[meteorite-list] OT: HUDF center top left, #90 astrodeep200407aab10ada.png 3.68 MB 1244X1243 1 of 4 identical views with different color schemes 2008.12.12 #88-91 on rmforall at flickr.com: Rich Murra
OT: HUDF center top left, #90 astrodeep200407aab10ada.png 3.68 MB 1244X1243 1 of 4 identical views with different color schemes 2008.12.12 #88-91 on rmforall at flickr.com: Rich Murray 2011.01.09 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_01_01_archive.htm Sunday, January 9, 2011 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/80 [you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser] for viewing -- click on Actions to get different sizes and for free download http://www.flickr.com/photos/rmforall/3103426063/in/photostream/ #89 astrodeep200407aab10aea.png 4.14 MB 1244X1283 HUDF center top left This image is 6.3x6.3 arc-seconds, 3.965% of the area of the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, which is 186 arc-seconds wide and high = 3.1 arc-minutes = 1/10 width of the Full Moon or Sun, about 0.5 degrees, so the HUDF is about 1% of the area of the square that holds the Full Moon or Sun, short introduction re viewing lovely subtle earliest structures in HUDF: AstroDeep, Rich Murray 2009.02.23 I've found since 2005 myriad ubiquitous bright blue sources, always on a darker fractal 3D web, along with a variety of sizes of irregular early galaxies, in the Hubble Ultra Deep Field, simply by increasing the gamma from 1.00 to 2.00 and saturating the colors, while minimizing the green band to simplify the complex overlays of complex fractal structures. Dozens of these images, covering the entire HUDF in eight ~20 MB segments, are available for viewing at many scales [ To change the size of images on Windows PCs, use Control - and + ] on www.Flickr.com at the "rmforall" photostream. Try #86 for the central 16% of the HUDF. ubiquitous bright blue 1-12 pixel sources on darker 3D fractal web in five 2007.09.06 IR and visible light HUDF images, Nor Pirzkal, Sangeeta Malhotra, James E Rhoads, Chun Xu, -- might be clusters of earliest hypernovae in recent cosmological simulations: Rich Murray 2008.08.17 2009.01.20 rmforall.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.htm Sunday, August 17, 2008 groups.yahoo.com/group/AstroDeep/25 groups.yahoo.com/group/rmforall/85 www.flickr.com/photos/rmforall/1349101458/in/photostream/ The 5 closeups are about 2.2x2.2 arc-seconds wide and high, about 70x70 pixels. The HUDF is 315x315 arc-seconds, with N at top and E at left. Each side has 10,500x10,500 pixels at 0.03 arc-second per pixel. Click on All Sizes and select Original to view the highest resolution image of 3022x2496 pixels, which can be also be conveniently seen directly at their Zoomable image: www.spacetelescope.org/images/html/zoomable/heic0714a.html Notable in the deep background of the five closeups are ubiquitous bright blue sources, presumably extremely hot ultraviolet before redshifting, 1 to a dozen or so pixels, as single or short lines of spots, and a few irregular tiny blobs, probably, as predicted in many recent simulations, the earliest massive, short-lived hypernovae, GRBs with jets at various angles to our line of sight, expanding bubbles, earliest molecular and dust clouds with light echoes and bursts of star formation, and first small dwarf galaxies, always associated with a subtle darker 3D random fractal mesh of filaments of H and He atomic gases. As a scientific layman, I am grateful for specific cogent, civil feedback, based on the details readily visible in images in the public domain. www.spacetelescope.org/images/html/heic0714a.html Hubble and Spitzer Uncover Smallest Galaxy Building Blocks Rich Murray, MA Room For All rmfor...@gmail.com 505-819-7388 1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 groups.yahoo.com/group/rmforall/messages groups.yahoo.com/group/AstroDeep/messages www.sfcomplex.org Santa Fe Complex You are welcome to visit me and share your comments as I share these images at home on a 4X8 foot screen -- no fee. Anyone may view and download for free 91 images, presenting the HUDF in eight 20 MB pieces at rmforall at www.FlickR.com -- #86 is about 20% of the HUDF in their red and blue colors, as leaving out the green greatly simplifies interpreting the overlapping layers of transparent fractal webs of gas with a wide range of sizes of rather distant sources, beyond z = 5. _ astrodeep200407aab10ada.png 3.10 MB flickr.com rmforall #90 astrodeep200407aab10ada.png 3.68 MB 1244X1243 px HUDF center top left: Lillian J Kelly: Rich Murray 2008.12.30 The attachment is my image from my hard drive: astrodeep200407aab10ada.png www.flickr.com www.flickr.com/photos/rmforall/3103426063/ #90 astrodeep200407aab10ada.png 3.68 MB 1244X1243 px HUDF center top left Click on All Sizes to see and download the Original or find it directly at farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/3103426063_df229d2202_o.png In Windows Vista, use CTRL +/= over and over to magnify images, and CRTL _/- to reduce. You can also go to Control Panel to Ease of Access to Ease of Access Ce
Re: [meteorite-list] 2 Questions
You missed this notice Pete, http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg93362.html Regards, Eric On 1/8/2011 8:56 PM, pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com wrote: What ever happened to Meteorite Hunting& Collecting Magazine? Also what happened to the museum that was getting started about the time of the elections? Just wondering. Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2 Questions
What ever happened to Meteorite Hunting & Collecting Magazine? Also what happened to the museum that was getting started about the time of the elections? Just wondering. Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Father Joseph Stepling and the Tabor Meteorite Fall
Now you've covered Tabor, anything on the Assisi fall? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Attn Meteorite Hunters - Exercise caution in Niger
Hi List, Anyone thinking of searching for meteorites in Niger and Mali, please exercise caution. Two French citizens were kidnapped and killed in the capital of Niger. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40972916/ns/world_news-africa/ Best regards and safe hunting, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Gallery
That is me!! It was a great honor to meet Dr. Ehlmann, he is the nicest man you will ever meet!! He gave us the tour of a lifetime!! That collection is unbelievable and anyone ever close to Fort Worth should not miss it. Thanks again Dr. Ehlmann. -Original Message- From: Pete Pete Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:47 PM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: [meteorite-list] Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Gallery Hello, all, I stumbled onto this site worth viewing - Oscar E. Monnig's meteorite gallery: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4299332/Main/4298136 http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4299332/Main/4298136 Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Father Joseph Stepling and the Tabor Meteorite Fall
Hi Mark, Bombard away. Informative posts such as yours is what the list was created for, and I certainly enjoy them. Cheers, Frank From: Mark Grossman To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 5:47:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Father Joseph Stepling and the Tabor Meteorite Fall Hi, First, let me say how shocked and sorry I am about the terrible tragedy in Tucson. My sympathies go out to all. I was in the middle of preparing this post when I learned the news. If you would like to learn some interesting information about Father Joseph Stepling and the Tabor meteorite, check the latest post on my blog at the addresses listed below. Also, if you are interested in following the blog, please try and sign up in one way or another, for example using Google Alert or Twitter, etc. I hate to bombard the list with all of these announcements about each post, and hope that everyone will bear with me. Thanks again for the interest. Mark http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Father Joseph Stepling and the Tabor Meteorite Fall
Hi, First, let me say how shocked and sorry I am about the terrible tragedy in Tucson. My sympathies go out to all. I was in the middle of preparing this post when I learned the news. If you would like to learn some interesting information about Father Joseph Stepling and the Tabor meteorite, check the latest post on my blog at the addresses listed below. Also, if you are interested in following the blog, please try and sign up in one way or another, for example using Google Alert or Twitter, etc. I hate to bombard the list with all of these announcements about each post, and hope that everyone will bear with me. Thanks again for the interest. Mark http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
Hi List, Wow.. I was away and just heard the news on here ! My heart and sincerest condolences. to all the victims involved and family members! It is a sad day for all ! Dave Myers Cincinnati - Original Message From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" ; Rob Matson Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:38:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting Hi List, I am relieved that none of our meteorite friends in Tucson were caught up in this tragedy. My sincerest and heartfelt condolences to everyone who was touched by this act of hate and insanity. Best regards and stay positive, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/8/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: > Hello from a sad Tucson: > > At the moment, we know nothing more than those of you who have already > emailed. Nancy and I live only a few miles from the shooting site and we > seem to have been on our way to shop (not there) at the time of the > shooting. One of our neighbors just sent out an email saying that she was > in the grocery store at the time of the shooting, but, again, no > additional information. > > The store is a place we occasionally shop and a lot of our friends and > neighbors shop there. Of the meteorite people I know who live in the area > (Geoff Notkin and Twink Monrad), it is probably not a place that they > would normally go. > > I have met Gabby on a number of occasions and I know some of her staff > (one of her staff was killed in the shooting). A friend of the CPA at the > Planetary Science Institute (where I work part time) says that she knows > the shooter well and that he has a history of conduct issues at Pima > Community College where she works. Tucson is a big town yet small in many > ways. > > If I hear anything else, I will let the list know, but right now, everyone > seems to be getting about the same information. > > Larry Lebofsky > > > >> Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families during this time. >> KeAkuapu. >> >> Sent from Gary's iPhone >> >> On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Rob Matson wrote: >> >>> I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are >>> all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a >>> Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including >>> a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including >>> U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the >>> head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob >>> >>> http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= >>> BN1 >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
Hi List, I am relieved that none of our meteorite friends in Tucson were caught up in this tragedy. My sincerest and heartfelt condolences to everyone who was touched by this act of hate and insanity. Best regards and stay positive, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/8/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: > Hello from a sad Tucson: > > At the moment, we know nothing more than those of you who have already > emailed. Nancy and I live only a few miles from the shooting site and we > seem to have been on our way to shop (not there) at the time of the > shooting. One of our neighbors just sent out an email saying that she was > in the grocery store at the time of the shooting, but, again, no > additional information. > > The store is a place we occasionally shop and a lot of our friends and > neighbors shop there. Of the meteorite people I know who live in the area > (Geoff Notkin and Twink Monrad), it is probably not a place that they > would normally go. > > I have met Gabby on a number of occasions and I know some of her staff > (one of her staff was killed in the shooting). A friend of the CPA at the > Planetary Science Institute (where I work part time) says that she knows > the shooter well and that he has a history of conduct issues at Pima > Community College where she works. Tucson is a big town yet small in many > ways. > > If I hear anything else, I will let the list know, but right now, everyone > seems to be getting about the same information. > > Larry Lebofsky > > > >> Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families during this time. >> Ke Akua pu. >> >> Sent from Gary's iPhone >> >> On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Rob Matson wrote: >> >>> I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are >>> all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a >>> Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including >>> a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including >>> U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the >>> head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob >>> >>> http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= >>> BN1 >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone?
Hi Larry and List! I only live 1 hour. away from the Serpent mound crater and have deer hunted there for years, before I new anything about meteorites and shatter cones and even before I knew there was a crater there. The rocks there are (yellow-tan) and the shatter cones from that area are the same color! But your stone looks a lot like a shatter cone that I have seen! This spring I will go too Brush creek (edge of serpent mound), Adams county Ohio and try to find my own shatter cones. Looks like a great stone Larry!congrats! Dave - Original Message From: Bernd V. Pauli To: Larry Atkins ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 12:47:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? Hi Larry and List, Larry asked: "I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan while walking in the woods this past September." It sure does look like a genuine shattercone! Congrats! It might be a shattercone from the Sudbury impact but another possibility might be the Serpent Mound structure in Ohio from where shattercones and coesite have been reported! Maybe Paul H. (oxytropidoce...@cox.net) has more on that! Best wishes, Bernd To: thetop...@aol.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
Hello from a sad Tucson: At the moment, we know nothing more than those of you who have already emailed. Nancy and I live only a few miles from the shooting site and we seem to have been on our way to shop (not there) at the time of the shooting. One of our neighbors just sent out an email saying that she was in the grocery store at the time of the shooting, but, again, no additional information. The store is a place we occasionally shop and a lot of our friends and neighbors shop there. Of the meteorite people I know who live in the area (Geoff Notkin and Twink Monrad), it is probably not a place that they would normally go. I have met Gabby on a number of occasions and I know some of her staff (one of her staff was killed in the shooting). A friend of the CPA at the Planetary Science Institute (where I work part time) says that she knows the shooter well and that he has a history of conduct issues at Pima Community College where she works. Tucson is a big town yet small in many ways. If I hear anything else, I will let the list know, but right now, everyone seems to be getting about the same information. Larry Lebofsky > Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families during this time. > Ke Akua pu. > > Sent from Gary's iPhone > > On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Rob Matson wrote: > >> I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are >> all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a >> Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including >> a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including >> U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the >> head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob >> >> http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= >> BN1 >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
A terrible thing. My condolences and warmest heartfelt wishes go out to the families of all those involved, may they find strength, love, and support in this, their greatest time of need. Our thoughts and hearts go out to them all. Regards, Eric On 1/8/2011 2:41 PM, Rob Matson wrote: I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= BN1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families during this time. Ke Akua pu. Sent from Gary's iPhone On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Rob Matson wrote: > I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are > all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a > Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including > a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including > U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the > head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob > > http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= > BN1 > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
It's a very sad day in this country. Let this be a time to work together to solve our problems. I hope everyone is safe there in Tucson and the upcoming show goes as scheduled without incident. Also, let all our thoughts and prayers go to the families. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2011, at 2:41 PM, "Rob Matson" wrote: > I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are > all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a > Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including > a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including > U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the > head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob > > http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= > BN1 > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
I'm watching coverage right now and the local station (and CNN) is reporting 10 shot. 2 died, a kid and a judge. A doctor from the hospital said Representative Giffords is out of surgery and that he is very optimistic about her eventual recovery. 22 year old shooter is in custody. On 08 Jan 2011, at 15:41, Rob Matson wrote: > I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are > all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a > Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including > a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including > U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the > head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob > > http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= > BN1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Gallery
Hello, all, I stumbled onto this site worth viewing - Oscar E. Monnig's meteorite gallery: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4299332/Main/4298136 http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4299332/Main/4298136 Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref= BN1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone?
Hi Mark As mentioned before, glacier transport is probably the most probable answer. Roman -- From: "Mark" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:20 PM To: "Roman Jirasek" ; ; "Larry Atkins" Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? But doesn't that beg the question of transport? How did a Sudbury shattercone get to Lapeer County, MI? So fas as I know, all of the remote Sudbury ejecta remnants found to date have been largely fine-grained, strata-bound deposits. Does anyone know of any instance of a recognizable shattercone being found at a substantial distance (>200 km) from the actual impact site? Mark - Original Message - From: "Roman Jirasek" To: ; "Larry Atkins" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? The light grey colour reminds me of my shattercones from the Wanapitei crater near Sudbury. Nice find. Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com -- From: "Dan Wray" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 1:31 PM To: ; "Larry Atkins" Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? Hi Larry, This looks pretty good to me. While is is always hard to judge by photos it looks consistant with Sudburry. I have collected shatter cones in New Mexico at the Sante Fe site and have a number of others including Sudbury in my collection. Dan Wray COMETS - Original Message - From: "Larry Atkins" To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? Hello List, I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan while walking in the woods this past September. It looks like a shatter cone to me but I've really no experience with them. One peculiar characteristic of the rock is that it's not smooth. All the rocks here have been smoothed and rounded during their glacial transport. I wonder if it's from Sudbury and was relatively close to home so it didn't have to travel very far and didn't erode too bad? I did a few internet searches and didn't find any reference to impact debris being found in this area. Any shattercone/impact experts out there? Comments and thoughts appreciated. http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay username alienrockfarm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson show
Hi everybody, Few weeks and will meet our meteorite friends in person again,we are looking forward to seeing you all and watch again some movies of the meteorite men together.. We are in Ramada Ltd.Hotel from the 27th Jan To the 11th Feb,find us in Room 160 instead of 137 as we moved . greeting from Morocco Said Haddany __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone?
The light grey colour reminds me of my shattercones from the Wanapitei crater near Sudbury. Nice find. Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com -- From: "Dan Wray" Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 1:31 PM To: ; "Larry Atkins" Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? Hi Larry, This looks pretty good to me. While is is always hard to judge by photos it looks consistant with Sudburry. I have collected shatter cones in New Mexico at the Sante Fe site and have a number of others including Sudbury in my collection. Dan Wray COMETS - Original Message - From: "Larry Atkins" To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? Hello List, I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan while walking in the woods this past September. It looks like a shatter cone to me but I've really no experience with them. One peculiar characteristic of the rock is that it's not smooth. All the rocks here have been smoothed and rounded during their glacial transport. I wonder if it's from Sudbury and was relatively close to home so it didn't have to travel very far and didn't erode too bad? I did a few internet searches and didn't find any reference to impact debris being found in this area. Any shattercone/impact experts out there? Comments and thoughts appreciated. http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay username alienrockfarm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone?
It would help to have the exact coordinates and circumstances as a substantial area of the UP of Michigan is a giant mining network. Given this fact I cannot rule out a blasting artifact but can't rule out a shatercone either. A formation/deposit was recently identified in Michigan which was impactite from Sudbury. I have samples in study from another "misidentified" formation which I believe it from Sudbury. Elton - Original Message > From: Larry Atkins > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 12:18:29 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? > > > > > Hello List, > > I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan > while >walking in the woods this past September. It looks like a shatter cone to me >but I've really no experience with them. One peculiar characteristic of the >rock is that it's not smooth. All the rocks here have been smoothed and >rounded >during their glacial transport. I wonder if it's from Sudbury and was >relatively close to home so it didn't have to travel very far and didn't >erode >too bad? > I did a few internet searches and didn't find any reference to impact debris >being found in this area. > > Any shattercone/impact experts out there? > Comments and thoughts appreciated. > > http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > IMCA # 1941 > Ebay username alienrockfarm __ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson activities
Hi Brian, and welcome to the list I think you will have much more success searching through the rooms at the numerous venues in Tucson...Besides, there is just not enough time to see all the meteorites that will be on show (or hidden away in mysterious boxes) even if you stayed for the whole show! Graham, nr Barwell UK IMCA #1835 On 8 January 2011 19:09, Brian Moore wrote: > First post, hello listers. > > Are there any strewn fields one can search around Tucson? > I'm wondering if it is worthwhile to bring my metal detector. This will be > my first time to the show. > > -Brian Moore > Alberta Canada > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone?
Larry, I live near and have spent a lot of time collecting shatter cones from Kentland, In. That has all the earmarks of a weathered shatter cone to me. Do you have any sharper photos? Best, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sat, 1/8/11, Larry Atkins wrote: > From: Larry Atkins > Subject: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, January 8, 2011, 11:18 AM > > > > Hello List, > > I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer > County Michigan while walking in the woods this past > September. It looks like a shatter cone to me but I've > really no experience with them. One peculiar characteristic > of the rock is that it's not smooth. All the rocks here have > been smoothed and rounded during their glacial transport. I > wonder if it's from Sudbury and was relatively close to home > so it didn't have to travel very far and didn't erode too > bad? > I did a few internet searches and didn't find any reference > to impact debris being found in this area. > > Any shattercone/impact experts out there? > Comments and thoughts appreciated. > > http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > IMCA # 1941 > Ebay username alienrockfarm > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson activities
First post, hello listers. Are there any strewn fields one can search around Tucson? I'm wondering if it is worthwhile to bring my metal detector. This will be my first time to the show. -Brian Moore Alberta Canada __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] January Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up
Happy New Year Everyone! We just posted the January issue of Meteorite Times and have some nice enhancements for more viewing flexibility. -- Traditional Web View: Read issues using your web browser. Video and animated GIFs are supported. Magazine View: A flash version with turning pages like a real magazine. Does not support video or animated GIFs. Mobile View: Download the PDF to view on your Mobile Device. PDF Viewer Apps for Apple Products, Android, and Blackberry are listed below the archives. -- The new flash magazine viewer format is very cool and we spent a considerable amount of time looking at all of our options. We could not find anything better or even close to the one we decided on. This is the same one that Eric uses for his Meteorite Hunting and Collecting Magazine and I asked Eric for his advice and recommendations. Kudos to Eric for not only choosing the best option out there but for also welcoming Meteorite Times this platform as well. We have converted all of 2010 to the new formats and we will start converting more back issues as soon as time permits. We hope you enjoy the new viewing options. The "Monthly Issues" link is at the top of the page. http://www.meteorite-times.com/ Direct link here. http://www.meteorite-times.com/monthly-issues/ If you have not looked at Eric's Meteorite Hunting and Collecting Magazine please do. You can register below to view for free. http://www.mhcmagazine.com/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone?
Hi Larry, This looks pretty good to me. While is is always hard to judge by photos it looks consistant with Sudburry. I have collected shatter cones in New Mexico at the Sante Fe site and have a number of others including Sudbury in my collection. Dan Wray COMETS - Original Message - From: "Larry Atkins" To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? Hello List, I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan while walking in the woods this past September. It looks like a shatter cone to me but I've really no experience with them. One peculiar characteristic of the rock is that it's not smooth. All the rocks here have been smoothed and rounded during their glacial transport. I wonder if it's from Sudbury and was relatively close to home so it didn't have to travel very far and didn't erode too bad? I did a few internet searches and didn't find any reference to impact debris being found in this area. Any shattercone/impact experts out there? Comments and thoughts appreciated. http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay username alienrockfarm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone?
Thanks for the congrat's, Bernd. I was quite surprised when I looked down and saw it. The funny thing is that when you look for things you tend to find them. A friend was with me at the time and I told him to be on the lookout for anything out of the ordinary, artifacts, odd rocks, etc.. A minute or two later I had the eureka moment when I spotted this shattercone falling out of the hillside. My friend couldn't figure out what I was so excited about! Some people just don't get it. : ) I should probably have it verified in some way and perhaps it could be traced to its origin. I would love to know it's story. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to procedure for impact material reporting and such. Happy New Year! Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay username alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Bernd V. Pauli To: Larry Atkins ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Jan 8, 2011 9:47 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? Hi Larry and List, Larry asked: "I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan while walking in the woods this past September." It sure does look like a genuine shattercone! Congrats! It might be a shattercone from the Sudbury impact but another possibility might be the Serpent Mound structure in Ohio from where shattercones and coesite have been reported! Maybe Paul H. (oxytropidoce...@cox.net) has more on that! Best wishes, Bernd To: thetop...@aol.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - January 8, 2011
Really gorgeous. Bravo, John! And once again, with gratitude to Art and Michael who make it possible for us to experience such delights. All the best / Darryl > On 08/01/11 04:38, Michael Johnson wrote: >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_8_2011.html >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shattercone?
Hi Larry and List, Larry asked: "I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan while walking in the woods this past September." It sure does look like a genuine shattercone! Congrats! It might be a shattercone from the Sudbury impact but another possibility might be the Serpent Mound structure in Ohio from where shattercones and coesite have been reported! Maybe Paul H. (oxytropidoce...@cox.net) has more on that! Best wishes, Bernd To: thetop...@aol.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Shattercone?
Hello List, I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan while walking in the woods this past September. It looks like a shatter cone to me but I've really no experience with them. One peculiar characteristic of the rock is that it's not smooth. All the rocks here have been smoothed and rounded during their glacial transport. I wonder if it's from Sudbury and was relatively close to home so it didn't have to travel very far and didn't erode too bad? I did a few internet searches and didn't find any reference to impact debris being found in this area. Any shattercone/impact experts out there? Comments and thoughts appreciated. http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/ Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay username alienrockfarm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Organics on Mars
Hi Martin, Count, and List, Sales of all SNC meteorites are now suspended until further notice... ;) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/8/11, Martin Altmann wrote: > Hi Count, I bet both won't happen. > > After the somewhat overhasty and in the end a little bit almost embarrassing > announcements around ALH 84001 years ago. NASA wouldn't think twice, but a > hundred times, before declaring former life on Mars. > Such a claim would need a very strong evidence at least. > As it touches one of the largest question ever with remarkable impact not > only on science, but also on culture, philosophy, religion ect.pp > (Shhht younger folks: Star Wars, Star Trek, the Uncle from Mars etc, isn't > reality. Reality is so different from that genre. So much more exotic and > fascinating! > NOTHING stalwart we have yet in our hands, which could make us sure to a > certain degree, that indeed there is life elsewhere in cosmos. All so far > speculations, assumptions, probabilities). > > Organics aren't such - as McKay was quoted too. > To postulate life or a former life out of the presence of organics, would be > the same as to say, that comets would have been inhabited by life-forms, > because amino acids were found in some of the carbonaceous chondrites > or to conclude that Roscosmos had secretly developed the warp drive, because > large clouds of alcohol were detected in farer space between the stars. > >>Unfortunately, the loons > > No. Remember, that the 40-years jubilee of Apollo was a gigantic media event > around the globe, with an increased demand for lunar meteorites. > Nevertheless the prices remained constantly low and often close at the > historic all-time-low. > Or think about the Martians, which exploded in price during the last four > years only, and not, when the Martian Renaissance started long before with > all the orbiters and the first rovers, neither a jump happened, when the > final evidence was delivered by the rovers, that the shergottites definitely > are laying around on Mars' surface. > > Price explosions are caused - if we let isolated cases, like media-hyped new > US-falls, aside, where on the one hand specialized falls collectors are > eager not to miss them out and on the other hands particularly laymen, but > also curators pay here and there attention - quite always caused not by the > demand, but by the supply side. > > Simple example - Sikhote multiplied in prices within shortest time, after > the strewnfield was exhausted. > Gebel Kamil was now cheap (despite the media), will be later more expensive, > when the main load will be absorbed. > And the main factor unfortunately for price inflations are for years now the > artificial shortage of meteorites, caused by the introduction or the > persistence of improper legislation, preventing new finds. > Gibeon is only a small example, Campo will follow btw. Gibeon, > but the main problem is, and here we observe already partially dramatic > price increases, is that the most productive find areas of the World were > and are now closed by the will of a handful unschooled barbarians, > Oman, Australia, Sahara, down to such hysterical actions like happened in > South Africa, Namibia, China, Poland, Argentina, Denmark > This shortfall of new finds can't be compensated by Antarctica. > > The scientific landscape will be poorer - researchers, collectors and > curators by far won't have that choice anymore and will have to spend a > multiple for their - compared to former times: few - meteorites. > For some of them it will be the end of their occupation with meteorites. > > If not right away the real scientists find together to form a corrective for > these destructive ones among their fellow-scientists, > then we all can forget it. > Then all that, what the great majority among the professionals and amateurs > so laboriously and so incredibly successfully had built up over the recent > decades, will be lost. Irretrievably. > > Well, looking back, we should be content with ourselves, that we permanently > recommended to the collectors as well as sometimes to the curators too, to > built up also a collection with the rarer and rare types from the hot > deserts, as long as it is still affordable and as long as it is still > possible at all. > > Most of us, and neither many of the researchers, hadn't fully got it, what > we had. An epochal period in meteoritics. Never in history, there were so > many new finds made on the globe, like in the first deca
Re: [meteorite-list] Organics on Mars
Hi Count, I bet both won't happen. After the somewhat overhasty and in the end a little bit almost embarrassing announcements around ALH 84001 years ago. NASA wouldn't think twice, but a hundred times, before declaring former life on Mars. Such a claim would need a very strong evidence at least. As it touches one of the largest question ever with remarkable impact not only on science, but also on culture, philosophy, religion ect.pp (Shhht younger folks: Star Wars, Star Trek, the Uncle from Mars etc, isn't reality. Reality is so different from that genre. So much more exotic and fascinating! NOTHING stalwart we have yet in our hands, which could make us sure to a certain degree, that indeed there is life elsewhere in cosmos. All so far speculations, assumptions, probabilities). Organics aren't such - as McKay was quoted too. To postulate life or a former life out of the presence of organics, would be the same as to say, that comets would have been inhabited by life-forms, because amino acids were found in some of the carbonaceous chondrites or to conclude that Roscosmos had secretly developed the warp drive, because large clouds of alcohol were detected in farer space between the stars. >Unfortunately, the loons No. Remember, that the 40-years jubilee of Apollo was a gigantic media event around the globe, with an increased demand for lunar meteorites. Nevertheless the prices remained constantly low and often close at the historic all-time-low. Or think about the Martians, which exploded in price during the last four years only, and not, when the Martian Renaissance started long before with all the orbiters and the first rovers, neither a jump happened, when the final evidence was delivered by the rovers, that the shergottites definitely are laying around on Mars' surface. Price explosions are caused - if we let isolated cases, like media-hyped new US-falls, aside, where on the one hand specialized falls collectors are eager not to miss them out and on the other hands particularly laymen, but also curators pay here and there attention - quite always caused not by the demand, but by the supply side. Simple example - Sikhote multiplied in prices within shortest time, after the strewnfield was exhausted. Gebel Kamil was now cheap (despite the media), will be later more expensive, when the main load will be absorbed. And the main factor unfortunately for price inflations are for years now the artificial shortage of meteorites, caused by the introduction or the persistence of improper legislation, preventing new finds. Gibeon is only a small example, Campo will follow btw. Gibeon, but the main problem is, and here we observe already partially dramatic price increases, is that the most productive find areas of the World were and are now closed by the will of a handful unschooled barbarians, Oman, Australia, Sahara, down to such hysterical actions like happened in South Africa, Namibia, China, Poland, Argentina, Denmark This shortfall of new finds can't be compensated by Antarctica. The scientific landscape will be poorer - researchers, collectors and curators by far won't have that choice anymore and will have to spend a multiple for their - compared to former times: few - meteorites. For some of them it will be the end of their occupation with meteorites. If not right away the real scientists find together to form a corrective for these destructive ones among their fellow-scientists, then we all can forget it. Then all that, what the great majority among the professionals and amateurs so laboriously and so incredibly successfully had built up over the recent decades, will be lost. Irretrievably. Well, looking back, we should be content with ourselves, that we permanently recommended to the collectors as well as sometimes to the curators too, to built up also a collection with the rarer and rare types from the hot deserts, as long as it is still affordable and as long as it is still possible at all. Most of us, and neither many of the researchers, hadn't fully got it, what we had. An epochal period in meteoritics. Never in history, there were so many new finds made on the globe, like in the first decade of the 2000er years. And according to the will of a few, never again in future so many new finds shall be ever recovered. We all took notion of how a few countries forbade with their laws all private involvement and with that also the meteorites themselves, and we all rather found it amazing, how incredibly stupid people can be in these single countries. - Now we face that on a global scale. To come back, Count, to the Martians. Who knows? Possibly there are laying some Martian rocks here around, with remainders of cellular and fossilized life inside. Also ALH 84001 - check the launch pairing numbers - certainly isn't alone. And never in history of mankind the odds and chances, that such a meteorite will be recovered were larger, to answer one of the mightiest question men was asking. Alas, I f
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - January 8, 2011
That really is beautiful, thank you for sharing. Matt. On 08/01/11 04:38, Michael Johnson wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_8_2011.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - January 8, 2011
Tender, slender olivine bars in spite of being slightly crushed from a hit or a bump. Exquisite detail! A beauty of a chondrule! http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_8_2011.html Thanks Michael and John for sharing! Bern (in Germany) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
