[meteorite-list] SMALL Riker mounts?
Hi there listees, Anybody know of a source for ~ 2 1/2" x 3" Riker mounts? I have purchased a few from a well known outlet, but their prices are about double the norm for any given size. Elsewhere, the smallest I can find are 3 1/4" x 4 1/4". Maybe I need bigger specimens! ;^) Linton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] big chondrules
hi looking for photo of a big chondule here is some, enjoy http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ thanks aziz habibi habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA , encyclopdia of meteorite
Hi Aziz and List, I agree. The Encyclopedia of Meteorites is the world's best way to explore some of the most interesting private meteorite collections. I wish all institutions holding meteorites had an online interface open to the public like the Encyclopedia. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG On 12/5/09, habibi abdelaziz wrote: > bravo, l'imca pour ce travail magnefique; > > i didnt see that's huge job there is a long time and i see this is 3 days i > can't close my labtop; > full of photo of everything collection ,images; wow, > we coundn't found better place to spend a good time, > > our work is gratified when you see all those beautyfull photos > > again barvo > aziz habibi > > habibi aziz > box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco > phone. 21235576145 > fax.21235576170 > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IMCA , encyclopdia of meteorite
bravo, l'imca pour ce travail magnefique; i didnt see that's huge job there is a long time and i see this is 3 days i can't close my labtop; full of photo of everything collection ,images; wow, we coundn't found better place to spend a good time, our work is gratified when you see all those beautyfull photos again barvo aziz habibi habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] reverse electrolysis
List, I have a large Campo del Cielo on which I'd like to try reverse electrolysis. It's one "hurtin" piece that I'd be willing to sacrifice if things don't go well, so I'd appreciate a repeat of the directions Thanks in advance Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zamanshin impact and Homo Heidelbergensis
Hi Sterling - Once more the voice of quiet reason. The madmen in the room always seem to find me, whether its Zubrinite Mars nuts, cultists, nu-agers, or simply less than secure anthropologists. Hell, I even mentioned erectus in the footnotes, but did they care? No. The taxonomy was a mess, and I said so. I was a space journalist reeling from a stroke, and not a physical anthropologist. Now has anybody (hint, hint) apologized yet for their remarks? No. A 1,100,000 Hiroshima impact and 1.8 billion tons of vaporized rock will have effects. Like splitting a hominid group into two parts, which then follow different evolutionary paths. The death range must have exceeded 100-200 miles. And all of the game animals (food) and useful plants and trees would have been killed as well. The impact explains the plains. And still no one is looking at the Malaysian impact and the early sapien fossils from there. Ed --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Sterling K. Webb wrote: > From: Sterling K. Webb > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Zamanshin impact and Homo Heidelbergensis > To: "E.P. Grondine" , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 4:06 AM > Hi, EP, List, > > I strongly suggest you not worry about taxonomy > and being criticized for it. Genus Homo taxonomy > is presently in a state of colossal mess and nobody > agrees with anybody except themselves. > > Homo heidelbergensis has been applied to many > distinctly different sets of remains, ranging from > 200,000 years old to 1.2 million years. The name was > first applied in 1907 to a set of very archaic H. sapiens > or (more likely) H. erectus remains about a half > million years old. > > There is long argument as to whether Homo > heidelbergensis is an advanced Homo erectus or a > primitive Homo sapiens, as useless as any argument > can get. Is he the world's tallest midget or the world's > shortest giant? > > Homo heidelbergensis survives as a name because a > rule in taxonomy called "sinking." The oldest name has > newer finds "sunk" into it, even if it somewhat changes > the original definition of the creature. Today, the trend > is to "sink" Homo heidelbergensis into the later Homo > erectus form, even though it's against the "rules." > > The point is nobody can criticize you for following the > strict rules of taxonomy. Homo heidelbergensis is the > older name for archaic Homo sapiens (or H. erectus). > It is the taxonomically correct name, and is still in wide > use today. Ignore the criticism. > > I am relying here on the 2035 pages of Wilfried Henke and > Ian Tattersall's "Handbook of Paleoanthropology" (2007), > the > most recent comprehensive work in publication. They do > not offer definitive assignment of species but explain the > various assignments of others, which at least looks as if > they were being reasonably objective. (They're not, but it > looks that way.) > > Of that little Dmanisi fellow, they say most assign him as > an early form of Homo erectus, which some have called > Homo ergaster. He is nevertheless quite different from the > other fossils with the same species assignment (just as > many of them differ greatly from each other). He was > originally called Homo georgicus, but nobody much uses > that name anymore. > > He is way too old to be your "split" man, as he is twice > as old as the Zamanshin crater and far too primitive (at > 1.8 million years) to be the direct ancestor of > Neanderthal > and Sapiens. THAT fellow would be Homo heidelbergensis. > > Just like you said. > > There are two urges at work here. Some taxonomists want > to "lump" all the Homo erectus-like critters into one > species > with one name and a lot of variations. Other taxonomists > want to "split" each group with distinctive > characteristics > into separate species with separate names. It should come > as no surprise that those exhibiting these two tendencies > are called the Lumpers and the Splitters. > > Right now (this decade) the Splitters are winning, because > we keep finding new and distinctive hominids that simply > don't fit into the dominant model developed in the 1980's > and 1990's. There appear to have been lots of different > kinds of humans. and some that are weird beyond belief > (like Homo floresiensis). > > Henke and Tattersall are not without their oddities: they > think Homo floresiensis is a deformed dwarf (WRONG). > They spend a lot of time on the Homo habilis versus Homo > rudolfiensis dispute, which is like the arguments between > the Laputan Big Enders and Little Enders in "Gulliver's > Travels," utterly insane nonsense. This is the kind of > argument that occupies people (do taxonomists count?) > with too much time on their hands. > > Don't worry about people criticizing your taxonomy. > Someone always will, because you cannot satisfy a > roomful of madmen. > > Given the dating of Zamanshin (900,000 +/- 100,000 > years), Homo heidelbergensis or Homo erectus is equally > good at nominat
[meteorite-list] AD - ANGRITE FOR SALE - SMALL AFFORDABLE D'ORBIGNY SPECIMENS AVAILABLE!
Greetings list members, I have a handful of small D'orbigny angrite specimens available for sale at great prices. Every specimen has something really unique and weird about it. As many of you already know, this is one of the most anomalous, rarest, and coolest meteorites on earth. I am excited to be able to offer a few specimens to interested collectors. There are a couple of sub-gram specimens for micro collectors, up to a 6 gram piece. If you are interested in obtaining a specimen, please contact me off list. My email is: patr...@etmeteorites.com. Thank you for your time! Patrick Thompson ET Meteorites patr...@etmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SALE - UNWA Black Chondrite slices/endcuts, Trinitite, Meteorite Gift Boxes, more!
Hi Folks! I have a few items of holiday interest that would make good stocking stuffers. This includes some low-cost UNWA black chondrite slices and endcuts. I also have some small metal-rich unclassified endcuts, one nice crusted piece of Tamdakht, and some unique Trinitite displays. See the links below - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/New-Limited-Edition-Trinitite-Display--Vintage-Pop-Sci_1107354.html http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/New-Limited-Edition-Trinitite-Display--Vintage-Pop-Sci-Art_1107351.html http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Tamdakht--2008-Moroccan-Witnessed-Fall--Crusted-Fragment_1066894.html http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Black-Chondrite--Big-Unclassified-Meteorite-Endcut--81-grams_1131751.html http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Retro-Meteorite-Display-Box-w-Vintage-Astronomy-Theme_1125428.html http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/High-Iron-Endcut--Nice-Unclassified-Meteorite--40-grams_1131762.html http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Retro-Meteorite-Display-Box-w-Vintage-Astronomy-Art_1143682.html I also have some nice non-meteorite items like fulgurites, neolithic arrowheads, ammonites, and more. See my website at - http://www.galactic-stone.com All List-Members (this means you!) get a 25% discount on everything in my store (min order $10) - just use the coupon code "metlist" at checkout. Thanks for looking and happy holidays! MikeG PS - I have bulk quartz crystals, semi-precious stones, moldavite, sea shells, and more. :) -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?
To get a visceral sense of why so little material survives entry, we can do a simple back-of-the-envelope calculation that lets us ignore messy details like entry angle, composition, and ablation physics. A very slow meteoroid (12 km/s) entering the atmosphere is carrying a kinetic energy of 72 MJ/kg. That's the equivalent of 17 kg of TNT per kg of meteoroid. Usually, all of that energy is dissipated in at most a few seconds (for our purposes, any surviving meteorites can be considered to have zero kinetic energy). A meteoroid that enters at 26 km/s (still slow enough for meteorites) gives up 338 MJ/kg, or 80 kg TNT per kg. Not hard to see from this just how rough a ride those meteoroids experience. The energy is what it is; the primary factor that determines survival is how long the energy is allowed to dissipate. That's why long lasting fireballs are much better candidates for meteorite producers than shorter ones. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: To: "Richard Kowalski" ; "meteoritelist" Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry? Richard, Very nice show tonight. I recorded it so I can watch again. You were very very good! You are (the) ultimate meteorite hunter. Congrats. I'm pretty sure it has been stated on this list that the amount burned up in passage through the atmosphere depends on so many different factors that any guess might be right. Anyway, Congrats again. Carl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois Meteorwrong Announcement/Sort of Ad
Thanks AL, I really thin this is one of the top 3 meteorwrongs of all time next to Putorano and Shirokovsky. I do not have a whole lot left, I have sold all of the pieces that I have offered so far. I just put up a few new pieces on the page you linked to. If somebody sees a piece in the thread that is not listed on the for sale page contact me and we can work something out if it has not been sold yet. I will be adding more pieces to the page so check back often if you do not see anything that interests you. Here is a link to the thread I was talking about: http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1243030765/14 Here is a link to the for sale page: http://illinoismeteorites.com/mendotawrongsforsale.htm Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com - Original Message From: "almi...@localnet.com" To: Meteorite List Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 10:14:57 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Illinois Meteorwrong Announcement/Sort of Ad Greetings, Some of you may remember a while back that Joe Kerchner found some interesting looking specimens while out meteorite hunting. I was involved in helping him get the specimens to a researcher who has determined they are a good meteorwrong but not a meteorite. Many may remember a number of meteorwrongs we have come a cross in the past like some of the Russian specimens that turned out to be a terrestrial basalt with nickel in it. I feel that Joe's specimens are an excellent meteorwrong and have added a sample to my collection. I thought others might want to contact him and add some also. He is offering some of this material up for sale. I have added a link so you can visit his site and consider some of this material or simply look at it. http://illinoismeteorites.com/mendotawrongsforsale.htm You can also contact him here directly. Have fun! Joe Kerchner illinoismeteori...@gmail.com Not too often you come across material that looks so promising like Joe did but still turns out to not be the real McCoy. This is the sort of item that is fun to add to a collection. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 - NatGeo TV
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:59:54 +, you wrote: >Thanks, that would be wonderful...it was great to be able to watch the others >you have provided links to in the past. > In the meantime, I finally found a download of the first Meteorite Men: http://www.sendspace.com/file/9mi1x6 http://www.sendspace.com/file/jfmk8f __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 - NatGeo TV
Hi Darren, Thanks, that would be wonderful...it was great to be able to watch the others you have provided links to in the past. Cheers, Graham Darren Garrison wrote: > On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:48:09 +, you wrote: > > >Hi Greg,all, > > > >Anyone know if someone recorded it and made it available to download for > >those of us outside the USA? > > > > I can't find an upload of it yet, but it will surely be coming-- the other > episodes in the series are availible from The Usual Sources: > > http://www.torrentz.com/search?q=naked+science+ > > http://www.binsearch.info/?q=naked+science&max=250&adv_age=365&server=2 > > When it shows up, I can download it and upload it to Sendspace like I have in > the past. > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] joe's meteorwrong
Hi again list.I just bought joe's 75 gram endcut of his meteorwrong.I have to say,it looks like and L3 type.That is the nicest M'wrong I have ever seen. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] more meteorites forsale/ price reduced
Hi again list.I have reduced a few of the meteorites forsale and I have added a few new ones, so here they are again _ 1.CALDWELL,KS 6 GRAM SLICE SA CARD $50- 2.SANTA ROSA 51 GRAMS $200- 3.NWA 5055 37.5 GRAM SLICE COTTINGHAM CARD $75- 4. CAMPO DEL CIELO 7.5 KILO $400- 5.NWA 5546 16 GRAM SLICE COTT. CARD $60- 6.KEM KEM 15 46 GRAMS (2 FRAGMENTS) SMF CARD $100- 7.JUANCHENG 4.5 GRAMS SLICE $40- 8.SIKOTE-ALIN 25 GRAMS$35- 9.GAO'S 29 AND 27 GRAMS ORIENTED SA IMB CARD $75- __ That is it for selling.Getting to rev up for tucson.So remember,free shipping as well.Please off list. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ??
Oh Yeah! I think this is the same outfit that I bought a 4 kilo Nantan from last year. They described it as a "siderite nantan". The single photo showed one side all wire brushed up nice. When I received it, the other three sides were caked solid with concretions and rust. I asked my neighbor and mentor, Sonny Clary, what to do with it... and he said "Hit it with a hammer." So I did... and now I have 167 rusty fragments. I been giving them to the kids at my grandson's grammar school. Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: countde...@earthlink.net >Sent: Dec 5, 2009 1:35 PM >To: Paul Harris , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, >Notkin , twel...@alaska.net >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ?? > >THAT TAIWAN OUTFIT HAS ENOUGH NANTANS AND CAMPOS TO BALLAST THE NINA, THE >PINTA AND THE SANTA MARIA! > >COUNT DEIRO > >-Original Message- >>From: Paul Harris >>Sent: Dec 5, 2009 12:34 PM >>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Notkin , >>twel...@alaska.net >>Subject: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ?? >> >>Dear Geoff, Eric, and List, >> >>I received an email from the Taiwan Meteorite Company >>http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside.asp requesting a Banner Ad and in >>reviewing their site I see what appears to be images from Eric Twelker >>and Geoff Notkin's sites. They may have others as well but I have not >>searched their whole site. Two of the pages are listed below. >> >>http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=2&p2no=0 >>http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=5&p2no=0 >> >>To Eric, Geoff and any other dealer, please let me know if you have >>allowed this company to use your photos. >> >>Thank you very much, >> >>Paul >> >>__ >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ??
I checked out the website in question, and also visited Eric's site. Not only are they using Eric's photos, they are using the exact inventory number, info, and price for the specimen. Like: #NWA5000-610. That is the same photo as used on Eric's site - plus the specimen has the same weight, description and identical price. Unless Eric has agreed that they can act as a middleman to sell his specimens, I smell a huge scam. Ed - Original Message - From: "Paul Harris" To: ; "Notkin" ; Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ?? Dear Geoff, Eric, and List, I received an email from the Taiwan Meteorite Company http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside.asp requesting a Banner Ad and in reviewing their site I see what appears to be images from Eric Twelker and Geoff Notkin's sites. They may have others as well but I have not searched their whole site. Two of the pages are listed below. http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=2&p2no=0 http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=5&p2no=0 To Eric, Geoff and any other dealer, please let me know if you have allowed this company to use your photos. Thank you very much, Paul __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13850 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) Database version: 6.13850 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ??
THAT TAIWAN OUTFIT HAS ENOUGH NANTANS AND CAMPOS TO BALLAST THE NINA, THE PINTA AND THE SANTA MARIA! COUNT DEIRO -Original Message- >From: Paul Harris >Sent: Dec 5, 2009 12:34 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Notkin , >twel...@alaska.net >Subject: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ?? > >Dear Geoff, Eric, and List, > >I received an email from the Taiwan Meteorite Company >http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside.asp requesting a Banner Ad and in >reviewing their site I see what appears to be images from Eric Twelker >and Geoff Notkin's sites. They may have others as well but I have not >searched their whole site. Two of the pages are listed below. > >http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=2&p2no=0 >http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=5&p2no=0 > >To Eric, Geoff and any other dealer, please let me know if you have >allowed this company to use your photos. > >Thank you very much, > >Paul > >__ >http://www.meteoritecentral.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Zamanshin impact and Homo Heidelbergensis
Note that no name is given for this homonid right now. This homonid was likely the common ancestor for sapiens and neanderthal, with the two populations split by the Zamanshin impact. Actually, the formal publication of these Dmanisi fossils have named it Homo georgicus. It is somewhere on the brink, morphologically, of H. habilis and H. erectus/ergaster. I.e., current thoughts are more and more that it is ancestral to Homo erectus/ergaster (and might indate that erectus/ergaster evolved outside of Africa! And migrated *into* Africa). Note that *no-one* has ever classified this Dmanisi hominin as H. heidelbergensis. It is twice to thrice as old anyway as any other specimen classified as H. heidelbergensis. Last week I had the pleasure of being present at the opening of the exhibit the link talks about by the way, and see the specimen in question. Zhamanshin is, I believed, dated at 0.9 Ma so I see no clear link between the Zhamanshin impact and this 1.8 Ma hominin. It is twice as old as the impact. - Marco - Dr Marco Langbroek Institute for Geo- & Bioarchaeology (IGBA) Faculty of Earth and Life Sciences VU University Amsterdam De Boelelaan 1085 1081 HV Amsterdam, the Netherlands room O-420 tel.: +31 (0)20 5987669 e-mail: marco.langbr...@falw.vu.nl web (1): http://www.palaeolithic.nl web (2): http://www.falw.vu.nl/igba web (3): http://www.clue.nu - __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ??
Hi Mike! I totally agree with you on the site. The Moon Box pictures look like Geoff Notkins to me. I also questioned them on this http://www.starhunter.tw/e/detail.asp?pno=1547 and their response is below... LOL Have a great day! Paul *** This iron meteorite J000351 Location：NanDan, China Type：iron meteorite IIICD Include agate-base In order to prevent getting rusty, we spread the black paint outside the meteorite. As the ornaments, It can't get rusty. But if etched after cutting it, it still shows Widmanstaffen-Pattern. We are the biggest meteorite wholesale websites in China. The meteorite that we sold is all real goods. If make the fake, we would like to bear legal responsibility. If there is any question, please let me know at any time. *** Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi Paul and List, Wow, good eye and nice catch! What a strange website. Maybe it's just me, or the culture barrier, but the Rex character seems more like a sideshow promoter than a seller of meteorites and rare materials. I don't say that as a bad thing - I just mean that it looks and feels very different than any meteorite website I have seen. I didn't wade through the entirety of the listings, but some of them seem a little dubious - like this offering : Iron Meteorite1.96kg(IAB) like the head of an alien (Item No.：S45) http://www.starhunter.tw/e/detail.asp?pno=11&pp=A I've never seen an iron meteorite with this kind of weathering pattern or any pattern like this caused by natural processes. The specimen looks altered to me. The listing does not explicitly state the specimen is in a natural state, so it's not being misrepresented per-se, but it does seem questionable. Many of the specimens also lack important details - like the name of the find/fall or any petrologic data. A photo is presented and the piece is stated as "pallasite" without any mention of what exact pallasite it is - http://www.starhunter.tw/e/detail.asp?pno=159&pp=A Much of that "meteorite jewelry" recalls the dubious pieces we see for sale on eBay frequently - the carved crosses, Buddhas, and other figures. Example - http://www.starhunter.tw/e/detail.asp?pno=3868&pp=B# An unclassified CV3 embedded in a trinket-like resin star. (*ugh* - don't get me started again on this tacky practice) Who analyzed it and determined it is a CV3? How can we tell, since the piece is so small and permanently embedded in resin? Maybe it's just the English language version of the site with these issues - I have seen sites like this where the different versions for various languages are not consistent - so maybe the native language version has more detailed information? I did notice that he is offering Martin and Stefan's Moon Rock displays, so at least those specimens are authentic. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 12/5/09, Paul Harris wrote: Dear Geoff, Eric, and List, I received an email from the Taiwan Meteorite Company http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside.asp requesting a Banner Ad and in reviewing their site I see what appears to be images from Eric Twelker and Geoff Notkin's sites. They may have others as well but I have not searched their whole site. Two of the pages are listed below. http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=2&p2no=0 http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=5&p2no=0 To Eric, Geoff and any other dealer, please let me know if you have allowed this company to use your photos. Thank you very much, Paul __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ??
Dear Paul: Thank you for being such a good web sleuth as usual : ) Although I've done some business with Taiwan Meteorite Company, they are in no way authorized to use my Brenham photos or list pieces on their site that are actually on MY site : ) I have to say, that's pretty bold. I'll follow up on it right away. See you here in a couple of months, right? Best wishes, Geoff www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ??
Hi Paul and List, Wow, good eye and nice catch! What a strange website. Maybe it's just me, or the culture barrier, but the Rex character seems more like a sideshow promoter than a seller of meteorites and rare materials. I don't say that as a bad thing - I just mean that it looks and feels very different than any meteorite website I have seen. I didn't wade through the entirety of the listings, but some of them seem a little dubious - like this offering : Iron Meteorite1.96kg(IAB) like the head of an alien (Item No.：S45) http://www.starhunter.tw/e/detail.asp?pno=11&pp=A I've never seen an iron meteorite with this kind of weathering pattern or any pattern like this caused by natural processes. The specimen looks altered to me. The listing does not explicitly state the specimen is in a natural state, so it's not being misrepresented per-se, but it does seem questionable. Many of the specimens also lack important details - like the name of the find/fall or any petrologic data. A photo is presented and the piece is stated as "pallasite" without any mention of what exact pallasite it is - http://www.starhunter.tw/e/detail.asp?pno=159&pp=A Much of that "meteorite jewelry" recalls the dubious pieces we see for sale on eBay frequently - the carved crosses, Buddhas, and other figures. Example - http://www.starhunter.tw/e/detail.asp?pno=3868&pp=B# An unclassified CV3 embedded in a trinket-like resin star. (*ugh* - don't get me started again on this tacky practice) Who analyzed it and determined it is a CV3? How can we tell, since the piece is so small and permanently embedded in resin? Maybe it's just the English language version of the site with these issues - I have seen sites like this where the different versions for various languages are not consistent - so maybe the native language version has more detailed information? I did notice that he is offering Martin and Stefan's Moon Rock displays, so at least those specimens are authentic. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG PS - there is also a copy of Eric Twelker's meteorite type chart here - http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside3.asp?p1no=3 On 12/5/09, Paul Harris wrote: > Dear Geoff, Eric, and List, > > I received an email from the Taiwan Meteorite Company > http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside.asp requesting a Banner Ad and in > reviewing their site I see what appears to be images from Eric Twelker > and Geoff Notkin's sites. They may have others as well but I have not > searched their whole site. Two of the pages are listed below. > > http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=2&p2no=0 > http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=5&p2no=0 > > To Eric, Geoff and any other dealer, please let me know if you have > allowed this company to use your photos. > > Thank you very much, > > Paul > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] US Dealers Pictures on www.starhunter.tw ??
Dear Geoff, Eric, and List, I received an email from the Taiwan Meteorite Company http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside.asp requesting a Banner Ad and in reviewing their site I see what appears to be images from Eric Twelker and Geoff Notkin's sites. They may have others as well but I have not searched their whole site. Two of the pages are listed below. http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=2&p2no=0 http://www.starhunter.tw/e/inside2.asp?p1no=5&p2no=0 To Eric, Geoff and any other dealer, please let me know if you have allowed this company to use your photos. Thank you very much, Paul __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sunday's Auction
Bonhams & Butterfields (announcements...@bonhams.com) Not sure if the list gets these, but here ya go. Nice looking meteorite lot. Dennis _ Chat with Messenger straight from your Hotmail inbox. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_4:092009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Illinois Meteorwrong Announcement/Sort of Ad
Greetings, Some of you may remember a while back that Joe Kerchner found some interesting looking specimens while out meteorite hunting. I was involved in helping him get the specimens to a researcher who has determined they are a good meteorwrong but not a meteorite. Many may remember a number of meteorwrongs we have come a cross in the past like some of the Russian specimens that turned out to be a terrestrial basalt with nickel in it. I feel that Joe's specimens are an excellent meteorwrong and have added a sample to my collection. I thought others might want to contact him and add some also. He is offering some of this material up for sale. I have added a link so you can visit his site and consider some of this material or simply look at it. http://illinoismeteorites.com/mendotawrongsforsale.htm You can also contact him here directly. Have fun! Joe Kerchner illinoismeteori...@gmail.com Not too often you come across material that looks so promising like Joe did but still turns out to not be the real McCoy. This is the sort of item that is fun to add to a collection. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Illinois Meteorwrong Announcement/Sort of Ad
Greetings, Some of you may remember a while back that Joe Kerchner found some interesting looking specimens while out meteorite hunting. I was involved in helping him get the specimens to a researcher who has determined they are a good meteorwrong but not a meteorite. Many may remember a number of meteorwrongs we have come a cross in the past like some of the Russian specimens that turned out to be a terrestrial basalt with nickel in it. I feel that Joe's specimens are an excellent meteorwrong and have added a sample to my collection. I thought others might want to contact him and add some also. He is offering some of this material up for sale. I have added a link so you can visit his site and consider some of this material or simply look at it. http://illinoismeteorites.com/mendotawrongsforsale.htm You can also contact him here directly. Have fun! Joe Kerchner illinoismeteori...@gmail.com Not too often you come across material that looks so promising like Joe did but still turns out to not be the real McCoy. This is the sort of item that is fun to add to a collection. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zamanshin impact and Homo Heidelbergensis
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 04:06:19 -0600, you wrote: >I am relying here on the 2035 pages of Wilfried Henke and >Ian Tattersall's "Handbook of Paleoanthropology" (2007), the >most recent comprehensive work in publication. If anyone wants to take a look at this resource, you can pick it up for a mere thousand bucks on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Paleoanthropology-Principles-Approaches-Evolution/dp/3540324747 or sample it here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/g65s4b __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 - NatGeo TV
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:48:09 +, you wrote: >Hi Greg,all, > >Anyone know if someone recorded it and made it available to download for those >of us outside the USA? > I can't find an upload of it yet, but it will surely be coming-- the other episodes in the series are availible from The Usual Sources: http://www.torrentz.com/search?q=naked+science+ http://www.binsearch.info/?q=naked+science&max=250&adv_age=365&server=2 When it shows up, I can download it and upload it to Sendspace like I have in the past. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Leake & Goodlett meteorite returned
Hi Michael, Meteorwrong! anyway meteorite-identification.com/tupelo.html Graham, uk Michael Groetz wrote: > http://www.wxvt.com/Global/story.asp?S=11620211 > > > Leake & Goodlett meteorite returned > > Associated Press - December 4, 2009 8:24 AM ET > > TUPELO, Miss. (AP) - A half-ton of space rock has mysteriously > reappeared at a Tupelo building supply store. > > Lindsey Leake, the store's co-owner, tells the Northeast Mississippi > Daily Journal that they got a call last month from a person who > claimed to have the meteorite and wanted to return. > > The 1,100-pound rock showed up Thursday at the Leake & Goodlett store > on a flatbed truck. > > The rock disappeared Nov. 19, 2008. > > Leake says the person agreed to return the rock if it would remain > anonymous and if he agreed not to prosecute. Leake agreed. > > The meteorite was discovered in 1870 by Tupelo Mayor H.C. "Major" > Medford. It has always been displayed publicly outside Leake & > Goodlett since about 1965. > > Leake says he may find some other public spot for it. > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 - NatGeo TV
Hi Greg,all, Anyone know if someone recorded it and made it available to download for those of us outside the USA? Graham, UK Greg Hupe wrote: > Hello All, > > For anyone who missed tonight's airing of National Geographic's "Naked > Science: Countdown to Impact", it is well worth watching any second showings > as they did a fantastic job, excellent show!! Here is a link to the web site > for info: > http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/naked-science/4652/Overview > > I looked for videos for sale, but nothing yet :-/ > > Best regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmh...@htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Leake & Goodlett meteorite returned
http://www.wxvt.com/Global/story.asp?S=11620211 Leake & Goodlett meteorite returned Associated Press - December 4, 2009 8:24 AM ET TUPELO, Miss. (AP) - A half-ton of space rock has mysteriously reappeared at a Tupelo building supply store. Lindsey Leake, the store's co-owner, tells the Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal that they got a call last month from a person who claimed to have the meteorite and wanted to return. The 1,100-pound rock showed up Thursday at the Leake & Goodlett store on a flatbed truck. The rock disappeared Nov. 19, 2008. Leake says the person agreed to return the rock if it would remain anonymous and if he agreed not to prosecute. Leake agreed. The meteorite was discovered in 1870 by Tupelo Mayor H.C. "Major" Medford. It has always been displayed publicly outside Leake & Goodlett since about 1965. Leake says he may find some other public spot for it. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test - ignore
Tests are boring. Meteorite collection in Switzerland... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHQn7VNLUJI __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zamanshin impact and Homo Heidelbergensis
Hi, EP, List, I strongly suggest you not worry about taxonomy and being criticized for it. Genus Homo taxonomy is presently in a state of colossal mess and nobody agrees with anybody except themselves. Homo heidelbergensis has been applied to many distinctly different sets of remains, ranging from 200,000 years old to 1.2 million years. The name was first applied in 1907 to a set of very archaic H. sapiens or (more likely) H. erectus remains about a half million years old. There is long argument as to whether Homo heidelbergensis is an advanced Homo erectus or a primitive Homo sapiens, as useless as any argument can get. Is he the world's tallest midget or the world's shortest giant? Homo heidelbergensis survives as a name because a rule in taxonomy called "sinking." The oldest name has newer finds "sunk" into it, even if it somewhat changes the original definition of the creature. Today, the trend is to "sink" Homo heidelbergensis into the later Homo erectus form, even though it's against the "rules." The point is nobody can criticize you for following the strict rules of taxonomy. Homo heidelbergensis is the older name for archaic Homo sapiens (or H. erectus). It is the taxonomically correct name, and is still in wide use today. Ignore the criticism. I am relying here on the 2035 pages of Wilfried Henke and Ian Tattersall's "Handbook of Paleoanthropology" (2007), the most recent comprehensive work in publication. They do not offer definitive assignment of species but explain the various assignments of others, which at least looks as if they were being reasonably objective. (They're not, but it looks that way.) Of that little Dmanisi fellow, they say most assign him as an early form of Homo erectus, which some have called Homo ergaster. He is nevertheless quite different from the other fossils with the same species assignment (just as many of them differ greatly from each other). He was originally called Homo georgicus, but nobody much uses that name anymore. He is way too old to be your "split" man, as he is twice as old as the Zamanshin crater and far too primitive (at 1.8 million years) to be the direct ancestor of Neanderthal and Sapiens. THAT fellow would be Homo heidelbergensis. Just like you said. There are two urges at work here. Some taxonomists want to "lump" all the Homo erectus-like critters into one species with one name and a lot of variations. Other taxonomists want to "split" each group with distinctive characteristics into separate species with separate names. It should come as no surprise that those exhibiting these two tendencies are called the Lumpers and the Splitters. Right now (this decade) the Splitters are winning, because we keep finding new and distinctive hominids that simply don't fit into the dominant model developed in the 1980's and 1990's. There appear to have been lots of different kinds of humans. and some that are weird beyond belief (like Homo floresiensis). Henke and Tattersall are not without their oddities: they think Homo floresiensis is a deformed dwarf (WRONG). They spend a lot of time on the Homo habilis versus Homo rudolfiensis dispute, which is like the arguments between the Laputan Big Enders and Little Enders in "Gulliver's Travels," utterly insane nonsense. This is the kind of argument that occupies people (do taxonomists count?) with too much time on their hands. Don't worry about people criticizing your taxonomy. Someone always will, because you cannot satisfy a roomful of madmen. Given the dating of Zamanshin (900,000 +/- 100,000 years), Homo heidelbergensis or Homo erectus is equally good at nominating the men of the times. Moving on... What I can't understand is why a nine-mile-wide crater should (or could) "split" mankind into two non-interacting groups resulting in two species of Homo. OK, the impact kills folks for up to 1-2 hundred miles or so around the impact site. I don't see that as an "obstacle." Hominids lived in widely scattered bands. There are hundreds of miles of open plains north of Zamanshin, the great wide Russian steppes, and all of Southern Asia, well, to the south. Why is a nine-mile-wide crater in the middle of a continent with 1500 miles of non-cratered terrain on every side of that crater an obstacle of any kind to anybody with feet? As for the impact creating the divide between Sapiens and Neanderthals... The earliest Neanderthal-like hominids, called Proto- Neanderthals, don't appear until about 300,000 years ago. "Proto-Neanderthal" is a slippery concept; how is it different from its Homo heidelbergensis ancestor? Not much, maybe not at all. Not everybody believes in "Proto-Neanderthals," you see. Look up a picture of the Petralona skulls to see. Neanderthal? Erectus? The first hominids with traits that suggest Neanderthals only appear about 130,000 years ago and the "classic" Neanderthals don't appear until 70,000 years ago and the full classic suite of traits doesn't manifest until about 50,000 years ag
