[meteorite-list] Currently used classification scheme - Divisions

2011-06-21 Thread Shawn Alan
Hello Jim and Listers

While we are on the topic of meteorite classification here is some historical 
information about classification of meteorites.


De Drée, 1803: The First Meteorite Classification
 
De Drée took a great interest in meteorites and
immediately began to work out a classification of them based
chiefly on their materials, as reported by Howard and
Vauquelin, and the circumstances of their falls. He
distinguished the following four classes (de Drée 1803b:410):
   Class I: Stones consisting of similar materials that fell in
serene weather without thunderstorms: Salles, Ensisheim,
Barbotan, Benares, Wold Cottage.
   Class II: Stones of the same materials as class I but which
fell from enflamed clouds with lightning flashes with or
without detonations: Siena, Tabor.
   Class III: Masses mainly of malleable iron, of which the
only observed fall occurred at Agram in Croatia after a
fireball and an explosion followed by rumbling sounds.
   Class IV: All masses for which the circumstances of fall
are not verified and their compositions fall outside those of
the first three classes or are uncertain: his list of about 20
included the irons found in Siberia, Argentina, and Senegal;
stones from observed falls including Lucé, Eichstädt, and
Portugal, and about a dozen historical accounts taken mainly
from Chladni.
 
De Drée’s attempt illustrates the importance given at that
early time to the circumstances of falls as though they might
have genetic significance. It also shows the immensity of the
labors that lay ahead in efforts to understand meteorites and
construct meaningful classifications of them.

Source: Ernst Florens Friedrich Chladni (1756–1827) and the origins
of modern meteorite research by Ursula B. MARVIN

I wondering if the Dawn project will shed new light on classification of 
meteorites from Vesta or in general?


Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
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[meteorite-list] Currently used classification scheme - DivisionsJim Wooddell 
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Hi all, 

I am looking for some information in regards to the Division of 
Meteorites in the currently used classification scheme. 

It is my understanding that there are currently 3 divisions that all 
meteorites fall underor at least at one time there were three. 
Chondrites, Primitive Achondrites and Achondrites. 

1. Referencing Weisberg et al: Systematics and Evaluation of 
Meteorite Classification, has there been any divisions added since 
this document was printed? Are there still only 3 divisions? 

2. Is there a more up to date schema or diagram which supersedes the 
document above? I know there are changes in the IAB complex groups 
and grouplets, referencing a document by Wasson accepted in 2002, are 
there other changes? 

Thank you for any info on this. 

Kind Regards 

Jim Wooddell 





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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - June 21, 2011

2011-06-21 Thread Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/June_21_2011.html
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[meteorite-list] Norway Daytime Meteor 21JUN2011

2011-06-21 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,  We may be in a major meteor storm that was missed due to lunar 
phase (full moon) obstructing telescopic observation?
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/rsta-norway-daytime-bolide-meteor.html

Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] European Cargo Ship Departs International Space Station for Earth Reentry

2011-06-21 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1106/20atvundocking/

European cargo ship departs International Space Station
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
June 20, 2011

After delivering more than 5,000 pounds of cargo, fuel and oxygen, a
European automated resupply freighter undocked from the International
Space Station on Monday and headed for a destructive plunge back into
the atmosphere.
 
The Automated Transfer Vehicle, christened Johannes Kepler after the
German astronomer and mathematician, separated from the complex at 1446
GMT (10:46 a.m. EDT). One minute later, after backing away from the
station's Zvezda service module, the ATV fired thrusters to accelerate
its departure.

The ship is carrying more than 2,600 pounds of trash for the re-entry.
Almost all the spacecraft will burn up in the atmosphere, but the
hardiest components could survive to impact the Pacific Ocean.

Two engine burns are on tap Tuesday to lower the craft's orbit. The ATV
will dive back into the atmosphere at 2024 GMT (4:24 p.m. EDT) and its
remnants will reach the surface about 2059 GMT (4:59 p.m. EDT),
according to the European Space Agency.

A data recorder strapped to the spacecraft will record the ATV's final
moments, capturing information on temperatures, accelerations and tumble
rates as the ship breaks apart in the atmosphere.

Designed and built by the Aerospace Corp., the Re-entry Breakup
Recorder, or REBR, is protected inside its own heat shield to survive
the scorching environment. It will transmit the data via satellite back
to engineers in the United States before hitting the ocean and sinking.

Officials believe data collected by the REBR device will yield insights
into how spacecraft end their lives during re-entry. A similar unit was
stored inside a Japanese cargo freighter on its trip back into the
atmosphere in March.

The ATV's last duty before leaving the space station was boosting the
lab's orbit by 35 kilometers, or about 22 miles. The spacecraft fired
its thrusters over three days between June 12 and June 17 to raise the
station's orbit.

The complex is now circling the planet at an average altitude of 237
miles, higher than the space station has ever flown before. The reboosts
were conceived to place the lab higher above the drag effects of Earth's
atmosphere.

Although the atmosphere at the station's orbit is almost non-existent,
there is enough air resistance to gradually slow the lab's velocity and
cause it to drop altitude. After the reboosts, engineers say the station
will need fewer correction maneuveers to maintain its orbit, so future
cargo vehicles could deliver more experiments and spare parts instead of
refueling propellant.

The space station flew at a lower altitude during construction to allow
visiting space shuttles to deliver more gear and heavier modules to the
outpost. With the shuttle's retirement looming, there's no longer a need
to keep the station's orbit lower.

The higher orbit will cut the station's annual fuel usage nearly in
half, according to ESA.

The Johannes Kepler spacecraft launched Feb. 16 and reached the space
station Feb. 24. It stayed docked to the lab for 116 days.

Built by EADS Astrium, the ATV measures 32 feet long and nearly 15 feet
wide. Its four solar array wings stretch more than 70 feet across. Four
main engines and 20 smaller thrusters guide spacecraft in orbit.

The Johannes Kepler mission, the ATV's second flight, hauled about 3,500
pounds of dry cargo in its pressurized cabin. Astronauts manually
unloaded that equipment during the craft's stay.

The spacecraft also carried refueling propellant and oxygen to replenish
the station's tanks.

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[meteorite-list] AD - Special Auctions - 54 Items Ending Today!

2011-06-21 Thread Adam Hupe
Dear List Members,
 
I have several different types of auctions going at once. 
 
Today, I have 54 auctions ending.  All were started at just 99 cents with  no 
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these will more than likely sell way below wholesale.  Please take a look if 
you  
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almost every piece sold way below my costs and my cost are lower than what can 
be had these days out of Morocco.
 
Monday, I have some more serious pieces ending.  Again, all were started at  
just 99 cents with no reserve. In this patch, you will find some larger 
planetary  specimens and some old stock I haven't sold for a while.
 
Finally, I have some buy-it-now pieces with make offer option enabled.   There 
are some outstanding Sikhote Alins, some oriented while others have holes.  I 
can not begin to explain how hard it is to find this quality these  days. 
 
Please take a look if you can spare a few moments.
 
Link to all auctions:
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Thank  you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best  Regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Currently used classification scheme - Divisions

2011-06-21 Thread Jim Wooddell
Thank you for this, Shawn.  My references were from the work Rose did
in the 1860's and forward.  I think the current schema follows this
somewhat as Weisberg points out.


I think maybe not enough is known to classify at the higher division
levels, thus the disagreements and the lack of unity at these levels
and unwillingness to change???  It appears at lower levels, documents
all around tend to speak the same language and have commonality.  In
part of my working life, commonality and correct terminology could
have meant the difference between life and death in a matter of a few
secondswhich has made me very critical when I do not see it.

Classification must remain fluid and not get stuck on the journey.
The work on the IAB-complex meteorites, it's groups and grouplets,
etc., for example, need to be represented in new systematic diagrams
that I have yet to see in any documentation, not that I've read them
all, I am sure.  I'd sure love to see one I could hang on my wall!  I
find this sort of diagram a value added asset while I study
meteorites.

I hope Dawn is the being of a new era in classification.  And it is
becoming to be very exciting to watch what happens as Dawn approaches!
 Simply awesome.
Wouldn't it be nice to land, drill and retrieve a deep core sample!

Back to honey-do's

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell


On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Shawn Alan  wrote:
> Hello Jim and Listers
>
> While we are on the topic of meteorite classification here is some historical 
> information about classification of meteorites.
>
>
> De Drée, 1803: The First Meteorite Classification
>
> De Drée took a great interest in meteorites and
> immediately began to work out a classification of them based
> chiefly on their materials, as reported by Howard and
> Vauquelin, and the circumstances of their falls. He
> distinguished the following four classes (de Drée 1803b:410):
>   Class I: Stones consisting of similar materials that fell in
> serene weather without thunderstorms: Salles, Ensisheim,
> Barbotan, Benares, Wold Cottage.
>   Class II: Stones of the same materials as class I but which
> fell from enflamed clouds with lightning flashes with or
> without detonations: Siena, Tabor.
>   Class III: Masses mainly of malleable iron, of which the
> only observed fall occurred at Agram in Croatia after a
> fireball and an explosion followed by rumbling sounds.
>   Class IV: All masses for which the circumstances of fall
> are not verified and their compositions fall outside those of
> the first three classes or are uncertain: his list of about 20
> included the irons found in Siberia, Argentina, and Senegal;
> stones from observed falls including Lucé, Eichstädt, and
> Portugal, and about a dozen historical accounts taken mainly
> from Chladni.
>
> De Drée’s attempt illustrates the importance given at that
> early time to the circumstances of falls as though they might
> have genetic significance. It also shows the immensity of the
> labors that lay ahead in efforts to understand meteorites and
> construct meaningful classifications of them.
>
> Source: Ernst Florens Friedrich Chladni (1756–1827) and the origins
> of modern meteorite research by Ursula B. MARVIN
>
> I wondering if the Dawn project will shed new light on classification of 
> meteorites from Vesta or in general?
>
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> eBaystore
> http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html
>
>
>
> [meteorite-list] Currently used classification scheme - DivisionsJim Wooddell 
> jimwooddell at gmail.com
> Mon Jun 20 20:39:50 EDT 2011
>
>
> Previous message: [meteorite-list] Cassini Captures Ice Queen Helene
> Next message: [meteorite-list] Currently used classification scheme - 
> Divisions
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>
> Hi all,
>
> I am looking for some information in regards to the Division of
> Meteorites in the currently used classification scheme.
>
> It is my understanding that there are currently 3 divisions that all
> meteorites fall underor at least at one time there were three.
> Chondrites, Primitive Achondrites and Achondrites.
>
> 1. Referencing Weisberg et al: Systematics and Evaluation of
> Meteorite Classification, has there been any divisions added since
> this document was printed? Are there still only 3 divisions?
>
> 2. Is there a more up to date schema or diagram which supersedes the
> document above? I know there are changes in the IAB complex groups
> and grouplets, referencing a document by Wasson accepted in 2002, are
> there other changes?
>
> Thank you for any info on this.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Jim Wooddell
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Currently used classification scheme - Divisions

2011-06-21 Thread Zelimir . Gabelica

Hi Jim, Shawn, all

We had last Saturday in Ensisheim (meteorite show) a nice talk about  
the Dawn mission. It was entitled:

"Vesta,Vestoids and HEDS: Waiting for Dawn."

It dealt with various issues, among which relationships between HED's  
and Vesta, but also (and mainly) other Vestoids.


Perhaps you may want to contact our speaker, Vishnu Reddy (PhD &  
research faculty at the Department of Space Studies, University of  
North Dakota, presently member of the Dawn Framing Camera team at the  
Max-Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Germany).


His research interests include compositional study of asteroids and  
asteroid-meteorite links, and, in particular, studying the composition  
of the surface of Vesta.


Vishnu is the (very kind end expertized) person who might want to tell  
you more.


I can provide his direct mail contact on request, off list.
For general info on the Dawn mission and Vishnu's involvements, click  
here and follow the links:


http://www.dawn.mps.mpg.de/index.php?id=21&L=1

Kind regards,

Zelimir



Jim Wooddell  a écrit :


Thank you for this, Shawn.  My references were from the work Rose did
in the 1860's and forward.  I think the current schema follows this
somewhat as Weisberg points out.


I think maybe not enough is known to classify at the higher division
levels, thus the disagreements and the lack of unity at these levels
and unwillingness to change???  It appears at lower levels, documents
all around tend to speak the same language and have commonality.  In
part of my working life, commonality and correct terminology could
have meant the difference between life and death in a matter of a few
secondswhich has made me very critical when I do not see it.

Classification must remain fluid and not get stuck on the journey.
The work on the IAB-complex meteorites, it's groups and grouplets,
etc., for example, need to be represented in new systematic diagrams
that I have yet to see in any documentation, not that I've read them
all, I am sure.  I'd sure love to see one I could hang on my wall!  I
find this sort of diagram a value added asset while I study
meteorites.

I hope Dawn is the being of a new era in classification.  And it is
becoming to be very exciting to watch what happens as Dawn approaches!
 Simply awesome.
Wouldn't it be nice to land, drill and retrieve a deep core sample!

Back to honey-do's

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell


On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Shawn Alan  wrote:

Hello Jim and Listers

While we are on the topic of meteorite classification here is some  
historical information about classification of meteorites.



De Drée, 1803: The First Meteorite Classification

De Drée took a great interest in meteorites and
immediately began to work out a classification of them based
chiefly on their materials, as reported by Howard and
Vauquelin, and the circumstances of their falls. He
distinguished the following four classes (de Drée 1803b:410):
  Class I: Stones consisting of similar materials that fell in
serene weather without thunderstorms: Salles, Ensisheim,
Barbotan, Benares, Wold Cottage.
  Class II: Stones of the same materials as class I but which
fell from enflamed clouds with lightning flashes with or
without detonations: Siena, Tabor.
  Class III: Masses mainly of malleable iron, of which the
only observed fall occurred at Agram in Croatia after a
fireball and an explosion followed by rumbling sounds.
  Class IV: All masses for which the circumstances of fall
are not verified and their compositions fall outside those of
the first three classes or are uncertain: his list of about 20
included the irons found in Siberia, Argentina, and Senegal;
stones from observed falls including Lucé, Eichstädt, and
Portugal, and about a dozen historical accounts taken mainly
from Chladni.

De Drée’s attempt illustrates the importance given at that
early time to the circumstances of falls as though they might
have genetic significance. It also shows the immensity of the
labors that lay ahead in efforts to understand meteorites and
construct meaningful classifications of them.

Source: Ernst Florens Friedrich Chladni (1756–1827) and the origins
of modern meteorite research by Ursula B. MARVIN

I wondering if the Dawn project will shed new light on  
classification of meteorites from Vesta or in general?



Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
eBaystore
http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html



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DivisionsJim Wooddell jimwooddell at gmail.com

Mon Jun 20 20:39:50 EDT 2011


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Hi all,

I am looking for some information in regards to the Division of
Meteorites in the currently used classification scheme.

It is my understanding that there are currently 3 divisions that all
meteorites fall underor at l

[meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites

2011-06-21 Thread Pete Pete


http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/

http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/

 

"Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars 


Sam Biddle—Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant business 
card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception—except it looks like an 
astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite 
impact." Snip  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites

2011-06-21 Thread Jan Bartels


Cool isn't it?
I was asked by the owner if I could get them a 100 kilo Campo.
This one is placed in a position in the building where the sun will shine 
through a tube like construction on the meteorite exactly on the moment the 
astronomical summer begins. How cool is that?


Best,
Jan
IMCA #9833
Holland


- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Pete" 

To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites




http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/

http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/



"Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars


Sam Biddle—Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant business 
card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception—except it looks like an 
astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite 
impact." Snip

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Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites

2011-06-21 Thread Pete Pete

VERY cool!

It is right that meteorites inspire people! ;)

 

I have a plan that if I ever win a lottery, I'll score all the biggest Campo's 
and S/A's on the market and have a room with them suspended from the ceiling 
and on pedestals of varying heights.

...Then dim the lights for the laser planetarium show...

 

 

Cheers,

Pete







> From: meteori...@online.nl
> To: rsvp...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 19:22:30 +0200
>
>
> Cool isn't it?
> I was asked by the owner if I could get them a 100 kilo Campo.
> This one is placed in a position in the building where the sun will shine
> through a tube like construction on the meteorite exactly on the moment the
> astronomical summer begins. How cool is that?
>
> Best,
> Jan
> IMCA #9833
> Holland
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Pete Pete" 
> To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
>
>
>
>
> http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/
>
> http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/
>
>
>
> "Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars
>
>
> Sam Biddle—Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant business
> card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception—except it looks like an
> astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite
> impact." Snip
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Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites

2011-06-21 Thread Matthias Bärmann


That's pretty cool indeed, Jan. Is the Campo already there? I couldn't find 
it on the photos.


Btw. such kind of light performance was well known to the anonymous 
architects of the medieval cathedrals:


"One of the oldest Gothic cathedrals in France is Chartres cathedral. This 
cathedral is aligned to the summer solstice. On the summer solstice the Sun 
shines through the window of ‘Saint Apollinaire’ with a depiction of the 
Roman sun god Apollo and its rays fall straight on an iron nail in the floor 
of the cathedral."
(see 
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/The%20mystery%20of%20the%20Cathedrals.html , 
with photo)


Best,
Matthias


- Original Message - 
From: "Jan Bartels" 
To: "Pete Pete" ; "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 


Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites



Cool isn't it?
I was asked by the owner if I could get them a 100 kilo Campo.
This one is placed in a position in the building where the sun will shine
through a tube like construction on the meteorite exactly on the moment the
astronomical summer begins. How cool is that?

Best,
Jan
IMCA #9833
Holland


- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Pete" 

To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites




http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/

http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/



"Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars


Sam Biddle—Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant business
card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception—except it looks like an
astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite
impact." Snip
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Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites

2011-06-21 Thread John Hendry
The light capturing alignment of buildings is even older than that.
Newgrange springs to mind as an obvious neolithic example (winter solstice)
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/irelandnewgrange.htm

There's also the star shafts in the great pyramid, and the stair serpent
at Chichen Itza (spring equinox). There's a lot more besides.

John



On 21/06/2011 12:52, "Matthias Bärmann"  wrote:

>
>That's pretty cool indeed, Jan. Is the Campo already there? I couldn't
>find 
>it on the photos.
>
>Btw. such kind of light performance was well known to the anonymous
>architects of the medieval cathedrals:
>
>"One of the oldest Gothic cathedrals in France is Chartres cathedral.
>This 
>cathedral is aligned to the summer solstice. On the summer solstice the
>Sun 
>shines through the window of ŒSaint Apollinaire¹ with a depiction of the
>Roman sun god Apollo and its rays fall straight on an iron nail in the
>floor 
>of the cathedral."
>(see 
>http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/The%20mystery%20of%20the%20Cathedrals.html
> , 
>with photo)
>
>Best,
>Matthias
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Jan Bartels" 
>To: "Pete Pete" ; "meteoritelist meteoritelist"
>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
>
>
>
>Cool isn't it?
>I was asked by the owner if I could get them a 100 kilo Campo.
>This one is placed in a position in the building where the sun will shine
>through a tube like construction on the meteorite exactly on the moment
>the
>astronomical summer begins. How cool is that?
>
>Best,
>Jan
>IMCA #9833
>Holland
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Pete Pete" 
>To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 
>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 PM
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites
>
>
>
>
>http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-in
>bo-architects/
>
>http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-in
>bo-architects/
>
>
>
>"Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars
>
>
>Sam Biddle‹Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant
>business
>card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception‹except it looks like an
>astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite
>impact." Snip
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Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites

2011-06-21 Thread Jan Bartels
Well I was invited on the grand opening today but unfortunatly couldn't make 
it.

The Campo is there indeed but I can't really say where they placed it.
Funny thing is they called me last week for advise.. They wanted the 
Campo shine like silver when the sunbeams would hit it and asked me how to 
make it look like as shiny as possible. Of course I strongly advised them to 
keep it as natural as possibledoubt it if they did :-)
I'm going to visit them shortly and hopefully they didn't torture the poor 
thing too much...


Best,
Jan

- Original Message - 
From: "Matthias Bärmann" 
To: "Jan Bartels" ; "Pete Pete" ; 
"meteoritelist meteoritelist" 

Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites




That's pretty cool indeed, Jan. Is the Campo already there? I couldn't 
find it on the photos.


Btw. such kind of light performance was well known to the anonymous 
architects of the medieval cathedrals:


"One of the oldest Gothic cathedrals in France is Chartres cathedral. This 
cathedral is aligned to the summer solstice. On the summer solstice the 
Sun shines through the window of ‘Saint Apollinaire’ with a depiction of 
the Roman sun god Apollo and its rays fall straight on an iron nail in the 
floor of the cathedral."
(see 
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/The%20mystery%20of%20the%20Cathedrals.html 
, with photo)


Best,
Matthias


- Original Message - 
From: "Jan Bartels" 
To: "Pete Pete" ; "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 


Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites



Cool isn't it?
I was asked by the owner if I could get them a 100 kilo Campo.
This one is placed in a position in the building where the sun will shine
through a tube like construction on the meteorite exactly on the moment 
the

astronomical summer begins. How cool is that?

Best,
Jan
IMCA #9833
Holland


- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Pete" 

To: "meteoritelist meteoritelist" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Building Inspired by Meteorites




http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/

http://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/21/decos-technology-group-headquarters-by-inbo-architects/



"Dutch Building Looks Like It Landed on the Surface of Mars


Sam Biddle—Architecture firms tend to use their offices as a giant 
business

card they can work inside. Decos' is no exception—except it looks like an
astronaut base, not a Dutch headquarters. Their inspiration? A meteorite
impact." Snip
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[meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France

2011-06-21 Thread Mirko Graul
Dear list members,

just back from the Ensisheim show.
Here the links to the 7 photo pages on my website.
I hope you enjoy the photos.

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f09109c603/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dc524/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dd630/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e4f3d/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e534a/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e5957/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f091159471/index.php


Best regards, Mirko



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GERMANY 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France

2011-06-21 Thread Pete Pete

Great pics, Mirko!

Judging from the photos, it was the perfect time to be in France.

 

How was the market?

Did you notice a change in customer volume?

In vendors? 

Prices?

Bulk of NWA's?

 

I've never sold a meteorite (bought lots, though!) but I think it would be 
valuable information to hear how the market is holding up these days, there and 
with the last Tuscon exhibits.

 

Cheers,

Pete







> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:37:05 +0100
> From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France
>
> Dear list members,
>
> just back from the Ensisheim show.
> Here the links to the 7 photo pages on my website.
> I hope you enjoy the photos.
>
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f09109c603/index.php
>
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dc524/index.php
>
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dd630/index.php
>
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e4f3d/index.php
>
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e534a/index.php
>
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e5957/index.php
>
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f091159471/index.php
>
>
> Best regards, Mirko
>
>
>
> Mirko Graul Meteorite
> Quittenring.4
> 16321 Bernau
> GERMANY
>
> Phone: 0049-1724105015
> E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de
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[meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2011

2011-06-21 Thread Peter Marmet
Hi All,

here are only a few picts...I was too busy selling meteorites! ;-)

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id55.html

Cheers,
Peter

Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland
http://www.thinsections.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France

2011-06-21 Thread Marcin Cimala

Hi Pete and List
Let me answer You and share some of my "behind the table" observations.

I missed friday becouse of some serious car problems and arrive to Ensisheim 
at 10PM what never happend before.
I feel, that I sold less than last year but I sold more what was for me a 
little surprize. In fact the whole show looks slow Some tables was 
empty, some dealers  missing. Not many spectacular news on tables. Except 
Greg's achondrite that was very exciting meteorite and very beautifull and 
my new hammer stone Soltmany. But in fact I have no time to see every dark 
place in Palace so maybe I missed something.


Moroccans have more earth stones on tables than Regency Palace have in 
walls. I personally save two of my friends from buying interesting looking 
rocks for some hundreds of euro.


One of the optimistic information I can mention is a perfect weather this 
year. Sunny but not hot.
I cant wait for Munich 2011 where I have more time to look for stones and 
speak with friends.


MC Hammer
:D






Great pics, Mirko!

Judging from the photos, it was the perfect time to be in France.



How was the market?

Did you notice a change in customer volume?

In vendors?

Prices?

Bulk of NWA's?



I've never sold a meteorite (bought lots, though!) but I think it would be 
valuable information to hear how the market is holding up these days, 
there and with the last Tuscon exhibits.




Cheers,

Pete








Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:37:05 +0100
From: m_gr...@yahoo.de
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France

Dear list members,

just back from the Ensisheim show.
Here the links to the 7 photo pages on my website.
I hope you enjoy the photos.

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f09109c603/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dc524/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dd630/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e4f3d/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e534a/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e5957/index.php

http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f091159471/index.php


Best regards, Mirko



Mirko Graul Meteorite
Quittenring.4
16321 Bernau
GERMANY

Phone: 0049-1724105015
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Re: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France

2011-06-21 Thread Count Deiro
Thank you, Mirko
Guido

-Original Message-
>From: Mirko Graul 
>Sent: Jun 21, 2011 12:37 PM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France
>
>Dear list members,
>
>just back from the Ensisheim show.
>Here the links to the 7 photo pages on my website.
>I hope you enjoy the photos.
>
>http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f09109c603/index.php
>
>http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dc524/index.php
>
>http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dd630/index.php
>
>http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e4f3d/index.php
>
>http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e534a/index.php
>
>http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e5957/index.php
>
>http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f091159471/index.php
>
>
>Best regards, Mirko
>
>
>
>Mirko Graul Meteorite 
>Quittenring.4 
>16321 Bernau 
>GERMANY 
>
>Phone: 0049-1724105015 
>E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de 
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>
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>(International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) 
>
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[meteorite-list] Re : Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France

2011-06-21 Thread abdelfattah gharrad
Peter, Mirko, Thanks for sharing with us these nice pictures. hope things are 
better.
Abdelfattah.


--- En date de : Mar 21.6.11, Mirko Graul  a écrit :

> De: Mirko Graul 
> Objet: [meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France
> À: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Mardi 21 juin 2011, 20h37
> Dear list members,
> 
> just back from the Ensisheim show.
> Here the links to the 7 photo pages on my website.
> I hope you enjoy the photos.
> 
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f09109c603/index.php
> 
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dc524/index.php
> 
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910dd630/index.php
> 
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e4f3d/index.php
> 
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e534a/index.php
> 
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f0910e5957/index.php
> 
> http://www.meteorite-mirko.de/0334af993b0042c09/0334af9f091096e01/0334af9f091159471/index.php
> 
> 
> Best regards, Mirko
> 
>     
> 
> Mirko Graul Meteorite 
> Quittenring.4 
> 16321 Bernau 
> GERMANY 
> 
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[meteorite-list] Radar for Mars Gets Flight Tests at NASA Dryden (MSL)

2011-06-21 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-188  

Radar for Mars Gets Flight Tests at NASA Dryden
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
June 21, 2011

Southern California's high desert has been a stand-in for Mars for NASA
technology testing many times over the years. And so it is again, in a
series of flights by an F/A-18 aircraft to test the landing radar for
NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission.

The flight profile is designed to have the F/A-18 climb to 40,000 feet
(about 12,000 meters). From there, it makes a series of subsonic,
stair-step dives at angles of 40 to 90 degrees to simulate what the Mars
radar will see while the spacecraft is on a parachute descending through
the Martian atmosphere. The F/A-18 pulls out of each dive at 5,000 feet
(about 1,500 meters. Data collected by these flights will be used to
finesse the Mars landing radar software, to help ensure that it is
calibrated as accurately as possible.

The testing is a collaboration of NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center,
Edwards, Calif., with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
Earlier tests, with a helicopter carrying the test radar, simulated the
lower-altitude portion of the spacecraft's descent to the surface of
Mars. For more information about the F/A-18 tests, see
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/F-18_flying_msl_radar.html .

The Mars Science Laboratory mission's rover, named Curiosity, will be
shipped this month from JPL to NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida to
be readied for launch between Nov. 25 and Dec. 18, 2011. The spacecraft
will arrive at Mars in August 2012. After Curiosity lands on Mars,
researchers will use the rover's 10 science instruments during the
following two years to investigate whether the landing area has ever
offered environmental conditions favorable for microbial life.

JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena,
manages the Mars Science Laboratory Project for the NASA Science Mission
Directorate, Washington. More information about the mission is online
at: http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/ .

Guy Webster 818-354-6278
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov

2011-188

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[meteorite-list] NASA Details Achievements Of Lunar Spacecraft (LRO)

2011-06-21 Thread Ron Baalke


June 21, 2011

J.D. Harrington/Michael Braukus  
Headquarters, Washington  
202-358-5241/1979 
j.d.harring...@nasa.gov/michael.brau...@nasa.gov 

Nancy Neal Jones/Elizabeth Zubritsky 
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. 
301-286-0039/301-614-5438 
nancy.n.jo...@nasa.gov/elizabeth.a.zubrit...@nasa.gov   


RELEASE: 11-192

NASA DETAILS ACHIEVEMENTS OF LUNAR SPACECRAFT

WASHINGTON -- NASA has declared full mission success for the Lunar 
Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO). LRO changed our view of the entire moon 
and brought it into sharper focus with unprecedented detail. 

NASA's Exploration Systems Mission Directorate (ESMD) operated the LRO 
spacecraft and its instruments during the one-year mission phase. Now 
that the final data from the instruments have been added to the 
agency's Planetary Data System, the mission has completed the full 
success requirements. The data system, which is publicly available, 
archives data from past and present planetary missions as well as 
astronomical observations and laboratory data. 

The rich new portrait rendered by LRO's seven instruments is the 
result of more than 192 terabytes of data, images and maps, the 
equivalent of nearly 41,000 typical DVDs. 

"LRO is now in the very capable hands of NASA's Science Mission 
Directorate, with ongoing, near continuous acquisition of science 
data," said Douglas Cooke, associate administrator of ESMD at NASA 
Headquarters in Washington. "Exploration will be well served by the 
LRO science mission, just as the LRO exploration mission has 
benefited lunar science." 

The primary objective of the mission was to enable safe and effective 
exploration of the moon. "We needed to leverage the very best the 
science community had to offer," said Michael Wargo, chief lunar 
scientist of ESMD. "And by doing that, we've fundamentally changed 
our scientific understanding of the moon." 

The most precise and complete topographic maps to date of the moon's 
complex, heavily cratered landscape have been created from more than 
four billion measurements, which are still coming in, taken by LRO's 
Lunar Orbiter Laser Altimeter (LOLA). LOLA has taken more than 100 
times more measurements than all previous lunar instruments of its 
kind combined, opening up a world of possibilities for future 
exploration and for science. 

The Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera (LROC) revealed stunning 
details after imaging nearly 5.7 million square kilometers of the 
moon's surface during the mission's exploration phase. That is 
roughly the same amount of land as all contiguous states west of the 
Mississippi River. Though earlier missions also imaged the moon, what 
sets LROC apart is its ability to image with surface pixels that are 
only 1.5 feet in size, small enough to distinguish details never 
before possible. 

"With this resolution, LRO could easily spot a picnic table on the 
moon," said LRO's Project Scientist Richard Vondrak of NASA's Goddard 
Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. 

While studying the Hermite crater near the moon's north pole, LRO's 
Diviner Lunar Radiometer Experiment found the coldest spot in the 
solar system, with a temperature of minus 415 degrees Fahrenheit 
(minus 248 degrees Celsius or 25 kelvins). 

To further explore these regions, LRO's Lyman Alpha Mapping Project, 
which can "see" in the dark, is imaging the shaded areas, while 
LOLA's precise measurements map solar illumination. This work has 
provided new insight into the shadowed regions and also revealed 
areas that receive nearly continuous sun. Because sunlight itself is 
a resource on the moon, knowing there are areas that get sun for 
approximately 243 days a year and never have a period of total 
darkness for more than 24 hours is extremely valuable. 

Complementing those efforts are both the Lunar Exploration Neutron 
Detector (LEND) and the Miniature Radio Frequency advanced radar, 
which are searching for deposits of water ice. LEND also seeks 
hydrogen, which could be used potentially as fuel. LRO's Cosmic Ray 
Telescope for the Effects of Radiation is studying the lunar 
radiation environment, which is important to keep astronauts healthy 
and safe. 

LRO launched aboard an Atlas V rocket from Cape Canaveral, Fla., on 
June 18, 2009. 

The spacecraft was built and is managed by Goddard. For more 
information about LRO, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/LRO   

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[meteorite-list] Photos Enisisheim 2011 Meteorite Show - France

2011-06-21 Thread Tom Randall (KB2SMS)


Thank you Mirko for the great photos!

Regards,

 Tom



The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to  
listen. ~Tommy Smothers


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[meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated)

2011-06-21 Thread jason utas
Hello All,
For those who keep track of such things, I stumbled across an account
of a meteorite having fallen and killed a pig:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1939JRASC..33...51M
(scroll to bottom)

I looked in vain for the reference [E. Endukova, 1929], but it does
not appear to exist online.
Regards,
Jason
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated)

2011-06-21 Thread Dan Furlan
Hey Jason if you like reading "old" articles and books about
meteorites you might be interested in this item on ebay: 130343554207
i offered the guy 3 bucks and he accepted it.. thought maybe you would
be interested since the article you posted is almost 100 years old and
its interesting how they talk about meteorites in the old days before
the science was developed to properly classify them and describe them
etc...
Daniel Furlan
collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Pig-Killing Fall? (dated)

2011-06-21 Thread Dan Furlan
Jason,
dang i wish i had thought of that would of saved 3 bucks LOL but if
those books are available for free on google books then by all means i
would suggest copying the titles from the listing and downloading them
for free, that will save list members a few bucks that they can put
towards buying another meteorite for their collection :)
here are the titles of the books incase anybody wants to try and get
them for free from google books:

The Ward=Coonley Collection of Meteorites by Henry Augustus Ward -
1900 - 200 pages

A Chapter in the History of Meteorites by Walter Flight - 1887 - 224 pages

An Introduction to the Study of Meteorites: With a List of the
Meteorites ...  by Lazarus Fletcher - 1896 - 95 pages

Catalogue of the Ward Coonley Collection of Meteorites  Henry Augustus
Ward - 1904 - 113 pages

Comets and Meteors: Their Phenomena in All Ages; Their Mutual
Relations; and ...  by Daniel Kirkwood - 1873 - 97 pages

Essays on Astronomy: A Series of Papers on Planets and Meteors, the
Sun and ...  by Richard Anthony Proctor - 1872 - 401 pages

Meteoric Astronomy: A Treatise on Shooting-stars, Fire-balls, and
Aerolites  by Daniel Kirkwood - 1867 - 129 pages

Meteors, Aërolites, Storms, and Atmospheric Phenomena: From the French
of ...  by Frédéric Zurcher, Élie Margollé - 1886 - 324 pages

Meteors, Aerolites, and Falling Stars  by Thomas Lamb Phipson - 1867 - 240 pages

Notice of a mass of meteoric iron, found in the village of Newstead
...  by John Alexander Smith - 1862- 22 pages

Some Speculations in Regard to the Meteoric Matter in Space and Its
...  by W. P. More - 1897 - 19 pages

The Amana Meteorites of February 12, 1875  by Gustavus Detlef Hinrichs
- 1905 - 103 pages

Daniel Furlan
collector and dealer

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Jason Utas  wrote:
> Hello Daniel,
> Definitely -- I find that the Harvard adsabs site is a great source of
> older papers.
> I'm glad you made a lower offer on it; every single one of those books
> is available for free viewing and download on Google Books.  A few
> dollars for the convenience of having them on a CD is fine, but I'd
> make sure to let list-members know that they can download the files
> for free by searching for the titles on Google Books.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Dan Furlan  wrote:
>> Hey Jason if you like reading "old" articles and books about
>> meteorites you might be interested in this item on ebay: 130343554207
>> i offered the guy 3 bucks and he accepted it.. thought maybe you would
>> be interested since the article you posted is almost 100 years old and
>> its interesting how they talk about meteorites in the old days before
>> the science was developed to properly classify them and describe them
>> etc...
>> Daniel Furlan
>> collector and dealer
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