Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Hi all! eBay is not an ordinary auction house. It doesn't handle the goods, it doesn't create a catalogue and it doesn't provide an auction house so all buyers can come and examine the goods before the auction. eBay is an automatic system where the seller and buyer enters all the details. As a seller I add all pictures, a description, starting price and so on. The buyer enters his bids. And when the auction is over the seller handles the transaction, packs the goods and sends it away. If eBay would have twice as many auctions the overhead wouldn't double. They would only need some more computers, the software is the same. It's economy by scale. During 2008 goods for over $60 billion were sold on eBay. In Q4 2009 the revenue were over $2 billion and the earning were more than 50% of that. As I see it, there isn't a big difference between eBay and companies providing online stores. I had a lot more auctions on eBay before but the community feeling has been lost and the fees is constantly getting higher so I mostly stay away from it. Somehow every other digital service is getting cheaper as computer science advances, except for paypal and eBay who raises the fees regularly. They can do it because they are big and by all practical means they have a monopoly on online auctions and payment services. They don't need to raise the fees but they can, therefore they do it. I have a plan and I'm working on an alternative to eBay ... if I finish it I'll tell you more. ;-) /Göran countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello fellow Listees, As some of you know who attended Michael Blood's Annual Auction at the show in Tucson, I am pretty familiar with auctions. In fact, my family and I owned and operated one of the largest and most highly diversified auction sales organizations in America. Licensed in eight states, we sold everything from coins to casino/hotels. So, let me just say this. There isn't a legitimate auction house in the country...hell in the world!...that will provide the means to advertise, promote and sell your goods for less than EBay. Nor will they provide the wide range of seller and buyer services, protections and payment methods that are a part of package offered by EBay. It is the best deal I ever heard of for both buyers and sellers and that's why they have such tremendous market numbers. Our auction business had a 10% buyer premium AND a 10% seller fee PLUS consignor/sellers were charged for extra advertising position, photos, etc. etc. At an average seller cost of 15%to 20% we still had to beat off sellers with a stick...because we were cheap compared to Sotheby, Bonhams, Phillips and Butterfield whose selling costs can float right up to 40%. Prau that nothing happens to the guys and gals making the cost decisions at EBay. Regards, Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Sent: Mar 29, 2010 1:13 PM To: mlbl...@cox.net, photoph...@yahoo.com, meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Good Morning Listees and Bottom Feeders.. Isn't this America? If you want to use a service pay for it. Do you go to McDonalds and decide that the hamburger is too much and try to figure out a way to cheat them out of their hamburger? Do you steal from Walmart if you think they are charging too much? Stealing from eBay is no different. Why don't all you bottom feeders leave eBay and go off to your second rate auction sites that have been mentioned here before. Leave eBay to the real dealers. Also, could one of you rocket scientists explain to me how a buyer gets hurt with the higher fees if an auction starts at a penny or 99cents? No one is forcing you to bid any higher than you would pay for the piece somewhere else. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:30:32 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and all, Actually, I think that would be an excellent response to the greed Of eBay. If everyone in the meteorite community did that, it would get The message across to buyers. Of course, it would have to be a sliding Scale application, as the shipping and handling charges would be Perhaps only $5 above actual shipping cost on some items but could Go up to hundreds on other items. SCREW EBAY -These dudes are making BILLIONS on nothing But their automated system. Not one minute of additional work or Other overhead has been involved in their 8.75% of cost sellers premium. It isn't as though they have had to hire more help or pay higher rent Or deal with increased travel expenses or ONE THING - they just Arbitrarily decided, hay, we got millions of sellers now depending on Us - we can start sucking them dry! and, like the stinking
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UKon Quest
I'm showing some of the episodes to my college Astronomy classes as an introduction to meteoritics before I lug out the specimens to pass around so they can touch and examine in detail. I think showing the process of exploration and recovery is excellent. . Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UKon Quest Dear Listees: Those of you in the U.S. who have been wanting to catch Meteorite Men, but do not subscribe to Science Channel may like to know that there is a special screening of the Gold Basin episode -- respectfully dedicated to our late friend Jim Kriegh -- airing in just about thirty minutes on Discovery Channel. That's 1 am Eastern and 10 pm here in Tucson. It's actually my favorite episode. Meteorite Men is also currently airing on Quest Channel 38 in the UK, so hopefully some of my friends from back home will get a chance to catch it. Listings: http://www.questtv.co.uk/TV_Listings Thanks and best wishes from the Old Pueblo (and just back from vacation!) Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14670 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14670 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite (Part 2)
Thanks so much for that thorough and very interesting summary Bernd. It would still be interesting to know exactly where the line is drawn between the silicated irons and the Winonaites. Take a look at these for example: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa4024.htm http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NWA_2680/index.html http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa5980.htm Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:57 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite (Part 2) Hello again Jeff, Jason, and List! Further, more specific information culled from the Benedix et al. article in MAPS about IAB, IIICD inclusions and winonaites. Cheers, Bernd BENEDIX G.K. et al. (2000) A petrologic study of the IAB iron meteorites: Constraints on the formation of the IAB-Winonaite parent body (MAPS 35-6, 2000, pp. 1127-1141): 1) most IAB and IIICD inclusions are roughly chondritic in mineralogy and composition 2) most IAB and IIICD inclusions have nonchondritic, recrystallized textures, similar to winonaites in O-isotopic and mineral compositions 3) seemingly contradictory presence of relatively primitive silicate inclusions embedded in dense metal that was presumably molten at the time of mixing 4) three models for the formation of these inclusions: - formation by impact-induced large-scale selective melting and mixing in the megaregoliths on a chondritic parent body - formation by parent-body-wide partial melting and fractional crystallization during formation of a S-rich core - inhomogeneous segregation of silicates and metal 5) petrologic, textural, and isotopic evidence suggest formation from heterogeneous chondritic precursor materials by partial melting, brecciation, and metamorphism (Benedix et al., 1998). 6) mineralogies and mineral compositions of silicates overlap between winonaites and silicate inclusions in IAB iron meteorites 7) most textures of the IAB and IIICD chondritic clasts are nearly identical to the textures of winonaites 8) different cosmic-ray exposure ages for winonaites (0.02-0.08 Ga) and IAB iron meteorites (0.4-1.0 Ga) reflect liberation from the parent body in different events. 9) same parent body for IAB iron-winonaite meteorites *and* IIICD iron meteorites? - oxygen-isotopic compositions of silicates from inclusions in IAB and IIICD iron and winonaite meteorites are essentially indistinguishable - inclusions broadly similar in mineralogy to those in IIICD iron meteorites are found among the IAB iron-winonaite meteorites But important differences exist in mineral compositions: - higher Fs contents of the pyroxene compositions of inclusions in IIICD meteorites - plagioclase compositions more albitic* than those in IAB iron-winonaite meteorites *albite = the sodium end-member of the plagioclase series (NaAlSi3O8). anorthite = the calcium end-member of the plagioclase series (CaAl2Si2O8). Benedix et al. state there is a strong link between IAB iron and winonaite meteorites but question such a strong link exists between IAB iron and winonaite meteorites and IIICD iron meteorites. But they also advise caution because these apparent differences might simply be sampling biases so that further recoveries of additional meteorites are necessary to exlude or include the IIICD iron meteorites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite (Part 2)
Indeed - thanks, Bernd for the informative post. But the question still remains; while the papers you noted establish a clear connection between IAB irons and winonaites (not to mention IIICD irons, though that class is now being toted as a pair of IAB sub-classes in some circles), I'm still not seeing any clear distinction between the two; only one paper makes note of the fact that the CRE dates are different for irons versus winonaites, and that seems to be the only real distinction between them. While this reflects different dates for their respective liberation-impacts from their common parent body, I don't believe that CRE dating has ever actually been used to distinguish between meteorite classes before. Probably because it says little to nothing about how a given meteorite initially formed, and our current class system, from what I understand, is an attempt to group meteorites based on just that - parent bodies and where meteorites formed in the early solar system (or later on, if the information has been erased through metamorphism, etc). I'm wondering if any scientist on the list would care to comment on these classifications and the way in which they might draw a distinction between the two; it really wasn't addressed in the literature that Bernd posted, unless CRE dating is used as the determinant. Thanks, Regards, Jason On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: Thanks so much for that thorough and very interesting summary Bernd. It would still be interesting to know exactly where the line is drawn between the silicated irons and the Winonaites. Take a look at these for example: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa4024.htm http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NWA_2680/index.html http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa5980.htm Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:57 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite (Part 2) Hello again Jeff, Jason, and List! Further, more specific information culled from the Benedix et al. article in MAPS about IAB, IIICD inclusions and winonaites. Cheers, Bernd BENEDIX G.K. et al. (2000) A petrologic study of the IAB iron meteorites: Constraints on the formation of the IAB-Winonaite parent body (MAPS 35-6, 2000, pp. 1127-1141): 1) most IAB and IIICD inclusions are roughly chondritic in mineralogy and composition 2) most IAB and IIICD inclusions have nonchondritic, recrystallized textures, similar to winonaites in O-isotopic and mineral compositions 3) seemingly contradictory presence of relatively primitive silicate inclusions embedded in dense metal that was presumably molten at the time of mixing 4) three models for the formation of these inclusions: - formation by impact-induced large-scale selective melting and mixing in the megaregoliths on a chondritic parent body - formation by parent-body-wide partial melting and fractional crystallization during formation of a S-rich core - inhomogeneous segregation of silicates and metal 5) petrologic, textural, and isotopic evidence suggest formation from heterogeneous chondritic precursor materials by partial melting, brecciation, and metamorphism (Benedix et al., 1998). 6) mineralogies and mineral compositions of silicates overlap between winonaites and silicate inclusions in IAB iron meteorites 7) most textures of the IAB and IIICD chondritic clasts are nearly identical to the textures of winonaites 8) different cosmic-ray exposure ages for winonaites (0.02-0.08 Ga) and IAB iron meteorites (0.4-1.0 Ga) reflect liberation from the parent body in different events. 9) same parent body for IAB iron-winonaite meteorites *and* IIICD iron meteorites? - oxygen-isotopic compositions of silicates from inclusions in IAB and IIICD iron and winonaite meteorites are essentially indistinguishable - inclusions broadly similar in mineralogy to those in IIICD iron meteorites are found among the IAB iron-winonaite meteorites But important differences exist in mineral compositions: - higher Fs contents of the pyroxene compositions of inclusions in IIICD meteorites - plagioclase compositions more albitic* than those in IAB iron-winonaite meteorites *albite = the sodium end-member of the plagioclase series (NaAlSi3O8). anorthite = the calcium end-member of the plagioclase series (CaAl2Si2O8). Benedix et al. state there is a strong link between IAB iron and winonaite meteorites but question such a strong link exists between IAB iron and winonaite meteorites and IIICD iron meteorites. But they also advise caution because these apparent differences might simply be sampling biases so that further recoveries of additional meteorites are necessary to exlude or include the
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Michael.. I finally waded through your unnecessary capitalization and misspelled words and have come to the conclusion that you must take grammar lessons from Chicago Steve. I have also concluded that your references to Communism and the evils of Capitalism that your auction fees are indeed higher than eBay's fees and that you even have a buyer's fee. I guess your superb professionalism in packing absentee bid items and stellar auctioning skills justify your higher fees. I would tend to agree if this is true. You accuse me of stirring the pot. How? Buy asking a simple question on your own auction fees and comparing your scam to cheat eBay to common theft? If this is stirring the pot then so be it. Respectfully, Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:01:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items From: mlbl...@cox.net To: garych...@live.com; countde...@earthlink.net; photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com If a were a multibilliondollar maga-giant making TONS of $ from Ebay and continuing to make MEGAMILLIONS and THEN RAISED MY FEES Even though all I were doing was letting my automated system drag in MILLION$ daily, I guess I would call that a form of Monopy - THE most threatening action to free enterprise known. FAR more of a threat than communism ever was. Look, Gary, you are trying to stir up things. Go fly a kite! Michael On 3/29/10 5:38 PM, Gary Chase garych...@live.com wrote: FINALLY a voice of reason. I was wondering not that the Count brought up Blood's auction. How does auction fees compare to eBay? I would be they are more and there is a buyers premium which eBay does NOT have. What have you to say about this Michael? Would you like buyers and sellers to try to cheat you. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:25:17 -0400 From: countde...@earthlink.net To: garych...@live.com; mlbl...@cox.net; photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hello fellow Listees, As some of you know who attended Michael Blood's Annual Auction at the show in Tucson, I am pretty familiar with auctions. In fact, my family and I owned and operated one of the largest and most highly diversified auction sales organizations in America. Licensed in eight states, we sold everything from coins to casino/hotels. So, let me just say this. There isn't a legitimate auction house in the country...hell in the world!...that will provide the means to advertise, promote and sell your goods for less than EBay. Nor will they provide the wide range of seller and buyer services, protections and payment methods that are a part of package offered by EBay. It is the best deal I ever heard of for both buyers and sellers and that's why they have such tremendous market numbers. Our auction business had a 10% buyer premium AND a 10% seller fee PLUS consignor/sellers were charged for extra advertising position, photos, etc. etc. At an average seller cost of 15%to 20% we still had to beat off sellers with a stick...because we were cheap compared to Sotheby, Bonhams, Phillips and Butterfield whose selling costs can float right up to 40%. Prau that nothing happens to the guys and gals making the cost decisions at EBay. Regards, Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Sent: Mar 29, 2010 1:13 PM To: mlbl...@cox.net, photoph...@yahoo.com, meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Good Morning Listees and Bottom Feeders.. Isn't this America? If you want to use a service pay for it. Do you go to McDonalds and decide that the hamburger is too much and try to figure out a way to cheat them out of their hamburger? Do you steal from Walmart if you think they are charging too much? Stealing from eBay is no different. Why don't all you bottom feeders leave eBay and go off to your second rate auction sites that have been mentioned here before. Leave eBay to the real dealers. Also, could one of you rocket scientists explain to me how a buyer gets hurt with the higher fees if an auction starts at a penny or 99cents? No one is forcing you to bid any higher than you would pay for the piece somewhere else. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:30:32 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and all, Actually, I think that would be an excellent response to the greed Of eBay. If everyone in the meteorite community did that, it would get The message across to buyers. Of course,
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UKon Quest
Hi Geoff and all, I appreciate your pointing this out or I would have missed it. Please feel free to advise us when they are airing these on Discovery. Your friend and all my best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UKon Quest Dear Listees: Those of you in the U.S. who have been wanting to catch Meteorite Men, but do not subscribe to Science Channel may like to know that there is a special screening of the Gold Basin episode -- respectfully dedicated to our late friend Jim Kriegh -- airing in just about thirty minutes on Discovery Channel. That's 1 am Eastern and 10 pm here in Tucson. It's actually my favorite episode. Meteorite Men is also currently airing on Quest Channel 38 in the UK, so hopefully some of my friends from back home will get a chance to catch it. Listings: http://www.questtv.co.uk/TV_Listings Thanks and best wishes from the Old Pueblo (and just back from vacation!) Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pack Moon
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/03/30/wocka-wocka-wocka-mimas-wocka-wocka/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Pictures
Possibly the best Space Shuttle pictures ever. see link; http://www.cityofbowie.org/news/astronaut_slideshow.pdf Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Pictures
Carl and Debbie If I can use an Americanism here, they are truly awesome! Pete Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: 30 March 2010 16:24 To: meteoritelist Subject: [meteorite-list] Space Shuttle Pictures Possibly the best Space Shuttle pictures ever. see link; http://www.cityofbowie.org/news/astronaut_slideshow.pdf Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Edinburgh International Science Festival fun family workshops and more. From 8 April www.nms.ac.uk/sciencefestival __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Lunar, Martian, Achondrites and Chondrites
Dear List Members, I have a lot of great material due to end at auction this afternoon. You will find a great selection of Lunar, Martian, Achondrites and Chondrites started at just 99 cents! This week's specimens are a bit larger than I normally run so a cursory look is definitely in order. There are still a few Buy-it-Now type listings for those looking for a bargain and do not want to wait for an auction to end. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, __ Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite (cont.)
Jeff and Jason kindly wrote: Thanks so much for that thorough and very interesting summary Bernd. Indeed - thanks, Bernd for the informative post. My pleasure, folks! Hutchison mentions something that may be of interest in this context: HUTCHISON R. (2004) Meteorites: A Petrologic, Chemical, and Isotopic Synthesis (Cambridge Planetary Science Series, pp. 506, p. 256): It is likely that the winonaites cooled faster than the silicates in IAB irons, which may have been more deeply buried. This is supported by the metallo- graphic cooling rates of Winona, 200°C/Myr, and IAB irons, 10-50°C/Myr. So, maybe these metallographic cooling rates can help make a clear(er) distinction between the two: Silicated IAB's and winonaites. Cheers and best wishes, Bernd To: meteorite...@gmail.com i...@meteorites.com.au meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
G. Axelsson said eBay is not an ordinary auction house. He is right. It is superior to any auction house! Again from experience in owning and operating an auction conglomerate, I say that the price received at auction for an item is directly related to the number of bidders participating. The number of bidders participating is directly related to the number of potential bidders who were informed of the sale. eBay's format allows anyone to find a category of item for sale easily and instantly. No auction company could afford to advertise and promote enough to reach eBay's market of potential bidders. In other words...the more bidders...the higher the price. Competition and emotion drive bids. Knowledgeable bidders such as ourselves...are not the people I want to see buy my goods. Neither, do I want investors as the high bidders. I want those bidders who are acting on emotion, are inexperienced in values, and not buying for investment or re-sale, to be my high bidders. When I sell to a dealer, or investor I am disappointed because I know I sold wholesale. You want that bidder with a pocketful of bucks who wants the item because your description hooked him and he doesn;t care what he pays for it. Yes, the knowledgeable bidders walk away grumbling while you dance off to the bank. eBay is where those mooches as we so irrevelantly referred to them hangout. By the tens of thousands. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se Sent: Mar 30, 2010 3:46 AM To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi all! eBay is not an ordinary auction house. It doesn't handle the goods, it doesn't create a catalogue and it doesn't provide an auction house so all buyers can come and examine the goods before the auction. eBay is an automatic system where the seller and buyer enters all the details. As a seller I add all pictures, a description, starting price and so on. The buyer enters his bids. And when the auction is over the seller handles the transaction, packs the goods and sends it away. If eBay would have twice as many auctions the overhead wouldn't double. They would only need some more computers, the software is the same. It's economy by scale. During 2008 goods for over $60 billion were sold on eBay. In Q4 2009 the revenue were over $2 billion and the earning were more than 50% of that. As I see it, there isn't a big difference between eBay and companies providing online stores. I had a lot more auctions on eBay before but the community feeling has been lost and the fees is constantly getting higher so I mostly stay away from it. Somehow every other digital service is getting cheaper as computer science advances, except for paypal and eBay who raises the fees regularly. They can do it because they are big and by all practical means they have a monopoly on online auctions and payment services. They don't need to raise the fees but they can, therefore they do it. I have a plan and I'm working on an alternative to eBay ... if I finish it I'll tell you more. ;-) /Göran countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello fellow Listees, As some of you know who attended Michael Blood's Annual Auction at the show in Tucson, I am pretty familiar with auctions. In fact, my family and I owned and operated one of the largest and most highly diversified auction sales organizations in America. Licensed in eight states, we sold everything from coins to casino/hotels. So, let me just say this. There isn't a legitimate auction house in the country...hell in the world!...that will provide the means to advertise, promote and sell your goods for less than EBay. Nor will they provide the wide range of seller and buyer services, protections and payment methods that are a part of package offered by EBay. It is the best deal I ever heard of for both buyers and sellers and that's why they have such tremendous market numbers. Our auction business had a 10% buyer premium AND a 10% seller fee PLUS consignor/sellers were charged for extra advertising position, photos, etc. etc. At an average seller cost of 15%to 20% we still had to beat off sellers with a stick...because we were cheap compared to Sotheby, Bonhams, Phillips and Butterfield whose selling costs can float right up to 40%. Prau that nothing happens to the guys and gals making the cost decisions at EBay. Regards, Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Sent: Mar 29, 2010 1:13 PM To: mlbl...@cox.net, photoph...@yahoo.com, meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Good Morning Listees and Bottom Feeders.. Isn't this America? If you want to use a service pay for it. Do
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
I am getting tried of reading about how someone might go about screwing with other businesses and request that this topic be defined as off topic and taken off list. Mike (Silveus) Ebay is a business and its goal is to make as much money as possible, which involves decisions such as what is the net effect on revenue if we raise fees by X and it pisses sellers off so that Z of them leave ebay? Being a near-monopoly, they don't care if you like them or not. As the Count points out, the fees on ebay are substantially less than the major auction houses. Shipping from the majors is brutal. And slow. Sellers on ebay are businesses, too. They make their own calculations on how to maximize profit. One way is to shift some product cost to shipping cost. Ebay has a policy against this and, in some categories, 'books' for example, they strictly limit what can be charged for shipping. In other categories it is not well defined. Engaging in this practice is not 'screwing' anyone. It's business and it's entirely within the rules of ebay. Ebay is a national treasure but they are also SOBs, just like so many other things in life. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Greetings Count and List, The Count brings up some very salient points here. As a buyer, I love eBay still - despite the occasional verbal beatdowns I dish out to it's management. Nowhere else on Earth can you sit in the comfort of your own home and bid on so many different meteorites that you can almost fill out a complete type collection in a single 24 hour period. As a seller, the Count nailed it about the types of buyers that sellers want to see. I've seen some amazing but mind-boggling auction results on eBay - all because two or more rookie/uninformed bidders got into a contest of thrill bidding. It was as a seller that I first encountered the Count, when he won one of my auctions. Although he is a savvy buyer and usually not the type that most sellers like to see, I was very fortunate to meet him via eBay. And that is one thing that eBay's management hasn't wiped out yet - the vast global reach of this centralized buying hub and the ability to meet new people. People can argue over the fairness of fees, and the utility of rule changes, but eBay is still a force to be reckoned with and it's not going away any time soon. The thing that bothers me sometimes about eBay is the overall direction that it has chosen to follow over the course of the last 10+ years - not any one particular change, rule or fee. Congratulations again to the Count for his spectacular and astronomical Nevada chondrite find! :) Best regards, clear skies, and happy huntings! MikeG On 3/30/10, countde...@earthlink.net countde...@earthlink.net wrote: G. Axelsson said eBay is not an ordinary auction house. He is right. It is superior to any auction house! Again from experience in owning and operating an auction conglomerate, I say that the price received at auction for an item is directly related to the number of bidders participating. The number of bidders participating is directly related to the number of potential bidders who were informed of the sale. eBay's format allows anyone to find a category of item for sale easily and instantly. No auction company could afford to advertise and promote enough to reach eBay's market of potential bidders. In other words...the more bidders...the higher the price. Competition and emotion drive bids. Knowledgeable bidders such as ourselves...are not the people I want to see buy my goods. Neither, do I want investors as the high bidders. I want those bidders who are acting on emotion, are inexperienced in values, and not buying for investment or re-sale, to be my high bidders. When I sell to a dealer, or investor I am disappointed because I know I sold wholesale. You want that bidder with a pocketful of bucks who wants the item because your description hooked him and he doesn;t care what he pays for it. Yes, the knowledgeable bidders walk away grumbling while you dance off to the bank. eBay is where those mooches as we so irrevelantly referred to them hangout. By the tens of thousands. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se Sent: Mar 30, 2010 3:46 AM To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi all! eBay is not an ordinary auction house. It doesn't handle the goods, it doesn't create a catalogue and it doesn't provide an auction house so all buyers can come and examine the goods before the auction. eBay is an automatic system where the seller and buyer enters all the details. As a seller I add all pictures, a description, starting price and so on. The buyer enters his bids. And when the auction is over the seller handles the transaction, packs the goods and sends it away. If eBay would have twice as many auctions the overhead wouldn't double. They would only need some more computers, the software is the same. It's economy by scale. During 2008 goods for over $60 billion were sold on eBay. In Q4 2009 the revenue were over $2 billion and the earning were more than 50% of that. As I see it, there isn't a big difference between eBay and companies providing online stores. I had a lot more auctions on eBay before but the community feeling has been lost and the fees is constantly getting higher so I mostly stay away from it. Somehow every other digital service is getting cheaper as computer science advances, except for paypal and eBay who raises the fees regularly. They can do it because they are big and by all practical means they have a monopoly on online auctions and payment services. They don't need to raise the fees but they can, therefore they do it. I have a plan and I'm working on an alternative to eBay ... if I finish it I'll tell you more. ;-) /Göran countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello fellow Listees, As some of you know who attended Michael Blood's Annual Auction at the show in Tucson, I am pretty familiar with auctions. In fact, my family and I owned and operated one
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Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
I Love Ebay!!! Hey it isn't just a simple auction house. They employ over 16000 full time employees, sell a lot of crap no one else could and you can always find a great deal on just about anything. I usually shop Ebay first.. And as a stock holder, Ebay has always been strong. For a $27.00 stock with a EPS of $1.85 is O.K. by me! Buy Ebay! Love Ya All! Dennis Miller Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:49:23 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: countde...@earthlink.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Greetings Count and List, The Count brings up some very salient points here. As a buyer, I love eBay still - despite the occasional verbal beatdowns I dish out to it's management. Nowhere else on Earth can you sit in the comfort of your own home and bid on so many different meteorites that you can almost fill out a complete type collection in a single 24 hour period. As a seller, the Count nailed it about the types of buyers that sellers want to see. I've seen some amazing but mind-boggling auction results on eBay - all because two or more rookie/uninformed bidders got into a contest of thrill bidding. It was as a seller that I first encountered the Count, when he won one of my auctions. Although he is a savvy buyer and usually not the type that most sellers like to see, I was very fortunate to meet him via eBay. And that is one thing that eBay's management hasn't wiped out yet - the vast global reach of this centralized buying hub and the ability to meet new people. People can argue over the fairness of fees, and the utility of rule changes, but eBay is still a force to be reckoned with and it's not going away any time soon. The thing that bothers me sometimes about eBay is the overall direction that it has chosen to follow over the course of the last 10+ years - not any one particular change, rule or fee. Congratulations again to the Count for his spectacular and astronomical Nevada chondrite find! :) Best regards, clear skies, and happy huntings! MikeG On 3/30/10, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: G. Axelsson said eBay is not an ordinary auction house. He is right. It is superior to any auction house! Again from experience in owning and operating an auction conglomerate, I say that the price received at auction for an item is directly related to the number of bidders participating. The number of bidders participating is directly related to the number of potential bidders who were informed of the sale. eBay's format allows anyone to find a category of item for sale easily and instantly. No auction company could afford to advertise and promote enough to reach eBay's market of potential bidders. In other words...the more bidders...the higher the price. Competition and emotion drive bids. Knowledgeable bidders such as ourselves...are not the people I want to see buy my goods. Neither, do I want investors as the high bidders. I want those bidders who are acting on emotion, are inexperienced in values, and not buying for investment or re-sale, to be my high bidders. When I sell to a dealer, or investor I am disappointed because I know I sold wholesale. You want that bidder with a pocketful of bucks who wants the item because your description hooked him and he doesn;t care what he pays for it. Yes, the knowledgeable bidders walk away grumbling while you dance off to the bank. eBay is where those mooches as we so irrevelantly referred to them hangout. By the tens of thousands. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Göran Axelsson Sent: Mar 30, 2010 3:46 AM To: meteoritecentral Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi all! eBay is not an ordinary auction house. It doesn't handle the goods, it doesn't create a catalogue and it doesn't provide an auction house so all buyers can come and examine the goods before the auction. eBay is an automatic system where the seller and buyer enters all the details. As a seller I add all pictures, a description, starting price and so on. The buyer enters his bids. And when the auction is over the seller handles the transaction, packs the goods and sends it away. If eBay would have twice as many auctions the overhead wouldn't double. They would only need some more computers, the software is the same. It's economy by scale. During 2008 goods for over $60 billion were sold on eBay. In Q4 2009 the revenue were over $2 billion and the earning were more than 50% of that. As I see it, there isn't a big difference between eBay and companies providing online stores. I had a lot more auctions on eBay before but the community feeling has been lost and the fees is constantly getting higher so I mostly stay away from it. Somehow every other digital service is getting cheaper as
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Morning All, A couple of weeks ago, A fellow from Grand Junction, Colorado called me. He's looking for someone to search for meteorites in two craters in New Mexico that have never been hunted before. The catch is that whoever he chooses for the privilege, must take his 86 year old mother along on the adventure. Not to worry, he claims she gets around better that most 50 year olds. It seems the mother grew up on a ranch near the two craters and knew(knows) the people who have owned the land forever. Even though she hasn't had any contact with the owners in a long, long time, she and her son are pretty sure they will remember his grandfather who lived there many decades ago. The craters are large. One even has a house built in the bottom of it. When I asked him if he and his mom would be interested in having a team of professional meteorite hunter take on the task, he was very clear they would assuredly be off the property with a gun if they weren't accompanied by his mother. He's sure the land owners will remember his mom once they get a chance to talk about family history back about half a century. Well, he's pretty sure. So, if any of you intrepid hunters want to roll the dice and get a chance at discovering some yet-to-be-discovered meteorites, let me know. I'll give you the fellow's name and phone number. Before I hung up the phone, I asked the man a simple question. What prompted your mother to get interested in meteorites after all these years? Did she happen to see a TV program about Meteorite Men or something similar? Yeh he said, I do believe she watched a program about meteorites. Isn't it amazing how creative the human brain can be? Have a good week, John Gwilliam Anger doesn't solve anything. It builds nothing, but it can destroy everything Lawrence D. Wilder. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Yes and I fully get it, but what I'm complaining about is the volume of mail about the pros and cons of any business enterprise be it ebay or any other currently far outweighs the subject matter of the list which I thought was about hunting for and discussing of meteorites. Mike On 03/30/2010 09:33, valpar...@aol.com wrote: I am getting tried of reading about how someone might go about screwing with other businesses and request that this topic be defined as off topic and taken off list. Mike (Silveus) Ebay is a business and its goal is to make as much money as possible, which involves decisions such as what is the net effect on revenue if we raise fees by X and it pisses sellers off so that Z of them leave ebay? Being a near-monopoly, they don't care if you like them or not. As the Count points out, the fees on ebay are substantially less than the major auction houses. Shipping from the majors is brutal. And slow. Sellers on ebay are businesses, too. They make their own calculations on how to maximize profit. One way is to shift some product cost to shipping cost. Ebay has a policy against this and, in some categories, 'books' for example, they strictly limit what can be charged for shipping. In other categories it is not well defined. Engaging in this practice is not 'screwing' anyone. It's business and it's entirely within the rules of ebay. Ebay is a national treasure but they are also SOBs, just like so many other things in life. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters
The nut cases are most certainly coming out of the cracks . million dollar rocks will do that ! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:23 AM, John Gwilliam wrote: Morning All, A couple of weeks ago, A fellow from Grand Junction, Colorado called me. He's looking for someone to search for meteorites in two craters in New Mexico that have never been hunted before. The catch is that whoever he chooses for the privilege, must take his 86 year old mother along on the adventure. Not to worry, he claims she gets around better that most 50 year olds. It seems the mother grew up on a ranch near the two craters and knew(knows) the people who have owned the land forever. Even though she hasn't had any contact with the owners in a long, long time, she and her son are pretty sure they will remember his grandfather who lived there many decades ago. The craters are large. One even has a house built in the bottom of it. When I asked him if he and his mom would be interested in having a team of professional meteorite hunter take on the task, he was very clear they would assuredly be off the property with a gun if they weren't accompanied by his mother. He's sure the land owners will remember his mom once they get a chance to talk about family history back about half a century. Well, he's pretty sure. So, if any of you intrepid hunters want to roll the dice and get a chance at discovering some yet-to-be-discovered meteorites, let me know. I'll give you the fellow's name and phone number. Before I hung up the phone, I asked the man a simple question. What prompted your mother to get interested in meteorites after all these years? Did she happen to see a TV program about Meteorite Men or something similar? Yeh he said, I do believe she watched a program about meteorites. Isn't it amazing how creative the human brain can be? Have a good week, John Gwilliam Anger doesn't solve anything. It builds nothing, but it can destroy everything Lawrence D. Wilder. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
There is currently over 4000 meteorite listings on ebay... far more then anywhere else. Major changes to the fee and listing structure will spawn discussion. While the subject of ebay is not meteorite related, many of us buy/sell meteorites on ebay, therefor the 2 are related in a way. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Michael Silveus msilv...@cox.net wrote: From: Michael Silveus msilv...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 1:24 PM Yes and I fully get it, but what I'm complaining about is the volume of mail about the pros and cons of any business enterprise be it ebay or any other currently far outweighs the subject matter of the list which I thought was about hunting for and discussing of meteorites. Mike On 03/30/2010 09:33, valpar...@aol.com wrote: I am getting tried of reading about how someone might go about screwing with other businesses and request that this topic be defined as off topic and taken off list. Mike (Silveus) Ebay is a business and its goal is to make as much money as possible, which involves decisions such as what is the net effect on revenue if we raise fees by X and it pisses sellers off so that Z of them leave ebay? Being a near-monopoly, they don't care if you like them or not. As the Count points out, the fees on ebay are substantially less than the major auction houses. Shipping from the majors is brutal. And slow. Sellers on ebay are businesses, too. They make their own calculations on how to maximize profit. One way is to shift some product cost to shipping cost. Ebay has a policy against this and, in some categories, 'books' for example, they strictly limit what can be charged for shipping. In other categories it is not well defined. Engaging in this practice is not 'screwing' anyone. It's business and it's entirely within the rules of ebay. Ebay is a national treasure but they are also SOBs, just like so many other things in life. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Count, Two sides to every story. You are spot on when it comes to talking about the good aspects of ebay. And you pointed out that the difference in eBay and other auctions is quite different. Well, I have to say that there are a whole bunch of bad aspects of eBay. Which has contributed to the decline of the company. fees not withstanding. First and foremost are the scams. Look no farther than the recent listing for the Lorton fall. What if it had a low buy it now price? It may have been snapped up before we caught it. Yes, we caught them and shut them down but this is often not the case. eBay has been sued hundreds of times for misrepresentation of objects they sell. Yes, it has been ruled that they are the sellers in spite of the fact that they really aren't. They dictate the terms therefore they are also at fault. This mostly for fake stuff or stolen merchandise. The other clear problem with buying from photos is that photos can be fixed and subsequently be very deceiving. Sure, some of us old pros can see a thief a mile a way but some cannot. Trick wording like I'm not an expert. and Style as in Victorian style which is not to be confused with Victorian. Victorian is a clear indication of a specific time period and therefore age. Style means modern copy. Mostly, It is very difficult to buy from and sometimes foolish to buy from any photo. What if you don't know the seller? In our field it helps to buy from IMCA members but, as you said. IMCA are not your sellers or buyers. You want idiots to bid that do not know the true value of your stuff. That is how EBay works. Be careful. In general it is all about the scams. These are much less likely in a live auction. I would rather listen to Guido and Michael live and even pay a bit more knowing that I was able to touch and examine the item before bidding on potential crap. ebay is the one that's a bit like communism. You cannot vote them out of office. You just have to live with it because you cannot live without it. At least not yet. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax countde...@earthlink.net wrote: G. Axelsson said eBay is not an ordinary auction house. He is right. It is superior to any auction house! Again from experience in owning and operating an auction conglomerate, I say that the price received at auction for an item is directly related to the number of bidders participating. The number of bidders participating is directly related to the number of potential bidders who were informed of the sale. eBay's format allows anyone to find a category of item for sale easily and instantly. No auction company could afford to advertise and promote enough to reach eBay's market of potential bidders. In other words...the more bidders...the higher the price. Competition and emotion drive bids. Knowledgeable bidders such as ourselves...are not the people I want to see buy my goods. Neither, do I want investors as the high bidders. I want those bidders who are acting on emotion, are inexperienced in values, and not buying for investment or re-sale, to be my high bidders. When I sell to a dealer, or investor I am disappointed because I know I sold wholesale. You want that bidder with a pocketful of bucks who wants the item because your description hooked him and he doesn;t care what he pays for it. Yes, the knowledgeable bidders walk away grumbling while you dance off to the bank. eBay is where those mooches as we so irrevelantly referred to them hangout. By the tens of thousands. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se Sent: Mar 30, 2010 3:46 AM To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi all! eBay is not an ordinary auction house. It doesn't handle the goods, it doesn't create a catalogue and it doesn't provide an auction house so all buyers can come and examine the goods before the auction. eBay is an automatic system where the seller and buyer enters all the details. As a seller I add all pictures, a description, starting price and so on. The buyer enters his bids. And when the auction is over the seller handles the transaction, packs the goods and sends it away. If eBay would have twice as many auctions the overhead wouldn't double. They would only need some more computers, the software is the same. It's economy by scale. During 2008 goods for over $60 billion were sold on eBay. In Q4 2009 the revenue were over $2 billion and the earning were more than 50% of that. As I see it, there isn't a big difference between eBay and companies providing online stores. I had a lot more auctions on eBay before but the community feeling has been lost and the fees is constantly getting higher so I mostly stay away from it. Somehow every other digital service is getting cheaper as computer science advances, except
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
I would like to add in the very subjective DSRs. .5% can ruin your business by leaving poor DSRs. A seller can ship the same day of payment, for the exact cost of shipping and the buyer can in turn leave 1s or 2s and potentially cause the seller to loose the 20% fvf discount. again, less then 1% of buyers can ruin your business. When a buyer who gets the item within 3-5 days of payment, and you can prove it was shipped same day as payment yet they can leave 1s and 2s... thats not right. The DSRs on shipping time and cost are only there to hurt sellers by providing a way for ebay to take TRS status and the rewards that go with it. Sure it was put there for a reason, but it was ill thought. Just like the Top Rated Seller (TRS) and Above Standard Seller (ASS)... who the hell in ebay thought to call a large portion of its sellers ASS? I hate selling on ebay, but cant reach the people that ebay can without it. I love buying on ebay, I cant get the deals I can anywhere else. Thats all from me on the subject, hope all is good with everyone. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Tue, 3/30/10, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items To: meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se, countde...@earthlink.net Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 1:40 PM Count, Two sides to every story. You are spot on when it comes to talking about the good aspects of ebay. And you pointed out that the difference in eBay and other auctions is quite different. Well, I have to say that there are a whole bunch of bad aspects of eBay. Which has contributed to the decline of the company. fees not withstanding. First and foremost are the scams. Look no farther than the recent listing for the Lorton fall. What if it had a low buy it now price? It may have been snapped up before we caught it. Yes, we caught them and shut them down but this is often not the case. eBay has been sued hundreds of times for misrepresentation of objects they sell. Yes, it has been ruled that they are the sellers in spite of the fact that they really aren't. They dictate the terms therefore they are also at fault. This mostly for fake stuff or stolen merchandise. The other clear problem with buying from photos is that photos can be fixed and subsequently be very deceiving. Sure, some of us old pros can see a thief a mile a way but some cannot. Trick wording like I'm not an expert. and Style as in Victorian style which is not to be confused with Victorian. Victorian is a clear indication of a specific time period and therefore age. Style means modern copy. Mostly, It is very difficult to buy from and sometimes foolish to buy from any photo. What if you don't know the seller? In our field it helps to buy from IMCA members but, as you said. IMCA are not your sellers or buyers. You want idiots to bid that do not know the true value of your stuff. That is how EBay works. Be careful. In general it is all about the scams. These are much less likely in a live auction. I would rather listen to Guido and Michael live and even pay a bit more knowing that I was able to touch and examine the item before bidding on potential crap. ebay is the one that's a bit like communism. You cannot vote them out of office. You just have to live with it because you cannot live without it. At least not yet. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax countde...@earthlink.net wrote: G. Axelsson said eBay is not an ordinary auction house. He is right. It is superior to any auction house! Again from experience in owning and operating an auction conglomerate, I say that the price received at auction for an item is directly related to the number of bidders participating. The number of bidders participating is directly related to the number of potential bidders who were informed of the sale. eBay's format allows anyone to find a category of item for sale easily and instantly. No auction company could afford to advertise and promote enough to reach eBay's market of potential bidders. In other words...the more bidders...the higher the price. Competition and emotion drive bids. Knowledgeable bidders such as ourselves...are not the people I want to see buy my goods. Neither, do I want investors as the high bidders. I want those bidders who are acting on emotion, are inexperienced in values, and not buying for investment or re-sale, to be my high bidders. When I sell to a dealer, or investor I am disappointed because I know I sold wholesale. You want that bidder with a pocketful of bucks who wants the item because your description hooked him and he doesn;t care what he pays for it. Yes, the
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters
New Mexico... Any chance they might be one of the number of large volcanic craters down there? Such as the Kilbourne hole: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Kilbourn_hole_aerial_1.jpg Literally dozens (possibly over a hundred actually) of craters down there filled with gem peridot bombs (black peridot basalt with black magma crusts, aerodynamic too!) from maar volcanos. Fun stuff, makes for good collecting. -YvW On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:26 PM, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: The nut cases are most certainly coming out of the cracks . million dollar rocks will do that ! Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:23 AM, John Gwilliam wrote: Morning All, A couple of weeks ago, A fellow from Grand Junction, Colorado called me. He's looking for someone to search for meteorites in two craters in New Mexico that have never been hunted before. The catch is that whoever he chooses for the privilege, must take his 86 year old mother along on the adventure. Not to worry, he claims she gets around better that most 50 year olds. It seems the mother grew up on a ranch near the two craters and knew(knows) the people who have owned the land forever. Even though she hasn't had any contact with the owners in a long, long time, she and her son are pretty sure they will remember his grandfather who lived there many decades ago. The craters are large. One even has a house built in the bottom of it. When I asked him if he and his mom would be interested in having a team of professional meteorite hunter take on the task, he was very clear they would assuredly be off the property with a gun if they weren't accompanied by his mother. He's sure the land owners will remember his mom once they get a chance to talk about family history back about half a century. Well, he's pretty sure. So, if any of you intrepid hunters want to roll the dice and get a chance at discovering some yet-to-be-discovered meteorites, let me know. I'll give you the fellow's name and phone number. Before I hung up the phone, I asked the man a simple question. What prompted your mother to get interested in meteorites after all these years? Did she happen to see a TV program about Meteorite Men or something similar? Yeh he said, I do believe she watched a program about meteorites. Isn't it amazing how creative the human brain can be? Have a good week, John Gwilliam Anger doesn't solve anything. It builds nothing, but it can destroy everything Lawrence D. Wilder. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites
Looks like lots of fun and a great time for the kids. Greg S. http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/blogs/astronomy/2010/03/30/falling-stars-neaf-and-meteorites.aspx Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites Posted 03-30-2010 by Mike Reynolds In 2009, Contributing Editor Mike Reynolds conducted a series of “family meteorite workshops” at Florida State College in Jacksonville, Florida. He will present several more at the North East Astronomy Forum in April. Mike Reynolds photo On April 17 and 18, the North East Astronomy Forum (NEAF) will take place at Rockland College in Suffern, New York. This year, Astronomy magazine will be sponsoring the meeting. This mecca of astronomy goodies — from companies who show everything from eyepieces to telescopes of every type — is one of the year’s best-attended shows. The Rockland Astronomy Club (RAC) hosts NEAF and is led by my good friend Alan Traino, who puts his all into NEAF, as does the entire RAC team. I remember my first NEAF. I thought I had died and gone to astronomical heaven. I had never seen so many astronomical companies in one room, albeit a college gymnasium. And in addition to all of the companies and their wares, NEAF offers talks and presentations for attendees as well as activities for kids and their families. This year Alan has asked me to set up a booth that will have a number of meteorite-related activities for kids attending NEAF. This is a large bill to fill, but I’ll do my best. First I will have a large exhibit of meteorites, tektites, and impactites. Nothing beats learning about meteorites like seeing them firsthand. This display will also include a number of meteorite items, from skillfully crafted knives to meteorites depicted on stamps and coins. I also will feature demonstrations and activities. Some of what I have planned for attendees includes: Demonstrations: * Comet-making — from dry ice, water, carbon, ammonium hydroxide, silicates, organics; always a fun activity to see and clearly demonstrates the simple makeup of a comet. * Cosmic Killer! — determining if someone could be killed by a meteorite strike (a new activity I just developed for a science supply company). * Iron meteorite etching — to show the Widmanstätten pattern in nickel-iron crystalline structures. * Nickel testing — confirming nickel in meteorites (first question: How do we know if it is a meteorite or a “meteor-wrong”?). Ongoing Activities: * Classification of meteorites — Irons, Stones, and Stony-Irons, with identifications; I’ll also have a brochure available. * Optical and hand-held digital microscopes for viewing meteorite surfaces and interiors on a computer monitor. * Magnetic meteorites — a demonstration of magnetic properties. * Meteoritic splash — creating craters and rays in large tray of fine builder’s sand; the top layer will show impact rays. * “Meteor-wrongs” — how to identify many of the average so-called meteor-wrongs like loadstone, granite, etc. * Meteorite podcast — my Falling Stars talk. * Searching for meteorites — kids that attend will use an ubermagnet and search a large tray of fine builder’s sand for “buried” meteorites. * Thin-section meteorite slides — using projection microscopes, kids will have the opportunity to see “through” a meteorite. As you might have guessed, these activities and demonstrations are really for anyone and everyone. If you want to learn more about meteorites and in a hands-on way, this will be your golden opportunity. Alan also asked that I set up a booth offering meteorites for sale. Most of what I will bring will be inexpensive meteorites for those who want a “piece of the rock” at a reasonable price. There will also be some spectacular meteorites available, from museum-quality large meteorite slabs to lunar meteorites. I have been working with one of my college students — an art major — to create some unusual and stunning meteorite jewelry. I will also do a book signing for my introductory meteoritics book entitled Falling Stars. NEAF is always a fun event, and with the emphasis this year on kids, outreach, and astronomy, I hope attendees take home with them our enthusiasm. Next month we’ll explore more meteorite topics, and I’ll have a report from NEAF. Do you have a meteorite question? Collecting tales? Successful meteorite hunts? A favorite meteorite or book? A must-see meteorite exhibit? Please email me at mreyno...@fscj.edu. I will explore your meteorite questions and more each month! Keep looking up! Dr. Mike Reynolds Previous Falling Stars blogs: * A preview of the 2010 Tucson Gem and Mineral Show, January 22, 2010 * About the spectacular stony-iron meteorite Imilac, December 29, 2009 * Learn more about the meteorite Northwest Africa 869, December 4, 2009
Re: [meteorite-list] Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites
Hi Greg and List, Wow, I am going to miss out. Galactic Stone Ironworks was supposed to have a booth at NEAF this year, but some serious medical problems prevented us from attending this year. There will be some Galactic Stone meteorites in attendance though - that's the best I could manage this year. If anyone is going to be in the area, I highly recommend checking out NEAF - like Mr. Reynolds said, it really is astronomical heaven. The only thing better than the annual Televue blem sale will be the addition of meteorites. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/30/10, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: Looks like lots of fun and a great time for the kids. Greg S. http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/blogs/astronomy/2010/03/30/falling-stars-neaf-and-meteorites.aspx Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites Posted 03-30-2010 by Mike Reynolds In 2009, Contributing Editor Mike Reynolds conducted a series of “family meteorite workshops” at Florida State College in Jacksonville, Florida. He will present several more at the North East Astronomy Forum in April. Mike Reynolds photo On April 17 and 18, the North East Astronomy Forum (NEAF) will take place at Rockland College in Suffern, New York. This year, Astronomy magazine will be sponsoring the meeting. This mecca of astronomy goodies — from companies who show everything from eyepieces to telescopes of every type — is one of the year’s best-attended shows. The Rockland Astronomy Club (RAC) hosts NEAF and is led by my good friend Alan Traino, who puts his all into NEAF, as does the entire RAC team. I remember my first NEAF. I thought I had died and gone to astronomical heaven. I had never seen so many astronomical companies in one room, albeit a college gymnasium. And in addition to all of the companies and their wares, NEAF offers talks and presentations for attendees as well as activities for kids and their families. This year Alan has asked me to set up a booth that will have a number of meteorite-related activities for kids attending NEAF. This is a large bill to fill, but I’ll do my best. First I will have a large exhibit of meteorites, tektites, and impactites. Nothing beats learning about meteorites like seeing them firsthand. This display will also include a number of meteorite items, from skillfully crafted knives to meteorites depicted on stamps and coins. I also will feature demonstrations and activities. Some of what I have planned for attendees includes: Demonstrations: * Comet-making — from dry ice, water, carbon, ammonium hydroxide, silicates, organics; always a fun activity to see and clearly demonstrates the simple makeup of a comet. * Cosmic Killer! — determining if someone could be killed by a meteorite strike (a new activity I just developed for a science supply company). * Iron meteorite etching — to show the Widmanstätten pattern in nickel-iron crystalline structures. * Nickel testing — confirming nickel in meteorites (first question: How do we know if it is a meteorite or a “meteor-wrong”?). Ongoing Activities: * Classification of meteorites — Irons, Stones, and Stony-Irons, with identifications; I’ll also have a brochure available. * Optical and hand-held digital microscopes for viewing meteorite surfaces and interiors on a computer monitor. * Magnetic meteorites — a demonstration of magnetic properties. * Meteoritic splash — creating craters and rays in large tray of fine builder’s sand; the top layer will show impact rays. * “Meteor-wrongs” — how to identify many of the average so-called meteor-wrongs like loadstone, granite, etc. * Meteorite podcast — my Falling Stars talk. * Searching for meteorites — kids that attend will use an ubermagnet and search a large tray of fine builder’s sand for “buried” meteorites. * Thin-section meteorite slides — using projection microscopes, kids will have the opportunity to see “through” a meteorite. As you might have guessed, these activities and demonstrations are really for anyone and everyone. If you want to learn more about meteorites and in a hands-on way, this will be your golden opportunity. Alan also asked that I set up a booth offering meteorites for sale. Most of what I will bring will be inexpensive meteorites for those who want a “piece of the rock” at a reasonable price. There will also be some spectacular meteorites available, from museum-quality large meteorite slabs to lunar meteorites. I have been working with one of my college students — an art major — to create some unusual and stunning meteorite jewelry. I will also do a book signing for my introductory meteoritics book entitled Falling Stars. NEAF is always a fun event, and with the emphasis this year on kids, outreach, and astronomy, I hope attendees take home with them our enthusiasm. Next month we’ll explore more
[meteorite-list] RE: Two Unexplored Craters
People have been familiar with this site for years. I guarantee you if meteorites were to be found their we'd know about it by now. Although the prospect of collecting Olivine would be cool. ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:36:37 -0700, you wrote: Although the prospect of collecting Olivine would be cool. Dude! She's 86 years old! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent
Hello, I am in need of a serious person or institution to classify meteorites. I believe the time has come for a fee based classification service to be offered. The revenue gleaned from such activity could provide income to work-study students, provide scholarships for students who are studying the meteoritic sciences and most certainly the fee could help offset the expense of such classifications in the first place. The problem I have in recovering meteorites from the field is that after I give a farmer $10,000 dollars for their meteorite, I usually have to wait up to 2 years for the classification results. This is not much of an incentive to invest in many new discoveries. In fact, I have 4 new possible recoveries that I could purchase, but not having a timely classification service makes for difficult choices. I usually just say to myself-I can't afford to have 5k into this meteorite for 2 years with no return. Does not make good business sense and overall not really good for science either. I propose a $250.00 to $500.00 per meteorite classification fee. Checks made out to whatever scholarship or department fund you see fit. Done in a timely manner of 3 months or less. Anyone out there interested, please respond to me off list. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters
She can walk like a 50 yr old - man... I'm 50... WOW! Greg S. From: cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:26:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:36:37 -0700, you wrote: Although the prospect of collecting Olivine would be cool. Dude! She's 86 years old! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent
This is a serious reason why people dont bother with getting all data possible with meteorites. It would be great if some lesser standard would be accepted as a classification (Especially on common chondrites). Many people (Myself included) dont even bother with such issues anymore. I cant even get achondrites done within a year. I tried to start a classification service about 4 years ago after being promised a eight week turnaround by a couple places in australia but that unfortunately never worked out and we are no longer accepting new submission (Although the ones currently outstanding we have been promised Within two months for three years now. However, in a big cosmic coincidence, four years ago, when I announced the grand opening of my meteorite classification service Marvin Killgore on the very same day announced to this list that he to would within a very short time also have a for fee classification service that he would be doing himself as he was in conjunction with some institution and has the expertise and access to all of the equipment to do so. I would assume that since more than a few weeks have passed in the last four years since he announced the imminent opening of his fee based classification service that it is now up and running so I assume that the man to contact for classifications nowadays is Marvin Killgore. I dont have his email address but somebody should be able to find it easily I am sure. Sincerely DEAN --- On Tue, 30/3/10, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Received: Tuesday, 30 March, 2010, 3:32 PM Hello, I am in need of a serious person or institution to classify meteorites. I believe the time has come for a fee based classification service to be offered. The revenue gleaned from such activity could provide income to work-study students, provide scholarships for students who are studying the meteoritic sciences and most certainly the fee could help offset the expense of such classifications in the first place. The problem I have in recovering meteorites from the field is that after I give a farmer $10,000 dollars for their meteorite, I usually have to wait up to 2 years for the classification results. This is not much of an incentive to invest in many new discoveries. In fact, I have 4 new possible recoveries that I could purchase, but not having a timely classification service makes for difficult choices. I usually just say to myself-I can't afford to have 5k into this meteorite for 2 years with no return. Does not make good business sense and overall not really good for science either. I propose a $250.00 to $500.00 per meteorite classification fee. Checks made out to whatever scholarship or department fund you see fit. Done in a timely manner of 3 months or less. Anyone out there interested, please respond to me off list. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent
Hi, Mike and All, I'm sure most of us have hoped for a dependable/predictable service. I haven't seen an ugly or ordinary meteorite yet, once it's held under a microscope, and wanted to know the classification specifics. Is your proposed high fee the incentive for quick work? $250.00?! I'm confident that most on this List are amateurs, and not in that league! Dean Bessey had a service advertised on his old New Zealand web site for ~$90.00 USD, promising a result in about a half year, if I remember right. Has anyone on the List tried that one? Or another institution that doesn't sit on samples? Maybe we could have an on-going thread which lists institutions that are quick and reasonable and needing of customers, and also post cautions for which to avoid because of their overwhelming backlog. Cheers, Pete From: mikew...@gilanet.com Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:32:19 -0600 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent Hello, I am in need of a serious person or institution to classify meteorites. I believe the time has come for a fee based classification service to be offered. The revenue gleaned from such activity could provide income to work-study students, provide scholarships for students who are studying the meteoritic sciences and most certainly the fee could help offset the expense of such classifications in the first place. The problem I have in recovering meteorites from the field is that after I give a farmer $10,000 dollars for their meteorite, I usually have to wait up to 2 years for the classification results. This is not much of an incentive to invest in many new discoveries. In fact, I have 4 new possible recoveries that I could purchase, but not having a timely classification service makes for difficult choices. I usually just say to myself-I can't afford to have 5k into this meteorite for 2 years with no return. Does not make good business sense and overall not really good for science either. I propose a $250.00 to $500.00 per meteorite classification fee. Checks made out to whatever scholarship or department fund you see fit. Done in a timely manner of 3 months or less. Anyone out there interested, please respond to me off list. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Take your contacts everywhere http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Two Unexplored Craters
Although the prospect of collecting Olivine would be cool. Dude! She's 86 years old! You better make sure she has all her pills with her if she goes. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UK on Quest
Hi Geoff: I enjoyed the episode last night very much. Beautiful find by Steve, but you did find the first one. I had a thought at the end - I think a great episode would be what happens to a 'type' specimen after arriving at a University to be classified. You could have a variety of samples and show how they are cut and prepared and then how the thin sections are made. Then how are they probed and then explain the different classifications. You could include a lot of information and make it not too technical; and of course, what make some meteorites more valuable. I have gotten meteorites classified and it would be really neat to see the entire process. I hope you get a second season. Keep at it... and one day you'll find one on that Mesa. Greg S. From: geok...@notkin.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:40:59 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UK on Quest Dear Listees: Those of you in the U.S. who have been wanting to catch Meteorite Men, but do not subscribe to Science Channel may like to know that there is a special screening of the Gold Basin episode -- respectfully dedicated to our late friend Jim Kriegh -- airing in just about thirty minutes on Discovery Channel. That's 1 am Eastern and 10 pm here in Tucson. It's actually my favorite episode. Meteorite Men is also currently airing on Quest Channel 38 in the UK, so hopefully some of my friends from back home will get a chance to catch it. Listings: http://www.questtv.co.uk/TV_Listings Thanks and best wishes from the Old Pueblo (and just back from vacation!) Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent
Dear List, I, for one, would like someone who has, or is engaged in, classifying meteorites elucidate the technical steps that are involved, the equipment required and the time it takes, to accomplish a classification. Also, how is this classification then certified and reported by the classifier? How does the naming of the meteorite occur? Does one submit documents supporting the classification and the co-ordinates along with a proposed name to the Society? In other words...??? Count Deiro -Original Message- From: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com Sent: Mar 30, 2010 7:17 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent This is a serious reason why people dont bother with getting all data possible with meteorites. It would be great if some lesser standard would be accepted as a classification (Especially on common chondrites). Many people (Myself included) dont even bother with such issues anymore. I cant even get achondrites done within a year. I tried to start a classification service about 4 years ago after being promised a eight week turnaround by a couple places in australia but that unfortunately never worked out and we are no longer accepting new submission (Although the ones currently outstanding we have been promised Within two months for three years now. However, in a big cosmic coincidence, four years ago, when I announced the grand opening of my meteorite classification service Marvin Killgore on the very same day announced to this list that he to would within a very short time also have a for fee classification service that he would be doing himself as he was in conjunction with some institution and has the expertise and access to all of the equipment to do so. I would assume that since more than a few weeks have passed in the last four years since he announced the imminent opening of his fee based classification service that it is now up and running so I assume that the man to contact for classifications nowadays is Marvin Killgore. I dont have his email address but somebody should be able to find it easily I am sure. Sincerely DEAN --- On Tue, 30/3/10, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Received: Tuesday, 30 March, 2010, 3:32 PM Hello, I am in need of a serious person or institution to classify meteorites. I believe the time has come for a fee based classification service to be offered. The revenue gleaned from such activity could provide income to work-study students, provide scholarships for students who are studying the meteoritic sciences and most certainly the fee could help offset the expense of such classifications in the first place. The problem I have in recovering meteorites from the field is that after I give a farmer $10,000 dollars for their meteorite, I usually have to wait up to 2 years for the classification results. This is not much of an incentive to invest in many new discoveries. In fact, I have 4 new possible recoveries that I could purchase, but not having a timely classification service makes for difficult choices. I usually just say to myself-I can't afford to have 5k into this meteorite for 2 years with no return. Does not make good business sense and overall not really good for science either. I propose a $250.00 to $500.00 per meteorite classification fee. Checks made out to whatever scholarship or department fund you see fit. Done in a timely manner of 3 months or less. Anyone out there interested, please respond to me off list. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent
I already addressed this in a old article for IMCA insights. Try this link: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=73 Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent
Thank you Adam. I had bits and pieces, but nothing coherent. Guido -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Mar 30, 2010 7:44 PM To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent I already addressed this in a old article for IMCA insights. Try this link: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=73 Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent
Sounds like a good idea to me if there is enough business for something like that! - Original Message From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 3:32:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION: Scientists and Researchers Who Classify Meteorites.. Urgent Hello, I am in need of a serious person or institution to classify meteorites. I believe the time has come for a fee based classification service to be offered. The revenue gleaned from such activity could provide income to work-study students, provide scholarships for students who are studying the meteoritic sciences and most certainly the fee could help offset the expense of such classifications in the first place. The problem I have in recovering meteorites from the field is that after I give a farmer $10,000 dollars for their meteorite, I usually have to wait up to 2 years for the classification results. This is not much of an incentive to invest in many new discoveries. In fact, I have 4 new possible recoveries that I could purchase, but not having a timely classification service makes for difficult choices. I usually just say to myself-I can't afford to have 5k into this meteorite for 2 years with no return. Does not make good business sense and overall not really good for science either. I propose a $250.00 to $500.00 per meteorite classification fee. Checks made out to whatever scholarship or department fund you see fit. Done in a timely manner of 3 months or less. Anyone out there interested, please respond to me off list. Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites
Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/blogs/astronomy/2010/03/30/falling-stars-neaf-and-meteorites.aspx Falling stars: NEAF and meteorites Posted 03-30-2010 by Mike Reynolds On April 17 and 18, the North East Astronomy Forum (NEAF) will take place at Rockland College in Suffern, New York. This year, Astronomy magazine will be sponsoring the meeting. This mecca of astronomy goodies — from companies who show everything from eyepieces to telescopes of every type — is one of the year’s best-attended shows. The Rockland Astronomy Club (RAC) hosts NEAF and is led by my good friend Alan Traino, who puts his all into NEAF, as does the entire RAC team.. I remember my first NEAF. I thought I had died and gone to astronomical heaven. I had never seen so many astronomical companies in one room, albeit a college gymnasium. And in addition to all of the companies and their wares, NEAF offers talks and presentations for attendees as well as activities for kids and their families. This year Alan has asked me to set up a booth that will have a number of meteorite-related activities for kids attending NEAF. This is a large bill to fill, but I’ll do my best. First I will have a large exhibit of meteorites, tektites, and impactites. Nothing beats learning about meteorites like seeing them firsthand. This display will also include a number of meteorite items, from skillfully crafted knives to meteorites depicted on stamps and coins. I also will feature demonstrations and activities. Some of what I have planned for attendees includes: Demonstrations: •Comet-making — from dry ice, water, carbon, ammonium hydroxide, silicates, organics; always a fun activity to see and clearly demonstrates the simple makeup of a comet. •Cosmic Killer! — determining if someone could be killed by a meteorite strike (a new activity I just developed for a science supply company). •Iron meteorite etching — to show the Widmanstätten pattern in nickel-iron crystalline structures. •Nickel testing — confirming nickel in meteorites (first question: How do we know if it is a meteorite or a “meteor-wrong”?). Ongoing Activities: •Classification of meteorites — Irons, Stones, and Stony-Irons, with identifications; I’ll also have a brochure available. •Optical and hand-held digital microscopes for viewing meteorite surfaces and interiors on a computer monitor. •Magnetic meteorites — a demonstration of magnetic properties. •Meteoritic splash — creating craters and rays in large tray of fine builder’s sand; the top layer will show impact rays. •“Meteor-wrongs” — how to identify many of the average so-called meteor-wrongs like loadstone, granite, etc. •Meteorite podcast — my Falling Stars talk. •Searching for meteorites — kids that attend will use an ubermagnet and search a large tray of fine builder’s sand for “buried” meteorites. •Thin-section meteorite slides — using projection microscopes, kids will have the opportunity to see “through” a meteorite. As you might have guessed, these activities and demonstrations are really for anyone and everyone. If you want to learn more about meteorites and in a hands-on way, this will be your golden opportunity. Alan also asked that I set up a booth offering meteorites for sale. Most of what I will bring will be inexpensive meteorites for those who want a “piece of the rock” at a reasonable price. There will also be some spectacular meteorites available, from museum-quality large meteorite slabs to lunar meteorites. I have been working with one of my college students — an art major — to create some unusual and stunning meteorite jewelry. I will also do a book signing for my introductory meteoritics book entitled Falling Stars. NEAF is always a fun event, and with the emphasis this year on kids, outreach, and astronomy, I hope attendees take home with them our enthusiasm. Next month we’ll explore more meteorite topics, and I’ll have a report from NEAF. Do you have a meteorite question? Collecting tales? Successful meteorite hunts? A favorite meteorite or book? A must-see meteorite exhibit? Please email me at mreyno...@fscj.edu. I will explore your meteorite questions and more each month! Keep looking up! Dr. Mike Reynolds __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Not sure why this didn't go out earlier. Retry after I deleted the attached responses. I Love Ebay!!! Hey it isn't just a simple auction house. They employ over 16000 full time employees, sell a lot of crap no one else could and you can always find a great deal on just about anything. I usually shop Ebay first.. And as a stock holder, Ebay has always been strong. For a $27.00 stock with an EPS of $1.85 is O.K. by me! Buy Ebay! Love Ya All! Dennis Miller _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home
Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20100330/UPDATES01/100330018 By Coloradoan staff • March 30, 2010 Roger Hebbert got more than a cake for his 75th birthday this morning; he awoke to find what he believes is a meteorite that struck just 10 feet from his rural Rist Canyon home. Hebbert's wife, Bonnie, said she heard a loud swooshing sound late Monday night and felt a gust of wind through the house, but she didn't think too much of it because the log-sided home the couple shares is heated by three different sources, including a woodstove. I hollered to him and kidded him if he was burning up the house, but he didn't say anything and I went to bed, she said. Roger awoke around 5:30 this morning, though, and went outside to split wood and found what appears to be about a 10-pound piece of rock that fell to the ground so quickly that it created a funnel in the ground. Several smaller pieces of rock and small holes were found nearby. The rock struck just 10 feet from the couple's home. The couple has called Colorado State University to see if researchers are interested in looking at the rock, and they hope to find out more. If this is found to be a meteorite, Bonnie said this will be her second such experience. Nearly 60 years ago, her father returned with a large rock from their property near Livermore, which was a meteorite __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home
Not a meteorite...Watch the video. http://www.9news.com/seenon9news/article.aspx?storyid=135641catid=509 Regards, Eric On 3/30/2010 5:41 PM, Michael Groetz wrote: Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20100330/UPDATES01/100330018 By Coloradoan staff • March 30, 2010 Roger Hebbert got more than a cake for his 75th birthday this morning; he awoke to find what he believes is a meteorite that struck just 10 feet from his rural Rist Canyon home. Hebbert's wife, Bonnie, said she heard a loud swooshing sound late Monday night and felt a gust of wind through the house, but she didn't think too much of it because the log-sided home the couple shares is heated by three different sources, including a woodstove. I hollered to him and kidded him if he was burning up the house, but he didn't say anything and I went to bed, she said. Roger awoke around 5:30 this morning, though, and went outside to split wood and found what appears to be about a 10-pound piece of rock that fell to the ground so quickly that it created a funnel in the ground. Several smaller pieces of rock and small holes were found nearby. The rock struck just 10 feet from the couple's home. The couple has called Colorado State University to see if researchers are interested in looking at the rock, and they hope to find out more. If this is found to be a meteorite, Bonnie said this will be her second such experience. Nearly 60 years ago, her father returned with a large rock from their property near Livermore, which was a meteorite __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home
Looks like it could be one of Tony Irving's Martian sedimentary type meteorites he has been looking for. Seriously. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Not a meteorite...Watch the video. http://www.9news.com/seenon9news/article.aspx?storyid=135641catid=509 Regards, Eric On 3/30/2010 5:41 PM, Michael Groetz wrote: Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20100330/UPDATES01/100330018 By Coloradoan staff • March 30, 2010 Roger Hebbert got more than a cake for his 75th birthday this morning; he awoke to find what he believes is a meteorite that struck just 10 feet from his rural Rist Canyon home. Hebbert's wife, Bonnie, said she heard a loud swooshing sound late Monday night and felt a gust of wind through the house, but she didn't think too much of it because the log-sided home the couple shares is heated by three different sources, including a woodstove. I hollered to him and kidded him if he was burning up the house, but he didn't say anything and I went to bed, she said. Roger awoke around 5:30 this morning, though, and went outside to split wood and found what appears to be about a 10-pound piece of rock that fell to the ground so quickly that it created a funnel in the ground. Several smaller pieces of rock and small holes were found nearby. The rock struck just 10 feet from the couple's home. The couple has called Colorado State University to see if researchers are interested in looking at the rock, and they hope to find out more. If this is found to be a meteorite, Bonnie said this will be her second such experience. Nearly 60 years ago, her father returned with a large rock from their property near Livermore, which was a meteorite __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home [PHOTO]
Rist Canyon Meteorwrong: http://www.meteoritesusa.com/images/meteorwrong.jpg SOURCE: http://www.9news.com/seenon9news/article.aspx?storyid=135641catid=509 I think this quote from the finder sums it up. It's kind of nice to have something different happen once in a while. It breaks the monotony, Roger said. Regards, Eric On 3/30/2010 6:02 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Not a meteorite...Watch the video. http://www.9news.com/seenon9news/article.aspx?storyid=135641catid=509 Regards, Eric On 3/30/2010 5:41 PM, Michael Groetz wrote: Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20100330/UPDATES01/100330018 By Coloradoan staff • March 30, 2010 Roger Hebbert got more than a cake for his 75th birthday this morning; he awoke to find what he believes is a meteorite that struck just 10 feet from his rural Rist Canyon home. Hebbert's wife, Bonnie, said she heard a loud swooshing sound late Monday night and felt a gust of wind through the house, but she didn't think too much of it because the log-sided home the couple shares is heated by three different sources, including a woodstove. I hollered to him and kidded him if he was burning up the house, but he didn't say anything and I went to bed, she said. Roger awoke around 5:30 this morning, though, and went outside to split wood and found what appears to be about a 10-pound piece of rock that fell to the ground so quickly that it created a funnel in the ground. Several smaller pieces of rock and small holes were found nearby. The rock struck just 10 feet from the couple's home. The couple has called Colorado State University to see if researchers are interested in looking at the rock, and they hope to find out more. If this is found to be a meteorite, Bonnie said this will be her second such experience. Nearly 60 years ago, her father returned with a large rock from their property near Livermore, which was a meteorite __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts
Just a quick question about something I'm studying... Is there a place online with data, photos, or video from lunar meteorite impacts? Or is it something that's so rare (like the recent colliding asteroids) that it's not been recorded much and what is recorded isn't online? ;) I'm not really interested in the seismic data per se, but any actual footage of meteoroid impacts, and perhaps photos of the craters that were created by the impacts? Is anyone doing this or compiling data besides NASA? I'm very interested in this part of the science! Something like this: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/13jun_lunarsporadic.htm Are there more? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:10:58 -0700, you wrote: Just a quick question about something I'm studying... Is there a place online with data, photos, or video from lunar meteorite impacts? There is a new book on the subject that I stumbled across a PDF of last month. Amazon link for the book: http://www.amazon.com/Meteoroid-Impacts-Observe-Astronomers-Observing/dp/1441903232 Download link for the PDF: http://www.sendspace.com/file/prc2zv __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts
http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/NWA4734.htm - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts Just a quick question about something I'm studying... Is there a place online with data, photos, or video from lunar meteorite impacts? Or is it something that's so rare (like the recent colliding asteroids) that it's not been recorded much and what is recorded isn't online? ;) I'm not really interested in the seismic data per se, but any actual footage of meteoroid impacts, and perhaps photos of the craters that were created by the impacts? Is anyone doing this or compiling data besides NASA? I'm very interested in this part of the science! Something like this: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/13jun_lunarsporadic.htm Are there more? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home
I like how the woman commented that maybe if they pick it up, there might be a million under there. If it were to be a blueberry sandwhich from Mars, then maybe she would be correct. Speaking of million dollar meteorites, I have some fellow from Nevada insisting on mailing me one that he found last month. I told him not to bother but he sent it anyway after getting my address from buying a piece from me on eBay. It looks just like the black one he saw on TV but much, much bigger therefor more valuable. He figures, it is worth at least four million judging from the size but will let me have it for a mere two million if I do not return it within two weeks. I will take pictures of it when it arrives and immediately send it back registered mail. This fellow believes it is a gift from the heavens that will pay his granddaughter's medical bills. I have told him repeatedly not to get his hopes up and take it to a university for study. The last thing I want is people sending me unsolicited pieces after getting my address from an eBay transaction. I actually feel sorry for this poor fellow. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home
From what I understand of postal regulations, anything sent to you that has not been solicited is considered a gift and you are under no obligation to pay for it even if you keep it. Obviously you don't want anything to do with this gift, but that might also be something you, and others, can inform anyone who contacts you in the future. Do not send it. I don't want it. If you do send it the US Post Office considers it a gift and I am under no obligation to give you one cent for it. That might help keep your mailbox from being fouled with crap just a small bit. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:36 PM I like how the woman commented that maybe if they pick it up, there might be a million under there. If it were to be a blueberry sandwhich from Mars, then maybe she would be correct. Speaking of million dollar meteorites, I have some fellow from Nevada insisting on mailing me one that he found last month. I told him not to bother but he sent it anyway after getting my address from buying a piece from me on eBay. It looks just like the black one he saw on TV but much, much bigger therefor more valuable. He figures, it is worth at least four million judging from the size but will let me have it for a mere two million if I do not return it within two weeks. I will take pictures of it when it arrives and immediately send it back registered mail. This fellow believes it is a gift from the heavens that will pay his granddaughter's medical bills. I have told him repeatedly not to get his hopes up and take it to a university for study. The last thing I want is people sending me unsolicited pieces after getting my address from an eBay transaction. I actually feel sorry for this poor fellow. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home
OK Here is the page on the USPS website https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/investigations/MailFraud/fraudschemes/othertypes/UnsolicitedFraud.aspx It does say merchandise from a company, so maybe this isn't all inclusive. It might be worth contacting your local post office for clarification. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:54 PM From what I understand of postal regulations, anything sent to you that has not been solicited is considered a gift and you are under no obligation to pay for it even if you keep it. Obviously you don't want anything to do with this gift, but that might also be something you, and others, can inform anyone who contacts you in the future. Do not send it. I don't want it. If you do send it the US Post Office considers it a gift and I am under no obligation to give you one cent for it. That might help keep your mailbox from being fouled with crap just a small bit. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-like rock strikes near Rist Canyon home To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:36 PM I like how the woman commented that maybe if they pick it up, there might be a million under there. If it were to be a blueberry sandwhich from Mars, then maybe she would be correct. Speaking of million dollar meteorites, I have some fellow from Nevada insisting on mailing me one that he found last month. I told him not to bother but he sent it anyway after getting my address from buying a piece from me on eBay. It looks just like the black one he saw on TV but much, much bigger therefor more valuable. He figures, it is worth at least four million judging from the size but will let me have it for a mere two million if I do not return it within two weeks. I will take pictures of it when it arrives and immediately send it back registered mail. This fellow believes it is a gift from the heavens that will pay his granddaughter's medical bills. I have told him repeatedly not to get his hopes up and take it to a university for study. The last thing I want is people sending me unsolicited pieces after getting my address from an eBay transaction. I actually feel sorry for this poor fellow. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts
Awesome! That's exactly the kind of data I was looking for. Thank Sean! Regards, Eric On 3/30/2010 7:23 PM, Sean T. Murray wrote: http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/NWA4734.htm - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts Just a quick question about something I'm studying... Is there a place online with data, photos, or video from lunar meteorite impacts? Or is it something that's so rare (like the recent colliding asteroids) that it's not been recorded much and what is recorded isn't online? ;) I'm not really interested in the seismic data per se, but any actual footage of meteoroid impacts, and perhaps photos of the craters that were created by the impacts? Is anyone doing this or compiling data besides NASA? I'm very interested in this part of the science! Something like this: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/13jun_lunarsporadic.htm Are there more? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts
Hi Sean, Perhaps the rarity of such documented strikes is best explained by the text The video plays in 7x slow motion; otherwise the explosion would be nearly invisible to the human eye. The duration of the fireball was only four-tenths of a second, says Cooke. Unless a very significant strike occurs [and it's being viewed] jerry -- From: Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:23 PM To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/NWA4734.htm - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Observing Lunar Meteorite Impacts Just a quick question about something I'm studying... Is there a place online with data, photos, or video from lunar meteorite impacts? Or is it something that's so rare (like the recent colliding asteroids) that it's not been recorded much and what is recorded isn't online? ;) I'm not really interested in the seismic data per se, but any actual footage of meteoroid impacts, and perhaps photos of the craters that were created by the impacts? Is anyone doing this or compiling data besides NASA? I'm very interested in this part of the science! Something like this: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/13jun_lunarsporadic.htm Are there more? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 31, 2010
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[meteorite-list] AD: Last Sale and Last Auction Run For Sometime (Ends WEDS/31st) .... Going into the field...
Hello, I am offering one of my LAST 50% off sales for awhile...maybe a longtime. Please take advantage of the sale while it is here. Also, my last auction run is ending today... some sweet meteorites to be had and most still at really good prices. See All Here: Check them out some great deals... (THERE ARE SOME NICE PIECES LISTED) SEE ALL AUCTIONS AT ONCE! http://shop.ebay.com:80/meteorite-collector/m.html?LH_Auction=1_trksid=p3911.c0.m301 SEE ALL ITEMS ON SALE IN MY STORE! 50% off most items! http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Thanks and Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Are these authentic Buzzard Coulees?
http://shop.ebay.ca/306krista/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 Worldwide shipping and no mention of an export permit for any of them? Anyone here know this person and if he/she is for real? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
