[meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Hello list members I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . Of course I should have asked him whether it was attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. Jim Brady http://tr.im/sUQk __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 18, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] Martin, explanation please.
Yes, Of course the purpose of such paintings was not to depict the themes in a realistic or historical manner - but they are certainly more than just a transfer or translation of a topic, a story, in the present time of the painter. For example in that picture you see all at once. The destruction of Sodom, Lot and his daughters fleeing over the bridge, while his wife looks back, and the same Lot and his daughters in the foreground. And such paintings are overloaded with symbols and conventions. Colours, clothes, shapes, things, gestures, plants, animals.. they have a certain meaning, which the contemporary people knew, but which we don't understand today anymore. And with the composition of these elements the painters were playing and giving a certain message. Simple example - here you see from Lot only one leg - whenever you have man and a woman on a renaissance picture close together and you have a leg hidden or slung legs, then the contemporary beholders knew: Aha, intercourse. And why Leyden painted not normal bottles for the wine? Note also, how active Lot is. In the text of the bible Lot is made drunk and seduced by his daughters and in other paintings you will see lot depicted passive and as an aged. And what is the eye-catcher, the most pre-dominant element in that picture? The red tent with the entrance. Not directly a subtle but a quite hefty symbol... Look there we have the fireball and the fire raining down on the town, but the same fire you find in that torch-like object left of the tent. So maybe the meaning could be, ooops, that's not so fine, what you're doing there. Why there is that carrion in that scene - I don't think, it's because they had a barbecue - on the bridge there is a mule.. if it has to do with the bridge scene - maybe the stump or root which is so strangely emphasized by the illumination is something similar like Lot's wife on the bridge? On the other hand, note how the stump and the diagonal branch repeat the shape of the sinking ship... Why he didn't paint it like Duerer? http://xavi.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/durer_lot_sodom.jpg He knew Duerer and maybe that's why he painted Sodom and Gomorrah as harbour cities too? No idea about that stuff. Back to meteorites, I only chose that picture because the fire from the sky looks similar to other representations of meteorite falls, Certainly isn't pictured a meteorite shower, but that is the solution of Leyden how to paint: "Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven." Best! Martin PS: >it was after all, the biggest city ever >built up to that point in time and bigger than any >other city yet built. And what was with Asia? Angkor? China... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Sterling K. Webb Gesendet: Samstag, 18. Juli 2009 04:43 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: cdtuc...@comcast.net Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Martin, explanation please. Hi, This is hardly about meteorites, but... While the medieval artists probably worked in relative ignorance of the true appearances of ancient times, that becomes less and less true as time goes by. Van Leyden certainly knew his perfect little Northern European city is not what Sodom looked like, not how boats were, not bridges, etc. It was not the purpose of the 16th, 17th, 18th century artists to depict true classical or Biblical history. They wanted to picture the life around them as it was, and Bible stories and Greek and Roman myths were just an excuse to have a cover story (and to get a rich church or monastery to buy the painting). Medieval and Renaissance Rome, for example, still contained a vast sample of the ancient world's appearance; it was after all, the biggest city ever built up to that point in time and bigger than any other city yet built. But that's not what artists were interested in doing. It was not until the 19th century when suddenly the true appearance of ancient times, foreign lands, and other cultures became a theme for European artists. So the painting that bothers Carl so much: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Leyden-Lot.png is just a 16th century Dutch guy having a party with a couple of girls while cosmic disaster strikes all around him. It's like a bad movie (The Night of the Comet or Armageddon) where people do the same thing. How to get the respectable and churchy to pay for it? It's.. ahh... it's Lot... Yeah, and the destruction of Sodom! Yeah, that's the ticket. Wow! Lookit them fireballs! Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" To: Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martin, explanation please. > On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:52:33 -0700, you wrote: > >> >> >>The more I think of this painting
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Hi Jim Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does not appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do a nickel test. Matt --Original Message-- From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM Hello list members I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . Of course I should have asked him whether it was attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. Jim Brady http://tr.im/sUQk __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: > Hi Jim > Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does not > appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do a > nickel test. > Matt > --Original Message-- > From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk > Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures > Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM > > Hello list members > I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this > object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be > a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch > for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have > asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . > Of course I should have asked him whether it was > attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because > this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may > be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. > Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. > I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was > meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the > meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please > take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. > Jim Brady > > http://tr.im/sUQk > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Considering that it is light like aluminum, maybe it is a piece of melted aluminum? Why try to make things more complicated than they are? Mike Fowler Chicago Hello list members I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . Of course I should have asked him whether it was attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. Jim Brady http://tr.im/sUQk • Previous message: [meteorite-list] Martin, explanation please. • Next message: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 18, 2009 • Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Hi, all, I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp fire. Cheers, Pete > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: m...@mhmeteorites.com > CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures > > The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So > chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. > It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good > story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > > On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: >> Hi Jim >> Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does not >> appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do a >> nickel test. >> Matt >> --Original Message-- >> From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures >> Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM >> >> Hello list members >> I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this >> object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be >> a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch >> for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have >> asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . >> Of course I should have asked him whether it was >> attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because >> this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may >> be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. >> Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. >> I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was >> meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the >> meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please >> take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. >> Jim Brady >> >> http://tr.im/sUQk >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> Matt Morgan >> Mile High Meteorites >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com >> P.O. Box 151293 >> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > . > Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com > .. > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Hello and Good Morning all With the amount of space trash that is returning to earth, it very well could be a piece of 2024 aluminum. Or a missing bolt from the International space station. Put it in a box, give it a label and sell it on eBay! Ha! Have a great day! And you folks in Az running the desert, remember water, water, water! Don't make people come look for you Dennis > From: rsvp...@hotmail.com > To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; m...@mhmeteorites.com > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:05:27 -0400 > CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures > > > Hi, all, > > I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp fire. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > > >> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 >> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com >> To: m...@mhmeteorites.com >> CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures >> >> The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So >> chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. >> It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good >> story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> >> On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: >>> Hi Jim >>> Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does not >>> appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do a >>> nickel test. >>> Matt >>> --Original Message-- >>> From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >>> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures >>> Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM >>> >>> Hello list members >>> I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this >>> object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be >>> a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch >>> for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have >>> asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . >>> Of course I should have asked him whether it was >>> attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because >>> this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may >>> be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. >>> Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. >>> I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was >>> meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the >>> meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please >>> take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. >>> Jim Brady >>> >>> http://tr.im/sUQk >>> __ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> Matt Morgan >>> Mile High Meteorites >>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com >>> P.O. Box 151293 >>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA >>> __ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> . >> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com >> .. >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _ > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ NEW mobile Hotmail. Optimized for YOUR phone. Click here. http://windowslive.com/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_CS_MB_new_hotmail_072009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
Micheal and list, I feel Carl did nothing wrong, He found the strewnfield the only way he could, and he found it. I would have to say he did his homework. I see some hypocritical statements, Who is to say it is not a "free strewnfield" ? When somebody finds a meteorite, they can not call dibs on the strewnfield, So if I find a meteorite I can say nobody get to hunt for more until I say it's ok? That sounds crazy to me, thats just not how things are done. Just cuz it fell in AZ it does not make it any different than anyother fall, most falls are in some meteorite hunbters "backyard/state" that does not give them the right to say when somebody gets to hunt it, if they keep the coordinance serete and somebody find the strewnfield, no matter how they find it, it is fair game for them to hunt and give the coordinance out to whom ever they want to. I feel Steve made a good point, no matter how you found his car, you used the location of his car to get som info from him, no matter what you say you were there for, I am pretty sure that you hunted that area eventually. Carl did NOTHING wrong, he found it fair and square, this is nobody's fall, nobody no matter who live near it. IMHO. Best, Joe Kerchner http://skyrockcafe.com - Original Message From: Michael Farmer To: cdtuc...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; impact...@aol.com; meteorh...@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 2:13:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza Steve There are a few differences in these situations. 1. West was a free for all, I merely drove a mile down the road and found 5 or 6 cars and lots of hunters sitting beside the road, not exactly James Bond level work (I know them all) so I stopped. I was not out looking for you. And there were about 50 hunters in the strewnfield at that time, all we were doing was expanding the known area. 2. I was not begging people to give your vehicle information so I could spy on you. 3. This is not a free for all strewnfield yet, and Carl in that email was making offers, that if those he asked gave him my car data, he would make it worth their information. 4. Carl is acting like the searching for my vehicle is meteorite hunting as opposed to taking eyewitness reports, driving all over southern Arizona, taking aziumuths with compasses, and triangulating this fall, which is what Jack did. Homework paid off, he did not stoop to merely looking for the hunters. Steve, I wanted your data on your West stones more for total known weight and number of stones found more than coordinates. I knew where you were the whole time, and respected your location and me or people with me never hunted where you were. There is some respect involved actually. If hunters did their homework and showed up in the strewnfield, that is one thing, but to resort to spying on me, that is pitiful, like I said. I guess I have to watch for cars waiting at my gate from now on. Taking the shortcut is the way of a lazy person. Steve, there are differences in these situations. thanks by the way on your congrats for the stone I found, I sent a reply but with the wrong email so it did not go through. I feel that am IMCA member is acting in a way that is wrong, and Anne seems to agree. Michael Farmer --- On Fri, 7/17/09, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: > From: meteorh...@aol.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl > Esparza > To: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, impact...@aol.com, > meteorite...@yahoo.com > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 12:52 PM > Carl, Anne and Mike, > > I am a bit bewildered about this as well. > > If Carl had asked what car Farmer drove because he > wanted to slit his car > tires, that would be one thing. But I don't > think that is the case here. > > When I was at West hunting, and finding lots of > rocks, would I ever think > someone was doing something unethical if someone > asked what car I was > driving or where I was parked and hunting? > No. Would I want them to know? Not > always. So sometimes I would hide my car, or > take someone else's to a > hunting spot. > > If someone found my car, would I be mad at them? No. > Would I file an > ethics complaint with the IMCA? No. > > In fact, one afternoon I returned from a field near > where we had pulled a > lot of West stones out, only to see Farmer standing > by my car waiting. > Others around said he was waiting there for over a > half hour to talk with me. > Did he do anything unethical by doing that? I > don't think so. > > Did that make me want to share all my strewnfield > data with Mike even > though he was almost crying on the this list begging > for me to share it? No, > his attitude made me want to keep my info even more > secret. > > I find it flattering that Mike finally comes around > to my way of thinking > as he gains more ex
[meteorite-list] No market for meteorites
http://www.tribune-democrat.com/local/local_story_198230636.html?keyword=topstory Buyers delve for treasure from local troves By BERNIE HORNICK The Tribune-Democrat Being a field buyer for The Great Treasure Hunt is as much art as science. How to know, for instance, that the wedge of lumber a man pushed across the table was not the genuine piece of Noahs Ark he claimed it was? It was just a piece of petrified wood, buyer Matt Block declared with self-assurance Thursday, recalling the incident from another city. No sale. The Great Treasure Hunt is akin to a roving pawn shop that goes town to town, setting up for a few days at a motel and scarfing up a panoply of stuff to haul away for profitable resale. Sellers can unload items collecting dust to make a buck and in the midst of this Great Recession business is booming. The buyers tallied 25 customers before lunchtime Thursday at the Holiday Inn Express, 1440 Scalp Ave. Every week we get people in who are having trouble paying their bills, Block said. People would rather have the money. Eating is more important. In Johnstown, a woman sold items to pay for repairs to her car. Someone else here sold merchandise to heal a rescue dog that has cancer. And what an eclectic mix of goods Johnstown-area residents have been bringing in. Thursdays spoils included a Martin acoustic guitar, a menu from the 1940 maiden voyage of the Queen Elizabeth ocean liner and trench knives from World War I. Block and fellow buyer Tony Adams say they will look at anything that comes in the door, though not necessarily buy it. They see meteorites often, though theres no market for them. The Kernersville, N.C.-based company of 45 people has five teams of buyers on the road. Popular items the buyers pay for include scrap gold, old coins, watches and flatware. Each of the four buyers has a computer at his table to help determine a price. Block said they offer the best prices they can, but added, Were here to make money, and people realize that. The Great Treasure Hunt often finds a rich vein in older communities where residents might have good stuff and need a few dollars and where alternative outlets, such as pawn shops, are lacking. Do the buyers ever get rooked? Sure, on a weekly basis. They sometimes even buy dubious merchandise intentionally. We might buy knowing theres an 80 percent chance its fake, Adams said. We might buy a Babe Ruth autograph for $500 on the off chance its real. If its real, thats seven or eight grand. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo 11 Moon Rocks Photo
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:33:59 -0500, you wrote: >On a related note, anyone have a subscripton to Nature that could send me this >article I just googled up? > >http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v225/n5234/pdf/225717a0.pdf Someone kindly sent me a copy of the journal pages. There were bits of other papers at the begining and end of the relevant paper, including a couple of unrelated illustrations, so I removed all the unrelated material and reworked it as a single page, which you can doanload here: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/MSitSSTIC_paper.jpg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
All: I would think there should be some kind of meteorite hunting etiquette when someone discovers a strewn field/or any cold find. Whether it’s a certain amount of time or when the person, who makes the discovery, decides to release the information (note: at some point I think they should, because if some meteorites end up on the market then that would certainly appear as being greedy). I know if I discovered a meteorite (whether it was a fall or a cold find) I would like to gather all the science I could, perform the mapping and get any classifications done before anyone else came. I would probably invite people I knew and trusted to assist me. However, if it’s on BLM land, I could not stop anyone from searching the area – if they discovered it on their own and did not follow me. So I guess it just boils down to what you think is the right thing to do for both the science and the study of meteorites and whether your own conscience may bother you at night. Just one other thing – I think all of us as meteorite hunters should work together; it certainly would be more beneficial to both the hobby and the study of meteorites. Just my pennies worth, Greg S _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Search, add, and share the web’s latest sports videos. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in 24 hours
Sorry in case this posts twice. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Moritz Karl [mailto:moritzk...@t-online.de] Gesendet: Samstag, 18. Juli 2009 19:33 An: 'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com' Betreff: AD: ebay auctions ending in 24 hours Dear List, I have 12 ebay auctions ending in less approx. 24 hours. They are still all at bargain prices! The specimens for sale are: - Benguerir 4.82 gram crusted slice - Chergach 2.0 gram slice - Dar al Gani 400 0.07 gram lunar partslice - Dhofar 007 4.88 gram polished partslice - Estherville 7.56 gram partslice - Fukang 3.09 gram partslice with a big crystal - St. Genevieve County 7.85 gram etched partslice - Gibeon Sphere 21.45 gram - Indarch 0.74 gram partslice - Silicated Iron from Algeria 7.65 gram etched partslice of NWA 5549 - Zaklodzie 1.01 gram partslice Too see all the auctions please follow this link: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/mos-meteorites__W0QQ_armrsZ1 Alternatively you can see all auctions through my website: http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php Thank you for looking and Good Luck to anyone bidding. Regards Moritz Karl Germany Visit mos meteorites at http://www.m3t3orites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in 24 hours
Dear List, I have 12 ebay auctions ending in less approx. 24 hours. They are still all at bargain prices! The specimens for sale are: - Benguerir - 4.82 gram crusted slice - Chergach - 2.0 gram slice - Dar al Gani 400 - 0.07 gram lunar partslice - Dhofar 007 - 4.88 gram polished partslice - Estherville - 7.56 gram partslice - Fukang - 3.09 gram partslice with a big crystal - St. Genevieve County - 7.85 gram etched partslice - Gibeon Sphere - 21.45 gram - Indarch - 0.74 gram partslice - Silicated Iron from Algeria - 7.65 gram etched partslice of NWA 5549 - Zaklodzie - 1.01 gram partslice Too see all the auctions please follow this link: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/mos-meteorites__W0QQ_armrsZ1 Alternatively you can see all auctions through my website: http://www.m3t3orites.com/ebay.php Thank you for looking and Good Luck to anyone bidding. Regards Moritz Karl Germany Visit mo's meteorites at http://www.m3t3orites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sensational disclosure: Steve Arnold's Car Unveiled!
In my highly professional attempts and legitimate efforts to narrow the possible PA-fireball-strewnfield, I'm proud to be able to disclose an important, if not the most important parameter of this possible fall. I feel obligated to keep this information not secretly any longer, but to share it with the meteorite community of the World. Here to the left of that picture, taken and leaked to me by my network of informants under life-threatening circumstances, nothing else, than the conveyance of meteorite hunter Steve Arnold is shown on that authentic photo: http://www.meteoritemen.com/media/images/hi-res/atvs.jpg I know that this information is unpayable, but I'd say for the reason of fairness and for paying tribute to this masterpiece of investigation, I'll accept a payment of each member of the list of 400$ to my paypal-account. Man Joe, you aren't serious, are you? A good movie... http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare/treasure-sierra/47.11-warner.jpg that one too http://www.cinemaisdope.com/news/films/greed/greed.jpg watch them. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Joe Kerchner Gesendet: Samstag, 18. Juli 2009 18:25 An: meteorite list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter CarlEsparza Micheal and list, I feel Carl did nothing wrong, He found the strewnfield the only way he could, and he found it. I would have to say he did his homework. I see some hypocritical statements, Who is to say it is not a "free strewnfield" ? When somebody finds a meteorite, they can not call dibs on the strewnfield, So if I find a meteorite I can say nobody get to hunt for more until I say it's ok? That sounds crazy to me, thats just not how things are done. Just cuz it fell in AZ it does not make it any different than anyother fall, most falls are in some meteorite hunbters "backyard/state" that does not give them the right to say when somebody gets to hunt it, if they keep the coordinance serete and somebody find the strewnfield, no matter how they find it, it is fair game for them to hunt and give the coordinance out to whom ever they want to. I feel Steve made a good point, no matter how you found his car, you used the location of his car to get som info from him, no matter what you say you were there for, I am pretty sure that you hunted that area eventually. Carl did NOTHING wrong, he found it fair and square, this is nobody's fall, nobody no matter who live near it. IMHO. Best, Joe Kerchner http://skyrockcafe.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What got you into meteorites?
Why am I into meteorites? I started off as a sci fi fan, and a major Star Wars collector (AKA, a nerd) A friend of mine that owns a local rock and mineral store came across a meteorite for me and I picked it up. I then ventured onto the internet in search of information about it and discovered I could buy Campo crystals rather cheap... I was using tumbled earth rocks as a method to teach my daughter math and thought meteorites would be a neat way to help her learn to do math. The first person I bought from - Bob C. was really nice and I ended up buying alot of Campo individuals, a really nice half gram martian from him and other really nice meteorites - from there, my collection suddenly took on a life of its own. When I purchased my first Lunar (Dhofar 910) from Adam Hupe, I quickly saw that for me to grow my collection like I wanted (Im not that big into micros) I would need to buy in bulk to get better prices. I started searching around to see who could give me good deals for buying in bulk... In turn I went around to local shops such as comic book and rock/mineral stores and shows trying to sell the extra material. For me, meteorites were/are not really a money thing, but a way that allows me to offer a method of teaching that is "neat" for my daughter and also allows me to actually touch, smell and better understand space, where we came from and where we are going. What is more cool then holding a piece of the moon? We always see sensational hollywood movies such as Armageddon, Deep Impact etc... Meteorites allow us to actually hold what the blockbuster movies are all about - Meteorites! In the 3 years we have been involved with this "hobby" my daughter has now expressed a major interest in being a "meteorite scientist" when she grows up! At 7 years old, she can tell you what makes achondrites and chondrites different, she can go into detail about Irons and Pallasites and alot of other really cool stuff I wish I would have known at 7 years old. She is now also a collector also. So, while meteorites for us started off simply as a way to teach math to my little girl, we both have since learned a great deal and they have given me and her valuable time together doing something we both enjoy. Thats what got us into meteorites - a simple gift and a thought of a neat teaching tool! Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Martin, explanation please.
Martin, You're absolutely right about the symbolism in the painting. Van Leyden was not a medieval painter, he was a Northern Renaissance painter. The Medievals did almost exclusively sacred works, altar pieces, illuminated manuscripts, etc. Mainly because the Church was the only patron that could afford to pay them. Early and High Renaissance painters were still beholden to the Church because that's where the money was. Michaelangelo, Rafael and the Pope for example. All their best work was done for the Church. Van Leyden lived in a transitional period between Church and businessmen patronage. With the emergence of the Dutch merchant class, (an early flowering of capitalism), for the first time (outside of royalty and the court painters), you had lay people who could afford to buy fine art. This led to the development of genre painting, the depiction of everyday life. Artists were freed from the dominance of the subject matter and focused on style and form.The Golden Agers developed an incredibly realistic style. I love looking at the drops of water on grapes and the detailed flies in fruit still lifes. The realism of the Dutch Golden Age was only exceeded by the Photorealist Movement. Genre paintings were extremely popular in their day. They were seen as puzzles or riddles to be solved by the viewers. People studied and discussed them endlessly. They often contained inside jokes and contemporary references. They would poke fun at the high and mighty. The Rijksmuseum is full of excellent examples of genre painting. Delightful stuff, with people drinking, smoking, laughing, fighting, having sex, pooping, peeing, etc. Once they got away from all the religious, historical, mythological subjects, it opened up a whole new way of looking at things. I think this was the beginning of Modern Art. Phil Pieter de Hooch Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3)Londonderry, N. Ireland THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html The first Ireland meteorite? Michael On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: > > Hi, all, > > I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp fire. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > > >> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 >> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com >> To: m...@mhmeteorites.com >> CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures >> >> The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So >> chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. >> It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good >> story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> >> On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: >>> Hi Jim >>> Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does not >>> appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do a >>> nickel test. >>> Matt >>> --Original Message-- >>> From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >>> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures >>> Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM >>> >>> Hello list members >>> I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this >>> object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be >>> a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch >>> for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have >>> asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . >>> Of course I should have asked him whether it was >>> attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because >>> this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may >>> be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. >>> Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. >>> I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was >>> meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the >>> meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please >>> take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. >>> Jim Brady >>> >>> http://tr.im/sUQk >>> __ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> Matt Morgan >>> Mile High Meteorites >>> http://www.mhmeteorites.com >>> P.O. Box 151293 >>> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA >>> __ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> . >> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com >> .. >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _ > Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
According to the Met Bulletin - Northern Ireland has 2 approved mets - Bovedy (L3 fall 1969) Crumlin (L5 fall 1902) Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites reveals an additional 5 meteorites for Ireland, in addition to the 2 for Northern Ireland - that makes a total of 7. Limerick (H5 fall, 1813) Dundrum (H5 fall, 1865) Mooresfort (H5 fall, 1810) Killeter (H6 fall, 1844) Pettiswood (unclassified fall, 1779) Some observations - The Irish have sharp eyes. Every approved meteorite from that nation is a witnessed fall. So, the original poster that inquired about his suspect specimen could be right in his assertion - there are no FINDS from Ireland, only falls. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: > I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite > But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3)Londonderry, N. Ireland > THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: > http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html > The first Ireland meteorite? > Michael > > > On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: > >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp >> fire. >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 >>> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com >>> To: m...@mhmeteorites.com >>> CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? >>> pictures >>> >>> The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So >>> chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. >>> It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good >>> story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> MikeG >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Jim Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does not appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do a nickel test. Matt --Original Message-- From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM Hello list members I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . Of course I should have asked him whether it was attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. Jim Brady http://tr.im/sUQk __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> . >>> Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) >>> Member of the Meteoritical Society. >>> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com >>> .. >>> __ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> _ >> Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. >> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical S
[meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find?
Michael, Bovedy is in Northern Ireland, not Ireland, they're different countries. There are 6 official Fightin' Irish meteorites. (Plus 2 from Northern Ireland), though one of the 6 is from Ulster. ( What the Unionists call NI). The first was the observed fall of Pettiswood in 1779. It's an unclassified stone. (You would think they would have classified it by now!). Then there are the 3 Munster H5s (probably paired?), the 1865 Dundrum, the 1810 Mooresfort and the big 50 kg one found in 1813 near Limerick. There once was a meteorite from Munster, it was found by a drunken funster, he said to his whore, we could look for more, maybe over there in that dumpster? They lifted the lid a bit, and there in a snit were Farmer and Arnold fighting over it. (Sorry I couldn't resist.) Then you had the 1844 Killeter (Ulster), and the latest one found in 1999 near Leighlinbridge. Phil Luck 'O The Irish Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find?
MikeG, You're right all the Irish meteorites are observed falls. What are the chances of 3 unpaired observed H5 falls all occurring in Munster Ireland in 1810, 1813, and again in 1865? Sounds incredible. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics
Hi Joe/List, > I feel Carl did nothing wrong, He found the strewnfield the > only way he could, and he found it. If by "wrong", you mean "illegal", then I would agree with you. But if you mean "ethical", you're starting to get into a gray area and a slippery slope. For instance, if Carl found his way by his own devices (e.g. witness interviews, geometric triangulation, etc.) to within a mile or two of the strewn field and discovered a parked car (or several parked cars) in an odd location with people walking around outside in 100+ degree temperatures, then that would be an independent discovery. No problem. But suppose he was only able to get within 10 miles of the right location, and happened to spot Jack, or Robert or Mike driving by while he was stopped for gas? 10 minutes later and gassed up, he takes the same road and keeps driving until he spots their parked vehicles. Still ethical? (100 square miles would have been a lot of ground to cover, with no confirmation that you were even close to the right location.) Suppose rather than merely driving the same road 10 minutes later he had actively followed them, remaining in visual range. Not illegal, but meteorite hunting skill is slowly being overtaken by espionage. Suppose Carl only knew that the fall was somewhere far enough southeast of Tucson that any hunter from the Tucson area would take I-10. He spots Mike entering the highway at an early hour and follows him the rest of the way (staying far enough behind so that his "tail" isn't spotted). Would you now feel as comfortable saying, "I feel Carl did nothing wrong, he found the strewnfield the only way he could"? If you're still fine with this, let's take it a bit further. Suppose you just don't have a head for math or geometry and don't know east from west. But you happen to find out where Mike lives. You have no idea when he's headed out and don't have the patience to wait for days at a freeway entrance ramp. Why leave anything to chance? Just stick a locator beacon on the underside of his vehicle and see where he goes from the comfort of your air- conditioned living room! (Of course, now you would have crossed the line from unethical to illegal.) My hyperbole is meant to illustrate that one man's "fair and square" may be another man's "cheating". In this particular case, Mike was put in a rather uncomfortable position because in poker parlance he unintentionally provided the "tell" that revealed the fall location to an outside party. How would you feel if you had been invited to assist in the recovery of a new fall under the condition that you not reveal that location to anyone else? Embarrassed? Angry? Could anyone blame you for feeling that way? After all, through no real fault of your own you have broken your promise to Jack. Jack is wise to the ways of the world, and certainly knew that involving anyone else (and in particular someone high-profile) was a calculated risk -- one that for a few weeks has certainly paid off in terms of getting accurate masses, find locations, and in situ photos. More finds than he would have made working alone. I would hope that anyone who finds their way to the fall site (preferably by non-cloak-and-dagger-means) would respect Jack's work as the P.I. on this fall and provide him with all find data. That means masses, coordinates, and in situ images. If you don't have a GPS unit or a digital camera, find someone who does before extracting a find; otherwise you are destroying scientific data. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics
Rob, It sounds like you're describing a claim jumping dry gulcher to me. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics
Rob and List, There is nothing "illegal" about the way Carl found it, Just cuz somebody makes the first find, no matter who it is does not own the strewnfield, not by any means, unless it is on his property. If not it is fair game, just cuz it is in AZ they feel the need to sccop it all up for them selves, thats not right, they can use any excuse they want, I see it as selfish, who is to say Carl will not get GPS coordinance and in situ photo? After the way Jack, Mike and the other acted, I would not give them any info on my finds, they are not doing the same for anyone else. This fall just shows the true colors of some of the hunters. Like you said, when Jack invited Farmer he knew there was a chance that somebody may find the strewnfield cuz he is so high profile. He took that chance and it happened. Carl did not putr a beakon on Mikes Car. There are no written Meteorite Hunter Rules or Ethics, Like mike said it is a blood sport. just MHO Best Wishes, Joe K - Original Message From: Rob Matson To: Joe Kerchner ; meteorite list Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:07:42 PM Subject: Meteorite hunting ethics Hi Joe/List, > I feel Carl did nothing wrong, He found the strewnfield the > only way he could, and he found it. If by "wrong", you mean "illegal", then I would agree with you. But if you mean "ethical", you're starting to get into a gray area and a slippery slope. For instance, if Carl found his way by his own devices (e.g. witness interviews, geometric triangulation, etc.) to within a mile or two of the strewn field and discovered a parked car (or several parked cars) in an odd location with people walking around outside in 100+ degree temperatures, then that would be an independent discovery. No problem. But suppose he was only able to get within 10 miles of the right location, and happened to spot Jack, or Robert or Mike driving by while he was stopped for gas? 10 minutes later and gassed up, he takes the same road and keeps driving until he spots their parked vehicles. Still ethical? (100 square miles would have been a lot of ground to cover, with no confirmation that you were even close to the right location.) Suppose rather than merely driving the same road 10 minutes later he had actively followed them, remaining in visual range. Not illegal, but meteorite hunting skill is slowly being overtaken by espionage. Suppose Carl only knew that the fall was somewhere far enough southeast of Tucson that any hunter from the Tucson area would take I-10. He spots Mike entering the highway at an early hour and follows him the rest of the way (staying far enough behind so that his "tail" isn't spotted). Would you now feel as comfortable saying, "I feel Carl did nothing wrong, he found the strewnfield the only way he could"? If you're still fine with this, let's take it a bit further. Suppose you just don't have a head for math or geometry and don't know east from west. But you happen to find out where Mike lives. You have no idea when he's headed out and don't have the patience to wait for days at a freeway entrance ramp. Why leave anything to chance? Just stick a locator beacon on the underside of his vehicle and see where he goes from the comfort of your air- conditioned living room! (Of course, now you would have crossed the line from unethical to illegal.) My hyperbole is meant to illustrate that one man's "fair and square" may be another man's "cheating". In this particular case, Mike was put in a rather uncomfortable position because in poker parlance he unintentionally provided the "tell" that revealed the fall location to an outside party. How would you feel if you had been invited to assist in the recovery of a new fall under the condition that you not reveal that location to anyone else? Embarrassed? Angry? Could anyone blame you for feeling that way? After all, through no real fault of your own you have broken your promise to Jack. Jack is wise to the ways of the world, and certainly knew that involving anyone else (and in particular someone high-profile) was a calculated risk -- one that for a few weeks has certainly paid off in terms of getting accurate masses, find locations, and in situ photos. More finds than he would have made working alone. I would hope that anyone who finds their way to the fall site (preferably by non-cloak-and-dagger-means) would respect Jack's work as the P.I. on this fall and provide him with all find data. That means masses, coordinates, and in situ images. If you don't have a GPS unit or a digital camera, find someone who does before extracting a find; otherwise you are destroying scientific data. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Nice work, Mike, Where does one get a copy of " Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites?" Anyone out there want to sell me one or trade me one (I assume it Is out of print) RSVP Thanks, Michael On 7/18/09 12:38 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" wrote: > According to the Met Bulletin - > > Northern Ireland has 2 approved mets - > > Bovedy (L3 fall 1969) > Crumlin (L5 fall 1902) > > Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites reveals an additional 5 meteorites for > Ireland, in addition to the 2 for Northern Ireland - that makes a > total of 7. > > Limerick (H5 fall, 1813) > Dundrum (H5 fall, 1865) > Mooresfort (H5 fall, 1810) > Killeter (H6 fall, 1844) > Pettiswood (unclassified fall, 1779) > > Some observations - The Irish have sharp eyes. Every approved > meteorite from that nation is a witnessed fall. So, the original > poster that inquired about his suspect specimen could be right in his > assertion - there are no FINDS from Ireland, only falls. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > > On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: >> I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite >> But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3)Londonderry, N. Ireland >> THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: >> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html >> The first Ireland meteorite? >> Michael >> >> >> On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp >>> fire. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: m...@mhmeteorites.com CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: > Hi Jim > Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does > not > appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do > a > nickel test. > Matt > --Original Message-- > From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk > Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? > pictures > Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM > > Hello list members > I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this > object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be > a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch > for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have > asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . > Of course I should have asked him whether it was > attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because > this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may > be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. > Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. > I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was > meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the > meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please > take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. > Jim Brady > > http://tr.im/sUQk > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> ___
[meteorite-list] jalu in situ
Hi list.I just got my 1.2 kilo individual of JALU,Libya.It is a beautiful stone. This was found in 2000 by Alain Carion. But the really neat thing is,a picture of it in situ before it was dug out of the ground. How great is that?? I will have pics upon request to see it.You don't see much jalu around anymore. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Hi Mike, It's still in print, but it's fantastically-expensive and is rarely available used at discount. I paid over $220 for my copy. You can order from Amazon and some major book sellers. I got mine on eBay from a seller in the UK, with shipping I think the total was about $230. Beware buying used, because there is a CD-ROM in the back of the book (to install the whole shebang on your PC) and it's sometimes missing from the used copies. http://www.amazon.com/Catalogue-Meteorites-Monica-M-Grady/dp/0521663032/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247951296&sr=8-1 I consider it a must-have, along with Cosmic Debris, Rocks from Space, Meteorite Craters, MAPS, Meteorite Magazine, and Norton's Field Guide. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: > Nice work, Mike, > Where does one get a copy of " Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites?" > Anyone out there want to sell me one or trade me one (I assume it > Is out of print) > RSVP > Thanks, Michael > > > On 7/18/09 12:38 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > wrote: > >> According to the Met Bulletin - >> >> Northern Ireland has 2 approved mets - >> >> Bovedy (L3 fall 1969) >> Crumlin (L5 fall 1902) >> >> Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites reveals an additional 5 meteorites for >> Ireland, in addition to the 2 for Northern Ireland - that makes a >> total of 7. >> >> Limerick (H5 fall, 1813) >> Dundrum (H5 fall, 1865) >> Mooresfort (H5 fall, 1810) >> Killeter (H6 fall, 1844) >> Pettiswood (unclassified fall, 1779) >> >> Some observations - The Irish have sharp eyes. Every approved >> meteorite from that nation is a witnessed fall. So, the original >> poster that inquired about his suspect specimen could be right in his >> assertion - there are no FINDS from Ireland, only falls. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> >> On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: >>> I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite >>> But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3)Londonderry, N. Ireland >>> THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: >>> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html >>> The first Ireland meteorite? >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: >>> Hi, all, I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp fire. Cheers, Pete > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: m...@mhmeteorites.com > CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? > pictures > > The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So > chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. > It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good > story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > > On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: >> Hi Jim >> Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does >> not >> appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and >> do >> a >> nickel test. >> Matt >> --Original Message-- >> From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? >> pictures >> Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM >> >> Hello list members >> I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this >> object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be >> a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an >> inch >> for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have >> asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . >> Of course I should have asked him whether it was >> attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse >> now.Because >> this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may >> be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern >> emerges. >> Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. >> I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was >> meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the >> meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please >> take a look and offer your opinions I'd appreciate it. >> Jim Brady >> >> http://tr.im/sUQk >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> Matt Morgan >> Mile H
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find?
...There once was a meteorite from Munster, it was found by a drunken funster... LOL! :-) Hi Phil and All, Here are a few picts of historic meteorites from England, Ireland, Northern Ireland and Scotland: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id10.html Cheers, Peter __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:07:42 -0700, you wrote: >If you're still fine with this, let's take it a bit further. >Suppose you just don't have a head for math or geometry and don't >know east from west. But you happen to find out where Mike lives. >You have no idea when he's headed out and don't have the patience >to wait for days at a freeway entrance ramp. Why leave anything >to chance? Just stick a locator beacon on the underside of his >vehicle and see where he goes from the comfort of your air- >conditioned living room! (Of course, now you would have crossed >the line from unethical to illegal.) > True story: I once shot Mike Farmer with a tranquilizer dart and fitted him with a radio collar. Unfortunately the battery died before the next fall. But it was worth it to see him rubbing against trees in the vain attempt to dislodge the collar! Poor confused creature... __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find?
Hello Peter, that's a wonderful collection and a fine documentary work as well. Congratulations. For me it's always amazing how much the shape of a meteorite differs depending from perspective - somehow a cubistic quality. The Wold Cottage mass on James Sowerby's painting, and on the British Museum postcard - hard to believe it's the same meteorite. Regards, Matthias - Original Message - From: "Peter Marmet" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? ...There once was a meteorite from Munster, it was found by a drunken funster... LOL! :-) Hi Phil and All, Here are a few picts of historic meteorites from England, Ireland, Northern Ireland and Scotland: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id10.html Cheers, Peter __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
OK, I get it, it is the Catalog of Meteorites - I have one, of course. Thanks, Michael On 7/18/09 2:10 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" wrote: > Hi Mike, > > It's still in print, but it's fantastically-expensive and is rarely > available used at discount. I paid over $220 for my copy. > > You can order from Amazon and some major book sellers. I got mine on > eBay from a seller in the UK, with shipping I think the total was > about $230. Beware buying used, because there is a CD-ROM in the back > of the book (to install the whole shebang on your PC) and it's > sometimes missing from the used copies. > > http://www.amazon.com/Catalogue-Meteorites-Monica-M-Grady/dp/0521663032/ref=sr > _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247951296&sr=8-1 > > I consider it a must-have, along with Cosmic Debris, Rocks from Space, > Meteorite Craters, MAPS, Meteorite Magazine, and Norton's Field Guide. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > > > On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: >> Nice work, Mike, >> Where does one get a copy of " Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites?" >> Anyone out there want to sell me one or trade me one (I assume it >> Is out of print) >> RSVP >> Thanks, Michael >> >> >> On 7/18/09 12:38 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" >> wrote: >> >>> According to the Met Bulletin - >>> >>> Northern Ireland has 2 approved mets - >>> >>> Bovedy (L3 fall 1969) >>> Crumlin (L5 fall 1902) >>> >>> Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites reveals an additional 5 meteorites for >>> Ireland, in addition to the 2 for Northern Ireland - that makes a >>> total of 7. >>> >>> Limerick (H5 fall, 1813) >>> Dundrum (H5 fall, 1865) >>> Mooresfort (H5 fall, 1810) >>> Killeter (H6 fall, 1844) >>> Pettiswood (unclassified fall, 1779) >>> >>> Some observations - The Irish have sharp eyes. Every approved >>> meteorite from that nation is a witnessed fall. So, the original >>> poster that inquired about his suspect specimen could be right in his >>> assertion - there are no FINDS from Ireland, only falls. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> MikeG >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3)Londonderry, N. Ireland THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html The first Ireland meteorite? Michael On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: > > Hi, all, > > I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp > fire. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > > >> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 >> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com >> To: m...@mhmeteorites.com >> CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? >> pictures >> >> The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So >> chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. >> It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good >> story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> >> On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: >>> Hi Jim >>> Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does >>> not >>> appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and >>> do >>> a >>> nickel test. >>> Matt >>> --Original Message-- >>> From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >>> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? >>> pictures >>> Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM >>> >>> Hello list members >>> I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this >>> object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be >>> a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an >>> inch >>> for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have >>> asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . >>> Of course I should have asked him whether it was >>> attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse >>> now.Because >>> this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may >>> be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern >>> emerges. >>> Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. >>> I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was >>> meteoritic in nature but that I would pose the question to the >>> meteorite list and see what the experts think.So if you could please >>> take a look and offer your opinio
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Hi Michael, Grady edited the later versions of the Catalogue - the earlier versions were edited by someone else, I don't recall exactly who. Was it Sears? The Catalogue is new to me - I had heard of it and read about it and longed for it, but only recently bought my own copy. It's been an invaluable reference for the nerd in me - my wife looked at it briefly and declared it was the driest reading she had ever seen. LOL To me, it's a page-turner. I'm slowly working my way through it, reading every entry. :) The software is a great bonus as well. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: > OK, > I get it, it is the Catalog of Meteorites - I have one, of course. > Thanks, Michael > > > On 7/18/09 2:10 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> It's still in print, but it's fantastically-expensive and is rarely >> available used at discount. I paid over $220 for my copy. >> >> You can order from Amazon and some major book sellers. I got mine on >> eBay from a seller in the UK, with shipping I think the total was >> about $230. Beware buying used, because there is a CD-ROM in the back >> of the book (to install the whole shebang on your PC) and it's >> sometimes missing from the used copies. >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Catalogue-Meteorites-Monica-M-Grady/dp/0521663032/ref=sr >> _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247951296&sr=8-1 >> >> I consider it a must-have, along with Cosmic Debris, Rocks from Space, >> Meteorite Craters, MAPS, Meteorite Magazine, and Norton's Field Guide. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> >> >> On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: >>> Nice work, Mike, >>> Where does one get a copy of " Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites?" >>> Anyone out there want to sell me one or trade me one (I assume it >>> Is out of print) >>> RSVP >>> Thanks, Michael >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/09 12:38 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" >>> >>> wrote: >>> According to the Met Bulletin - Northern Ireland has 2 approved mets - Bovedy (L3 fall 1969) Crumlin (L5 fall 1902) Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites reveals an additional 5 meteorites for Ireland, in addition to the 2 for Northern Ireland - that makes a total of 7. Limerick (H5 fall, 1813) Dundrum (H5 fall, 1865) Mooresfort (H5 fall, 1810) Killeter (H6 fall, 1844) Pettiswood (unclassified fall, 1779) Some observations - The Irish have sharp eyes. Every approved meteorite from that nation is a witnessed fall. So, the original poster that inquired about his suspect specimen could be right in his assertion - there are no FINDS from Ireland, only falls. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: > I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite > But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3)Londonderry, N. > Ireland > THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: > http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html > The first Ireland meteorite? > Michael > > > On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: > >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a >> camp >> fire. >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 >>> From: meteoritem...@gmail.com >>> To: m...@mhmeteorites.com >>> CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? >>> pictures >>> >>> The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So >>> chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. >>> It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good >>> story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> MikeG >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Jim Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does not appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do a nickel test. Matt --Original Message-- From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM Hello list members I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inc
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
After two complete readings you will enter a new phase or level of meteorites... it is automatic. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi Michael, Grady edited the later versions of the Catalogue - the earlier versions were edited by someone else, I don't recall exactly who. Was it Sears? The Catalogue is new to me - I had heard of it and read about it and longed for it, but only recently bought my own copy. It's been an invaluable reference for the nerd in me - my wife looked at it briefly and declared it was the driest reading she had ever seen. LOL To me, it's a page-turner. I'm slowly working my way through it, reading every entry. :) The software is a great bonus as well. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: OK, I get it, it is the Catalog of Meteorites - I have one, of course. Thanks, Michael On 7/18/09 2:10 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > wrote: Hi Mike, It's still in print, but it's fantastically-expensive and is rarely available used at discount. I paid over $220 for my copy. You can order from Amazon and some major book sellers. I got mine on eBay from a seller in the UK, with shipping I think the total was about $230. Beware buying used, because there is a CD-ROM in the back of the book (to install the whole shebang on your PC) and it's sometimes missing from the used copies. http://www.amazon.com/Catalogue-Meteorites-Monica-M-Grady/dp/0521663032/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247951296&sr=8-1 I consider it a must-have, along with Cosmic Debris, Rocks from Space, Meteorite Craters, MAPS, Meteorite Magazine, and Norton's Field Guide. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: Nice work, Mike, Where does one get a copy of " Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites?" Anyone out there want to sell me one or trade me one (I assume it Is out of print) RSVP Thanks, Michael On 7/18/09 12:38 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" wrote: According to the Met Bulletin - Northern Ireland has 2 approved mets - Bovedy (L3 fall 1969) Crumlin (L5 fall 1902) Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites reveals an additional 5 meteorites for Ireland, in addition to the 2 for Northern Ireland - that makes a total of 7. Limerick (H5 fall, 1813) Dundrum (H5 fall, 1865) Mooresfort (H5 fall, 1810) Killeter (H6 fall, 1844) Pettiswood (unclassified fall, 1779) Some observations - The Irish have sharp eyes. Every approved meteorite from that nation is a witnessed fall. So, the original poster that inquired about his suspect specimen could be right in his assertion - there are no FINDS from Ireland, only falls. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3)Londonderry, N. Ireland THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html The first Ireland meteorite? Michael On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: Hi, all, I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp fire. Cheers, Pete Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: m...@mhmeteorites.com CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures The photo caption says it's not magnetic and is very light. So chances are (combined with the appearance), it's not a meteorite. It's an interesting little piece of metal that probably has a good story behind it, but I think it's terrestrial. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Jim Interesting object. It reminds me of a piece of bomb shrapnel. It does not appear to be a meteorite, but maybe you could remove a tiny piece and do a nickel test. Matt --Original Message-- From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ReplyTo: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures Sent: Jul 18, 2009 4:05 AM Hello list members I've been contacted by a fellow in Dublin who found this object years ago and has always been curious about whether it might be a meteorite.He states that it is about 2cms long(roughly 7/8 of an inch for our non-metric list members) and is light like aluminium.I have asked him whether it was magnetic and he said 'no' . Of course I should have asked him whether it was attracted to a magnet, so I did and waiting for his reponse now.Because this object is so small I've advised him that the best way to test may be to file down a flat area and apply nitol to see if a pattern emerges. Of course even this isn't 100% if it happened to be an ataxite. I told him I thought it was unlikely that the object was m
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Hi Michael, This is going to sound extra-nerdy, but is the new level of meteorites like going up levels in a role playing game or Dungeons and Dragons? For each time you read through the Magick Meteorite Tome, you gain one level in meteoritics skill. LOL I wish all of the entries had more extensive background information or anecdotes, but the ones that do are well worth the read. It's fascinating to read some of the entries about obscure falls and finds I have never heard of or seen for sale on the open market. I don't know how I ever lived without this book. I refer to it frequently and it's a good reference to look up some older meteorites mentioned in MAPS abstracts. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, michael cottingham wrote: > After two complete readings you will enter a new phase or level of > meteorites... it is automatic. > > Best Wishes > > Michael Cottingham > On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > >> Hi Michael, >> >> Grady edited the later versions of the Catalogue - the earlier >> versions were edited by someone else, I don't recall exactly who. Was >> it Sears? >> >> The Catalogue is new to me - I had heard of it and read about it and >> longed for it, but only recently bought my own copy. It's been an >> invaluable reference for the nerd in me - my wife looked at it briefly >> and declared it was the driest reading she had ever seen. LOL >> >> To me, it's a page-turner. I'm slowly working my way through it, >> reading every entry. :) >> >> The software is a great bonus as well. >> >> Best regards and clear skies, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: >>> OK, >>>I get it, it is the Catalog of Meteorites - I have one, of >>> course. >>> Thanks, Michael >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/09 2:10 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" >> >>> > >>> wrote: >>> Hi Mike, It's still in print, but it's fantastically-expensive and is rarely available used at discount. I paid over $220 for my copy. You can order from Amazon and some major book sellers. I got mine on eBay from a seller in the UK, with shipping I think the total was about $230. Beware buying used, because there is a CD-ROM in the back of the book (to install the whole shebang on your PC) and it's sometimes missing from the used copies. http://www.amazon.com/Catalogue-Meteorites-Monica-M-Grady/dp/0521663032/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247951296&sr=8-1 I consider it a must-have, along with Cosmic Debris, Rocks from Space, Meteorite Craters, MAPS, Meteorite Magazine, and Norton's Field Guide. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: > Nice work, Mike, >Where does one get a copy of " Grady's Catalogue of > Meteorites?" >Anyone out there want to sell me one or trade me one (I > assume it > Is out of print) >RSVP >Thanks, Michael > > > On 7/18/09 12:38 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > > wrote: > >> According to the Met Bulletin - >> >> Northern Ireland has 2 approved mets - >> >> Bovedy (L3 fall 1969) >> Crumlin (L5 fall 1902) >> >> Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites reveals an additional 5 >> meteorites for >> Ireland, in addition to the 2 for Northern Ireland - that makes a >> total of 7. >> >> Limerick (H5 fall, 1813) >> Dundrum (H5 fall, 1865) >> Mooresfort (H5 fall, 1810) >> Killeter (H6 fall, 1844) >> Pettiswood (unclassified fall, 1779) >> >> Some observations - The Irish have sharp eyes. Every approved >> meteorite from that nation is a witnessed fall. So, the original >> poster that inquired about his suspect specimen could be right >> in his >> assertion - there are no FINDS from Ireland, only falls. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> >> On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: >>> I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite >>> But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3)Londonderry, N. >>> Ireland >>> THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: >>> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html >>> The first Ireland meteorite? >>>Michael >>> >>> >>> On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: >>> Hi, all, I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp fire. Cheers, Pete > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: m...@mhmeteorites.com > CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first > meteorite find? > pictures >>
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Catalogues
Mike G. wrote: "the earlier versions were edited by someone else..." GRAHAM A.L., BEVAN A.W.R. and HUTCHISON R. (1985) Catalogue of Meteorites, 4th Ed. Univ. Arizona Press, Tucson, Arizona. 460 pp.). HEY M.H. (1966) Catalogue of Meteorites, 3rd edition, London, 1966, pp. 637. Cheers, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures
Hello, It is something like that- Dungeons & Dragons game, however, with the Catalog there are leads within the tome and after you see the leads, you can really find the treasure. I am also being very serious. There are leads within the catalog that can help people recover a lot of meteorites. Before all the other books that people have today, the catalog was really all we had to work with. It was the source of great wisdom and has taken me on many great adventures. Although, I can't say because I still might follow up on them, there are at least 15 strewn fields or possible strewn fields that have not been tapped or recently visited. Best Wishes Michael On Jul 18, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi Michael, This is going to sound extra-nerdy, but is the new level of meteorites like going up levels in a role playing game or Dungeons and Dragons? For each time you read through the Magick Meteorite Tome, you gain one level in meteoritics skill. LOL I wish all of the entries had more extensive background information or anecdotes, but the ones that do are well worth the read. It's fascinating to read some of the entries about obscure falls and finds I have never heard of or seen for sale on the open market. I don't know how I ever lived without this book. I refer to it frequently and it's a good reference to look up some older meteorites mentioned in MAPS abstracts. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, michael cottingham wrote: After two complete readings you will enter a new phase or level of meteorites... it is automatic. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi Michael, Grady edited the later versions of the Catalogue - the earlier versions were edited by someone else, I don't recall exactly who. Was it Sears? The Catalogue is new to me - I had heard of it and read about it and longed for it, but only recently bought my own copy. It's been an invaluable reference for the nerd in me - my wife looked at it briefly and declared it was the driest reading she had ever seen. LOL To me, it's a page-turner. I'm slowly working my way through it, reading every entry. :) The software is a great bonus as well. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: OK, I get it, it is the Catalog of Meteorites - I have one, of course. Thanks, Michael On 7/18/09 2:10 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" wrote: Hi Mike, It's still in print, but it's fantastically-expensive and is rarely available used at discount. I paid over $220 for my copy. You can order from Amazon and some major book sellers. I got mine on eBay from a seller in the UK, with shipping I think the total was about $230. Beware buying used, because there is a CD-ROM in the back of the book (to install the whole shebang on your PC) and it's sometimes missing from the used copies. http://www.amazon.com/Catalogue-Meteorites-Monica-M-Grady/dp/0521663032/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247951296&sr=8-1 I consider it a must-have, along with Cosmic Debris, Rocks from Space, Meteorite Craters, MAPS, Meteorite Magazine, and Norton's Field Guide. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: Nice work, Mike, Where does one get a copy of " Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites?" Anyone out there want to sell me one or trade me one (I assume it Is out of print) RSVP Thanks, Michael On 7/18/09 12:38 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" wrote: According to the Met Bulletin - Northern Ireland has 2 approved mets - Bovedy (L3 fall 1969) Crumlin (L5 fall 1902) Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites reveals an additional 5 meteorites for Ireland, in addition to the 2 for Northern Ireland - that makes a total of 7. Limerick (H5 fall, 1813) Dundrum (H5 fall, 1865) Mooresfort (H5 fall, 1810) Killeter (H6 fall, 1844) Pettiswood (unclassified fall, 1779) Some observations - The Irish have sharp eyes. Every approved meteorite from that nation is a witnessed fall. So, the original poster that inquired about his suspect specimen could be right in his assertion - there are no FINDS from Ireland, only falls. Best regards, MikeG On 7/18/09, Michael Blood wrote: I,m not sure who said this could be Ireland's first meteorite But isn't Bovedy ( April 25, 1969 Bovedy (L3) Londonderry, N. Ireland THROUGH STORE ROOF - from: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html The first Ireland meteorite? Michael On 7/18/09 9:05 AM, "Pete Pete" wrote: Hi, all, I've definintely seen similar objects - melted aluminum cans from a camp fire. Cheers, Pete Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:38:45 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: m...@mhmeteorites.com CC: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk; meteorite- l...@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is this Irelands first meteorite find? pictures The photo caption says it's not
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Catalogues
Is there anything you do not know... Best Wishes Michael On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:56 PM, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Mike G. wrote: "the earlier versions were edited by someone else..." GRAHAM A.L., BEVAN A.W.R. and HUTCHISON R. (1985) Catalogue of Meteorites, 4th Ed. Univ. Arizona Press, Tucson, Arizona. 460 pp.). HEY M.H. (1966) Catalogue of Meteorites, 3rd edition, London, 1966, pp. 637. Cheers, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics
Claim jumping implies trespassing onto clearly marked piece of land wihin which the claim holders have the legal right to the minerals and/or rock materials. In this case there is no legal process to claim meteorites. The landowners have ownership of these meteorites. Only the people who have collected stones from this fall know the legal status of the land. Jack and his crew apparently have the permission of the landowner to hunt them. I think there are two things of importance here: Respecting private property and recording data when you remove any material. If you’re trespassing on private property while looking for meteorites, that is a serious breach of ethics in my opinion. If you’re trespassing on public property (like land incorporated by Benson, State Land, BLM, etc,) that’s a gray area. It appears that there are as many opinions regarding collecting on public lands as there are people in this forum. Even the legal agencies have different understandings internally. We don’t know who owns the land. It could be State land and Jack’s team was given exclusive permission to hunt the fall while working with the U of A. It could be private property. If people knew that I had excusive knowledge of a new strewnfield, I wouldn’t want anybody tailing me, especially from my house. I suppose it’s legal to follow me to a site to which I have no legal claim. But I would feel a bit threatened and violated if I found out I had been under a stakeout from my house. I don’t think Carl had that intent, or he would have asked for Mike’s address. So no I wouldn’t want to be tailed under any case. On the other hand, I would have no right to stop others from looking for the fall (using all means available, which include, recognizing my vehicle or collecting information on any vehicle spotted in the area for confirmation purposes). It was stated in a recent email that at West it was common for people to be able to recognize the vehicles of other hunters. I wasn’t reading about the West fall, but did anybody complain then? We don’t know what Carl was planning – he says he was trying to confirm who owned the vehicles he saw in the area. The Border Patrol freely shared with me where they have seen others looking for the fall. I didn’t think to ask that question; they happened to mentioned it. I did see one car leaving an area and I tried to look away as I drove by, but I couldn’t fight the urge to look at the occupants… I think the best way to protect a fall is to not share any information until you’re comfortable that you’ve collected enough data to satisfy the needs of science. Releasing photos only fueled the search (especially one on the outskirts of meteorite city). Had no information been released, interest would have only died off, but for a few dedicated hunters. Those who are watching the action from their keyboard would still have enjoyed seeing the photos and reading the accounts months later. I have no problem with Jack and the others keeping quiet about the location. Nor do I have a problem with anyone else hunting for the fall site. I say good luck to all the searchers, but if you do find the site, make sure you know the status of the land and have permission before you remove any material (and always collect data – and eventually share the info with Jack’s team for the sake of science). Mark Vail, AZ --- On Sat, 7/18/09, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > From: JoshuaTreeMuseum > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 1:24 PM > Rob, > > It sounds like you're describing a claim jumping dry > gulcher to me. > Phil Whitmer > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : Rare Micros for Sale - Sylacauga, Lafayette, Moss, Shalka, Weston, Murchison, and many more!
Hi Folks, I have added many new micromounts to my store. Some of these micromounts are exceptionally-rare. In addition to the rare micros listed in this post title, I have the following hot desert finds available : NWA 801 (CR2) NWA 869 (numerous small slices and endcuts) NWA 1459 (OD) NWA 2126 (eucrite) NWA 2634 (ureilite) NWA 2968 (ungrouped achondrite) NWA 2737 (chassignite) I also just received a rare Russian-language text about the Tunguska event - http://galacticstone.mybisi.com/product/152033/Tunguska-Meteorite-Event--Russian-Research-Booklet--RARE_882642.html When using my online store, be sure to use this coupon code at checkout - "metlist" - this will give you 25%-OFF your entire order. :) Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG http://www.galactic-stone.com -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting ethics
LOL! You're lucky he didn't charge at you. Those wounded animals can get mean. You really must be more careful! Carl Darren wrote: >True story: I once shot Mike Farmer with a tranquilizer dart and fitted him >with a radio collar. Unfortunately the battery died before the next fall. But >it was worth it to see him rubbing against trees in the vain attempt to >dislodge the collar! Poor confused creature... _ _ Bing™ brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurants&form=MLOGEN&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TXT_MLOGEN_Local_Local_Restaurants_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Proper field data
Hey all, What info do you recommend collecting when a find is made in the field? GPS coordinates (and datum used), in situ photos with a scale and weight are a given. But what else? I've also heard that one should not to apply a magnet to a new meteorite because a manget can affect the magnetic susceptibility (doesn't a metal detector affect it too?). What about an historic location versus a new fall? Everyone mentions collecting data, but are we all on the same page? Clear skies, Mark Vail, AZ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Proper field data
Now that is a question I need to get answered. I never thought about it before. Pete - Original Message - From: "Mark Bowling" To: Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Proper field data Hey all, What info do you recommend collecting when a find is made in the field? GPS coordinates (and datum used), in situ photos with a scale and weight are a given. But what else? I've also heard that one should not to apply a magnet to a new meteorite because a manget can affect the magnetic susceptibility (doesn't a metal detector affect it too?). What about an historic location versus a new fall? Everyone mentions collecting data, but are we all on the same page? Clear skies, Mark Vail, AZ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gleanings from the latest MAPS abstracts - July 2009
Hi Folks! While reading through the latest MAPS supplement (abstracts for the upcoming Meteoritical Society meeting), I ran across some interesting tidbits I'd like to share and get some comments on. First, congratulations are in order for Lawrence Grossman for being awarded the Leonard Medal for 2009. The Leonard Medal is awarded for outstanding contributions to the science of meteoritics. I think we can all agree that Lawrence has indeed contributed much to the field and this medal is certainly well-deserved. Next, our friend Peter Davidson (Curator of Minerals, Scotland Natl. Museum) will find this abstract of interest - "Weathering of the Glenrothes Meteorite (H5), The First Scottish Find". This study examines the differences and similarities between two diverse weathering environments - the Saharan Desert and Scotland. What is surprising, is that there are considerable similarities found. Fans of LDG will find this abstract interesting - "On Some Micro-Textural Features of Libyan Desert Glass With Dark Schieren". BSE images taken of select areas of LDG specimens shows microscopic flow structures and zircon grains. Here is one with an interesting title that I wasn't expecting to see - "Mythological Artifacts Made of Celestial Bodies - A Buddhist Deity of Meteoritic Iron" - this focuses on the "iron man" sculpture carved from iron meteorite and in the possession of an Austrian collector. I'd love to see some photos of this piece. Does anyone have one? Of interest to hunters - "Near-Earth Asteroid/Meteoroid Impacts : Prospects for Linking Telescopic Observations with Recovered Meteorites" - in an attempt to replicate the plotting/recovery success of 2008 TC3, the Spaceguard Survey is being examined for ways to streamline and improve the system for the recovery of meteorites. The current Survey has a ~10% chance of observing an incoming impactor and plotting it's impact location, once per year. This could be improved. Antarctic find RBT 04133 was originally classified as a CR2, but now this new abstract demonstrates it is a CV3 that has experienced mild thermal alteration - and that it shares some CO-like characteristics. "RBT 04133 : A New Unusual Carbonaceous Chondrite" Martin will be delighted to hear that the Germans and Austrians have discovered a new area of meteorite concentration in Antarctica. Or, should one say they re-discovered an area where the Russians found Lazarev. The Germans undertook an expedition to the Queen Maud Land region of Antarctica and recovered 16 meteorites (mostly L, LL, or H chondrites) - one of the meteorites was a 31kg iron! (I'd like to see a photo of that one) - further exploration of this area may yield more results. "Discovery of a New Meteorite Concentration Site in Queen Maud Land, Antarctica" This one should prove interesting - "Are CI Chondrites Cometary Samples? Olivine as a Diagnostic Tool" - in this study, it is demonstrated that CI carbonaceous chondrites exhibit close affinities with particles gathered from Comet Wild 2. In fact, olivine compositions in the CI meteorites more closely match Wild 2 than other carbonaceous types. Does this mean that the CI class will be revealed as cometary in origin? There are many more interesting abstracts that I just don't have time to share right now, including - an argument that the Atacama desert is the densest meteorite area in the hot deserts, the first LL-L chondrite (NWA 5764), and something about a rare meteorite (one of only 2) that has a high level of water in it. (Can someone please point me to that particular abstract, I can't seem to find it now). Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Weird Brecciated or Dual-Lithology Meteorites - Photos
Hi List, I cut open 2 more oddball UNWA stones today. One had relatively fresh black crust and weighed 10 grams before I cut it. I was pleasantly surprised to see 2 distinct zones within the matrix. One is lighter, one is darker. The metal flecks seem uniformly distributed across both zones, but the division between the 2 lithologies is very linear and easy to see. My question is, since this stone is so small, does it represent a dual lithology type, or is it a piece of a larger meteoroid that was brecciated? Two-color Matrix - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/breccia-dual/2-zones-1.jpg Close-up of one half of the stone - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/breccia-dual/2-zones-2.jpg The crusted exterior of the 2-color stone - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/breccia-dual/2-zones-whole.jpg ... This next stone is very unusual to me and I am keenly interested in hearing some feedback from the List about it. What is it? The exterior shows typical desert varnish. It could even be a convincing-looking meteorwrong. But, it's attracted to a magnet and when I cut it open, I saw numerous metal blebs and this wonderful brecciated matrix. Can you see "Pac Man" in the matrix? Brecciated Matrix - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/breccia-dual/breccia-1.jpg Another shot of the breccia - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/breccia-dual/breccia-2.jpg A polished slice of the breccia, tilted at angle to show the metal - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/breccia-dual/breccia-iron.jpg Outside of the brecciated stone - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/breccia-dual/breccia-outside.jpg Any opinions on what these stones might be, especially the second one? Best regards, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - July 18, 2009
Nice picture. Glad I had an opportunity to see it. Love the crystals. Thanks for posting it. Mike in CO On Jul 18, 2009, at 5:53 AM, spacerocks...@aol.com wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/July_18_2009.html __ **Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird Brecciated or Dual-Lithology Meteorites - Photos
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:18:37 -0400, you wrote: >2 lithologies is very linear and easy to see. My question is, since >this stone is so small, does it represent a dual lithology type, or is >it a piece of a larger meteoroid that was brecciated? > >Two-color Matrix - >http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/breccia-dual/2-zones-1.jpg Looks pretty much like 869 to me. Similar cut pieces in my collection: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LPL Apollo 11 Anniversary Event and Meteorite People
Hello List Ruben ask me to post this for him. For anyone interested in a few images of todays event. BTW Some of the pictures are large but most are small files. http://www.mr-meteorite.net/lplapolloanniversary.htm Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona My Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net My Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ My Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfright&p=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
