[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
List, If someone out there with a baseball size or larger iron wouldn't mind performing a little test with it I would appreciate hearing back from them on how it turned out. To test what I had in mind you will need to make a couple metal divining rods out of coat hangers or something similar. Starting with an overall length of wire about 24 inches, make a 90 degree bend at about 6 inches from one end. Hold the short ends vertical, one in each hand and keep the long part close to horizontal and move over the iron. Do this some place away from any other metals and in an area where you don't get movement on the rods otherwise. What I'd like to know is, when you do move them over the iron meteorite, do they try to cross? Can you get movement on the rods if you are standing up and the meteorite is on the ground? If not, how close to you need to have the rods from the iron? Thanks in advance to anyone giving this a try for me. Mike in CO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:52 -0600, you wrote: If someone out there with a baseball size or larger iron wouldn't mind performing a little test with it I would appreciate hearing back from them on how it turned out. To test what I had in mind you will need to make a couple metal divining rods out of coat hangers or something similar. Let me save you some time-- diving rods are superstitious bullshit. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Maybe not the best method of locating but they do cross over some things. Water lines, phone lines, power lines, etc. I know they will cross over iron. Just curious if they will over meteoric iron also. On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Darren Garrison wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:52 -0600, you wrote: If someone out there with a baseball size or larger iron wouldn't mind performing a little test with it I would appreciate hearing back from them on how it turned out. To test what I had in mind you will need to make a couple metal divining rods out of coat hangers or something similar. Let me save you some time-- diving rods are superstitious bullshit. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
They do not cross over water, or over phone lines, or over anything else. Superstitious nonsense. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Michael Murray mmur...@montrose.net To: cyna...@charter.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Maybe not the best method of locating but they do cross over some things. Water lines, phone lines, power lines, etc. I know they will cross over iron. Just curious if they will over meteoric iron also. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
I couldn't resist on this one. With all due respect,some of the members of the list need to visit www.randi.org Thanks Darren for telling it like it is. You could win a million bucks from the James Randi Educational Foundation if you can show that divining rods, or any other Hooey can be proven in a double blind test. Good luck. So far thousands have attempted and none have made it past the initial screening. Respectfully Orrin LaRue Skeptic Surprise, Arizona On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:52 -0600, you wrote: If someone out there with a baseball size or larger iron wouldn't mind performing a little test with it I would appreciate hearing back from them on how it turned out. To test what I had in mind you will need to make a couple metal divining rods out of coat hangers or something similar. Let me save you some time-- diving rods are superstitious bullshit. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
I saw the Amazing Randi perform his stage act back in the '70s. He did some incredible things. He took two class rings from guys sitting right next to me and interlocked them. The rings were passed down the row to Randi and back and I held them before and after they were interlocked. It was amazing and I have no idea how he did it. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
I respect everyone's opinion on this. I expected there would b quite a few that think the method is BS. I really wasn't looking into this as a way of hunting meteorites. Actually was wanting to know whether or not it works over meteoric iron as another possible method of culling man-made iron on the unknowns. Still hope some open-mined person will give it a try over their iron meteorite. All the best, Mike On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Or wrote: I couldn't resist on this one. With all due respect,some of the members of the list need to visit www.randi.org Thanks Darren for telling it like it is. You could win a million bucks from the James Randi Educational Foundation if you can show that divining rods, or any other Hooey can be proven in a double blind test. Good luck. So far thousands have attempted and none have made it past the initial screening. Respectfully Orrin LaRue Skeptic Surprise, Arizona On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:52 -0600, you wrote: If someone out there with a baseball size or larger iron wouldn't mind performing a little test with it I would appreciate hearing back from them on how it turned out. To test what I had in mind you will need to make a couple metal divining rods out of coat hangers or something similar. Let me save you some time-- diving rods are superstitious bullshit. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) Ebay auctions, Howardite slice, 869 sphere and jewelry
I have some meteorites, spheres, slices and 869 products currently running on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280573270221ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IThttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310260042333ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITThanks,Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:54:10 -0700, you wrote: I couldn't resist on this one. With all due respect,some of the members of the list need to visit www.randi.org Randi himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtuWymUzz4 The ideomotor effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Arnold
I wish you a speedy recovery from your surgery.Get well soon. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Esquel for only $13 a gram? Natural History Auction ending soon!
Heritage Auction Galleries' first Natural History Internet Auction is set to end this Sunday and there are still many great pieces with low bids. The full catalog can be see here: http://historical.ha.com/common/auction/catalog.php?SaleNo=810091type=yinan-meteorite Amongst the current pieces with low bids or low starting bids: A 20.9 gram esquel is only at $260 right now: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81045type=yinan-meteorite A lady's watch with etched Gibeon face currently $48: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81013type=yinan-meteorite A 437 gram etched Nantan slice with nice inclusions, starting bid only $300: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81043type=yinan-meteorite A fine 20.7 gram moldavite: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81047type=yinan-meteorite A 1058 gram campo currently sitting at $260: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81041type=yinan-meteorite A 4500 gram campo with stand (and shaped kinda like a face in profile) at $400: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81015type=yinan-meteorite A Nantan with large troilite inclusion at $150: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81044type=yinan-meteorite An etched Sikhote Alin end piece: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81046 A large Muonionalusta: http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=810091Lot_No=81046 And many more pieces in all categories of Natural History. Feel free to contact me with any questions, Yinan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Featured Meteorite Gallery - Seeking AWESOME meteorite photos for the magazine
Featured Meteorite Gallery - Exquisite museum quality meteorite specimens. (See page 20-21 in July's premiere issue) http://www.mhcmagazine.com/current-issue/july-2010/ If you have an AWESOME photo of a spectacular meteorite. Send it in! Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dennis Cox comments re researching YDB ice comet fragment air bursts, USGS geochronology database: Rich Murray 2010.10.12
Dennis Cox comments re researching YDB ice comet fragment air bursts, USGS geochronology database: Rich Murray 2010.10.12 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_archive.htm Tuesday, October 12, 2010 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/73 [you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser] ___ I would enjoy guiding people for free to walk over public access sites in Santa Fe, New Mexico... The accelerating flood of evidence and new paradigms provided by Dennis Cox and others this year will spark a global contagion of collaboration, since so much can be confirmed by anyone via Google Earth -- usually verifiable on the ground near every location. I spent 2 hours with my buddy Michael on Sunday afternoon, hiking on a level public trail around Two Mile Reservoir, a little duck and beaver pond, just east of the end of Cerro Gordo Road at Upper Canyon Road, taking photos of air burst geo-ablative rocks and collecting two dozen GPS coordinates on its steep north slope. Truly, ...the answer was ablowing in the wind... 35.687928 -105.894945 http://cosmictusk.com/tusk-exclusive-vance-holliday-provides-powerful-critique-of-the-younger-dryas-boundary-theory#comments 27 comments Dennis Cox October 3, 2010 9:39 am [ http://craterhunter.wordpress.com/ ] ''...And any work which threatens to completely overturn the standard view on any given subject has almost no chance of getting published. Revelation of new, empirical fact often seems to take second place to maintaining a standard model or status quo. But the Internet is a way to make up for that. For example, I've cataloged hundreds of structures in the American southwest that indicate that, while his orbital dynamics don't fit the Taurid complex, (We can't get an icy moon of one of the gas giants as the point of origin for the Taurid progenitor.), it can be shown that E.M. Drobyshevski's theories about the explosive chemistry of icy bodies still hold up. [ http://tmgnow.com/TMG1/2009/12/28/a-different-kind-of-catastrophe/ http://theholocenecomet.blogspot.com/2010/01/planetary-scaring-of-younger-dryas.html http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0903/0903.3309.pdf 18 pages Tunguska-1908 and similar events in light of the New Explosive Cosmogony of minor bodies Edward M. Drobyshevski Ioffe Physical-Technical Institute, Russian Academy of Sciences, 194021 St-Petersburg, Russia E-mail: emd...@mail.ioffe.ru http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/23234/ 2009.03.27 article with comments ] And there are quite literally too many of the non-standard, two-bowl craters, that he describes, to count in west Texas and New Mexico. I may not live long enough to see any of it in the refereed literature. But I can make the data and galleries of image maps freely available online. This might be the best way anyway. Since we are talking about an event more violent than anything ever imagined before, much less studied, there are no words in any language to properly describe much of what I see. But I've found that the old and simple, tried and true, primate method of point and grunt seems to be working pretty good. So I've decided to simply put everything I find online -- to then let the whole world do the peer review part. I hope I'm not being too naive in hoping that the truth only needs to be brought out into the light in order to flourish. Dennis Cox October 5, 2010 11:45 am ...From ground level, a pyroclastic density current of airburst melt is indistinguishable from ordinary volcanic tuff. But the motive force for a volcanic density current is gravity pulling the high velocity materials down a slope. It doesn't work on flat ground. There is no provision in the standard model for it. But the motive force for airburst melt is atmospheric pressure, pushing the geo-ablative melt from behind, like the froth and foam, on a storm tossed beach. In both cases the materials are in atmospheric suspension while in motion. And the differences in motive force result in distinctly different forms in the patterns of movement and flow. And those patterns of movement become frozen in time at the moment of emplacement. The truth becomes written in stone. This means that we can scope out geologically young airburst melt in good satellite imagery with a very high degree of confidence. The final test has to be in the chemistry though. And it is going to be something our grandparents would never have thought to test for. The key here is going to be in the isotopes. Horton Newsom, at UNM, assures me that a siderophile element enrichment (Ni, Co, Cr, etc.) will be an important piece of evidence supporting an air burst origin. But, while we are looking at the isotopic mix, we need to get a better handle on the geo-chronology. Much of our assumptions in that area are due to using observed erosion rates in our estimates. No geologist of the past could have
[meteorite-list] (AD) Thin Section Collection for sale --(ACAP) (ADIO) (CV3) (CO3) (LL6/7!!!)---only 4 of them known
Good evening listees from chilly Ireland I am selling my 14 thin sections as a lot.If you really like the look of this deal I would just go ahead and hit the Paypal button at the bottom.There is the potential for high interest in this lot and in the case that I can't get the page down or the paypal button off and multiple people buy it now ,the collection would go to the first person to pay.Paypal do have a refund facility that costs nothing for seller or buyer so if I have to use that so be it. Included in the sale will be a thin section case that holds 100 thin sections and one penny priority shipping.Paypal wouldn't let me integrate free shipping into their button so I had to charge a penny. the list Cleo Springs (H4) NWA301 (H6) Allende (CV3.2) NWA 869 (L4-6) DAG 078 (CO3) NWA 1929 (AHOW) NWA 969 (LL6/7) Sahara 99228 (H?) NWA 1930 (LL3) Tatahouine (ADIO) NWA 1648 (ADIO) NWA 1054 (ACAP) Spade (H5) NWA 4460 (L3.9) the link to see the pictures and my asking price which is sure to whet some appetites. http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com/thinsections.html Go raibh maith agaibh Jim Brady I.M.C.A 2424 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Asteroid collision
Very cool! http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid-collision-hubble-photographs-101013.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Featured Meteorite Gallery - Seeking AWESOME meteorite photos for the magazine
More specifically, I'm looking for photos of Gebel Kamil, Buzzard Coulee, Almahatta Sitta, Grimsby, Ash Creek, Mifflin, Whetstone, Lorton, etc. Photos of slices or whole stones/irons are acceptable. Please include Featured Meteorite Gallery in the subject line of your email. Thanks! Eric On 10/13/2010 11:29 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: Featured Meteorite Gallery - Exquisite museum quality meteorite specimens. (See page 20-21 in July's premiere issue) http://www.mhcmagazine.com/current-issue/july-2010/ If you have an AWESOME photo of a spectacular meteorite. Send it in! Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thin Section Collection for sale
Hello Jim and List, NWA 1930 (LL3), Tatahouine (ADIO), NWA 1648 (ADIO), NWA 1054 (ACAP) Spade (H5) seem to come from Jeff Rowell who used to have such labels. As for: Cleo Springs (H4), NWA301 (H6), NWA 869 (L4-6), Sahara 99228 (H?) .. these *seem* to be of Dean Bessey provenance (handwriting!) DAG 078 (CO3), NWA 1929 (AHOW) *may* be from David New or from Anne Black. NWA 969 (LL6/7) = Hupés Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid collision
Wow that's rather old news. Almost immediately after discovery, amateurs commented on MPML about the strange appearance of this object (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/message/22836). and within hours it was speculated that the object was the result of asteroid impact. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/message/22842 That's one of the benefits of amateur observers who can observe what they want when they want. Note the date of the first Hubble image is two whole weeks after the amateurs already had the data. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 10/13/10, StLM stlouismeteori...@gmail.com wrote: From: StLM stlouismeteori...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid collision To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 12:29 PM Very cool! http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid-collision-hubble-photographs-101013.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid collision
Amateurs ROCK! Eric On 10/13/2010 12:42 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Wow that's rather old news. Almost immediately after discovery, amateurs commented on MPML about the strange appearance of this object (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/message/22836). and within hours it was speculated that the object was the result of asteroid impact. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mpml/message/22842 That's one of the benefits of amateur observers who can observe what they want when they want. Note the date of the first Hubble image is two whole weeks after the amateurs already had the data. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 10/13/10, StLMstlouismeteori...@gmail.com wrote: From: StLMstlouismeteori...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid collision To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 12:29 PM Very cool! http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/asteroid-collision-hubble-photographs-101013.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Thin Section Collection for sale --(ACAP) (ADIO) (CV3) (CO3) (LL6/7!!!)---only 4 of them known
Jim, Nice selection! That thin section case and six of the thin sections used to be in my collection! Amazing how meteorites move around the globe. Best, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Wed, 10/13/10, jim_brady...@o2.co.uk jim_brady...@o2.co.uk wrote: From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk jim_brady...@o2.co.uk Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) Thin Section Collection for sale --(ACAP) (ADIO) (CV3) (CO3) (LL6/7!!!)---only 4 of them known To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 1:48 PM Good evening listees from chilly Ireland I am selling my 14 thin sections as a lot.If you really like the look of this deal I would just go ahead and hit the Paypal button at the bottom.There is the potential for high interest in this lot and in the case that I can't get the page down or the paypal button off and multiple people buy it now ,the collection would go to the first person to pay.Paypal do have a refund facility that costs nothing for seller or buyer so if I have to use that so be it. Included in the sale will be a thin section case that holds 100 thin sections and one penny priority shipping.Paypal wouldn't let me integrate free shipping into their button so I had to charge a penny. the list Cleo Springs (H4) NWA301 (H6) Allende (CV3.2) NWA 869 (L4-6) DAG 078 (CO3) NWA 1929 (AHOW) NWA 969 (LL6/7) Sahara 99228 (H?) NWA 1930 (LL3) Tatahouine (ADIO) NWA 1648 (ADIO) NWA 1054 (ACAP) Spade (H5) NWA 4460 (L3.9) the link to see the pictures and my asking price which is sure to whet some appetites. http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com/thinsections.html Go raibh maith agaibh Jim Brady I.M.C.A 2424 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Special: A New, unusual and Unbrecciated Aubrite! NWA 6350 prov
Dear collectors and meteoricists, after a long time, we are back with one of our Specials, which became necessary, as this time we want to introduce a stone, where it's difficult to avoid the so worn-out term: Sensational. NWA 6350 provisional- A new aubrite. If you follow us, in checking the Meteoritical Bulletin database, you'll understand, why this find has such a special meaning for us. The database is still somewhat biased, as the numerous El Haggouina-pairings there aren't changed from AUB to EL yet. (And with them we personally follow Bunch, Wittke, Irving et al. that El Haggouina is an EL). So the first true aubrite in the list there, should be NWA 4799. You remember, it was introduced here on the list, the very uncommon highly brecciated one. To what extent NWA 4832/4871 are belonging to NWA 4799, that we don't know yet; David Weir lists 4871 as a pairing of NWA 4799 Find them here, also a wonderful resource of information, on the meteorite pages of NAU: http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Aubrite.html For NWA 5419 zero information is available, therefore not yet clear in which context it belongs. Well, and the second real aubrite was NWA 5217. NWA 6350 is paired to it. Therefore, from 2 decades of desert hunt in Sahara and 1 decade in Oman, we have so far most probably only two different aubrites at all. And aubrites are the most difficult discipline, it seems much more easier to find a lunaite or even a nakhlite. Hence, we choose in the title several attributes: Unbrecciated we wrote, to show, that it is not paired with NWA 4799. Fresh we could have added, not only because NWA 6350 is relatively well preserved, but to signal, that it isn't just another El Hagg. But why we said New? NWA 5217 was a small stone of 40grams. It is listed in the Bulletin to be at an Anonymous. Never we saw it offered - with NWA 6350 for the first time this exciting material will be available for the collector. Unusual: NWA 6350/5217 as well as NWA 4799 are important finds. They both are distinct from the other aubrites. Let us simply quote from that short abstract: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2008/pdf/5309.pdf The high temperature igneous cumulate characteristics of NWA 4799 and 5217 are unique among aubrites. Moreover, the complex mineralogy of NWA 5217 is remarkable and distinctive. Because these aubrites appear to be igneous cumulates and not derived from shock melts, they likely formed in a fairly large parent body rather than a small asteroid (such as main belt E asteroids and the NEO E asteroid 3103 Eger [2]). And now in medias res. NWA 6350 was unfortunately also of a very small tkw. 50grams the stone only had. The number of available specimens is so limited, that by far we wouldn't be able to satisfy the needs of even only our truest collectors and customers. Therefore we decided to set all pieces here on the list, for everyone allowing the chance to get one equally. We hope you don't mind, that we made an exception and had let David Weir to pick a specimen in advance, because his fantastic Meteorite Studies are such an enormous service to the meteorite world, that we think, that he deserves all support to keep his studies complete. And - science first - one of the partial endcuts is temporary on hold for an institute. Although, as a cumulate one, its relative freshness and its tiny tkw, we kept the prices with 60-100$/g still partially in the Pena Blanca Spring range. That Norton County can be had cheaper, is explained, also to the historics collector, well by this hilarious photo: http://kuerzer.de/Aubpaz Usually, whenever we announce a novelty of such a caliber, quite a rush of emails comes over us. It would be extremely helpful, if you would send us a ranking of the specimens you desire, to grant a fast and chronologically course. Now - long enough we kept you on the tenterhooks. Here they are: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special-nwa6350.html Let the games begin! Stefan Ralew Martin Altmann Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's Hubble Captures First Images Of Aftermath Of Possible Asteroid Collision
Oct. 13, 2010 J.D. Harrington Headquarters, Washington 202-358-5241 j.d.harring...@nasa.gov Donna Weaver Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore 410-338-4493 dwea...@stsci.edu David Jewitt University of California, Los Angeles 310-825-2521 jew...@ucla.edu RELEASE: 10-253 NASA'S HUBBLE CAPTURES FIRST IMAGES OF AFTERMATH OF POSSIBLE ASTEROID COLLISION WASHINGTON -- NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has captured the first snapshots of a suspected asteroid collision. The images show a bizarre X-shaped object at the head of a comet-like trail of material. In January, astronomers began using Hubble to track the object for five months. They thought they had witnessed a fresh asteroid collision, but were surprised to learn the collision occurred in early 2009. We expected the debris field to expand dramatically, like shrapnel flying from a hand grenade, said astronomer David Jewitt of the University of California in Los Angeles, who is a leader of the Hubble observations. But what happened was quite the opposite. We found that the object is expanding very, very slowly. The peculiar object, dubbed P/2010 A2, was found cruising around the asteroid belt, a reservoir of millions of rocky bodies between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. It is estimated modest-sized asteroids smash into each other about once a year. When the objects collide, they inject dust into interplanetary space. But until now, astronomers have relied on models to make predictions about the frequency of these collisions and the amount of dust produced. Catching colliding asteroids is difficult because large impacts are rare while small ones, such as the one that produced P/2010 A2, are exceedingly faint. The two asteroids that make up P/2010 A2 were unknown before the collision because they were too faint to be noticed. The collision itself was unobservable because of the asteroids' position in relation to the sun. About 10 or 11 months later, in January 2010, the Lincoln Near-Earth Research (LINEAR) Program Sky Survey spotted the comet-like tail produced by the collision. But only Hubble discerned the X pattern, offering unequivocal evidence that something stranger than a comet outgassing had occurred. Although the Hubble images give compelling evidence for an asteroid collision, Jewitt says he still does not have enough information to rule out other explanations for the peculiar object. In one such scenario, a small asteroid's rotation increases from solar radiation and loses mass, forming the comet-like tail. These observations are important because we need to know where the dust in the solar system comes from, and how much of it comes from colliding asteroids as opposed to 'outgassing' comets, Jewitt said. We also can apply this knowledge to the dusty debris disks around other stars, because these are thought to be produced by collisions between unseen bodies in the disks. Knowing how the dust was produced will yield clues about those invisible bodies. The Hubble images, taken from January to May 2010 with the telescope's Wide Field Camera 3, reveal a point-like object about 400 feet wide, with a long, flowing dust tail behind a never-before-seen X pattern. Particle sizes in the tail are estimated to vary from about 1/25th of an inch to an inch in diameter. The 400-foot-wide object in the Hubble image is the remnant of a slightly larger precursor body. Astronomers think a smaller rock, perhaps 10 to 15 feet wide, slammed into the larger one. The pair probably collided at high speed, about 11,000 mph, which smashed and vaporized the small asteroid and stripped material from the larger one. Jewitt estimates that the violent encounter happened in February or March 2009 and was as powerful as the detonation of a small atomic bomb. Sunlight radiation then swept the debris behind the remnant asteroid, forming a comet-like tail. The tail contains enough dust to make a ball 65 feet wide, most of it blown out of the bigger body by the impact-caused explosion. The science journal Nature will publish the findings in the Oct. 14 issue. Once again, Hubble has revealed unexpected phenomena occurring in our celestial 'back yard, said Eric Smith, Hubble Program scientist at NASA Headquarters in Washington. Though it's often Hubble's deep observations of the universe or beautiful images of glowing nebulae in our galaxy that make headlines, observations like this of objects in our own solar system remind us how much exploration we still have to do locally. Astronomers do not have a good explanation for the X shape. The crisscrossed filaments at the head of the tail suggest that the colliding asteroids were not perfectly symmetrical. Material ejected from the impact, therefore, did not make a symmetrical pattern, a bit like the ragged splash made by throwing a rock into a lake. Larger particles in the X disperse very slowly and give this structure its
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 13, 2010
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES October 13, 2010 o Alpine Glacier http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_019213_2210 o Recent Landslide in Zunil Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_001764_1880 o Gullies and Layers http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_002390_1320 o Landslides along the Walls of Bahram Vallis http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_003605_2015 o Spring Colors on the Southern Polar Cap http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_003734_0950 o Dust Devil Tracks and Scalloped Terrain South of the Hellas Region http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_004168_1220 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Great NWAs ending now on Ebay
Starting in about two hours time I have a few dozen meteorites ending - around a dozen started and still close to a penny. Included are several shergotites started way cheaper than most dealers want. In a couple weeks I will be shutting my auctions down for a month of travelling so pik up a few bargains now while I am still offering them Sincerely DEAN See my user id AMUNRE on ebay Or click here http://stores.ebay.com/DEANS-COLLECTIBLES-AND-GEMSTONES/_i.html?_nkw=meteoritesubmit=Search_sid=1598024 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold
I second thatget well soon Steve. Kirk - Original Message - From: metorma...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold I wish you a speedy recovery from your surgery.Get well soon. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold
Yes, IF you truely did have surgery for skin cancer and this is NOT one of your famous cons, then I to wish you a speedy and full recovery. Dave - Original Message - From: Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold I second thatget well soon Steve. Kirk - Original Message - From: metorma...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold I wish you a speedy recovery from your surgery.Get well soon. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Hi All, I was in two minds about sharing this with the list as I am usually with Darren on this sort of stuff...but I just had to tell this storyand I am a complete non believer in these sorts of things! When visiting my friend on his farm many years ago we were watching some builders doing work on the estate and to my surprise they were using wire divining rods to find the drains running from and around the property so that they knew where to dig to do repairs on them. We were both disbelievers in such things. Now my friend knew exactly where the drains ran under his lawn and tennis court and he had seen the men using them the day before and talked to them about itthey had shown him what to do and he had had a go but although they did cross over drains he could not come to terms with it as he knew where they were anyway, so thought that must influence them crossing in some way. He gave them to me and left me walking around the lawn and tennis court whilst he went and fed the cattle. I wandered around putting small pegs in the ground where I felt them crossI ended up with two lines across the lawn. When he returned he was very bemused as I was right on top of the two drainshe even showed me where they came out in the ditch on the edge. I had no idea where they would be. I still to this day cannot explain it apart from it just being chance or something else connected with the drains had influenced mebut we did look around to see what that might belike a dip in the ground or darker grass or similarbut we never figured anything out. I am still not convincedbut then again why did the builders/workmen use them if they do not work or helpthey would be digging lots of pointless holes and that would not be good for business??? One of those experiences that has always made me wonder. Graham UK On 13 October 2010 18:46, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:54:10 -0700, you wrote: I couldn't resist on this one. With all due respect,some of the members of the list need to visit www.randi.org Randi himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtuWymUzz4 The ideomotor effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Interesting story Graham. I'm also not convinced by these claims and have never seen a truly uncorrupted experiment of these claims. The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment run by none other than Randy himself. I may not remember all of the particulars exactly but I do remember that the experiment involved a number of dowsers, 5 covered or buried plastic pipes and several different types of fluids, all involving multiple runs. I know water and gasoline were two of the fluids and various runs had the fluids both static and flowing. Not unexpectedly, all of the results were random... All results with the exception of one. The dowsers were very obviously picking the correct pipe that contained flowing water. And I don't mean a slight increase in the statistics. It was strong positive result and an obvious anomaly in the data. Ever since then I've been intrigued by this result. Not convinced, but intrigued. Unfortunately at the end of the program, the not-so-amazing Randy manipulated his results to show no statistically significant positive in the results, even though they had shown just the opposite and the chart of the results behind him also showed that there was. It was at that moment that the not-so-amazing Randy lost all credibility as a debunker and all of his results must be just as suspect as those results he claims to be disproving. He proved to me he and his results are untrustworthy. I've certainly ignored him ever since then. I'm still waiting to see a real, double blind, uncorrupted experiment on this, several in fact, before I'm convinced that there is a real effect at work here. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Hi Richard, Yes I am of a similar mind...not convinced but intrigued. The unexplained in this world is always intriguing and I suppose its what inspires the inquisitive mind, scientist, artist or just plain weirdo to look for their own answer. Keep up the good work, Cheers, Graham On 14 October 2010 00:10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting story Graham. I'm also not convinced by these claims and have never seen a truly uncorrupted experiment of these claims. The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment run by none other than Randy himself. I may not remember all of the particulars exactly but I do remember that the experiment involved a number of dowsers, 5 covered or buried plastic pipes and several different types of fluids, all involving multiple runs. I know water and gasoline were two of the fluids and various runs had the fluids both static and flowing. Not unexpectedly, all of the results were random... All results with the exception of one. The dowsers were very obviously picking the correct pipe that contained flowing water. And I don't mean a slight increase in the statistics. It was strong positive result and an obvious anomaly in the data. Ever since then I've been intrigued by this result. Not convinced, but intrigued. Unfortunately at the end of the program, the not-so-amazing Randy manipulated his results to show no statistically significant positive in the results, even though they had shown just the opposite and the chart of the results behind him also showed that there was. It was at that moment that the not-so-amazing Randy lost all credibility as a debunker and all of his results must be just as suspect as those results he claims to be disproving. He proved to me he and his results are untrustworthy. I've certainly ignored him ever since then. I'm still waiting to see a real, double blind, uncorrupted experiment on this, several in fact, before I'm convinced that there is a real effect at work here. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment run by none other than Randy himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAasVXtCOI I'm still waiting to see a real, double blind, uncorrupted experiment on this, several in fact, before I'm convinced that there is a real effect at work here. It is actually caused by an infinite amount of magnetite in our wrists. http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg72163.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time. - Albert Einstein Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Good one! Sent from my iPod On Oct 13, 2010, at 17:38, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time. - Albert Einstein Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IMCA
If one has a complaint against s a member of the IMCA does the complaint mechanism actually work? Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:38:52 -0400, you wrote: I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time. - Albert Einstein Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the old one. I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice. -Albert Einstein (Just in case the jab wasn't obvious, Einstein was wrong.) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stunning TS images of The King of Angrites NWA6291
WOW! Greg, THAT IS AMAZING!! Tom, you may agree! wow... - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning TS images of The King of Angrites NWA6291 I sent a thin section of NWA 6291 to Tom Phillips to use, here is a teaser of whats to come... 1st run at a magnification of 160X in full Xpol with a 1 wave retardation filter http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/1149.jpg Hope everyone is doing good, more pics to follow. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Thanks Darren. Interesting video. As I said, the anomalous result that Randy got was for flowing water, not static. Of course that wasn't the point of my post but that he had apparently manipulated his data to support his conclusion, or his experiment was flawed yielding false positives. Either way, I can't and don't rely on him as a credible debunker. Dawkins is much more rigorous, reliable and believable, but again while this was a well done experiment, it is still an incomplete one. No matter, as I said the not-so-amazing Randy's experiment had a strange result, the cause of which I would like to understand. Either way that doesn't sway me to believe dowsing is real, only that Randy's results are not reliable. That's the last I'll say on both subjects. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 4:48 PM On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment run by none other than Randy himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAasVXtCOI I'm still waiting to see a real, double blind, uncorrupted experiment on this, several in fact, before I'm convinced that there is a real effect at work here. It is actually caused by an infinite amount of magnetite in our wrists. http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg72163.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Either that, or as Albert thought, the central tenet, the core belief in randomness that lays the foundation of quantum mechanics is wrong. When Al says that He doesn't throw dice, he's expressing a disbelief in the randomness of the universe. He's echoing the teleological beliefs of Aristotle and Plato, who thought there may be a purpose to the universe. Modern science is in the grip of Democritus and Epicurus who believed in a strictly materialist, reductionist view of the meaninglessness and random nature of the universe. Science can explain the what and the how, but is at a loss to explain the why. The new quantum theory of randomness did not explain the secrets of the orderly Newtonian world to Albert. If the universe is random, then why is it so orderly and predictable? I think Einstein is right in this case. I know he goofed on the cosmological constant kerfuffle, but really, who are we to judge one of the greatest scientific minds of our time? --- Phil Whitmer --- On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:38:52 -0400, you wrote: I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time. - Albert Einstein Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the old one. I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice. -Albert Einstein (Just in case the jab wasn't obvious, Einstein was wrong.) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
This is a lovely example of the logical fallacy called Appeal to Authority. Einstein is no more qualified to offer an expert opinion on this matter than your average Joe. His opinion should not impress anybody. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time. - Albert Einstein Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Phil, good one, as we embark upon the unkown in the philisophicList, allow me to share my simplistic view: as a human, I can't possibly explain what I'm not capable of explaining, (and will take the bold step here to include the brightest among us: thanks you guys and gals with the knowledge and credentials to keep probing, publishing, questioning and postulating, discovering and debating, concluding and questioning)... Isn't this why we explore and explain within scientific context? Until we become the inventer of the Universe, we remain students of discovery. Humble pie! - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Either that, or as Albert thought, the central tenet, the core belief in randomness that lays the foundation of quantum mechanics is wrong. When Al says that He doesn't throw dice, he's expressing a disbelief in the randomness of the universe. He's echoing the teleological beliefs of Aristotle and Plato, who thought there may be a purpose to the universe. Modern science is in the grip of Democritus and Epicurus who believed in a strictly materialist, reductionist view of the meaninglessness and random nature of the universe. Science can explain the what and the how, but is at a loss to explain the why. The new quantum theory of randomness did not explain the secrets of the orderly Newtonian world to Albert. If the universe is random, then why is it so orderly and predictable? I think Einstein is right in this case. I know he goofed on the cosmological constant kerfuffle, but really, who are we to judge one of the greatest scientific minds of our time? --- Phil Whitmer --- On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:38:52 -0400, you wrote: I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time. - Albert Einstein Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the old one. I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice. -Albert Einstein (Just in case the jab wasn't obvious, Einstein was wrong.) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stunning TS images The King of Angrites NWA6291 #2
Another from Tom Phillips... http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/A034.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stunning TS images of The King of Angrites NWA6291 To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 10:07 PM WOW! Greg, THAT IS AMAZING!! Tom, you may agree! wow... - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Stunning TS images of The King of Angrites NWA6291 I sent a thin section of NWA 6291 to Tom Phillips to use, here is a teaser of whats to come... 1st run at a magnification of 160X in full Xpol with a 1 wave retardation filter http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/1149.jpg Hope everyone is doing good, more pics to follow. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Chris, Let me get this straight, the author of Special Relativity is unqualified to offer an expert opinion on theoretical physics. I would be better off conferring with Joe Blow from Kokomo, the guy that picks through the trash in the alley. Joe claims to have invented string theory, but lost his mathematical abilities in a motorcycle accident. Let me see now, when it comes to matters of physics, I should appeal not the authority of the inventor of E=mc2, but to Crazy Joe. Now that's what I would call fallacious reasoning at its best! Phil Whitmer --- This is a lovely example of the logical fallacy called Appeal to Authority. Einstein is no more qualified to offer an expert opinion on this matter than your average Joe. His opinion should not impress anybody. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
He isn't offering an opinion on theoretical physics. He's talking about a phenomenon which there's no evidence he has studied, and he's talking about physiology, about which he was not an expert. Einstein is stating a philosophical viewpoint, not a scientific one. He wrote a good deal about philosophical matters- much of it rather amateurish. So I'll stick by my original assessment: in this matter, Einstein's opinion carries no special weight. This is an absolutely classic example of the fallacy of appeal to authority. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Chris, Let me get this straight, the author of Special Relativity is unqualified to offer an expert opinion on theoretical physics. I would be better off conferring with Joe Blow from Kokomo, the guy that picks through the trash in the alley. Joe claims to have invented string theory, but lost his mathematical abilities in a motorcycle accident. Let me see now, when it comes to matters of physics, I should appeal not the authority of the inventor of E=mc2, but to Crazy Joe. Now that's what I would call fallacious reasoning at its best! Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Hi Phil, I think Chris was referring to Einstein's knowledge of the physiological makeup of the human nervous system. Which Einstein would probably not in fact be qualified to answer on. I would think that a theoretical physicist would know a little about the physical system of the human body however. Einstein was a scientist, and must have studied something to that effect during his long education. So yes I would agree that Joe down the street might know more about physiology but that's highly unlikely. Einstein, early on, wrote The Investigation of the State of Aether in Magnetic Fields. And we all know and have probably read about the Special Theory of Relativity which I will not pretend to understand fully. Some might argue that Dowsing is possible because of electromagnetic fields somehow. Though I do not subscribe to the beliefs of dowsers, or dowsing in general, I would say that Einstein was much more knowledgeable about electromagnetic fields, gravitational fields, and physics of everything in the universe, than almost anyone. Who better to ask about dowsing? Dowsing is arguable and there is no hard scientific evidence it is real. However if Einstein were alive today this might be an interesting question to ask. In fact I would venture to say there is no better person to ask about the physics of it than a theoretical physicist. Except maybe a theoretical physicist with an open mind. Oh wait, that's doubly redundant. ;) Regards, Eric On 10/13/2010 8:57 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Chris, Let me get this straight, the author of Special Relativity is unqualified to offer an expert opinion on theoretical physics. I would be better off conferring with Joe Blow from Kokomo, the guy that picks through the trash in the alley. Joe claims to have invented string theory, but lost his mathematical abilities in a motorcycle accident. Let me see now, when it comes to matters of physics, I should appeal not the authority of the inventor of E=mc2, but to Crazy Joe. Now that's what I would call fallacious reasoning at its best! Phil Whitmer --- This is a lovely example of the logical fallacy called Appeal to Authority. Einstein is no more qualified to offer an expert opinion on this matter than your average Joe. His opinion should not impress anybody. Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Hi Eric, A big Duh!! on my part. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Chris, I concede your point, Albert was no expert on the human nervous system. And you're right, everyone is a philospher. And everyone says dumb stuff, e.g. look at all the silly things that Hawking says. When it comes to philosophy, give me the Classical Greeks any day. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
I don't think Einstein's understanding of magnetic, electrical, or electromagnetic fields was appreciably greater than that of many other physicists. Nor his knowledge of the physics of everything in the universe. Not that it matters, since he clearly isn't suggesting that divining rods work through ordinary field mechanisms, but through factors that are unknown to us at this time. In other words, he has no idea. He is simply speculating on how such a device might work (if, in fact, it actually does). Why is Einstein a credible voice for something whose nature he can't even speculate on? Today, we know with a high degree of likelihood that they don't work, because they have actually been tested scientifically. And we are in a good position to say that if they were found to work, it would not be because of fields we understand. After all, we have exquisitely sensitive instruments for measuring those fields, and they certainly are not useful for detecting underground water. Underground metal, of course, is readily detected with instruments (as many here know!) And almost any physicist would be highly skeptical about any assertion of fields we know nothing about, and which the human nervous system responds to! That definitely falls into the extraordinary claim category (i.e., the sort of claim that requires extraordinary evidence). I'd say Randi is a FAR better person to ask than Einstein, because unlike Einstein, Randi has actually looked at the matter closely, examined evidence, constructed and conducted well designed experiments. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Hi Phil, I think Chris was referring to Einstein's knowledge of the physiological makeup of the human nervous system. Which Einstein would probably not in fact be qualified to answer on. I would think that a theoretical physicist would know a little about the physical system of the human body however. Einstein was a scientist, and must have studied something to that effect during his long education. So yes I would agree that Joe down the street might know more about physiology but that's highly unlikely. Einstein, early on, wrote The Investigation of the State of Aether in Magnetic Fields. And we all know and have probably read about the Special Theory of Relativity which I will not pretend to understand fully. Some might argue that Dowsing is possible because of electromagnetic fields somehow. Though I do not subscribe to the beliefs of dowsers, or dowsing in general, I would say that Einstein was much more knowledgeable about electromagnetic fields, gravitational fields, and physics of everything in the universe, than almost anyone. Who better to ask about dowsing? Dowsing is arguable and there is no hard scientific evidence it is real. However if Einstein were alive today this might be an interesting question to ask. In fact I would venture to say there is no better person to ask about the physics of it than a theoretical physicist. Except maybe a theoretical physicist with an open mind. Oh wait, that's doubly redundant. ;) Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
