[meteorite-list] Munich 2009 - photos :)

[Marcin Cimala]

Hello list
I really forgot to publish my photos from Munich.
Show was fine, but meteorites, my god, I never saw less material than this 
year. Usually moroccans show from "under the table" special achondrites and 
more expensive specimens. This year they show only cool looking basalt and 
earth rocks.


photos on my page http://www.PolandMET.com

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
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[meteorite-list] Looking for chondrite

[Tomasz Jakubowski]

Dear List Members.
I am looking for bigger NWA chondrite to my collection (size 5 - 15 kg).
Offers please send to my address illae...@gmail.com


Kind Regards
Tomasz Jakubowski
IMCA #2321


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[meteorite-list] (no subject)

[oxytropidoceras]

The current issue, September 2009, issue of 
Utah Geological Survey has a short popular article 
about the Upheaval Dom in it: It is:

Case, William, 2009, Geosights, Utah's Belly Button,
Upheaval Dome. Utah Geological Survey Notes. 
vol. 41, no. 3, p. 11.

PDF file of September 2009 issue at:
http://geology.utah.gov/surveynotes/snt41-3.pdf
and linked at http://geology.utah.gov/surveynotes/

An earlier issues, September 2008, of the Utah 
Geological Survey Notes has an article about 
exhumed paleochannels in the Morrison and Cedar 
Mountain formations that are terrestrial analogues
of exhumed paleochannels seen on satellite images of 
Mars. The article discussing these paleochannels is:

Chidsey, T. C., R. M. E. Williams, and D. E. Eby, 2008, 
Ancient Exhumed River Channels of the Morrison and 
Cedar Mountain Formations—Analogs for Eastern 
Utah Oil and Gas Fields and Features on Mars Too! 
Utah Geological Survey Notes. Vol. 40, no. 3, PP. 1-4.

PDF file of September 2008 issue at:
http://geology.utah.gov/surveynotes/snt40-3.pdf
and linked at http://geology.utah.gov/surveynotes/#recent

A related PDF file is:

Okubo, C. H., and R. A. Schultz, 2007, Compactional 
deformation bands in Wingate Sandstone; Additional 
evidence of an impact origin for Upheaval Dome, Utah. 
Earth and Planetary Science Letters. vol. 256, pp. 169-181, 
doi:10.1016/j.epsl.2007.01.024.
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~chriso/pubs/okubo.schultz.2007.pdf
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~chriso/publications.html

A related PDF file is:

Williams, R. E. M., T. C. Chidsey, Jr., and D. E. Eby, 2007,
Exhumed Paleochannels in Central Utah–Analogs for 
Raised Curvilinear Features on Mars. in G. C. Willis, 
M. D. Hylland, D. L. Clark, and T. C. Chidsey, eds., Central 
Utah–Diverse Geology of a Dynamic Landscape. Utah 
Geological Association Publication no. 26. Salt Lake 
City, Utah. 
http://www.psi.edu/reports/2007/williamspics/Williams07_UGA36.pdf

More recently there is:

Burr, D. M., M.-T. Enga, R. M. E. Williams, J. R. Zimbelman, 
A. D. Howard, and T. A. Brennand, 2009, Pervasive aqueous 
paleoflow features in the Aeolis/Zephyria Plana region, Mars.
Icarus, vol. 200, pp. 52–76
http://www.sfu.ca/paleoglaciology/pubs_files/Burretal_09_SinuousRidges_Mars_Icarus.pdf

Newsom, H. E., N. L. Lanzaa, A. M. Ollilaa, S. M. Wisemanb, 
Ted L. Roushc, G. A. Marzod, L. L. Tornabenee, C. H. Okubof, 
M. M. Osterloog, V. V. E. Hamiltonh and L. S. Crumpleri, in
press, Inverted channel deposits on the floor of Miyamoto 
crater, Mars. Icarus. doi:10.1016/j.icarus.2009.03.030
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.icarus.2009.03.030

Pain, C. F., J. D. A. Clarke, and M. Thomas, 2007, Inversion 
of Relief as a Geomorphic Process on Mars and its 
Relevance to Landing Site Selection. in Two Planets - 
One Future. Mars Society Australia, Inc.
http://www.marssociety.org.au/amec2007/proceedings/AMEC2007_Pain_etal.PDF
http://www.marssociety.org.au/amec2007/proceedings/TOC.php

1. Featured images for May 2008: Inverted Paleochannels 
on Earth and Mars.
http://www.psi.edu/pgwg/images/may08image.html

2. Rebecca M.E. Williams 2008 Annual Research Report
http://www.psi.edu/reports/2008/williams08.html

The Utah inverted paleochannels can be seen readily on 
Google Earth. The coordinates for one prominent set of 
them is:

38°52'32.42"N, 110°16'15.38"W

Yours,

Paul h.
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[meteorite-list] A shorter history of the crustal shift nonsense, Niburu, and wandering planets

[E.P. Grondine]

Hello everyone -

Thought I'd share these notes with you, as some of you may be asked about this 
nonsense from time to time. Those of you in need of the information may want to 
hold on to it for future reference. Others of you will simply want to delete 
it, as while it is close to impact studies, it is far from meteoritics.

As near as I know, a crustal shift has never happened, and can't, as the forces 
required are so large that the Earth would fragment. There is no wandering 
planet Niburu, nor have any of the planets changed their orbits.

The source for all of this nonsense seems to have been:

JOHANN RADLOF 1823
Who was a classical scholar who first came up with this nonsense. 
Phaethon=Planet X. (I received this information from Leroy Ellenberger, the 
work is that of Marinus Anthony van der Sluijs: 
http://www.mythopedia.info/radlof.htm.)

Radlof's theory, embodied in a thin booklet printed in Gothic letters and 
published in 1823, essentially boils down to four strands of theory, all of 
which recur throughout the entire subsequent history of catastrophism.

The FIRST IDEA was that of the exploded planet: in 1802, Olbers had proposed 
that the recently discovered bodies Ceres, Pallas, Juno, and Vesta in the 
asteroid belt must have been the last remnants of a former giant planet that 
once orbited between Mars and Jupiter.

In this source planet, Radlof saw the original referent of the myths of 
Phaethon, Isaiah's 'morning star', Typhon, and others. [DATES SERIOUSLY WRONG.] 
The link with Phaethon was justified by reference to the following passage from 
Nonnus, in which Hermes addressed Phaethon as follows:

"Then you will shine in the sky like the Sun God next to Ares,
scattering that thick invisible darkness far away;
a miracle unheard of in the course of the ages"

If Phaethon really stood "next to Ares", Radlof naively argued, he could have 
been the missing planet, that formerly revolved between Mars and Jupiter.

THE SECOND COMPONENT of Radlof's theory, the mythical death of both Phaethon 
and Typhon at the hands of Zeus was then interpreted as
the disruption of the former planet. In keeping with Nonnus' statement that 
Zeus discharged a comet towards Typhon, Radlof supposed that THE FORMER PLANET 
'PHAETHON' SPLINTERED TO PIECES AFTER COLLISION WITH A COMET:

"Perhaps this displacement happened as the result of a collision with what used 
to be called a dragon star or a comet"

Unperturbed by Nonnus' late date, Radlof then complained that Nonnus ought to 
have given more attention to the comet than he actually did:

"The moving power of that enormous water mountain that rose from the sea and 
moved forth over the Earth is obviously Jupiter's comet, and it is actually 
surprising that our poet allows him only a marginal role"

The THIRD ELEMENT of Radlof's theory is that the planets were on different 
orbits than today. Radlof uniquely speculated that THE PLANET VENUS WAS ONE OF 
THE FRAGMENTS OF THE EXPLODED PLANET, that settled into its present orbit in 
the immediate aftermath of the explosion, after some close encounters with 
Mars. These views were motivated by the desire to accommodate Varro's statement 
regarding Venus' changed appearance and possibly also Phaethon's links to 
Venus. In defence of the view that Venus had once been a constituent of a 
bigger planet, Radlof pointed to Venus' 'tiny size'. His bold ideas about the 
origins of Venus qualify Radlof as possibly the first modern 'planetary 
catastrophist' on record.

The explosion of the planet 'Phaethon' would also have had repercussions for 
our own planet. The FOURTH ELEMENT in Radlof's theory was THE TILTING OF THE 
ROTATIONAL AXIS OF THE EARTH, that had originally pointed towards the zenith:

"And the Aethiopians may indeed really have turned black on that occasion, 
because the hot zone ran over their heads when the Earth axis was disrupted by 
that event."

The tilted position of the Earth's axis with respect to its poles had already 
led old-Greek researchers to assume that our earthly star had been hurled from 
its former, straight position by some external body; in fact, Anaxagoras taught 
that the stars had originally revolved straight in the celestial firmament, so 
that the pole stood exactly on top of the zenith of the earth. The Earth's 
point of gravity must have been disrupted by the collisions of the two 
disturbed heavenly bodies Hesperus and Phaethon, and especially by the former's 
change of orbit and all subsequent radical changes in the internal equilibrium 
equations of the planets in our solar realm, and its former position with 
respect to the pole had to be altered twice.

FOR THE CONNECTION OF THE TILTING OF THE AXIS TO THE MYTH OF PHAETHON, RADLOF 
RELIED ON TWO ANCIENT PASSAGES IN WHICH PHAETHON'S FIRE DISTURBED ATLAS, 
STANDING AT THE POLE OF HEAVEN. THE
PASSAGES IN CASE CAME FROM OVID, FALSELY IDENTIFIED AS HESIOD, AND NONNUS:

"The fire already threatens the pole of heaven
And Atlas can ha

Re: [meteorite-list] Utah, Wyoming, Idaho Bolide 18NOV09

[Darren Garrison]

A video compling multiple videos:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/22/midwest-megameteor-makes-media-madness/#comments
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[meteorite-list] Utah Bolide videos

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi - 

This list of videos is from the MPML mailing list. I can't remember if they 
were posted to the meteorite list. 

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

Re: Bolide 07:07:45 UT
Posted by: "tak102pme" dong...@roadrunner.com   tak102pme
Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:47 am (PST)

Try these Alan.

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=mXWRYUs_ u5s&NR=1

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=C-CAbDHJGKI& NR=1

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=LgLNrTYrEnY

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=hJFejgd9bSE& feature=related

don


  
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[meteorite-list] One can't be right all the time : )

[Michael Murray]

Hello List,
By following some of my home do-it-yourself'er rule of thumb tests, I  
thought for a while this piece of metal might be a meteorite.  It was  
heavily coated with rust or mineral coating.  I put it in CLR for a  
few days and here is what I found:








Its what appears to be the end of a 3/8" bolt or it's near equivalent  
in metric size.  To my eye, it has some of the same surface features  
as one might expect to find on a small iron meteorite.  It sure threw  
me, I first thought it might be an iron meteorite, at least until I  
got it cleaned up and saw the remanent threads.


Mike in CO

ps, For fun... What do you see in this picture, a honeycomb with holes  
or bumps?  Look at it for a bit, then scroll down so it is out of  
sight and then scroll back up to see it again.  Any difference?


 
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[meteorite-list] Ad - If they don't sell today they go back on the shelf

[Rob Wesel]

Hello all

Two nice ones from the personal collection, prices lowered from last week. 
Don't be afraid to offer.


http://shop.ebay.com/nakhladog/m.html


Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
www.facebook.com/nakhladog
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pleistocene Megafaunal Collapse, Dung Fungus, and Younger Dryas

[Darren Garrison]

Here's the actual paper:

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Ebay auctions ending in couple hours, LDG, moldavite, campo and other weird things.

[Leigh Anne DelRay]

Hi All,
Just wanted to let you all know that I have a few auctions ending in a
bit. A couple meteorite related things, moldavite, Libyan Desert
Glass, and a Campo.
And a lot of other weird stuff.
Take care meteorite people,
Leigh Anne

http://shop.ebay.com/callistodesigns/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1
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[meteorite-list] Big Uruaçu for sale directly from Brazil (great prices)

[André Moutinho]

Hello, 

Selling some big Uruacu (up to 2,6kg) for a very good price directly from 
Brazil.
Pictures on request.

Cheers,
André Moutinho
IMCA 2731
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[meteorite-list] Big Uruaçu for sale directly from Brazil (great prices)

[André Moutinho]

Hello, 

Selling some big Uruacu (up to 2,6kg) for a very good price directly from 
Brazil.
Pictures on request.

Cheers,
André Moutinho
IMCA 2731
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[meteorite-list] NWA 5486 Nov. 22 Pic-O-Day

[Greg Hupe]

Hello Everyone!

Michael Johnson was very kind, as always, to post another Picture Of The Day 
for today, November 22, 2009. Initially I was with partial information 
regarding NWA 5486, so after hearing from the classifying scientist today, 
we have made this change to the description of today's Pic-O-Day.


Please click here (you may have to 'refresh' your screen if there is no 
difference from the last time you viewed it):

http://www.rocksfromspace.org:80/November_22_2009.html

"Thank You" again, Michael!!

Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmh...@htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



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[meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Buzzard Coulee

[tett]

Buzzard Coulee just celebrated its first birthday on Nov. 20th.

1 year later and many fine stones found.  Lets hope some good science 
including detailed strewn field maps are forth coming.


Check out this video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edtMdiO_gCc

Cheers!

Mike Tettenborn
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[meteorite-list] Sites Are Live!

[Meteorites USA]

Hi All,

Just a notice... My sites are back up and running. MeteoriteBlog.com is 
up, as is Meteorites USA. I'm working on Meteorite Wiki until late 
tonight updating the database. Please if you have information or posts 
going to the Meteorite Wiki, it should be ready for posts again by noon 
tomorrow. (hopefully) Those of you who've helped thus far a BIG THANKS! 
to all you guys.


Those who are consigning material on my site, you needn't worry, I've 
got something very special planned for that! ;)


Thanks everyone for your patience and emails. Speaking of email, anyone 
who sent email to me during the downtime, please resend, I received some 
of them and am responding in due time. Priority right now is the sites.


Thanks again...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.Meteorite Blog

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ablation Zone 5 Layers...AND Crust

[MEM]

- Greg Stanley  wrote:
> See  Fig. 1 on this UCLA web page. 
> http://www.ess.ucla.edu/research/cosmochem/meteorite.asp
> 
> Not sure if Dr. Wasson has written any papers regarding
> fusion crusts on irons, but I would think he would endorse
> anything on the web page.

So Gregg, if your statement is true, Dr.Wasson and/or UCLA endorses the 
formation of "rusty" fusion crust actually formed during decent? ( Fig 1 or is 
it the regmaglyts that formed during passage and they are on top of the rusty 
fusion crust?)

The issue is deeper than the semantic arguments, glossary obsolesence and lies 
in the differences of origin, composition, and presence of crust on different 
classes of meteorites. In the old school, a crust is generally removable from 
the underlying substrate and a dipping in molten metal alloy pushes the 
envelope of being a crust, however Buchwald illustrated that this was a 
combination of free metal and oxides. I conceed that irons--most all freshly 
fallen ones anyway , do have a fused surface that we can by convention call 
"crust" but the question remains as to what is the crust which is a few microns 
thick versus coatings and halos etc. There is danger of promoting ignorance by 
making assumptions that everything which is called crust is identical.

I am old school and I have the (un)reasonable expectation that where a 
distinction does lie, that the collector can understand why things are the way 
they are and not abuse the descriptions when they try to peddle their 
specimens.  Very few understood the distinction of silicate content when 
addressing irons as the presence of silicates,oxides, carbides,phosphides, etc 
largely govern the nature of a particular crust and gives insight into what 
went on during that miliseconds of exposure when the final surface was formed. 

Why it matters to me is 1) the abuse of the term in describing meteorite 
conditions 2) the science of understanding the differences in crust origin and 
composition and 3) how do we make the distinction amongst flight markings and 
do they differ from "fusion" crust?

I am satisfied that 1)one of the iron specimens cited in this discussion 
apparently do have a silicate content that provided for a glassy fusion crust 
and its origin is intriguing scientifically.  2)That by definition alone (fused 
+ coating) the irons do routinely have a "fused coating/crust" which differs 
significantly from our traditional concept of "crust" even though it is 
indistinguishable from the interior to the naked eye. (Do folks really "see" 
the crust or do they see if because it is supposed to be there?) At what point 
in weathering do we "see" that the welded crust/layer on an iron has rusted 
away given it is a few microns thick? 90% of the time, the seller will be 
claiming "crusted" long after the crust is gone, IMO.

I've seen little to nothing so far that invalidates describing the ablation 
zone nor crust in layers--Nor did Buchwald, apparently.

Finally, the term "big-head" someone used probably translates to "arrogant" 
Either way it was used in error as I was misunderstood. I did not disparage the 
pioneers in the field or meteoritical study.  They gained their meteoritical 
knowledge largely autodidactly when they came over.  I mentioned their former 
fields because when an individual crosses over into a different field of 
research, one can not just presume that they immediately acquire the entire 
knowledge base of those who were formerly educated in the same field. 

Elton

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