Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take themfor granite!
Hello, only a short note regarding the NWAs from Morocco (because I have an instable internet connection at the moment.) There aren't any laws, regarding ownership, export or hunting of meteorites in Morocco. That was also realized on the desert workshop of MetSoc in Casablanca, 2006. Should be easily found online too, because it was also published in a report about the workshop in MAPS. Just google. So fears, if some curators have such in that respect, I'd say, are unnecessary. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Grossman Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Februar 2010 21:24 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take themfor granite! Darryl is definitely on the right track. It is not the country of final export that is an issue for many museums. It is the history of the specimen before that, tracing back to the point of origin. The uncertainty over whether a meteorite may have been removed illegally from a country, or removed from a country under trade restrictions, is the problem. Museums are incredibly sensitive about such issues. Basically, for most NWAs, they worry that they do not know who the real legal owner is. Jeff On 2010-02-12 3:01 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: > One just has to take into account where the rumors originated and for what purpose. I will leave it alone at that as Martin has done a thorough job explaining this . The bottom line is that this issue was brought up in a public forum in Morocco itself and no laws prohibiting the export of meteorites were forthcoming. Besides, NWA material is in just about every type specimen repository in the world and in several prominent natural history museums. > > Adam > > > > > - Original Message > From: Darryl Pitt > To: Adam Hupe > Cc: Adam > Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:47:48 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! > > > > MmhmmI highly doubt the Smithsonian is unable to make a determination of law or conducts business by prevailing rumors. > > Anyway.. > > Good weekend / d, > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: > > >> Hi Darryl and List, >> >> I do not know why the Smithsonian seems to have a problem with NWA, you will have to ask them. I do know they have accepted some NWA material into there collection as a donation. I asked two different curators and got two varying opinions nether of which suggested they were illegal. It may be that they are overly cautious, cannot find any laws regarding them or simply listen to rumors. A simple call to the Moroccan embassy should straighten it out. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> From: Darryl Pitt >> To: Adam Hupe >> Cc: Adam >> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:04:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! >> >> >> Hi Adam >> >> Hoping all is well... >> >> If the issue below was as clear-cut as suggested, why then does Smithsonian policy prohibit the acquisition of planetary NWAs? My impression, and I could be mistaken, is that the country of export (Morocco) is less relevant than the countries in the NWA corridor from where said objects were first recovered. >> >> Anyway. >> >> All best / Darryl >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: >> >> >>> It makes no difference whatsoever whether a meteorite is classified or not when originating from Northwest Africa as far as legalities go. People who spread the rumor that the export of meteorites from Morocco are illegal seem to have an agenda. A dealer once tried to make it so you needed a special permit but this failed. I believe this was to get an exclusive on material coming out of NWA as this would have served as an effective roadblock to others. >>> >>> The truth is simple: It is completely legal to obtain meteorites from Morocco, period! >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message >>> From: Carl 's >>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 9:33:18 AM >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! >>> >>> >>> Hi Adam, Carl, Peter, All, >>> >>> That's strange. This is the second time in three weeks I've heard the NWAs were illegal. At least I think what was meant was the unclassified NWAs are. Adam, would that make any difference? >>> >>> Carl2 >>> >>> >>> Adam wrote: >>> NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not >>> present any problem whatsoever... >>> >>> Carl E. wrote: >>> With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? >>> "dangers of the NWA market."?... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _
[meteorite-list] Tamdakht
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[meteorite-list] Mars Express Images: Craters Young and Old in Sirenum Fossae
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMJLFSJR4G_0.html Mars Express Craters young and old in Sirenum Fossae European Space Agency 3 February 2010 The Mars Express High Resolution Stereo Camera has imaged craters both young and old in this view of the Southern Highlands of Mars. [Image] Sirenum Fossae Part of the Sirenum Fossae region in the Southern Highlands, the area in this image is centred at about 28°S / 185°E. The image captures an area to the north of the Magelhaens Crater. It extends some 230 km by 127 km and covers about 29 450 sq km, roughly the size of Belgium. The image resolution is approximately 29 metres per pixel. [Image} Perspective view of Sirenum Fossae Sirenum Fossae extends for more than 2500 km to the southwest of the Tharsis volcanic region, which contains Olympus Mons, the highest volcano in our Solar System. Sirenum Fossae is a system of grabens, formed by stresses placed on the crust during the uprising of the Tharsis region. A graben is visible as two sets of parallel lines running from top to bottom to the left of centre. [Image] Sirenum Fossae's central plateau The Southern Highlands are older than the Northern Lowlands, based on the larger number of impact craters seen to cover the region. Craters of 50 km in diameter are common in this area and have usually suffered from erosion, indicating they were formed during ancient times. [Image] Notable features in the Sirenum Fossae region of Mars. There is an impact crater with a diameter of about 28 km to the left of the image. In contrast to other craters in its vicinity, it has experienced less erosion â its crater rim and central peak are still preserved. There are three other craters nearby: to the west is a large crater with a diameter of 56 km, to the northeast one that stretches 34 km across and a smaller crater of only 9 km diameter to the south. [Image] Craters in the Sirenum Fossae region of Mars On the basis of their appearances, the craters can be placed in age order. The largest two are the oldest because they have been partially destroyed by the mid-sized crater. The smallest is the youngest because it has impacted into the rim of the mid-sized crater. [Image] Elevation of the Sirenum Fossae region in the Southern Highlands of Mars. In the central part of the image, a plateau is recognisable and shows evidence of further erosion. In particular, there is a broad valley system on the western slope. [Image] Part of the Sirenum Fossae region in high resolution. [Image] Part of the Sirenum Fossae region in 3D. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Express: Auspicious Orbit Marks Run-up to Phobos Flyby
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMDUGSJR4G_0.html Auspicious orbit marks run-up to Phobos flyby European Space Agency 29 January 2010 On 26 January, Mars Express completed its th orbit around the Red Planet, an auspicious milestone as the satellite is readied for the closest-ever flyby of Phobos, scheduled for just a few weeks from now. Mars Express has been in orbit since 25 December 2003, returning a wealth of scientific information and some of the most stunning high-resolution imagery of the Red Planet ever. Its data have allowed scientists to measure the abundance of water ice and vapour in the martian subsurface, surface and the atmosphere, as well as previously unknown methane in the atmosphere. This week, the orbiter completed circuits of the planet and continues to operate flawlessly. Currently, each orbit takes 6 hours and 54 minutes. The spacecraft is following a polar orbit, and at closest approach passes just 350 km above the surface of Mars and, at farthest approach, 10 300 km. Closest-ever Phobos flyby This highly elliptical orbit will enable Mars Express, on 3 March, to conduct the closest flyby and examination of Phobos, Mars' largest moon. The flyby, at a planned altitude of just 50 km, will collect very precise radio Doppler data to help determine the moon's gravity field more accurately than ever. Mars Express imaged the martian moons Phobos and Deimos together on 5 November 2009 This close flyby will be bracketed by similarly close passages, which will be used for other scientific investigations including radar sounding and imaging. Knowing the gravity field will help scientists to understand the distribution of mass inside the moon, which is another step in the quest to discover the origin of Phobos. None of the other spacecraft now orbiting Mars can fly as close to Phobos. While Mars is the mission's primary target, this flyby is an excellent opportunity for additional scientific investigation of the Mars system, and will boost overall science return. This Phobos flyby is combined with a sequence of precise orbit manoeuvres planned in February and March. They will increase the orbit duration to almost exactly 7 hours, in order to improve the Sun illumination of the ground track pictured by the spacecraft for many years to come. Mars Express is scheduled to operate until 2012; a further extension to 2014 will be assessed this year. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: February 8-12, 2010
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES February 8-12, 2010 o Tithonium Chasma (08 February 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100208a o Coprates Chasma (09 February 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100209a o Coprates Catena (10 February 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100210a o Dark Slope Streaks (11 February 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100211a o Dunes (12 February 2010) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20100212a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spirit Finishes Pre-Winter Drives
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-045 Spirit Finishes Pre-Winter Drives Jet Propulsion Laboratory February 11, 2010 NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit is now parked for the winter. The rover team is commanding Spirit this week to make additional preparations for the Mars southern hemisphere winter season. The team does not plan further motion of the wheels until spring comes to Spirit's location beside the western edge of a low plateau called Home Plate. On Sol 2169 (Feb. 8, 2010), the rover's last drive before winter changed the angles of its suspension system, but it did not produce a hoped-for improvement to the overall tilt of the solar array for catching winter sunshine. Drives since Sol 2145 (Jan. 15, 2010) moved Spirit 34 centimeters (13 inches) south-southeastward. However, a counterclockwise yawing of the rover during the drives prevented it from reducing its southerly tilt. Spirit will spend the coming winter tilted 9 degrees toward the south, an unfavorable attitude for the solar panels to catch rays from the sun in the northern sky. Spirit's parking positions for its previous three Martian winters tilted northward. Engineers anticipate that, due to the unfavorable tilt for this fourth winter, Spirit will be out of communication with Earth for several months. Spirit may enter a low-power hibernation mode within a few weeks, shutting down almost all functions except keeping a master clock running and checking its power status periodically until it has enough power to reawaken. It may go in and out of this mode a few times at the beginning and at the end of an extended hibernation period. This week the rover team is uploading schedules to Spirit for when to communicate with Earth or with the orbiting Mars Odyssey during the rest of this year and into 2011. Spirit will use these schedules whenever it has adequate power to wake up. Spirit will take a set of "before" images of surroundings from the parked position this week, for comparison with images in the Martian spring to study effects of wind. Images toward the south will also aid preparations for possible future drives, although, with only four of its six wheels still working, the rover is not expected to move farther than short repositioning drives. Other preparations for winter will include putting the robotic arm into a position for studies of atmospheric composition when power is available and changing the stow positions of the high-gain antenna and panoramic camera to minimize shadowing of the solar panels. Spirit is more than six years into a mission originally planned for three months on Mars. Its twin, Opportunity, is exploring an area halfway around the planet and closer to the equator, where that rover does not need to park for the winter. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2010-045 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
I guess we will have to take the Moroccans at their word to where they were found; innocent until proven guilty, at least in the U.S. The only bordering country with possible new laws on the books is Algeria. I know that this border is very well protected these days so only a fraction may still be coming through. Our group was in touch with a diplomat for Algeria so I do know they started to take an interest in meteorites about 5 or 6 years ago. They were hoping that the proceeds from meteorite sales could help them to open a museum. This would have been a great cause but the logistics just didn't work out. Western Sahara is under Moroccan rule so I do not see a problem there. All this means to me is that the majority of this material is coming from countries that do not have laws concerning them. The only questionable surrounding country being Algeria. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WISE Spies a Comet with its Powerful Infrared Eye
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-046 WISE Spies a Comet with its Powerful Infrared Eye Jet Propulsion Laboratory February 11, 2010 NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE, has discovered its first comet, one of many the mission is expected to find among millions of other objects during its ongoing survey of the whole sky in infrared light. Officially named "P/2010 B2 (WISE)," but known simply as WISE, the comet is a dusty mass of ice more than 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) in diameter. It probably formed around the same time as our solar system, about 4.5 billion years ago. Comet WISE started out in the cold, dark reaches of our solar system, but after a long history of getting knocked around by the gravitational forces of Jupiter, it settled into an orbit much closer to the sun. Right now, the comet is heading away from the sun and is about 175 million kilometers (109 million miles) from Earth. "Comets are ancient reservoirs of water. They are one of the few places besides Earth in the inner solar system where water is known to exist," said Amy Mainzer of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. Mainzer is the principal investigator of NEOWISE, a project to find and catalog new asteroids and comets spotted by WISE (the acronym combines WISE with NEO, the shorthand for near-Earth object). "With WISE, we have a powerful tool to find new comets and learn more about the population as a whole. Water is necessary for life as we know it, and comets can tell us more about how much there is in our solar system." The WISE telescope, which launched into a polar orbit around Earth on Dec. 14, 2009, is expected to discover anywhere from a few to dozens of new comets, in addition to hundreds of thousands of asteroids. Comets are harder to find than asteroids because they are much more rare in the inner solar system. Whereas asteroids tour around in the "main belt" between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, large numbers of comets orbit farther away, in the icy outer reaches of our solar system. Both asteroids and comets can fall into orbits that bring them close to Earth's path around the sun. Most of these "near-Earth objects" are asteroids but some are comets. WISE is expected to find new near-Earth comets, and this will give us a better idea of how threatening they might be to Earth. "It is very unlikely that a comet will hit Earth," said James Bauer, a scientist at JPL working on the WISE project, "But, in the rare chance that one did, it could be dangerous. The new discoveries from WISE will give us more precise statistics about the probability of such an event, and how powerful an impact it might yield." The space telescope spotted the comet during its routine scan of the sky on January 22. Sophisticated software plucked the comet out from the stream of images pouring down from space by looking for objects that move quickly relative to background stars. The comet discovery was followed up by a combination of professional and amateur astronomers using telescopes across the United States. A teacher also teamed up with an observer to measure comet WISE using a home-built telescope next to a cornfield in Illinois. Their research is part of the International Astronomical Search Collaboration, an education program that helps teachers and students observe comets and asteroids (more information is online at http://iasc.hsutx.edu/). All the data are catalogued at the Minor Planet Center, in Cambridge, Mass., the worldwide clearinghouse for all observations and orbits of minor planets and comets. Comet WISE takes 4.7 years to circle the sun, with its farthest point being about 4 astronomical units away, and its closest point being 1.6 astronomical units (near the orbit of Mars). An astronomical unit is the distance between Earth and the sun. Heat from the sun causes gas and dust to blow off the comet, resulting in a dusty coma, or shell, and a tail. Though this particular body is actively shedding dust, WISE is also expected to find dark, dead comets. Once a comet has taken many trips around the sun, its icy components erode away, leaving only a dark, rocky core. Not much is known about these objects because they are hard to see in visible light. WISE's infrared sight should be able to pick up the feeble glow of some of these dark comets, answering questions about precisely how and where they form. "Dead comets can be darker than coal," said Mainzer. "But in infrared light, they will pop into view. One question we want to answer with WISE is how many dead comets make up the near-Earth object population." The mission will spend the next eight months mapping the sky one-and-a-half times. A first batch of data will be available to the public in the spring of 2011, and the final catalog a year later. Selected images and findings will be released throughout the mission. JPL manages the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The p
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
Darryl is definitely on the right track. It is not the country of final export that is an issue for many museums. It is the history of the specimen before that, tracing back to the point of origin. The uncertainty over whether a meteorite may have been removed illegally from a country, or removed from a country under trade restrictions, is the problem. Museums are incredibly sensitive about such issues. Basically, for most NWAs, they worry that they do not know who the real legal owner is. Jeff On 2010-02-12 3:01 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: One just has to take into account where the rumors originated and for what purpose. I will leave it alone at that as Martin has done a thorough job explaining this . The bottom line is that this issue was brought up in a public forum in Morocco itself and no laws prohibiting the export of meteorites were forthcoming. Besides, NWA material is in just about every type specimen repository in the world and in several prominent natural history museums. Adam - Original Message From: Darryl Pitt To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:47:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! MmhmmI highly doubt the Smithsonian is unable to make a determination of law or conducts business by prevailing rumors. Anyway.. Good weekend / d, On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: Hi Darryl and List, I do not know why the Smithsonian seems to have a problem with NWA, you will have to ask them. I do know they have accepted some NWA material into there collection as a donation. I asked two different curators and got two varying opinions nether of which suggested they were illegal. It may be that they are overly cautious, cannot find any laws regarding them or simply listen to rumors. A simple call to the Moroccan embassy should straighten it out. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Darryl Pitt To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:04:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Hi Adam Hoping all is well... If the issue below was as clear-cut as suggested, why then does Smithsonian policy prohibit the acquisition of planetary NWAs? My impression, and I could be mistaken, is that the country of export (Morocco) is less relevant than the countries in the NWA corridor from where said objects were first recovered. Anyway. All best / Darryl On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: It makes no difference whatsoever whether a meteorite is classified or not when originating from Northwest Africa as far as legalities go. People who spread the rumor that the export of meteorites from Morocco are illegal seem to have an agenda. A dealer once tried to make it so you needed a special permit but this failed. I believe this was to get an exclusive on material coming out of NWA as this would have served as an effective roadblock to others. The truth is simple: It is completely legal to obtain meteorites from Morocco, period! All the best, Adam - Original Message From: Carl 's To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 9:33:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Hi Adam, Carl, Peter, All, That's strange. This is the second time in three weeks I've heard the NWAs were illegal. At least I think what was meant was the unclassified NWAs are. Adam, would that make any difference? Carl2 Adam wrote: NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not present any problem whatsoever... Carl E. wrote: With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? "dangers of the NWA market."?... _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
One just has to take into account where the rumors originated and for what purpose. I will leave it alone at that as Martin has done a thorough job explaining this . The bottom line is that this issue was brought up in a public forum in Morocco itself and no laws prohibiting the export of meteorites were forthcoming. Besides, NWA material is in just about every type specimen repository in the world and in several prominent natural history museums. Adam - Original Message From: Darryl Pitt To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:47:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! MmhmmI highly doubt the Smithsonian is unable to make a determination of law or conducts business by prevailing rumors. Anyway.. Good weekend / d, On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: > Hi Darryl and List, > > I do not know why the Smithsonian seems to have a problem with NWA, you will > have to ask them. I do know they have accepted some NWA material into there > collection as a donation. I asked two different curators and got two varying > opinions nether of which suggested they were illegal. It may be that they > are overly cautious, cannot find any laws regarding them or simply listen to > rumors. A simple call to the Moroccan embassy should straighten it out. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > > > > > > - Original Message > From: Darryl Pitt > To: Adam Hupe > Cc: Adam > Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:04:55 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for > granite! > > > Hi Adam > > Hoping all is well... > > If the issue below was as clear-cut as suggested, why then does Smithsonian > policy prohibit the acquisition of planetary NWAs? My impression, and I > could be mistaken, is that the country of export (Morocco) is less relevant > than the countries in the NWA corridor from where said objects were first > recovered. > > Anyway. > > All best / Darryl > > > > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: > >> It makes no difference whatsoever whether a meteorite is classified or not >> when originating from Northwest Africa as far as legalities go. People who >> spread the rumor that the export of meteorites from Morocco are illegal seem >> to have an agenda. A dealer once tried to make it so you needed a special >> permit but this failed. I believe this was to get an exclusive on material >> coming out of NWA as this would have served as an effective roadblock to >> others. >> >> The truth is simple: It is completely legal to obtain meteorites from >> Morocco, period! >> >> All the best, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> From: Carl 's >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 9:33:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for >> granite! >> >> >> Hi Adam, Carl, Peter, All, >> >> That's strange. This is the second time in three weeks I've heard the NWAs >> were illegal. At least I think what was meant was the unclassified NWAs are. >> Adam, would that make any difference? >> >> Carl2 >> >> >> Adam wrote: >>> NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not >> present any problem whatsoever... >> >> Carl E. wrote: >>> With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? >> "dangers of the NWA market."?... >> >> >> >> >> _ >> Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
MmhmmI highly doubt the Smithsonian is unable to make a determination of law or conducts business by prevailing rumors. Anyway.. Good weekend / d, On Feb 12, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: Hi Darryl and List, I do not know why the Smithsonian seems to have a problem with NWA, you will have to ask them. I do know they have accepted some NWA material into there collection as a donation. I asked two different curators and got two varying opinions nether of which suggested they were illegal. It may be that they are overly cautious, cannot find any laws regarding them or simply listen to rumors. A simple call to the Moroccan embassy should straighten it out. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Darryl Pitt To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:04:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Hi Adam Hoping all is well... If the issue below was as clear-cut as suggested, why then does Smithsonian policy prohibit the acquisition of planetary NWAs? My impression, and I could be mistaken, is that the country of export (Morocco) is less relevant than the countries in the NWA corridor from where said objects were first recovered. Anyway. All best / Darryl On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: It makes no difference whatsoever whether a meteorite is classified or not when originating from Northwest Africa as far as legalities go. People who spread the rumor that the export of meteorites from Morocco are illegal seem to have an agenda. A dealer once tried to make it so you needed a special permit but this failed. I believe this was to get an exclusive on material coming out of NWA as this would have served as an effective roadblock to others. The truth is simple: It is completely legal to obtain meteorites from Morocco, period! All the best, Adam - Original Message From: Carl 's To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 9:33:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Hi Adam, Carl, Peter, All, That's strange. This is the second time in three weeks I've heard the NWAs were illegal. At least I think what was meant was the unclassified NWAs are. Adam, would that make any difference? Carl2 Adam wrote: NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not present any problem whatsoever... Carl E. wrote: With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? "dangers of the NWA market."?... _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nevada Meteorites Hunt page update " Driving Across Texas with nowhere to go."
Hi List, I've added a new story on my web site under the Meteorite Hunts page. "Driving across Texas with nowhere to go" It is one of my hunting trips with Rob Reisener and Skip Wilson. As I get time, I will adding a few more meteorite hunting stories. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/METEORITE_HUNTS.html www.nevadameteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
Hi Darryl and List, I do not know why the Smithsonian seems to have a problem with NWA, you will have to ask them. I do know they have accepted some NWA material into there collection as a donation. I asked two different curators and got two varying opinions nether of which suggested they were illegal. It may be that they are overly cautious, cannot find any laws regarding them or simply listen to rumors. A simple call to the Moroccan embassy should straighten it out. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Darryl Pitt To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:04:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Hi Adam Hoping all is well... If the issue below was as clear-cut as suggested, why then does Smithsonian policy prohibit the acquisition of planetary NWAs? My impression, and I could be mistaken, is that the country of export (Morocco) is less relevant than the countries in the NWA corridor from where said objects were first recovered. Anyway. All best / Darryl On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: > It makes no difference whatsoever whether a meteorite is classified or not > when originating from Northwest Africa as far as legalities go. People who > spread the rumor that the export of meteorites from Morocco are illegal seem > to have an agenda. A dealer once tried to make it so you needed a special > permit but this failed. I believe this was to get an exclusive on material > coming out of NWA as this would have served as an effective roadblock to > others. > > The truth is simple: It is completely legal to obtain meteorites from > Morocco, period! > > All the best, > > Adam > > > > > > > > > - Original Message > From: Carl 's > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 9:33:18 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for > granite! > > > Hi Adam, Carl, Peter, All, > > That's strange. This is the second time in three weeks I've heard the NWAs > were illegal. At least I think what was meant was the unclassified NWAs are. > Adam, would that make any difference? > > Carl2 > > > Adam wrote: >> NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not > present any problem whatsoever... > > Carl E. wrote: >> With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? > "dangers of the NWA market."?... > > > > > _ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
Hi Adam Hoping all is well... If the issue below was as clear-cut as suggested, why then does Smithsonian policy prohibit the acquisition of planetary NWAs? My impression, and I could be mistaken, is that the country of export (Morocco) is less relevant than the countries in the NWA corridor from where said objects were first recovered. Anyway. All best / Darryl On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: It makes no difference whatsoever whether a meteorite is classified or not when originating from Northwest Africa as far as legalities go. People who spread the rumor that the export of meteorites from Morocco are illegal seem to have an agenda. A dealer once tried to make it so you needed a special permit but this failed. I believe this was to get an exclusive on material coming out of NWA as this would have served as an effective roadblock to others. The truth is simple: It is completely legal to obtain meteorites from Morocco, period! All the best, Adam - Original Message From: Carl 's To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 9:33:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Hi Adam, Carl, Peter, All, That's strange. This is the second time in three weeks I've heard the NWAs were illegal. At least I think what was meant was the unclassified NWAs are. Adam, would that make any difference? Carl2 Adam wrote: NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not present any problem whatsoever... Carl E. wrote: With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? "dangers of the NWA market."?... _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson '10 + Raise a Glass for Sikhote-Alin + [AD]
Dear Sikhote-Alin: Happy birthday to my all-time favorite meteorite. 63 years old today and not looking a day older than 4.6 billion. For those of you still in Tucson, please stop by our room this evening around 6 pm for a wine and cheese toast to that most lovely of IIAB irons: http://www.aerolite.org/events/tucson/tucson-meteorite-dealer.htm Anne Black and I will begin the awesome task of packing up our stock sometime tomorrow afternoon, but we are still open for business, so it's your last chance to take an Impactika / Aerolite meteorite home with you. And I am in a dealing mood : ) so don't miss out on a great bargain. We have lovely full slices of the new Coffeyville, KS find at only $1.80/gram, a stunning new LL3.8 with dual lithology, a new CV3 at a bargain price, Anne is the exclusive vendor for the amazing new Almahat Sitta, and -- of course -- lots and lots of beautiful Sikhote- Alins, Monnig and AML pieces. Oh, and I forgot to mention the Niniger Canyon Diablos with original numbers : ) Stop by and say hello or goodbye. Cheers from us, Geoff & Anne Aerolite - Impactika Room 230 InnSuites / Hotel Tucson City Center LAST SHOW DAY IS SATURDAY __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas?
Any word on the "crater"? There's no new news on it other than to thought it was a Russian spy satellite crashing to Earth, and then another report supposedly ruled that out. Other reports are saying it never happened and there's no seismic data suggesting an event of this magnitude. Any ideas, news? Regards, Eric On 2/11/2010 1:04 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Interesting that reports of a 30 meter crater was created, but USGS real time earthquake reporting doesn't show any event near the reported impact site... One would imagine such an impact would have set off the seismometers, no? Patiently waiting for video... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Darren Garrison wrote: From: Darren Garrison Subject: [meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 12:41 PM http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/11/breaking-mexican-meteorite-impact/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
It makes no difference whatsoever whether a meteorite is classified or not when originating from Northwest Africa as far as legalities go. People who spread the rumor that the export of meteorites from Morocco are illegal seem to have an agenda. A dealer once tried to make it so you needed a special permit but this failed. I believe this was to get an exclusive on material coming out of NWA as this would have served as an effective roadblock to others. The truth is simple: It is completely legal to obtain meteorites from Morocco, period! All the best, Adam - Original Message From: Carl 's To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 9:33:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Hi Adam, Carl, Peter, All, That's strange. This is the second time in three weeks I've heard the NWAs were illegal. At least I think what was meant was the unclassified NWAs are. Adam, would that make any difference? Carl2 Adam wrote: >NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not present any problem whatsoever... Carl E. wrote: >With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? "dangers of the NWA market."?... _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
Hi Adam, Carl, Peter, All, That's strange. This is the second time in three weeks I've heard the NWAs were illegal. At least I think what was meant was the unclassified NWAs are. Adam, would that make any difference? Carl2 Adam wrote: >NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not present any problem whatsoever... Carl E. wrote: >With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? "dangers of the NWA market."?... _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Listory of the World, Part One
I'll have what she's having. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Sans Saharacis wrote: > The Listory of the World, Part One. > > > In the beginning, there was darkness and there were no meteorites. > > Then, a voice split the darkness and it said - "let there be light." > > An infinite lighted display case appeared, and it glowed like a > beacon, banishing the darkness. > > The display case appeared lonely, so the voice said "let there be meteorites." > > And the display case was filled with a bounty of chondrites, irons, > and planetaries, lovely and pristine. > > But still the display and its contents were lonely and incomplete. > > So, the voice said "let there be collectors." > > And a throng appeared of men, women and creatures. The throng > gathered around the display case and they did worship it. > > The throng spoke in all languages and they raised praise unto the > meteorites, but they could not communicate with each other. > > At last, the voice said "let there be the Met List" > > And suddenly, the voices of the meteorite worshippers could be heard > and understood by all of the peoples around the world. > > The collectors praised the creator and they gave blessings unto his name - > Art. > > Many aeons passed and the world of the List was peaceful and all > collectors co-existed in harmony. > > Over the long years, there arose a great community of many colors and > customs, and they did thrive. > > Amongst the community there came scribes and the spirit of Art went > into them and told them to witness the collectors. > > The spirit told the scribes to take account of the peoples of the List > and know them, and to label them, and to weigh them. > > The spirit commanded - "You will put this account of the peoples to > writing, so that the newbies may understand the ways of the List." > > And so the scribes descended deep into the abyss of the List Archives > and they did read, and read, and read. > > The scribes learned the ways of the multitude of peoples on the List > and this is their story. > > > > Hereafter is the record of the First Scribe : Aerolitis Onepointoh > > The first tribe of the List is the Ancients. They existed from the > moment of the List creation. They are old, wise, wealthy, and > loquacious. > > The Ancients existed in the days before the hot deserts and internets > - they did write letters, exchange paper catalogues and send checks. > > After many centuries, the Ancients became disquieted and they yearned > for lunaites and martians. They called out for Art. > > But Art was not moved, and the Ancients continued to seek guidance, so > a prophet arose among them and his name was The Hagg. > > The Hagg was mighty and his locks put Samson's to shame - he traversed > the Earth and found many meteorites, which he gave glory to. > > In time, the Hagg's display case rivaled that of the creator, so a > dark power rose in opposition to him - to maintain universal balance. > > This dark power was wealthy and his reach was vast. His mouth spewed > blasphemies, smoke, and falsehoods. His collection grew. > > The Ancients became disquieted again and they began to make noise on > the List - denouncing the dark one they called Kasper. War stirred. > > Destiny brought the Hagg and the Kasper together on Nullarbor Plain > and they fought for dominion over meteorites. The ground shook and > bolides shot the sky. > > In the end, the Hagg emerged victorious and the Kasper was cast down > into that infernal pit - eBay. The Ancients rejoiced and the List was > prosperous. > > But intrigues and machinations were afoot in the deserts of Mother > Africa, and the List would be caught unaware by a new tribe. > > > > Hereafter is the record of the Second Scribe : Sans Saharacis > > In time, while the Ancients were distracted by petrological > differences, a new tribe quietly arose in the desert dunes of > Northwest Africa. > > This new tribe was skilled in the arts of exchange, barter, blather, > and busk. And they used the desert peoples as their agents to comb > the dunes for meteorites. > > The new tribe would inspect the bounty of the dunes and select the > finest and the most exotic for inclusion in the great display case. > > In time, this new tribe became rich with meteorites and they became > known to the Ancients of the List, who greeted them warily but warmly. > > The new tribe had powerful names which were alien - Former, > Heeyoopais, and others such as Arnold Alpha, Arnold Omega, and > Cootingspam. > > The Ancients were then surprised by the great invasion wave of > planetaries, achondrites, anomalous irons and ungrouped carbos, and > hammers. > > Indeed, the Institutions themselves opened their arms and an orgy of > wicked exchange took place as great historical artifacts were ceded > for dune rocks. > > All was upset. Up was down, down was up, rare was common and Ancients > wept as their collections were topsie-turvi
[meteorite-list] A Listory of the World, Part One
The Listory of the World, Part One. In the beginning, there was darkness and there were no meteorites. Then, a voice split the darkness and it said - "let there be light." An infinite lighted display case appeared, and it glowed like a beacon, banishing the darkness. The display case appeared lonely, so the voice said "let there be meteorites." And the display case was filled with a bounty of chondrites, irons, and planetaries, lovely and pristine. But still the display and its contents were lonely and incomplete. So, the voice said "let there be collectors." And a throng appeared of men, women and creatures. The throng gathered around the display case and they did worship it. The throng spoke in all languages and they raised praise unto the meteorites, but they could not communicate with each other. At last, the voice said "let there be the Met List" And suddenly, the voices of the meteorite worshippers could be heard and understood by all of the peoples around the world. The collectors praised the creator and they gave blessings unto his name - Art. Many aeons passed and the world of the List was peaceful and all collectors co-existed in harmony. Over the long years, there arose a great community of many colors and customs, and they did thrive. Amongst the community there came scribes and the spirit of Art went into them and told them to witness the collectors. The spirit told the scribes to take account of the peoples of the List and know them, and to label them, and to weigh them. The spirit commanded - "You will put this account of the peoples to writing, so that the newbies may understand the ways of the List." And so the scribes descended deep into the abyss of the List Archives and they did read, and read, and read. The scribes learned the ways of the multitude of peoples on the List and this is their story. Hereafter is the record of the First Scribe : Aerolitis Onepointoh The first tribe of the List is the Ancients. They existed from the moment of the List creation. They are old, wise, wealthy, and loquacious. The Ancients existed in the days before the hot deserts and internets - they did write letters, exchange paper catalogues and send checks. After many centuries, the Ancients became disquieted and they yearned for lunaites and martians. They called out for Art. But Art was not moved, and the Ancients continued to seek guidance, so a prophet arose among them and his name was The Hagg. The Hagg was mighty and his locks put Samson's to shame - he traversed the Earth and found many meteorites, which he gave glory to. In time, the Hagg's display case rivaled that of the creator, so a dark power rose in opposition to him - to maintain universal balance. This dark power was wealthy and his reach was vast. His mouth spewed blasphemies, smoke, and falsehoods. His collection grew. The Ancients became disquieted again and they began to make noise on the List - denouncing the dark one they called Kasper. War stirred. Destiny brought the Hagg and the Kasper together on Nullarbor Plain and they fought for dominion over meteorites. The ground shook and bolides shot the sky. In the end, the Hagg emerged victorious and the Kasper was cast down into that infernal pit - eBay. The Ancients rejoiced and the List was prosperous. But intrigues and machinations were afoot in the deserts of Mother Africa, and the List would be caught unaware by a new tribe. Hereafter is the record of the Second Scribe : Sans Saharacis In time, while the Ancients were distracted by petrological differences, a new tribe quietly arose in the desert dunes of Northwest Africa. This new tribe was skilled in the arts of exchange, barter, blather, and busk. And they used the desert peoples as their agents to comb the dunes for meteorites. The new tribe would inspect the bounty of the dunes and select the finest and the most exotic for inclusion in the great display case. In time, this new tribe became rich with meteorites and they became known to the Ancients of the List, who greeted them warily but warmly. The new tribe had powerful names which were alien - Former, Heeyoopais, and others such as Arnold Alpha, Arnold Omega, and Cootingspam. The Ancients were then surprised by the great invasion wave of planetaries, achondrites, anomalous irons and ungrouped carbos, and hammers. Indeed, the Institutions themselves opened their arms and an orgy of wicked exchange took place as great historical artifacts were ceded for dune rocks. All was upset. Up was down, down was up, rare was common and Ancients wept as their collections were topsie-turvied. The List rang with laments. In their despair, the Ancients accepted this new tribe of Quasi-Saharans and the great display cases swelled to new epic proportions. A new age was born. >From their castles on high, the Former, the Heeyoopais and their cohort took their place amongst the Ancients and dwelled with them, and in time, ruled them. In
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
Hi Peter and List Members, NWA material has been thoroughly checked out by several museums and does not present any problem whatsoever. The Royal Ontario Museum did their homework and now has a world class collection of NWA material because of it, while other museums have missed out on outstanding examples. The Moroccan consulate has been contacted several times and has always given the green light on meteorites. A conference was held in Casablanca and a consensuses was taken about Moroccan export laws in regards to meteorites. The consensus was that there are no laws that would prevent export. In an ever restrictive market, NWA is one of the last remaining high points where meteorites can be legally exported. The ongoing press that reports highly inflated prices could change all of this so be careful when communicating with them. I think it best to concentrate on the scientific value rather than the treasure value. If countries perceive there is great monetary value attached to meteorites, it won't be long before they are off limits. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
Carl and Debbie I realise that I may have been a bit cryptic in making this statement. But even I, comparative newcomer though I am, know a bit about the whole Algeria/Morocco/Libya contraband trade in meteorites. I have read a few articles on the Web, and spoken to dealers and collectors. As the representative of a National Museum, in other words a state-funded and run organisation, I need to absolutely sure that I do not, no matter how good the deal, buy or condone illegal collecting of meteorites (or indeed minerals and fossils). I am sure, indeed I know, the same goes for the big US Museums like the Smithsonian and the AMNH. Regards Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: cdtuc...@cox.net [mailto:cdtuc...@cox.net] Sent: 12 February 2010 15:03 To: Peter Davidson Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Peter, With all due respect to you. What on Earth is this supposed to mean? "dangers of the NWA market."? Martin is going to have a field day with this statement. This advise coming from a dealer. I can only presume it was not a NWA dealer that gave you such advise? It has been my life-long experience in business that tells me , people only tend to bad mouth people they don't do business with. It's really that simple. But again I ask. What is wrong with NWA material from your perspective? Thank you. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Peter Davidson wrote: > Darryl > > Thanks for the message. As it happens we have no material from NWA at > all. When I took over the collection, I quickly discovered that there > was no official acquisition policy for the Museum's meteorite > collection. Most large museums have policies like this which define > specific areas of interest in which curators concentrate their > acquisition activities. This usually, not unreasonably, means Scottish > material - but not exclusively so. Non-Scottish material can be acquired > for a large number of very good reasons. > > One of the tasks I have set myself for the next year is to draw up an > official acquisition policy for our meteorite collection. This will > focus on two areas, 1) Scottish material and 2) significant gaps in the > systematic collection, for instance Lunars (we have none) and NWA's > > I attend a number of Mineral Shows every year and in 2009 I was > fortunate to attend the Ensisheim Show. At these shows I take the > opportunity to ask dealers and collectors about the market. At one of > these shows, I was alerted by a dealer, who is also now a good friend, > about the dangers of the NWA market. With this in mind, I have become a > little wary about making and purchases or recommendations. If the time > comes when I can begin to make purchases for the collection, I will rely > heavily on the good a advice and experience of those dealers and > collectors I have come to trust. > > Have a great weekend > > Peter Davidson > Curator of Minerals > > National Museums Collection Centre > National Museums Scotland > 242 West Granton Road > Edinburgh > EH5 1JA > Phone: +44 131 247 4283 > p.david...@nms.ac.uk > www.nms.ac.uk > > > > -Original Message- > From: Darryl Pitt [mailto:dar...@dof3.com] > Sent: 12 February 2010 14:27 > To: Peter Davidson > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for > granite! > > > > Greetings Peter, > > Out of curiosity, does your national collection include NWAs? > > All best / Darryl > > > > On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Peter Davidson wrote: > > > Dear All > > > > It is interesting that Darren should raise this topic now. Yesterday > > afternoon (Thursday 11th), I was contacted by the BBC and asked to > > comment on this very item and also to say something about the illegal > > trade in meteorites. > > > > I also took the opportunity to inform them of the situation in Sudan > > regarding the arrest of "illegal" collectors. > > > > It goes without saying that, as a National Museum, we have to be > > absolutely certain that any purchase we make is checked out and that > > the > > vendor has legal title to the object he/she is selling - this goes for > > any potential accession whether it is a priceless antique or > > artefact, a > > piece of technology such as an old radio set or railway engine, or a > > mineral/meteorite. It would be a disaster if we were knowingly to buy > > anything that is in any way "dodgy". The result of this is that we are > > no longer approached by sellers or dealers with this type of material. > > This means that I am not that knowledgeable on the illegal trade in > > meteorites. I know it goes on - I am not blind - but I have no first > > hand experience. > > > > What this matter does show is that the media are now picking up on > > this > > trade and
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
Darryl Thanks for the message. As it happens we have no material from NWA at all. When I took over the collection, I quickly discovered that there was no official acquisition policy for the Museum's meteorite collection. Most large museums have policies like this which define specific areas of interest in which curators concentrate their acquisition activities. This usually, not unreasonably, means Scottish material - but not exclusively so. Non-Scottish material can be acquired for a large number of very good reasons. One of the tasks I have set myself for the next year is to draw up an official acquisition policy for our meteorite collection. This will focus on two areas, 1) Scottish material and 2) significant gaps in the systematic collection, for instance Lunars (we have none) and NWA's I attend a number of Mineral Shows every year and in 2009 I was fortunate to attend the Ensisheim Show. At these shows I take the opportunity to ask dealers and collectors about the market. At one of these shows, I was alerted by a dealer, who is also now a good friend, about the dangers of the NWA market. With this in mind, I have become a little wary about making and purchases or recommendations. If the time comes when I can begin to make purchases for the collection, I will rely heavily on the good a advice and experience of those dealers and collectors I have come to trust. Have a great weekend Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: Darryl Pitt [mailto:dar...@dof3.com] Sent: 12 February 2010 14:27 To: Peter Davidson Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! Greetings Peter, Out of curiosity, does your national collection include NWAs? All best / Darryl On Feb 12, 2010, at 4:27 AM, Peter Davidson wrote: > Dear All > > It is interesting that Darren should raise this topic now. Yesterday > afternoon (Thursday 11th), I was contacted by the BBC and asked to > comment on this very item and also to say something about the illegal > trade in meteorites. > > I also took the opportunity to inform them of the situation in Sudan > regarding the arrest of "illegal" collectors. > > It goes without saying that, as a National Museum, we have to be > absolutely certain that any purchase we make is checked out and that > the > vendor has legal title to the object he/she is selling - this goes for > any potential accession whether it is a priceless antique or > artefact, a > piece of technology such as an old radio set or railway engine, or a > mineral/meteorite. It would be a disaster if we were knowingly to buy > anything that is in any way "dodgy". The result of this is that we are > no longer approached by sellers or dealers with this type of material. > This means that I am not that knowledgeable on the illegal trade in > meteorites. I know it goes on - I am not blind - but I have no first > hand experience. > > What this matter does show is that the media are now picking up on > this > trade and raising awareness of it to a new level. Much like they did > with the illegal collecting and trading in fossils and minerals. It > will > never stop it, but it does make everyone in the business, or it > should, > a little more wary. > > Have a great weekend > > Peter Davidson > Curator of Minerals > > National Museums Collection Centre > National Museums Scotland > 242 West Granton Road > Edinburgh > EH5 1JA > Phone: +44 131 247 4283 > p.david...@nms.ac.uk > www.nms.ac.uk > > > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of > Darren > Garrison > Sent: 11 February 2010 19:45 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for > granite! > > http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHt4NoeWwYXIjlcyAaDow > vFEK-FA > > Russia nabs meteorite smuggling ring > > (AFP) - 7 hours ago > > MOSCOW - Amid a huge bounty of contraband goods seized recently at a > Russian > airport, one far-out find floored customs officials: chunks of > meteorite. > > "On the customs declaration, the smugglers identified it as granite > for > construction and decoration of office space," Larisa Ledovskikh, a > spokeswoman > for customs at Moscow's Domodedovo airport, told AFP on Thursday. > > "But our officials could see it was clearly not granite!" > > The two smugglers -- who also tried to ship out silver antiques, > fossils, > semi-precious stones, microscopes and old books in the suspect cargo > -- > were > initially charged with making a false declaration on their customs > form. > > Only after a three-month investigation did officials discover that the > mystery > lumps were fragments from outer space and the men part of a larger
Re: [meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas?
Hi Folks, On another List, I heard a local man report that a large fireball was seen in rural Mexico in April of 2009. According to his report, meteorites were found, including one which is embedded in a tree. But, meaningful details were sketchy. The man who reported it claimed that he was going to the impact site soon and would report back. Best regards, MikeG On 2/12/10, Marco Langbroek wrote: > > Doubts are now being raised about there being any crater or impact damage. > See > Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy blog for a summary: > > http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/11/breaking-mexican-meteorite-impact/ > > Also, I want to point out right ahead that the suggestion that this was a > piece > of the Russian Kosmos 2421 satellite coming down is NOT correct. See: > > http://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2010/02/mexican-impactfireball-event-is-not-due.html > > - Marco > > - > Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek > Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) > > e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl > http://www.dmsweb.org > http://www.marcolangbroek.nl > - > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Seeking info on the Salla Meteorite
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/docs/mb31.pdf Jarmo Moilanens english site seem to be under construction, but at least you can find some pics from the finnish site. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/docs/mb31.pdf http://www.somerikko.net/meteoriitit/salla.html Think, Jarmo may have also the english site, so you can ask it from him, if you don´t get it, just ask a translation from me. take care, pekka s Mike Bandli kirjoitti: Dear List: I am doing a short write-up on the Salla meteorite and have found several old Met-list posts suggesting that Salla may have been a witnessed fall from the 19th Century. I am looking for any articles or publications that support this idea or where the idea originally came from. Thanks for your help! --- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archiveshtml Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2681 - Release Date: 02/11/10 09:35:00 -- Pekka Savolainen Solar Gems Jokiharjuntie 4 FI-71330 Rasala FINLAND member of IMCA #5776 www.imca.cc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February11, 2010
The Kid has a talent. Sign him up! -- From: "Linton Rohr" Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:33 PM To: "Greg Hupe" Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February11, 2010 Very cool, Greg! That would have amazing even without finding any NEO's, but to find three? Wow! Glad you got the chance to go. Kudos to Richard! By the way, are any of these heading for my back yard? Linton http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_11_2010.html __ Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas?
Doubts are now being raised about there being any crater or impact damage. See Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy blog for a summary: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/11/breaking-mexican-meteorite-impact/ Also, I want to point out right ahead that the suggestion that this was a piece of the Russian Kosmos 2421 satellite coming down is NOT correct. See: http://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/2010/02/mexican-impactfireball-event-is-not-due.html - Marco - Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl http://www.dmsweb.org http://www.marcolangbroek.nl - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
Dear All It is interesting that Darren should raise this topic now. Yesterday afternoon (Thursday 11th), I was contacted by the BBC and asked to comment on this very item and also to say something about the illegal trade in meteorites. I also took the opportunity to inform them of the situation in Sudan regarding the arrest of "illegal" collectors. It goes without saying that, as a National Museum, we have to be absolutely certain that any purchase we make is checked out and that the vendor has legal title to the object he/she is selling - this goes for any potential accession whether it is a priceless antique or artefact, a piece of technology such as an old radio set or railway engine, or a mineral/meteorite. It would be a disaster if we were knowingly to buy anything that is in any way "dodgy". The result of this is that we are no longer approached by sellers or dealers with this type of material. This means that I am not that knowledgeable on the illegal trade in meteorites. I know it goes on - I am not blind - but I have no first hand experience. What this matter does show is that the media are now picking up on this trade and raising awareness of it to a new level. Much like they did with the illegal collecting and trading in fossils and minerals. It will never stop it, but it does make everyone in the business, or it should, a little more wary. Have a great weekend Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: 11 February 2010 19:45 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite! http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHt4NoeWwYXIjlcyAaDow vFEK-FA Russia nabs meteorite smuggling ring (AFP) - 7 hours ago MOSCOW - Amid a huge bounty of contraband goods seized recently at a Russian airport, one far-out find floored customs officials: chunks of meteorite. "On the customs declaration, the smugglers identified it as granite for construction and decoration of office space," Larisa Ledovskikh, a spokeswoman for customs at Moscow's Domodedovo airport, told AFP on Thursday. "But our officials could see it was clearly not granite!" The two smugglers -- who also tried to ship out silver antiques, fossils, semi-precious stones, microscopes and old books in the suspect cargo -- were initially charged with making a false declaration on their customs form. Only after a three-month investigation did officials discover that the mystery lumps were fragments from outer space and the men part of a larger crime ring including experts and scientists, Ledovskikh said. "They were part of an organized criminal gang. They had worked out a plan in advance to smuggle out of Russian territory and to the Czech Republic... two meteorite chunks, each weighing 100 grams," she said. The two men were arrested on Sunday and charged with contraband, a sentence that carries a maximum of 12 years in prison in Russia. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matter Arising - Last Post
Dear Count and List Members Thank you for those kind words. A body like the membership of the MetList should be a rich tapestry of many colours and textures, and not a bland, boring monotone. There is a place for all people and voices - long may it continue. Can I also take the liberty of sending my greetings to your wife Joan. We Scots do get around. The village of Luss is on the shores of Loch Lomond, one of the most beautiful and famous of the Scottish lochs. It was also the setting for many years, and maybe Joan can remember it, of a Scottish Soap Opera called "Take the High Road". You should take the chance to visit and while you are here, feel free to pop your head round my door and say hello. I would be happy to see you and show you the museums collection - you only have to ask. Best Wishes Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: countde...@earthlink.net [mailto:countde...@earthlink.net] Sent: 11 February 2010 17:22 To: Peter Davidson; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matter Arising - Last Post Dear Peter and List Members, As I was the first Listee to post a negative observation of the sctivity depicted in the photos and at the same time identify myself as a teaching member of an organization that is quite often mis-characterized in the main stream media and the halls of academia, I was offended by the draping of a stereotypical coat about my shoulders. It is said that "if the coat fits, then wear it". In this case it does indeed fit as I really should have refrained from criticizing the photos on List and done it privately. I was relieved to read Peter's unnecessary mea culpa as he has earned and is entitled to the respect of all who are occupied and are infatuated with meteorites. This List would have been the lesser without his continuing participation. His "kids" and the National Museums Scotland - Mineral Collection are fortunate to have him as Curator. Scout's honor I will not post off topic. Sincerely, Count Guido Deiro IMCA 3536 P.S. Just one little aside, Peter. I am happily married these 42 years to Joan Marlene Colquhoun, a fair maid of Luss, who has prevailed in getting me to often visit your lush and beautiful land, enjoy the pipes, wear her tartan on occasion and eat haggis...me being an Italian! -Original Message- >From: Peter Davidson >Sent: Feb 11, 2010 7:37 AM >To: Meteorite List >Subject: [meteorite-list] Matter Arising - Last Post > >Dear List Members > >When I posted my original message under the title "Matters Arising", I >expected a big response and in that respect I have not been disappointed. I >would like to thank every one of you that took the trouble to reply. There >were a lot of interesting comments and quite a few suggestions, but I will >keep it clean. >What did surprise me, and I don't know why it did, was the overwhelmingly >positive response. I would say the between 90 and 95% was positive and >supportive. Many of you replied off-list and I have tried to reply to each of >you in a like manner, If I have missed anyone out, please forgive me but there >are only so many hours in a working-day. >Following on from the critical messages, I would just like to publically >apologise if I caused any offence. I was guilty of utilising some very crass, >and inappropriate stereotypes - as a Scot, I am well aware of the many >negative stereotypes that exist for us - and I should have used more >considered language. This rankles particularly as I am always lecturing (or >should that be hectoring) my kids about adopting stereotypes to categorise >groups of people. Do as I say, not as I do! >I hope that with this message, we can draw a line under this topic and can I >urge all list members to please, please, please keep your postings on-topic >and on-message. > >Best Wishes > >Peter Davidson >Curator of Minerals > >National Museums Collection Centre >National Museums Scotland >242 West Granton Road >Edinburgh >EH5 1JA >Phone: +44 131 247 4283 >p.david...@nms.ac.uk >www.nms.ac.uk > > > >Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum >of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker > >National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 >This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the >addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The >statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and >do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is >subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) >Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your >systems or data by this message. >__
