[meteorite-list] AD: Nova petropolis etched slice
Hello all, Have put on ebay a very nice etched slice of the Nova Petrolis iron from Brazil: http://www.ebay.com/itm/330643238844?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Thanks Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Icebergs on Europa
Apparently there are volcanos under the ice causing the icebergs: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/theory-of-subsurface-lakes-boost-hopes-for-life-on-jupiters-moon-europa/2011/11/16/gIQADp8hRN_story.html?hpid=z2 Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Congratulations!
Congratulations Bob & Moni ! I wish you very best! By the way, you two were among the very first people that I "met" when I first got involved in this wicked hobby! Your early words of support and encouragement still mean a lot. Best regards, Charley Butterfield "Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants !" Hannibal > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:45:12 +0100 > From: "karmaka" > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] November Issue of Meteorite Times now up > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Cc: Robert Verish > Message-ID: <1rqrke-2ha8...@fwd04.aul.t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > CONGRATULATIONS, Bob & Moni !!! > > 11.11.11 > > ... and on top of that on my name day ;-) > > It was very nice meeting you in Ensisheim this year! > > All my very best wishes to you > > Martin > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ALL slices do have METAL Flakes - of the Superior Lodranite NWA 6659
Hello again, And sorry for the little explanation, but for not all jumping on the 5.013g and the 4.397g-slices, respectively being disappointed, that those are gone: ALL slices do have the same amount of metal flakes and blebs! It's only not so well visible, as we photographed only two with an angle of the light, that the metal flakes are reflecting. All slices are the same wonderful! http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa6659.html And when we are just at addendums... The unpaired new fresh Martian with that fantastic texture, where we perhaps made the mistake to introduce it with too soberly chosen attributes last week. NWA 6963. There we would invite those, who'd still need a smaller sample than those slices currently left, to inform us, which weight they prefer - for us to pre-plan, what and how we still have to cut or to divide into smaller sections. http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa6369-2.html and http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa6369.html Many thanks in advance! Martin & Stefan Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sale Ad ; Moapa Valley CM1 thin section
Hi All , I have placed a Moapa Valley CM1 thin section on my web page for sale. Here is the link. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_Sale_page_1_2.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holocene Extinctions and Missoula Flood
Holocene Extinctions and Missoula Floods E.P. Grondine wrote: “I see from today's news that many people are still confused by the extinctions caused by the Holocene Start Impacts. Its really pretty easy, as Elephants need 450 pounds of food a day.” Perhaps the following will explain it better. Good hunting, all - E.P. Grondine, Man and Impact in the Americas” THE WASHINGTON SCABLANDS AND ASSINIBOINE IMPACT ACCOUNTS Several posters here are interested in Harlan Bretz and the spread of his catastrophist hypothesis for the formation of the Washington scablands. Currently, while all geologists agree that the scablands were formed by catastrophic flooding, there is debate over whether they were caused by the release of one or multiple lakes and exactly when the flooding(s) occurred.” The above debate, which mentioned above, is imaginary in nature. First, the age of the latest Missouri Flood is well established by both radiocarbon dates and well-dated volcanic ash beds from Mt. St. Helens. Wood fragment from the lower-middle part of the Missoula Flood deposits in Sanpoil Valley yielded a radiocarbon date of 14,490 14Cyr B.P. A 14,000 year old volcanic “set-S” ash from Mount St. Helens overlies at least 28 giant-flood rhythmites and underlies eleven giant-flood rhythmites in southern Washington. Organic matter recovered from within and below the Missoula flood deposits in the Columbia Gorge yielded three dates between 15,000 and 13,700 14Cyr B.P. These and other dates clearly indicate that catastrophic flooding occurred at multiple times during a period of time between 15,700–13,500 14Cyr B.P. (Booth et al. 2004). The Missoula Flood clearly predate and are, thus, unrelated to any hypothetical terminal Pleistocene or Holocene impact event. As noted above, the Missoula Flood deposits are thousands of years too old to be associated with such an impact. In addition, the detailed study of sedimentology of the flood deposits demonstrates that the catastrophic flooding from glacial Lake Missoula occurred every few decades to years. This is comparable to the frequency in glacier-outburst floods (jokulhlaups) associated with modern Icelandic glaciers (Booth et al. 2004). The occurrence of multiple catastrophic Missoula Flood events over a period of approximately 2,000 years definitely refutes any notion that the Missoula Flood is associated with a single impact event of any age. A single impact would only have created a single catastrophic flood. It would have been quite impossible for a single impact of any age to have created multiple flood events over a 2,000 year period of time as has been well documented in the published literature. References Cited Booth, D. B., K. G. Troost, J. J. Clague, and R. B. Waitt, 2004, The Cordilleran Ice Sheet. in A. Gillespie, S. C. , Porter, and B. Atwater, eds., pp. 17-24, The Quaternary Period in the United States: International Union for Quaternary Research, Elsevier Press, New York. http://faculty.washington.edu/dbooth/Ch_02_INQUA_volume.pdf https://catalyst.uw.edu/workspace/file/download/0808b306b9967a473ab1851d477a4a35b0f79990349e2dc5d3eb3c7bfeb12668?inline=1 Also, go see: O'Conner, J., and R. Waitt, 1994, Beyond the Channeled Scabland: A field trip· to look at Missoula Flood Features in the Columbia, Yakima and Walla Walli valleys of Washington and Oregon. Friends of the Pleistocene 1st Pacific Northwest Cell Meeting May 13-15, 1994. U.S. Geological Survey, Vancouver, Washington. http://www.scribd.com/doc/24574508/Channeled-Scabland-A-field-trip%C2%B7-to-look-at-Missoula-Flood E.P. Grondine also stated: “Of course, as oil companies have for years been drilling cores off the coast of Washington, those questions could be readily answered, except that those cores are proprietary.” Oil company cores will likely tell use nothing about the Missoula Flood as the deposits that would contain deposits from the Missoula Flood are too young to be of any interest to them. They would simply drilled through such surficial sediments any only start coring once they got to the oil-bearing strata. In addition, petroleum seismic is not designed to image shallow strata, which are of no interest to oil companies. However, research by marine geologists using cores and seismic data have identified and mapped thick turbidite deposits consisting of material from the Missoula Flood that was flushed down the Astoria Fan on the Oregon continental margin. The vast majority of this research, including cores, is not proprietary. This research is discussed in a number of published papers, including: Brunner, C. A., W. R. Normark, G. G. Zuffa, and F. Serra, 1999, Deep-sea sedimentary record of the late Wisconsin cataclysmic floods from the Columbia River. Geology. vol. 27, no. 5, pp. 463-466. http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/27/5/463 Normark, W. R., and J. A. Reid, 2003, Extensive Deposits on the Pacific Plate
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: NWA 6659 prov. - Superior Lodranite
Great specimen, but any photos of entire mass ? :) Dear meteorite friends, in our weekly Special we're able this time to present you a wonderful dainty: NWA 6659 - a Lodranite! Lodranites are counted among the absolutely rarest classes a meteorite collector can have in his cabinet and a meteoricist in his lab. Currently the Meteorite Bulletin Database accounts for only 32 lodranitic numbers with a combined weight of 9.39kg (15 of them with 1.14kg yielded the Antarctic campaigns of the last 35 years). And 9 numbers not otherwise specified as belonging to the acapulcoite-lodranite family with 0.33kg (7 Antarctics) - making the lodranites to a much rarer type than any lunar meteorite. Let us say as long-time established meteorite offerers, that it was the NWA-complex of the recent decade, which brought the lodranites at all in the range of the collector and a certain variety of finds into the research institutes. A check of our global price compilation of the season ten years ago only (660 different meteorites, 92 offerers - currently available in the German meteorite forum), gives, that the only chance to get a lodranite was then to acquire micromounts of Lodran, priced at an average of 38,400$ a gram and that among the related acapulcoites, the collector had only the choice between Acapulco (average 1408$/g) and Monument Draw (1016$/g). Lodranites and acapulcoites share common ground and are generic relatives from the same parent body, which seems to have had consisted of a CM or CI-like precursor material. The main differences between these types is the lack of plagioclase in the lodranites and the larger grain-sizes than the acapulcoites display, hence indicating that lodranites underwent during their melt phase higher temperatures and a different cooling period, stemming from deeper layers than the acapulcoites. However, as enigmatic that group perhaps still might be - it are just the very recent years with these new desert finds, which lead science to develop a better understanding of the composition and the complex thermal history of the acapulcoite-lodranite parent body. A perfect overview of the brand-new models and hypotheses you will find on David Weir's meteorite studies pages. The perhaps a little provocative title of this Special we chose, because most lodranitic specimens in our collections are recruited from the large pairing group, which was revised from ACAP to LOD and where we once all tried to put the numbers together here on the list (NWA 2565/2714/2866 seqq.) And we regard NWA 6659 as definitely more comely. It is better preserved than the old group, which had weathering grades of W3 and W3-4. Not only the crystals of NWA 6659 are still relatively fresh-looking - it has even here and there some metal grains and of course: Yes - the so highly desired Triple Junctions superabound. All slices were grinded and polished successively with 6 different grits; and you find them here: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa6659.html Regarding the statistics from above, keeping in mind, that the Great Desert Area is coming to an end and emphasizing that we price NWA 6659 at the lowest edge of the lodranite spectrum, we think, that these specimens are not only of highest interest for the advanced collector, but would wholeheartedly commend them as an excellent choice also for the beginning meteorite enthusiast, as one-and-only specimen for having an perfect representative, once and for all, of that fascinating and so exceedingly rare class. Best regards, Stefan & Martin Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Special: NWA 6659 prov. - Superior Lodranite
Dear meteorite friends, in our weekly Special we're able this time to present you a wonderful dainty: NWA 6659 - a Lodranite! Lodranites are counted among the absolutely rarest classes a meteorite collector can have in his cabinet and a meteoricist in his lab. Currently the Meteorite Bulletin Database accounts for only 32 lodranitic numbers with a combined weight of 9.39kg (15 of them with 1.14kg yielded the Antarctic campaigns of the last 35 years). And 9 numbers not otherwise specified as belonging to the acapulcoite-lodranite family with 0.33kg (7 Antarctics) - making the lodranites to a much rarer type than any lunar meteorite. Let us say as long-time established meteorite offerers, that it was the NWA-complex of the recent decade, which brought the lodranites at all in the range of the collector and a certain variety of finds into the research institutes. A check of our global price compilation of the season ten years ago only (660 different meteorites, 92 offerers - currently available in the German meteorite forum), gives, that the only chance to get a lodranite was then to acquire micromounts of Lodran, priced at an average of 38,400$ a gram and that among the related acapulcoites, the collector had only the choice between Acapulco (average 1408$/g) and Monument Draw (1016$/g). Lodranites and acapulcoites share common ground and are generic relatives from the same parent body, which seems to have had consisted of a CM or CI-like precursor material. The main differences between these types is the lack of plagioclase in the lodranites and the larger grain-sizes than the acapulcoites display, hence indicating that lodranites underwent during their melt phase higher temperatures and a different cooling period, stemming from deeper layers than the acapulcoites. However, as enigmatic that group perhaps still might be - it are just the very recent years with these new desert finds, which lead science to develop a better understanding of the composition and the complex thermal history of the acapulcoite-lodranite parent body. A perfect overview of the brand-new models and hypotheses you will find on David Weir's meteorite studies pages. The perhaps a little provocative title of this Special we chose, because most lodranitic specimens in our collections are recruited from the large pairing group, which was revised from ACAP to LOD and where we once all tried to put the numbers together here on the list (NWA 2565/2714/2866 seqq.) And we regard NWA 6659 as definitely more comely. It is better preserved than the old group, which had weathering grades of W3 and W3-4. Not only the crystals of NWA 6659 are still relatively fresh-looking - it has even here and there some metal grains and of course: Yes - the so highly desired Triple Junctions superabound. All slices were grinded and polished successively with 6 different grits; and you find them here: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/specials/special-nwa6659.html Regarding the statistics from above, keeping in mind, that the Great Desert Area is coming to an end and emphasizing that we price NWA 6659 at the lowest edge of the lodranite spectrum, we think, that these specimens are not only of highest interest for the advanced collector, but would wholeheartedly commend them as an excellent choice also for the beginning meteorite enthusiast, as one-and-only specimen for having an perfect representative, once and for all, of that fascinating and so exceedingly rare class. Best regards, Stefan & Martin Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holocene Extinctions
Hi all -
I see from today's news that many people are still confused by the extinctions
caused by the Holocene Start Impacts. Its really pretty easy, as Elephants need
450 pounds of food a day.
Perhaps the following will explain it better.
Good hunting, all -
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
THE WASHINGTON SCABLANDS AND ASSINIBOINE IMPACT ACCOUNTS
Several posters here are interested in Harlan Bretz and the spread of his
catastrophist hypothesis for the formation of the Washington sacablands.
Currently, while all geologists agree that the scablands were formed by
catastrophic flooding, there is debate over whether they were caused by the
release of one or multiple lakes and exactly when the flooding(s) occurred. Of
course, as oil companies have for years been drilling cores off the coast of
Washington, those questions could be readily answered, except that those cores
are proprietary.
I spent some time reading through Adrienne Mayor's book "Fossil Legends of the
First Americans" recently. It turns out that the Assiniboine (Nakota) may have
remembered at least one of those floods. Mayor's book is pretty good, and she
nearly succeeds in spanning the two worlds, but sadly she did not realize that
the peoples remembered impacts, and thus failed to entirely grasp fundamental
concepts like "uktena" and "tlanwa". Mayor also retells the traditions with her
intense interest in fossils coloring her retellings, and it is tough using her
book to locate the original traditions as they were first shared. However, that
said, it is a pretty good book.
THE NAKOTA (ASSINIBOINE) ACCOUNTS IN MAYOR'S RETELLING
Fragment 1:
"One Assiniboine name for bones of monstrous size was "Wau-wau-kah". This was a
"half spirit, half animal" imagined as a great river monster with long
black[?]hair, scales, and horns like trees.
"Myth [tradition - epg] tells of its death by the impact of a "thunder stone",
a black ["black" due to the ablated surfaces of the meteorites which the Nakota
later collected. - epg], projectile that came whistling out of the west with
"terrible velocity", "defeaning noise", and "a bright flash" - a scenario that
seems akin to the modern theory of an asteroid impact 65 million years ago
[Mayor gets very close here - epg]. "My bones may be found", warned the Water
Monster Wau-wau-kah, but unless the Assiniboines made offerings to its spirit,
the monster vowed to create disastrous floods and block their trails with its
colossal bones."
Fragment 2:
"A tale [tradition - epg] of the antagonism between Thunder and Water Monsters
was recounted by an Assiniboine story teller [tradition keeper - epg] (perhaps
Coming Day? - AM) in 1909 at Fort Belknap.
"Long ago, some Sioux and Assiniboines camping at a big lake witnessed a battle
between Thunder Bird and a Water Monster on an island in the lake."
The storyteller's grandmother had told him that: "as the Thunder Bird drew the
writhing monster up from the island, the Indians' hair and their horses manes,
[a non-temporal insertion? - epg] stood on end from the electricity.
["electricity" is another non-temporal insertion. Perhaps it may also be a
modern simple telling of a large electrophorenic effect from the impactors
entries. In regards to the "horses manes", it needs to be noted that a rider on
a horse in the plains is a high point that will attract lightening, much as a
golfer standing on a gold course will, and thus it was very important to know
the signs of an impending lightening strike.]
"The Thunder Bird's lightening ignited raging forest fires; then a long
terrible blizzard followed; and still later the lake bed dried up and many
kinds of animals perished there."
"The raging forest fires" were likely caused by the infrared of multiple
impacts. "the long terrible blizzard" describes the a standard severe climate
collapse caused by atmospheric impact dust loading.
"the Lake" of the Assiniboine is as yet unlocated; perhaps it was Lake Agassiz,
but much more likely it was a glacial lake much further south ("forest fires").
Why did that lake dry up? Either its ice damn failed ("disasterous floods",
above), or there was a lack of precipitation due to a cooling of the
temperature of the Pacific Current.
"The many kinds of animals" likely perished due to lack of food, a famine which
appears as a common element in many of the First Peoples' memories of the
Holocene Start Impacts.
END
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