Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video
Howdy List, While the 'big depression' on the Vestan south pole has been a major focus...what about those wild grooves??? I see visions of a spinning Vesta grinding against another twin, gouging grooves in a dancea low gravity parlay perhaps analogous to a high-school bump and grind, the two spinning against each otherwhich begs the obvious question: where is the partner in grind?? Should we not expect to eventually find trailing remnants of both in those tell-tale grooves? -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: To: "Mike Hankey" Cc: "meteoritelist" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video Hi Mike: I assume that you meant to say slick (hope that I am not putting words in your mouth). I have played this video several times and it is clear how much can be said about Vesta by the narrator without giving any scientific interpretation of it! I realize that there is always the mandate that little is said without an official press release or the published papers with the first results, but to say only that there is a "depression" at the south pole, a huge crater (known for many years) and probably the main source of most HED meteorites, leaves one wanting for at least some interpretation of what one is seeing. Larry i didn't see this posted to the list yet. pretty sick video. http://www.space.com/12998-asteroid-vesta-video-nasa-dawn-spacecraft.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Alert
This should make an excellent test for the skycam networks and any other tracking networks out there. I sure hope someone catches a view of it and reports it. Great training and practice exercise for all ...not to mention playing hide and seek with NASA with parts found! ;) Jim Wooddell - Original Message - From: "Marc Fries" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Alert It will perfectly bullseye San Diego if it hangs up there until 1759 UTC on the 25th. If I had a yard I'd be out buying a trampoline... On 9/20/11 4:34 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: Hi Dirk! With that said, there is a website called Heavens Above (if you do not know about it you can Google it.) You can sign in and input your coordinates and it will give you times and the path of UARS. Unless is fries, for me it will be in the dark on the 23rd. Cheers, Jim Wooddell - Original Message - From: "drtanuki" To: ; "Global Meteor Observing Forum" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Alert Dear List Members: The is a good chance for some large fireballs within the next 9-10 days. Also, don`t forget to keep an eye out for the UARS on/around 23SEP2011. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/09/breaking-news-neos-close-approach.html Best Catching, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Alert
It will perfectly bullseye San Diego if it hangs up there until 1759 UTC on the 25th. If I had a yard I'd be out buying a trampoline... On 9/20/11 4:34 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: Hi Dirk! With that said, there is a website called Heavens Above (if you do not know about it you can Google it.) You can sign in and input your coordinates and it will give you times and the path of UARS. Unless is fries, for me it will be in the dark on the 23rd. Cheers, Jim Wooddell - Original Message - From: "drtanuki" To: ; "Global Meteor Observing Forum" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Alert Dear List Members: The is a good chance for some large fireballs within the next 9-10 days. Also, don`t forget to keep an eye out for the UARS on/around 23SEP2011. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/09/breaking-news-neos-close-approach.html Best Catching, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] UARS Satellite to Re-Enter Earth's Atmosphere This Week
Space Weather News for Sept. 20, 2011 http://spaceweather.com UARS, a NASA satellite the size of a small bus, will re-enter Earth's atmosphere later this week producing a brilliant fireball somewhere over our planet. Best estimates place the re-entry time during the late hours of Sept. 23rd over a still-unknown region of Earth. Observers of the rapidly-decaying satellite say it is tumbling and flashing, sometimes almost as brightly as Venus. Video images featured on today's edition of http://spaceweather.com show how the doomed satellite looks through a backyard telescope. Readers who would like to catch a last glimpse of UARS streaking across the night sky should check SpaceWeather's Satellite Tracker for flyby times: http://spaceweather.com/flybys . You can also turn your smartphone into a UARS tracker by downloading our Simple Flybys app: http://simpleflybys.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Alert
Hi Dirk! With that said, there is a website called Heavens Above (if you do not know about it you can Google it.) You can sign in and input your coordinates and it will give you times and the path of UARS. Unless is fries, for me it will be in the dark on the 23rd. Cheers, Jim Wooddell - Original Message - From: "drtanuki" To: ; "Global Meteor Observing Forum" Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Alert Dear List Members: The is a good chance for some large fireballs within the next 9-10 days. Also, don`t forget to keep an eye out for the UARS on/around 23SEP2011. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/09/breaking-news-neos-close-approach.html Best Catching, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Young Clays on Mars Could Have Been Habitable Regions for Life
NEWS RELEASE FROM THE PLANETARY SCIENCE INSTITUTE FROM: Alan Fischer Public Information Officer Planetary Science Institute 520-382-0411 520-622-6300 fisc...@psi.edu Young Clays on Mars Could Have Been Habitable Regions for Life Sept. 19, 2011, Tucson, Ariz. -- Two small depressions on Mars found to be rich in minerals that formed by water could have been places for life relatively recently in the planet's history, according to a new paper in the journal Geology. "We discovered locations at Noctis Labyrinthus that show many kinds of minerals that formed by water activity," said Catherine Weitz, lead author and senior scientist at the Planetary Science Institute. "The clays we found, called iron/magnesium (Fe/Mg)-smectites, are much younger at Noctis Labyrinthus relative to those found in the ancient rocks on Mars, which indicates a different water environment in these depressions relative to what was happening elsewhere on Mars." Smectites are a specific type of clay mineral that readily expands and contracts with adsorbed water. They contain Silica, plus Aluminum, Iron or Magnesium in their structures. They form by the alteration of other silicate minerals in the presence of non-acidic water. Weitz and her co-authors studied approximately 300 meters of vertically exposed layered rocks within two 30 to 40 kilometer depressions, called troughs, near the western end of the Valles Marineris canyon system. Using high-resolution images from the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera and hyperspectral data from the Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars (CRISM) on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter (MRO) spacecraft, combined with Digital Terrain Models (DTMs) to determine elevations and view geometric relationships between units, the team was able to map hydrated minerals and understand how the water chemistry varied with time within each trough, said Weitz, a HiRISE team member. Each trough probably experienced multiple episodes where water partially filled in low-lying regions and deposited minerals. As each trough continued to enlarge and experience collapse over time, older minerals became buried and separated, followed by deposition of younger minerals, then finally erosion to re-expose buried units. Volcanism from the Tharsis volcanoes to the west may have created subsurface water that was subsequently transported through the ground and into the troughs. Localized volcanism that produced ash and gases, hydrothermal activity, and melting snow/ice within the troughs could have also produced some of the minerals. The observed minerals indicate water varied in pH levels over time, in one trough from acidic to neutral, and in the other trough from neutral to acidic and back to neutral. Other occurrences of Fe/Mg-smectites have been found on Mars but almost exclusively in association with older, Noachian-age (more than 3.6 billion years ago) rocks, or produced by younger impact events. Following the deposition of Fe/Mg-smectites in the Noachian period, the climate on Mars is believed to have changed during the Hesperian time to favor formation of minerals under more acidic conditions, such as salts rich in sulfur (sulfates). Weitz and her co-authors identified the same sulfates and Fe/Mg-smectites in the Noctis Labyrinthus troughs found elsewhere on Mars, but the progression of minerals over time, from sulfates to Fe/Mg-smectites, indicates a reverse order relative to what happened globally across Mars. "These clays formed from persistent water in neutral to basic conditions around 2 to 3 billion years ago, indicating these two troughs are unique and could have been a more habitable region on Mars at a time when drier conditions dominated the surface," said co-author and CRISM team member Janice Bishop from the SETI Institute and NASA AMES Research Center. "These troughs would be fantastic places to send a rover, but unfortunately the rugged terrain makes it unsafe both for landing and for driving," Weitz said. The study was funded by grants to PSI from NASA, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the University of Arizona. CONTACT: Catherine M. Weitz Senior Scientist 520-622-6300, x310 we...@psi.edu __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball Alert
Dear List Members: The is a good chance for some large fireballs within the next 9-10 days. Also, don`t forget to keep an eye out for the UARS on/around 23SEP2011. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/09/breaking-news-neos-close-approach.html Best Catching, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Request for an email address
List, I need a workable email address for Aid Mohamed. Reply off list if you have one. Thank you very much, Thomas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sick defined
The use of "sick" as an adjective is also equivalent to fine, choice, slick, too much, hip, swingin and... bad. Look! Up in the sky! Its a bird..its a plane...Its (fill in the blank.) Guido -Original Message- >From: brian burrer >Sent: Sep 20, 2011 1:55 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Sick defined > >Greetings listers, > >The use of 'sick' as an adjective is equivalent to cool,swell, groovy, >far-out, magnificent etc.. > >Happy hunting, >Brian >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-bereba, seymchan, tamdakht
Just added to my site are a 10g beautifully brecciated slice of Bereba with labels, a very large and fresh 5kg+ crusted Tamdakht for under 1.00/g and some Seymchan pallasite slices with golden olivine. More to follow. http://www.mhmeteorites.com Thanks for looking! Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 Kerf Industries LLC Precision Wire Saw http://www.kerfindustries.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sick defined
Greetings listers, The use of 'sick' as an adjective is equivalent to cool,swell, groovy, far-out, magnificent etc.. Happy hunting, Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new vesta video
Hi Mike: I assume that you meant to say slick (hope that I am not putting words in your mouth). I have played this video several times and it is clear how much can be said about Vesta by the narrator without giving any scientific interpretation of it! I realize that there is always the mandate that little is said without an official press release or the published papers with the first results, but to say only that there is a "depression" at the south pole, a huge crater (known for many years) and probably the main source of most HED meteorites, leaves one wanting for at least some interpretation of what one is seeing. Larry > i didn't see this posted to the list yet. pretty sick video. > > http://www.space.com/12998-asteroid-vesta-video-nasa-dawn-spacecraft.html > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance
Yep, provenance is provenance! I agree, and support Gary´s statement and suggestion! Alex Berlin/Stade, Germany > Provenance is provenance. Museums cut their specimens too, and does not > change the fact of where they came from. A copy of the original label > along with your own of the modified specimen(s) should accompany them > when changing hands in the future. > > gary __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [!! SPAM] Re: Durability of provenance
Hi again, Folks! Exactly, Matt! I have some samples in my collection, which I got from a very famous european collector, which have a museum provenance also. He sold me these samples with hand drawn sketches, which show me how the samples looked like, as he has gotten them from his source and which part I got from them - very interesting. All the Best Ingo P.S. Send this out quite some time ago, but it didn't made it to the list. If this should be become a double I'm sorry for that. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. September 2011 18:52 An: Michael Gilmer; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; valpar...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [!! SPAM] Re: [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance So what happens when the museum cut it? Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 Kerf Industries LLC Precision Wire Saw http://www.kerfindustries.com -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:47:18 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance Hi Paul and List, I would say yes and no. Technically speaking, the material originated from the institutional collection. But, the material has been cut/modified by the dealer, so it is not in the original form that came from the institution. Personally, as a seller, I would disclose up front that the material originated from XXX collection, but has been cut down since then. I'd provide a copy of the original specimen card or label, and a copy of my own label. That way, a potential buyer can decide ahead of time if they still want to purchase the specimen, and if they do, they will have provenance from the original piece and the sliced/cut specimen that came from it. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 9/20/11, valpar...@aol.com wrote: > Hello All. > > Here's a question that's been rolling around in my mind for quite a while. > > Suppose you purchase a 50g meteorite from Joe Dealer and Joe supplies > information that the specimen is "ex Museum of Natural History, New York." > > Then, suppose you cut it in half. > > Are either of the pieces, or both, considered to be "ex Museum of Natural > History, New York?" > > Cheers. > > Paul Swartz > IMCA 5204 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new vesta video
i didn't see this posted to the list yet. pretty sick video. http://www.space.com/12998-asteroid-vesta-video-nasa-dawn-spacecraft.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] GSA meeting details, anyone?
Hi - Does anyone here (Paul?) have the details on the sessions on impact which will be held at the GSA meeting in Minneapolis-St.Paul? Dates, times, presenters? Is anyone here attending? I will have to be in Ohio for a good part of that meeting. Ed __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance
Provenance is provenance. Museums cut their specimens too, and does not change the fact of where they came from. A copy of the original label along with your own of the modified specimen(s) should accompany them when changing hands in the future. gary On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:11 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: > Hello All. > > Here's a question that's been rolling around in my mind for quite a while. > > Suppose you purchase a 50g meteorite from Joe Dealer and Joe supplies > information that the specimen is "ex Museum of Natural History, New York." > > Then, suppose you cut it in half. > > Are either of the pieces, or both, considered to be "ex Museum of Natural > History, New York?" > > Cheers. > > Paul Swartz > IMCA 5204 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PT extinction
Hi Paul - Interesting links, but as we now know, volcanism and impact are not necessarily unrelated. See the recent work on the Shiva impact for more on this. Ed __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance
Hi All, Paul has asked.." Are either of the pieces, or both, considered to be "ex Museum of Natural History...?" In my zeal to accumulate a cabinet of meteorite types...all with provenance if offered and available..I have purchased several hundred in the past three years. Many were fragments, or slices, from stones originating out of other collections than the one offering. For example. A Nakhla individual, minus .5 grams used by the original recipient from the Museum for testing purposes. The remaining 2.1 grams that I purchased from an institution of higher learning had the paperwork showing its provenance was the "British Museum of Natural History". The fact that it had been held by another scientist and then the university didn't change it's pedigree in my eyes. I consider any portion of a specimen that was logged in, or recorded as being in, a collection..perhaps several consecutive collectionsm or dealer inventories... as being properly described if it so represented. I do ask for documents, or copies of documents supporting the claim of provenance and chain of possesion. This has been my experience so far... Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: valpar...@aol.com >Sent: Sep 20, 2011 9:11 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance > >Hello All. > >Here's a question that's been rolling around in my mind for quite a while. > >Suppose you purchase a 50g meteorite from Joe Dealer and Joe supplies >information that the specimen is "ex Museum of Natural History, New York." > >Then, suppose you cut it in half. > >Are either of the pieces, or both, considered to be "ex Museum of Natural >History, New York?" > >Cheers. > >Paul Swartz >IMCA 5204 >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [!! SPAM] Durability of provenance
Hi Paul! In my opinion: Yes, of course! You can give an additional information to the label you create for your collection (or for sale) and provide the sample you want to give away with a copy of the original label you/or/and Joe got from the MNH NY. The proof of the origin and history of the piece are well documented in this case and that's, what is important. Cheers! Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von valpar...@aol.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. September 2011 18:11 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [!! SPAM] [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance Hello All. Here's a question that's been rolling around in my mind for quite a while. Suppose you purchase a 50g meteorite from Joe Dealer and Joe supplies information that the specimen is "ex Museum of Natural History, New York." Then, suppose you cut it in half. Are either of the pieces, or both, considered to be "ex Museum of Natural History, New York?" Cheers. Paul Swartz IMCA 5204 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance
So what happens when the museum cut it? Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 Kerf Industries LLC Precision Wire Saw http://www.kerfindustries.com -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:47:18 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Durability of provenance Hi Paul and List, I would say yes and no. Technically speaking, the material originated from the institutional collection. But, the material has been cut/modified by the dealer, so it is not in the original form that came from the institution. Personally, as a seller, I would disclose up front that the material originated from XXX collection, but has been cut down since then. I'd provide a copy of the original specimen card or label, and a copy of my own label. That way, a potential buyer can decide ahead of time if they still want to purchase the specimen, and if they do, they will have provenance from the original piece and the sliced/cut specimen that came from it. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 9/20/11, valpar...@aol.com wrote: > Hello All. > > Here's a question that's been rolling around in my mind for quite a while. > > Suppose you purchase a 50g meteorite from Joe Dealer and Joe supplies > information that the specimen is "ex Museum of Natural History, New York." > > Then, suppose you cut it in half. > > Are either of the pieces, or both, considered to be "ex Museum of Natural > History, New York?" > > Cheers. > > Paul Swartz > IMCA 5204 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - 54 Auctions Ending - Super Low Prices!
Dear List Members, Just a quick note to let you know I have 54 auctions ending tonight. All were started at just 99 cents with no reserve. I am going to move onto buy-it-now and store type sales in a few months instead of the auction style format so you may want to take advantage of these super low prices while you still can. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck, Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Durability of provenance
Hello All. Here's a question that's been rolling around in my mind for quite a while. Suppose you purchase a 50g meteorite from Joe Dealer and Joe supplies information that the specimen is "ex Museum of Natural History, New York." Then, suppose you cut it in half. Are either of the pieces, or both, considered to be "ex Museum of Natural History, New York?" Cheers. Paul Swartz IMCA 5204 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Millbillillie 169g and eBay auctions
Dear List Members, I have a nice Millbillillie 169g, 100% crusted! https://picasaweb.google.com/10086119851742847/Millbillillie169g?authkey=Gv1sRgCMGf1cTB-Pur6AE# All details on email : illae...@gmail.com Also few auction ending soon: http://www.ebay.com/sch/meteoritepoland/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 All the best Tomasz Jakubowski IMCA #2321 -- Free Tibet __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Acid Oceans, Not Asteroid Impacts, Contributed to Permian – Triassic Extinctions
Recent research indicates that acid oceans, not asteroid impacts, likely contributed to Earth’s worst mass extinction. Go look at: Ancient Acidic Ocean a Killer by Emily Sohn, Discovery News, http://news.discovery.com/earth/ocean-acidification-110907.html Acid oceans helped fuel mass extinction by Alexandra Witze, Science News, Sept 5, 2011, http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/333995/title/Acid_oceans_helped_fuel_mass_extinction The paper is: Montenegro, A., P. Spence, K. J. Meissner, M. Eby, M. J. Melchin, and S. T. Johnston, 2011, Climate simulations of the Permian-Triassic boundary: Ocean acidification and the extinction event, Paleoceanography, 26, PA3207, doi:10.1029/2010PA002058. Abstract at http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2010PA002058.shtml Dr. Peter Ward has published a book that discusses decades of published research, which he has conducted into the Permian- Triassic mass extinctions. It is: Ward, P. D., 2008, Under a Green Sky. Harper-Collins Books. 242 pp. ISBN 978-0-06-163163-4 It is an excellent, entertaining, and thoughtful book about the Permian-Triassic mass extinctions that is well written for the lay public. I highly recommend it. Related articled are: Earth science: Lethal volcanism by Paul B. Wignall, Nature. vol. 477, no. 7364, pp. 285–286. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v477/n7364/full/477285a.html Large Igneous Provinces and Mass Extinctions by , David Bressan, Scientific American, Sept. 16, 2011, http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/history-of-geology/2011/09/16/large-igneous-provinces-and-mass-extinctions/ Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
