[meteorite-list] The Sky Calls To Us
A Glorious Dawn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day, venture to the stars. If you wish to make an apple pie, you must first invent the universe. The brain has it's own language for testing the structure and consistency of the world. How lucky we are to live in this time, the first moment in human history when we are, in fact, visiting other worlds. A still more glorious dawn awaits, not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise, a morning filled with 400 billion suns. The rising of the Milky Way. The surface from the Earth, is the shore of the cosmic ocean. Recently we've waded a little way out and the water seems inviting. The sky calls to us. – Carl Sagan The Wonder of Meteorites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5oknQjqQuw Enjoy... Regards, Eric P.S. Thanks go out to Darren Garrison for the original post to list (a long while back) introducing list members to the "Symphony of Science" video with Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking titled "A Glorious Dawn" without which I may not have found these wonderful series of videos. And special thanks to Jeff Kuyken for creating "The Wonder of Meteorites" video. A beautiful compilation, and the best meteorite video I've ever had the pleasure of watching If you liked the Symphony of Science videos you can check it out on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/melodysheep Latest Video: Bang Goes the Theory The more questions you answer, the more you find there is to investigate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VblqcRvN7-Y That's the beauty of Science. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) New Items and Update
Hello, Everyone; I want to thank those that have helped Adrian during his recovery, and I also want to remind everyone that we still have some donation items which 100% of the sales will go to his recovery fund. Here is the link to the items: http://kdmeteorites.com/TheAdrianAlatorreMedicalFundBenefitItemsForSale.html. Any and all help is greatly appreciated. We had added a ton of great new items - a lot of them are rare and hard to find specimens such as Winona, D'Orbigny, Cape York, Stannern, Billygoat Donga, Abee, Buck Mountains 002 - way to many to list here! Great collection specimens! Go to our "What's New" link and scroll down to see them all. http://kdmeteorites.com/WhatsNewAtKDMeteorites.html We've also added some really cute, nice slices of Gold Basin Meteorites- you don't see those very often; some new Fukang slices from 10-50 grams in size; a killer Imilac slice; and of course more of that awesome Brenham Pallasite that we had at the Tucson show! We've added a lot of stuff pretty much everywhere, so enjoy cruising around our site. I am also working on improving our website, so please bear with me while I am making changes! Thanks again for your help in our time of need; and for looking at our site. Dana -- KD Meteorites kdmeteorites.com admiremeteorites.com Keith and Dana Jenkerson 4596 N. Vickie Lane Kingman, AZ., 86409 928-399-0140 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Have the Meteoritical Society caught up on mailingMAPS?
"I got both today. Chris" I got mine several days ago already! Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 18, 2011
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_18_2011.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA'S MESSENGER Spacecraft Begins Historic Orbit Around Mercury
March 17, 2011 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Paulette Campbell Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md. 240-228-6792 paulette.campb...@jhuapl.edu RELEASE: 11-079 NASA'S MESSENGER SPACECRAFT BEGINS HISTORIC ORBIT AROUND MERCURY WASHINGTON -- NASA's MESSENGER spacecraft successfully achieved orbit around Mercury at approximately 9 p.m. EDT Thursday. This marks the first time a spacecraft has accomplished this engineering and scientific milestone at our solar system's innermost planet. "This mission will continue to revolutionize our understanding of Mercury during the coming year," said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, who was at MESSENGER mission control at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md., as engineers received telemetry data confirming orbit insertion. "NASA science is rewriting text books. MESSENGER is a great example of how our scientists are innovating to push the envelope of human knowledge." At 9:10 p.m. EDT, engineers Operations Center, received the anticipated radiometric signals confirming nominal burn shutdown and successful insertion of the MESSENGER probe into orbit around the planet Mercury. NASA's MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, Geochemistry, and Ranging, or MESSENGER, rotated back to the Earth by 9:45 p.m. EDT, and started transmitting data. Upon review of the data, the engineering and operations teams confirmed the burn executed nominally with all subsystems reporting a clean burn and no logged errors. MESSENGER's main thruster fired for approximately 15 minutes at 8:45 p.m., slowing the spacecraft by 1,929 miles per hour and easing it into the planned orbit about Mercury. The rendezvous took place about 96 million miles from Earth. "Achieving Mercury orbit was by far the biggest milestone since MESSENGER was launched more than six and a half years ago," said Peter Bedini, MESSENGER project manager of the Applied Physics Laboratory (APL). "This accomplishment is the fruit of a tremendous amount of labor on the part of the navigation, guidance-and-control, and mission operations teams, who shepherded the spacecraft through its 4.9-billion-mile journey." For the next several weeks, APL engineers will be focused on ensuring the spacecraft's systems are all working well in Mercury's harsh thermal environment. Starting on March 23, the instruments will be turned on and checked out, and on April 4 the mission's primary science phase will begin. "Despite its proximity to Earth, the planet Mercury has for decades been comparatively unexplored," said Sean Solomon, MESSENGER principal investigator of the Carnegie Institution of Washington. "For the first time in history, a scientific observatory is in orbit about our solar system's innermost planet. Mercury's secrets, and the implications they hold for the formation and evolution of Earth-like planets, are about to be revealed." APL designed and built the spacecraft. The lab manages and operates the mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. For more information about the mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/messenger -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: March 14-18, 2011
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES March 14-18, 2011 o South Polar Surface (14 March 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5597 o Russell Crater Dunes (15 March 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5598 o Tectonic Collapse (16 March 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5599 o Tectonic Graben (17 March 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5600 o Olympus Mons Flows (18 March 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5601 All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pricey Planetary Probes Could Fall Under Budget Ax
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1103/17flagship/ Pricey planetary probes could fall under budget ax BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW March 17, 2011 MARFA, Texas -- Grand robotic missions to Mars, Jupiter and beyond are the embodiment of planetary scientists' most audacious dreams, but it's up to researchers to make their case in Washington, where a bogged-down budget process threatens to kill any future NASA flagship solar system exploration probe. That was the message from Steve Squyres, a respected researcher from Cornell University, earlier this month at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston. President Obama's fiscal year 2012 budget request released last month shows a gradual but marked decline in planetary science funding over the next five years, but the spending plan is only "notional" and does not represent policy, according to the White House Office of Management and Budget, or OMB. Despite promises to re-evaluate the budget again next year, the waning spending on planetary exploration captured scientists' attention. "This budget is a projection by OMB of what the future planetary exploration budget might look like," Squyres said. "Tf that budget were actually implemented, it would be mean the end of flagship class science at NASA in the planetary program." The startling news is buried beneath more prominent debates on the future course of NASA's human spaceflight programs and the appropriate balance between commercial and government transportation. Squyres was presenting the planetary science decadal survey, a once-every-10-years National Research Council study that ranks robotic probes based mostly on scientific value, but also on programmatic balance, technical and engineering readiness and the availability of appropriate trajectories through the solar system. "What I'm hoping is the planetary science community in the United States can use this decadal report as a rallying point to argue via the legislative process for a strong enough budget to actually carry out the program that we've recommended," Squyres told Spaceflight Now. The decadal survey's top recommendation was to continue with NASA's small and medium-class planetary missions under the Discovery and New Frontiers programs. Those probes are cost-capped at $500 million and $1 billion, respectively. If there is money left over in NASA's budget, the agency should first consider a Mars rover to collect and stow rock samples for an eventual mission to return them to Earth. If NASA can't make that project affordable, they should turn to developing an orbiter to probe Jupiter's icy moon Europa, according to the decadal survey report. The Obama administration's funding proposal calls for nearly $1.5 billion for NASA's planetary science division in fiscal year 2012, but that spending would drop to less than $1.2 billion by fiscal year 2016. The budget document indicates the White House would make actual funding decisions on a year-by-year basis in consultation with Congress. Ed Weiler, the chief of NASA's science directorate, made it clear in February NASA could not afford all the of the planetary missions on its plate. "We do not have enough money in the planetary program, by any stretch of the imagination, to fund a full-up Europa mission, a full-up Mars program, a full-up New Frontiers program, a full-up Discovery program and a full lunar program," Weiler told reporters in February. Speaking to the NASA Advisory Council's planetary sciences subcommittee March 3, Weiler repeated his gloomy assessment, saying the budget did not provide adequate funding for all seven programs currently under the planetary division's purview. Weiler told the subcommittee the White House's fiscal year 2012 budget request would probably not support more than four healthy programs. The NASA planetary sciences budget now includes the Discovery and New Frontiers programs, Mars exploration, the Lunar Quest program and line items for the Cassini missoin at Saturn, technology development and basic research. The decadal survey was direct in its support for the Discovery and New Frontiers programs, and it suggested modest investments in technology and research projects. It also endorsed the planned launch of a joint NASA-European Space Agency orbiter to Mars in January 2016. "We must preserve Discovery," Squyres said. "We must preserve New Frontiers. The first thing to go after is the flagships. That is what our community told us emphatically." The Mars Astrobiology Explorer-Cacher was at the top of the survey's recommendations for a flagship mission in the next decade. Scheduled to launch in 2018, the mission would collect rocks from the Martian surface and store them for retrieval by a subsequent, still undefined, mission. The MAX-C mission is currently projected to cost NASA $3.5 billion. Squyres and his committee urged NASA to drastically "descope" the mission, remove some science gear and make the rover more simple. "De
[meteorite-list] 43rd Lunar and Planetary Science Conference
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2012/ 43rd Lunar and Planetary Science Conference March 19-23, 2012 The Woodlands Waterway Marriott Hotel and Convention Center 1601 Lake Robbins Drive The Woodlands, Texas 77380 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - New Diogenite, Brachinite, CV3, "Rumuruti Imposter", Baltic Amber (Insect Inclusions), and more!
Hi MikeG. I took a look at your AD items and noticed something I can keep you and collectors with. In your "NWA 3144" description on your web page you wrote "...[NWA 3144} Total Know Weigh is unknown..." Actually, the TKW IS known. I purchased it in 2004 in Morocco and it was a single complete 1053g stone. Here is the submitted classification: Northwest Africa 3144 Morocco Purchased August 2004 CV3 chondrite A subspherical 1053 g stone with complete black fusion crust was purchased in Rissani from a Moroccan dealer by G. Hupé (Hupé) in 2004 August. Classification and mineralogy (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS): Unusually fresh sample (W1) with large chondrules and white to pale pink inclusions in a very fine grained olivine-pyroxene-rich matrix. The several large CAI appear to be “Fluffy” Type A with cores composed of Mg-Al spinel (with variable Fe contents), grossular garnet, perovskite, fassaitic clinopyroxene, anorthite, sodalite (some Ca-bearing), and minor anorthoclase, ilmenite and Ni-Zn metal. Wark-Lovering rims on CAI consist of gehlenite, anorthite, spinel, olivine (~Fa60), andradite garnet, hedenbergite, diopside, kirchsteinite(?) and Fe-Ni metal (60%Ni, with measurable Pt and Rh). Barred olivine-rich chondrules and olivine-rich aggregates consist mainly of forsterite with minor enstatite, Fe-Ni metal (50% Ni, some partly altered to limonite), Cr-bearing magnetite (commonly associated with metal), troilite, pentlandite and metallic Cu (containing Mo and Sn). One barred olivine chondrule is surrounded by an olivine aggregate rim with embedded chondrule fragments, suggesting that some olivine aggregates may form by partial melting of barred olivine chondrules. Specimens: type specimen, 20.0 g, AMNH; main mass, G. Hupé. << I am not sure where you got your piece, but if purchased from me on eBay a few years ago, my description had the weight in it. I hope this helps! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:34 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - New Diogenite, Brachinite, CV3, "Rumuruti Imposter", Baltic Amber (Insect Inclusions), and more! Hi Friends and Collectors! I just received a big new batch of meteorites, and have them listed in the store now. Don't forget to use coupon code "metlist" for 20% off your entire order! Some of these are meteorites that I had many months ago and they sold out quickly, and some are brand new. Without further ado, here are the new specimens - NEW NWA Diogenite : NWA 6290 diogenite 2.69g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--269g-endcut NWA 6290 2.86g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--286g-endcut NWA 6290 1.08g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--108g-slice NWA 6290 672mg fragment - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--672mg-frag NEW NWA Brachinite (paired with NWA 5400 "Earth-related meteorite") : NWA 6077 brachinite 1.67g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-unknown-parent-body-167g-endcut NWA 6077 734mg slice with rare metal inclusion - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-with-metal-fleck-inclusion-734mg-slice NWA 6077 390mg slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-unknown-parent-body-390mg-micro-slice Carbonaceous CV3 : NWA 3144 742mg endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-3144--carbonaceous-cv3-meteorite-chondrules-and-cais-742mg NWA 3144 micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-3144--carbonaceous-cv3-meteorite-chondrules-and-cais-micros Strange New NWA Eucrite (green!) : NWA 6288 green eucrite 1.18g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6288--strange-new-vestan-green-eucrite-w-diogenite-clasts-118g NWA 6288 454mg slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6288--strange-new-vestan-green-eucrite-w-diogenite-clasts-454mg Beautiful LL4 Breccia : NWA 6080 LL4 2.29g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080--beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-polished-slice-229g NWA 6080 crusted endcut 4.22g - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6080--beautiful-ll4-chondrite-with-clasts-crusted-endcut-422g Beautiful "Rumuruti lookalike" breccia : NWA 6289 LL4 "Rumuruti lookalike" 4.31g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6289--gorgeous-ll4-breccia-rumuruti-look-a-like-431g-slice NWA 6289 4.92g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6289--gorgeous-ll4-breccia-rumuruti-look-a-like-492g-slice NWA 6289 6.79g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pro
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - New Diogenite, Brachinite, CV3, "Rumuruti Imposter", Baltic Amber (Insect Inclusions), and more!
Hi Greg, Thanks for the heads-up on that. I will correct my description. Do you know why this gorgeous meteorite is still languishing in provisional status? Or is it one of those meteorites that fell between the cracks and never received final approval by Noncom? I've seen larger pieces of this meteorite and it's quite beautiful when prepared properly. A few of the pieces bear a minor resemblance to NWA 2086, even though they are obviously different. Greg, do you have any nice eye-candy photos of this meteorite you can share? I'm sure everyone would love to see some photos of bigger pieces. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/18/11, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hi MikeG. > > I took a look at your AD items and noticed something I can keep you and > collectors with. In your "NWA 3144" description on your web page you wrote > "...[NWA 3144} Total Know Weigh is unknown..." Actually, the TKW IS known. I > purchased it in 2004 in Morocco and it was a single complete 1053g stone. > Here is the submitted classification: > >>> > Northwest Africa 3144 > Morocco > Purchased August 2004 > CV3 chondrite > A subspherical 1053 g stone with complete black fusion crust was purchased > in Rissani from a Moroccan dealer by G. Hupé (Hupé) in 2004 August. > Classification and mineralogy (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS): Unusually > fresh sample (W1) with large chondrules and white to pale pink inclusions in > a very fine grained olivine-pyroxene-rich matrix. The several large CAI > appear to be “Fluffy” Type A with cores composed of Mg-Al spinel (with > variable Fe contents), grossular garnet, perovskite, fassaitic > clinopyroxene, anorthite, sodalite (some Ca-bearing), and minor > anorthoclase, ilmenite and Ni-Zn metal. Wark-Lovering rims on CAI consist > of gehlenite, anorthite, spinel, olivine (~Fa60), andradite garnet, > hedenbergite, diopside, kirchsteinite(?) and Fe-Ni metal (60%Ni, with > measurable Pt and Rh). Barred olivine-rich chondrules and olivine-rich > aggregates consist mainly of forsterite with minor enstatite, Fe-Ni metal > (50% Ni, some partly altered to limonite), Cr-bearing magnetite (commonly > associated with metal), troilite, pentlandite and metallic Cu (containing Mo > and Sn). One barred olivine chondrule is surrounded by an olivine aggregate > rim with embedded chondrule fragments, suggesting that some olivine > aggregates may form by partial melting of barred olivine chondrules. > Specimens: type specimen, 20.0 g, AMNH; main mass, G. Hupé. > << > > I am not sure where you got your piece, but if purchased from me on eBay a > few years ago, my description had the weight in it. I hope this helps! > > Best Regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > gmh...@centurylink.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > > > -Original Message- > From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:34 AM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - New Diogenite, Brachinite, CV3, "Rumuruti > Imposter", Baltic Amber (Insect Inclusions), and more! > > Hi Friends and Collectors! > > I just received a big new batch of meteorites, and have them listed in > the store now. Don't forget to use coupon code "metlist" for 20% off > your entire order! > > Some of these are meteorites that I had many months ago and they sold > out quickly, and some are brand new. Without further ado, here are > the new specimens - > > > NEW NWA Diogenite : > > NWA 6290 diogenite 2.69g endcut - > http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--269g-endcut > > NWA 6290 2.86g endcut - > http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--286g-endcut > > NWA 6290 1.08g slice - > http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--108g-slice > > NWA 6290 672mg fragment - > http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--672mg-frag > > > NEW NWA Brachinite (paired with NWA 5400 "Earth-related meteorite") : > > NWA 6077 brachinite 1.67g endcut - > http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-unknown-parent-body-167g-endcut > > NWA 6077 734mg slice with rare metal inclusion - > http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-with-metal-fleck-inclusion-734mg-slice > > NWA 6077 390mg slice - > http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-unknown-parent-body-390mg-micro-slice
[meteorite-list] Next Mars Rover Gets a Test Taste of Mars Conditions
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-086 Next Mars Rover Gets a Test Taste of Mars Conditions Jet Propulsion Laboratory March 18, 2011 A space-simulation chamber at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., is temporary home this month for the Curiosity rover, which will land on Mars next year. Tests inside the 25-foot-diameter chamber (7.6-meters) are putting the rover through various sequences in environmental conditions resembling Martian surface conditions. After the chamber's large door was sealed last week, air was pumped out to near-vacuum pressure, liquid nitrogen in the walls dropped the temperature to minus 130 degrees Celsius (minus 202 degrees Fahrenheit), and a bank of powerful lamps simulated the intensity of sunshine on Mars. Images of Curiosity in the chamber just before the door was sealed are at: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA13805 and http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA13806. Other portions of NASA's Mars Science Laboratory spacecraft, including the cruise stage, descent stage and backshell, remain in JPL's Spacecraft Assembly Facility, where Curiosity was assembled and where the rover will return after the simulation-chamber tests. In coming months, those flight system components and the rover will be shipped to NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida for final preparations before the launch period of Nov. 25 to Dec. 18, 2011. The mission will use Curiosity to study one of the most intriguing places on Mars -- still to be selected from among four finalist landing-site candidates. It will study whether a selected area of Mars has offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life and for preserving evidence about whether Martian life has existed. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Science Laboratory mission for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington. For more information about the mission, visit http://www.nasa.gov/msl. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2011-086 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Times March Issue Now Up
Hello Everyone, The March issue of Meteorite Times is now up. We've added a few new features since last month. - A new Social Media Share Bar to make it easier for you to Tweet, Like, and Share Meteorite Times. - New Glossary Tool to help new readers. Certain terms are highlighted and the definition shows when the cursor hovers the term. - New Top Menu choice "Meteorites & Topics" allows you to select articles by Tags (keywords) http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorites/ The following URL gives access to the Web Browser View, Flash Magazine View, and Mobile PDF. http://www.meteorite-times.com/monthly-issues/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Micros to Martians, something for everyone
Good evening all, I've updated my existing for sale page, and listed a number of new specimens. Highlights include some beautiful etched irons from Mirko (Mont Dieu, Zacatecas 1979, very rare Verkhnyi Saltov); some beautiful planetaries including individual crusted shergotties; and a number of small micros priced at $5 - $15 - perfect for expanding your collection at a cost. Click on the 'MC' reference for photos. http://velikimacak.com/meteorites/meteorites-for-sale/ I'm trying to raise funds to purchase historic falls, so I'm happy to discuss trading some of these specimens. Best wishes Mark __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's All-Sky Fireball Network
Hi Jim et al: Your day may come. Contact NASA or Bill Cooke (mentioned in the article) and see what you can do. He's keeping a list of names of people/science centers/schools who want a camera. He deals mostly with the SE, but he can probably point you in the right direction for the SW. They did an awesome seminar last night, and even showed some of the previous camera views: a spider crawling across the camera lens, and a bird landing on the lens and taking a poop! Fun stuff! Anita From: Jim Wooddell To: Anita Westlake ; damoc...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 9:52:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA's All-Sky Fireball Network Anita! That is super news! Sure wished I'd hear something about this in the Southwest! I am one the makes an attempt to decipher the AMS witness statements. It is indeed a nightmare that doesn't work. The cameras will put an end to this at least for night falls. Cheers! Jim Wooddell On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Anita Westlake wrote: > Hey List: > We're having one of the cameras installed Thursday at the Tellus Science > Museum in Cartersville, GA (where I now work). Someone from NASA is coming to > show us the ropes. Can't wait to start catching falling stars. > Anita > > > From: Richard Kowalski > To: meteorite list > Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 4:57:32 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA's All-Sky Fireball Network > > Thought this might be of interest to the list. > > http://tinyurl.com/4ez6w3v > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite research grants
Some on this list may find this useful. Laurence CMS ASU > Graduate students and postdocs, > > The application deadline for grants from the Barringer Family Fund for > Meteorite Impact Research is April 8, 2011. This program provides 3 to 5 > competitive grants each year in the range of $2,500 to $5,000 USD for support > of field research at known or suspected impact sites worldwide. Grant funds > may be used to assist with travel and subsistence costs, as well as > laboratory and computer analysis of research samples and findings. Masters, > doctoral, and post-doctoral students enrolled in formal university programs > are eligible. Over the past 9 years, 30 research projects have been > supported. For additional details and an application, please go to > http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kring/Awards/Barringer_Fund/index.html. > > For a flyer to post at your institution, please go to > http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kring/Awards/Barringer_Fund/Barringerflyer.pdf > > The Barringer Family Fund for Meteorite Impact Research has been established > as a memorial to recognize the contributions of Brandon, Moreau, Paul, and > Richard Barringer to the field of meteoritics and the Barringer family's > strong interest and support over many years in research and student > education. In addition to its memorial nature, the Fund also reflects the > family's long-standing commitment to responsible stewardship of The Barringer > Meteorite Crater and the family's steadfast resolve in maintaining the crater > as a unique scientific research and education site. > > Thank you, > > David A. Kring, Ph.D. > Center for Lunar Science and Exploration: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/nlsi/ > USRA - Lunar and Planetary Institute > 3600 Bay Area Blvd. > Houston, TX 77058-1113 > 281-486-2119 > Research publications: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/science/kring/research.shtml > Email: kr...@lpi.usra.edu > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal limbo. The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. 2 in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an appointment. The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the world's largest collection of meteorites. But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across the region. The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It isn't nice." Legal wrangling ensued. We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early February, and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors Without Borders last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection manager at the Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though no date has been set. "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it go." The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Well don't that suck!! (I guess) Now we will never have a piece of it. :-( -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: = The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal limbo. The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. 2 in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an appointment. The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the world's largest collection of meteorites. But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across the region. The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It isn't nice." Legal wrangling ensued. We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early February, and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors Without Borders last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection manager at the Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though no date has been set. "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it go." The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
Hi Ryan, Surely you missed the big eBay announcement about "galaxy meteorites"! A quick search on eBay will reveal meteorites from a variety of planets and star systems. Of course, avoid any meteorites from Algol, because all planets in that system have a law prohibiting the export of meteorites to Earth. And the Algol authorities don't screw around. If they catch you removing meteorites, they will confiscate the specimens, impound your vessel, and deport you to the nearest neutral star system. If it's not your first offense, they have been known to hand down sentences of 50 lashes with the neural whip. As for planetary meteorites, I prefer Martians because their government is no longer extant and their laws no longer apply to collectors. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/18/11, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: > To the list, > > I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... > > Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to > meteorites. > > First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the > only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. > Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from > Venus and Mercury? > > Regards, > > Ryan > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
So basically, IF this Washington Post article is accurate in it's reporting, the landowners dropped the case after getting portrayed as the bad guys in the media by the Doctors who had a free lawyer, no legal fees, and they played the media game. I have to say the Doctors played the game well, it got turned into a PR war, and they won. So this case NEVER went anywhere legally? The actual issue of legal ownership is still not resolved. Regards, Eric On 3/18/2011 11:22 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal limbo. The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. 2 in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an appointment. The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the world's largest collection of meteorites. But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across the region. The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It isn't nice." Legal wrangling ensued. We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early February, and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors Without Borders last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection manager at the Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though no date has been set. "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it go." The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
Hello Ryan Planetary doesn't refer so much to exact origin but to the environment of formation. This is a convention we use to cover meteorites which are derived from very large parent bodies which extend beyond the limited asteroid compositions which may also show differentiation-- but to a lesser variety of mineral compositions and rock types. Be it remembered that our moon is larger than Mercury. We speak of planetary processes and planetary science. Others may have details on where it was first used in relation to meteorites. Be it also remembered that the IAU members still have difficulty coming to grips with a precise definition of planet. It is just a convention please don't read into it too much that it is restricted to just the named planets. Just me talking but I think the planetary line are those bodies whose mass is sufficient to form near spherical bodies --be it within the solar system or elsewhere in the galaxy. I am aware that most of the minor planets do not conform to this rule of thumb. Those larger bodies also exhibit a more sophisticated geological history than say we would find on Vesta. Elton - Original Message > From: "fallingfus...@wi.rr.com" > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:44:04 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" > > To the list, > > I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... > > Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to >meteorites. > > First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the >only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. >Hence, >"Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus >and >Mercury? > > Regards, > > Ryan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
To whom it may concern: With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today: Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No. My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Thanks for the update, Phil. Nice to know it's "in a little plastic box deep in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian". I wonder who paid for the building repairs. Linton - Original Message - From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal limbo. The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. 2 in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an appointment. The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the world's largest collection of meteorites. But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across the region. The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It isn't nice." Legal wrangling ensued. We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early February, and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors Without Borders last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection manager at the Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though no date has been set. "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it go." The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
Hi Ryan, the term "planetary" in the context of meteoritics is applied to meteorites not stemming from asteroids, but from larger celestial bodies, which were for a longer period geologically active, hence from Planet Mars, the Moon and some reckon also those from planetoid Vesta among them. When it was firstly used, I don't know. Best, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von fallingfus...@wi.rr.com Gesendet: Freitag, 18. März 2011 19:44 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
But to be considered as a planet it have to have a spherical shape... The only "difference" I see between planets and moons (besides that a moon has not to apply the spherical shape), is the orbit, a planet orbits around a sun (maybe we could say, sun or suns), and a moon orbits around a planet. Best regards, Leo > From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:08:22 +0100 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" > > Hi Ryan, > > the term "planetary" in the context of meteoritics is applied to meteorites > not stemming from asteroids, but from larger celestial bodies, which were > for a longer period geologically active, > hence from Planet Mars, the Moon and some reckon also those from planetoid > Vesta among them. > > When it was firstly used, I don't know. > Best, > Martin > > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von > fallingfus...@wi.rr.com > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. März 2011 19:44 > An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" > > To the list, > > I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... > > Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to > meteorites. > > First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the > only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. > Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from > Venus and Mercury? > > Regards, > > Ryan > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay - Breitscheid, Karoonda, Murchison, Odessa, Queen's Mercy, Zagami, NWA 4024, 4025, 5363, 5391, 5697
Dear list members, A few rare small meteorite slices and fragments next to LDG Gem quality and other stones are available on E-Bay ending in about 2 days (Sunday morning PDT). No reserve, low starting bid, some still at USD 1.99 ! Please have a look if interested. http://stores.ebay.com/SAHARAGEMS-DESERT-STONES-and-more?_rdc=1 Thanks and happy weekend. Thomas www.saharagems.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Congrats Steve! It's a good day! On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:06 PM, wrote: > To whom it may concern: > > With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District > Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail > returned the follow verdicts today: > > Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to > Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to > Philip Mani? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for > us. > > We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look > forward to the exciting things ahead. > > Steve Arnold > of Meteorite Men > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
Hi Mike, Your posts are always amusing. But don't even get me started on meteorite export laws. (i.e. our friendly govt. officials to the north) Cheers, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
At a time in the distant past, NASA in its infinite wisdom made general reference to the solar system bodies as comets, asteroids, planets and their satellites, the latter referenced as planetary. Satellite is an ugly term and there are a lot of moons. So, to include our moon in the planetary fold seems reasonable, at least for meteorite people. Besides, the mostly accepted theory about the origin of the Moon is that it came from the Earth via impact and accretion of debris, so the Moon is a viable planetary body in its own right. Live with it - who knows, may be angrites come from Mercury. Ted On 3/18/11 11:44 AM, "fallingfus...@wi.rr.com" wrote: > To the list, > > I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... > > Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to > meteorites. > > First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the > only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. > Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from > Venus and Mercury? > > Regards, > > Ryan > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
A lesson learned -- On 3/18/11 12:06 PM, "meteorh...@aol.com" wrote: > To whom it may concern: > > With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District > Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail > returned the follow verdicts today: > > Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to > Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to > Philip Mani? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? > > > Jury's Answer: No. > > My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for > us. > > We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look > forward to the exciting things ahead. > > Steve Arnold > of Meteorite Men > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
Hello All, Ryan inquired: "Who in the world ever came up with the term 'Planetary' in reference to meteorites." The first time I saw it used was in an abstract in Meteoritics in 1994, July: M.M. Lindstrom (1994) What Would we Miss if we Characterized the Moon and Mars with just Planetary Meteorites, Remote Mapping and Robotic Landers? (Meteoritics 29-4, 1994, A491). Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men I'd thank the jury first. Best, Steve __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
Hello Ted, Yes, I learned about the theory of our Moons formation in.. what was it.. fifth grade, I believe. (??) So does that make every other moon in our galaxy a "planetary body" also? Ryan --Original Message-- From: Ted Bunch To: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Sent: Mar 18, 2011 14:09 At a time in the distant past, NASA in its infinite wisdom made general reference to the solar system bodies as comets, asteroids, planets and their satellites, the latter referenced as planetary. Satellite is an ugly term and there are a lot of moons. So, to include our moon in the planetary fold seems reasonable, at least for meteorite people. Besides, the mostly accepted theory about the origin of the Moon is that it came from the Earth via impact and accretion of debris, so the Moon is a viable planetary body in its own right. Live with it - who knows, may be angrites come from Mercury. Ted On 3/18/11 11:44 AM, "fallingfus...@wi.rr.com" wrote: > To the list, > > I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... > > Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to > meteorites. > > First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the > only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. > Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from > Venus and Mercury? > > Regards, > > Ryan > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® >__ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
Hi again, I guess that paper could have established that term: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc1994/pdf/1399.pdf Best, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von fallingfus...@wi.rr.com Gesendet: Freitag, 18. März 2011 20:41 An: Ted Bunch; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Hello Ted, Yes, I learned about the theory of our Moons formation in.. what was it.. fifth grade, I believe. (??) So does that make every other moon in our galaxy a "planetary body" also? Ryan --Original Message-- From: Ted Bunch To: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Sent: Mar 18, 2011 14:09 At a time in the distant past, NASA in its infinite wisdom made general reference to the solar system bodies as comets, asteroids, planets and their satellites, the latter referenced as planetary. Satellite is an ugly term and there are a lot of moons. So, to include our moon in the planetary fold seems reasonable, at least for meteorite people. Besides, the mostly accepted theory about the origin of the Moon is that it came from the Earth via impact and accretion of debris, so the Moon is a viable planetary body in its own right. Live with it - who knows, may be angrites come from Mercury. Ted On 3/18/11 11:44 AM, "fallingfus...@wi.rr.com" wrote: > To the list, > > I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... > > Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to > meteorites. > > First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the > only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. > Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from > Venus and Mercury? > > Regards, > > Ryan > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® >__ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
> > So does that make every other moon in our galaxy a "planetary body" also? > > Ryan No Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Last year I visited a friend who works at the Smithsonian and I got to hold the Lorton meteorite; it's absolutely a magnificent specimen. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum" wrote: > > The landlords got outlawyered: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html > > > By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM > When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal > limbo. > > The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky > across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in > Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. 2 > in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an > appointment. > > The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it > to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the > world's largest collection of meteorites. > > But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the > asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound > meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented > entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a > photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across > the region. > > The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It isn't > nice." Legal wrangling ensued. > > We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. > > The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the > doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early February, > and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors Without Borders > last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection manager at the > Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though no date has been > set. > > "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We > felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." > > Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only > issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." > > "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips > Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. > "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it > go." > > The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around > between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep in > the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of > other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. > > Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. > > "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." > > CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you > want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. > > > > > > Phil Whitmer > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Congrats Steve, we never had any doubts. -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Ruben Garcia wrote: = Congrats Steve! It's a good day! On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 12:06 PM, wrote: > To whom it may concern: > > With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District > Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail > returned the follow verdicts today: > > Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to > Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to > Philip Mani? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? > > Jury's Answer: No. > > My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for > us. > > We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look > forward to the exciting things ahead. > > Steve Arnold > of Meteorite Men > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Hi Steve and Qynne, Coagulations on the victory way to go! Sonny -Original Message- From: meteorhntr To: meteorite-list Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2011 8:06 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts To whom it may concern:With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today:Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No.Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No.Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No.Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No.Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No.My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us.We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead.Steve Arnoldof Meteorite MenSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Steve, Smart move, choosing Perry Mason as your attorney. Congrats on your successful verdicts. A weight has been lifted. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of meteorh...@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:07 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts To whom it may concern: With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today: Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No. My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] POP QUIZ TODAY
Hello Listers, Today is a pop quiz. The name of the game is be the 7th Lister to email me off the List with the correct answer and you will win a free copy of Meteorite Magazine from Feb 1998. I have to say, its a blast from the past to look through the magazine. The issue has great images taken by Martin G. Horejsi, article about The Burnwell meteorite, Centerpiece about Melrose(a), and a visit about the old woman meteorite not to mention other great articles to read about. Question: Please tell me how man F Class asteroids there are in the main belt. Have fun and rock on :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pale Moon Rising
Hi List, Closest approach in twenty years. Over Libya the fast movers will refer to it as a "Bombers Moon". http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20110318/e0ef9da2-195a-49b8-9f00-32cf28db06c4 Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
The fact of the matter is that "planetary meteorite" is not a commonly used term in scientific papers. It dates to at least the 1980s, as a Google scholar search will reveal. Some of the citations actually talk about lunar AND planetary meteorites (e.g., http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1994LPI25.1463W). I think it is a loose term, and probably in more widespread use among the collector/dealer community than among the scientific one. It is not some kind of "official" NASA phrase. Jeff On 3/18/2011 4:16 PM, Martin Altmann wrote: Hi again, I guess that paper could have established that term: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc1994/pdf/1399.pdf Best, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von fallingfus...@wi.rr.com Gesendet: Freitag, 18. März 2011 20:41 An: Ted Bunch; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Hello Ted, Yes, I learned about the theory of our Moons formation in.. what was it.. fifth grade, I believe. (??) So does that make every other moon in our galaxy a "planetary body" also? Ryan --Original Message-- From: Ted Bunch To: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Sent: Mar 18, 2011 14:09 At a time in the distant past, NASA in its infinite wisdom made general reference to the solar system bodies as comets, asteroids, planets and their satellites, the latter referenced as planetary. Satellite is an ugly term and there are a lot of moons. So, to include our moon in the planetary fold seems reasonable, at least for meteorite people. Besides, the mostly accepted theory about the origin of the Moon is that it came from the Earth via impact and accretion of debris, so the Moon is a viable planetary body in its own right. Live with it - who knows, may be angrites come from Mercury. Ted On 3/18/11 11:44 AM, "fallingfus...@wi.rr.com" wrote: To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Well shoot, that makes 2 of my 3 birthday falls rocks that I won't be unable to add to my collection (the other being Baxter, formerly part of the Nininger Collection). At least Tagish Lake is available, although at $600/g and up it's not exactly affordable to me. Hopefully Lorton will be on public display the next time I'm in D.C. from sunny so. Cal Michael On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Greg Stanley wrote: > Last year I visited a friend who works at the Smithsonian and I got to hold > the Lorton meteorite; it's absolutely a magnificent specimen. > > Greg S. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum" > wrote: > >> >> The landlords got outlawyered: >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html >> >> >> By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM >> When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal >> limbo. >> >> The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky >> across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in >> Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. >> 2 in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an >> appointment. >> >> The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it >> to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the >> world's largest collection of meteorites. >> >> But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the >> asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound >> meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented >> entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a >> photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across >> the region. >> >> The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It isn't >> nice." Legal wrangling ensued. >> >> We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. >> >> The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the >> doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early >> February, and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors >> Without Borders last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection >> manager at the Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though >> no date has been set. >> >> "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We >> felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." >> >> Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only >> issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." >> >> "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips >> Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. >> "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it >> go." >> >> The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around >> between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep >> in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of >> other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. >> >> Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. >> >> "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." >> >> CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you >> want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. >> >> >> >> >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stars Gather in 'Downtown' Milky Way
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-088&msource=spitzerecard&tr=y&auid=7974399 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/multimedia/pia13932.html http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/images/2680-ssc2008-11a-Spitzer-Finds-Clarity-in-the-Inner-Milky-Way __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
Whoops, didn't mean the double negative. "...rocks that I won't be _able_ to add to my collection..." grammar police almost got me : ) On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: > Well shoot, that makes 2 of my 3 birthday falls rocks that I won't be > unable to add to my collection (the other being Baxter, formerly part > of the Nininger Collection). At least Tagish Lake is available, > although at $600/g and up it's not exactly affordable to me. > Hopefully Lorton will be on public display the next time I'm in D.C. > > from sunny so. Cal > Michael > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Greg Stanley > wrote: >> Last year I visited a friend who works at the Smithsonian and I got to hold >> the Lorton meteorite; it's absolutely a magnificent specimen. >> >> Greg S. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> The landlords got outlawyered: >>> >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html >>> >>> >>> By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM >>> When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal >>> limbo. >>> >>> The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky >>> across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in >>> Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. >>> 2 in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have >>> an appointment. >>> >>> The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated >>> it to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the >>> world's largest collection of meteorites. >>> >>> But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the >>> asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound >>> meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented >>> entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a >>> photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across >>> the region. >>> >>> The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It >>> isn't nice." Legal wrangling ensued. >>> >>> We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. >>> >>> The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the >>> doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early >>> February, and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors >>> Without Borders last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection >>> manager at the Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though >>> no date has been set. >>> >>> "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We >>> felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." >>> >>> Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only >>> issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." >>> >>> "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips >>> Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. >>> "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it >>> go." >>> >>> The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around >>> between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep >>> in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of >>> other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it >>> company. >>> >>> Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. >>> >>> "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." >>> >>> CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you >>> want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Phil Whitmer >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pale Moon Rising
Count Deiro wrote: "Closest approach in twenty years." Sky & Telescope, March 1993, p. 73: "When the Moon is full on the night of the 7th it is also at its closest perigee (nearest Earth) for the whole year and therefore at its biggest and brightest. The difference, however, may not be enough to notice with- out actually measuring the Moon's apparent diameter." Moonstruck*, Bernd * not (yet) really ;-) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info on Polishing Cut Stones? ( AD ++ )
Is there any scientific to polish a cut stone? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary"
Hello Ryan, The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In the astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to as a dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies (don't quite me, though I may be wrong). I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary system (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. -Walter - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Congratulations, Steve. Unless there is an appeal (hope not), maybe now you can finally put this behind you. -Walter - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts To whom it may concern: With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today: Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No. My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Later, Uranus: New Horizons Passes Another Planetary Milestone
http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/news_center/news/20110318.php Later, Uranus: New Horizons Passes Another Planetary Milestone March 18, 2011 New Horizons is ready to put another planet - or at least the planet's orbit - in its rearview mirror. The Pluto-bound spacecraft crosses the path of Uranus around 6 p.m. EDT on March 18, more than 1.8 billion miles from Earth. "New Horizons is all about delayed gratification, and our 9 1/2-year cruise to the Pluto system illustrates that," says Principal Investigator Alan Stern, of the Southwest Research Institute. 'Crossing the orbit of Uranus is another milepost along our long journey to the very frontier of exploration." New Horizons is headed for a rendezvous with planet Pluto and its three moons in July 2015 and, soon after, possible encounters with smaller bodies in the distant Kuiper Belt. The fastest spacecraft ever launched, New Horizons has already covered serious space since lifting off in January 2006 - traversing 20 times the distance between Earth and the sun, including a flight through the Jupiter system <http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/news_center/news/100907.php> in 2007 for a gravity-assisted speed boost and scientific observations of the giant planet and its largest moons. "This mission is a marathon," says Project Manager Glen Fountain, of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory. "The New Horizons team has been focu sed on keeping the spacecraft on course and preparing for Pluto. So far, so good, and we are working to keep it that way". When has New Horizons passed the other planetary orbits? Check here <http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/passingplanets/passingPlanets_current.php>. No pictures of Uranus are planned - the gas giant is 2.4 billion miles from New Horizons and the spacecraft is currently in electronic sleep mode - but the mission team on Earth is busy enough, putting final touches on its Pluto-encounter plan and, in April, starting a search for potential flyby targets in the Kuiper Belt. Preparations are also under way for the annual spacecraft systems checkout this spring. Next planetary milestone on New Horizons' voyage is the orbit of Neptune, which it crosses on Aug. 25, 2014 - exactly 25 years after Voyager 2 made its historic exploration of that giant planet. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - ebay: Stunning Collection Pieces for Sale: ALBARETO, ARRIBA, BISHOPVILLE, JONZAC, JOHNSTOWN, ORNANS...and more!
Hello All, on ebay I'm selling a few more of my collection "crown jewels". They are ending in about two days. Please have a look: http://shop.ebay.com/pema9/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= - ALBARETO, Italy, fell 1766!, 0.70 g - ARRIBA, CO USA 1936, 6.04 g with numbers and orig. label - BISHOPVILLE, SC USA, Aubrite, fell 1843! - JONZAC, France, fell 1819, 0.910 g - JOHNSTOWN, USA, Diogenite, fell 1924 - HESSLE, Sweden, fell 1869, 0.783 g - ORNANS, France, fell 1868, 0.475 g! - MURCHISON Australia, fell 1969, CM2! - NWA 6234 stunning Shergottite, thin slice, 0.288 g! - GAO-GUENIE, Bukina Faso, 33.7 g, oriented! - NWA 6344, new Ureilite! - NWA 6292, Brachinite (plots TFL!) http://shop.ebay.com/pema9/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747 Bern, Switzerland http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tagish Lake (was: "Lorton Meteorite") - AD
Hi Michael and Listees, Michael wrote his concerns about Tagish Lake pricing in his reply about the Lorton Meteorite: "At least Tagish Lake is available, although at $600/g and up it's not exactly affordable to me." Maybe this will help sway your vote into a nice display: http://www.lunarrock.com/tagishlake/tagishlakekit_50mg.jpg Not only do you get actual Tagish Lake meteorite material, you get it all set up and ready to display!! ;-) Happy Friday! Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:24 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite Well shoot, that makes 2 of my 3 birthday falls rocks that I won't be unable to add to my collection (the other being Baxter, formerly part of the Nininger Collection). At least Tagish Lake is available, although at $600/g and up it's not exactly affordable to me. Hopefully Lorton will be on public display the next time I'm in D.C. from sunny so. Cal Michael On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Greg Stanley wrote: Last year I visited a friend who works at the Smithsonian and I got to hold the Lorton meteorite; it's absolutely a magnificent specimen. Greg S. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:22 AM, "JoshuaTreeMuseum" wrote: The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal limbo. The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. 2 in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an appointment. The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the world's largest collection of meteorites. But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across the region. The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: "It isn't nice." Legal wrangling ensued. We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early February, and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors Without Borders last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection manager at the Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though no date has been set. "We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian," Gallini says. "We felt that where it's belonged since the beginning." Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only issue with events was that "we got portrayed as the bad guys." "All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school," he said. "The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it go." The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. "It's going to stay here where everyone can see it." CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairl
Re: [meteorite-list] Later, Uranus: New Horizons Passes Another Planetary Milestone
With the looming retirement of the current Space Shuttle missions, our interplanetary launches and marathons keeps my hopes alive that our beloved country's thirst for knowledge will not fade-away into obscurity. Needless to say, I am a neophyte and know nothing of the plans for continued exploration. My main concern is: Where is it going? What can we anticipate? Ongoing and far-reaching goals attract the brilliant minds. Ron, can/will you (please, if you are at liberty to do so) shed some light upon the future of ongoing space exploration? Notwithstanding the anticipated data from Mercury, and of course New Horizonsgenerally we simpletons know nothing of the plans. Hopefully it isn't at the complete whim of a non-interested executive branch, nor the actual and true concerns in bugetary analysis in Washington. I realize that $$$ is in play here, and take no 'political' positionbut I'm very concerned that the rug may be pulled. Our space exploration parallels and in a grand way personifies the spirit of advancement/exploration/research and generally the antithesis of sitting on our collectives asses, while knowledge burns. Stated above, Ongoing and far-reaching goals attract the brilliant minds. Looking for some encouragement, sincerely, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: "Ron Baalke" To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Later,Uranus: New Horizons Passes Another Planetary Milestone http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/news_center/news/20110318.php Later, Uranus: New Horizons Passes Another Planetary Milestone March 18, 2011 New Horizons is ready to put another planet - or at least the planet's orbit - in its rearview mirror. The Pluto-bound spacecraft crosses the path of Uranus around 6 p.m. EDT on March 18, more than 1.8 billion miles from Earth. "New Horizons is all about delayed gratification, and our 9 1/2-year cruise to the Pluto system illustrates that," says Principal Investigator Alan Stern, of the Southwest Research Institute. 'Crossing the orbit of Uranus is another milepost along our long journey to the very frontier of exploration." New Horizons is headed for a rendezvous with planet Pluto and its three moons in July 2015 and, soon after, possible encounters with smaller bodies in the distant Kuiper Belt. The fastest spacecraft ever launched, New Horizons has already covered serious space since lifting off in January 2006 - traversing 20 times the distance between Earth and the sun, including a flight through the Jupiter system <http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/news_center/news/100907.php> in 2007 for a gravity-assisted speed boost and scientific observations of the giant planet and its largest moons. "This mission is a marathon," says Project Manager Glen Fountain, of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory. "The New Horizons team has been focu sed on keeping the spacecraft on course and preparing for Pluto. So far, so good, and we are working to keep it that way". When has New Horizons passed the other planetary orbits? Check here <http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/passingplanets/passingPlanets_current.php>. No pictures of Uranus are planned - the gas giant is 2.4 billion miles from New Horizons and the spacecraft is currently in electronic sleep mode - but the mission team on Earth is busy enough, putting final touches on its Pluto-encounter plan and, in April, starting a search for potential flyby targets in the Kuiper Belt. Preparations are also under way for the annual spacecraft systems checkout this spring. Next planetary milestone on New Horizons' voyage is the orbit of Neptune, which it crosses on Aug. 25, 2014 - exactly 25 years after Voyager 2 made its historic exploration of that giant planet. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: LA 001 micromount
Greetings List members, Just returned from a family-related emergency trip to the East Coast. Thankfully everyone is okay, but I forgot what Winter is like in the US Northeast. Makes me appreciate the weather we have here in San Diego. But this unplanned trip means I have to cover some unexpected expenses. Which means that I will have to part with a specimen from my personal collection. My loss, but somebody stands to gain a micromount of LA 001 - Now available: http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/eb/la1mm1.jpg http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/eb/la1mm2.jpg http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/eb/la1mm3.jpg http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/eb/la1mm4.jpg http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/eb/la1mm5.jpg Submit your best offer for the above LA 001 micromount; which includes label and COA from the finder (that would be me:-) Accepting offers until 9PM PDT Sunday 20th March 2011. To help you determine an offer amount, here is a recent eBay auction: http://tinyurl.com/LA001micro In a way, the bidders in that auction could consider this post as a quasi-Second-Chance Offer. For everyone else, this is still a rare opportunity. At the least, you might find the images to be interesting, Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Great news. Now you can move on with the fun things in life. Cant wait to see what you & Geoff have in store for us all on season #3 Scott Johnson U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC Eagles Nest Airpark Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S www.usairborne.com i...@usairborne.com Office 509-780-0554 Cell 509-780-8377 -- From: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:06 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts To whom it may concern: With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today: Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No. My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Memories
The link below is my new born with a 36kg Campo, he will be 12 April 13th 2011. http://www.meteoritelabels.com/chris.jpg Time! Roman Jirasek __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Double Planets
Hi, Walter, List, The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies... You're not wrong, Walter. What would have made Pluto-Charon a true "double planet system" under those original IAU definitions (the ones that were shot down in favor of dwarfism) was the fact that the barycenter of the Pluto-Charon system was well OUTSIDE both bodies. This means that they truly orbit each other, dancing around a point in space between them. If Charon was much smaller or much further away from Pluto, the barycenter would move closer to the center of mass of Pluto until it was inside the planet. The barycenter of the Earth-Moon system lies inside the Earth, about 1710 km down in the mantle, wandering up and down a bit with the eccentricity and tilted, of course. All the figures for Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon and the formulas for all that barycenter stuff are nicely accumulated in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter#Barycenter_in_astronomy Interestingly, the path of the barycenter of the Sun and all planetary bodies taken together passes through the body of the Sun much of the time, even through the fusion core of the Sun, and yet part of the time that barycenter is outside the Sun. (There's a diagram.) It's a 179-year cycle. I wonder what that does to the surface and if it affects the sunspot cycle? Big arguments about that: http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=barycenter+jose&fp=a0e1d04ac32ef934 Playing with the numbers... if the Moon were 40% heavier than it is, the barycenter would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth, outside the planet, and we would meet the definition of "double planet." OR, if the Moon was the same weight but 335,000 miles away instead of 240,000, then too the barycenter of the system would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth. Of course in a billion years or so, the Moon WILL be that far away, so relax... We'll get there. Be sure and scroll down to the animations of a number of double systems, including Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon. It's like watching drunken mice waltz... Sterling K. Webb -- Dear Cap'n: I changed the subject line... I've reformed. -- - Original Message - From: "Walter Branch" To: ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Hello Ryan, The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In the astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to as a dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies (don't quote me, though I may be wrong). I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary system (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. -Walter - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets
Hi Sterling: I don't like to disagree with you (YES!), but I wonder if you have ever been on a seesaw. If you move Charon away from Pluto, the center of mass moves away from Pluto, not toward it, you have a longer lever arm. You actually get it right when you talk about the Moon later on! Moving the Moon 50% farther away puts the barycenter outside the Earth. Larry > Hi, Walter, List, > >> The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be >> whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in >> space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies... > > You're not wrong, Walter. > > What would have made Pluto-Charon a true > "double planet system" under those original IAU > definitions (the ones that were shot down in favor > of dwarfism) was the fact that the barycenter of > the Pluto-Charon system was well OUTSIDE both > bodies. This means that they truly orbit each other, > dancing around a point in space between them. > > If Charon was much smaller or much further away > from Pluto, the barycenter would move closer to > the center of mass of Pluto until it was inside the > planet. The barycenter of the Earth-Moon system > lies inside the Earth, about 1710 km down in the > mantle, wandering up and down a bit with the > eccentricity and tilted, of course. > > All the figures for Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon > and the formulas for all that barycenter stuff are > nicely accumulated in this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter#Barycenter_in_astronomy > > Interestingly, the path of the barycenter of the Sun > and all planetary bodies taken together passes through > the body of the Sun much of the time, even through the > fusion core of the Sun, and yet part of the time that > barycenter is outside the Sun. (There's a diagram.) It's > a 179-year cycle. I wonder what that does to the surface > and if it affects the sunspot cycle? Big arguments about that: > http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=barycenter+jose&fp=a0e1d04ac32ef934 > > Playing with the numbers... if the Moon were 40% > heavier than it is, the barycenter would be just ABOVE > the surface of the Earth, outside the planet, and we > would meet the definition of "double planet." > > OR, if the Moon was the same weight but 335,000 miles > away instead of 240,000, then too the barycenter of the > system would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth. > > Of course in a billion years or so, the Moon WILL be > that far away, so relax... We'll get there. > > Be sure and scroll down to the animations of a number > of double systems, including Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon. > It's like watching drunken mice waltz... > > > Sterling K. Webb > -- > Dear Cap'n: I changed the subject line... I've reformed. > -- > - Original Message - > From: "Walter Branch" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" > > > Hello Ryan, > > The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In > the > astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to > as a > dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and > dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of > the > bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies > (don't > quote me, though I may be wrong). > > I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary > system > (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. > > -Walter > > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" > > > To the list, > > I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... > > Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to > meteorites. > > First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, > the > only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. > Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those > from > Venus and Mercury? > > Regards, > > Ryan > > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets
Larry is right (who could doubt it?). I got it backward. Charon would have to move closer to Pluto to get their barycenter inside Pluto. Presently, their center-to-center distance is 19,600 km. If you pushed'em to only 10,650 km apart, the barycenter would be at Pluto's surface. The two planetary surfaces would then be only 8900 km apart! (They're 17,850 km apart now.) Then, they'd have to be even closer for the barycenter to be inside Pluto. That would be quite a view! Either way. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: To: "Sterling K. Webb" Cc: "Walter Branch" ; ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets Hi Sterling: I don't like to disagree with you (YES!), but I wonder if you have ever been on a seesaw. If you move Charon away from Pluto, the center of mass moves away from Pluto, not toward it, you have a longer lever arm. You actually get it right when you talk about the Moon later on! Moving the Moon 50% farther away puts the barycenter outside the Earth. Larry Hi, Walter, List, The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies... You're not wrong, Walter. What would have made Pluto-Charon a true "double planet system" under those original IAU definitions (the ones that were shot down in favor of dwarfism) was the fact that the barycenter of the Pluto-Charon system was well OUTSIDE both bodies. This means that they truly orbit each other, dancing around a point in space between them. If Charon was much smaller or much further away from Pluto, the barycenter would move closer to the center of mass of Pluto until it was inside the planet. The barycenter of the Earth-Moon system lies inside the Earth, about 1710 km down in the mantle, wandering up and down a bit with the eccentricity and tilted, of course. All the figures for Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon and the formulas for all that barycenter stuff are nicely accumulated in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter#Barycenter_in_astronomy Interestingly, the path of the barycenter of the Sun and all planetary bodies taken together passes through the body of the Sun much of the time, even through the fusion core of the Sun, and yet part of the time that barycenter is outside the Sun. (There's a diagram.) It's a 179-year cycle. I wonder what that does to the surface and if it affects the sunspot cycle? Big arguments about that: http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=barycenter+jose&fp=a0e1d04ac32ef934 Playing with the numbers... if the Moon were 40% heavier than it is, the barycenter would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth, outside the planet, and we would meet the definition of "double planet." OR, if the Moon was the same weight but 335,000 miles away instead of 240,000, then too the barycenter of the system would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth. Of course in a billion years or so, the Moon WILL be that far away, so relax... We'll get there. Be sure and scroll down to the animations of a number of double systems, including Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon. It's like watching drunken mice waltz... Sterling K. Webb -- Dear Cap'n: I changed the subject line... I've reformed. -- - Original Message - From: "Walter Branch" To: ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Hello Ryan, The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In the astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to as a dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies (don't quote me, though I may be wrong). I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary system (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. -Walter - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-li
[meteorite-list] AD - Two Meteorite Magazines
Hello All, I have two crisp issues of "Meteorite" magazine - May 2009, and August 2010. $9 each, postage included. Please email off list if interested. Thanks. http://meteoritemag.uark.edu/back%20issues/months/2009%20May.htm http://meteoritemag.uark.edu/back%20issues/months/2010%20August.htm Ryan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Steve, thank the jury first, since they are the ones that decided the verdict. Then thank the judge just out of kindness. All the best! Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Memories
Great photo. He looks pretty relaxed with that Campo. Here's one of my grandson around 6 or 7 years ago with a chunk of Wadi Mellene that I gave him for show and tell at school. He'll be 12 this year too. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/dermet3.jpg Bill > From: rom...@sympatico.ca > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:29:37 -0400 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Memories > > The link below is my new born with a 36kg Campo, he will be 12 April 13th > 2011. > http://www.meteoritelabels.com/chris.jpg > > Time! > > Roman Jirasek > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
As of today, we have a robot explorer in orbit around Mercury with a year's rent paid up (and hopefully the lease will be renewed if it does good). We also have a presence in orbit at the planet Venus, working there since 2006, and mappers clicking away in our own backyard, at the Moon. Mars is crawled with rovers, orbited by imagers, and being mapped to a sharper resolution that we have charted our own planet, and more of our machines are readying to join them. Out at Saturn, Cassini, a plutonium-powered robot will carry on its long investigation of that entire miniature solar system out there. And Spring is starting on Titan! We have been poking our noses into comets this year, after smacking them to see what happens, and snatching pieces and bringing them home. This summer, another of our robots will visit a large asteroid (No. 4) for the first time. In a year or so it will move on to the largest asteroid, while the most ambitious of long-haul robots dashes toward Pluto. We will be at Ceres when it gets to Pluto... and Cassini will still be working Saturn. There are only three planets we're not already at nor going to. We are all over the place. Does this qualify for a Golden Age? (The first one being the Voyager Grand Tour.) If the Aliens are watching, they probably have the Sol System in their books as one that already has a dominant species, have written it off for colonization, and are getting ready to move on. No, the Aliens are not the problem. I worry instead about the Wise Men of the Potomac who want to beach the fleet and burn it on the shore in order to save the Republic from the perils of exploration. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sky Calls To Us/The Wonder of Meteorites
"special thanks to Jeff Kuyken for creating "The Wonder of Meteorites" video. A beautiful compilation, and the best meteorite video I've ever had the pleasure of watching" I'll second that, Eric. Jeff really set the bar high with that glorious video! Linton - Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" To: "Meteorite-list" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sky Calls To Us A Glorious Dawn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day, venture to the stars. If you wish to make an apple pie, you must first invent the universe. The brain has it's own language for testing the structure and consistency of the world. How lucky we are to live in this time, the first moment in human history when we are, in fact, visiting other worlds. A still more glorious dawn awaits, not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise, a morning filled with 400 billion suns. The rising of the Milky Way. The surface from the Earth, is the shore of the cosmic ocean. Recently we've waded a little way out and the water seems inviting. The sky calls to us. – Carl Sagan The Wonder of Meteorites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5oknQjqQuw Enjoy... Regards, Eric P.S. Thanks go out to Darren Garrison for the original post to list (a long while back) introducing list members to the "Symphony of Science" video with Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking titled "A Glorious Dawn" without which I may not have found these wonderful series of videos. And special thanks to Jeff Kuyken for creating "The Wonder of Meteorites" video. A beautiful compilation, and the best meteorite video I've ever had the pleasure of watching If you liked the Symphony of Science videos you can check it out on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/melodysheep Latest Video: Bang Goes the Theory The more questions you answer, the more you find there is to investigate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VblqcRvN7-Y That's the beauty of Science. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets
Ahh, well...there you go... Thanks for the clarification guys. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Sterling K. Webb" To: Cc: ; "Walter Branch" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets Larry is right (who could doubt it?). I got it backward. Charon would have to move closer to Pluto to get their barycenter inside Pluto. Presently, their center-to-center distance is 19,600 km. If you pushed'em to only 10,650 km apart, the barycenter would be at Pluto's surface. The two planetary surfaces would then be only 8900 km apart! (They're 17,850 km apart now.) Then, they'd have to be even closer for the barycenter to be inside Pluto. That would be quite a view! Either way. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: To: "Sterling K. Webb" Cc: "Walter Branch" ; ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets Hi Sterling: I don't like to disagree with you (YES!), but I wonder if you have ever been on a seesaw. If you move Charon away from Pluto, the center of mass moves away from Pluto, not toward it, you have a longer lever arm. You actually get it right when you talk about the Moon later on! Moving the Moon 50% farther away puts the barycenter outside the Earth. Larry Hi, Walter, List, The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies... You're not wrong, Walter. What would have made Pluto-Charon a true "double planet system" under those original IAU definitions (the ones that were shot down in favor of dwarfism) was the fact that the barycenter of the Pluto-Charon system was well OUTSIDE both bodies. This means that they truly orbit each other, dancing around a point in space between them. If Charon was much smaller or much further away from Pluto, the barycenter would move closer to the center of mass of Pluto until it was inside the planet. The barycenter of the Earth-Moon system lies inside the Earth, about 1710 km down in the mantle, wandering up and down a bit with the eccentricity and tilted, of course. All the figures for Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon and the formulas for all that barycenter stuff are nicely accumulated in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter#Barycenter_in_astronomy Interestingly, the path of the barycenter of the Sun and all planetary bodies taken together passes through the body of the Sun much of the time, even through the fusion core of the Sun, and yet part of the time that barycenter is outside the Sun. (There's a diagram.) It's a 179-year cycle. I wonder what that does to the surface and if it affects the sunspot cycle? Big arguments about that: http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=barycenter+jose&fp=a0e1d04ac32ef934 Playing with the numbers... if the Moon were 40% heavier than it is, the barycenter would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth, outside the planet, and we would meet the definition of "double planet." OR, if the Moon was the same weight but 335,000 miles away instead of 240,000, then too the barycenter of the system would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth. Of course in a billion years or so, the Moon WILL be that far away, so relax... We'll get there. Be sure and scroll down to the animations of a number of double systems, including Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon. It's like watching drunken mice waltz... Sterling K. Webb -- Dear Cap'n: I changed the subject line... I've reformed. -- - Original Message - From: "Walter Branch" To: ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" Hello Ryan, The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In the astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to as a dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies (don't quote me, though I may be wrong). I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary system (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. -Walter - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term "Planetary" To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term "Planetary" in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only "Planetary" meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, "Martian" meteorites. Did I miss the big
[meteorite-list] Arizona Fireball 7:45pm local 18MAR2011
Dear List, There was an Arizona fireball event tonight 18MAR. Unknown if it was space trash or not, mighty slow. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/03/arizona-meteor-fireball-18mar2011.html Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
