sentenced to 8 years in prison - which here in America means he probably served about 2-3 years and then walked. non-violent crime, ivy league white defendant with previously clean record, good behavior and early release It's a bit inciting and unrelated to this case, even you are just expressing general frustration with the United States judicial system which many of us may and may not agree. I suspect the judge who sentenced these aspiring scientists shared this line of thinking. Oh, Roberts was definitely not Ivy League. He lifted himself up and then crashed and burned all by his own bootstraps. The political nature of w hat happened is the driver here. Far from the research and material allegedly compromised (Is there any specific place in the scientific literature where this was cited as compromising results?), it was a shot into the heart of public faith of national curation of taxpayer financed recovered material from the moon and ANSMET in what NASA would like everyone to have believed was the Fort Knox of science. Mr. Roberts was made a whipping boy to divert attention from the whole fiasco as this sort of failure IMO should have had much greater repercussions. Sure, some positive changes were made as a result, but who can say with a straight face that rogue interns are only to blame, and weave a Tom Clancy novel out the smokescreen. The labeling of them as Rogue Interns at te time only gives me the willies that taxpayers' were being mislead, a rogue asteroid, maybe, but please ... these are three typical nerds gone completely unsupervised in the heart of America's treasure chest. It strikes me as odd that three interns with different backgrounds all passing the incredibly competitive and difficult intern selection process would all go for this, that would have left many of us in the dust intellectually. We are talking three highly talented people here that are all typical high achievers, great leaders, and hand picked by NASA for that quality specifically - not brainwashed zombies... Consider the punishment for the two=2 0female accomplices. They received no prison time (a special waiver from sentencing guidelines), and
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for canyon diablo strewn field map
Regarding Canyon Diablo aka Barringer crater, just take the A train...: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/barringer_crater_guidebook/ Best, Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: 10 May 2009 11:24:53 UT Von: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Looking for canyon diablo strewn field map Hello again, Does anyone out there know of a journal article where the 80 degree angle is discussed, with the rationale behind proposing this value for the trajectory angle? D.J. Roddy and E.M. Shoemaker (1995) Meteor Crater: Summary of impact conditions (Meteoritics 30-5, 1995, A567, excerpts): Since the late 1950s, studies of this crater have presented an increasingly clearer view of this impact and its effects and have provided an improved view of impact cratering in general. To expand on this dataset, we are preparing an upgraded summary on the Meteor Crater event ... including inormation and interpretations on (1)...(2)...(3) estimated speed, trajectory, angle of impact, ... the trajectory of the impacting body is interpreted by EMS (= E.M. Shoemaker) as traveling north-northwest at a relatively low impact angle... I don't know whether E.M. Shoemaker still had time enough to publish this upgraded summary before his tragic accident in Australia. Best Sunday wishes to all, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Angrite or not?
Hi List, I've seen this one on eBay for 3 consecutive weeks now. First, it was listed for hundreds of dollars BIN, but that original listing was apparently deleted or removed because it cannot be found in the completed listings search. Last week, the item was listed with a $150 BIN and a reserve - it received bids, but closed without the reserve being met or the BIN being used. Now, the same specimen is again listed, this time for a fraction of the original listing price and half of last week's BIN price. Current listing - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150344532805 Previous listing - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150343730391 Such a series of listings would raise some red flags under most circumstances - it means either the seller is desperate for money and wants to keep relisting it until someone bites, or the item itself is questionable. Another red flag - and maybe I am wrong on this one - but the photo doesn't *look* like angrite to me. I've owned a micromount of NWA 2999 previously and my piece had excellent provenance - it didn't look anything like this specimen on eBay. Secondly, it doesn't resemble any photos of angrite commonly seen. So, is this piece angrite or not? Does anyone know the seller?I have no idea who the seller is, and my apologies if the piece is legit. Just curious about what's going on here... MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Daylight Fireball! Meteor Plane or Space, Debris?
Complete with photo and article of the sighting. http://fremantlebiz.livejournal.com/483475.html To me, that picture shows an high altitude aircraft contrail. See dozens of these here in the sky daily. - Marco - Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl http://www.dmsweb.org http://www.marcolangbroek.nl - __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Geological Blogs About coastal 'chevrons' and mega-tsunamis
Dera Friends, Below are various blogs by geologists about the ongoing discussion concerning coastal 'chevrons' and mega-tsunamis. More reasons to conclude that coastal 'chevrons' are not related mega-tsunamis, Hindered Settling, May 9, 2009 http://zsylvester.blogspot.com/2009/05/more-reasons-to-conclude-that-coastal.html Chevrons, olelog What on earth April 29, 2009, Ole Nielsen http://my.opera.com/nielsol/blog/2009/04/29/chevrons Older Posts Some questions about the 'megatsunami-chevrons, Hindered Settling. March 9, 2008 http://zsylvester.blogspot.com/2008/03/some-questions-about-megatsunami.html Some questions about the 'megatsunami chevrons': addendum, Hindered Settling, , May 10, 2008 http://zsylvester.blogspot.com/2008/05/some-questions-about-megatsunami.html Retreat of the Megatsunami?, Category: geohazards, Highly Allochthonous March 11, 2008, by Chris Rowan http://scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2008/03/retreat_of_the_megatsunami.php Return of the Megatsunami, Highly Allochthonous, March 8, 2008, by Chris Rowan http://scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2008/03/return_of_the_megatsunami.php A press release about what the discussion about is Contrary to recent hypothesis, 'chevrons' are not evidence of megatsunamis, Geological Times. http://www.geologytimes.com/research/Contrary_to_recent_hypothesis_chevrons_are_not_evidence_of_megatsunamis.asp Best Regards, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Angrite or not?
Mike, Looking more angritish now? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120397007921 Best wishes, Doug -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:22 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrite or not? Hi List, I've seen this one on eBay for 3 consecutive weeks now. First, it was listed for hundreds of dollars BIN, but that original listing was apparently deleted or removed because it cannot be found in the completed listings search. Last week, the item was listed with a $150 BIN and a reserve - it received bids, but closed without the reserve being met or the BIN being used. Now, the same specimen is again listed, this time for a fraction of the original listing price and half of last week's BIN price. Current listing - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150344532805 Previous listing - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150343730391 Such a series of listings would raise some red flags under most circumstances - it means either the seller is desperate for money and wants to keep relisting it until someone bites, or the item itself is questionable. Another red flag - and maybe I am wrong on this one - but the photo doesn't *look* like angrite to me. I've owned a micromount of NWA 2999 previously and my piece had excellent provenance - it didn't look anything like this specimen on eBay. Secondly, it doesn't resemble any photos of angrite commonly seen. So, is this piece angrite or not? Does anyone know the seller? I have no idea who the seller is, and my apologies if the piece is legit. Just curious about what's going on here... MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] USGS Open House in Menlo Park, May 16 and 17
USGS Open House Offers Wealth of Activities Entertainment and education await visitors of all ages at the U.S. Geological Survey's (USGS) Menlo Park Science Center Open House on Saturday, May 16 and Sunday, May 17. The Open House will be from 10:00 a.m. until 4:00 p.m. both days, and admission is free of charge. http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2215 Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Angrite or not?
Hi Doug, Norbert, and List, I am schooled again. Thanks for that link Doug. It does resemble the specimen in the auction link provided. I saw the Hupe card, but I also noticed that the specimen is not in the original Hupe gemjar or stapled ziploc bag. Typically (Adam and/or Greg can correct me here if I am wrong), the Hupe collection small micro specimens come in a 1 gemjar with a small circular, colored label on the lid. This gemjar is then placed in a small ziploc bag which is stapled to the specimen card. I own many micros like this and I have a habit of taking them out of the 1 Hupe-supplied gemjars and putting them into 1.25 gemjars which I have standardized into my collection. I keep the Hupe specimen cards in my file. So, if I were to resell a specimen such as the one on eBay I originally posted about, it might raise the same red flags in a potential buyer's mind - yes there is a Hupe card shown, but it's not in the original Hupe packaging so the card is less relevant and dependant on provenance and/or the reputation of the seller. I don't put a ton of stock into memberships or credentials, but I do feel more assured (as a buyer) if I see that the seller is a member of the Meteoritical Society or IMCA - or, if they are a familiar face on the market. So I was a little weary of this listing when I saw it and I wanted some input from the veterans of the list. It seems the specimen is likely genuine based on photo comparisons - it's larger and has more aesthetic features (a vein?) than my old NWA 2999 micro. In my mind, I had erroneously assumed that angrite had a texture more in line with friability and that it wouldn't resemble the specimen shown in the auction photos - or in most of the photos I had seen. Even though I'd like to acquire another angrite specimen for my cabinet (I currently don't have that type represented amongst my 43 types), I will pass on this one. I need to cool my spending jets anyway before the wife kills me. ;) Thanks for straightening me out (again) and best regards to the list, MikeG On 5/10/09, Mexicodoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: Mike, Looking more angritish now? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120397007921 Best wishes, Doug -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:22 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Angrite or not? Hi List, I've seen this one on eBay for 3 consecutive weeks now. First, it was listed for hundreds of dollars BIN, but that original listing was apparently deleted or removed because it cannot be found in the completed listings search. Last week, the item was listed with a $150 BIN and a reserve - it received bids, but closed without the reserve being met or the BIN being used. Now, the same specimen is again listed, this time for a fraction of the original listing price and half of last week's BIN price. Current listing - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150344532805 Previous listing - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150343730391 Such a series of listings would raise some red flags under most circumstances - it means either the seller is desperate for money and wants to keep relisting it until someone bites, or the item itself is questionable. Another red flag - and maybe I am wrong on this one - but the photo doesn't *look* like angrite to me. I've owned a micromount of NWA 2999 previously and my piece had excellent provenance - it didn't look anything like this specimen on eBay. Secondly, it doesn't resemble any photos of angrite commonly seen. So, is this piece angrite or not? Does anyone know the seller? I have no idea who the seller is, and my apologies if the piece is legit. Just curious about what's going on here... MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 10, 2009
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_10_2009.html __ Michael Johnson http://www.rocksfromspace.org http://www.sikhote-alin.org **The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=M ay51009AvgfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Daylight Fireball! Meteor Plane or Space, Debris?
Normally I would agree. However this one seemed to be a different color. The trail seemed darker, or dirtier than the usually pristine white of a high altitude jetliner. And in the original report stated a witness (the photographers daughter) stated she had seen what appeared to be pieces falling away from the object during flight. ...It was very bright and there were chunks breaking away... Read Paul Weaver's Report Here On LiveJournal: http://fremantlebiz.livejournal.com/483475.html Also there wasn't the usual pin-prick of a point to the trails. You could argue this is because of the low resolution of the photo though. I was clear in my article on my site that this is as yet unidentified, though I do think the possibility of it being a fireball is there. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/blog/meteorite-articles/daylight-fireball-over-rottnest-island-australia-photo/ On the jetliner side of this, I do not see a ball of fire at the front most portion of the trail of smoke. Only contrails. Do a search on contrails and thumb through the thousands of contrail images. Analysis of the images will quickly show that there's one thing in common. Most have 2 very clear trails immediately from the rear of the plane. There are a few where the contrails converge into one, but even those usually show a plan at the front. This fireball has two very faint trails but they converge very distinctly into one larger one. I don't know what this is... That's why I posted it. Regardless of what it is, it brings up an interesting conversation topic about fireballs. Specifically ones seen during the day. This might just be a daylight meteor fireball, and a large one at that... Regards, Eric Marco Langbroek wrote: Complete with photo and article of the sighting. http://fremantlebiz.livejournal.com/483475.html To me, that picture shows an high altitude aircraft contrail. See dozens of these here in the sky daily. - Marco - Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl http://www.dmsweb.org http://www.marcolangbroek.nl - __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Daylight Fireball! Meteor Plane or Space, Debris?
Normally I would agree. However this one seemed to be a different color. The trail seemed darker, or dirtier than the usually pristine white of a high altitude jetliner. And in the original report stated a witness (the photographers daughter) stated she had seen what appeared to be pieces falling away from the object during flight. No matter what the witnesses say, often it's not always totally accurate. You have to sift thru it some. The clincher for me is that the trail of a meteor will very rapidly snake all over the place caused by high altitude winds. No signs of that here at all. GeoZay **The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222376999x1201454299/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=62bcd=M ay51009AvgfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for canyon diablo strewn field map
Very good info Alex, thank you. I am thinking that there must be a viable search area that is not a part of the Barringer land or the BLM land. I have scouted the area and talked to the sheriff in Flagstaff, AZ. The sheriff basically said that anyone hunting for meteorites in any areas around the above lands will be arrested. One will need written proof that they have permission from the land owner where they are hunting. I know this sounds rather wimpy but, as a member of the IMCA, I can't hunt the Diablo area illegally. So, I am attempting to find a legal way to hunt. There must be a way. Best to all and thanks for the help. Griff - Original Message - From: Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; pi...@xs4all.nl; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for canyon diablo strewn field map Regarding Canyon Diablo aka Barringer crater, just take the A train...: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/books/barringer_crater_guidebook/ Best, Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: 10 May 2009 11:24:53 UT Von: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Looking for canyon diablo strewn field map Hello again, Does anyone out there know of a journal article where the 80 degree angle is discussed, with the rationale behind proposing this value for the trajectory angle? D.J. Roddy and E.M. Shoemaker (1995) Meteor Crater: Summary of impact conditions (Meteoritics 30-5, 1995, A567, excerpts): Since the late 1950s, studies of this crater have presented an increasingly clearer view of this impact and its effects and have provided an improved view of impact cratering in general. To expand on this dataset, we are preparing an upgraded summary on the Meteor Crater event ... including inormation and interpretations on (1)...(2)...(3) estimated speed, trajectory, angle of impact, ... the trajectory of the impacting body is interpreted by EMS (= E.M. Shoemaker) as traveling north-northwest at a relatively low impact angle... I don't know whether E.M. Shoemaker still had time enough to publish this upgraded summary before his tragic accident in Australia. Best Sunday wishes to all, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA scientist begins search for Merced, California meteorite
Try again; this time without html... To all the folks who've already been looking for this potential fall, sorry about the begins the search thing. I'm certain that I mentioned to the journo that others had been looking for it, but that part didn't make it into print. Cheers, MDF On 5/8/09 4:29 AM, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List, Another meteorite search has begun. Marc Fries, a list member, is in the news: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee Coordinates and pieces for sale
Bernd, I made a mistake with the W coordinate. All the W50's should read W53. The GPS had small low res numbers but I was able to confirm correct numbers from pictures I took. Thanks for pointing this out. Cheers! Mike bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Hello Mike T. and List, The Met.Bull. gives these coordinates: 52° 59.76 ' N, 109° 50.89' W The 11.5-gram specimen you are offering for sale nicely fits the above coordinates but the 6.8-gram and 23.5-gram individuals have a northern latitude of about 50° N. Does this imply the strewn field is a very elongated N-S fall ellipse and, furthermore, does this hint toward a relatively shallow entry angle of the meteoroid? What do you and other list members think? Any pertinent input appreciated! Thank you, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Geological Blogs About coastal 'chevrons' andmega-tsunamis
Hi, Chevron-ists Pro and Con, Lumping all these comments together, I notice a few disconcerting things. Most just mention impacts as the name of an opposing theory, but a few discuss impacts, and their remarks are revealing. One reasons that there were a finite number of asteroids to begin with, that they been being used up for billions of years, and that there can't be enough of them left to account for all these impacts. Do we really need to dignify that with a reply? Another suggests that the number of asteroids observed near the Earth are far too few to account for all the recent impacts, therefore most recent impacts are mis-identified and never happened. And so on... This is what I call naive uninformed skepticism and is basically a pseudo-rationale for people who just don't like the idea of impacts. Another mental limitation is expressed in the doubt of several that tsunamis are capable of getting very high, say, over 100 meters. Theirs is not a qualitative calculated doubt, just a prejudice against any events ever being very extreme. Good Old Time Geological Religion -- Anti-Catastrophism. Apparently, they are unfamiliar with the fact the maximum OBSERVED tsunami wave height is 1722 feet (525 meters). There is no physical limit to the height of a tsunami and no theoretical reason why you couldn't generate one 3000 or 4000 meters high. (Can I borrow that asteroid for a minute?) I complained about the lack of spadework, and now I learn from one blog that Bourgeois never visited ANY chevrons except by means of Google Earth. Tourist Science. Dallas Abbott, the originator of the mega-tsunami theory addresses the wind-blown theory in some detail (at least for the Madagascan chevrons) here: http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-staticname=i1052-5173-18-6-e12ct=1 You could wait for the next big ocean impact, or (to repeat my earlier point): fieldwork, fieldwork, fieldwork!... Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Paul bristo...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Geological Blogs About coastal 'chevrons' andmega-tsunamis Dera Friends, Below are various blogs by geologists about the ongoing discussion concerning coastal 'chevrons' and mega-tsunamis. More reasons to conclude that coastal 'chevrons' are not related mega-tsunamis, Hindered Settling, May 9, 2009 http://zsylvester.blogspot.com/2009/05/more-reasons-to-conclude-that-coastal.html Chevrons, olelog What on earth April 29, 2009, Ole Nielsen http://my.opera.com/nielsol/blog/2009/04/29/chevrons Older Posts Some questions about the 'megatsunami-chevrons, Hindered Settling. March 9, 2008 http://zsylvester.blogspot.com/2008/03/some-questions-about-megatsunami.html Some questions about the 'megatsunami chevrons': addendum, Hindered Settling, , May 10, 2008 http://zsylvester.blogspot.com/2008/05/some-questions-about-megatsunami.html Retreat of the Megatsunami?, Category: geohazards, Highly Allochthonous March 11, 2008, by Chris Rowan http://scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2008/03/retreat_of_the_megatsunami.php Return of the Megatsunami, Highly Allochthonous, March 8, 2008, by Chris Rowan http://scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2008/03/return_of_the_megatsunami.php A press release about what the discussion about is Contrary to recent hypothesis, 'chevrons' are not evidence of megatsunamis, Geological Times. http://www.geologytimes.com/research/Contrary_to_recent_hypothesis_chevrons_are_not_evidence_of_megatsunamis.asp Best Regards, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chat
Greetings List, If anyone is interested in chatting during or after tonight's show (or any other time)--I set up a freebie site a while back at an easy-to-remember URL: www.meteoritechat.com Hope you enjoy, Whitney __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Catastrophe and history - Comparing Mars to Earth
Comparing Mars to Earth: Catastrophe and history. Geological Society of America Special Paper 453. http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-05/gsoa-cmt050109.php TOC at: http://rock.geosociety.org/Bookstore/toc/spe453.htm Comparing Mars to Earth: Catastrophe and history (5/5/2009) “This GSA Special Paper focuses on the catastrophic events that have influenced both Mars and Earth and is part of the ongoing search for the correct balance between catastrophic and processes. The book aims to expand the geoscience horizons of a wide range of readers by examining evidence for various geologic catastrophes on both Earth and Mars, their preservation on Earth as compared to Mars, and how these events may have influenced Earth's evolution. http://www.geologytimes.com/research/Comparing_Mars_to_Earth_Catastrophe_and_history.asp Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Satellite Debris
Space Weather News for May 10, 2009 http://spaceweather.com SATELLITE DEBRIS: On Feb. 10, 2009, Iridium 33 crashed into Cosmos 2251 and the two satellites were shattered. Since then, US Strategic Command has catalogued nearly a thousand pieces of debris. Today's edition of http://spaceweather.com presents 3D maps showing where the fragments are located on the three-month anniversary of the unprecedented collision. One large piece of Iridium 33 wreckage is visible to the naked eye as it tumbles through the night sky flashing every 4.7 seconds. Check the Simple Satellite Tracker for flyby times: http://spaceweather.com/flybys __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Rover Stuck in Loose Soil
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_12329089 Mars rover stuck in loose soil By Alfred Lee Pasadena Star News May 8, 2009 LA CANADA FLINTRIDGE - After five years of scurrying around hostile terrain and toughing out six-month Martian winters, the Mars Rover Spirit faces a new problem familiar to Earthlings: It's stuck in loose soil. Spirit ran aground of some fluffy material on May 1, Jet Propulsion Laboratory officials said Friday. To make matters worse, a small mound of rocks underneath threatens to throw the intrepid robot off balance. This is a really big concern. We've never been in a situation like this when we've been at risk of high centering the rover, project manager John Callas said. There is a real danger of it getting permanently stuck. Since getting stuck, Spirit has only managed to move tens of centimeters, Callas said. Its wheels are now buried up to the hubcaps. Things have gotten so hairy that on Thursday, mission planners decided to stop trying to move Spirit altogether. We're going to use the rover's instruments to try to characterize the soil to get a better understanding of what it is, Callas said. Simultaneously on the ground, we're going to try to simulate some of those materials in a kind of Martian sandbox where we have a full scale engineering rover. Mission planners will test out possible movements in the JPL sandbox, which is about 30 feet by 30 feet, Callas said. JPL scientists are probably weeks away from attempting to move the rover again. Spirit's counterpart, Opportunity, is generally doing better, save for a problem with one of its wheels, Callas said. The concern for Opportunity on the other side of the planet is the right front wheel, which has shown problems of drawing more current than the other wheels, he said. Engineers have responded to what they believe is a lubrication problem by periodically resting the rover. In 2005, Opportunity inadvertently dug itself into a sand dune and was stuck there for more than a month before being maneuvered out. Both rovers have remained operating much longer than anticipated. The rovers landed in Mars in January 2004, and were only expected to last 90 days. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update: April 30 - May 6, 2009
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Another Power Boost, But Difficult Driving - sols 1893-1899, April 30 - May 6, 2009: Spirit has now completed 19 sols of operation without any recurrence of the anomalous behavior that happened between Sol 1872 (April 9, 2009) and Sol 1881 (April 18, 2009). In addition to changes made to the rover's wake-sleep cycle and internal data logging, a new ability to detect amnesia events has been implemented. There is still no explanation for the previous anomalies, and the investigation is continuing. Spirit is currently challenged by some very difficult terrain on the west side of Home Plate. The rover encountered very loose, soft material while driving south on its current path. So Spirit is now in the process of backing out. However, with only five driving wheels, its progress has been very difficult. Only centimeters have been achieved over the last four drive sols. It is expected that extracting Spirit from this location will require many more drive sols. The good news is that Spirit experienced another solar array dust cleaning event. On Sol 1899 (May 6, 2009), energy production improved by more than 25 percent. As of Sol 1899 (May 6, 2009), Spirit's solar array energy production is about 500 watt-hours, equivalent to what is needed to light a 100-watt bulb for five hours. Atmospheric opacity (tau) is at 0.821. The dust factor has improved substantially to 0.515, meaning that about 51.5 percent of sunlight hitting the solar array penetrates the layer of dust on the array. Spirit has more solar array energy than Opportunity for the first time in a very long time. Spirit's total odometry is 7,729.93 meters (4.80 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Study an Outcrop While Resting a Wheel - sols 1872-1878, April 30 - May 6, 2009: After moving around a troublesome ripple, on Sol 1872 (April 30, 2009) Opportunity performed a dog-leg maneuver heading south and achieving about 42 meters (138 feet) of distance. Electrical current levels in the right-front wheel have resumed larger-than-normal levels. The next drive, on Sol 1873 (May 1, 2009), was backward for about 50 meters (164 feet). The wheel currents remained elevated. The project decided to take advantage of a contact-instruments science campaign to rest the actuator again. So on Sol 1877 (May 5, 2009), a short bump was performed to position the rover on exposed rock outcrop for the contact science. That work will proceed over the next several sols while the right front wheel actuator rests. As of Sol 1877 (May 5, 2009), Opportunity's solar array energy production is 491 watt-hours, the atmospheric opacity (tau) remains around 0.811 and the dust factor is 0.609. Opportunity's total odometry as of Sol 1878 (May 6, 2009) is 15,902.37 meters (9.88 miles). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man Unearths Meteorite in SW Kansas
Man Unearths Meteorite in SW Kansas http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=10336504 Posted: May 10, 2009 06:19 PM EDT Updated: May 10, 2009 06:52 PM EDT By Alana Rocha (KIOWA COUNTY, Kan.) They come from outer space and are embedded in fields across Kansas. Countless meteorites, of all shapes and sizes are uncovered every year here. Eyewitness News traveled to the southwest part of the state to witness the latest discovery and learn what it says about the area. To most of us, it's a field with a rock sitting in a hole in the middle of it. To Don Stimpson, This is just a tremendously unique area in the whole world. As curator of the Kansas Meteorite Museum in Haviland, Stimpson has no problem explaining why. We just have the streamfield of this meteorite, of this type of meteorite in the whole world, he said. Sunday just east of Greensburg, he was ready to unearth his latest find - a rather odd-shaped piece Stimpson believes is a major chunk of the Brenham Meteorites. Brenham Meteorite History It took Stimpson and some friends less than an hour to harness it in, test the hold and hoist it out of the ground. It's estimated the meteorite has sat in the ground 20,000 years. And this day is the result of about two weeks of digging and a couple of months waiting on good Kansas weather to lift it out. Stimpson says, Maybe not everybody is a rock hound, but certainly within that community you can't help but be fascinated by coming out and picking up a piece of rock that came from space. With the meteorite in place, the Stimpsons make their way into town to see how much it weighs. Looks like 1,220 pounds, Stimpson calculates. He says of his find, That's another one of the main masses from this field. We've found several of them now. It's filling in the science of how this thing came in and broke up there. With a metal detector in hand, Stimpson vows to continue scouring the fields in his area to help fill in the gaps. Stimpson will now spend some time cleaning the meteorite before displaying it in his museum near Haviland. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Extended Trailer / Teaser Now onYouTube
One word, Geoff: fantastic! Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Notkin Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 3:10 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Extended Trailer / Teaser Now onYouTube Dear Listees: Greetings comrades. Our production company has uploaded an extended promo for Meteorite Men to YouTube. This is actually the opening sequence of the show. We hope you enjoy it, and US subscribers please tune in tomorrow, Sunday, at 9pm on Science Channel and Science Channel HD if you can. Please note that in some markets there is an earlier broadcast at 6 pm Pacific. For the rest of you, around the world, we do hope for news about an international release and/or DVD release and will let you know, when we know : ) This should give you a good idea of the flavor of the show: Extended trailer / teaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pA-tYNwh1o Thanks to everyone who has given us feedback and encouragement along the way. Steve and I have been wrapped up in this project for seventeen months, and the generous support of our friends and colleagues means a whole lot to us. With best wishes to all, Geoff N. Tucson, AZ www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Program
Geoff and Steve, That was a fun and informative program! I believe the public will certainly demand more and I look forward to this becoming a series. Congratulations on a job well done! My best, Thomas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man Unearths Meteorite in SW Kansas
It looks like this strewn-field is still being milked for more press. If I read the poorly written article properly, Stimpson now claims to have the main masses? I thought he made this claim before stating a bunch of fragments from the same hole added up to several tons. Does he live on the Kimberly farm that Nininger wrote about? Something about a buffalo wallow being the main impact crater? Anyway, it seems that he continues to keep the press active forgetting about Nininger and Haag who came before him. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [AD] Park Forest Garza Stone 178 grams.
It was taken to an entomologist which confirmed that by a flexibility test of the wings it was highly possible that the time of death was caused by the impact. Tell us more about these flexibility tests. When any fresh witnessed fall is found in situ, a bag of the soil from the impact area is always collected, isn't it? There should already be a fine record of worms, weevils, aphids and all sorts of microbes on record as having been dashed by meteorites. Just imagine the devastation caused by a 200 gram meteorite destroying a square foot of micro environment. Oh the horror. I guess a termite is a real lunker. From: meteori...@online.nl To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:14:48 +0200 Subject: [meteorite-list] [AD] Park Forest Garza Stone 178 grams. Listioids, Before it goes to Ebay: The Park Forest fragment we offer is a 178,2 gram crusted fragment. This is the piece seen many times on the news, together with the 2,2 kg. main mass when a park Forest police officer is showing how the 178 grams piece fits perfectly on the main mass. Collectors who own the Park Forest dvd sure will recognize the fragment seen many times there. Another thing which makes this fragment extra special is that when it broke off from the main mass during impact, it smashed through the window and landed outside on the patio. This means this is the only meteorite in existence which landed in a house and went back outside again!!! Another rarest items including this Museum display set is an insect, a termite which was found along the debris on the floor of the bedroom. It seems that during impact it was hidden in the ceiling together with a few others. It was taken to an entomologist which confirmed that by a flexibility test of the wings it was highly possible that the time of death was caused by the impact. This means this may be the only animal in existence which remained for display. Another animal, a cow which was hit by the Valera meteorite has gone forever. The Termite was obtained from the Hupes, all other meteorite items from this event were obtained from Fernlea meteorites. The following items include this rarest historical museum display set: The Park Forest meteorite Garza fragment of 178,2 grams. It has a beautiful crust, brown stains from hitting the wooden joist and white spots from the plaster ceiling. Large fragment of the wooden joist (as seen on the pictures here) It clearly shows the point of impact of the meteorite. 3 large pieces of ceiling plaster fragments. The termite, nicely protected in a membrane box. Pieces of the Venetian blinds that were at the window and got damaged by the meteorite. Pieces of glass from the bedroom window where the meteorite fell through. A hand signed letter of authenticity from Mr. Garza, provided by Rob Elliot from Fernlea meteorites. It is no doubt this highly collectible set should belong to a museum collection!! Please do not email for separate sales of the items. The set will stay complete at all times. Shipping options will be discussed after the sale is complete and the shipping cost will be added to the final amount. Shipping only to the U.S, Europe and Australia. Offers starting at $11.000 are welcome. This means it's priced for a little over $60.00 per gram including all impact items. Pictures on request, off list please. NO TRADES. Paypal only. Best, Jan. IMCA 9833 Holland __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man Unearths Meteorite in SW Kansas
I apologize to Mr. Simpson. I was informed that he really does care about the science and is not chasing press for self-promotional purposes. I guess my beef is with the article as it contained several errors and should have been proofed a little better. There was a link providing the history of the find and acknowledging Nininger's contributions. I did not see it in the posting but it appeared when I linked to the article. I should have given Mr. Simpson the benefit of the doubt but listened to many previous negative posts here on the List. I am still of a treasure hunter's mind when it comes to talking to the press. They always seem to focus on the money and rarely report things correctly. I am sensitive about press because it nearly wiped an avocation I have enjoyed since 1975. Just ask any amateur or professional treasure hunter and they will tell you the same thing. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE Insights - TAMEDAGHT PHENOMENA - cross section through samples!
That was my thought as well, Steve. You may recall I posted some pictures to the list some time ago of a similar phenomenon where fragments got incorporated into the thickened crust on the backside of one of Marcin's oriented NWA meteorites. Here's one of the pictures of the specimen I have: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/NWA2826LL528gmMarcinCimalacloseup.jpg It's pretty easy to imagine a good sized chunk of this breaking loose in flight. Best Wishes, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 8:57:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] RE Insights - TAMEDAGHT PHENOMENA - cross section through samples! I have in my collection several odd very thick vesicular fusion crusts, about 3 mm thick and about a cm wide that were found in the Norton Co. strewnfield. These are certainly fusion crust from the backside of the main mass, or other oriented Norton individuals. These crusts are black with chunks of un-fused Norton meteorite embedded within. Looks like this material is very similar in formation as to what was found with the Norton meteorite. Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:26:57 +0200 From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Subject: [meteorite-list] Insights - TAMEDAGHT PHENOMENA - cross section through samples! To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 003101c9cdb7$74d40110$177f2...@name86d88d87e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good Evening List, Stefan's enquiring mind urged him (of course) to cut the samples of that ominous Tamdaght products - with an amazing results. And we want to share his observations here: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/tam1.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/tam2.jpg It turned out, that all fragments incorporated into that material are really meteoritic fragments! Even the large round fusion-crust-balls or bubbles emerging from the surface had a small fragment left inside. The fragments themselves are modified, the smaller ones seemed to be changed by heat more than the larger ones - but in all the original H5-matrix is still cognizable. No terrestrial stones or fragments he could find. Strange is, that the some of the assembled fragments show a thicker own fusion crust, some a thinner, some no crust at all. The dark glue between the fragments revealed under the microscope to be a weird mixture of a black melt (perhaps fusion crust too?), tiny glassy pearls and metal grains, the latter of a sometimes quite large size (possibly troilite). I decided, to name that material from now on to honour the observer: Ralewite :-) In the German meteorite forum, we're speculating about the formation of that strange conglomerate. Were from a flying meteorid in stable flight, developing a special fat crust, fragments merging from the apex to the backside, where they assembled? Was a stone with still soft fusion crust crossing a debris cloud of a fragmentation of another stone close in front of it and larded with splinters? Any other ideas? Ahem, of course we were already asked, whether we would sell some of the cuts. Well, perhaps 4 halves or so we can offer. Difficult to set a price, cause it's such an unique phaenomenon. So I'd like to orientate the price, on the result the specimen of glass melt without meteorite fragments, where in this discussion was reffered to, yielded on ebay. Guess that's o.k. cause these are cut and contain meteorite fragments, nobody will say anything against: 60$/g Best! Martin Stefan Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/ Free information on accounting careers. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/BLSrjpdegd1y1WDFw9w4EI6KaKWDBLW6nPQuMsSJWK0vTVXMpwSomnm8KLO/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
