Re: [meteorite-list] article request: Alderman on Australian Craters
Excellent! Thanks Eric, and all others who replied. Svend - Original Message - From: "Eric Hutton" To: "Meteorite-Recon.com" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] article request: Alderman on Australian Craters >I have just put up a copy of > > The meteorite craters at Henbury, Central Australia by Arthur Richard > Alderman > > > > It was missing the title page and an entry in the index, which I have > just added. > > Regards > > Eric Hutton. > > - Original Message - > From: "Meteorite-Recon.com" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:26 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] article request: Alderman on Australian > Craters > > >> >> Unfortunately the archives of the Mineralogical Society are >> temporarily not available. >> >> Perhaps someone can point me to a source or help me with a digital >> copy of Mineralogical Magazine, 1932, vol. 23 (March), pp. 19-32, >> it’s the article by Alderman on 'Meteorite Craters' I’m looking for. >> >> Sorry to bother you, and thanks for your help in advance >> >> Svend >> >> >> www.meteorite-recon.comhttp://www.meteoritehistory.info/MINMAG/VIEW23/V23P019.HTM __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items
Exactly, Martin! So it was, once upon a time...! [Uncle] Alex Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 03:43:17 +0200 > Von: "Martin Altmann" > An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items > Uncle Alexander, where art thou? > > You have to tell the old stories to the Youth, > who doesn't want to bear the incredible hardship, to type for a minute an > electric message into their newfangled apparatuses and to wait another > minute for an answer, in acquiring a desired meteorite specimen. > > Tell them from the days, where the collectors sat down, painting with the > stylus a letter on real paper, putting it in an envelope, taking a walk to > the post office, > and where the happy ending, after that kind of conversation forth and > back, > eventuated after months with the find of the specimen in the letter box. > > Tell them, how people spent only for making enquiries after a specimen and > to come to terms for oversea-calls more than today a 3 pound Campo does > cost. > > Tell them the anecdotes, that collectors sometimes paid the flight for the > finder, for him to come to show a stone to them. > > Tell them, how the collectors travelled a thousand miles to the show, to > visit two handful of rotten ordinary chondrites. > > Meteorites! Pieces of other worlds, of The Moon and Planet Mars!! > > Uncle Alex, see them bluster with SUCH a material, as if they would have > to > wait a minute too long at the counter for receiving their burgers! > > O tempora, o mores! > > The World as Will and Ebay; > Or Meteorites are Socks. > > ;-) > Martin > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? Really?
It's actually not as silly as everybody seems to think. There are a number of "ages" that one can speak about for an L chondrite, all of which are different and all of which are correct. These include a terrestrial age (how long on Earth), a cosmic-ray exposure age (how long in a small body in space), shock or metamorphic ages (how long since various heating events), an accretion age (how long since chondrules, matrix, etc. came together in a planetesimal), the age of the chondrules, the age of the CAIs, and probably others. One can also refer to ages based on specific measured isotope systems, such as an "argon age" (based on the decay of 40K to 40Ar), which is what the 470 Ma age in this article is. The argon age of L chondrites dates a major disruption event caused by an impact on the parent asteroid, resulting in the resetting of the argon isotopic system. As for the article, it isn't really wrong. If I were to quibble, I'd go the opposite way. It says "the meteorite dates back about 470 million years." In point of fact, the meteorite dates back only about 1 year, its terrestrial age -- before that it was not a meteorite. The meteoroid it came from probably dates back a few 10s of million years (or whatever the CRE age might be). The asteroid the meteoroid came from might date back about 470 Ma, or it might have just been shocked then, depending on the circumstances. The original L chondrite parent body dates back over 4.5 Ga. Bottom line: measured ages correspond to events (and sometimes it's not easy to figure out what that event is, or whether the age has any meaning at all!). If you just say "age" or "dates back" you are being ambiguous. Is the age of Mifflin 470 Ma? Yes. And no. Jeff > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite- > list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:25 AM > To: Joe Kerchner; meteorite list > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? > Really? > > It's the usual reporter scramble that results > when a scientist tries to explain something > more complicated than Brittany Spears or > Charlie Sheen to a reporter. > > Mifflin's an L chondrite. John Valley and > Noriko Kita have done a lot of work on the fossil > L chondrites of the Ordovician period, which > fell at rates 100 times greater than today's fall > rates, apparently after the breakup of the L > chondrite parent body sometime shortly before > 470 million years ago. > > They must have tried to explain all this to the > reporter instead being smart and saying "Yeah, > it's a rock from outer space and it's really old, > old as the solar system itself" and just letting > it go at that. > > Sorta like what you would say to a five-year-old. > Always a good idea to talk to reporters like they > were five-year-olds. Don't try to make them > handle too much. > > So, all of that got mushed together into this: > "Scientists believe [it] was originally part of an > asteroid fragment that separated 470 million > years ago between Mars and Jupiter." (From > the other local TV station.) > > Remember... Five-year-olds. > > > Sterling K. Webb > --- > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Kerchner" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:16 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? > Really? > > > > Hello all, > > It the 470 million year age for the Mifflin meteorite correct? if > > so, isn't that very young for a meteorite? I have been under the > > impression that the average age of a meteorite was 4.57 Billion years > > old I know that's an average, but isn't 470 million way too young? > > Theres no way that it is so young, is there? > > I read that in a couple articles online today. below is a link to one > > of them. > > http://www.wisn.com/r/27539805/detail.html?source=htv > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > Joe Kerchner > > http://illinoismeteorites.com > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list- > archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Geomrophology, including impact craters, of Martian volcanoes
Mist-capped volcanoes of Mars: The amazingly clear images that show how the Red Planet was transformed by meteor impacts, Daily Mail, April 7, 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1373984/Mist-capped-volcanoes-Mars-The-amazing-images-Red-Planet-transformed-meteor-impacts.html Neighboring volcanoes on Mars, Physorg, April 4, 2011 http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-04-neighboring-volcanoes-mars.html Mars Express: Ceraunius und Uranius Tholi http://www.astroarts.org/solscape/2011/04/06/mars-express-ceraunius-und-uranius-tholi/ Spectacular image at above web page at: http://www.astroarts.org/solscape/files/2011/04/ceraunius_uranius_tholi_color.jpg Digital Elevation Model of Ceraunius Tholus and Uranius Tholus, European Space Agency, http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=b&type=I&idf=SEMJ7L6UPLG&single=y&start=1 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wetumpka (impact) Crater Run
Crater Run scheduled for Riverfest, The Weptumka Herald, April 9, 2011. http://www.thewetumpkaherald.com/sports/outdoors/article_3b804da6-6225-11e0-8545-001cc4c03286.html I wonder if the Wetumpka impact crater in Alabama is only impact crater that has its only regularly scheduled foot race associated with it? Also, would the Wetumpka Crater Run T-shirts be considered a meteorite-related collectible (memorabilia)? Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2011
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Re: [meteorite-list] Major California Bolide Event Breaking Story 14APR2011 ~9:25 pm
Thanks Dirk! I just popped over to the AMS logged and no reports there! Good timing! Jim On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:25 PM, drtanuki wrote: > It turns out that it was an Atlas missile launch NOT a meteor as first > reported. Dirk...Tokyo > > > --- On Fri, 4/15/11, drtanuki wrote: > >> From: drtanuki >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Major California Bolide Event Breaking Story >> 14APR2011 ~9:25 pm >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Global Meteor Observing Forum" >> >> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 2:04 PM >> Dear List, Breaking story: >> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/04/major-california-meteor-fireball-event.html >> >> Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Meteorwrong Madness, Lunar Wrongs, LDG Wrong, Iron Wrongs - Rare Amber (Borneo, Chiapas, more!), Dino Bone, Meteorite Jewelry, more!
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Re: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? Really?
Hello all, There was an error in the article which I've copied below: "There are only three meteorites that have been observed to fall in Wisconsin since settlement, so this might have been our chance, Valley said." Actually there are five Wisconsin witnessed falls. Vernon County 1865 Kilbourn 1911 Colby1917 Turtle Lake 1996 Mifflin 2010 I suspect the quote inferred "in addition to Mifflin," but theTurtle Lake meteorite was overlooked which is understandable as it only weighed 89.3 grams. Of course it did hit a car so I guess the owner will always remember it. Cheers, Frank - Original Message From: Jeff Grossman To: meteorite list Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 2:41:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? Really? It's actually not as silly as everybody seems to think. There are a number of "ages" that one can speak about for an L chondrite, all of which are different and all of which are correct. These include a terrestrial age (how long on Earth), a cosmic-ray exposure age (how long in a small body in space), shock or metamorphic ages (how long since various heating events), an accretion age (how long since chondrules, matrix, etc. came together in a planetesimal), the age of the chondrules, the age of the CAIs, and probably others. One can also refer to ages based on specific measured isotope systems, such as an "argon age" (based on the decay of 40K to 40Ar), which is what the 470 Ma age in this article is. The argon age of L chondrites dates a major disruption event caused by an impact on the parent asteroid, resulting in the resetting of the argon isotopic system. As for the article, it isn't really wrong. If I were to quibble, I'd go the opposite way. It says "the meteorite dates back about 470 million years." In point of fact, the meteorite dates back only about 1 year, its terrestrial age -- before that it was not a meteorite. The meteoroid it came from probably dates back a few 10s of million years (or whatever the CRE age might be). The asteroid the meteoroid came from might date back about 470 Ma, or it might have just been shocked then, depending on the circumstances. The original L chondrite parent body dates back over 4.5 Ga. Bottom line: measured ages correspond to events (and sometimes it's not easy to figure out what that event is, or whether the age has any meaning at all!). If you just say "age" or "dates back" you are being ambiguous. Is the age of Mifflin 470 Ma? Yes. And no. Jeff > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite- > list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:25 AM > To: Joe Kerchner; meteorite list > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? > Really? > > It's the usual reporter scramble that results > when a scientist tries to explain something > more complicated than Brittany Spears or > Charlie Sheen to a reporter. > > Mifflin's an L chondrite. John Valley and > Noriko Kita have done a lot of work on the fossil > L chondrites of the Ordovician period, which > fell at rates 100 times greater than today's fall > rates, apparently after the breakup of the L > chondrite parent body sometime shortly before > 470 million years ago. > > They must have tried to explain all this to the > reporter instead being smart and saying "Yeah, > it's a rock from outer space and it's really old, > old as the solar system itself" and just letting > it go at that. > > Sorta like what you would say to a five-year-old. > Always a good idea to talk to reporters like they > were five-year-olds. Don't try to make them > handle too much. > > So, all of that got mushed together into this: > "Scientists believe [it] was originally part of an > asteroid fragment that separated 470 million > years ago between Mars and Jupiter." (From > the other local TV station.) > > Remember... Five-year-olds. > > > Sterling K. Webb > --- > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Kerchner" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:16 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? > Really? > > > > Hello all, > > It the 470 million year age for the Mifflin meteorite correct? if > > so, isn't that very young for a meteorite? I have been under the > > impression that the average age of a meteorite was 4.57 Billion years > > old I know that's an average, but isn't 470 million way too young? > > Theres no way that it is so young, is there? > > I read that in a couple articles online today. below is a link to one > > of them. > > http://www.wisn.com/r/27539805/detail.html?source=htv > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > Joe Kerchner > > http://illinoismeteorites.com > > > > __ > > Visit
[meteorite-list] 2nd Planetary Crater Consortium Meeting
http://www.planetarycraterconsortium.nau.edu/PCCMeeting.htm 2nd Planetary Crater Consortium Meeting Sept. 14-16, 2011 US Geological Survey, 2255 N. Gemini Drive, Flagstaff, AZ Venue: The 2nd Planetary Crater Consortium (PCC) Meeting will be held in the Building 6 (Shoemaker Center for Astrogeology) Roddy conference room at the US Geological Survey in Flagstaff, AZ, Wednesday Sept. 14 through Friday Sept. 16, 2010. The meeting will include time for contributed oral and poster presentations and sufficient time for general discussion topics. You do not have to present an oral or poster presentation in order to attend the meeting. We strive to keep the PCC meetings informal and set aside much of the time for general discussion. Dress is casual (as it is throughout Flagstaff), so leave the neckties and nylons at home. As noted below, temperatures can be on the cool and windy side in Flagstaff in late September, so plan accordingly. Registration: There is no registration fee for the PCC meeting. However, please email Nadine Barlow by August 31, to let us know if you will be attending so we can plan accordingly for refreshments, etc. Abstracts: All participants are strongly encouraged to submit an abstract to the meeting. *ABSTRACT DEADLINE IS FRIDAY, AUGUST 26, 2011, 5:00 PM PDT/MST*. Abstracts should be 2-page, single-spaced, LPSC style format. Please submit your abstract in PDF (preferred) or Microsoft Word format to Nadine Barlow . Please indicate whether you are requesting an oral or a poster presentation. Abstracts will be posted on the PCC website by Friday, Sept. 2, 2011. For More Information About the Meeting, Contact: Nadine Barlow, Dept. Physics and Astronomy, Northern Arizona University, Box 6010, Flagstaff, AZ 86011-6010 928-523-5452; FAX: 928-523-1317; nadine.bar...@nau.edu __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: April 11-15, 2011
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES April 11-15, 2011 o Morava Valles Chaos (11 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5617 o Crater Centers (12 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5618 o Pavonis Mons (13 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5619 o Channel (14 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5620 o Tithonium Chasma (15 April 2011) http://themis.asu.edu/node/5621 All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone?????
Hello Listers, I have a good question I was doing some searching around on the net today and I came across an article called THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS BY John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas With in the article it was stated that the meteorite plunged into a swimming pool feed by natural spring water hence where the meteorite got its name. I have also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock pond. Now can these natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if so was the one on Gages ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas man made as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena Blanca Springs meteorite be a HAMMER STONE? Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ pond could be man made is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below normal level to recover some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a pool/pond there has to be some construction implemented in order to achieve that? Down below is some points taken from the article and also a link to the whole article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what you think. Abstract The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the point of fall, and one person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting incidents were accurately reported. As far as known, man has never constructed a device in which to trap a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly he could not have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite with a violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The meteorite is named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and which is an historic landmark in the region. http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases I have read swimming pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word can be subjective. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone?????
Shawn and all, The "swimming pool" quote is used in the abstract. Later in the article the "swimming pool" is described thusly: "Springs issue at a point where a water gap has been eroded through the ridge and form a creek which flows southeast. About 400 feet below the springs, the creek is confined by a dam 4 feet high. At the head of the pool the water is about 10 feet in depth and 20 feet wide." The "swimming pool" is the pool made by damming the creek, no doubt for irrigation and/or supplying water for livestock. A photo of the pool is in the May 2000 issue of Meteorite magazine in an article about PBS. The only man-made construction involved is the dam. So I'd say "no" to it being a "hammer." ( unless there was meteoritic material in the water that splashed on the farm truck that was driving by at the time of the fall). Cheers, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alan To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 11:39:12 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone? Hello Listers, I have a good question I was doing some searching around on the net today and I came across an article called THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS BY John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas With in the article it was stated that the meteorite plunged into a swimming pool feed by natural spring water hence where the meteorite got its name. I have also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock pond. Now can these natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if so was the one on Gages ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas man made as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena Blanca Springs meteorite be a HAMMER STONE? Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ pond could be man made is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below normal level to recover some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a pool/pond there has to be some construction implemented in order to achieve that? Down below is some points taken from the article and also a link to the whole article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what you think. Abstract The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the point of fall, and one person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting incidents were accurately reported. As far as known, man has never constructed a device in which to trap a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly he could not have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite with a violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The meteorite is named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and which is an historic landmark in the region. http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases I have read swimming pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word can be subjective. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone?????
Shawn, what I got from the discussion about hammers on this list several months ago, since there is no 'official' term or definition, a hammer can be nearly anything you want it to be. Basically a hammer is a meteorite that strikes a man-made object. But then again, only certain man-made objects, depending on who you are and how you want ot use the term. A dirt road? Man-made, but most here reject that as a man-made object for this purpose. Same goes for if it lands in a field of grain or even just a pasture that was cleared from woodland. Obviously all these are man made objects, but also rejected for this purpose... By some at least. The pond/swimming pool/reservoir, whatever you want to call it is by definition a man made object, so yes PBS can be rightly called a hammer if you wish. Just don't expect anyone, other than me to agree with you. BTW, I'm not intending to be a grenade thrower here, just spouting my own personal opinion. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Frank Cressy wrote: > From: Frank Cressy > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer > stone? > To: "Shawn Alan" , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 12:27 PM > Shawn and all, > > The "swimming pool" quote is used in the abstract. Later > in the article the > "swimming pool" is described thusly: > > "Springs issue at a point where a water gap has been eroded > through the ridge > and form a creek which flows southeast. About 400 feet > below the springs, the > creek is confined by a dam 4 feet high. At the head of > the pool the water is > about 10 feet in depth and 20 feet wide." > > > The "swimming pool" is the pool made by damming the creek, > no doubt for > irrigation and/or supplying water for livestock. A photo > of the pool is in the > May 2000 issue of Meteorite magazine in an article about > PBS. The only man-made > construction involved is the dam. So I'd say "no" to it > being a "hammer." ( > unless there was meteoritic material in the water that > splashed on the farm > truck that was driving by at the time of the fall). > > Cheers, > > Frank > > > > - Original Message > From: Shawn Alan > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 11:39:12 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite > a hammer stone? > > Hello Listers, > > I have a good question I was doing some searching around > on the net today and I > came across an article called > > > THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, > BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS > > BY > > John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas > > With in the article it was stated that the meteorite > plunged into a swimming > pool feed by natural spring water hence where the > meteorite got its name. I have > also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock > pond. Now can these > natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if so > was the one on Gages > ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster > County, Texas man made > as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena Blanca Springs > meteorite be a HAMMER > STONE? > > > Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ > pond could be man made > is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below > normal level to recover > some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a > pool/pond there has to be > some construction implemented in order to achieve that? > > > Down below is some points taken from the article and also a > link to the whole > article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what > you think. > > Abstract > The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in > the swimming pool at > the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in > Brewster County, Texas. > Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the > point of fall, and one > person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting > incidents were accurately > reported. > > As far as known, man has never constructed a device in > which to trap > a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly > he could not > have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of > the Gage > ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster > County, Texas. > This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring > meteorite with a > violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The > meteorite is > named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and > which is > an historic landmark in the region. > > http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf > > Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases > I have read swimming > pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word > can be subjective. > > > Shawn Alan > IMCA 1633 > eBaystore > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html > > > __ > Visit
[meteorite-list] We can't all be Mr Meteorite!
Hi all, The other day I found out I was mentioned in the new book “A Professor, a President, and a Meteor." http://www.amazon.com/Professor-President-Meteor-American-Science/dp/1616142243 When I asked my friend Mike Bandli if he had ever heard of the book he assured me he had, and even purchased and read it. Needless to say I gave him a hard time for not telling me I was mentioned - I couldn't believe he would read about me and not tell me! In an apparent effort to redeem our friendship he sent me the following link http://www.ocregister.com/articles/husband-296298-isn-meteorite.html Thanks Mike, P.S. We can't all me Mr Meteorite! -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone?????
List: I would say 'Yes' If a stone lands in a swimming pool (man made) it will sink and hit the bottom of the pool. Would it be a hammer if the pool were empty? What if a meteorite landed in a birdbath - a hammer? That's my gram's worth. Greg S. > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:39:12 -0700 > From: photoph...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone? > > Hello Listers, > > I have a good question I was doing some searching around on the net today and > I came across an article called > > THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, > BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS > > BY > > John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas > > With in the article it was stated that the meteorite plunged into a swimming > pool feed by natural spring water hence where the meteorite got its name. I > have also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock pond. Now can > these natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if so was the one > on Gages ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, > Texas man made as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena Blanca Springs > meteorite be a HAMMER STONE? > > Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ pond could be man > made is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below normal level to > recover some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a pool/pond there > has to be some construction implemented in order to achieve that? > > Down below is some points taken from the article and also a link to the whole > article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what you think. > > Abstract > The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in the swimming pool at > the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. > Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the point of fall, and > one person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting incidents were > accurately reported. > > As far as known, man has never constructed a device in which to trap > a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly he could not > have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage > ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. > This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite with a > violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The meteorite is > named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and which is > an historic landmark in the region. > > http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf > > Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases I have read > swimming pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word can be > subjective. > > Shawn Alan > IMCA 1633 > eBaystore > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone?????
Oops - I take it back. It is "not" a hammer If man moves dirt and changes it, it is still dirt and not man made. Sorry folks, Greg S. > CC: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > From: m...@meteoriteguy.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer > stone? > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:27:55 -0600 > To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com > > It is a dirt pond. Come on. > This is out of control. > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Thunder Stone wrote: > > > > > List: > > > > I would say 'Yes' > > > > If a stone lands in a swimming pool (man made) it will sink and hit the > > bottom of the pool. Would it be a hammer if the pool were empty? > > > > What if a meteorite landed in a birdbath - a hammer? > > > > That's my gram's worth. > > > > Greg S. > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:39:12 -0700 > >> From: photoph...@yahoo.com > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer > >> stone? > >> > >> Hello Listers, > >> > >> I have a good question I was doing some searching around on the net today > >> and I came across an article called > >> > >> THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, > >> BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS > >> > >> BY > >> > >> John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas > >> > >> With in the article it was stated that the meteorite plunged into a > >> swimming pool feed by natural spring water hence where the meteorite got > >> its name. I have also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock > >> pond. Now can these natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if > >> so was the one on Gages ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in > >> Brewster County, Texas man made as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena > >> Blanca Springs meteorite be a HAMMER STONE? > >> > >> Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ pond could be > >> man made is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below normal > >> level to recover some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a > >> pool/pond there has to be some construction implemented in order to > >> achieve that? > >> > >> Down below is some points taken from the article and also a link to the > >> whole article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what you > >> think. > >> > >> Abstract > >> The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in the swimming pool > >> at the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in Brewster County, > >> Texas. Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the point of > >> fall, and one person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting > >> incidents were accurately reported. > >> > >> As far as known, man has never constructed a device in which to trap > >> a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly he could not > >> have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage > >> ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. > >> This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite with a > >> violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The meteorite is > >> named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and which is > >> an historic landmark in the region. > >> > >> http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf > >> > >> Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases I have read > >> swimming pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word can be > >> subjective. > >> > >> Shawn Alan > >> IMCA 1633 > >> eBaystore > >> http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone?????
LOL I know whats next, a meteorite hitting a hay stack from the Forest City meteorite fall. But again who knows, maybe a fragment hit the dam, that was man made depending what ist made of :), But again I do enjoy the history meteorites present to meteorite collectors and how these events mold our history.I can tell you this, the story of the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fall is a good one and having being recovered from a natural springs pool is a feat of its own and the majority of the recovery was done by Mr. O. E. Monnig. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html --- On Fri, 4/15/11, meteoriteguy.com wrote: From: meteoriteguy.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone? To: "Thunder Stone" Cc: "" , "" Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 3:27 PM It is a dirt pond. Come on. This is out of control. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Thunder Stone wrote: > > List: > > I would say 'Yes' > > If a stone lands in a swimming pool (man made) it will sink and hit the > bottom of the pool. Would it be a hammer if the pool were empty? > > What if a meteorite landed in a birdbath - a hammer? > > That's my gram's worth. > > Greg S. > > > > >> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:39:12 -0700 >> From: photoph...@yahoo.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer >> stone? >> >> Hello Listers, >> >> I have a good question I was doing some searching around on the net today >> and I came across an article called >> >> THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, >> BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS >> >> BY >> >> John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas >> >> With in the article it was stated that the meteorite plunged into a swimming >> pool feed by natural spring water hence where the meteorite got its name. I >> have also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock pond. Now can >> these natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if so was the one >> on Gages ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, >> Texas man made as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena Blanca Springs >> meteorite be a HAMMER STONE? >> >> Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ pond could be man >> made is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below normal level to >> recover some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a pool/pond there >> has to be some construction implemented in order to achieve that? >> >> Down below is some points taken from the article and also a link to the >> whole article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what you think. >> >> Abstract >> The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in the swimming pool >> at the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in Brewster County, >> Texas. Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the point of >> fall, and one person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting incidents >> were accurately reported. >> >> As far as known, man has never constructed a device in which to trap >> a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly he could not >> have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage >> ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. >> This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite with a >> violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The meteorite is >> named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and which is >> an historic landmark in the region. >> >> http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf >> >> Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases I have read >> swimming pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word can be >> subjective. >> >> Shawn Alan >> IMCA 1633 >> eBaystore >> http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammerstone?????
Hi Frank, Shawn and all, I believe that Nininger described this fall in one of his books. It was described as a stock pond. Ranch hands were having a picnic lunch when the fall occured hitting the water and splashing the ranch hands. Two of the men dove down and recovered it shortly. It had split into halfs. Pena Blanca IS water solibal and would have disolved if it handn't been immediately recovered. Haag told me that they used an oil to cut with and then the oil has to be pull out of the material somehow. It has a slight smell because of that. So If the meteoroid upon impact of the water splashes the ranch hands, no doubt (if you want to be technical ), some particles of the meteorite would have been in the water that splash the ranch hands does that qualify as a hammer stone? I'll leave that to the hammer stone experts. Another log of the fire. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites - Original Message - From: "Frank Cressy" To: "Shawn Alan" ; Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammerstone? Shawn and all, The "swimming pool" quote is used in the abstract. Later in the article the "swimming pool" is described thusly: "Springs issue at a point where a water gap has been eroded through the ridge and form a creek which flows southeast. About 400 feet below the springs, the creek is confined by a dam 4 feet high. At the head of the pool the water is about 10 feet in depth and 20 feet wide." The "swimming pool" is the pool made by damming the creek, no doubt for irrigation and/or supplying water for livestock. A photo of the pool is in the May 2000 issue of Meteorite magazine in an article about PBS. The only man-made construction involved is the dam. So I'd say "no" to it being a "hammer." ( unless there was meteoritic material in the water that splashed on the farm truck that was driving by at the time of the fall). Cheers, Frank - Original Message From: Shawn Alan To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 15, 2011 11:39:12 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone? Hello Listers, I have a good question I was doing some searching around on the net today and I came across an article called THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS BY John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas With in the article it was stated that the meteorite plunged into a swimming pool feed by natural spring water hence where the meteorite got its name. I have also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock pond. Now can these natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if so was the one on Gages ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas man made as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena Blanca Springs meteorite be a HAMMER STONE? Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ pond could be man made is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below normal level to recover some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a pool/pond there has to be some construction implemented in order to achieve that? Down below is some points taken from the article and also a link to the whole article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what you think. Abstract The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the point of fall, and one person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting incidents were accurately reported. As far as known, man has never constructed a device in which to trap a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly he could not have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite with a violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The meteorite is named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and which is an historic landmark in the region. http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases I have read swimming pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word can be subjective. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/me
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammerstone?????
Greetings, Sorry for the mis-spelled words. Forgot to spell check in my hasty post. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allende parent body?
Hi all - The work on magnetism in meteorite parent bodies is interesting, but I thought that Allende's parent body was cometary. If so, shouldn't the headline read: "Comets found to have hard centers"? Or is this part of NASA's plan to have comets declared to be asteroids? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oscar Turone
Hi all - Please excuse this bit of personal business. Hey Oscar, if you're here, would you add me to your list of safe email contacts? Ed __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - ebay: Stunning HED's, new Brachinite, new Ureilite, CK6(!), CK3, CV3, ...and more!...
Hello All, On ebay I'm selling now more stunning HEDs and several other rare meteorites: historic ones (Buy It Now), CCs, a puzzling new Brachinite and more... The auctions will end in about two days. Please have a look: http://shop.ebay.com/pema9/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg= Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747 Bern, Switzerland http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allende parent body?
There is no particularly good reason to think that Allende (or any other meteorite) is cometary in origin. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/15/2011 5:04 PM, E.P. Grondine wrote: Hi all - The work on magnetism in meteorite parent bodies is interesting, but I thought that Allende's parent body was cometary. If so, shouldn't the headline read: "Comets found to have hard centers"? Or is this part of NASA's plan to have comets declared to be asteroids? E.P. Grondine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Times April Issue Now Up
Hello Everyone, The April issue of Meteorite Times is now up. The following URL gives access to the Web Browser View, Flash Magazine View, and Mobile PDF. http://www.meteorite-times.com/monthly-issues/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Allende parent body?
*shameless plug* I've just added an article on Tunguska to my site: http://historicfalls.com/2011/04/15/tunguska/ I know it's a slight cheat, not actually being an actual witnessed fall, but hey... What's the current thinking on the status of the impactor? Comet or Asteroid? It goes without saying that IMHO, ET's zapping us from 61 Cygni is not the likeliest answer...! Marko On 16 Apr 2011, at 00:28, Chris Peterson wrote: > There is no particularly good reason to think that Allende (or any other > meteorite) is cometary in origin. > > Chris > > *** > Chris L Peterson > Cloudbait Observatory > http://www.cloudbait.com > > On 4/15/2011 5:04 PM, E.P. Grondine wrote: >> Hi all - >> >> The work on magnetism in meteorite parent bodies is interesting, but I >> thought that Allende's parent body was cometary. >> >> If so, shouldn't the headline read: "Comets found to have hard centers"? >> >> Or is this part of NASA's plan to have comets declared to be asteroids? >> >> E.P. Grondine > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon
Hello All, May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know. Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, as observed from Earth? Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility? John IMCA# 1896 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon
Hi John, Not quite sure what you mean... if the question is, 'less than 15 degrees apart in the sky, as observed from earth', then the answer is yes - every new moon. In some cases the angle is essentially zero - whenever there's a solar eclipse. M On 16 Apr 2011, at 02:09, John Lutzon wrote: > Hello All, > > May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know. > > Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, as > observed from Earth? > Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility? > > John > IMCA# 1896 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon
Hi: Yes they can be! I have seen them many times when the angle is more like .5 degree and less. Yes, a solar eclipse is one occasion when you cna see both in such proximity. As for the sun below the horizon and the moon above, new moon, the record les at somwhere between 10 to 12 degrees. Murray Paulson On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, John Lutzon wrote: > Hello All, > > May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know. > > Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, as > observed from Earth? > Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility? > > John > IMCA# 1896 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon
Duh... Don't know what i was thinking... Thanks "better than anyone you know" !!! - Original Message - From: "Murray Paulson" To: "John Lutzon" ; Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon Hi: Yes they can be! I have seen them many times when the angle is more like .5 degree and less. Yes, a solar eclipse is one occasion when you cna see both in such proximity. As for the sun below the horizon and the moon above, new moon, the record les at somwhere between 10 to 12 degrees. Murray Paulson On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, John Lutzon wrote: Hello All, May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know. Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, as observed from Earth? Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility? John IMCA# 1896 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon
P.S. No-one is to tell Jerry Armstrong that i asked this question--Promise. J - Original Message - From: "John Lutzon" To: "Murray Paulson" Cc: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon Duh... Don't know what i was thinking... Thanks "better than anyone you know" !!! - Original Message - From: "Murray Paulson" To: "John Lutzon" ; Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Sun/Moon Hi: Yes they can be! I have seen them many times when the angle is more like .5 degree and less. Yes, a solar eclipse is one occasion when you cna see both in such proximity. As for the sun below the horizon and the moon above, new moon, the record les at somwhere between 10 to 12 degrees. Murray Paulson On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, John Lutzon wrote: Hello All, May i ask a silly question? Answer, better than anyone you know. Well, will our Sun and Moon ever be <15 degrees apart from each other, as observed from Earth? Can this occurance be calculated or is it an impossibility? John IMCA# 1896 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer stone?????
It is a dirt pond. Come on. This is out of control. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2011, at 3:21 PM, Thunder Stone wrote: > > List: > > I would say 'Yes' > > If a stone lands in a swimming pool (man made) it will sink and hit the > bottom of the pool. Would it be a hammer if the pool were empty? > > What if a meteorite landed in a birdbath - a hammer? > > That's my gram's worth. > > Greg S. > > > > >> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 11:39:12 -0700 >> From: photoph...@yahoo.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Is Pena Blanca Springs meteorite a hammer >> stone? >> >> Hello Listers, >> >> I have a good question I was doing some searching around on the net today >> and I came across an article called >> >> THE PENA BLANCA SPRING METEORITE, >> BREWSTER COUNTY, TEXAS >> >> BY >> >> John T. Lonsdale University of Texas, Austin Texas >> >> With in the article it was stated that the meteorite plunged into a swimming >> pool feed by natural spring water hence where the meteorite got its name. I >> have also read this meteorite was recovered from a pond, stock pond. Now can >> these natural spring water swimming pools be man made and if so was the one >> on Gages ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, >> Texas man made as well? If thats the case wounldnt Pena Blanca Springs >> meteorite be a HAMMER STONE? >> >> Good indication that can suggest that this swimming pool/ pond could be man >> made is that after the pool was drained about 4 feet below normal level to >> recover some of the meteorite fragments. In order to drain a pool/pond there >> has to be some construction implemented in order to achieve that? >> >> Down below is some points taken from the article and also a link to the >> whole article. Please take a look and share your thoughts on what you think. >> >> Abstract >> The Pena Blanca Spring meteorite fell August 2, 1946, in the swimming pool >> at the headquarters of the Gage Ranch near Marathon in Brewster County, >> Texas. Twenty-four people were within a few hundred feet of the point of >> fall, and one person saw the meteorite in flight. Many interesting incidents >> were accurately reported. >> >> As far as known, man has never constructed a device in which to trap >> a meteorite falling to the earth. Had he done so, possibly he could not >> have improved upon the swimming pool at the headquarters of the Gage >> ranch about 9.5 miles southeast of Marathon in Brewster County, Texas. >> This swimming pool received the Pena Blanca Spring meteorite with a >> violent splash at about 1:20 p.u. on August 2, 1946. The meteorite is >> named from the spring which forms the swimming pool and which is >> an historic landmark in the region. >> >> http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf >> >> Lastly, why I brought this up is because in numerous cases I have read >> swimming pool and swimming pool means man made. But again the word can be >> subjective. >> >> Shawn Alan >> IMCA 1633 >> eBaystore >> http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Concerns for the Meteorite Dealers, Collectors and the Scientific Community
Dear List, Over the last 20 months, I have incurred six figures in legal fees, much of which I still need to pay, and God only knows how many hours to defend myself in a court of law on these charges brought in a law suit by my former partner Phil Mani. I chose not to settle out of court but rather spend the extra money to go on to trial so I could clear my name about the lies that were told about me. Now, Mr. Sliz, who is close friend of the plaintiff in my case, is posting things totally out of context, some of which was not presented by the plaintiffs in the trail. Now Mr. Sliz, after a jury vindicated me, seems to want to try me all over again here on the list, using materials from the discovery portion of the case without affording me the opportunity as I had in the trial to object or respond to them. As for the King Estate ordeal, which the trial court did not permit to come into evidence, Sharon King received 100% of her money from the sale of all the meteorites from her late husband's collection. In fact, those of you on this list that bought meteorites from the King Estate that I brokered, you will remember that you made your checks out directly to "Sharon King," and then she paid me my commissions once she deposited your monies. What happened, was that when I was done selling off the collection, Mrs. King wanted to partner with me in investing in some OTHER meteorites, and so we agreed to buy a couple of meteorites, the most significant was the Monument Draw, Texas Acapulcoite directly from the finder. We had an agreement that as things were sold, she would be paid back the money she invested. Things didn't sell all that quickly, as much of the Monument Draw was traded to institutions in a longer drawn out process than a quick cash sale would have been. Then Mrs. King passed away, and her estranged step-children inherited her estate and as I understood, they required the full payback from me immediately. I wasn't able to do it immediately because the investment was all in meteorites at the time. They were required to file suit against me, we promptly reached a settlement which satisfied the probate court, and everyone was happy. It really wasn't a big deal. I think the settlement took all of about 20 minutes to reach. This settlement has been paid in full for quite some time now. Since I don't recall ever seeing Mr. Sliz at the trial, I assume he has gotten much of what he is saying second hand, as the trial records have not been made public yet. Of course Mr. Sliz is a very close friend of Mani, and as such has only heard Mani's perspective for several years, so I am sure he was shocked to find out that all the claims made by others, the jury found them not be truthful. No doubt he is bothered that his friend's reputation has now taken such a hard hit and he feels he has to come on here and try to defend him against the jury's verdict. Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ken Sliz Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:13:04 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Concerns for the Meteorite Dealers, Collectors and the Scientific Community Greetings to all in the "Meteorite Community". I would like to submit the following historical data along with my observations and opinions regarding Mr. Steve Arnold and the most recent revelations made during the civil trial in San Antonio, March 2011. Why, you should ask do I enter this turbulent arena? What are my qualifications for such involvement? The short answer is twofold: 1. I was involved with the Brenham Meteorite Company before it was legally formed. Phil Mani offered me a partnership/investor position while he and Steve Arnold were discussing the possibility of reworking the Brenham strewn field. I have watched the project/partnership from a bird's eye view, observing good and bad proceed from it. 2. Unknown to many folks, I am very involved with meteorites as demonstrated in the financial investment made in my collection. All specimens are complete slices, complete meteorites or end cuts. The few experts that have viewed the collection have described it as "one of the finest aesthetic collections around." I can emphatically say that I am a stakeholder/shareholder in "the meteorite world." Recent Events: In my opinion, the most important facts to emerge from the recent legal proceedings between Arnold and Mani can be found in the documents entered into the court record. Anyone can access the complete documents at the Bexar County Courthouse, as they are in the public record. I will refer to each document by exhibit number. One of the most revealing documents concerning Arnolds M.O. is exhibit #419. It is an email from Arnold to Notkin on 2-19-2006. Please note that at the time of writing, Arnold and his family were receiving mo
[meteorite-list] Monthly Website Updates are now up! Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
Hi List. My monthly updates to my website are now finished and put up. The "A Flash from the Past Photo of the Month" is of the 1966 Greatest Meteor Shower in human history. The "Black Hole Mystery Video of the Month" is up! I can't tell you about it because then it would not be a mystery! Guarantee you will find it very interesting. Last...my "Image of the Month 1" is a beautiful photo of the Planet Mercury from the space probe Messenger taken in March of this year. "Image of the Month 2" is a beautiful picture and angle of the Willamette Meteorite. Click the images to read about them. My "Time Out" page as some new games to challenge your self...a baseball game and air hockey game! Just click or copy n paste my Website link below. Enjoy. Thank you. Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html IMCA #0960 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
