[meteorite-list] Was Test - ignore - the meteorite collection in the Mysty Park, Interlaken
Hello, we were asked, what for a meteorite display it could be in that youtube-clip, we filled our test-posting with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHQn7VNLUJI These are the remainders of the once most important (and perhaps still most important) meteorite collection of Switzerland: The former collection of the Bally-Prior museum in Schoenenwerd, Canton Solothurn, (where Rolf Buehler was also curator - author of the still best meteorite book in German language). Bally-Prior was a fabricant of shoes. In the end the meteorite collection comprised 500 historic meteorites from more than 70 countries. The museum housed also one of the most important mineral collections of Switzerland. Was financed by an private foundation, but the museum went more or less bankrupt. To restore and to maintain the museum and the collections in the end a relatively modest amount was missing, approx 450.000$. A sum the Suisse state obviously wasn't willing to pay. So unbelievable but true: the mineral meteorite collections were dissolved and hawked 5-6 years ago! Museums and universities had a preemption to buy before the private collectors. All museums and universities failed in taking over the meteorite collection, even the ETH Zurich, whereto Bally-Prior had donated endless mineral specimens and whole collections. So afterwards a private person bought the meteorite collection. Maybe one can say, that with that failure to secure the Bally-Prior meteorite collection for the public and for research, Suisse meteorite history hit rock bottom. Only one similar grave case comes into our minds, the mistake not to have held Zeitschel's collection, once largest private collection in the World, in Germany - but that was in the 1980ies. The private buyer gave a part (most?) of the collection on loan to that place, where the video was taken. Well, maybe not an ideal place, but at least they are on display. It's a kind of a Disneyland once created by Europe's most famous ufologist, Erich von Daeniken. - the Mysty Park in Interlaken, Canton Bern. Side remark - we had these discussions about laws, meteorites as natural or cultural heritage (and a museum collection is for sure a cultural heritage in the terms of the UNESCO-Convention of 1970) etc. - Well, if one regards this case, doubts can rise, whether meteorites in Switzerland really are objects of cultural meaning, scientific importance and public interest and if the respective laws about such objects found can be applied on meteorites. Mistakes are made to learn from them. Have a fine Sunday, Martin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] more meteorites/ price reduced on soe (AD)
Hi list.I emailed this list yesterday,but it did not make it because I did not say ad.If it did my apology.I have added a few more pieces forsale and reduced the price for a few.The santa rosa,1.3 k campo,the 3 nwa's,and griffith are gone. -- 1.caldwell,ks 6.1 slice SA IMB card $50 2.campo 7.5 kilo's meteorite madness $400 3.gao's (29 and 27 grams) oriented SA IMB cards $75 4.nininger copy poster from 1966/1967 ASU awards benifit $25 5.allende slice 6.5 grams $50 6.kem kem 15 46 grams (2 fragments) SMF CARD $100 7.NWA 5546 CV3 16 gram slice cottingham card $60 8.sikote-alin 25 grams $35 9.nwa 5055 37.5 gram slice cottingham card$75 10.mangwendi 3 gram part slice $25 11.juancheng 4.5 gram part slice $40 12.nwa 5526 13, 54 gram slice cottingham card $40 13.gold basin 9 grams slice $40 -- So thats it also all with free shipping.Please off list and it is also a new week.PAYPAL,CHECK,USA CASH or MONEY ORDER. Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad/web site update.....Admire Pallasite slices
Hi all I just finished adding some really nice Admire Pallasite slices to the web site you can have a look here http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm As usual I am also running Ebay auctions and if you would like to see them you can see mine here http://shop.ebay.com/flattoprocks/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 And you can see what my wife has on there as well http://shop.ebay.com/flatop-2/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 Thanks for looking and any purchase for the next 48 hours will include free shipping world wide, just mention this ad. Thanks -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: How much survives entry?
Chris, Just so you know. When you look at the time and date of my posts you will see they are from Thursday. They are often delayed by several days. I don't know why they take so long to post to the list. I have not had time yet to read your references but I certainly will very soon. You make entry sound so dramatic with your TNT figures but those amounts are gibberish to most of us non-scientists. What makes me curious relative to those scary numbers you state, is the simple fact that we have been shuttling space ships and rockets for quite some time in and out of this atmosphere with relatively few TNT scale catastrophes. That said it seems that if we can do it so can a smooth rock. Even if you look at photos we have of asteroids they are very smooth themselves. Not jagged or non-aerodynamic. Makes you wonder why that is? Is there some mechanism that makes them smooth that we have never addressed yet? So, my presumption is that they have had millions of years of experience with space travel. Some we have even observed entering our atmosphere and then actually exiting without ever falling to Earths surface. These it seems to me that those rocks would be extra touch for the next go round. Because they now already must have a tough fusion crust which might be even better designed than our space shuttle tiles. And therefore should slip through our atmosphere with the greatest of ease. So, keeping all of this in perspective , Sterling says the range is actually from 14%-100% is lost. This figure makes much more sense but it seems to me that some meteoroids MUST be equally as aerodynamic as our space shuttle and therefore can not be discounted from the equation. And therefore must make it through with little loss. Just my humble common sense here. without math. Thanks again. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: To get a visceral sense of why so little material survives entry, we can do a simple back-of-the-envelope calculation that lets us ignore messy details like entry angle, composition, and ablation physics. A very slow meteoroid (12 km/s) entering the atmosphere is carrying a kinetic energy of 72 MJ/kg. That's the equivalent of 17 kg of TNT per kg of meteoroid. Usually, all of that energy is dissipated in at most a few seconds (for our purposes, any surviving meteorites can be considered to have zero kinetic energy). A meteoroid that enters at 26 km/s (still slow enough for meteorites) gives up 338 MJ/kg, or 80 kg TNT per kg. Not hard to see from this just how rough a ride those meteoroids experience. The energy is what it is; the primary factor that determines survival is how long the energy is allowed to dissipate. That's why long lasting fireballs are much better candidates for meteorite producers than shorter ones. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com; meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry? Richard, Very nice show tonight. I recorded it so I can watch again. You were very very good! You are (the) ultimate meteorite hunter. Congrats. I'm pretty sure it has been stated on this list that the amount burned up in passage through the atmosphere depends on so many different factors that any guess might be right. Anyway, Congrats again. Carl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy Holiday Season
Hello all Looking back at 2009, it's been a good year for us spacerock heads. A small list, feel free to add to it: Numerous recovered falls around the globe Using new technologies to locate those falls = 2008 TC3/Almahata Sitta, West, Grimsby Good old fashioned hard work = Maribo, Whetstone Mountains, and untold desert finds The first meteorite TV series Life on Mars back in the mix Dogs finding meteorites We've lost a few friends this year but gained a few as well So, whatever holiday you observe this time of year may it bring you the best http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/site-art/xmas.jpg Rob Wesel __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA , encyclopdia of meteorite
All, Not only is www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com a great place to explore quite a few meteorite collections, it is a wonderful place to LIST YOUR OWN COLLECTION if you haven't done so already! Many articles about the need to properly catalog meteorite collections have appeared over the years, including one I wrote not long ago (see: http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm ), and the IMCA's EOM is REALLY EASY TO USE and just a great way to catalog your collection... All the best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:14 PM To: habibi abdelaziz Cc: meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA , encyclopdia of meteorite Hi Aziz and List, I agree. The Encyclopedia of Meteorites is the world's best way to explore some of the most interesting private meteorite collections. I wish all institutions holding meteorites had an online interface open to the public like the Encyclopedia. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG On 12/5/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: bravo, l'imca pour ce travail magnefique; i didnt see that's huge job there is a long time and i see this is 3 days i can't close my labtop; full of photo of everything collection ,images; wow, we coundn't found better place to spend a good time, our work is gratified when you see all those beautyfull photos again barvo aziz habibi font style=BACKGROUND-COLOR:#40; face=comic sans mshabibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Holiday Season
Very nice Rob! Happy Holidays!! Best wishes, Michael Johnson http://www.rocksfromspace.org --Original Message-- From: Rob Wesel Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Holiday Season Sent: Dec 6, 2009 4:32 PM Hello all Looking back at 2009, it's been a good year for us spacerock heads. A small list, feel free to add to it: Numerous recovered falls around the globe Using new technologies to locate those falls = 2008 TC3/Almahata Sitta, West, Grimsby Good old fashioned hard work = Maribo, Whetstone Mountains, and untold desert finds The first meteorite TV series Life on Mars back in the mix Dogs finding meteorites We've lost a few friends this year but gained a few as well So, whatever holiday you observe this time of year may it bring you the best http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/site-art/xmas.jpg Rob Wesel __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] reverse electolysis
Thanks to all who responded to my request. I got some great suggestions and detailed instructions. The List at its best. Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA , encyclopdia of meteorite
And if www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com is a little long for anyone to type, I have also set up this shorter address! ;-) http://eom.imca.cc Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com To: 'Galactic Stone Ironworks' meteoritem...@gmail.com; 'habibi abdelaziz' azizhab...@yahoo.com Cc: 'meteorite list' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA , encyclopdia of meteorite All, Not only is www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com a great place to explore quite a few meteorite collections, it is a wonderful place to LIST YOUR OWN COLLECTION if you haven't done so already! Many articles about the need to properly catalog meteorite collections have appeared over the years, including one I wrote not long ago (see: http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm ), and the IMCA's EOM is REALLY EASY TO USE and just a great way to catalog your collection... All the best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:14 PM To: habibi abdelaziz Cc: meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA , encyclopdia of meteorite Hi Aziz and List, I agree. The Encyclopedia of Meteorites is the world's best way to explore some of the most interesting private meteorite collections. I wish all institutions holding meteorites had an online interface open to the public like the Encyclopedia. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG On 12/5/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: bravo, l'imca pour ce travail magnefique; i didnt see that's huge job there is a long time and i see this is 3 days i can't close my labtop; full of photo of everything collection ,images; wow, we coundn't found better place to spend a good time, our work is gratified when you see all those beautyfull photos again barvo aziz habibi font style=BACKGROUND-COLOR:#40; face=comic sans mshabibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
