[meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!
Hi Everyone, With all due respect to all. This list has ONE forum. Almost ALL forums online have many forum categories, and most have an off-topic category forum for people to communicate their opinions and discuss off-topic posts. It keeps the community whole and gives members who wish to discuss off-topic issues, a choice. In other words you still do have a choice. Read the post or hit your delete key. The "Alien Life" thread is in fact either indirectly or possibly directly related to meteorites, and therefore VERY worthy of this list. Anyone who'd like to argue that notion should reconsider their own understanding of what the study of meteorites truly means and their own list membership. By complaining about seemingly off-topic posts in regards to aliens people are in effect saying they don't want to learn about their universe. Sorry if that seems harsh, but I've seen a lot worse things on this list than the serious philosophical and scientifically educated discussions of the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. I for one would much rather discuss seriously the alien life subject in relationship to the studies being performed on meteorites, and the evidence being found within them that support the notion of life elsewhere, rather than be a part of a forum who speaks unintelligently about alien abduction, or close encounters and UFO sightings. Besides, the whole reason behind the study of meteorites in the first place is to learn MORE about our universe, and this CERTAINLY includes the search for extraterrestrial life and in fact could center on it. Those who would argue that scientific and logical discussion about the possibilities of life elsewhere in our universe based on the connection between that life and meteorites is somehow "Not Worthy" and "Off-Topic" is somehow not entirely fair or correct. It doesn't have to be a discussion about little green men, it has to do with the study of meteorites and the real possibility of extraterrestrial life, and the direct connections with meteorites if any that exist. To deny that is simply akin to an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] comedy
Oh great meteorite, I offer up to this great piece of fusion crust as a sacrifice of thanks for sending my copy of Meteorite Magazine. I will offer up an even better piece if you send my Authors copy to me so I can give it to the school principal. Pete IMCA 1733 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] COME ON! Alien Life Topic
Michael, List, I completely agree that the occasional movie reference is non-meteoritic (unless the movie is about meteors, asteroids and such), but the connection between meteorites and life that may exist off this planet is as intertwined as any two topics could be. The hypothesis that meteorites could bring life (or alien life) to Earth is almost as old as the recognition that meteorites actually do fall from the sky. In 1864, Louis Pasteur performed careful experimentation to extract, without contamination, a sample from the depths of the Orgueil meteorite to culture for micro-organisms. He did so because he was searching for an alternate origin for life on Earth in distinction to spontaneous generation, which he had already disproved in his laboratory. The result of his search for microbes in Orgeil was negative, BTW. Every few decades there is a meteorite-life issue that becomes a matter of hot dispute in science and the broader world. The latest was the Martian meteorite with traces of microbial life, or was there? There were many hundreds of posts on this List to one side or the other as that dispute raged on. It's an on-going debate. (There was another claim of fossils in Orgueil in 2004!) The entire question of the existence of any life off this planet is germane to meteorites even if specific meteoritic evidence is not in question. The two subjects are intimately related. IF there is any other life, meteorites would potentially present the easiest evidence to access and the only samples of "otherworldly" matter that we have. If there is no life (as has been alleged in these posts), much research on meteorites is being wasted. We all have to recognize that everyone of us brings a different perspective to the subject of meteorites. For example, the question of whether or not a particular meteorite was or was not a "hammer" is of only the mildest scientific interest, being a purely anecdotal matter, and is largely irrelevant. However, it is to be recognized that that subject is of great interest in the arcana of collectorship and highly important to some (but not to others). However, since all of us DO bring a different perspective to the subject, it would be, well, impolite, for those who are less interested to tell those that are most interested to stop posting about it. Likewise, the long sequences of Posts about the cost per gram of this or that stone -- it's like listening to the farmers down at the round table at the Chatterbox Cafe talk about the price of corn or hogs -- intensely interesting if you sell corn or hogs, but if not it's just fatback talk... This is not the Meteorite Collectors' List, nor the Meteorite Commerce List, nor the Meteorite Market List, nor the Meteorite Hunter's List, nor the Meteorite Trade and Freebies List, nor the Meteorite Impact List, not the Meteorite Crater List, nor the Meteorite History List, nor the Meteorite Stamp and Coin List, nor the Meteor Shower List, nor the Meteorite People List, nor the Meteorite Theoretical Science List, nor the Meteorite Petrology List, nor the Asteroid List, the Planetary List, the Interstellar Dust List, nor the Alien Life List, nor even The Meteorite Quibble List --- it's ALL OF THOSE THINGS. It's the Meteorite [Inclusive] List, and it's far better off for being what it is than if it were too narrowly defined, maddening as it may be at times. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "GREG LINDH" ; Cc: "Meteorite List" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] COME ON! Alien Life Topic PLEASE stop this Alian Live and Movies/TV Crapolla on the METEORITE LIST. MLB __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Bloods Meteorite Friends
probably why he have publicized a idiot site type the proud tom site. Matteo - Original Message - Da : geo...@aol.com A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Michael Bloods Meteorite Friends Data : Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:49:34 EDT > Hi allonce in a while I stroll thru the various > photos of Met List members on Michael bloods site. Its > been awhile and just noticed a lot of photo removals. > Just curious as to what the general reason was...Identity > theft? :O) > GeoZay > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 3, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
Hello Pete and List, Pete wrote: "Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off." More likely the Off Topic threads like Aliens and other junk, but then again, the crazies on the List don't help either! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Pete Shugar" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Removal from the list
Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last few weeks? I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures. I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Canyon Diablo, Henbury, Boxhole
Clearing out some of my smaller specimens. These are some of my first collected in 1997. Sorry weights are not available on all. http://www.rocksfromspace.org/sale.html More to be added soon! Thank you for your time! __ Michael Johnson http://www.spacerocksinc.com http://www.rocksfromspace.org http://www.sikhote-alin.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] COME ON! Alien Life Topic
Mike, This "Alien Live" thread has been going on for a long, long time. Did you protest this *off topic thread* before? Why are you responding to me and my post? I'm just a "Johnny come lately" in this discussion. I finally just got sick and tired of the non-meteorite irrational posts, so I figured I might as well take an opposite stand in the discussion. Non-meteorite topics constantly come up on "The List". I try to stay out of them, but when it just keeps going on and on, and the discussion is for the most part, one sided, I get a bit irritated. As I've written here on "The List" before, I'm more than willing to stick with discussing just meteorites. However, I won't be the *only one* who has to abide by that rule. If everyone would only write about meteorites, then you would NEVER see me go off topic. With respect, Greg Lindh > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 18:01:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] COME ON! Alien Life Topic > From: mlbl...@cox.net > To: gee...@msn.com; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > PLEASE stop this Alian Live and Movies/TV > Crapolla on the METEORITE LIST. > MLB > > > On 9/2/09 10:52 AM, "GREG LINDH" wrote: > >> >> >> Hi Phil, >> >> I pretty much agree with your post. I believe most of those who don't >> believe in God, bow to the own god known as evolution. They are >> determinedhighly motivated to believe in evolution no matter what. >> As for me, I look at the universe around me, from the macro to the micro, >> and all I see is an intricately *designed* universe. I say this knowing that >> my statement doesn't help me here on "The List", and that you probably don't >> agree with me either. It just makes me more of an outsider. >> The fact is, I'm a Christian (OO NOO, Greg, DON'T admit that!) It >> get's even worse. I retired from a ministry at San Quentin Prison, so my >> beliefs are strongnot stupid, just strong. >> So, you may not believe in a deity, you may just see the weak arguments for >> evolution. So do I. I just go a step beyond that. I see strong arguments >> for creation. >> In any event, even though we may not be in complete agreement, I do >> appreciate your point of view. >> I also very much appreciate your little reference to "The Day The Earth >> Stood Still". "Klaatu barada nikto", back at you. >> >> Greg Lindh >> >> >>> From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com >>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:24:05 -0400 >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic >>> >>> Hi Kirk, >>> >>> You do understand the difference between evidence and proof, do you not? No >>> one is denying the abundance of building blocks in comets and meteorites. >>> You can't swing a dead cat on a rope and not hit a building block. Amino >>> acids, glycine, phosphorus, carbon, water, you name it, it's everywhere, >>> but it's not alive. Mere organic compounds by themselves are not even close >>> to being live. And it's a huge gigantic step requiring more faith than I >>> can muster to believe that life is an inevitable consequence of the mere >>> presence of building blocks. If it were, there would be life on Mars, and >>> scientists would be routinely creating life in the laboratory. Did I miss >>> the headlines: "News Flash! Life Found On Mars!", or: "News Flash! >>> Scientist Creates Life In Laboratory!", or "News Flash!, Life Found In Outer >>> Space!" I think not. >>> >>> The belief in aliens seems to be a crypto-religious form of group think, >>> much like the belief in angels. It's like a self replicating dogmatic meme, >>> that requires no proof, or even evidence. You can remove the concept of gods >>> from science, that's fine by me, just don't offer up Chance or Probability >>> Theory (all kneel!) as the new god and expect me to worship it. >>> >>> Now proof of alien life would be when Klaatu lands his flying saucer on the >>> South Lawn of the Whitehouse and shares a Bud Light with Barack Obama and >>> Joe Biden. >>> >>> Klaatu barada nikto, >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> >>> OK Phil & othershere is some of the PROOF that you wanted!! >>> Sounds pretty legit to me! Read the whole thing! Hm-Sounds like my >>> post last week about amino acids coming from Comet & Meteorite impacts >>> bringing life to Earth from deep Space! >>> Time to eat some croweh?? >>> Kirk...:-) >>> >>> __ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mai
[meteorite-list] freebies
Hi all.All 7 freebies are all gone.I had to wade thru 40 emails,but the first 7 got them.Just remember to send your address when they are announced.Also lets lose this stupid alien life thing.One of the most stupid threads I have ever seen on this list.Lets just do meteorites and thier related topics. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Web site
Several people have contacted me saying if I did get access To the Proud Tom site to please let them know. One even Sent me the defunct site URL - apparently it was only up Less than 24 hrs. Those that saw it thought it was hysterical. Tom, don't let us down - but it up again and tell us the Site URL Thanks, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] COME ON! Alien Life Topic
PLEASE stop this Alian Live and Movies/TV Crapolla on the METEORITE LIST. MLB On 9/2/09 10:52 AM, "GREG LINDH" wrote: > > > Hi Phil, > > I pretty much agree with your post. I believe most of those who don't > believe in God, bow to the own god known as evolution. They are > determinedhighly motivated to believe in evolution no matter what. > As for me, I look at the universe around me, from the macro to the micro, > and all I see is an intricately *designed* universe. I say this knowing that > my statement doesn't help me here on "The List", and that you probably don't > agree with me either. It just makes me more of an outsider. > The fact is, I'm a Christian (OO NOO, Greg, DON'T admit that!) It > get's even worse. I retired from a ministry at San Quentin Prison, so my > beliefs are strongnot stupid, just strong. > So, you may not believe in a deity, you may just see the weak arguments for > evolution. So do I. I just go a step beyond that. I see strong arguments > for creation. > In any event, even though we may not be in complete agreement, I do > appreciate your point of view. > I also very much appreciate your little reference to "The Day The Earth > Stood Still". "Klaatu barada nikto", back at you. > > Greg Lindh > > >> From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:24:05 -0400 >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic >> >> Hi Kirk, >> >> You do understand the difference between evidence and proof, do you not? No >> one is denying the abundance of building blocks in comets and meteorites. >> You can't swing a dead cat on a rope and not hit a building block. Amino >> acids, glycine, phosphorus, carbon, water, you name it, it's everywhere, >> but it's not alive. Mere organic compounds by themselves are not even close >> to being live. And it's a huge gigantic step requiring more faith than I >> can muster to believe that life is an inevitable consequence of the mere >> presence of building blocks. If it were, there would be life on Mars, and >> scientists would be routinely creating life in the laboratory. Did I miss >> the headlines: "News Flash! Life Found On Mars!", or: "News Flash! >> Scientist Creates Life In Laboratory!", or "News Flash!, Life Found In Outer >> Space!" I think not. >> >> The belief in aliens seems to be a crypto-religious form of group think, >> much like the belief in angels. It's like a self replicating dogmatic meme, >> that requires no proof, or even evidence. You can remove the concept of gods >> from science, that's fine by me, just don't offer up Chance or Probability >> Theory (all kneel!) as the new god and expect me to worship it. >> >> Now proof of alien life would be when Klaatu lands his flying saucer on the >> South Lawn of the Whitehouse and shares a Bud Light with Barack Obama and >> Joe Biden. >> >> Klaatu barada nikto, >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> >> OK Phil & othershere is some of the PROOF that you wanted!! >> Sounds pretty legit to me! Read the whole thing! Hm-Sounds like my >> post last week about amino acids coming from Comet & Meteorite impacts >> bringing life to Earth from deep Space! >> Time to eat some croweh?? >> Kirk...:-) >> >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more than Famous words
Hay all, Why the TV and movie nostalgia on the meteorite List? C'mon, this is a METEORITE list. Don't get me wrong, I am a total movie geek, but this Is not the place. Also, folks, if you change topics, DO NOT keep The old "Subject Box" info the same as some previous Topic. MANY of us will only read so many posts of a given Topic and then just delete others. And while I am at it, DO NOT send private emails With [Meteorite-list] in the Subject box! Now, all that being said Apparently I missed a post With a link to a new Proud Tom web page - apparently Lampooning Steve Arnold and Mike Farmer - Dirk told Me about it, but said it is now already "down." Can anyone send me the downloaded pages (off List, of course)? Thanks, Michael PS: If anyone wants to put together a movie "list" I will Be one of the first to sign up - just not here, please. On 9/2/09 9:07 AM, "countde...@earthlink.net" wrote: > Your right! Still LMAO at that. But, the line was taken from the much earlier, > William Bendix TV character, Chester A. Riley in Life with Riley. That show > had all of us in high school at the time (51-55) repeating it. Larry is the > winner. I had Bendix, but blew the show..so he gets the meteorite. > > Nice slide into second, > > Count Deiro > > -Original Message- >> From: "Matson, Robert D." >> Sent: Sep 2, 2009 11:37 AM >> To: countde...@earthlink.net >> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Famous words >> >> Greetings Count! >> I'll forward to you what I forwarded to Richard and others earlier: >> Daffy Duck as Duck Dodgers in the 24th-and-a-half Century is the cartoon >> character that Richard was thinking of: >> >> Backup material: >> >> http://www.stuporduck.com/sounds/DS174.wav >> >> Whether this predates "Life with Father" is another matter, but >> certainly >> Daffy Duck is responsible for immortalizing the phrase in the minds of >> today's 35-60 year olds. >> >> Best, >> Rob >> >> -Original Message- >> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of >> countde...@earthlink.net >> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:31 AM >> To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Carl 's >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words >> >> Richard and List, >> >> The character actor, famous in my time, William Bendix, star of the 50's >> television show "Life with Father" originated and used as his signature >> line " what a revoltin development " in every weekly episode. >> >> I will bet a nice unclassified Nevada individual (recent find) against >> whatever anyone wants to put up that I'm right. First person that proves >> me wrong gets the prize. Proof has to be third party published material, >> so we can all see it. >> >> Have fun, >> >> Count Deiro > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw from Rob Matson: 2/9/2002 New England fireball
Rob Matson asked me to post this for him, as he's where he can't post it himself. Sterling Webb -- Hi All, I've been revisiting old fireballs for which meteorites were never recovered, but that had lots of witnesses, and based on those reports were likely to have produced meteorites. One very promising fall occurred in New England on Saturday afternoon, February 9, 2002. It was observed and or heard by dozens (if not hundreds) of people, but was never found. This is not all that surprising since there were no images or video recorded of it. But there were sonic booms heard/felt in Montgomery, Pittsfield, Northhampton, Turners Falls, Amhurst and Wilbraham (all in Massachusetts), and there were enough witness observations that I was able to bound the fall area. What I *didn't* have back in 2002 was access to Doppler radar data. Now, of course, I do, and since the data is archived back into the 1990s, I went ahead and pulled the records for the three nearest radars and searched for transient anomalies. Good news: after about an hour, I found it! And it's now clear how meteorites from this fall could have avoided accidental discovery in the intervening 7 1/2 years. The fall wasn't in a very populated area, and it wasn't close to where you would think to look if you were guided by the witness observations alone. If there is anyone in the New England area that would like to try to track this down, just float me an e-mail and I'll give you the particulars. There are decent roads into the area, but the terrain is forested and a little mountainous (1000-2000'). Without the radar data, this would be a hopeless area to search; but with it, the search area is sufficiently small that a concerted group effort has a chance of success. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Bloods Meteorite Friends
Hello GeoZay, I thought the same thing today, but see he has a link for his original friends page which has the majority, if not all of his friends photos. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Bloods Meteorite Friends Hi allonce in a while I stroll thru the various photos of Met List members on Michael bloods site. Its been awhile and just noticed a lot of photo removals. Just curious as to what the general reason was...Identity theft? :O) GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Labor Day weekend sale
To celebrate Labor Day and the long weekend, I have a couple of auctions running on ebay ending Saturday (1:05 pm PDT) and Sunday (6:43 pm PDT). Up on the block are: NWA 869 - cherry and oriented individuals Brenham - 35g olivine packed partslice HaH 244 - 21.6g fresh fusion crust rimmed full slice Sah 02500 - 12.3g endcut, 31.88g individual Bjurbole - 0.12g micro SaU 001 - 60g individual Henbury - 4.78g sculpted individual Nadiabondi - 2.9g crusted individual from a rare fall Holbrook - Perfect 1.1g full slice Sulagiri - Crusted 1.09g partslice Olivine Bomb - Split and polished half stones of green olivine ... and much more. These are all top quality pieces that would make a great addition to your collection, with many starting at 99¢ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Mahalo for looking! Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Michael Bloods Meteorite Friends
Hi allonce in a while I stroll thru the various photos of Met List members on Michael bloods site. Its been awhile and just noticed a lot of photo removals. Just curious as to what the general reason was...Identity theft? :O) GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Life - We are the proof!
Great post Erictres bien! You said it better than I tried to!! Kirk...:-) - Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Life - We are the proof! Hi List, Ok, Now we're getting somewhere. Why I didn't see the aliens for all the humans I don't know. Kind of the forest for the trees scenario I guess. Which just goes to show that life does in fact exist elsewhere. Our own existence proves it. We are that life, we exist therefore other life must exist as well. Looking at our own planet from outside our own galaxy, instead of saying life is "out there somewhere" why didn't we look back at ourselves? Maybe because we've never left our neighborhood. In the history of human kind, knowledge is relative. Meaning that it's relative to local environment and experience. Too many times has human kind been locked in the box of their own interpretations of their local environment and the knowledge of their immediate surroundings. We've always assumed that everything must somehow center around ourselves. Most humans who've ever lived have never ventured past the realms of their own comfortable little worlds. Our tiny personal section of the world is what we know and we tend to base our interpretation of the unknown on our own biased local knowledge. It wasn't until recently (the past few thousand years) that human kind has started to look outward and beyond our own home for answers. We've only very recently (geologically and universally speaking) begun to explore the world of meteorites and to study the composition of our own solar system. Not only can meteorites tell us what our solar system is made of, but they can tell us how old it is, and whether the possibility of life exists beyond our own little neck of the woods. All known meteorites are not even a minute fraction of the mass of our own planet much less the massive amounts of material floating around in our own solar system, or our entire galaxy, or the universe. How many planetary systems are in each galaxy, and how much material is floating around out there that we "don't" know about? How many unknown minerals, and chemicals have we yet to discover? We're assuming that everything is pretty much the same throughout the universe chemically. I ask you this. How can we state that unequivocally? We can't.. There are billions of species of life forms on out planet. How can we say with certainty that there is nothing else out there? We can't. We are the answer to our own question of whether life could survive in the desolate universe. If we can survive, so can other life. There is NO arguing that. If you believe in us, you MUST believe in other life out there whether they be little green aliens or carbon based microbial lifeforms or anything else we would define as life. Our very existence proves it. Or does it? Can someone point out a flaw in the logic of this thought process? Maybe this is linear thinking but honestly maybe I'm too tired right now after being up all night and can't think of one. I'd be curious to see what people think about that. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the chemistry of the universe
--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Meteorites USA wrote: How many unknown minerals, > and chemicals have we yet to discover? We're assuming that > everything is pretty much the same throughout the universe > chemically. I ask you this. How can we state that > unequivocally? We can't.. Well, actually, we can. Spectroscopy informs us quite equivocally that the elements of matter on earth are the same as the elements across the universe. The laws of physics and chemistry is universally the same and atoms will join up with each other the same as they do on earth or in a laboratory under the same conditions of pressure, temperature and concentration producing the same minerals wherever they are. Yes, we will find a few new minerals formed under exceptional circumstances that perhaps we haven't even conceived of yet, or been unable to examine using current technology but generally, what you see here is pretty much all there is out there, too. Rob McC __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
William Bendix (who did say "What a revoltin' development," had a TV show called "The Life of Riley," not "Life With Father." He used the line on his radio show of the same name in the Forties, and it was a universal cliché of the war years. "Life With Father" was first a huge Broadway hit play in 1939, then a 1947 movie with William Powell and Irene Dunne, and then a TV show from 1953 to 1955, with Leon Ames and Lurene Tuttle. It was based on memoirs written by Clarence Day Jr. about his father (logically enough). Don't they teach you kids anything...? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: To: "Richard Kowalski" ; ; "Carl 's" Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words Richard and List, The character actor, famous in my time, William Bendix, star of the 50's television show "Life with Father" originated and used as his signature line " what a revoltin development " in every weekly episode. I will bet a nice unclassified Nevada individual (recent find) against whatever anyone wants to put up that I'm right. First person that proves me wrong gets the prize. Proof has to be third party published material, so we can all see it. Have fun, Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski Sent: Sep 2, 2009 11:02 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Carl 's Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words Nah, Yesterday I thought a cartoon character, but this morning seeing Carl's response, all I could hear was Jimmy Durante speaking those words... -- Richard --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Carl 's wrote: From: Carl 's Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:49 AM Sounds like Jackie Gleason. Carl, Flintstone Fan Pete wrote: >What a revoltin' development this is! See if anyone remembers who said that one. Everyone saying how they liked "My First Meteorite Presentation" and I have to see it from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. What a revoltin' development this is! One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, pow right in the kisser!... _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Universe TV show/Mike Hankey's front page news
Rats! I don't get the National Geographic Channel. :( Another can't miss show that I'll be missing. Sounds like a great show, too. Mike, great article on your front page news! Carl >There is a National Geographic Channel program in final production that > should air in a few months that is specifically about the 2008 TC3. It'll be > divided into approximately thirds; Discovery, the flurry of activity the day > before impact and then the recovery of the Almahata Sitta meteorites. > _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: AUCTIONS ENDING IN A FEW HOURS- Many Still At Great Prices ... Store Sale Ends Today!
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[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay listings, items ending soon.
Hi to all, I have some items ending today and all this week. Some of what you will find: Camel Donga fragments and whole stones Tatahouine Lunar fragments from .27g to .80g and some really nice lunar displays for only $25! Check out my ebay listings: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 I also have some very nice Camel Donga thin sections for sale for only $80 each. Send me an email for more on them. Hope everyone has a good day! Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Koeberl's List of Publications (Lots of PDF Files)
Hi Paul! Wow, thanks for the link. There's a lot of interesting stuff on that site. :) Finally, a post on the Met List about METEORITES! (and there was much rejoicing!..yah!) Best regards, MikeG On 9/2/09, Paul wrote: > Christian Koeberl's List of Publications > > http://www.univie.ac.at/geochemistry/koeberl/publikation_list/ > > Lots of PDF files of very interesting papers by Dr. Christian > Koeberl to be downloaded from the above web page. > > Yours, > > Paul H. > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Christian Koeberl's List of Publications (Lots of PDF Files)
Christian Koeberl's List of Publications http://www.univie.ac.at/geochemistry/koeberl/publikation_list/ Lots of PDF files of very interesting papers by Dr. Christian Koeberl to be downloaded from the above web page. Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic
Hi Phil, I pretty much agree with your post. I believe most of those who don't believe in God, bow to the own god known as evolution. They are determinedhighly motivated to believe in evolution no matter what. As for me, I look at the universe around me, from the macro to the micro, and all I see is an intricately *designed* universe. I say this knowing that my statement doesn't help me here on "The List", and that you probably don't agree with me either. It just makes me more of an outsider. The fact is, I'm a Christian (OO NOO, Greg, DON'T admit that!) It get's even worse. I retired from a ministry at San Quentin Prison, so my beliefs are strongnot stupid, just strong. So, you may not believe in a deity, you may just see the weak arguments for evolution. So do I. I just go a step beyond that. I see strong arguments for creation. In any event, even though we may not be in complete agreement, I do appreciate your point of view. I also very much appreciate your little reference to "The Day The Earth Stood Still". "Klaatu barada nikto", back at you. Greg Lindh > From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:24:05 -0400 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic > > Hi Kirk, > > You do understand the difference between evidence and proof, do you not? No > one is denying the abundance of building blocks in comets and meteorites. > You can't swing a dead cat on a rope and not hit a building block. Amino > acids, glycine, phosphorus, carbon, water, you name it, it's everywhere, > but it's not alive. Mere organic compounds by themselves are not even close > to being live. And it's a huge gigantic step requiring more faith than I > can muster to believe that life is an inevitable consequence of the mere > presence of building blocks. If it were, there would be life on Mars, and > scientists would be routinely creating life in the laboratory. Did I miss > the headlines: "News Flash! Life Found On Mars!", or: "News Flash! > Scientist Creates Life In Laboratory!", or "News Flash!, Life Found In Outer > Space!" I think not. > > The belief in aliens seems to be a crypto-religious form of group think, > much like the belief in angels. It's like a self replicating dogmatic meme, > that requires no proof, or even evidence. You can remove the concept of gods > from science, that's fine by me, just don't offer up Chance or Probability > Theory (all kneel!) as the new god and expect me to worship it. > > Now proof of alien life would be when Klaatu lands his flying saucer on the > South Lawn of the Whitehouse and shares a Bud Light with Barack Obama and > Joe Biden. > > Klaatu barada nikto, > > Phil Whitmer > > > OK Phil & othershere is some of the PROOF that you wanted!! > Sounds pretty legit to me! Read the whole thing! Hm-Sounds like my > post last week about amino acids coming from Comet & Meteorite impacts > bringing life to Earth from deep Space! > Time to eat some croweh?? > Kirk...:-) > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Universe TV Show
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Re: [meteorite-list] Universe TV Show
I'm looking forward to seeing the nat geo show. I was disappointed they didn't spend more time on your guys / your work. Its still pretty cool though. Congrats. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: > No, they didn't do any taping here... And they got our name wrong. We're > Catalina Sky Survey, not Catalina Sky Observatory. The photo they showed is > of our Schmidt telescope, which is about 8 km from our 1.5-m telescope on top > of Mt. Lemmon. The 1.5-m was where TC3 was discovered. > > There is a National Geographic Channel program in final production that > should air in a few months that is specifically about the 2008 TC3. It'll be > divided into approximately thirds; Discovery, the flurry of activity the day > before impact and then the recovery of the Almahata Sitta meteorites. > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Mike Hankey wrote: > >> From: Mike Hankey >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Universe TV Show >> To: "meteoritelist" >> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:52 AM >> I forgot to mention Richard's >> Observatory was featured on the show >> last night. They started the show out with the TC3 >> discovery. I looked >> at my wife and said, I know that guy. He's on the met list! >> I was >> expecting to see you on the show Richard, but I think they >> must have >> cut you out! :) >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: type 3's & Olivine Diogenite
Dear List, I have some quality material Ebay auctions running: - Top quality endcuts (small) of the fresh L3.2 (NWA5730 L3.2 S2 W1) - Colourful L3.5 slices (NWA5729 L3.5 S1 W2): Bulls-eye Chondrules! - Small Olivine Diogenite slice and endcut You might want to have a look at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/rob1612mar Thanks, Rob Lenssen IMCA #1681 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Remove me from list
No way ... you are on forever... Just kidding, you have to go to the home page for the list and remove yourself... meteoritecentral.com On Sep 2, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Wayne Holmes wrote: Please remove me from the list. Thanks Wayne __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Remove me from list
Please remove me from the list. Thanks Wayne __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 7 NEW FREEBIES
Hi list.I have 7 new freebies to givaway today..I have 3 unclassed small individuals,3.5,4.0 4.5 grams,1 mali 4.4 gram slice,1 mali 18 gram stone,1 8 gram oriented sikohote-alin,3 fragments of nwa 1794 4 grams.I encourage newbies to chime in.On these offerings,it will be the usa only this time. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
William Bendix, "the Life of Riley," NBC-TV 1953-58. Gleason played the role for one season, 49-50, but really wasn't suited to the blue collar role. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Carl 's Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:50 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words Sounds like Jackie Gleason. Carl, Flintstone Fan Pete wrote: >What a revoltin' development this is! See if anyone remembers who said that one. Everyone saying how they liked "My First Meteorite Presentation" and I have to see it from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. What a revoltin' development this is! One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, pow right in the kisser!... _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackT oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Universe TV Show
No, they didn't do any taping here... And they got our name wrong. We're Catalina Sky Survey, not Catalina Sky Observatory. The photo they showed is of our Schmidt telescope, which is about 8 km from our 1.5-m telescope on top of Mt. Lemmon. The 1.5-m was where TC3 was discovered. There is a National Geographic Channel program in final production that should air in a few months that is specifically about the 2008 TC3. It'll be divided into approximately thirds; Discovery, the flurry of activity the day before impact and then the recovery of the Almahata Sitta meteorites. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Mike Hankey wrote: > From: Mike Hankey > Subject: [meteorite-list] Universe TV Show > To: "meteoritelist" > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:52 AM > I forgot to mention Richard's > Observatory was featured on the show > last night. They started the show out with the TC3 > discovery. I looked > at my wife and said, I know that guy. He's on the met list! > I was > expecting to see you on the show Richard, but I think they > must have > cut you out! :) > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Front Page News
Hey, Ok, sorry I know I have a lot to say today. I made it to the front page of the Lancaster County Newspaper today. http://www.reddit.com/tb/9gkqe Just so you know, I was misquoted a couple of times in the article. I know I will get some corrections from you guys, so just want to go on record before you read it. The main problem is the line about black & magnetic = meteorite ... I did NOT say that. I said : black & magnetic = maybe meteorite (take picture and email it to expert). I also didn't say meteorites cost $1000 per gram.. might be a couple of other wrong things in there, but I'm still happy with it. I've already got two people trying to contact me cause they say they found meteorites. I will probably have to search through a ton of fine PA slag If you have a reddit account, please up-vote the story. If you don't have a reddit account, get one (only takes 5 seconds) and then up-vote the story. ( i will really appreciate it and the meteor gods will send you blessings) Thanks, Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
Your right! Still LMAO at that. But, the line was taken from the much earlier, William Bendix TV character, Chester A. Riley in Life with Riley. That show had all of us in high school at the time (51-55) repeating it. Larry is the winner. I had Bendix, but blew the show..so he gets the meteorite. Nice slide into second, Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: "Matson, Robert D." >Sent: Sep 2, 2009 11:37 AM >To: countde...@earthlink.net >Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Famous words > >Greetings Count! >I'll forward to you what I forwarded to Richard and others earlier: >Daffy Duck as Duck Dodgers in the 24th-and-a-half Century is the cartoon >character that Richard was thinking of: > >Backup material: > >http://www.stuporduck.com/sounds/DS174.wav > >Whether this predates "Life with Father" is another matter, but >certainly >Daffy Duck is responsible for immortalizing the phrase in the minds of >today's 35-60 year olds. > >Best, >Rob > >-Original Message- >From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of >countde...@earthlink.net >Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:31 AM >To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Carl 's >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words > >Richard and List, > >The character actor, famous in my time, William Bendix, star of the 50's >television show "Life with Father" originated and used as his signature >line " what a revoltin development " in every weekly episode. > >I will bet a nice unclassified Nevada individual (recent find) against >whatever anyone wants to put up that I'm right. First person that proves >me wrong gets the prize. Proof has to be third party published material, >so we can all see it. > >Have fun, > >Count Deiro __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Winner of Famous Words Contest.
Hi Larry, Richard and List, I had the series name incorrect, and notwithstanding that I had the correct personality, William Bendix, I'm declaring Larry the winner. Your Nevada meteorite will be in the mail as soon as you send me your address Larry. Hope to meet you personally on some strewn field, or Tucson in February. Guido..Count Deiro __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Universe TV Show
I forgot to mention Richard's Observatory was featured on the show last night. They started the show out with the TC3 discovery. I looked at my wife and said, I know that guy. He's on the met list! I was expecting to see you on the show Richard, but I think they must have cut you out! :) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
>>Glad to know somebody else out there might be a "grey wolf" like me.<< You're just a hound dog...crying all the time. :O) GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Famous words
Leon Ames was in the TV series "Life with Father" in 1953-55. William Bendix was in The Life of Riley" in 1953-58, 212 episodes, and used the "What a revoltin' development this is" catchphrase in that show. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of countde...@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:31 AM To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Carl 's Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words Richard and List, The character actor, famous in my time, William Bendix, star of the 50's television show "Life with Father" originated and used as his signature line " what a revoltin development " in every weekly episode. I will bet a nice unclassified Nevada individual (recent find) against whatever anyone wants to put up that I'm right. First person that proves me wrong gets the prize. Proof has to be third party published material, so we can all see it. Have fun, Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: Richard Kowalski >Sent: Sep 2, 2009 11:02 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Carl 's >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words > >Nah, > >Yesterday I thought a cartoon character, but this morning seeing Carl's response, all I could hear was Jimmy Durante speaking those words... >-- >Richard > > >--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Carl 's wrote: > >> From: Carl 's >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:49 AM >> >> >> Sounds like Jackie Gleason. >> >> Carl, Flintstone Fan >> >> >> Pete wrote: >> >> >What a revoltin' development this is! >> See if anyone remembers who said that one. >> Everyone saying how they liked >> "My First Meteorite Presentation" and I have to see it >> from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. >> What a revoltin' development this is! >> One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, >> pow right in the kisser!... >> >> >> _ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackT oSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > >__ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
Larry and all, yep, I am too young, but I'm hearing that from others less and less and saying it to others more and more. I stand corrected by those who know better than I. -- Richard --- On Wed, 9/2/09, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: > From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words > To: "Richard Kowalski" > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Carl 's" > > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:35 AM > Hi Richard: > > You are too young: > > We have mixed quotes: > > "[One of these days, Alice,] Pow, right in the kisser": > Jackie Gleason as > Ralph Cramden (the Honeymooners) > > "What a revoltin' development" William Bendix and Chester > A. Riley (The > Life of Riley) > > Larry __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
You right Larry. I'm in my 70's. I blew the title of the show, but you even had the character's name. Good ole Chester A. Riley. I'm still laughing. Glad to know somebody else out there might be a "grey wolf" like me. Good on ya, Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu >Sent: Sep 2, 2009 11:35 AM >To: Richard Kowalski >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Carl 's >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words > >Hi Richard: > >You are too young: > >We have mixed quotes: > >"[One of these days, Alice,] Pow, right in the kisser": Jackie Gleason as >Ralph Cramden (the Honeymooners) > >"What a revoltin' development" William Bendix and Chester A. Riley (The >Life of Riley) > >Larry > >> Nah, >> >> Yesterday I thought a cartoon character, but this morning seeing Carl's >> response, all I could hear was Jimmy Durante speaking those words... >> -- >> Richard >> >> >> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Carl 's wrote: >> >>> From: Carl 's >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words >>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:49 AM >>> >>> >>> Sounds like Jackie Gleason. >>> >>> Carl, Flintstone Fan >>> >>> >>> Pete wrote: >>> >>> >What a revoltin' development this is! >>> See if anyone remembers who said that one. >>> Everyone saying how they liked >>> "My First Meteorite Presentation" and I have to see it >>> from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. >>> What a revoltin' development this is! >>> One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, >>> pow right in the kisser!... >>> >>> >>> _ >>> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >>> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >>> __ >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > >__ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Famous Words
You're going to the moon Alice! was always one of my favorites Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic
Hi Eric, Nice summary of the anthropic principle: no matter how low the probability that any given galaxy will have intelligent life in it, the universe must have at least one intelligent species by definition otherwise the question would not arise. (Wikipedia) Hi List, Ok, Now we're getting somewhere. Why I didn't see the aliens for all the humans I don't know. Kind of the forest for the trees scenario I guess. Which just goes to show that life does in fact exist elsewhere. Our own existence proves it. We are that life, we exist therefore other life must exist as well. Looking at our own planet from outside our own galaxy, instead of saying life is "out there somewhere" why didn't we look back at ourselves? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" the Series
Carl, Take it offline, please. Dave - Original Message - From: To: "Greg Hupe" ; "meteoritelist" Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" the Series Greg, I am truly sorry if I mistook you for your brother about NWA 5000. I do know that you are guilty of attacking me many times on this list. I know we have never met and so I have always wondered why you have attacked me. You stated this thread with your negative remarks not me. So, I will leave you alone if you do the same. It is rumored that Farmer was removed from this list for libeling Steve and you have left a bad taste about me on this list. Again, I do not know why? But your comment about me walking South is a little less than subtle as well. Is that a racist remark because my name is Esparza?? My family has lived here for four generations and where I live once was Mexico. BTW, Icebrgs would be found closer if I walk north. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Greg Hupe wrote: Again Carl, You have no clue. I DO NOT have NWA 5000, my brother does! Who did I Libel? No One! Look up the meaning of the word before you go around spouting off again. You say and do things behind the scenes that are not true and not good. Yes, "You" know what I mean!!! Carl, just go away, leave me alone, do not say any more garbage about me behind the scenes that are untrue (speaking of Libel). Maybe a nice long walk south, all the way south, will do you some good! It may cool you off once you reach an iceberg or two! You are a waste of time here. I will not waste any more of it on your non"sense"! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: To: "Meteorite List" ; "Greg Hupe" Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" the Series > Greg, list, > OMG. > Sorry about this but There he goes again," Attacking" . > I most certainly DO NOT "know what he means"? I have done nothing > wrong. > These comments border on if not reek of Libel. > I think libel is reason to be removed from this list. Hint hint. > Even when somebody does something positive you turn it into a negative. > The Porthole design is NWA 5000 display that you acussed Lang (I think) > of > plagiarizing for his meteorite display on this very list so, you cannot > deny it. . I think some Sub engineers are ahead of you on the origin of > this design. . Carl > > -- > Carl or Debbie Esparza > IMCA 5829 > Meteoritemax > > > Greg Hupe wrote: >> Carl, >> >> First, I am not looking for fans and press! I do what I do because "I" >> enjoy >> it, and yes, that means meteorites and most aspects about them. I say >> most, >> because like all things, there are negatives to everything. I think >> "You" >> are one of these negatives that I need not get into here, "You" know >> what >> I >> mean! >> >> As for some of your comments, I do not know what you mean about a >> porthole >> design, you are thinking of someone else. You say you would like to >> continue >> Steve and Geoff's positive theme, Good, now go do it instead of your >> behind >> the scenes "Negative" acts you do. "You" know what I mean! >> >> I think that the majority of the List Members do Not want you to speak >> for >> them. There are many who know about your behind the scenes antics and >> negativity. "You" know what I mean! >> >> I do not know what you mean by stating, "We no longer have Bob >> Haag..."??? >> He is alive and well, AND promotes meteorites positively every day!! >> "You" >> Do Not know what I mean! >> >> Carl, I wish you the best in joining Steve and Geoff! "That" should >> add >> an >> interesting twist to their show! >> >> I apologize to the List Members for these Carl Esparza emails, he has >> gotten >> out of hand, and "He" knows what I mean! >> >> With that, I think I will get back to the "nothing" I do for >> meteoritics... >> >> "Best regards", >> Greg >> >> >> Greg Hupe >> The Hupe Collection >> NaturesVault (eBay) >> gmh...@htn.net >> www.LunarRock.com >> IMCA 3163 >> >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: >> To: "Meteorite List" ; "Greg >> Hupe" >> >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" the Series >> >> >> > Greg, >> > You crack me up. >> > How can you insult me and then sign off with; "Best regards, >> > Greg ". >> > I'm sorry that you don't ever do anything to generate your own pool >> > of >> > "fans", But The Meteorite Men Do!. Unlike all of your posts, they >> > are >> > constantly promoting this hobby with a super positive and >> > enthusiastic
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
Hi Richard: You are too young: We have mixed quotes: "[One of these days, Alice,] Pow, right in the kisser": Jackie Gleason as Ralph Cramden (the Honeymooners) "What a revoltin' development" William Bendix and Chester A. Riley (The Life of Riley) Larry > Nah, > > Yesterday I thought a cartoon character, but this morning seeing Carl's > response, all I could hear was Jimmy Durante speaking those words... > -- > Richard > > > --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Carl 's wrote: > >> From: Carl 's >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:49 AM >> >> >> Sounds like Jackie Gleason. >> >> Carl, Flintstone Fan >> >> >> Pete wrote: >> >> >What a revoltin' development this is! >> See if anyone remembers who said that one. >> Everyone saying how they liked >> "My First Meteorite Presentation" and I have to see it >> from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. >> What a revoltin' development this is! >> One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, >> pow right in the kisser!... >> >> >> _ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Universe - TV Show
Guys, I'm sure you all know about this, but just in case... There is a new HD / kick butt show on the history channel called the universe. Its like planet earth (not quite as good quality) but about space. Last night was the meteor episode. It was pretty awesome. This should be on everyone's tivo/dvr. You can probably catch the meteor episode on re-runs later this week. Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
Richard and List, The character actor, famous in my time, William Bendix, star of the 50's television show "Life with Father" originated and used as his signature line " what a revoltin development " in every weekly episode. I will bet a nice unclassified Nevada individual (recent find) against whatever anyone wants to put up that I'm right. First person that proves me wrong gets the prize. Proof has to be third party published material, so we can all see it. Have fun, Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: Richard Kowalski >Sent: Sep 2, 2009 11:02 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Carl 's >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words > >Nah, > >Yesterday I thought a cartoon character, but this morning seeing Carl's >response, all I could hear was Jimmy Durante speaking those words... >-- >Richard > > >--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Carl 's wrote: > >> From: Carl 's >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:49 AM >> >> >> Sounds like Jackie Gleason. >> >> Carl, Flintstone Fan >> >> >> Pete wrote: >> >> >What a revoltin' development this is! >> See if anyone remembers who said that one. >> Everyone saying how they liked >> "My First Meteorite Presentation" and I have to see it >> from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. >> What a revoltin' development this is! >> One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, >> pow right in the kisser!... >> >> >> _ >> Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. >> http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > >__ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Saw Fireball Last Night
Hello, I saw a pretty big fireball last night from my house in freeland MD. It was low in the sky (maybe 15-20 degrees over horizon). It was almost perfectly due west, 15 degrees or so south of west. It was traveling at a 45 degree angle moving towards the south. It was very lucky, I had just stepped outside at about 12:30 am and saw it right over my observatory in my backyard, the second after I went outside. I got a text from a friend this morning that said he heard something about a carrol county fireball on the radio. I feel special. Thanks, Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alien Life Topic
Hi Kirk, You do understand the difference between evidence and proof, do you not? No one is denying the abundance of building blocks in comets and meteorites. You can't swing a dead cat on a rope and not hit a building block. Amino acids, glycine, phosphorus, carbon, water, you name it, it's everywhere, but it's not alive. Mere organic compounds by themselves are not even close to being live. And it's a huge gigantic step requiring more faith than I can muster to believe that life is an inevitable consequence of the mere presence of building blocks. If it were, there would be life on Mars, and scientists would be routinely creating life in the laboratory. Did I miss the headlines: "News Flash! Life Found On Mars!", or: "News Flash! Scientist Creates Life In Laboratory!", or "News Flash!, Life Found In Outer Space!" I think not. The belief in aliens seems to be a crypto-religious form of group think, much like the belief in angels. It's like a self replicating dogmatic meme, that requires no proof, or even evidence. You can remove the concept of gods from science, that's fine by me, just don't offer up Chance or Probability Theory (all kneel!) as the new god and expect me to worship it. Now proof of alien life would be when Klaatu lands his flying saucer on the South Lawn of the Whitehouse and shares a Bud Light with Barack Obama and Joe Biden. Klaatu barada nikto, Phil Whitmer OK Phil & othershere is some of the PROOF that you wanted!! Sounds pretty legit to me! Read the whole thing! Hm-Sounds like my post last week about amino acids coming from Comet & Meteorite impacts bringing life to Earth from deep Space! Time to eat some croweh?? Kirk...:-) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alien Life - We are the proof!
Hi List, Ok, Now we're getting somewhere. Why I didn't see the aliens for all the humans I don't know. Kind of the forest for the trees scenario I guess. Which just goes to show that life does in fact exist elsewhere. Our own existence proves it. We are that life, we exist therefore other life must exist as well. Looking at our own planet from outside our own galaxy, instead of saying life is "out there somewhere" why didn't we look back at ourselves? Maybe because we've never left our neighborhood. In the history of human kind, knowledge is relative. Meaning that it's relative to local environment and experience. Too many times has human kind been locked in the box of their own interpretations of their local environment and the knowledge of their immediate surroundings. We've always assumed that everything must somehow center around ourselves. Most humans who've ever lived have never ventured past the realms of their own comfortable little worlds. Our tiny personal section of the world is what we know and we tend to base our interpretation of the unknown on our own biased local knowledge. It wasn't until recently (the past few thousand years) that human kind has started to look outward and beyond our own home for answers. We've only very recently (geologically and universally speaking) begun to explore the world of meteorites and to study the composition of our own solar system. Not only can meteorites tell us what our solar system is made of, but they can tell us how old it is, and whether the possibility of life exists beyond our own little neck of the woods. All known meteorites are not even a minute fraction of the mass of our own planet much less the massive amounts of material floating around in our own solar system, or our entire galaxy, or the universe. How many planetary systems are in each galaxy, and how much material is floating around out there that we "don't" know about? How many unknown minerals, and chemicals have we yet to discover? We're assuming that everything is pretty much the same throughout the universe chemically. I ask you this. How can we state that unequivocally? We can't.. There are billions of species of life forms on out planet. How can we say with certainty that there is nothing else out there? We can't. We are the answer to our own question of whether life could survive in the desolate universe. If we can survive, so can other life. There is NO arguing that. If you believe in us, you MUST believe in other life out there whether they be little green aliens or carbon based microbial lifeforms or anything else we would define as life. Our very existence proves it. Or does it? Can someone point out a flaw in the logic of this thought process? Maybe this is linear thinking but honestly maybe I'm too tired right now after being up all night and can't think of one. I'd be curious to see what people think about that. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
Nah, Yesterday I thought a cartoon character, but this morning seeing Carl's response, all I could hear was Jimmy Durante speaking those words... -- Richard --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Carl 's wrote: > From: Carl 's > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:49 AM > > > Sounds like Jackie Gleason. > > Carl, Flintstone Fan > > > Pete wrote: > > >What a revoltin' development this is! > See if anyone remembers who said that one. > Everyone saying how they liked > "My First Meteorite Presentation" and I have to see it > from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. > What a revoltin' development this is! > One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, > pow right in the kisser!... > > > _ > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien life topic
Oh---BTW---I agree with Greg! Have a good day all! Kirk..:-) - Original Message - From: "Greg Catterton" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien life topic Here is some interesting reading. "GLycine in Wild 2 comet dust provides fresh evidence of life beyond earth" Australian Associated Press | AFP The discovery ... strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare. Astrobiologist Carl Pilcher Scientists have uncovered fresh evidence that life could exist beyond Earth, with research published on Tuesday showing that comet dust contained traces of a compound vital to human existence. Researchers probing dust and gas collected from the Wild 2 comet by NASA's Stardust spacecraft in 2004 found traces of the amino acid glycine, lending credence to idea that there is life elsewhere in the universe. "The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Carl Pilcher, one of the space agency's top astrobiologists. Jamie Elsila, lead author of the report, which was published in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science, said the findings also support the idea that the material elements of human life may have come from space. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts," she said. The group's final findings confirm suspicions that the amino acid -- which creates the proteins that form the building blocks of life -- were not simply earth-sourced contamination. "We discovered that the Stardust-returned glycine has an extraterrestrial carbon isotope signature, indicating that it originated on the comet," said Elsila. Twenty different amino acids are arranged to build the millions of different proteins that make up everything from hair to enzymes, NASA said. http://livenews.com.au/life/glycine-in-wild-2-comet-dust-provides-fresh-evidence-of-life-beyond-earth/2009/8/19/216679 Proof? who knows. Hope everyone is doing good today! Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien life topic
OK Phil & othershere is some of the PROOF that you wanted!! Sounds pretty legit to me! Read the whole thing! Hm-Sounds like my post last week about amino acids coming from Comet & Meteorite impacts bringing life to Earth from deep Space! Time to eat some croweh?? Kirk...:-) - Original Message - From: "Greg Catterton" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alien life topic Here is some interesting reading. "GLycine in Wild 2 comet dust provides fresh evidence of life beyond earth" Australian Associated Press | AFP The discovery ... strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare. Astrobiologist Carl Pilcher Scientists have uncovered fresh evidence that life could exist beyond Earth, with research published on Tuesday showing that comet dust contained traces of a compound vital to human existence. Researchers probing dust and gas collected from the Wild 2 comet by NASA's Stardust spacecraft in 2004 found traces of the amino acid glycine, lending credence to idea that there is life elsewhere in the universe. "The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Carl Pilcher, one of the space agency's top astrobiologists. Jamie Elsila, lead author of the report, which was published in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science, said the findings also support the idea that the material elements of human life may have come from space. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts," she said. The group's final findings confirm suspicions that the amino acid -- which creates the proteins that form the building blocks of life -- were not simply earth-sourced contamination. "We discovered that the Stardust-returned glycine has an extraterrestrial carbon isotope signature, indicating that it originated on the comet," said Elsila. Twenty different amino acids are arranged to build the millions of different proteins that make up everything from hair to enzymes, NASA said. http://livenews.com.au/life/glycine-in-wild-2-comet-dust-provides-fresh-evidence-of-life-beyond-earth/2009/8/19/216679 Proof? who knows. Hope everyone is doing good today! Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" the Series
Greg, I am truly sorry if I mistook you for your brother about NWA 5000. I do know that you are guilty of attacking me many times on this list. I know we have never met and so I have always wondered why you have attacked me. You stated this thread with your negative remarks not me. So, I will leave you alone if you do the same. It is rumored that Farmer was removed from this list for libeling Steve and you have left a bad taste about me on this list. Again, I do not know why? But your comment about me walking South is a little less than subtle as well. Is that a racist remark because my name is Esparza?? My family has lived here for four generations and where I live once was Mexico. BTW, Icebrgs would be found closer if I walk north. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Greg Hupe wrote: > Again Carl, > > You have no clue. I DO NOT have NWA 5000, my brother does! > > Who did I Libel? No One! Look up the meaning of the word before you go > around spouting off again. You say and do things behind the scenes that are > not true and not good. Yes, "You" know what I mean!!! > > Carl, just go away, leave me alone, do not say any more garbage about me > behind the scenes that are untrue (speaking of Libel). Maybe a nice long > walk south, all the way south, will do you some good! It may cool you off > once you reach an iceberg or two! > > You are a waste of time here. I will not waste any more of it on your > non"sense"! > > Best regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmh...@htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > > - Original Message - > From: > To: "Meteorite List" ; "Greg Hupe" > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" the Series > > > > Greg, list, > > OMG. > > Sorry about this but There he goes again," Attacking" . > > I most certainly DO NOT "know what he means"? I have done nothing wrong. > > These comments border on if not reek of Libel. > > I think libel is reason to be removed from this list. Hint hint. > > Even when somebody does something positive you turn it into a negative. > > The Porthole design is NWA 5000 display that you acussed Lang (I think) of > > plagiarizing for his meteorite display on this very list so, you cannot > > deny it. . I think some Sub engineers are ahead of you on the origin of > > this design. . Carl > > > > -- > > Carl or Debbie Esparza > > IMCA 5829 > > Meteoritemax > > > > > > Greg Hupe wrote: > >> Carl, > >> > >> First, I am not looking for fans and press! I do what I do because "I" > >> enjoy > >> it, and yes, that means meteorites and most aspects about them. I say > >> most, > >> because like all things, there are negatives to everything. I think "You" > >> are one of these negatives that I need not get into here, "You" know what > >> I > >> mean! > >> > >> As for some of your comments, I do not know what you mean about a > >> porthole > >> design, you are thinking of someone else. You say you would like to > >> continue > >> Steve and Geoff's positive theme, Good, now go do it instead of your > >> behind > >> the scenes "Negative" acts you do. "You" know what I mean! > >> > >> I think that the majority of the List Members do Not want you to speak > >> for > >> them. There are many who know about your behind the scenes antics and > >> negativity. "You" know what I mean! > >> > >> I do not know what you mean by stating, "We no longer have Bob > >> Haag..."??? > >> He is alive and well, AND promotes meteorites positively every day!! > >> "You" > >> Do Not know what I mean! > >> > >> Carl, I wish you the best in joining Steve and Geoff! "That" should add > >> an > >> interesting twist to their show! > >> > >> I apologize to the List Members for these Carl Esparza emails, he has > >> gotten > >> out of hand, and "He" knows what I mean! > >> > >> With that, I think I will get back to the "nothing" I do for > >> meteoritics... > >> > >> "Best regards", > >> Greg > >> > >> > >> Greg Hupe > >> The Hupe Collection > >> NaturesVault (eBay) > >> gmh...@htn.net > >> www.LunarRock.com > >> IMCA 3163 > >> > >> Click here for my current eBay auctions: > >> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: > >> To: "Meteorite List" ; "Greg Hupe" > >> > >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:02 PM > >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Meteorite Men" the Series > >> > >> > >> > Greg, > >> > You crack me up. > >> > How can you insult me and then sign off with; "Best regards, > >> > Greg ". > >> > I'm sorry that you don't ever do anything to generate your own pool of > >> > "fans", But The Meteorite Men Do!. Unlike all of your posts, they are > >> > constantly promoting this hobby with a s
[meteorite-list] Alien life topic
Here is some interesting reading. "GLycine in Wild 2 comet dust provides fresh evidence of life beyond earth" Australian Associated Press | AFP The discovery ... strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare. Astrobiologist Carl Pilcher Scientists have uncovered fresh evidence that life could exist beyond Earth, with research published on Tuesday showing that comet dust contained traces of a compound vital to human existence. Researchers probing dust and gas collected from the Wild 2 comet by NASA's Stardust spacecraft in 2004 found traces of the amino acid glycine, lending credence to idea that there is life elsewhere in the universe. "The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Carl Pilcher, one of the space agency's top astrobiologists. Jamie Elsila, lead author of the report, which was published in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science, said the findings also support the idea that the material elements of human life may have come from space. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts," she said. The group's final findings confirm suspicions that the amino acid -- which creates the proteins that form the building blocks of life -- were not simply earth-sourced contamination. "We discovered that the Stardust-returned glycine has an extraterrestrial carbon isotope signature, indicating that it originated on the comet," said Elsila. Twenty different amino acids are arranged to build the millions of different proteins that make up everything from hair to enzymes, NASA said. http://livenews.com.au/life/glycine-in-wild-2-comet-dust-provides-fresh-evidence-of-life-beyond-earth/2009/8/19/216679 Proof? who knows. Hope everyone is doing good today! Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Famous words
Sounds like Jackie Gleason. Carl, Flintstone Fan Pete wrote: >What a revoltin' development this is! See if anyone remembers who said that one. Everyone saying how they liked "My First Meteorite Presentation" and I have to see it from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. What a revoltin' development this is! One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, pow right in the kisser!... _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor Lights up Michigan Sky 1SEP09
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