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Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek the most expensive or dinary chondrite?
Hi Greg, you're going wrong and wherefrom you came to your distorted image of the meteorite world, is a riddle for me. The nowadays remarkably risen prices for new falls out of Africa have in my opinion other causes than you presume. I'll try to delineate them later this day. (Cause now we have to prepare the premiere of an unique new planetary). Let you be told, that your beloved Mike Farmer brought several new observed falls out at very moderate prices. I remind you to Ourique, the last European fall before the price explosion, which he introduced at a very cheap 10$/g - while all following European falls up to day, realized a multiple of that level and if again an ordinary chondrite will fall in Europe, you can be sure, that it won't be available below 50$ a gram. I remind you, that he established in U.S. the extremely low price level of Dashoguz = Kunya-Urgench of a few single bucks per gram, although the overall availability of that fall was very limited and I remind you, that his Thuathes certainly didn't max out the pain threshold of the collectors. I'm far from defending Farmer, but it disturbs me that in recent times permanently a picture is drawn here on the list of meteorite hunters and dealers being bloodhounds and greedy sharks by people who joined the meteorite scene the shortest while ago and who are still suffering from a lack of experience and insights, and who are excessively profiting from the great work, the meteorite people have performed all the years before. Regards, Martin PS: I think, Farmer should be readmitted to the list again, if he can control his temper. But even more I'd insist that Terry Boudreaux shouldn't be banned any longer. A remarkable collector, one of the greatest and most social committed people I know in the scene, whose only misconduct was to raise his voice a single time against a person, who was allowed to terrorize the list for the following 3 years. That expulsion was highly arbitrary and unreasonably disproportional. We have to counteract the degradation of this list. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg Catterton Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. November 2009 05:18 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek the most expensive ordinary chondrite? Hi to all, I thought I would add my 2 pennies... I would have to disagree, I think the more hunters, the cheaper the material due to more people having material for sale and less chance for a select few friends to set what they all will charge. Look at it this way (its how I do anyway) Compare Carancas... It sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel from the USA to Peru. West... it also sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel to Texas from the USA (many only one or two states away) What costs more? The travel to Texas or Peru? Carancas had a much lower TKW then West (west TKW is more then double), made a crater and had a ton on media not to mention was of much more scientific importance then west due to the circumstances of the fall, crater and events that surrounded it. Thanks to Mike Farmer, the media attention around Carancas doubled. (not really a bad thing, but more a fact - his escape made for great reading and a neat story.) Its my opinion, however unpopular, that new falls are about getting as much profit as possible as fast as possible... I also think inaccurate reports of TW lead to the higher price of West - I still see people clearly stating that only about 3 kilos were recovered when I know of many who walked away with several kilos themselves! Another example of West and meteorite politics (which leads to these high prices)... The same people who were ready to exclude and not allow people to the AZ fall location (and used the excuse we dont want others running in our backyard like they did in west) were actually the same ones doing just that to others backyards at West. I really think that the price is more about who gets there first and who is allowed to hunt the field. Meteorites are competitive and my eyes were opened to just how much so due to recent falls. When I first got into meteorites, I thought it was a pretty open group that welcomed newer members/collectors and future hunters. I quickly found out that not many are willing to help the competition and its basicly dog eat dog. Sure, many are willing to help you build your collection by selling you meteorites, but very few are actually willing to lend/offer first hand teaching and in field experience to those that want to learn from the people that are supposed to be the best. I know my thoughts on this topic are not too popular with some, but I am honestly speaking from what I have seen looking in from the sidelines. Greg C. --- On Tue, 11/3/09, al mitt alm...@kconline.com wrote: From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek the most expensive ordinary chondrite?
Hi Jason and all, Good post Jason and I agree with a great deal of what you said. I should have been a bit more specific when I commented and will here. I am sure there is some fault that people will be able to find and I'll read with interest further comments. Surely details of an interesting fall gets the attention of collectors who want part of the fall. To get to the point, when you have more people hunt a fall, often you get the hunters raising the offers they will pay for the specimens to land owners. Some of this is out of desperation to bring a new fall to the market (what ever happened to getting things classified first) and not getting skunked on your trip. More hunters more competition to buy what is out there or found. A bidding war can ensue and drive the price up dramatically. This happened in Park Forest and I know first hand from the dozen trips I made there. Fewer hunters and the better chance that everyone there will be able to buy pretty much what they want and at a better price. If we have 50 hunters and they only average about 400 grams each, and drive the price they will pay for the material higher then they have to ask more for their limited average amount. Fewer dealers, say 10 hunters for example and a better chance to lower price for material paid, plus more material for each hunter (say four or five times more, then the hunter will be able to charge less to make a good profit and be rewarded for the trouble he or she is going to. I know that hunters will always pursue a fall and we can't regulate who hunts, it's open to anyone but my feeling is that having too many hunters drive costs up in several ways and not just the basic costs of getting there and staying for a while. The saying too many cooks spoil the broth may pertain here. Too many hunters spoil the fall. Perhaps in the future an honor system might be used for falls close to hunters in order to better serve the collecting community. Did I say honor.nah will never work :-) --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]Ash Creek the most expensive ordinary chondrite? Yo, Well, I don't fully agree that Al's suggestion is the reason why West was so expensive, but it may well have been a factor. Greg, you said: Look at it this way (its how I do anyway) Compare Carancas... It sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel from the USA to Peru. West... it also sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel to Texas from the USA (many only one or two states away) What costs more? The travel to Texas or Peru? Well, it costs more when thirty people travel to Texas, stay there for several weeks, (and pay a base price for much of their material) than when five go to Peru, stay for a few days, and buy their rocks for pennies on the dollar. That was his point - which is similar to, but different from what I said earlier - So the finders were looking to make the most of their sales with very limited material: hence, even higher prices. Al goes farther, suggesting that the price of the fall actually has/d a direct correlation with the overall expenses of the hunters. To which I say...no. I mean, maybe to some small extent, but, generally speaking, this principle doesn't apply to meteorites *at all.* Look at the $2-4/g price tag on Thuathe, $20/g price tag on Buzzard Coulee, or the $10/g price tag on Ben Sour. Maybe the prices are lower because the dealers brought back a large amount and are trying to move all of their material, but if I were looking to sell any of my Ash Creek stones, I wouldn't pul out a calculator and plug away at our expenses before giving out a price. I'd look at the material from a tkw, aesthetic, and rarity standpoint, and then judge. And this is where Ash Creek becomes more of an enigma. It seems to me that whenever there's a fall in a nearby place and a larger number of listmembers and personal friends make the trip, prices just...go up. It's not a factor of the cost of the trip - it's a hype factor that surrounds the fall itself. It's there, it's now, they're there, they're finding them *right now.* The market doesn't usually have such a sense of immediacy... Regards, Jason On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi to all, I thought I would add my 2 pennies... I would have to disagree, I think the more hunters, the cheaper the material due to more people having material for sale and less chance for a select few friends to set what they all will charge. Look at it this way (its how I do anyway) Compare Carancas... It sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel from the USA to Peru. West... it also sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel to Texas from the USA (many only one or two states away) What costs
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek the most expensive ordinary chondrite?
Hi Greg and list, I really think that the price is more about who gets there first and who is allowed to hunt the field. Meteorites are competitive and my eyes were opened to just how much so due to recent falls. Please don't take this wrong. If you only knew how much work it is to open up a new strewn field or to find the first piece. Many of the hunters take a chance and their own money and time to bring you new material. What is this worth? What ever price the finder wants to sell it for. If the price is too high don't buy it. Try this, on the next fireball, hop on a plane and check it out for yourself. What is your time worth? Often there is a chance of coming home empty handed. When I first got into meteorites, I thought it was a pretty open group that welcomed newer members/collectors and future hunters. I quickly found out that not many are willing to help the competition and its basicly dog eat dog. Sure, many are willing to help you build your collection by selling you meteorites, but very few are actually willing to lend/offer first hand teaching and in field experience to those that want to learn from the people that are supposed to be the best. When I first heard about meteorites, I called and emailed many of the top hunters with no reply's. So I did the next best thing, started doing my own research on meteorites and hunting techniques. A month later I found my first meteorite. Six months later I had a new strewn field. 2 years later I had found 2 new strewn fields with many finds. Several years later I have been able to find 2 very rare meteorites. This just shows you that you can do it yourself with a little work and perseverance . There are many other great hunters out there including Ruben Garcia, Mike Miller, Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold just to name a few. Of course there are so many others out there that are even members of this list (too many to mention).They have been able to build their own collections from some of their finds. Whats to say you can't accomplish the same thing. Get out there and give it a try! Hopefully I will be able to buy a new find from you some day. Good Luck, Sonny -Original Message- From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek the most expensive ordinary chondrite? Hi to all, I thought I would add my 2 pennies... I would have to disagree, I think the more hunters, the cheaper the material due to more people having material for sale and less chance for a select few friends to set what they all will charge. Look at it this way (its how I do anyway) Compare Carancas... It sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel from the USA to Peru. West... it also sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel to Texas from the USA (many only one or two states away) What costs more? The travel to Texas or Peru? Carancas had a much lower TKW then West (west TKW is more then double), made a crater and had a ton on media not to mention was of much more scientific importance then west due to the circumstances of the fall, crater and events that surrounded it. Thanks to Mike Farmer, the media attention around Carancas doubled. (not really a bad thing, but more a fact - his escape made for great reading and a neat story.) Its my opinion, however unpopular, that new falls are about getting as much profit as possible as fast as possible... I also think inaccurate reports of TW lead to the higher price of West - I still see people clearly stating that only about 3 kilos were recovered when I know of many who walked away with several kilos themselves! Another example of West and meteorite politics (which leads to these high prices)... The same people who were ready to exclude and not allow people to the AZ fall location (and used the excuse we dont want others running in our backyard like they did in west) were actually the same ones doing just that to others backyards at West. I really think that the price is more about who gets there first and who is allowed to hunt the field. Meteorites are competitive and my eyes were opened to just how much so due to recent falls. When I first got into meteorites, I thought it was a pretty open group that welcomed newer members/collectors and future hunters. I quickly found out that not many are willing to help the competition and its basicly dog eat dog. Sure, many are willing to help you build your collection by selling you meteorites, but very few are actually willing to lend/offer first hand teaching and in field experience to those that want to learn from the people that are supposed to be the best. I know my thoughts on this topic are not too popular with some, but I am honestly speaking from what I have seen looking in from the sidelines. Greg C. --- On Tue, 11/3/09, al mitt alm...@kconline.com wrote:
Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek the most expensive ordinary chondrite?
I have to agree with the points that Sonny made on hunting protocol. I couldn't understand the logic of expecting Jack to release the Benson fall co-ordinates after he had done all the leg work. What if he had discovered a gold nugget honey hole on some stream high in the Sierra Mountains? Would he be looked down upon for not telling all the gold hunters where it was? I see no difference. When you are essentially picking money up off the ground it changes everything and rightfully so. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek Prices.
First off, I would like to say I am not whining. I did not make any personal
remarks towards you, and you are totally out of line...
The ONLY remark I made with your name in it was about Carancas and your
experience. Perhaps you took that as negative, it was not. I was offering my
opinions as to what helped push Carancas to the $100 mark.
I made comments that reflect my opinions on this issue, and I understand that
they are not popular with some, but as I said, this is the result of what I
have seen and the impression I have been given by watching some of the
discussions on this list.
The issue concerning you and Steve, while I know nothing about it, did that
need to become public issue? This even, you could have easily sent me an email
off list. Instead you take the oppertunity to publicly flame and insult me.
Over what? My opinions that certain meteorites are overpriced and artificially
inflated?
I understand the costs involved in hunting can be high and I never have
disputed that.
As I said before, I have been into meteorites for all of 3 years. I will be the
first to admit that I dont know all of the details. I am trying to understand
them and the politics involved in meteorites.
I want to ask, is it really good to show the conduct you do to new people
trying to learn? Sure, my opinions may be incorrect, but the actions you just
showed has only reinforced my feelings to a degree.
You could have left out all the personal remarks and been just as effective.
Instead you choose to take shots at me for my feelings... Way to go.
Greg C.
--- On Wed, 11/4/09, meteoritehun...@comcast.net meteoritehun...@comcast.net
wrote:
From: meteoritehun...@comcast.net meteoritehun...@comcast.net
Subject: Ash Creek Prices.
To: meteorite...@gmail.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 9:44 AM
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Geg and Jason,
Greg's whining is out of control.
Ash Creek was perhaps overpriced at $100 per gram for
stones larger than a gram or two. However, you are acting
like every person there came home with pockets full.
Give me a break, most people were lucky to go home with
3 or 4 small stones, 90% under 10 grams.
I am sure you are both smart, so do this, check on
airplane tickets, o say from California to Dallas Texas.
Short notice tickets were expensive, I am sure no one paid
less than $300 to $400.00
I myself, on three trip there, spent more than $1500 on
tickets
Car rentals for me for one month, more than
$1200.00.
Hotel, more than $2000.00
Food I dont count since I eat anywhere.
Not to mention that little thing called my time, more
than 20 days of hunting, time when I could make no other
sales.
THOUSANDS on expenses, I found all of 20 stones. I
walked more than 200 miles (320 km) to find those stone. I
want to keep almost all, so there was about 5 stones I was
willing to sell.
WOW, I guess I should have put $5.00 gram on those
stones an made about $200.00
hmmm, that would not even be worth my time to
package them based on expenses.
Now, take most people who went home with say 5 or 6
stones, perhaps $1200.00 in expenses, and most stones 2 or 3
grams were the norm. Again, not even making expenses back
and we worked our asses off to find those little stones. So
people set the price in the $100 gram range, and buyers paid
it.
Prices have dropped now because collectors have all the
Ash Creek they want apparently. I was in Munich last
week though, and I had no ash creek for sale and was
asked by several people for it.
Greg stop your crying, it is really getting old,
and I am not sure if you have noticed, but a large number of
people have dropped off the list, it has become a pitiful
place full of whining and crying and little else.
Get over yourself.
You want to find the Benson fall, get off your ass, as
we said months ago, get out here and look for it. What do
you want, for me to drive you to the strewnfield and
hold your hand while you search? Should I give you my single
piece I found because you want it?
You are no being resonable or logical. When the
coordinates are published, you are welcome to hunt all you
want.
Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek Prices.
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What is it about Ash Creek that gets people so bent.=A0 I went there and fo=
und one stone in three days.=A0 I must say that being a meteorite dealer so=
unds like a tough business - especially now with the economy.=A0 I can cert=
ainly understand the secrecy since this is some peoples' livelihood and the=
y do invest a lot of money.=A0 I agree with Sonny=2C anyone can go hunt met=
eorites=3B all they need to do is do the research=2C and spend the money an=
d time to travel.=A0 I do it for fun and relaxation=2C and not for profit.=
=A0 I guess with all this - the demand for Ash Creek will continue to climb=
.
Greg S.=A0=20
Date: Wed=2C 4 Nov 2009 10:11:19 -0800
From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
To: meteoritehun...@comcast.net
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek Prices.
First off=2C I would like to say I am not whining. I did not make any per=
sonal remarks towards you=2C and you are totally out of line...
The ONLY remark I made with your name in it was about Carancas and your e=
xperience. Perhaps you took that as negative=2C it was not. I was offering =
my opinions as to what helped push Carancas to the $100 mark.
I made comments that reflect my opinions on this issue=2C and I understan=
d that they are not popular with some=2C but as I said=2C this is the resul=
t of what I have seen and the impression I have been given by watching some=
of the discussions on this list.
The issue concerning you and Steve=2C while I know nothing about it=2C di=
d that need to become public issue? This even=2C you could have easily sent=
me an email off list. Instead you take the oppertunity to publicly flame a=
nd insult me. Over what? My opinions that certain meteorites are overpriced=
and artificially inflated?
I understand the costs involved in hunting can be high and I never have d=
isputed that.
As I said before=2C I have been into meteorites for all of 3 years. I wil=
l be the first to admit that I dont know all of the details. I am trying to=
understand them and the politics involved in meteorites.
I want to ask=2C is it really good to show the conduct you do to new peop=
le trying to learn? Sure=2C my opinions may be incorrect=2C but the actions=
you just showed has only reinforced my feelings to a degree.
You could have left out all the personal remarks and been just as effecti=
ve. Instead you choose to take shots at me for my feelings... Way to go.
Greg C.
--- On Wed=2C 11/4/09=2C meteoritehun...@comcast.net wrote:
From: meteoritehun...@comcast.net=20
Subject: Ash Creek Prices.
To: meteorite...@gmail.com
Cc: meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.com=2c star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday=2C November 4=2C 2009=2C 9:44 AM
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Geg and Jason=2C
Greg's whining is out of control.
Ash Creek was perhaps overpriced at $100 per gram for
stones larger than a gram or two. However=2C you are acting
like every person there came home with pockets full.
Give me a break=2C most people were lucky to go home with
3 or 4 small stones=2C 90% under 10 grams.
I am sure you are both smart=2C so do this=2C check on
airplane tickets=2C o say from California to Dallas Texas.
Short notice tickets were expensive=2C I am sure no one paid
less than $300 to $400.00
I myself=2C on three trip there=2C spent more than $1500 on
tickets
Car rentals for me for one month=2C more than
$1200.00.
Hotel=2C more than $2000.00
Food I dont count since I eat anywhere.
Not to mention that little thing called my time=2C more
than 20 days of hunting=2C time when I could make no other
sales.
THOUSANDS on expenses=2C I found all of 20 stones. I
walked more than 200 miles (320 km) to find those stone. I
want to keep almost all=2C so there was about 5 stones I was
willing to sell.
WOW=2C I guess I should have put $5.00 gram on those
stones an made about $200.00
hmmm=2C that would not even be worth my time to
package them based on expenses.
Now=2C take most people who went home with say 5 or 6
stones=2C perhaps $1200.00 in expenses=2C and most stones 2 or 3
grams were the norm. Again=2C not even making expenses back
and we worked our asses off to find those little stones. So
people set the price in the $100 gram range=2C and buyers paid
it.
Prices have dropped now because collectors have all the
Ash Creek they want apparently. I was in Munich last
week though=2C and I had no ash creek for sale and was
asked by several people for it.
Greg stop your crying=2C it is really getting old=2C
and I am not sure if you have noticed=2C but a large number of
people have dropped off the list=2C it has become a pitiful
place full of whining and crying and little else.
Get over yourself.
You want to find
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[meteorite-list] Messenger spies iron on Mercury
List: Greg S. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8342000.stm Mercury is even more of an iron planet than scientists had previously supposed. Richer concentrations of iron and titanium have been seen on Mercury's surface by Nasa's Messenger probe. Previous Earth and spacecraft-based observations had detected only very low amounts of iron in the silicate minerals covering the innermost world. Because of its immense density, scientists have already assumed much of Mercury's interior contains iron. Messenger sees the surface iron bound up in oxides with titanium. The mission's principal investigator, Sean Solomon, said the new observations would keep theoreticians busy. PLANET MERCURY Enhanced-colour view of volcanic region Closest planet to the Sun; smallest in Solar System Visited by Mariner 10 in 1970s; by Messenger currently Diameter: 4,880km, about one-third the size of Earth Second densest planet in Solar System; 5.3x that of water Caloris basin is largest known feature (1,300km in diameter) Possibility of water-ice in permanently shadowed craters Huge iron core takes up more than 60% of the planet's mass Surface temperatures swing between 425C and -180C Has an extremely thin atmosphere (exosphere) Only inner planet besides Earth with global magnetic field QA: Mercury space probe The iron is in a form that we don't normally encounter in other planetary situations and so it's going be a volley back to our geochemists and petrologists to come up with a scenario that's consistent with everything we are measuring now at Mercury, he told reporters. Theories on how the planet formed would also have to take the information into account, he added. Some of these propose that Mercury is predominantly the remnant core of a body which lost its outer layers in a mighty collision early in its history. The new data was returned on Messenger's third and final flyby of the planet in September. The pass, just 228km from the surface, was intended as a brake manoeuvre, using planet's gravity to help slow the spacecraft enough to enable it to enter into orbit in 2011. The spacecraft acquired only about half the data it was expected to because of a power hiccup just before closest approach. Nonetheless, Messenger's cameras and instruments collected many high-resolution and colour images, unveiling another 6% of the planet's surface never before seen up-close. Messenger has now viewed about 98% of the surface at various resolutions. New features observed in the pass include a region with a bright area surrounding an irregular depression, suspected to be volcanic in origin. Messenger (Nasa/JHU/APL) Messenger is on course to enter into orbit in March 2011 It also spied a very young double-ring impact basin approximately 290-km across. However, to a planetary geologist, 'young' is a billion years or so. But compared to most of the basins on Mercury, those are three billion years older that. So in a relative sense it is very geologically young, explained Brett Denevi, a member of the probe's imaging team from Arizona State University in Tempe. The low numbers of superposed impact craters and marked differences in colour across the basin suggest that the smooth area within the innermost ring may be the site of some of the most recent volcanism on Mercury, she added. Messenger also made new measurements of Mercury's atmosphere, the extremely tenuous cloud of atoms which is lifted off the surface by solar activity and micro-meteorite impacts. jonathan.amos-inter...@bbc.co.uk _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Questions / photos
Fellow collectors, I am wondering if others have noticed this and Have concerns as do I: I have noted two recent trends with eBay (at least regarding meteorites, which are 99 % of my eBay interest) 1: Up until very recently a perspective bidder could send a question To the seller regarding the piece. NOW, there is an IMPLICATION You can ask a question, but, in fact, there is just a list of stock answers In a few categories upon which you may click 2: Up until recently one could download (a) photo(s) of what one was Buying. Now, about 95% of the time one cannot. (It seams curiously Inconsistent that in a very small minority of cases one still can) Do other list members have concerns about this shift in eBay? RSVP to list, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Questions / photos
Hey, hope this will help some... 1. questions tab - You have to scroll all the way down to see the ask question tab, its there, but skillfully buried at the bottom of the page where most people think it has vanished. I can help on the picture thing other then comment I have been having issues uploading pics to ebay. Ebay is changing a good deal of policies and is full of glitches right now. I am a top rated seller, everything say it, yet ebays system seems to be leaving out many members who qualify. I have been told techs are trying to fix it. I am a TRS but dont have the badge or search results that I should by having it. Add to that, there is a tab under advanced search that excludes everyone but top rated sellers. --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Questions / photos To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 2:32 PM Fellow collectors, I am wondering if others have noticed this and Have concerns as do I: I have noted two recent trends with eBay (at least regarding meteorites, which are 99 % of my eBay interest) 1: Up until very recently a perspective bidder could send a question To the seller regarding the piece. NOW, there is an IMPLICATION You can ask a question, but, in fact, there is just a list of stock answers In a few categories upon which you may click 2: Up until recently one could download (a) photo(s) of what one was Buying. Now, about 95% of the time one cannot. (It seams curiously Inconsistent that in a very small minority of cases one still can) Do other list members have concerns about this shift in eBay? RSVP to list, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men 6 More Episodes
Looks like they got 6 more shows: http://www.worldscreen.com/articles/display/23118 Science Channel Commissions More Meteorite Men By Kristin Brzoznowski Published: October 29, 2009 SILVER SPRING: Science Channel has commissioned LMNO Cable Group for six further episodes of Meteorite Men, which chronicles modern-day treasure hunters Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold as they traverse North America in search of lost pieces of our universe. Slated to debut January, 20, 2010, Meteorite Men watches as the duo use cutting-edge technology to detect remnants of meteorites and space debris. For the new season, Notkin and Arnold are looking to find answers to The Tucson Ring Mystery, an anomaly of the meteorite world. The pair head to Odessa, Texas, to explore a 65,000 year-old meteor buried deep in the ground, and scour West Texas for tiny pieces of the Ash Creek meteorite. Meteorite Men uniquely combines adventure with science, said Debbie Myers, Science Channel's general manager. Steve and Geoff are helping us learn more about the universe by bridging the gap between the earth sciences and their passion for finding and studying meteorites. There have been many reality television shows that have attempted to search for 'visitors' from outer space, added Eric Schotz, the show's executive producer. With our new series, we are actually finding them. It is very exciting to follow Steve and Geoff as they gather objects from space that can answer all sorts of incredible questions about our past as well as our future. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men 6 More Episodes
List: Can any of these shows be seen on an internet based site? I do not get the Science Channel. Greg S. From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:01:27 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men 6 More Episodes Looks like they got 6 more shows: http://www.worldscreen.com/articles/display/23118 Science Channel Commissions More Meteorite Men By Kristin Brzoznowski Published: October 29, 2009 SILVER SPRING: Science Channel has commissioned LMNO Cable Group for six further episodes of Meteorite Men, which chronicles modern-day treasure hunters Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold as they traverse North America in search of lost pieces of our universe. Slated to debut January, 20, 2010, Meteorite Men watches as the duo use cutting-edge technology to detect remnants of meteorites and space debris. For the new season, Notkin and Arnold are looking to find answers to The Tucson Ring Mystery, an anomaly of the meteorite world. The pair head to Odessa, Texas, to explore a 65,000 year-old meteor buried deep in the ground, and scour West Texas for tiny pieces of the Ash Creek meteorite. Meteorite Men uniquely combines adventure with science, said Debbie Myers, Science Channel's general manager. Steve and Geoff are helping us learn more about the universe by bridging the gap between the earth sciences and their passion for finding and studying meteorites. There have been many reality television shows that have attempted to search for 'visitors' from outer space, added Eric Schotz, the show's executive producer. With our new series, we are actually finding them. It is very exciting to follow Steve and Geoff as they gather objects from space that can answer all sorts of incredible questions about our past as well as our future. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MFESRPpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Questions / photos
Aloha Michael, listees, Fellow collectors, I am wondering if others have noticed this and Have concerns as do I: I have noted two recent trends with eBay (at least regarding meteorites, which are 99 % of my eBay interest) 1: Up until very recently a perspective bidder could send a question To the seller regarding the piece. NOW, there is an IMPLICATION You can ask a question, but, in fact, there is just a list of stock answers In a few categories upon which you may click I believe there are a list of stock questions the prospective buyer can choose from (General question about the item is usually the one people will select), after which a text field is offered to input a specific question. 2: Up until recently one could download (a) photo(s) of what one was Buying. Now, about 95% of the time one cannot. (It seams curiously Inconsistent that in a very small minority of cases one still can) I can download images if they are embedded in the text body on the ebay auction item page, by dragging them off the page and onto my desktop, for example). If the pictures are obtained by clicking on the thumbnail on the upper left portion of the ebay auction item page, to bring up another window that displays just the pictures, along with with thumbnails of additional images - then these images cannot be dragged and dropped or downloaded. I use a screen capture tool to be able to acquire those pictures. gary Do other list members have concerns about this shift in eBay? RSVP to list, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks.
A little fun response to all the gripes about prices and hunting... (no offense to anyone of course) http://www.meteoritesusa.com/fun/rocks.wav Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/fun/rocks.wav Hmm, ... have been listening to it quite a few times but can't hear the aren't :-( All I can hear is an are :-) Is it only me? Well, maybe I need a pair of new ears ;-) Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Questions / photos
2: Up until recently one could download (a) photo(s) of what one was Buying. Now, about 95% of the time one cannot. (It seams curiously Inconsistent that in a very small minority of cases one still can) to tell the truth, with a little persistance, I've been able to copy most photos posted on ebay. What I often do is either Select All or just highlight the photo. then Paste onto the body of a message. Then double left click on the photo itself. This brings up the photo in a box where several things of me is asked. the one I click is Save a Copy. A box comes up where I can give the file a name. I do that and click save. the photo is now in my Pictures file. Sometimes I need to spruce the photo up and I then find it in my Corel Photo Enhancing program. I do the necessary enhancing and its all done. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks
That's weird, maybe it's the player. It's a .wav file and should play in almost all browsers players without a problem. What media player do you have installed? Regards, Eric bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/fun/rocks.wav Hmm, ... have been listening to it quite a few times but can't hear the aren't :-( All I can hear is an are :-) Is it only me? Well, maybe I need a pair of new ears ;-) Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks
What media player do you have installed? = Windows Media Player Cheers, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sometimes there just ont enough rocks
Yep, sometimes der jes ONT 'nuff. ;^) I jes got me suma dat der Peekskill rock. Kewl. Der ain't mucha dat n 'round. Linton - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks That's weird, maybe it's the player. It's a .wav file and should play in almost all browsers players without a problem. What media player do you have installed? Regards, Eric bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/fun/rocks.wav Hmm, ... have been listening to it quite a few times but can't hear the aren't :-( All I can hear is an are :-) Is it only me? Well, maybe I need a pair of new ears ;-) Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 3, 2009
What a wonderful kaleidoscope John -- From: Michael Johnson rocksfromsp...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 3,2009 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_3_2009.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek Prices.
Michael, Frankly, I'm insulted by your crassness and apparent lack of knowledge about practically everything I wrote - or at least, your negligence in addressing it in your email paired with the other things you said seems to say as much. You sent and addressed that message to me, and yet it really does not address any of my points; yes, collectors went there, and yes, many came away with little or no material. The average weight of the stones found, as tabulated, was 39.8 grams; as such, I believe your estimate of 90% of the stones found weighing less than 10g is quite simply false. True, fewer larger stones were found, but many were found in the 20-30 gram range; in fact, stones between 10-20g compose the majority of the stones found. That said, well - I'll go through your email thoroughly. Greg's whining is out of control. Uncalled for. He really didn't say a word about you - his ideas may not have been right, but if you start talking to people like that, you're not going to have very many friends. Ash Creek was perhaps overpriced at $100 per gram for stones larger than a gram or two. However, you are acting like every person there came home with pockets full. It's an ordinary chondrite - a pretty fall, admittedly, but why would you say it should have cost five times the going price of Park Forest? Again, you're not addressing the entire gist of the thread. I never once complained about the high prices. It was a thread composed by people hypothesizing why in fact the prices were so high. Since they are. And you can't really argue with that. Give me a break, most people were lucky to go home with 3 or 4 small stones, 90% under 10 grams. According to the list of finds tabulated and posted to the list, no, that is not true. Many people did go home with that many stones, but more than half of the hunters at least one find above 60 grams. See the March 24th post to the list regarding a tabulation of West finds to that date. At any rate, more than 2/3 of the people who participated had found more than fifty grams of material overall, but the fact that more than half had a stone above sixty grams pretty much flies in the face of what you just said. I am sure you are both smart, so do this, check on airplane tickets, o say from California to Dallas Texas. Short notice tickets were expensive, I am sure no one paid less than $300 to $400.00 Yeah, I think we paid $700 each, roundtrip - booked the night before. I myself, on three trip there, spent more than $1500 on tickets Pretty much what we paid. Car rentals for me for one month, more than $1200.00. Well, we were only there for a week - our cost was a few hundred dollars, so you beat us there. Hotel, more than $2000.00 Well, if you lived there for a month, I guess that would run up - so you're beating our cost by about $3,000, with a total cost of $4,700. Food I dont count since I eat anywhere. So no additional cost there on top of living expenses. Not to mention that little thing called my time, more than 20 days of hunting, time when I could make no other sales. I don't know what that would add up to, but - pretty much irrelevant - see below. THOUSANDS on expenses, I found all of 20 stones. I walked more than 200 miles (320 km) to find those stone. I want to keep almost all, so there was about 5 stones I was willing to sell. Right - we estimate that we walked 15-20 miles per day every day for I think five or six days - I can't recall the first and last dates clearly now. At least ~100 miles, at any rate - no different than if we'd spent a week in the local Mojave. I don't know what your base expenses were - I suppose $50/day on Enders' farm and $1/g on finds - plus whatever else you paid people. WOW, I guess I should have put $5.00 gram on those stones an made about $200.00 See, this is where I get confused. Whenever anyone questions the price of West, I always see this kind of a response. Even if you spent all thirty days on Ender's farm, it would amount to a mere $1,500 in cost to you - trivial in comparison to the amount of material you walked away with given the price per gram that you're suggesting. Again, see below. hmmm, that would not even be worth my time to package them based on expenses. Well, yeah. $200.00...but I'm not one to pull numbers out of my ass. See below. Now, take most people who went home with say 5 or 6 stones, perhaps $1200.00 in expenses, and most stones 2 or 3 grams were the norm. Either they didn't participate in the list survey or your numbers are simply wrong. Again, not even making expenses back and we worked our asses off to find those little stones. So people set the price in the $100 gram range, and buyers paid it. Most of the people you're talking about would have been collectors, not dealers. Looking at that list from March 24th, most dealers netted at least a few hundred grams. Prices have dropped now because collectors have all the Ash Creek they
Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek Prices.
Michael, You wrote my name at the top of your post; it wasn't the accident of a reply-function that put me there. True, I didn't weight the averages, but take a look at the March 24th post; most of the stones *were* between ten and twenty grams. And all of the other numbers I stated - that the majority of finders came away with a stone 60g or larger, and that more than 2/3 of hunters came back with ~50g grams or more - that's all true. My average might not represent the weighted average weight of the stones, but your replies - that most hunters came away with a gram or two, and that most stones found weighed a gram or two are also not entirely true. While many of the stones found were in that range, the majority were 10-15g+. For your information, Greg has been pounding me and Jack for months about Arizona, this is what this is about. Ok...then next time please don't involve me by writing my name at the top of the page... Your data on Ash Creek is very wrong though, you are simply adding up the total weight and dividing it among known stones for an average weight, totally unscientific. Yes and no - see above. Three large stones weighed neary 40% of the mass recovered. I know most hunters found one or two over 20 grams, but most were less than 10 grams. That only effects the weighted average of the weights - not the other things I said - again, addressed above. Anyway, Jason, why dont you search for stones I sold, NEVER one gram on ebay, I sold two stones to collectors, both stone in the 5 gram or less range. The rest I kept or traded to ASU at a $30 gram trade rate (fair price in my view and theirs as they were happy). That does sound fair, but then I fail to see why you wrote a post seeming to defend the $100/g price tag *especially* when you yourself saw this as unreasonable and donated many of your finds for $30/g. I still see that price as high, by the way - compare to Park Forest, which sells in the $20-25/g range nowadays. I sold the large stone for not far above $10 gram. Fair price. so the argument about $100 gram is moot on my part anyway, as I never participated in those sales. Again, I used those numbers because you criticized Greg's note saying that prices were unreasonable. And they were. At $100/g, I would have made $19,000 if I sold my stones. Not bad for a week's walking around. Of course, that would only be a profit of $17,000 or so, but still. Which really begs the question - based on what you're saying now, you should have no beef with Greg whatsoever over what he was saying about the price range on West. He wasn't asking for $5/g - in my opinion (and, from what I gathered, this was his opinion as well), if the stones sold in the $20-30/g range, prices would actually be *fair.* I wouldn't call them good prices, and I personally wouldn't buy them at that price, but I think that's what he was getting at. The older prices for West ($60-100/g) simply don't make sense. Again, I find it hard to find a flaw in this statement given the fact that expenses for Park Forest were undoubtedly higher, the fall was much more interesting (so many hammers, an urban fall!), and...the tkw's aren't *that* far apart. It's the only fall I can really relate West to, as it's the only sizable American fall from which any number of stones was made available to collectors in the past decade or so. Please dont even think about making these kind of profit statements, as they are so far off they aren't even funny. You seem(ed) to be defending the $100/g price tag, so I used it. Don't blame me. The buyer of the mass is on this list, he can contact you should he desire to confirm my price. Don't really care - as I said, that wasn't my point in the first place. I have to go back and look at the books but in all honesty, I cleared about $3000 after expenses on Ash Creek and have a nice little pile of stones on the side. Again, don't care. Wasn't the point of my email. Not quite the mega numbers you are putting in your email. Mhm. But now you seem to be advocating the $30/g price tag, or thereabouts, so I've really nothing to say - from my perspective, you've done a 180. Either way, this argument still comes down to one simple fact I am trying to get through to Greg, if you dont like the price, don't pay it. That's not what you said at all. Go have a look at the email - if that's what you were trying to say, you didn't accomplish it, and you made it a pretty mean email on top of that. Just don't keep crying neary a year later. I assume you're talking to him, not me. And the language, again - you're asking for people to take offense. This is the sort of thing my older brother would say to me to goad me into fighting - 'you're such a crybaby' and all of that rubbish. I have two things to say to this: 1) You're sending an email out to 900 people. Saying stuff like that so that everyone can see it is...kind of embarrassing. 2) It just doesn't belong. If you
[meteorite-list] sharing some pictures of little [suspect] irons
Hi List, Thought some of you might like to see some more pictures of my little suspect irons that I have been trying to get cleaned up. It is a slow process. Here is a few of them. This little guy has what appears to be flow lines running down to the point, wouldn't you say? It took some long soaks in naval jelly to get it looking this clean. It's amazing what you can find when you get the crud off of them. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_1118.jpg The next two pictures are of the same piece. I'm kind of glad I found this one with the magnet rake and not my bicycle tire. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_1112.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_1113.jpg This is one of the weirdest pieces I have found. It is a shell of iron filled with what appears to be chondritic material. It reminds me of a three-minute egg with the top taken off. I believe I have at least three pieces like this. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_1114.jpg I like how this one has a little finger on the one side, and how as it cooled it kept what looks like flowing metal. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_1115.jpg Here are the two I have been trying to get the calcium cover off of. One on left is 80% cleaned and the one on the right is just starting to show through. I'm using CLR. Slow process but it works. First time these two pieces have seen the light of day for probably a long time. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_1119.jpg Mike in CO __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cryptic AZ fall?
What is the official name of the meteorite that fell in southern Arizona this summer? Heard it was Benson from someone. Everybody was looking for that one, but it's been quiet since Jack Schrader posted his announcement. This is probably because of all the other distractions. Stone number one was recovered by Schrader, a meteorite hunter, less than 45 hours after the fall. That's a first, at least here in the United States. Only European meteorite hunter Thomas Grau, I think, has triangulated and personally recovered the first stone from a fall before Schrader? Not nearly as quickly as Schrader found his piece, but almost improbable to believe this could happen twice in the same year and never before! Everyone out in the southwest hunted for the meteorite, but presumably no one else found a piece. Memory tells me that Schrader was very concerned with doing good field science around this fall - with documenting the event and mapping the strewn field? Only a few hunters were brought into his recovery project. Unusually enough, virtually nothing has been said publicly about this new Arizona fall. Not until today, anyway. This is the first step towards formally introducing the meteorite to the public. Arizona's second-ever witnessed fall. It has been a real honor to have documented the event and recovery for Schrader. Now, whether you realize it or not, the meteorite's name is staring right at you. Shouldn't take long.so, who's going to be the first to figure it out? Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek Prices.
Hmm Jason, I just returned from Munich show. The halls were full of thousands of precious and semi-precious stones, all of them mined by the tonnes a year - and most of them priced higher per weight than any Ash Creek or any Lunar. Can't follow that debate, we slowly should get aware, how amazingly rare meteorites are and how amazingly cheap most of them still are. If you think, Ash Creek is overpriced - don't buy it. Buy the perfect individuals of the dozen of Maghreb falls at 2-4$. Cause that opportunity, if I remember right, you had only twice or so in history. With Allende the years after the fall and perhaps with luck with the early Juanchengs. (Only Alfianello was so cheap in the 1890ies and maybe Jilin, but these didn't yield small individuals - o.k. I don't know, at which rates fall-fresh Gaos were going in the 1960ies). Cheers! Martin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cryptic AZ fall?
Hello List- Great post Dave. With all this talk of the West fall, I am surprised at the lack of interest in the AZ fall. There has been much less recovered and the tale of Jack's recovery effort provides an equally (if not moreso) interesting story. Further, I have not seen any of this new fall offered publicly. Good fortune allowed me to get a few smaller pieces. I am curious how its value compares to West. Cheers, Bob Holmes On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com wrote: What is the official name of the meteorite that fell in southern Arizona this summer? Heard it was Benson from someone. Everybody was looking for that one, but it's been quiet since Jack Schrader posted his announcement. This is probably because of all the other distractions. Stone number one was recovered by Schrader, a meteorite hunter, less than 45 hours after the fall. That's a first, at least here in the United States. Only European meteorite hunter Thomas Grau, I think, has triangulated and personally recovered the first stone from a fall before Schrader? Not nearly as quickly as Schrader found his piece, but almost improbable to believe this could happen twice in the same year and never before! Everyone out in the southwest hunted for the meteorite, but presumably no one else found a piece. Memory tells me that Schrader was very concerned with doing good field science around this fall - with documenting the event and mapping the strewn field? Only a few hunters were brought into his recovery project. Unusually enough, virtually nothing has been said publicly about this new Arizona fall. Not until today, anyway. This is the first step towards formally introducing the meteorite to the public. Arizona's second-ever witnessed fall. It has been a real honor to have documented the event and recovery for Schrader. Now, whether you realize it or not, the meteorite's name is staring right at you. Shouldn't take long.so, who's going to be the first to figure it out? Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
