[meteorite-list] Friday Foto Fun - Planet X ?

2011-08-27 Thread Greg Hupé

Here is a neat little foto...

1mm chondrule from the 330g Kenya stone:
http://www.lunarrock.com/Kenya2011/kenyaChondrule.jpg

Enjoy!
Greg

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[meteorite-list] Multiple radar hits for 8 August 2011 Ohio bolide

2011-08-27 Thread Matson, Robert D.
Hi All,

Not exactly a timely e-mail, but I thought I'd post my radar analysis of
the August 8th, 2011, Ohio bolide with the MetList. (On Tuesday I sent this
analysis to Peter Brown, Bill Cooke, Donald Yeomans, SpaceWeather.com and a
half dozen others, but since this potential fall is likely of more general
interest, I thought I'd repost it here.)

Marc Fries was quick to concur with Bill Cooke's initial radar analysis,
and augment it (off-list) with additional data showing the tell-tale
signs of upper atmospheric turbulence at the location of the fall. I
concur with Marc's and others' assessments that this likely did produce
meteorites on the ground, though it is not a significant fall like Park
Forest, Ash Creek (West, TX) or Mifflin. I was able to add some significant
new data that confirms Bill's original KCLE radar returns.

To recap, Bill's triplet of more-or-less linear returns was at the 10-degree
cut angle from the KCLE Doppler radar which began its scan at 5:21:25 UT.
The 10-degree cut angle was the 14th scan of 17 taken in that sequence, and
the returns are all at an azimuth (from the radar) of around 91 degrees. A
rough estimate of the timing of those specific returns is 5:24:43, or about
2 ½ minutes after being recorded by All Sky cameras. So the radar and camera
data are in good agreement.

Here are approximate coordinates of the centers of those three returns:

KCLE, 10-degree cut angle, ~5:24:43 UT 8/8/2011
80.617 W, 41.400 N (18.8 km alt)
80.496 W, 41.396 N (20.7 km)
80.396 W, 41.375 N (22.3 km)

A single bolide-related return is ALSO visible during the 5:25:36, 4-degree
cut angle scan:

KCLE, 4-degree cut angle, ~5:27:58 UT   80.294W, 41.433N (10.2 km)

There are additional returns during the 5:29:54 scan, but they may be
spurious. One is at high altitude (20.3 km) in the 6.4-degree cut angle
@ around 79.872W, 41.461N. But given that this is around 10 minutes after
the fall, the most it could represent is meteoric dust.

I did find high-altitude returns in two additional radars: KILN (Cincinnati)
and KCCX (State College, PA):

KILN, 3.1-degree cut angle, scan start at 5:23:18, approx. hit time: 5:25:19
80.916 W, 41.461 N (25.5 km)

I've saved State College for last because it is the most impressive. It records
not only the earliest returns, but also the highest altitude one. It also shows
the greatest persistence, appearing in three separate scans:

KCCX, 4-degree cut angle, scan start at 5:19:58, approx. time of hits: 5:22:55
[EARLIEST HITS RECORDED BY RADAR]
80.978 W, 41.675 N (22.7 km)
80.706 W, 41.235 N (19.4 km)

6.4-degree cut angle, scan start at 5:19:58, approx. hit time:  5:23:31
80.528 W, 41.181 N (26.8 km = 88 kft) [HIGHEST ALTITUDE HIT]

3.1-degree cut angle, scan start at 5:23:35, approx. hit time: 5:26:13
80.398 W, 41.202 N (13.7 km)

The State College radar does occasionally show some noisiness that tends to be
isolated to a particular azimuth of a scan, so I'm not sure the following
returns are real or spurious. However, they are proximal to the Cleveland
returns, so I've included them here:

0.9-degree cut angle, scan start 5:27:11, approx. hit time: 5:28:01
80.650 W, 41.380 N, 6.8 km
80.624 W, 41.375 N, 6.7 km
80.596 W, 41.371 N, 6.6 km
80.574 W, 41.368 N, 6.5 km

It can be confusing trying to correlate all of these hits without first
computing the actual times that each return was detected, and then accounting
for upper atmospheric wind drift. I pulled the radiosonde data for Pittsburgh
at the closest times bracketing the time of the fall (0 UT and 12 UT). At the
early time, the peak winds were around 55 knots at 300 mbar coming out of
azimuth 260. So drift at that time would have been 10 degrees north of east.
At the later time, winds were noticeably higher at around 87 knots out of
azimuth 265. If anyone wants the full radiosonde data by altitude, just let
me know and I'll send it your way.

Cheers,
Rob Matson
Science Applications International Corp.
Seal Beach, CA

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Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Ejecta Could Have Seeded Life on Europa

2011-08-27 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Hi, Al, Bernd, List,


Takes less energy to fall in than out.


Actually, the reverse is true. It much harder
for a meteorite from a oplanetary surface to
fall in than to fall out. It's counter-intuitive,
but true.

Imagine you've just escaped the Earth's gravity
and you'd like to visit Mars. The minimum
energy cotangential orbit that touches the
Earth's orbit at aphelion is 32.7 km/s and at
perihelion at Mars is only 21.5 km/s, because
it's an more eccentric ellipse than either planet's
orbit.

The Earth is already moving at 29.8 km/s, so
to leave Earth for Mars requires only that you
speed up less than 3 km/s. If you've timed it right
(the launch window we hear about), you're then
moving 2.7 km/s too slow when you get to Mars,
so you have to speed up that much to match in
with Mars' orbital velocity and start to fall in to
the Martian atmosphere (or maybe you just get
run over by Mars as you pass).

Those figures are only true if you start from
a co-moving point with the Earth. If you started
from the surface of the Earth and blasted off for
Mars all in one sustained flight, it would take
11.6 km/s to leave Earth and 5.7 km/s to land
on your tail jets on Mars, just the way they do
in the movies. But meteorites don't do that.

The key is that you have to speed up to fall out.
Being blasted off a planet usually involves some
considerable speeding up, I imagine.

But to fall in to a cotangential orbit shaped so
that it would just kiss the orbit of Venus needs you
to SLOW DOWN by 2.5 km/s in order to fall in
and when you arrive at Venus, you need to slow
down AGAIN, by 2.7 km/s, a total change of 5.2
km/s, ALL of it by slowing down.

To get from an outer planet to an inner planet,
you have to lose speed at both ends. Losing speed
on arrival is easy; all you have to do is smack into
the planet as asteroids are wont to do. But how
do you get blasted off a planet and then slow down
so to fall inward? Slowing down is hard to do in
a vacuum if you're not a rocketship.

When you escape the Earth, you're already moving
too fast to get to Venus. OK, yes, there are ways ---
odd elliptical orbits that will eventually intersect
with an inner planet's orbit. But, given a broad range
of ejection velocities and directions, a lot more stuff
goes out than in. It's true of all outer-inner transfers
wherever they start from.

Since it's harder to fall in than to fall out, there should
be more Earthites on Mars than there are Marsites on
Earth, more Mercuryites on Earth than Earthites on
Mercury, more Venusites on Earth than Earthites on
Venus, and so forth.

A clear example of how counter-intuitive the whole thing
is? Brett Gladman's numerical simulations of tens of
thousands of particles blasted off Mercury shows a
small but countable number ending up on Saturn's
moon Titan.

That's one heck of a trip and sounds improbable. But
falling out helps make it happen.


Sterling K. Webb
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Hi Bernd and all,

Easier or harder?? Takes less energy to fall in than out. Best!!

--AL Mitterling

Quoting Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de:


Eric W. wrote:

Absolutely! Why not? It makes perfect sense.

Well, Eric and List, because getting ejected into the outer reaches
of the solar system and surviving this torture is much easier than
falling toward the Sun without being swallowed by our central
star ... thinking of sungrazing comets ...

Cheers,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] R: nital and etching

2011-08-27 Thread Francesco Moser
Thanks to all friends who kindly answer to my question!!!

I remember my old study about chemistry that there is a correct way to 
make a solution with acid, but it passed more than 10years ... so I 
prefer to ask you!

Thanks!


On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:11 AM, Francesco Moser coj...@tiscali.it wrote:

 Hello dear friends!
 
 I want to try to etching some iron meteorites and some mesosiderites, but
I
 never try this!
 
 I have here nitric acid HNO3 at 65% and ethyl alcohol at 96%  and
now??
 
 Could you give me some tips about the nital preparation procedure???
 The best percentage? It's better, more safe, to put the HNO3 in the
alcohol
 or vice versa?
 
 Every tip are welcomed! :)
 
 Thanks a lot!!!
 
 Francesco!
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE

2011-08-27 Thread karmaka
Sorry if this is a double post but the first one doesn't seem to 'get through':

Hello Dave, Karl A., Dr. Wasson and list,

If the beautiful Conception Junction is 'unique' and not paired to any main 
group pallasite (Dr. Wasson), could it in any way be paired
to the ungrouped pallasite MILTON, found less than 60 km away in the west of 
Conception Junction?
Milton 'looks' very different from Conception Junction though...

MILTON:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Pallasite%2C+ungroupedsfor=typesants=falls=valids=stype=exactlrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=16691[../../jump.htm?goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lpi.usra.edu%2Fmeteor%2Fmetbull.php%3Fsea%3DPallasite%252C%2Bungrouped%26sfor%3Dtypes%26ants%3D%26falls%3D%26valids%3D%26stype%3Dexact%26lrec%3D50%26map%3Dge%26browse%3D%26country%3DAll%26srt%3Dname%26categ%3DAll%26mblist%3DAll%26rect%3D%26phot%3D%26snew%3D0%26pnt%3DNormal%2520table%26code%3D16691]

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1683.pdf

Dr. Wasson was involved in the classification of Milton as well and might know.

Can anyone help with an answer?

Best wishes to all

Martin
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[meteorite-list] Conception Junction Pallasite

2011-08-27 Thread Larry Atkins

What a score for science, collectors, and the whole community!

Fantastic job guys.

Karl, you rock!!!




Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
 
IMCA # 1941
Ebay alienrockfarm
 

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[meteorite-list] http://lidar.cr.usgs.gov/LIDAR_Viewer/viewer.php : Rich Murray 2011.08.26

2011-08-27 Thread Rich Murray
http://lidar.cr.usgs.gov/LIDAR_Viewer/viewer.php  : Rich Murray 2011.08.26

free LIDAR views of Earth -- easy to create and download map pdf files
to print and share

within mutual service,  Rich Murray
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[meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Bross

Hello everyone

I have dear friends in NY and Long Island.
Do someone know a truly reliable website to follow Irene ?

Thank you very much !
Michael B.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Friday Foto Fun - Planet X ?

2011-08-27 Thread Paul Harris

Looks like something Michael Blood would have in his cereal :-)
http://www.capncrunch.com/cc_products/crunchBerries.aspx

Fantastic trip you and Mike had!

Paul Harris


On 8/26/2011 10:07 PM, Greg Hupé wrote:

Here is a neat little foto...

1mm chondrule from the 330g Kenya stone:
http://www.lunarrock.com/Kenya2011/kenyaChondrule.jpg

Enjoy!
Greg

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[meteorite-list] something comes down in Cusco,Peru

2011-08-27 Thread valparint
Flying at Mach 3

Paul Swartz

 Twin engine jet aircraft contrail.
 
 Count Deiro
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Conception Junction Pallasite

2011-08-27 Thread Ruben Garcia
Great job, Karl, Rob and Dave.  As usual you guys are always rockin' -
Meteor Rockin' that is!



On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com wrote:

 What a score for science, collectors, and the whole community!

 Fantastic job guys.

 Karl, you rock!!!




 Sincerely,
 Larry Atkins

 IMCA # 1941
 Ebay alienrockfarm


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Ruben Garcia

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Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test

2011-08-27 Thread U.S. Airborne

Hi Karl  I must say great find on the new pallasite to you  all your team.

Scott Johnson
U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC
Eagles Nest Airpark
Sport Pilot C.F.I  WSC-L WSC-S
www.usairborne.com
i...@usairborne.com
Office 509-780-0554
Cell 509-780-8377


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Dear List,

Dave Gheesling, Robert Ward and I have introduced a new pallasite to
the meteorite community:
Conception Junction, Missouri.
Information about North America's 20th pallasite can be found here:

www.conceptionjunctionpallasite.com

I was unable to post earlier due to incorrect email settings and I am
reposting this link as a test.

Thanks... and enjoy this beautiful meteorite !!
Karl Aston
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Re: [meteorite-list] Friday Foto Fun - Planet X ?

2011-08-27 Thread Greg Hupé

Too funny, Paul!
Nice giggle to wake up to!

Thanks to everyone for the real nice congrats to Mike and I, very 
appreciated! I've been slow to reply, never been this jet lagged before so 
have been pretty worn out. Yesterday I took my last series of antibiotics 
from some bug in Kenya, nasty sinus infection.


Hope everyone has a safe and happy weekend!

Best Regards,
Greg


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-Original Message- 
From: Paul Harris

Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:09 AM
To: Greg Hupé
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Friday Foto Fun - Planet X ?

Looks like something Michael Blood would have in his cereal :-)
http://www.capncrunch.com/cc_products/crunchBerries.aspx

Fantastic trip you and Mike had!

Paul Harris


On 8/26/2011 10:07 PM, Greg Hupé wrote:

Here is a neat little foto...

1mm chondrule from the 330g Kenya stone:
http://www.lunarrock.com/Kenya2011/kenyaChondrule.jpg

Enjoy!
Greg

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Re: [meteorite-list] Multiple radar hits for 8 August 2011 Ohio bolide

2011-08-27 Thread Jim Wooddell

Good Morning Rob and list!

Rob, having played around with the NOAA program associated with the Doppler 
Radar, only a little bit comparatively, I know this is very time consuming 
investigative work.  My hat is off  to you guys that can find these 'needles 
in the haystack'!  It's a lot of data to go through!

Thank you for the report.  I do hope it leads to some nice finds!

After watching the Peru object that fell, it sure would be nice to have that 
data!


With Respect,

Jim Wooddell







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Hi All,

Not exactly a timely e-mail, but I thought I'd post my radar analysis of
the August 8th, 2011, Ohio bolide with the MetList.
[snip] 


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Re: [meteorite-list] something comes down in Cusco,Peru

2011-08-27 Thread Count Deiro
Depending on the pressure altitude and tempprobably about 640 MPH TAS. Just 
under the speed of sound at that altitude. Probably a 737-200. If he has a 
significant tailwind, which is likely, as he's in the Southern Hemisphere and 
heading West, his ground speed could easily be as high as 790 MPH. Making him 
look fast for an airliner and more like a meteorite to an inexperienced 
observer.

Best,

Count Deiro
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Subject: [meteorite-list] something comes down in Cusco,Peru

Flying at Mach 3

Paul Swartz

 Twin engine jet aircraft contrail.
 
 Count Deiro
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Bross

Thank you Mal and everyone

The site looks good.
I am using :
(http://www.news12.com/weather/weather_main.jsp?section=weather_today_tonight®ion_name=LI)
which is a local news channel

Irene is downgraded to category 1, but... it is so huge (500 miles wide)
that big flooding can be expected, comment from someone who lived
Andrew in Miami in 1983

best wishes to all !!!
Michael




From: Mal Bishop
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:00 PM
To: Michael Bross
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene


Michael - have them try wunderground.com  (e.g. weather underground ) as 
I've been using it for years.
I find it very reliable, up -to-date, and like it better than the weather 
channels info on their site.


Even the free, unsubscribed version has everything ...it's just not 
advertisement free basically that's all.
Have them (and you) look it over and see if it meets their needs, as well as 
yours.


http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201109.html

http://www.wunderground.com/

Best of luck to your friends in NY and surrounding areas!
My son and I think and pray for the least impact to all as can happen under 
these conditions no happening for all

along the eastern seaboard!

With best wishes to all-
Mal 


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[meteorite-list] Ancient Chinese imapct

2011-08-27 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi all - 

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/08/27/55273149.html

As usual, cometary, so no good hunting for meteorites.
If I ever locate any of those...

good hunting, everyone
E.P.
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

2011-08-27 Thread Matthias Bärmann


Hi Michael,

I've friends in NYC too, even close to Hudson River - last news were that 
they got evacuated. I'm with them in my thoughts and wish not only them but 
all citizens of and around Big Apple all the best.


Have a try here: http://edition.cnn.com/

Best,
Matthias

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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:49 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene



Hello everyone

I have dear friends in NY and Long Island.
Do someone know a truly reliable website to follow Irene ?

Thank you very much !
Michael B.
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[meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Fowler


Wasson's statement that: 

…there is no main-group pallasite that is closely related to Conception 
Junction. Conception Junction is unique. 

leaves open the question at to what is the classification?  Is it ungrouped, or 
perhaps, main group anomalous?

I would be most interested to know the major and trace element analysis so I 
could form my own opinion.


Sincerely, 

Mike Fowler
Chicago

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Re: [meteorite-list] something comes down in Cusco,Peru

2011-08-27 Thread Chris Peterson
The video shows what appears to be an ordinary commercial aircraft, in 
ordinary subsonic flight.


Stills and videos of these sort of contrails are regularly submitted as 
meteors or fireballs. This one is no different.


Chris

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On 8/27/2011 7:59 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote:

Flying at Mach 3

Paul Swartz


Twin engine jet aircraft contrail.

Count Deiro

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Bross

Yes, sorry...
I thought it was 1993, mistyped, but it was 1992.
I went to Miami a couple days after Andrew.
Some parts, especially poor neighborhoods with
trailers etc... were devastated.

Michael



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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:36 PM
To: Michael Bross
Cc: Mal Bishop ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene


Andrew was august 92.
Met my wife the day after it, getting on an ARMY ship in Tampa. Was supposed 
to fly to Key West that day. Of course that would have been a rough flight. 
Drove to Tampa and met the ship which had fled the keys to Tampa ahead of 
the storm.

Fun times.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote:


Thank you Mal and everyone

The site looks good.
I am using :
(http://www.news12.com/weather/weather_main.jsp?section=weather_today_tonight®ion_name=LI)
which is a local news channel

Irene is downgraded to category 1, but... it is so huge (500 miles wide)
that big flooding can be expected, comment from someone who lived
Andrew in Miami in 1983

best wishes to all !!!
Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ancient Chinese imapct

2011-08-27 Thread karmaka
Hi E.P. and list,

The picture used in the article does show petroglyphs from Irkutsk in Russia. 
Thus it was used only for illustration purposes

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazetairkutsk.ru%2F2010%2F09%2F02%2Fid21881%2F

http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Frus.ruvr.ru%2F2010%2F10%2F21%2F27398750.html

I would like to see the real ones from .

Best wishes

Martin


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Hi all -

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/08/27/55273149.html

As usual, cometary, so no good hunting for meteorites.
If I ever locate any of those...

good hunting, everyone
E.P.
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

2011-08-27 Thread meteoriteguy.com
Andrew was august 92.
Met my wife the day after it, getting on an ARMY ship in Tampa. Was supposed to 
fly to Key West that day. Of course that would have been a rough flight. Drove 
to Tampa and met the ship which had fled the keys to Tampa ahead of the storm.
Fun times.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote:

 Thank you Mal and everyone
 
 The site looks good.
 I am using :
 (http://www.news12.com/weather/weather_main.jsp?section=weather_today_tonight®ion_name=LI)
 which is a local news channel
 
 Irene is downgraded to category 1, but... it is so huge (500 miles wide)
 that big flooding can be expected, comment from someone who lived
 Andrew in Miami in 1983
 
 best wishes to all !!!
 Michael
 
 
 
 
 From: Mal Bishop
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:00 PM
 To: Michael Bross
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene
 
 
 Michael - have them try wunderground.com  (e.g. weather underground ) as I've 
 been using it for years.
 I find it very reliable, up -to-date, and like it better than the weather 
 channels info on their site.
 
 Even the free, unsubscribed version has everything ...it's just not 
 advertisement free basically that's all.
 Have them (and you) look it over and see if it meets their needs, as well as 
 yours.
 
 http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201109.html
 
 http://www.wunderground.com/
 
 Best of luck to your friends in NY and surrounding areas!
 My son and I think and pray for the least impact to all as can happen under 
 these conditions no happening for all
 along the eastern seaboard!
 
 With best wishes to all-
 Mal 
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

2011-08-27 Thread Pete Pete

Here's a better site, without the hype:

 

 



http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ 


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ 


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 To: elemen...@peconic.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:59:17 +0200
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene
 
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 I've friends in NYC too, even close to Hudson River - last news were that 
 they got evacuated. I'm with them in my thoughts and wish not only them but 
 all citizens of and around Big Apple all the best.
 
 Have a try here: http://edition.cnn.com/
 
 Best,
 Matthias
 
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 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:49 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene
 
 
  Hello everyone
 
  I have dear friends in NY and Long Island.
  Do someone know a truly reliable website to follow Irene ?
 
  Thank you very much !
  Michael B.
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Re: [meteorite-list] something comes down in Cusco,Peru

2011-08-27 Thread meteoriteguy.com
For sure, slowly crossing the sky and dissapearing over the horizon, as a 
highflying airliner does. Yet this airliner is now worldwide news. A real 
meteorite is of little interest to the media. 
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote:

 The video shows what appears to be an ordinary commercial aircraft, in 
 ordinary subsonic flight.
 
 Stills and videos of these sort of contrails are regularly submitted as 
 meteors or fireballs. This one is no different.
 
 Chris
 
 ***
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 Cloudbait Observatory
 http://www.cloudbait.com
 
 On 8/27/2011 7:59 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote:
 Flying at Mach 3
 
 Paul Swartz
 
 Twin engine jet aircraft contrail.
 
 Count Deiro
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[meteorite-list] OT: Hurricane info site

2011-08-27 Thread Rob Matson
An even better site for hurricane tracking information:

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/?index_region=at

--Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

2011-08-27 Thread MexicoDoug

Yes Hurricane Andrew was 1992 !

Some folks weren't as lucky as Mike and its strange how an intense 
storm like Andrew can leave people with a romantic feeling in many such 
ways.  I bet this is related to the feelings of wonder associated with 
meteorites.


In my parents' case, our house was right under the point of first 
landfall and took a direct hit of the category 5 hurricane which showed 
no mercy.  Andrew removed the roof like an easy-open can of sardines.  
Mom and dad took refuge in the bathroom, and I was on a plane as it was 
happening and arrived on the dreadful ground zero driving through a 
morass, within hours from Boston, with a camping stove and lots of 
lobsters and beer, and some water, of course.  It was something they 
never forgot.


The house was completely trashed, 22,500 gallon concrete pool errupted 
2 meters out of the ground, for example.  Changed life a bit since my 
parent came to live with me for two years after Andrew, before they 
were back on their feet.  Attached is a photo of the aftermath from a 
personal point of view, Dad snapped this as I cleaned up one of the 
seventeen large pine trees Andrew snapped with Tunguska force amongst 
all the rubble.


http://www.diogenite.com/andrew.jpg

Kindest wishes
Doug




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From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
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Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene


Yes, sorry... 
I thought it was 1993, mistyped, but it was 1992. 
I went to Miami a couple days after Andrew. 
Some parts, especially poor neighborhoods with 
trailers etc... were devastated. 
 
Michael 
 
 
From: meteoriteguy.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:36 PM 
To: Michael Bross 
Cc: Mal Bishop ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene 
 
Andrew was august 92. 
Met my wife the day after it, getting on an ARMY ship in Tampa. Was 
supposed to fly to Key West that day. Of course that would have been a 
rough flight. Drove to Tampa and met the ship which had fled the keys 
to Tampa ahead of the storm. 

Fun times. 
 
Sent from my iPhone 
 
On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net 
wrote: 

 

Thank you Mal and everyone 
 
The site looks good. 
I am using : 


(http://www.news12.com/weather/weather_main.jsp?section=weather_today_ton
ight®ion_name=LI) 

which is a local news channel 
 
Irene is downgraded to category 1, but... it is so huge (500 miles 

wide) 

that big flooding can be expected, comment from someone who lived 
Andrew in Miami in 1983 
 
best wishes to all !!! 
Michael 
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Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test

2011-08-27 Thread Dave Gheesling
Michael  All,

Dr. Wasson submitted his classification of the Conception Junction pallasite
(PMG) to the Nomenclature Committee last month, and presumably it will be
posted to the Meteorite Bulletin before long.  Since much of this
information is not publicly available at the moment, please find below an
excerpt from Dr. Wasson's contribution to the monograph.  He also complied
an interesting chart for comparative analysis, but I'm not sure how to post
that information with plain text.  Anyway, hope this helps answer some of
the good questions that have been posted:

The information I report here shows there is no main-group pallasite that
is closely related to Conception Junction.  Conception Junction is unique.

If I compare Conception Junction with other main group pallasites (PMG)
with Au contents within 10% of that in Conception Junction (i.e. in the
range 2.0 to 2.5 mg/g Au), only Seymchan and PCA 91004 have Ir
concentrations within a factor of two of that in Conception Junction.

If I sort on Ir, I find that there is no other PMG among the 40 that I have
studied that has a closely similar Ir value.  The nearest are Pescora
Escarpment 91004 (0.76 mg/g Ir), Seymchan (0.67 mg/g) and Barcis, a scarcely
studied Russian PMG (0.32 mg/g Ir).

The Co content of this sample is high (6.0 mg/g). If I sort my PMG data on
the basis of Co, I find that there are three irons with higher Co, namely
Krasnojarsk, Rawlinna 001 and one sample of Phillips County, and a couple
more that are slightly lower, namely Springwater and Zaisho.

The Ni content is also rather low, as is shown in the chart below comparing
Conception Junction to PCA 91004, Seymchan, Barcis and Krasnojarsk.

In summary, the composition of the metal in Conception Junction differs
from all other known pallasites.

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com
www.conceptionjunctionpallasite.com
 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:04 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Michael Fowler
Subject: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test



Wasson's statement that: 

.there is no main-group pallasite that is closely related to Conception
Junction. Conception Junction is unique. 

leaves open the question at to what is the classification?  Is it ungrouped,
or perhaps, main group anomalous?

I would be most interested to know the major and trace element analysis so I
could form my own opinion.


Sincerely, 

Mike Fowler
Chicago

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Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test

2011-08-27 Thread meteoritefinder
Way to go, Karl, Dave, and Robert! That's great. A big congrats to you guys as 
well!
Robert Woolard

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On Aug 27, 2011, at 5:46 AM, Karl Aston stlouismeteori...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear List,
 
 Dave Gheesling, Robert Ward and I have introduced a new pallasite to
 the meteorite community:
 Conception Junction, Missouri.
 Information about North America's 20th pallasite can be found here:
 
 www.conceptionjunctionpallasite.com
 
 I was unable to post earlier due to incorrect email settings and I am
 reposting this link as a test.
 
 Thanks... and enjoy this beautiful meteorite !!
 Karl Aston
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[meteorite-list] Conception Junction now in MetBull

2011-08-27 Thread Bob King
A new arrival: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=53877
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Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test

2011-08-27 Thread Jeff Grossman
I released it just now: 
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=53877


Jeff

On 8/27/2011 7:50 PM, Dave Gheesling wrote:

Michael  All,

Dr. Wasson submitted his classification of the Conception Junction pallasite
(PMG) to the Nomenclature Committee last month, and presumably it will be
posted to the Meteorite Bulletin before long.  Since much of this
information is not publicly available at the moment, please find below an
excerpt from Dr. Wasson's contribution to the monograph.  He also complied
an interesting chart for comparative analysis, but I'm not sure how to post
that information with plain text.  Anyway, hope this helps answer some of
the good questions that have been posted:

The information I report here shows there is no main-group pallasite that
is closely related to Conception Junction.  Conception Junction is unique.

If I compare Conception Junction with other main group pallasites (PMG)
with Au contents within 10% of that in Conception Junction (i.e. in the
range 2.0 to 2.5 mg/g Au), only Seymchan and PCA 91004 have Ir
concentrations within a factor of two of that in Conception Junction.

If I sort on Ir, I find that there is no other PMG among the 40 that I have
studied that has a closely similar Ir value.  The nearest are Pescora
Escarpment 91004 (0.76 mg/g Ir), Seymchan (0.67 mg/g) and Barcis, a scarcely
studied Russian PMG (0.32 mg/g Ir).

The Co content of this sample is high (6.0 mg/g). If I sort my PMG data on
the basis of Co, I find that there are three irons with higher Co, namely
Krasnojarsk, Rawlinna 001 and one sample of Phillips County, and a couple
more that are slightly lower, namely Springwater and Zaisho.

The Ni content is also rather low, as is shown in the chart below comparing
Conception Junction to PCA 91004, Seymchan, Barcis and Krasnojarsk.

In summary, the composition of the metal in Conception Junction differs
from all other known pallasites.

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com
www.conceptionjunctionpallasite.com


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Cc: Michael Fowler
Subject: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test



Wasson's statement that:

.there is no main-group pallasite that is closely related to Conception
Junction. Conception Junction is unique.

leaves open the question at to what is the classification?  Is it ungrouped,
or perhaps, main group anomalous?

I would be most interested to know the major and trace element analysis so I
could form my own opinion.


Sincerely,

Mike Fowler
Chicago

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

2011-08-27 Thread Darryl Pitt



Hiya, 

Currently light rain in Manhattan coming in bands

As it regards by FAR the single best site to track any major storm in our 
neighborhood

NOAA  [National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration]

Here is the satellite imagery link

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/huecvs.html

The link for new advisories is at the top of the IRENE page as in PUBLIC 
ADVISORY #28

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/280053.shtml

Here is the IRENE page:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/#IRENE

Here is the hurricane page with cool links.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/


All best /d 




On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Matthias Bärmann wrote:

 
 Hi Michael,
 
 I've friends in NYC too, even close to Hudson River - last news were that 
 they got evacuated. I'm with them in my thoughts and wish not only them but 
 all citizens of and around Big Apple all the best.
 
 Have a try here: http://edition.cnn.com/
 
 Best,
 Matthias
 
 - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
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 Hello everyone
 
 I have dear friends in NY and Long Island.
 Do someone know a truly reliable website to follow Irene ?
 
 Thank you very much !
 Michael B.
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[meteorite-list] re my recent geoablation posts with inefficient URLs, here are corrected URLs, focused on evidence: Rich Murray 2011.08.27

2011-08-27 Thread Rich Murray
re my recent geoablation posts with inefficient URLs, here are
corrected URLs, focused on evidence: Rich Murray 2011.08.27


10 m broken rock hill with black glazes, W of Rancho Alegre Road, S of
Coyote Trail, W of Hwy 14, S of Santa Fe, New Mexico,
tour of 50 photos 1 MB size each via DropBox:
Rich Murray 2011.07.28 2011.08.03
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/08/10-m-broken-rock-hill-with-black-glazes.html
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/08/35479730-106085926-1865-km-el-top-10-m.html
photos 3-5 of 50
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/92


vast geoablation in Argentina, craters from SW to NE -- Cox re
Boslough bursts: Rich Murray 2011.07.31
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/07/vast-geoablation-in-argentina-craters.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/91


unique erratic 3 m rock, complex mixed composition, and many possibly
related airburst features W of Vaughn, New Mexico:
Dennis Cox: Rich Murray 2010.11.26
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/11/unique-erratic-3-m-rock-complex-mixed.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/78
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/11/blog-post_27.html
12 photos of 3 m erratic rock 09-NOV-10 11:10:48 WP128 3 m rock,
34.600080 -105.342566 1.900 km el,
just S of SR 60 US 285, 8 km W of SR 54,
15 km W of Vaughn, NM, 57 km E of Laguna Del Perro impact field,
unique erratic 3 m rock, complex mixed composition.


Richat Structure, Mauritania -- Cox geoablation via Boslough comet
fragment air burst directed 6,000 K high pressure directed jets: Rich
Murray 2011.08.17
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011/08/richat-structure-mauritania-cox.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/93

geoablation may have formed and/or glazed this rise from .405 to .480
km -- any samples of this putative blue-black glaze?
20.942700   -11.574150


unique erratic 3 m rock, complex mixed composition, and many possibly
related airburst features W of Vaughn, New Mexico: Dennis Cox: Rich
Murray 2010.11.26
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/11/unique-erratic-3-m-rock-complex-mixed.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/78

http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/11/blog-post_27.html
12 photos of 3 m erratic rock
09-NOV-10 11:10:48 WP128 3 m rock,
34.600080 -105.342566 1.900 km el,
just S of SR 60 US 285, 8 km W of SR 54,
15 km W of Vaughn, NM,
57 km E of Laguna Del Perro impact field,
unique erratic 3 m rock,
complex mixed composition.


Impact melt formation by low-altitude airburst processes, evidence from
small terrestrial craters and numerical modeling, H E Newsom  MBE Boslough
2008 Mar 2p abstract: Rich Murray 2010.11.17
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/11/impact-melt-formation-by-low-altitude.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/73


3 times more downward energy from directed force of meteor airburst in 3D
simulations by Mark B. E. Boslough, Sandia Lab 2007.12.17: Rich Murray
2010.08.30
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/08/3-times-more-downward-energy-from.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/63


expert geologists discuss Spade Ranch crater, 170 km SE of Lubbock, .4
km size, 2 fine Colorado City Record articles with photos: Charles E.
Porter: Michael Makowsky: Rich Murray 2010.08.26
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/08/expert-geologists-discuss-spade-ranch.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/61



ground views of over 100 .1-.5 km shallow (ice comet fragment bursts)
craters, Bajada del Diablo, Argentina (.78-.13 Ma BP) [42.87 S 67.47 W]
Rogelio D Acevedo et al, Geomorphology 2009 Sept: Rich Murray 2010.03.28
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010/03/ground-views-of-over-100-1-5-km-shallow.html
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/47

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2009/09/11/mega_meteorite_mystery/

1-3 Bajada del Diablo, AR, Rogelio D Acevedo 2009 608X456 .139 MB
100_2064-thumb-608x456.jpg
1 of 3 photos


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[meteorite-list] Conception Junction approved

2011-08-27 Thread Laurence Garvie
For those that are interested, Conception Junction was approved today.

see
www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=53877

Laurence
CMS
ASU
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