[meteorite-list] "sale" a pretty Taza for sale
Hello all i have a very nice Taza with a pretty shape weigh 530 g for sale email me privatly if you are interested regards -- Rachid Chaoui IMCA # 4157 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad : Loose Chondrule lots, Carbonado impact diamonds, Saratov, Oum Dreyga, Suizhou, Sudbury Black Onaping, more!
Greetings Listees and Collectors, I have a few new offerings this week, including some lots of loose chondrules that are very neat (list members will get a couple of bonus chondrules). For 20% off your entire order, use the coupon code "metlist" at checkout. If you have any problems with the coupon or checkout, contact me via email. First, there are Loose Chondrules - which are great for study because they are the building blocks of chondrite meteorites. These are nice little spheres of minerals that are unique to meteorites and are rarely offered in loose form. I only have a limited quantity of these chondrule micros. Loose Chondrule Lots - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/chondrules--lot-of-loose-meteorite-chondrules--rare Next, I have micromount samples of black carbonado impact diamonds from an ancient impact site in Brazil. These unusual extraterrestrial diamonds come in a labeled gemjar and include a copy of the astrophysics journal article explaining their origins. These are limited quantity also, so don't miss a chance to own some carbonados on the cheap. Black Carbonado Diamond Lots - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/carbonado-black-diamond-ancient-impact-artifact I also have new micromount samples of the following meteorites - Suizhou China, Saratov Russia, Oum Dreyga (Western Sahara) and more. Check this link to see all of the latest offerings - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new Lastly, I added some new small pieces of Saharan Fulgurites that are rich in black lechatelierite. There are also some nice pieces from Arizona. See all of the fulgurites here - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/fulgurites Thanks for looking and have a great weekend! :) MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Missouri Meteor 19AUG2011
Dear List, Breaking news! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/08/mbiq-indicates-meteor-seen-over.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Adam wrote: "I see Shirokovsky as being off topic" I agree and would keep my mouth shut iof I thought it were an innocent scam that was over and reparations made. Since I agree with Adam as such this will be my only post, since what is on topic, interestingly, is clarifying that it is not a *meteorwrong*.. - a meteorwrong by most definitions is natural material than can be confused with an authentic meteorite out in the field. This is not that case, this is the case of the apple colored moldavites faked on eBay. This is a *PSEUDOMETEORITE* and that term is doing it a favor, and we should IMO all be very clear about that for the mutual benefit of all of our collections and future material that could enter them. Shirokovsky may elicit the Pavlovian Dogs salivation in collectors that haven't been soiled by it. You know - save that salivation for the real stuff, Shirokovsky isn't even in the category of a blow-up meteorite doll. There is nothing technologically interesting about Shirokovsky, the matrix is nothing better than you can find in a cheap faux bead shop, and why people think it would have an etch pattern is beyond me. The only reason to have it is because when you drive by an accident on the highway and see an accident with blood and guts, you have to stop and cause everyone else a traffic jam as you gawk. And then you have to tell everyone else, yes, look I have a piece of that corpse on the road, look at me! I wouldn't feel this way at all if the story were all closed and those who have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (yes, the amount is correct) were ok and the crooks in jail. But the collective memory seems to mean nothing even if we can learn from our past. Everything would be cool in the collectible category if there were a fixed amount of Shirokovsky out there. It is not all accounted for and it gives someone else the idea of manufacturing other meteorites; why, instead of getting locked up for stealing from several collectors and causing all kinds of business heartache beyond the active imagination of many listmembers, the message is clear. Make a Shitpkovsky fake, if you get caught, be nowhere to be found and burn the people who trusted you, cause a great deal of pollutuion that everyone else has to clean up (the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez, and we all cleaned it up), and then appear 10 years later selling more of it like war memorabilia from the dark side and getting people to actually argue it is a good thing to have in collections. Huuumpt. I still remember being at a function 3 years ago where the big meteorite dealer insisted to an ignorant crowd that his many Shirokovsky pseudometeorites. He sold them for $25/g and many just three years ago painted me as someone who didn't know since he was the expert (ha). Here's what the serious problem is: the material was all controlled before by the dealer terrorists and collector rapists. If you bought a piece of this suckerite from one of the original good faith dealers, you did a fine thing to help bail them out and had the cute thing to discuss it in a charitable show and tell. But - Now assigning a collection value to new material all you are doing is having money chase the masses that were never cut. And as we all know, when money chases, money gets. And - guess where this new material is coming from? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe To: Adam Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky I guess collecting artifacts has made me leery about fakes. Get caught with one fake artifact and it will put your entire collection in question. It is best to get artifacts papered and destroy any that have been "killed" by an independent authenticator. I see Shirokovsky as being off topic since it is not a meteorite and is was only produced in order to defraud honest collectors out of their hard earned money. If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. To me, it is garbage and so are the people who produced it! Adam - Original Message - From: Bernd V. Pauli To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hello All, Shirokovsky is terrestrial, it is a pseudo-meteorite, it is man-made! - does not contain typical accessory phases of stony-iron meteorites - accessory phases completely atypical - Olivine has a terrestrial oxygen isotopic composition - Pt/Ir ratio similar to that of terrestrial Cu-Ni ore deposits - has never been in space (noble gases no cosmic component!) - absence of cosmic-ray tracks corroborates noble gas study results (= bestätigen) - Olivine TL spectra similar to terrestrial peridotites Conclusion: Shirokovsky is manufactured, man-made! As for its nickel contents, see also the entry in the (online) Met.Bull. ... and, yes, I have a t
[meteorite-list] METEORITE POLISHER WANTED
HELLO LIST, I AM LOOKING TO PURCHASE A USED TABLE TOP ANGLED POLISHING MACHINE. THIS TYPE HAS A SINGLE WHEEL MOUNTED AT AN ANGLE WITH A WATER RESERVOIR AT THE TOP AND A FLEXIBLE TUBE TO FEED THE WATER TO THE WHEEL. GRAVITY FLOW CONTROLLED BY ADJUSTABLE PETCOCK. THE MACHINE SELF CONTAINS THE USED WATER. WILL CONSIDER A HORIZONTAL WHEEL PARTICULARLY IF NO CENTER ARBOR. POWERED BY ELEC. MOTOR. 8" DIAMETER OR LARGER WOULD BE BEST. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING OF INTEREST, PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST. PICS WOULD BE HELPFUL. BEST, COUNT DEIRO IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] INCORRECTITES, 'WRONGS, and PSEUDOTERMINOLOGY
I wrote: "a meteorwrong by most definitions is natural material than can be confused with an authentic meteorite out in the field. This is a *PSEUDOMETEORITE*" The present case is the same as the apple colored incorrectites faked on eBay which are described as moldavites. Let me introduce the term INCORRECTITES for tektite-wrongs just to keep them separate as we like to do. Since I generalized when all I meant was to focus on the pseudopallasite for which it is ok: A *meteorwrong* by most definitions is a material of possible meteoritic origin which was found with no prior information and requires confirmation by an individual skilled in recognizing meteorites by scientific means. The etymology comes from grasshopper asking Master Po whether he has found a meteorite after spending many moons improving his search techniques, producing a rock that thus far the junior cannot rule out. Master Po, infinitely more practiced, immediately shouts out "Meteorwrong!", thus maintaining the proper meteoritical hierarchy by keeping grasshopper's ego in check and sending grasshopper into the fields for several more moons until he can do better... this case specifically does not apply when the finder knew that the material was terrestrial and was engaged in fraud...because the finder already knew what it was and thus, never had a wrong, since there was never any doubt it was terrestrial. A *counterfeit meteorite* is a material that has been manufactured specifically to appear to be a meteorite. A *pseudometeorite* is any material that gained acceptance as a possible meteorite but was later shown to be terrestrial of origin. Just suggestions, but IMO a good idea. Many of us have stories of counterfeit meteorites. Some time I would like to share my best one, I was deceived analogous to the "Shirokovsky Pallasite" pseudometeorite and purchased. The difference was that it was manufactured by the sagest peasant in a village and I am certain it would have most of the astute list members to the cleaners (as in - emptied their wallet) as well. I don't share this anecdote because it's simply not a good idea in case some perfects its application - very scary. The above are just a pile of opinions! Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: MexicoDoug To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 9:51 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Adam wrote: "I see Shirokovsky as being off topic" I agree and would keep my mouth shut iof I thought it were an innocent scam that was over and reparations made. Since I agree with Adam as such this will be my only post, since what is on topic, interestingly, is clarifying that it is not a *meteorwrong*.. - a meteorwrong by most definitions is natural material than can be confused with an authentic meteorite out in the field. This is not that case, this is the case of the apple colored moldavites faked on eBay. This is a *PSEUDOMETEORITE* and that term is doing it a favor, and we should IMO all be very clear about that for the mutual benefit of all of our collections and future material that could enter them. Shirokovsky may elicit the Pavlovian Dogs salivation in collectors that haven't been soiled by it. You know - save that salivation for the real stuff, Shirokovsky isn't even in the category of a blow-up meteorite doll. There is nothing technologically interesting about Shirokovsky, the matrix is nothing better than you can find in a cheap faux bead shop, and why people think it would have an etch pattern is beyond me. The only reason to have it is because when you drive by an accident on the highway and see an accident with blood and guts, you have to stop and cause everyone else a traffic jam as you gawk. And then you have to tell everyone else, yes, look I have a piece of that corpse on the road, look at me! I wouldn't feel this way at all if the story were all closed and those who have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (yes, the amount is correct) were ok and the crooks in jail. But the collective memory seems to mean nothing even if we can learn from our past. Everything would be cool in the collectible category if there were a fixed amount of Shirokovsky out there. It is not all accounted for and it gives someone else the idea of manufacturing other meteorites; why, instead of getting locked up for stealing from several collectors and causing all kinds of business heartache beyond the active imagination of many listmembers, the message is clear. Make a Shitpkovsky fake, if you get caught, be nowhere to be found and burn the people who trusted you, cause a great deal of pollutuion that everyone else has to clean up (the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez, and we all cleaned it up), and then appear 10 years later selling more of it like war memorabilia from the dark side and getting people to actually arg
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: > Von: wahlpe...@aol.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay > An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr > Hi Carl, > > These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to > everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for > more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a > different fall. The number one key is to spend time in > the field and to have fun! > > Sonny > > > -Original Message- > From: cdtucson > To: meteorite-list ; > wahlperry > Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay > > > Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are > also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They > also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that > Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had > no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until > now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back > in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found > Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and > Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and > the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite > side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each > half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and > they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a > million times. "Go back and search where meteorites have > been found before". It worked again. I talked to Dave > tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had > not ever been back since his first find until this past > March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has > another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was > worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid > to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask > questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find > location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented > and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to > the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a > meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy > grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He > says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some > nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like > Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were > 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- > > > > "Democracy is two wolves and > a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a > well-armed lamb contesting the vote". wahlpe...@aol.com > wrote: > Hi List,> > Cat Mountain for sale on > Ebay.> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf93ca46c> > > > > > __> Visit the > Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html> > Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit > the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list > mailing > listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li > stinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man To Trade Found Meteorite For Harley D
"Looks like scrap metal. I don't know what it is, but if I was a gambling man, I would wager it is NOT a meteorite. At any rate, instead of trading it for a motorcycle, he should trade it for a haircut and some dental work. ;)" Wow. Scrap metal, gambling, motorcycles, meteorites, haircuts and dental work. I'm sure I've ever read a post on this list that included so many of the things in this world so dear to me. Bill __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
All sales of melted down Ford engines and terrestrial olivine melts are hereby suspended until futher notice Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: "Michael Gilmer" To: "Adam Hupe" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hi Adam and List, If you could melt down and recycle an old Ford engine block into something that looked close enough to a pallasite to fool many people, then it would be worth money to some collectors. Heck, it would fetch a premium because *you* made it in an overt attempt to show up Shirokovsky and make a pseudo-pallasite. We could call it "Hupilac Pallasite" ;) Seriously though, Adam's strong negative reaction to Shirokovsky is proof positive of two things - it evokes a passionate response in the meteorite collector community (from a veteran respected member no less), and that makes it collectible to some people. Like it or not, Shirokovsky has become an infamous member of the meteorite community - lovely horrid phoney thing that it is. It might be made from 3 parts Russian beer cans and 1 part yellow ale, but when sliced and polished properly, it can be quite beautiful in it's own fraudulent way. That is why so many people spent good money on it when it was first misrepresented as a meteorite. If it was absolutely terrible to look at, from an aesthetic standpoint, very few people would have bought it and would probably wouldn't be talking about it now. The problem with Shiro is not it's fake nature, it is how/why it was represented as a meteorite. I do not know the entire back story yet, but the material was knowingly offered as a meteorite by sellers/finders who knew (or strongly suspected) it was not a real meteorite. They lied about tests being done and the nature/results of those tests. It scammed a lot of people who thought they bought a new pallasite and instead owned a piece of smelted engine block with olivine windows. Had Shiro had been an accidental slag creation (like Mendota probably is), then it would not have such a negative connotation. What many people find objectionable about Shiro is not the material itself, so much as the way it ripped people off through fraudulent misrepresentation. To me, it is an interesting meteorwrong and it sits in a cabinet drawer I have dedicated to meteorwrongs - there are all clearly labeled as such. They are used for comparison purposes to trying to explain meteorite identification to others and for my own personal enjoyment for compiling many types of wrongs. I will freely admit - if I had been duped and got ripped off on a Shiro specimen while thinking it was a real meteorite, I would have a sour taste for it and I would rather toss it into a deep lake. So I understand the other point of view. But I am curious what the recipe is for Shiro, how exactly it was made, and the nefarious story of shady characters that led to it's emergence as a new "pallasite". Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 8/19/11, Adam Hupe wrote: I guess collecting artifacts has made me leery about fakes. Get caught with one fake artifact and it will put your entire collection in question. It is best to get artifacts papered and destroy any that have been "killed" by an independent authenticator. I see Shirokovsky as being off topic since it is not a meteorite and is was only produced in order to defraud honest collectors out of their hard earned money. If you want a piece of a recycled old Ford motor block in your collection, that is your business. To me, it is garbage and so are the people who produced it! Adam - Original Message - From: Bernd V. Pauli To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Hello All, Shirokovsky is terrestrial, it is a pseudo-meteorite, it is man-made! - does not contain typical accessory phases of stony-iron meteorites - accessory phases completely atypical - Olivine has a terrestrial oxygen isotopic composition - Pt/Ir ratio similar to that of terrestrial Cu-Ni ore deposits - has never been in space (noble gases no cosmic component!) - absence of cosmic-ray tracks corroborates noble gas study results (= bestätigen) - Olivine TL spectra similar to terrestrial peridotites Conclusion: Shirokovsky is manufactured, man-made! As for its nickel contents, see also the entry in the (online) Met.Bull. ... and, yes, I have a thin 2.7 gr slice of Shirokovsky with translucent olivines. I go
[meteorite-list] Yelland Trip Report and Result
Hi all! I posted a Yelland Dry Lake Trip Report and Results on my web page that you may enjoy reading. It's in the upper right corner of the web page below. Hope you enjoy. Jim Wooddell https://k7wfr.us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Missouri Meteor 19AUG2011
Lets see if Marc or Rob can give us a good hunt location. I'm ready to go On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:10 PM, drtanuki wrote: > Dear List, Breaking news! > http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/08/mbiq-indicates-meteor-seen-over.html > > Dirk Ross...Tokyo > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
Sorry, the correct weight for "Cat Mountain 2" was around 168 grams before a small cut was made and 164.5 after. here it is http://s1090.photobucket.com/albums/i361/Airmuseum1/Meteorite%20Finds/ On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote: > Oops, I forgot to say that the original Cat Mountain was named "Cat > Mountain." The second stone, the size of a pecan - if there is one - > was never classified. So it has no number. My half stone 61.03 grams > from the 107 total stone weight is "Cat Mountain 1" and the 168 gram > Stone is "Cat Mountain 2" > > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen wrote: >> Hi Sonny and list, >> >> can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse >> me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have >> understood them: >> >> Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not >> part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain >> pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which >> didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and >> found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. >> >> Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the >> Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was >> found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't >> the original find get the first number? >> >> Pretty amazing finds :-) >> Regine >> >> >> >> >> --- wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: >> >>> Von: wahlpe...@aol.com >>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay >>> An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr >>> Hi Carl, >>> >>> These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to >>> everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for >>> more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a >>> different fall. The number one key is to spend time in >>> the field and to have fun! >>> >>> Sonny >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: cdtucson >>> To: meteorite-list ; >>> wahlperry >>> Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay >>> >>> >>> Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are >>> also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They >>> also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that >>> Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had >>> no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until >>> now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back >>> in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found >>> Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and >>> Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and >>> the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite >>> side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each >>> half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and >>> they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a >>> million times. "Go back and search where meteorites have >>> been found before". It worked again. I talked to Dave >>> tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had >>> not ever been back since his first find until this past >>> March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has >>> another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was >>> worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid >>> to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask >>> questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find >>> location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented >>> and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to >>> the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a >>> meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy >>> grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He >>> says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some >>> nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like >>> Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were >>> 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- >>> >>> >>> >>> "Democracy is two wolves and >>> a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a >>> well-armed lamb contesting the vote". wahlpe...@aol.com >>> wrote: > Hi List,> > Cat Mountain for sale on >>> Ebay.> > >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf93ca46c> >>> > > > >>> __> Visit the >>> Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html> >>> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit >>> the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list >>> mailing >>> listM
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I am the farthest thing in the world from technophobic; if I were, I would never have found the List ;) As Marcin says, to each their own. Facebook is a useful tool, but it is one which I do not choose to use, simply because setting it up and maintaining it could easily become a huge time drain. I don't own a smartphone, a quality still/video camera, or an iPad either, although those things are available to me. I'd rather spend the time and money on other things, including meteorites. Best! Tracy Latimer > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:19:38 -0700 > From: e...@meteoritesusa.com > To: mar...@meteoryt.net > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List > > Absolutely! The connections and information and social aspect of > Facebook is much better and more pleasing than a simple email list. I > guess some people are just technophobic. > > The photos, videos, link sharing, commenting, liking, friending, > connecting and social interaction just can't be matched. Photo galleries > can be created at will, you can stay updated on what your friends are > doing, and it's good for business! Almost every big dealer I know uses > Facebook for selling their meteorites. It's a great marketing tool, and > you don't get bitched at by whiners who don't like seeing an Ad in their > email box. If you don't want to look at an ad, it's easy to just move on > to the next thing on Facebook. > > Way cooler than a static email list... Oh, and Geoff Notkin's Club Space > Rock... Well, it rocks too! Pure meteorites and social networking. > > Email lists are being phased out the way the dinosaurs were. Facebook > and Google+ are the asteroids that smashed the email lists and > traditional forums. > > Eric > > > On 8/19/2011 3:05 PM, Marcin Cimala wrote: > >> I'm amazed at the "old school" mentality coming from the people in > >> the meteorite world. > >> > >> Hmmm, why so negative? Why so technologically phobic? > >> > >> Interesting... > >> Regards, > >> Eric > > > > Agree... > > Sometimes we have a reason to not talk with family members. As we say > > in Poland, "You look good with family only on photos". > > Seriously, I can visit my family, but I cant visit YOU ! But if You > > share Your photos, links You like, places You have visit, meteorites > > You just purchased its very nice. I can know better meteorite list > > members. Only positive vibrations. And You decide what You share with > > world. > > > > And dont compare FB from 4-5 years ago to present times becouse its > > ridiculous. Its like comparing Wright Brothers plane to F-16. Ohh... > > > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > > http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl > > http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com > > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 > > [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] > > > > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
I see. Since there is no NWA or SaU without a number and the Cat Mountain area is not a vast desert either the numbers don't seem to make sense to me. But in the end I might care about it as much as the rocks do... Cheers, R. --- cdtuc...@cox.net schrieb am Sa, 20.8.2011: > Von: cdtuc...@cox.net > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay > An: "Regine Petersen" , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, wahlpe...@aol.com > Datum: Samstag, 20. August, 2011 16:02 Uhr > Regine, > To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS > below after each question. > > > > > > > > > > Regine Petersen > wrote: > > Hi Sonny and list, > > can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit > confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These > are the facts as far as I have understood them: > > Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder > Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found > while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. > > THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY > ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF > SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. > > There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag > which didn't get classified. > > TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE > SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP > THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT > HAAG. > AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED. > > Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found > two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay. > > NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF > THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY > TO RUBEN WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT > 107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR > SALE BY COUNT DEIRO. > > Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have > also found the Snyder Hill piece? > > THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE > FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND > THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG.. > > Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was > found designated 001? > THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD > ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT > WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS > > The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the > original find get the first number? > > NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE > FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS > AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT > THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A > DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT > SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT. > 001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A > SEPARATE NAME. > SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE > NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND > MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK > SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO > RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING > 164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL.. > IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS? > CARL > > Pretty amazing finds :-) > Regine > > > > > --- wahlpe...@aol.com > > schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: > > > Von: wahlpe...@aol.com > > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay > > An: cdtuc...@cox.net, > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr > > Hi Carl, > > > > These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example > to > > everyone that if one meteorite is found return and > check for > > more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a > > different fall. The number one key is to spend time > in > > the field and to have fun! > > > > Sonny > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cdtucson > > To: meteorite-list ; > > wahlperry > > Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay > > > > > > Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and > finder are > > also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. > They > > also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of > that > > Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also > had > > no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find > until > > now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT > strewnfield back > > in 1995 and I was with them when they originally > found > > Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden > and > > Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill > and > > the very next day Dave found the other half on the > opposite > > side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and > each > > half went it's own direction. They were later reunited > and > > they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it >
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Auctions ending tonight (5 hours left)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
Hi Regine, As the new owner of a 61.3 gram Cat Mountain half stone - and after spending two days hunting the area - I am writing an article about it. I have talked to the finder and to Count - no they are not the same person. The short version is this - as I'm saving the long version for an article. It was found by the guys that found the Snider hill meteorite. They went back after many years to spend time together as they had not seen each other in a while. They found the 107 gram stone in March 2011 within minutes of arriving. They contacted some noticeable hunter/collectors who dismissed the stone as slag. Eventually they contacted Count who after studying the stone orchestrated the classification via Ted Bunch and for his efforts earned about 20% of the stone. The 164 grams stone was found earlier this month, Aug 2 2011. From what I am told there are only 3 stones authenticated and 2 were done this year. The Largest and first Cat Mountain (2.7 kilo) was found in 1981 but not identified/ classified until 1992. My 61.3 gram specimen is what was left from the 107 gram after Count and NAU got their share. The 164 gram stone was found by a hunter and given to Count to sell. He is currently taking offers. Count can correct me if I'm wrong - but to me this is the way it all fits together. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen wrote: > Hi Sonny and list, > > can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse > me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have > understood them: > > Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not > part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain > pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which > didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and > found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. > > Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the > Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was > found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the > original find get the first number? > > Pretty amazing finds :-) > Regine > > > > > --- wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: > >> Von: wahlpe...@aol.com >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay >> An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr >> Hi Carl, >> >> These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to >> everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for >> more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a >> different fall. The number one key is to spend time in >> the field and to have fun! >> >> Sonny >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: cdtucson >> To: meteorite-list ; >> wahlperry >> Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay >> >> >> Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are >> also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They >> also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that >> Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had >> no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until >> now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back >> in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found >> Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and >> Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and >> the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite >> side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each >> half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and >> they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a >> million times. "Go back and search where meteorites have >> been found before". It worked again. I talked to Dave >> tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had >> not ever been back since his first find until this past >> March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has >> another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was >> worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid >> to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask >> questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find >> location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented >> and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to >> the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a >> meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy >> grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He >> says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some >> nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like >> Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were >> 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- >> >> >> >> "Democracy is two wolves and >> a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a >> well-armed lamb contesting t
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
Oops, I forgot to say that the original Cat Mountain was named "Cat Mountain." The second stone, the size of a pecan - if there is one - was never classified. So it has no number. My half stone 61.03 grams from the 107 total stone weight is "Cat Mountain 1" and the 168 gram Stone is "Cat Mountain 2" On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen wrote: > Hi Sonny and list, > > can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse > me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have > understood them: > > Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not > part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain > pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which > didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and > found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. > > Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the > Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was > found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the > original find get the first number? > > Pretty amazing finds :-) > Regine > > > > > --- wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: > >> Von: wahlpe...@aol.com >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay >> An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr >> Hi Carl, >> >> These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to >> everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for >> more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a >> different fall. The number one key is to spend time in >> the field and to have fun! >> >> Sonny >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: cdtucson >> To: meteorite-list ; >> wahlperry >> Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay >> >> >> Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are >> also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They >> also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that >> Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had >> no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until >> now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back >> in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found >> Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and >> Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and >> the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite >> side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each >> half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and >> they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a >> million times. "Go back and search where meteorites have >> been found before". It worked again. I talked to Dave >> tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had >> not ever been back since his first find until this past >> March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has >> another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was >> worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid >> to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask >> questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find >> location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented >> and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to >> the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a >> meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy >> grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He >> says he sold it to Ruben for a pile of money and some >> nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like >> Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were >> 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl-- >> >> >> >> "Democracy is two wolves and >> a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a >> well-armed lamb contesting the vote". wahlpe...@aol.com >> wrote: > Hi List,> > Cat Mountain for sale on >> Ebay.> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf93ca46c> >> > > > >> __> Visit the >> Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html> >> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit >> the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list >> mailing >> listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li >> stinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
Regine, To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS below after each question. Regine Petersen wrote: > Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG. AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay. NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT 107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR SALE BY COUNT DEIRO. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG.. Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT. 001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A SEPARATE NAME. SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING 164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL.. IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS? CARL Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: > Von: wahlpe...@aol.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay > An: cdtuc...@cox.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr > Hi Carl, > > These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to > everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for > more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a > different fall. The number one key is to spend time in > the field and to have fun! > > Sonny > > > -Original Message- > From: cdtucson > To: meteorite-list ; > wahlperry > Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay > > > Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are > also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They > also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that > Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had > no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until > now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back > in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found > Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and > Jerome Johnson found the first half of Snyder Hill and > the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite > side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each > half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and > they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a > million times. "Go back and search where meteorites have > been found before". It worked again. I talked to Dave > tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had > not ever been back since his first find until this past > March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has > another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was > worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid > to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask > questions. Only rumors. Long story short the true find > location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented > and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to > the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a > meteorite and low and
[meteorite-list] AD:ENSISHEIM, Lake Murray, Barbotan (229mg), NAKHLA, 2008TC3, Wold Cottage, L’Aiglel, Peekskill, Luce, Jilin & more ending on eBay!
Hello Listers, Thank you for taking a look at my post of meteorites I have for sale on eBay. Here is your chance to own some rare and historic meteorites. Please take a look and if you have any questions or OFFERS please email me and I’ll get back with you and if you are looking for bigger/smaller meteorites, let me know. A meteorite is a meteorite, but a meteorite with history and a legacy, will always add aura to your meteorite collection and value. Also, I have some Lake Murray for sale outside of eBay and if you’re looking for a gram or bigger let me know and the price you’re looking for. Thank you eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html Featured Auctions BARBOTAN rare historic meteorite fall -1790-killer! * NICE SIZE * http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836860868?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 NAKHLA Martian/Mars meteorite - 1911 Fal l- SUPER RARE! http://www.ebay.com/itm/260835388785?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 ENSISHEIM meteorite 1492 from Paris Museum no.1 http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836864654?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 LUCE' meteorite-France 1768 very rare historic fall! *MAKE AN OFFER* http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836866016?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 SIENA meteorite 1794 historic fall from Italy VARY RARE http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836868990?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 PEEKSKILL meteorite HAMMER STONE car smasher 1992 NY http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836855628?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 L'AIGLE Historic meteorite 469mg, 1803 vary rare fall. *MAKE AN OFFER* http://www.ebay.com/itm/260833200647?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 WOLD COTTAGE rare meteorite 1795-1st classified from UK http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836857236?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 LAKE MURRAY IIAB rare iron oldest terrestrial meteorite http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836858626?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 seen from space rare! *MAKE AN OFFER* http://www.ebay.com/itm/260833199907?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 JILIN meteorite deemed as scientifically important! http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836861957?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 ESNANDES very rare historic meteorite fall- France 1837 http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836863355?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 WESTON - 1st USA meteorite, fell in 1807- RARE! http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836791979?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 L'AIGLE Historic meteorite, 1803 vary rare fall. http://www.ebay.com/itm/260836867741?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
Thank you Carl for that clear explanation, actually I was in the corner on this one with Regine - couldn't follow any of this unambiguously until now, but simply though I'd wait until it was properly aged for public consumption to ask. Way to go Ruben! Carl, Your question about Bob Haag's pecan-sized piece you already answered yourself - if it hasn't been classified and it is not obviously paired to Cat Mountain by reasonable cause, then it is simply an unclassified stone believed to be a meteorite - so it would get no number unless it were submitted with the same batch containing the numbers - logically they would all be provisional numbers until a decision is made whether to 'officially' keep numbers or not. I think Rob or someone else may have asked this (I wondered at the time as well), never saw the answer - but what is this 001 and 002 business - has NomCom decided that this is now a dense desert? Sounds like it, and given Carl's answers, rightly so but none of this was clear to me until Carl made this post. Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from another? Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Regine Petersen To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlpe...@aol.com; cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Sat, Aug 20, 2011 11:54 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay I see. Since there is no NWA or SaU without a number and the Cat Mountain area is not a vast desert either the numbers don't seem to make sense to me. But in the end I might care about it as much as the rocks do... Cheers, R. --- cdtuc...@cox.net schrieb am Sa, 20.8.2011: Von: cdtuc...@cox.net Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay An: "Regine Petersen" , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, wahlpe...@aol.com Datum: Samstag, 20. August, 2011 16:02 Uhr Regine, To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS below after each question. Regine Petersen wrote: > Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG. AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay. NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT 107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR SALE BY COUNT DEIRO. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG.. Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT. 001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A SEPARATE NAME. SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING 164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL.. IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS? CARL Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine --- wahlpe...@aol.com schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011: > Von: wahlpe...@aol.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay > An: cdtuc...@cox.ne
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
"a Cat wouldn't find its kitten here/there"... just kidding... (a saying in French meaning: a messy or complicated situation or place) All the best Michael B. From: Ruben Garcia Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:40 PM To: Regine Petersen Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; wahlpe...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay Sorry, the correct weight for "Cat Mountain 2" was around 168 grams before a small cut was made and 164.5 after. here it is http://s1090.photobucket.com/albums/i361/Airmuseum1/Meteorite%20Finds/ On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Oops, I forgot to say that the original Cat Mountain was named "Cat Mountain." The second stone, the size of a pecan - if there is one - was never classified. So it has no number. My half stone 61.03 grams from the 107 total stone weight is "Cat Mountain 1" and the 168 gram Stone is "Cat Mountain 2" On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen wrote: Hi Sonny and list, can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them: Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay. Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number? Pretty amazing finds :-) Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gujba (was: AD - Auctions ending tonight)
Stuart wrote: "Man I would really like to have a Gujba!!" Hello Stuart and List, If the Gujba Marcin is offering is not the one you would like to add to your collection, Eric Twelker (Meteorite Market) has a lot of Gujbas to choose from at a very affordable price! See here: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/ Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gujba (was: AD - Auctions ending tonight)
Wow, thanks. I will take a look and see. Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA -Original Message- From: Bernd V. Pauli Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:12 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Gujba (was: AD - Auctions ending tonight) Stuart wrote: "Man I would really like to have a Gujba!!" Hello Stuart and List, If the Gujba Marcin is offering is not the one you would like to add to your collection, Eric Twelker (Meteorite Market) has a lot of Gujbas to choose from at a very affordable price! See here: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/ Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
Doug, I asked Bob Verish about this a few months ago. The MetBul does not show number designations, it recognizes two stones that make up the TKW for the Los Angeles meteorite. The 001 and 002 designations were internal to Mr. Verish for his own record keeping, but I believe he said (and I hope he'll chime in and correct me if I am mistaken) he used them publically a few times and without realizing it the number designation spread. -Michael in so. Cal. On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM, MexicoDoug wrote: > > ... > > Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 > got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through > LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from another? > Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever happened > to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... > > Kindest wishes > Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Curry is at it again!
Or maybe I should say Curry has never stopped. The Meteorite Man from Montrose, Colorado is gracing us with his one of a kind finds from the western slopes. http://www.ebay.com/sch/uncometeorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 and he is still promising that 80 percent of your bid is tax deductible through his charitable organization. Seems that would be a little hard to do since he is not registered with the IRS as a charitable organization (see his filing with the state of Colorado) http://www.sos.state.co.us/ccsa/ViewReports.do?evEntityType=CO&ceId=70100&ev Id=70100 In the past, Mr. Curry has been willing to respond to emails and explain all about his wonderful lunar treasures. I emailed him a number of times... he's not interested in talking to us anymore. Don't you wish there was a way to stop this? Walter L. Newton Conifer, Colorado __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - up to 20% off ebay listed meteorites
Hi to all, I am running a sale of up to 20% off listed meteorites on ebay. There are some nice deals to be had. I also have some Tagish Lake that is not listed on ebay. Thanks for looking. http://www.ebay.com/sch/wanderingstarmeteorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry is at it again!
Say something negative about him and he will come alive!! Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA -Original Message- From: Walter L. Newton Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:16 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry is at it again! Or maybe I should say Curry has never stopped. The Meteorite Man from Montrose, Colorado is gracing us with his one of a kind finds from the western slopes. http://www.ebay.com/sch/uncometeorites/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 and he is still promising that 80 percent of your bid is tax deductible through his charitable organization. Seems that would be a little hard to do since he is not registered with the IRS as a charitable organization (see his filing with the state of Colorado) http://www.sos.state.co.us/ccsa/ViewReports.do?evEntityType=CO&ceId=70100&ev Id=70100 In the past, Mr. Curry has been willing to respond to emails and explain all about his wonderful lunar treasures. I emailed him a number of times... he's not interested in talking to us anymore. Don't you wish there was a way to stop this? Walter L. Newton Conifer, Colorado __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Mount Erebus
Dear Listees, Although technically not a meteorite, Mount Erebus crystals do originate in the innards of a large planetary body and are spat out by the Antarctic volcano Mount Erebus. I have a pair of them on Ebay, ending Sunday at 7pm. A true rarity and perhaps the next best thing to a meteorite from the Antarctic. Check them out at http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mt-Erebus-Crystal-anorthoclase-feldspar-/160637121215?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2566b7f2bf and http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mt-Erebus-Crystal-anorthoclase-feldspar-/160633927181?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256687360d I'm also looking for some of the first best thing (i.e., an actual Antarctic meteorite). Does anybody have any Thiel Mountains pallasite for sale? If so, please contact me off list. Thanks. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
I would think each would be called Cat Mountain, if they are all classified the same as the first one and were found in the same area, suggesting a strewn field. There are no Franconia 002 or Gold Basin 002. I guess the 'name' of a meteorite is one of a single stone or the strewn field. My few grams worth. Congratulations to all the finders of the new stones and to Count on getting the classification done. I also look forward to Rubin's article. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: > Doug, > > I asked Bob Verish about this a few months ago. The MetBul does not > show number designations, it recognizes two stones that make up the > TKW for the Los Angeles meteorite. The 001 and 002 designations were > internal to Mr. Verish for his own record keeping, but I believe he > said (and I hope he'll chime in and correct me if I am mistaken) he > used them publically a few times and without realizing it the number > designation spread. > > -Michael in so. Cal. > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:13 PM, MexicoDoug wrote: >> >> ... > > >> >> Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and LA002 >> got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no LA003 through >> LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be distingueshed from >> another? Are there other examples of unique / closed numbering? What ever >> happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c), ... >> >> Kindest wishes >> Doug > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
Greetings listoids. Doug, I believe you've introduced an important distinction, upon which I've been intending on opining. Like you said, "a meteorwrong by most definitions is *natural* material than can be confused with an authentic meteorite out in the field." Shirokovsky, on the other hand, was a deliberate fake. A man-made concoction for the sole purpose of fraud. (Based on what I've read here.) I can understand the interest in a legitimate meteorwrong - I bought a piece of Mendota myself - but, in my opinion, Shirokovsky does not deserve to be in that category. I would be no more likely to purchase a sample, than to intentionally purchase counterfeit currency. It has about the same worth. But while I have to agree with Adam's point of view on this, I can somewhat understand the opposing views. Respect them, anyway. Interestingly though, most all of those in favor of collecting it, already have it in their collections. A case of "sour grapes", in reverse? ;^) Just my two cents. Actual value may vary. Linton - Original Message - From: "MexicoDoug" To: ; Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky Adam wrote: "I see Shirokovsky as being off topic" I agree and would keep my mouth shut iof I thought it were an innocent scam that was over and reparations made. Since I agree with Adam as such this will be my only post, since what is on topic, interestingly, is clarifying that it is not a eteorwrong*.. - a meteorwrong by most definitions is natural material than can be confused with an authentic meteorite out in the field. This is not that case, this is the case of the apple colored moldavites faked on eBay. This is a *PSEUDOMETEORITE* and that term is doing it a favor, and we should IMO all be very clear about that for the mutual benefit of all of our collections and future material that could enter them. Shirokovsky may elicit the Pavlovian Dogs salivation in collectors that haven't been soiled by it. You know - save that salivation for the real stuff, Shirokovsky isn't even in the category of a blow-up meteorite doll. There is nothing technologically interesting about Shirokovsky, the matrix is nothing better than you can find in a cheap faux bead shop, and why people think it would have an etch pattern is beyond me. The only reason to have it is because when you drive by an accident on the highway and see an accident with blood and guts, you have to stop and cause everyone else a traffic jam as you gawk. And then you have to tell everyone else, yes, look I have a piece of that corpse on the road, look at me! I wouldn't feel this way at all if the story were all closed and those who have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (yes, the amount is correct) were ok and the crooks in jail. But the collective memory seems to mean nothing even if we can learn from our past. Everything would be cool in the collectible category if there were a fixed amount of Shirokovsky out there. It is not all accounted for and it gives someone else the idea of manufacturing other meteorites; why, instead of getting locked up for stealing from several collectors and causing all kinds of business heartache beyond the active imagination of many listmembers, the message is clear. Make a Shitpkovsky fake, if you get caught, be nowhere to be found and burn the people who trusted you, cause a great deal of pollutuion that everyone else has to clean up (the equivalent of the Exxon Valdez, and we all cleaned it up), and then appear 10 years later selling more of it like war memorabilia from the dark side and getting people to actually argue it is a good thing to have in collections. Huuumpt. I still remember being at a function 3 years ago where the big meteorite dealer insisted to an ignorant crowd that his many Shirokovsky pseudometeorites. He sold them for $25/g and many just three years ago painted me as someone who didn't know since he was the expert (ha). Here's what the serious problem is: the material was all controlled before by the dealer terrorists and collector rapists. If you bought a piece of this suckerite from one of the original good faith dealers, you did a fine thing to help bail them out and had the cute thing to discuss it in a charitable show and tell. But - Now assigning a collection value to new material all you are doing is having money chase the masses that were never cut. And as we all know, when money chases, money gets. And - guess where this new material is coming from? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe To: Adam Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky I guess collecting artifacts has made me leery about fakes. Get caught with one fake artifact and it will put your entire collection in question. It is best to get artifacts papered and destroy any that have been "killed" by an independent authenticator.
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
With this crap currently selling for a minimum $1.00 US per gram, no doubt the culprit(s) are wondering which engine block to melt next. In this case, crime seems to pay. Cheers, Pete > From: linton...@earthlink.net > To: mexicod...@aim.com > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:46:21 -0700 > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky > > Greetings listoids. > Doug, I believe you've introduced an important distinction, upon which I've > been intending on opining. Like you said, "a meteorwrong by most > definitions is *natural* material than can be confused with an authentic > meteorite out in the field." Shirokovsky, on the other hand, was a > deliberate fake. A man-made concoction for the sole purpose of fraud. (Based > on what I've read here.) I can understand the interest in a legitimate > meteorwrong - I bought a piece of Mendota myself - but, in my opinion, > Shirokovsky does not deserve to be in that category. I would be no more > likely to purchase a sample, than to intentionally purchase counterfeit > currency. It has about the same worth. > But while I have to agree with Adam's point of view on this, I can somewhat > understand the opposing views. Respect them, anyway. Interestingly though, > most all of those in favor of collecting it, already have it in their > collections. A case of "sour grapes", in reverse? ;^) > Just my two cents. Actual value may vary. > Linton > > - Original Message - > From: "MexicoDoug" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:51 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky > > > > Adam wrote: > > > > "I see Shirokovsky as being off topic" > > > > I agree and would keep my mouth shut iof I thought it were an innocent > > scam that was over and reparations made. > > > > Since I agree with Adam as such this will be my only post, since what is > > on topic, interestingly, is clarifying that it is not a > > eteorwrong*.. - a meteorwrong by most definitions is natural material > > than can be confused with an authentic meteorite out in the field. This > > is not that case, this is the case of the apple colored moldavites faked > > on eBay. This is a *PSEUDOMETEORITE* and that term is doing it a favor, > > and we should IMO all be very clear about that for the mutual benefit of > > all of our collections and future material that could enter them. > > > > Shirokovsky may elicit the Pavlovian Dogs salivation in collectors that > > haven't been soiled by it. You know - save that salivation for the real > > stuff, Shirokovsky isn't even in the category of a blow-up meteorite doll. > > There is nothing technologically interesting about Shirokovsky, the matrix > > is nothing better than you can find in a cheap faux bead shop, and why > > people think it would have an etch pattern is beyond me. The only reason > > to have it is because when you drive by an accident on the highway and see > > an accident with blood and guts, you have to stop and cause everyone else > > a traffic jam as you gawk. And then you have to tell everyone else, yes, > > look I have a piece of that corpse on the road, look at me! > > > > I wouldn't feel this way at all if the story were all closed and those who > > have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars (yes, the amount is correct) > > were ok and the crooks in jail. But the collective memory seems to mean > > nothing even if we can learn from our past. Everything would be cool in > > the collectible category if there were a fixed amount of Shirokovsky out > > there. > > > > It is not all accounted for and it gives someone else the idea of > > manufacturing other meteorites; why, instead of getting locked up for > > stealing from several collectors and causing all kinds of business > > heartache beyond the active imagination of many listmembers, the message > > is clear. Make a Shitpkovsky fake, if you get caught, be nowhere to be > > found and burn the people who trusted you, cause a great deal of > > pollutuion that everyone else has to clean up (the equivalent of the Exxon > > Valdez, and we all cleaned it up), and then appear 10 years later selling > > more of it like war memorabilia from the dark side and getting people to > > actually argue it is a good thing to have in collections. > > > > Huuumpt. I still remember being at a function 3 years ago where the big > > meteorite dealer insisted to an ignorant crowd that his many Shirokovsky > > pseudometeorites. He sold them for $25/g and many just three years ago > > painted me as someone who didn't know since he was the expert (ha). > > > > Here's what the serious problem is: the material was all controlled before > > by the dealer terrorists and collector rapists. If you bought a piece of > > this suckerite from one of the original good faith dealers, you did a fine > > thing to help bail them out and had the cute thing to discuss it in a > > charitable show and tell. But - Now assigning a
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - August 17, 2011 (Corrected)
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 17, 2011 o Pitted Materials in Bakhuysen Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_020309_1570 Bakhuysen Crater, located in Noachis Terra, is thought to be the largest crater that possesses (and has preserved) these pitted materials. o Hematite in Capri Chasma http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023331_1670 The TES instrument has detected gray hematite in this area of Capri Chasma, one of several large depressions that make up the Valles Marineris canyon system. o Caves and Craters http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_023531_1840 Earlier this year, the CTX camera team saw a crater containing a dark spot on the dusty slopes of the Pavonis Mons volcano. We took a closer look at this feature with HiRISE and found this unusual geologic feature. All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
