[meteorite-list] NASA Can't Explain Strange Spiral
Scientists are baffled by a strange spiral phenomenon. http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1774.html Kind of OT, but very cool looking... Are we looking at the birth of a star? Is that dust? Gas? Both? Any scientists out there have any opinions? Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]
Interesting the fact that Norbert Classen underlines in his utmost readable text that since prehistoric times, meteorites have been worshiped and venerated by c o u n t l e s s tribes etc. That could be the chance of Herr Meyer :-) Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] See also: http://imca.cc/insights/2006/IMCA-Insights04.htm Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Spratt Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 01:34 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] The stone at Paphos is not a meteorite. I've seen it and touched it. Sacred perhaps, but not a meteorite. Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]
Nice photograph of the Hajar al-Aswad also here: http://www.toursaudiarabia.com/kaaba/kaaba-3-high.html Thank you, Sterling, for pointing to Ted's adventure. Same subject, approached by our friend from Poland Jan Woreczko: http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/travels/Stambul_2010/BlackStone-EN.htm Great, my respect to Ted and Jan! Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] Martin, Count Deiro, List, The Sokollu Mehmet Pasha Mosque in Istanbul is said to contain a fragment of the Mecca meteorite: http://www.suite101.com/content/istanbuls-elegant-little-mosque-a212930 Ted Brattstrom posted this photo essay about his search for the six fragments said to be housed in Istanbul here: http://kauscience.k12.hi.us/~ted/Blackstone/hajar-al-aswad.htm Count, the above link contains a photo of the Ka'aba meteorite in its silver mount. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] See also: http://imca.cc/insights/2006/IMCA-Insights04.htm Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Spratt Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 01:34 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] The stone at Paphos is not a meteorite. I've seen it and touched it. Sacred perhaps, but not a meteorite. Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book
Hi All, Just had to share thiswhen this post came up after all the talk of eating meteorites I completely misread it and thought there was actually a new Meteorite CATERING book!!gave me a good laugh anyway. So anyone got any recipes to go with the Tucson Auction Cake? Perhaps we can put our own book together... Franconia Frangipane served in a Gold Basin with a side order of Tucson Ring doughnuts? Must be nearly lunchtime :-) Graham, Nr Bar-well! UK On 6 October 2010 02:13, Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Anita and all I sent a post a few weeks ago about this publication. It can be purchased through The Geological Society of America for $99 and if you are a member of the GSA, it's only $70. 1-888-443-4472 This is just one of many reasons to join the GSA. If more meteorite collectors were members, we would have a better avenue, through the GSA, to change some of these vague laws for collecting space material. Dennis Miller GSA Associate Member Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:49:13 -0700 From: anitawestl...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book Dear List: I received notice of this new book on cratering. It's a little pricey at $112.92, but here's the link if you're interested: http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/page8278.html Anita __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites?
Hi All, While checking-out available video footage of meteor falls I notice there appears to be a green colored glow emitting from the front of some meteors. Is this due to air pollution or is there another possible cause such as a chemical composition of particularly green glowing meteors being the likely cause? Too basic a question? Pardon my asking. Thanks. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]
Well, the black stone.. it survived a fire, it was stolen and broken in pieces and mounted together again... Honestly, I don't have the mineralogic experience, how a chondrite would like after being touched and kissed for millions of times over the centuries :-) Probably not so nice anymore, I would suppose. Let's put a Mifflin or Lorton* for some decades in the dishwasher, to see what happens... Or something black, like a Marlow or Ghubara. ;-) Martin *hey colleagues, do you like it also sooo much, if on the shows those esoteric people take your best black-crusters to thoroughly knead them with both of their sweaty hands, to check whether they have the right aura and vibrations? interesting then, that always those stones turn out not to send out the right energy, which cost more than 5-10$ the piece Hey, and why do most Trekkies don't like real stuff from real space? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Sterling K. Webb Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 06:21 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] Martin, Count Deiro, List, The Sokollu Mehmet Pasha Mosque in Istanbul is said to contain a fragment of the Mecca meteorite: http://www.suite101.com/content/istanbuls-elegant-little-mosque-a212930 Ted Brattstrom posted this photo essay about his search for the six fragments said to be housed in Istanbul here: http://kauscience.k12.hi.us/~ted/Blackstone/hajar-al-aswad.htm Count, the above link contains a photo of the Ka'aba meteorite in its silver mount. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Catering Book
Haha - me too, I had to read it three times to see Cratering! Must be lunchtime Just for fun: - There must be some 'edible' meteorite related cuisine, I remember the classic Eclipse cakes during the last total eclipse in Europe, rock cakes of course any more anyone? Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of e-mail ensoramanda Sent: 06 October 2010 11:39 To: Dennis Miller Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book Hi All, Just had to share thiswhen this post came up after all the talk of eating meteorites I completely misread it and thought there was actually a new Meteorite CATERING book!!gave me a good laugh anyway. So anyone got any recipes to go with the Tucson Auction Cake? Perhaps we can put our own book together... Franconia Frangipane served in a Gold Basin with a side order of Tucson Ring doughnuts? Must be nearly lunchtime :-) Graham, Nr Bar-well! UK On 6 October 2010 02:13, Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Anita and all I sent a post a few weeks ago about this publication. It can be purchased through The Geological Society of America for $99 and if you are a member of the GSA, it's only $70. 1-888-443-4472 This is just one of many reasons to join the GSA. If more meteorite collectors were members, we would have a better avenue, through the GSA, to change some of these vague laws for collecting space material. Dennis Miller GSA Associate Member Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:49:13 -0700 From: anitawestl...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book Dear List: I received notice of this new book on cratering. It's a little pricey at $112.92, but here's the link if you're interested: http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/page8278.html Anita __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Munich 2010
Hi Listees Anyone going this year? Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals Department of Natural Sciences National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Scotland Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk Shining Lights, the story of Scotlands lighthouses starts 15 October at the National Museum of Scotland. www.nms.ac.uk/shininglights National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Catering Book
lots of minerals for good health! I don't think the aluminium in cai's would be very healthy for you and manganese or iron in high concentrations can be fatal. Especially in youngsters or rodents. Nantans ground up and mixed with grain would make a nice rodent poison. Rust makes severe constipation resulting in impacted bowels causing rodents to die. Cheers! Steve Dunklee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Munich 2010
Hi Peter, Philippe Schmitt-Kopplin and myself will be visiting GEOFA on Friday 29. Hope to see you there and share with you some good local lager... Best wishes, Zelimir At 15:06 06/10/2010, Peter Davidson wrote: Hi Listees Anyone going this year? Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals Department of Natural Sciences National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Scotland Tel: 00 44 131 247 4283 E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk Shining Lights, the story of Scotlands lighthouses starts 15 October at the National Museum of Scotland. www.nms.ac.uk/shininglights National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite
Uh Mike, will you beat me up, when I say, that for me in such pictures the soil around is always more fascinating, hence Mars itself instead of Campo on Mars? Eeeek.. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 04:25 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Sorry if this has already been posted, but this pic is incredible: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/gallery/pia13418.html Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Can't Explain Strange Spiral
Eric... Scientists are baffled by a strange spiral phenomenon. http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1774.html Are we looking at the birth of a star? Is that dust? Gas? Both? Any scientists out there have any opinions? NASA's caption is misleading. scientists actually have a very good idea of what's going on. it's matter ejected from a dying star. to get the rest of the story, as the late Paul Harvey used to say, click on: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/102593154.html clear skies, Kelly J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite
Uh, Also that rock, which is without any doubts an iron meteorite, causes an intellectual problem for me. You know, some people/countries state that one essential property, a immanent property of any meteorite, whether found or not, is, that it is a c u l t u r a l heritage. What shall we do now with this meteorite? If that legal definition is correct, then it must be a cultural heritage. But of whom? And so far we have no evidence that once on that far planet Mars life had exist, life at all, even not intelligent life, able to develop a culture. So what shall we do with that lump? It's without doubts a meteorite. Or is it in the end the counter-evidence, that the definition of meteorites per se being cultural items, is wrong? ? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 16:31 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Uh Mike, will you beat me up, when I say, that for me in such pictures the soil around is always more fascinating, hence Mars itself instead of Campo on Mars? Eeeek.. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 04:25 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Sorry if this has already been posted, but this pic is incredible: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/gallery/pia13418.html Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite
Hi Martin, Technically there are space treaty's that are already in place, though not everyone is signed up or ratified (as usual with treaty's!). So no nation has recognized rights of ownership over space. (Basically this is a massive cop out), and as far as i'm concerned whoever recovers the rock is the owner, so any volunteers to go to Mars and get it?! To be honest we are a long way off ownership disputes on Mars, as we can't even agree over who owns the oil under the Arctic!! Nearer on the horizon is just wait till they start Harvesting He3 from the Moon - that will probably cause some clashes!! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: 06 October 2010 15:49 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Uh, Also that rock, which is without any doubts an iron meteorite, causes an intellectual problem for me. You know, some people/countries state that one essential property, a immanent property of any meteorite, whether found or not, is, that it is a c u l t u r a l heritage. What shall we do now with this meteorite? If that legal definition is correct, then it must be a cultural heritage. But of whom? And so far we have no evidence that once on that far planet Mars life had exist, life at all, even not intelligent life, able to develop a culture. So what shall we do with that lump? It's without doubts a meteorite. Or is it in the end the counter-evidence, that the definition of meteorites per se being cultural items, is wrong? ? Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 16:31 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Uh Mike, will you beat me up, when I say, that for me in such pictures the soil around is always more fascinating, hence Mars itself instead of Campo on Mars? Eeeek.. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 04:25 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite Sorry if this has already been posted, but this pic is incredible: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/multimedia/gallery/pia13418.html Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]
Thank you, Matthias, Martin, Sterling, Chris and others I may have inadvertantly missed for providing such comprehensive science, photography and speculation on the provenance and composition of the Hajar-al-Aswad. I also thank Ted and Jan for sharing their experience and images. I'm pleased to see that the predominant view, held also by Norbert, is that the Black Stone (It's not really black..now is it?)is a meteorite. And if I were asked... I would postulate that it is an iron based on the excellent photos shown to me last year. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Matthias Bärmann majbaerm...@web.de Sent: Oct 6, 2010 2:50 AM To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] Nice photograph of the Hajar al-Aswad also here: http://www.toursaudiarabia.com/kaaba/kaaba-3-high.html Thank you, Sterling, for pointing to Ted's adventure. Same subject, approached by our friend from Poland Jan Woreczko: http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/travels/Stambul_2010/BlackStone-EN.htm Great, my respect to Ted and Jan! Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] Martin, Count Deiro, List, The Sokollu Mehmet Pasha Mosque in Istanbul is said to contain a fragment of the Mecca meteorite: http://www.suite101.com/content/istanbuls-elegant-little-mosque-a212930 Ted Brattstrom posted this photo essay about his search for the six fragments said to be housed in Istanbul here: http://kauscience.k12.hi.us/~ted/Blackstone/hajar-al-aswad.htm Count, the above link contains a photo of the Ka'aba meteorite in its silver mount. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] See also: http://imca.cc/insights/2006/IMCA-Insights04.htm Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Spratt Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 01:34 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures] The stone at Paphos is not a meteorite. I've seen it and touched it. Sacred perhaps, but not a meteorite. Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Densities - Brother Guy
or for the cheap people ordinary playground white sand purchased at wal mart cheers Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Sale page update: BRA - EUC - DIO - HOW - CC - OC
Dear list members, Link for BRACHINITES: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id41.html Link for EUCRITES, DIOGENITES and HOWARDITES: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id54.html Link for CHONDRITES: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id1.html Link for a CK5/6: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id43.html Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747 Bern, Switzerland http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly found planet?
Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
Although an exploration mission certainly is not going to happen anytime in the next few decades or longer, it wouldn't require an unrealistic advance in propulsion technology to get a small spacecraft that distance in a fairly reasonable time- say a couple hundred years. You don't need to travel the speed of light. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
Why not send a probe - like a time bottle - would take many 1000's of years, but it would be really cool if we did. Maybe a way to get a lot of countries to unite on a common venture - we could call the probe The Enterprise Greg S. From: c...@alumni.caltech.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:12:08 -0600 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Although an exploration mission certainly is not going to happen anytime in the next few decades or longer, it wouldn't require an unrealistic advance in propulsion technology to get a small spacecraft that distance in a fairly reasonable time- say a couple hundred years. You don't need to travel the speed of light. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
It would be expensive. It's hard to imagine the political and economic models we live under supporting such a mission without clear and short-term benefits. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Why not send a probe - like a time bottle - would take many 1000's of years, but it would be really cool if we did. Maybe a way to get a lot of countries to unite on a common venture - we could call the probe The Enterprise Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Close-up of Iron Martian Meteorite
Hi Mark, but technically - and that's why we all shall let our fingers from them - some argue and believe that the object meteorite in itself is a cultural heritage. Even some curators! No matter whether it has been found yet, no matter if ever human hand had touched it. (Like the rock on Mars). See also Schmitt/McEwans grotesque (and formally ineligible) interpretation of the UNESCO convention. over who owns the oil under the Arctic!! Neither it seems totally clear for the Antarctic meteorites, but they at least could be regarded as cultural heritage, although Antarctica never was settled by humans, because they are products of scientific expeditions. Btw. the Antarctic meteorites, look, there also very dishonorably was discussed, to spark a hysteria: Working Paper submitted by SCAR Committee for Environmental Protection The Hague, The Netherlands, 11-15 September 2000 ANTARCTIC METEORITES http://www.scar.org/treaty/cep/cepiiipapers/meteorites.html The problem of private expeditions The biggest concern is that active recovery of Antarctic meteorites by private or other non-governmental groups will result in the loss of specimens to science. Throughout human history, meteorites have been assigned uncommon value and been actively sought out by both scientists and private collectors. The lure of meteorites has in turn given them both commercial and assumed value, and unfortunately often proves strong enough to encourage illegal activities. For example, in spite of laws forbidding the export of meteorites, an extremely active and systematic black market in the countries of the Sahara has resulted in the loss of thousands of specimens in recent years. In contrast to the altruistic Antarctic sample distribution systems, only a tiny, non-representative sample of Saharan meteorites end up in scientific repositories endash; and these only in exchange for money. Even the most mundane samples are of great value commercially. Ordinary chondrites, the most common type of meteorite (about 90% of what falls) typically sell for US $1endash;10 per gram depending on a specimen's state of weathering and completeness; similar to the price of gold. Martian meteorites typically sell for about 100 to 1000 times as much, and unique Martian meteorite samples may sell for perhaps US $30,000endash;50,000 per gram - approaching the price of cut, flawless diamond. Money can thus be a powerful driving force behind meteorite recovery. Similar problems plague the field of paleontology as well. Cool, isn't it? Totally barefaced lies. Disgusting. In 2000 even not in Algeria any laws existed. Neither any black market existed, but a white market - and extremely active, well we had a fraction of the meteorite dealers of today, and today there still aren't many more than a handful. Cruel lies, that thousands of samples would have been lost for science. In 2000, there the very first NWA-numbers appeared, ...and thousands? DaGs and Acfers we had some. And those were the times, where even ordinary chondrites were still classified. Hence all the type and deposit specimens coming in to the institutes - and like today of course for free and not for money. And whether the especially significant meteorites were really so lost? A short glimpse into the catalogues of the most renown museums and institutional collections show - they are there, they all have them. Prices - how sordid - of course none of the desert-OCs had cost 10$ a gram! And I have my list here, 30.000 and 50.000$ for Martians??? Yes. For Chassigny pinhead-size perhaps and nothing else. Chassigny is no desert find. Or check this: Unfortunately Antarctic meteorites, because of their rarity on the market, have exaggerated trade value. For example, the largest meteorite found in Antarctica (ALH76009) was recovered in the first season of the ANSMET program before strict protocols were in place. It consisted of dozens of scattered fragments totaling more than 440 kg. A few pieces ended up outside of scientific controls, and occasionally they can be found for sale. Asking price is typically US $500-600 per gram. Honestly, still a few years ago we all were selling and swapping ALH76009 at prices between 30 and 50$ a gram. Although this is a document of distressing ignorance, I won't look, who the authors were, because it is an old document, a document of a period. It breathes the musty air of the Australian mess and certainly Schmitt/McEwans were inspired by this paper too. Today scientists in general aren't so ivory-tower anymore. History proved, that they were going wrong. Exactly because there weren't any laws in the desert countries, all could develop so well, that we have today now so many exiting meteorites and more meteorites than in Antarctica were found, and supplied at so much more altruistic expenses to public, curators, scientists, collectors than the Antarctic finds. Problem of those times were, that there was no corrective to such extremist positions
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:12:08 -0600, you wrote: Although an exploration mission certainly is not going to happen anytime in the next few decades or longer, it wouldn't require an unrealistic advance in propulsion technology to get a small spacecraft that distance in a fairly reasonable time- say a couple hundred years. You don't need to travel the speed of light. So nobody has to redo the math: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2010/10/04/so-how-long-would-it-take-to-travel-to-that-exciting-new-exoplanet/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Opportunity's Close-up of a Meteorite on Mars: 'Oilean Ruaidh'
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm?id=2626 Opportunity's Close-up of a Meteorite: 'Oilean Ruaidh' Jet Propulsion Laboratory October 5, 2010 [Image] This is an image of the meteorite that NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity found and examined in September 2010. Opportunity's cameras first revealed the meteorite in images taken on Sol 2363 (Sept. 16, 2010), the 2,363rd Martian day of the rover's mission on Mars. This view was taken with the panoramic camera on Sol 2371 (Sept. 24, 2010). The science team used two tools on Opportunity's arm -- the microscopic imager and the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer -- to inspect the rock's texture and composition. Information from the spectrometer confirmed that the rock is a nickel-iron meteorite. The team informally named the rock Oilean Ruaidh (pronounced ay-lan ruah), which is the Gaelic name for an island off the coast of northwestern Ireland. Opportunity departed Oilean Ruaidh and resumed its journey toward the mission's long-term destination, Endeavour Crater, on Sol 2374 (Sept. 28, 2010) with a drive of about 100 meters (328 feet). This view, presented in approximately true color, combines component images taken through three Pancam filters admitting wavelengths of 601 nanometers, 535 nanometers and 482 nanometers. Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Cornell University __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The black stone in the wall of the Ka'ba (Part 1 of 3)
BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris, Meteorites in History, pp. 221-223: The black stone in the wall of the Ka'ba is a holy relic. Muslim religious leaders know its origin and history through oral tradition and written records, and they have cooperated with inquisitive Westerners to the extent of providing this information and giving a cursory description of the stone. Thus, although many have speculated since the early nineteenth century that the black stone was a meteorite, there is no proof that such is the case. Recent studies, in fact, discount its meteoritic origin. Paul Partsch, curator of the Vienna cabinet, published the first comprehensive history of the black stone in 1857. He relied on the travel accounts of Carsten Niebuhr (1772), J.L. Burck- hardt (1814), and Ali Bey (1807), and also corresponded with Ritter von Laurin, the Austrian general consul in Egypt. In his official capacity, von Laurin knew Mohammed Ali, viceroy of Egypt, who had in 1817 defeated the fanatic, heretical sect of Wahhabis and retrieved the holy stone, a fragment of which he kept. Von Laurin saw this fragment and described it in his letter to Partsch, adding that an English resident who had also viewed the stone considered it to be a meteorite. Although Partsch was cautious, he favored the stone's meteoritic origin, and authorities accepted this opinion. The legend is that the stone came from paradise. In one version, it was initially Adam's guardian angel, who was transformed into a stone as punishment for Adam's fall. The angel Gabriel gave the stone to the patriarch, Abraham, to build into his house or into the first Ka'ba. There was indeed a temple on the site, dating from about A.D. 200 and housing idols, which the Arabs worshiped before the time of the prophet Mohammed (570-632), but it was destroyed, possibly by fire, during his lifetime. Mohammed placed the stone in the wall at the northeast corner of the shrine when it was rebuilt. It was subsequently broken on at least four occasions: once by a fire; twice by fanatic sects who took possession of the stone for a time; and once by invading Egyptian troops, whose leader shattered it with a maul. Reports state that on each occasion the recovered pieces were cemented together with mortar, and the whole bound with a silver hoop. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The black stone in the wall of the Ka'ba (Part 2 of 3)
BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris, Meteorites in History, pp. 221-223: It is impossible to estimate the original size of the stone or even its present dimensions. One observer in the early tenth century wrote that it had a length of 1 cubit (slightly over 2 feet). Another, who saw it during the remodeling of the wall in the early seventeenth century, stated that it measured 1.5 by 1.33 yards. Ali Bey stated that it was 42 inches high, and Mohammed Ali reported that it was 2.5 feet long and 1.5 feet high. At present, the exposed face, which is surrounded by a wide oval frame of silver, measures 20 by 16 cm - approximately the same dimensions of the face recorded by Ali Bey. Burckhardt wrote that the face was composed of a dozen smaller stones of various sizes and shapes; at present eight small pieces comprise the face, the largest about the size of a date. The criteria for judging what mineral species the stone contains have been the color, texture, and estimated specific gravity. According to one legend, the angel gave Abraham a transparent hyacinth; according to another, it was originally pure white and became black either because it was kissed by a sinner or because of the sins of mankind. The exterior face of the stone is black and highly polished, due to its having been rubbed by millions of pilgrims. Modern observers report that there are a few white or yellow dots on the face, and an official record states that it is white with the exception of the face. Von Laurin described the fragment he saw, which was purportedly carried away by Mohammed Ali, as having a pitch-black exterior and a silver-gray, fine-grained interior, in which tiny bottle-green cubes were embedded. Burckhardt wrote that it was difficult to judge the quality of the stone, but that it appeared to be lava. The English resident Lyons, who, according to von Laurin, thought the stone was a meteorite, remarked that it was heavy. Another report, however, stated that it floated on water; this quality permitted the identification of the pieces recovered from its initial theft. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The black stone in the wall of the Ka'ba (Part 3 of 3)
BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris, Meteorites in History, pp. 221-223: Partsch evidently favored a meteoritic origin of the stone, both because of von Laurin's description of the black exterior of the fragment he viewed, its interior texture, and its purported heaviness, and because Muslims said that it came from heaven and venerated it as the Greeks and Romans venerated similar stones not too far distant in time and place. In 1974 Dietz and McHone emphasized that the Muslims do not claim that the stone is a meteorite. They postulated that the stone is an agate, because of the high polish it displays among other physical attributes and because an Arab geologist, who studied the stone carefully during a pilgrimage to Mecca, reported that diffusion banding is clearly discernible within the stone. In 1980, however, Thomsen presented a different hypothesis. She suggested that the stone may be a chunk of impactite glass, mined from one of the meteorite craters at Wabar in the so-called Empty Quarter of central Saudi Arabia, about 1,100 km from Mecca. She pointed out that the whiteness may derive from an exposure of the interior white core of a bomb or... from a large fragment of white glass or sandstone, and that the whiteness remains only where it is protected by cement. Further, she wrote: The yellow and white spots may be remnants of glass and/or sandstone. The porosity which allows it to float is due to vesicles in the glass, and the resistance of the material to abrasion due to the hardness of the glass. The blackness results from the nickeliferous iron spherules captured from an explosion cloud of Ni and Fe. Thomsen also thinks that ancient Arabs may have observed the meteorite fall, estimated to have occurred about six thousand years ago, and that natives later carried the impactite glass to Mecca along a caravan route. Thus, there is now considerable doubt that the black stone of the Ka'ba is a meteorite. Partsch Paul (1857) Über den schwarzen Stein in der Kaaba zu Mekka (Denkschriften der Akademie der Wissenschaften, Wien, 13, pp. 1-5). Dietz R., McHone J. (1974) Kaaba Stone: Probably an agate (Meteoritics 9, pp. 173-179) Thomsen Elsebeth (1980) New light on the origin of the Holy Black Stone of the Ka'ba (Meteoritics 15, pp. 87-91). -- Regards, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 6, 2010
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES October 6, 2010 o New Impact Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_019195_2175 o Possible Cinder Cone on the Southern Flank of Pavonis Mons http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_002671_1790 o Dunes in Herschel Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_002728_1645 o Fractured Mounds in Elysium Planitia http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_003597_1765 o Lots of Layering in Becquerel Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_003656_2015 o Flow Obstructions and Wakes Southeast of Elysium http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_003663_1775 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Orbiters Observe New Impact Crater on Mars
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_019195_2175 New Impact Crater (ESP_019195_2175) [Image] The MRO Context camera team noticed a dark spot in an image taken in August 2010 that was not present in a Mars Odyssey THEMIS image taken in December 2007. The team therefore requested a full-resolution HiRISE image of the dark spot to determine whether it was caused by an impact. Indeed, the HiRISE image shows an approximately 7 meter-diameter fresh crater and dark ejecta blanket at this location. These small impact craters continue to form on Mars, and are most easily recognized in areas covered by bright dust. Written by: Ken Herkenhoff Original release: 6 October 2010 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Orgueil, Karoonda, Angrite, Diogenite and more
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Densities - Brother Guy
Hi, I thought this thread had died out. However, while Wal-Mart playground sand would give good results, you could try this: go to a construction materials dealer or a hardware store and get White Flint Sand (the ultimate playbox sand). The last time I bought some, it was definitely in 500-micron and smaller sizes. Wash the sand first to remove dust and fines. Then, sift some through a series of graduated screens until you find the grade of screen through which nothing passes. Use the next coarsest screen to get the finest particles. Unless you're measuring giant meteorites, the amount of sand required is not great. I searched for suppliers of volumetric glass beads. Most such beads are 3 to 6 mm in size and often irregular (and expensive). The beads used in the lab procedure described by Brother Guy were undoubtedly these: http://www.amazon.com/3M-Empore-Filter-Inert-microns/dp/B0017Y3KF0/ref=sr_1_15?s=industrialie=UTF8qid=1286391461sr=1-15 They are: 3M Empore Filter Aid 400; Inert Glass Beads Avg Dia. 40 microns; With Scoop; 1.5kg --- $107.49. 3M makes everything, doesn't it? $200 to $300 ought to be enough to measure meteorite density the same way. Here's 100 to 150 micron beads at $42/pound: http://www.amazon.com/Glass-Beads-0-1-0-15-mm/dp/B003NV7KOM/ref=sr_1_22?s=industrialie=UTF8qid=1286391774sr=1-22 Says the Wikipedia: As the term is used by geologists, sand particles range in diameter from 0.0625mm (or 1⁄16 mm, or 62.5 micrometers) to 2 millimeters. I suspect White Flint Sand sifted for its smallest sizes would likely fall into the 100-150 micron range. [Buying some White Flint Sand, sifting, and then measuring its particle sizes is left as an exercise for the student.] The smallest interstitial space of spheres in a lattice is 26% of the volume of the spheres, of cubes, about 50%. That volume is the error you introduce into the volume measurement (when multiplied by the surface area of the meteorite. The smaller the particle size, the smaller the error. The error introduced by measuring an one centimeter rock with 100 micron cubic particles (like sand) is approximately 0.05%. The error introduced by measuring it with 40 micron spherical particles is approximately 0.01%. Even the error with half- millimeter (500 micron) spherical particles is only 0.25%. The bigger the meteorite, the smaller the error. Doubling the size of the meteorite to 2 centimeters cuts the error in half, and doubling again to 4-cm to 1/4th of the 1-cm error. Measuring a less-than-2-inch meteorite with 100-micron sand has an error so small, you're almost certain to make a bigger error somewhere else... Publish your results. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com To: damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; volcano...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Densities - Brother Guy or for the cheap people ordinary playground white sand purchased at wal mart cheers Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] a great IMB a real picasso enjoy,
hello all enjoy some great meteorite http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ aziz habibi __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites?
This is the bow wave which we see as a cross section of a cone. It is the front boundary of a zone of compression twixt the bow wave and the surface of the meteor. The green color is from atmospheric oxygen being heated to the point of emitting its spectra bands which when combined together appears as green light The wave is usually too faint for a camera to pick up I'd love a link. Elton - Original Message From: David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 7:56:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites? Hi All, While checking-out available video footage of meteor falls I notice there appears to be a green colored glow emitting from the front of some meteors. Is this due to air pollution or is there another possible cause such as a chemical composition of particularly green glowing meteors being the likely cause? Too basic a question? Pardon my asking. Thanks. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
To The List Travel Club: A 0.008c probe could be built tomorrow (got cash?). It would take about 2600 years to reach the Gliese 581 system and maneuver through it and we could hope the instrument packages would have survived. Here's the real argument against primitive interstellar probes: the velocity of technological advancement is greater than the speed of primitive probes. In 200 years, the 2600-year probe would be overtaken by a 800-year probe. In another century, they would both be passed by the next-generation system of propulsion, and so forth. And by the time any of these probes could get there, we might be able to go ourselves in a reasonable time (by the ship's clocks). On the other hand, we might be able to make a 100-year probe by the end of the century. For now, we need to concentrate on survey and data collection technologies. For probe technology, I refer you to the 1973-78 study by the British Interplanetary Society -- Project Daedalus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus The project is currently being designed as Project Icarus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus_%28Interstellar_Probe_Design_Study%29 See also the 1987-88 study by NASA and the Air Force, Project Longshot (good name) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:37:43 -0500, you wrote: On the other hand, we might be able to make a 100-year probe by the end of the century. Just playing around with that time-frame. To get a probe there in 100-years (with a probe that accelerates to the mid-point, flips over, then decelerates to the destination) at a constant acceleration would require the acceleration to be .00825 Gs. Maximum speed would be around .39 c. To make the trip in 200 years would require .002 Gs and a maximum of .02 c. (Using this calculator and a distance of 10.5 ly) http://mysite.verizon.net/res148h4j/javascript/script_starship.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? We gotta do something! Greg S. From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; stanleygr...@hotmail.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com CC: c...@alumni.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:37:43 -0500 To The List Travel Club: A 0.008c probe could be built tomorrow (got cash?). It would take about 2600 years to reach the Gliese 581 system and maneuver through it and we could hope the instrument packages would have survived. Here's the real argument against primitive interstellar probes: the velocity of technological advancement is greater than the speed of primitive probes. In 200 years, the 2600-year probe would be overtaken by a 800-year probe. In another century, they would both be passed by the next-generation system of propulsion, and so forth. And by the time any of these probes could get there, we might be able to go ourselves in a reasonable time (by the ship's clocks). On the other hand, we might be able to make a 100-year probe by the end of the century. For now, we need to concentrate on survey and data collection technologies. For probe technology, I refer you to the 1973-78 study by the British Interplanetary Society -- Project Daedalus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus The project is currently being designed as Project Icarus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus_%28Interstellar_Probe_Design_Study%29 See also the 1987-88 study by NASA and the Air Force, Project Longshot (good name) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? How about all the re-runs of I Love Lucy? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet?
The message has already been sent! Social Networking has reached out to the stars. In October 2008, members of the networking website Bebo beamed A Message From Earth, a high-power transmission at Gliese 581, using the RT-70 radio telescope belonging to the National Space Agency of Ukraine. This transmission is due to arrive in the Gliese 581 system's vicinity by the year 2029; the earliest possible arrival for a response, should there be one, would be in 2049. Transmission of such a message from U.S. soil is a criminal offense, I believe. Or at least, frowned upon. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? We gotta do something! Greg S. From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; stanleygr...@hotmail.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com CC: c...@alumni.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:37:43 -0500 To The List Travel Club: A 0.008c probe could be built tomorrow (got cash?). It would take about 2600 years to reach the Gliese 581 system and maneuver through it and we could hope the instrument packages would have survived. Here's the real argument against primitive interstellar probes: the velocity of technological advancement is greater than the speed of primitive probes. In 200 years, the 2600-year probe would be overtaken by a 800-year probe. In another century, they would both be passed by the next-generation system of propulsion, and so forth. And by the time any of these probes could get there, we might be able to go ourselves in a reasonable time (by the ship's clocks). On the other hand, we might be able to make a 100-year probe by the end of the century. For now, we need to concentrate on survey and data collection technologies. For probe technology, I refer you to the 1973-78 study by the British Interplanetary Society -- Project Daedalus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus The project is currently being designed as Project Icarus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus_%28Interstellar_Probe_Design_Study%29 See also the 1987-88 study by NASA and the Air Force, Project Longshot (good name) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
We have already sent them I Love Lucy, just by broadcasting it from October 15, 1951 to May 6, 1957. In the Fifties, the radio brightness of the Earth was about 700 times greater than our Sun's radio brightness. A bright radio source in orbit about a G-class star is like firing up a beacon for everyone within 50 lightyears, one that screams Yoo-Hoo! There are about 2000 stars (in 1400 star systems) within 50 lightyears of us, all of whom have gotten all the episodes of I Love Lucy by now. About 133 of these stars are similar to our Sun. Here's a map of our Neighborhood: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/50lys.html and Gliese 581 isn't bright enough to make the cut; it's not on the map. Nobody cares about red dwarves... There are 33 stars with 12.5 lightyears of us. http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/12lys.html Most of those stars could have sent us a message after they watched the first episode of Gunsmoke and we would have had the message before the show went off the air. An alien civilization fascinated by Soul Train (and who isn't?) could have watched the first few years of the show and sent us a message we'd have by now out to 20-22 lightyears. Maybe we won't hear from them until they find out their favorite show was cancelled? Or maybe they're satisfied to just watch the re-runs of Star Trek? Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? How about all the re-runs of I Love Lucy? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:11:15 -0500, you wrote: Maybe we won't hear from them until they find out their favorite show was cancelled? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Aliens_Attack __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The black stone in the wall of the Ka'ba (Part 3 of 3)
For the Wabar glass hypothesis - the Wabar craters are too young. http://www.agu.org/journals/ABS/2004/2003JE002136.shtml http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2003M%26PSA..38..155B Best, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2010 21:25 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] The black stone in the wall of the Ka'ba (Part 3 of 3) In 1980, however, Thomsen presented a different hypothesis. She suggested that the stone may be a chunk of impactite glass, mined from one of the meteorite craters at Wabar in the so-called Empty Quarter of central Saudi Arabia, about 1,100 km from Mecca. She pointed out that the whiteness may derive from an exposure of the interior white core of a bomb or... from a large fragment of white glass or sandstone, and that the whiteness remains only where it is protected by cement. Further, she wrote: The yellow and white spots may be remnants of glass and/or sandstone. The porosity which allows it to float is due to vesicles in the glass, and the resistance of the material to abrasion due to the hardness of the glass. The blackness results from the nickeliferous iron spherules captured from an explosion cloud of Ni and Fe. Thomsen also thinks that ancient Arabs may have observed the meteorite fall, estimated to have occurred about six thousand years ago, and that natives later carried the impactite glass to Mecca along a caravan route. -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites?
There is probably a more accurate way of saying it but, I would venture to guess it's being emitted by the oxygen in the atmosphere as it is heated/excited by the bow shock wave in front of the meteor as it pushes through the atmosphere... Original Message: - From: David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 07:56:14 -0400 (EDT) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites? Hi All, While checking-out available video footage of meteor falls I notice there appears to be a green colored glow emitting from the front of some meteors. Is this due to air pollution or is there another possible cause such as a chemical composition of particularly green glowing meteors being the likely cause? Too basic a question? Pardon my asking. Thanks. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites?
Wish I could help you with a link, but I did not think to save. A quick google search of a meteorite video captured by high school football moms over a Texas, I believe, Friday night football might suffice. Not all the many offered football mom video shoots of this spectacular meteorite fall captured the green glow but some of them did. The meteor traversed the video field of vision from right to left which left me with the distinct impression that it was traveling from east to west, although I have no factual data to verify that gut reaction. Dave Gunning This is the bow wave which we see as a cross section of a cone. It is the front boundary of a zone of compression twixt the bow wave and the surface of the meteor. The green color is from atmospheric oxygen being heated to the point of emitting its spectra bands which when combined together appears as green light The wave is usually too faint for a camera to pick up I'd love a link. Elton - Original Message From: David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 7:56:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites? Hi All, While checking-out available video footage of meteor falls I notice there appears to be a green colored glow emitting from the front of some meteors. Is this due to air pollution or is there another possible cause such as a chemical composition of particularly green glowing meteors being the likely cause? Too basic a question? Pardon my asking. Thanks. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites?
There are 360 possible directions the camera could be facing horizontally. Determining and East/West trajectory from one video is impossible without knowing the direction the camera was facing. Eric On 10/6/2010 4:43 PM, David Gunning wrote: Wish I could help you with a link, but I did not think to save. A quick google search of a meteorite video captured by high school football moms over a Texas, I believe, Friday night football might suffice. Not all the many offered football mom video shoots of this spectacular meteorite fall captured the green glow but some of them did. The meteor traversed the video field of vision from right to left which left me with the distinct impression that it was traveling from east to west, although I have no factual data to verify that gut reaction. Dave Gunning This is the bow wave which we see as a cross section of a cone. It is the front boundary of a zone of compression twixt the bow wave and the surface of the meteor. The green color is from atmospheric oxygen being heated to the point of emitting its spectra bands which when combined together appears as green light The wave is usually too faint for a camera to pick up I'd love a link. Elton - Original Message From: David Gunningdavidgunn...@fairpoint.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 7:56:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites? Hi All, While checking-out available video footage of meteor falls I notice there appears to be a green colored glow emitting from the front of some meteors. Is this due to air pollution or is there another possible cause such as a chemical composition of particularly green glowing meteors being the likely cause? Too basic a question? Pardon my asking. Thanks. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet?
Why is it illegal?? -- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 5:43 PM To: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newlyfoundplanet? The message has already been sent! Social Networking has reached out to the stars. In October 2008, members of the networking website Bebo beamed A Message From Earth, a high-power transmission at Gliese 581, using the RT-70 radio telescope belonging to the National Space Agency of Ukraine. This transmission is due to arrive in the Gliese 581 system's vicinity by the year 2029; the earliest possible arrival for a response, should there be one, would be in 2049. Transmission of such a message from U.S. soil is a criminal offense, I believe. Or at least, frowned upon. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Ok then - how about a Radio Transmission. I would assume we are doing this. What would we send? We gotta do something! Greg S. From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; stanleygr...@hotmail.com; steve.dunk...@yahoo.com CC: c...@alumni.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:37:43 -0500 To The List Travel Club: A 0.008c probe could be built tomorrow (got cash?). It would take about 2600 years to reach the Gliese 581 system and maneuver through it and we could hope the instrument packages would have survived. Here's the real argument against primitive interstellar probes: the velocity of technological advancement is greater than the speed of primitive probes. In 200 years, the 2600-year probe would be overtaken by a 800-year probe. In another century, they would both be passed by the next-generation system of propulsion, and so forth. And by the time any of these probes could get there, we might be able to go ourselves in a reasonable time (by the ship's clocks). On the other hand, we might be able to make a 100-year probe by the end of the century. For now, we need to concentrate on survey and data collection technologies. For probe technology, I refer you to the 1973-78 study by the British Interplanetary Society -- Project Daedalus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus The project is currently being designed as Project Icarus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Icarus_%28Interstellar_Probe_Design_Study%29 See also the 1987-88 study by NASA and the Air Force, Project Longshot (good name) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Steve Dunklee To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '100 percent' chance for life on newly foundplanet? Gee only 20 light years away. Since it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a small mass to the speed of light. I guess the world may never know! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites?
I think that video was the peekskil meteor(ite). There are literally dozens of videos of that green fireball on videos of H.S. Football. Best, Joe Kerchner Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 19:43:51 To: MEMmstrema...@yahoo.com Reply-To: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites? Wish I could help you with a link, but I did not think to save. A quick google search of a meteorite video captured by high school football moms over a Texas, I believe, Friday night football might suffice. Not all the many offered football mom video shoots of this spectacular meteorite fall captured the green glow but some of them did. The meteor traversed the video field of vision from right to left which left me with the distinct impression that it was traveling from east to west, although I have no factual data to verify that gut reaction. Dave Gunning This is the bow wave which we see as a cross section of a cone. It is the front boundary of a zone of compression twixt the bow wave and the surface of the meteor. The green color is from atmospheric oxygen being heated to the point of emitting its spectra bands which when combined together appears as green light The wave is usually too faint for a camera to pick up I'd love a link. Elton - Original Message From: David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 7:56:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Green Glowing Meteorites? Hi All, While checking-out available video footage of meteor falls I notice there appears to be a green colored glow emitting from the front of some meteors. Is this due to air pollution or is there another possible cause such as a chemical composition of particularly green glowing meteors being the likely cause? Too basic a question? Pardon my asking. Thanks. Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] First attempt at photographing thin sections
Thanks everyone who gave me such positive feedback on my thin section images. I've since spent a number of hours fixing some problems and refining my technique to the point where I am spending much more time looking at my specimens and exploring them to find interesting features than I am actually making and processing the image. I also did some basic calibrations of my field of views and found that in one setup I'm using I'm getting about 0.25 micron resolution. For those of you interested, I've rearranged my album on Facebook a little and added a number of additional images of Juancheng another Allende and another Pena Blanca Springs. If you are interested, the album is at the same location I sent previously, http://tinyurl.com/27uj6tk Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] trades and make reasonable offers
Hi list.I am willing to make trades or reasonable offers on all my ebay items.Please off list. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! http://Chicagometeorites.com/ ebay:Illinoismeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trades and make reasonable offers
Steve? What part of illegal do you not understand? Steve, it is a felony to interfere with an auction house's auction even if you are the owner of the item. Taking away the item you placed with them is defrauding them and deriving them of their commission. Again you show how you screw over everyone yet those lemmings keep buying from you, taking advantage of your incredibly poor business practices of buy high and sell low. I thought you had learned your lesson from past run ins with the law but apparently not. I guess it is time to mention your name again to the Illinois Attorney General--I have their consumer protection office on speed dial just for you. Maybe you can get some rehabilitation behind bars. And it is rather stupid to post to the public that you are engaging in illegal activities. Do you want to go to jail or just think you can slime your way onto probation again?. Elton PS: Whomever trades with Steve while the item is at auction is also a conspirator and subject to arrest and prosecution and forfeiture of the meteorite you traded for --so think carefully what a bargain this could actually be on the out chance that he Steve gets prosecuted. - Original Message From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 9:03:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] trades and make reasonable offers Hi list.I am willing to make trades or reasonable offers on all my ebay items.Please off list. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! http://Chicagometeorites.com/ ebay:Illinoismeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trades and make reasonable offers
No thanks. - Original Message - From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] trades and make reasonable offers Hi list.I am willing to make trades or reasonable offers on all my ebay items.Please off list. Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! http://Chicagometeorites.com/ ebay:Illinoismeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trades and make reasonable offers
Please disregard my last post. Steve's behavior is none of my business and I should have not said anything. I shouldn't care if no on else does. I got into Steve's personal business which I shouldn't have. Sorry Steve, Sorry List, Sorry Art. I'll try harder I have been good about not responding to Steve's posts for some time but did make an error this time and I ask forgiveness for pointing out illegal issues with Steve's offer. What he does is his business. I have no right to interfere and no obligation to help others avoid jail. My lawyer told me to say this and under advice of attorney I have done so Elton Zipped Mouth Jones __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
