Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no lunar falls? and freshest lunar?)
But is was more than a decade later that Viking got evidence that made them realize what they hadwould the investigations have been different if they had known...or am I completely wrong with that? Graham On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Indeed Zagami had an even shorter terrestrial age when first recovered and analyzed in laboratories around the world than the new Martian shergottite. What was missing were the suite of analytical technology today that can provide far greater insight into the meteorite that were not available in 1962, particularly in short-lived radionuclides. gary On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Zagami has and even shorter terrestrial age and has been in ample supply for study for the last 50 years. Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no lunar falls? and freshest lunar?) Hi Shawn and List, It is true that science has access to dozens(!) of Martian meteorites, but all of them have been sitting on Earth for thousands of years and they have experienced alteration and oxidation during that long wait for discovery. This is the first Martian (or any planetary) that has a terrestrial age measured in months. That is exciting. It is so pristine and fresh, that scientists should be very keen to research it. Due to it's lack of oxidation and alteration, it is the next best thing to sample recovery mission. Imagine how much it would cost to bring back a sizeable sample from Mars. Mother Nature just saved science billions of dollars. :) Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 1/14/12, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: MikeG Listers MikeG you said I probably should have clarified - the 21st century. So basically the last ~12 years. It's hard to find a fall (pun intended) in the last 12 years that is more important (overall) than this Martian. In terms of scientific value, Tagish Lake is probably high on the list of the most important in the 21st century. I would have to agree on Tagish Lake its very important and I would say more important then TATA in regards of scientists have no clue which parent body it came from, and the presolar grains it has and the large amount of nanodiamonds found within the meteorite. With the TATA meteorite, this makes about 79 classified meteorite from Mars. In ratio to parent body, thats alot of meteorite from one location in space considered science has no clue where Tagish Lakes parent body is. So in repect to science, TATA is just another Mars meteorite, another one to add to the growing list of Martianites :) On the other hand, ALMAHATA SITTA is by far the most signficate fall in the last 12 years Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritemike at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 21:23:07 EST 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? * Next message: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Count and List, I probably should have clarified - the 21st century. So basically the last ~12 years. It's hard to find a fall (pun intended) in the last 12 years that is more important (overall) than this Martian. In terms of scientific value, Tagish Lake is probably high on the list of the most important in the 21st century. If NonCom approves it as a fall and if a lot of good research comes out of this meteorite, then it's surely one of the most interesting falls of the 50 years. Let's all cross our fingers and hope that MetSoc approves this as a named fall and that they approve it quickly once they have the data required to do so. :) Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber
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Good morning list.I cant believe I,m up at 4:35 am.Oh well here goes.I like mike blood need to raise for the show as well.I have 4 meteorites forsale.The 1st one is a really nice oriented 16 gram complete unclassed stone button.It even has what looks like a trapped air bubble on the bottom side, $300.The next one is a 26 gram complete stone of thuathe.It is 99% crusted and comes with card.$150.These are getting hard to find with 10th anniversary coming soon.I also have an 8.3 gram unclassed iron meteorite that was found last year in morocco and is very nicely oriented.$75.And finally A half gram tatahouine fragment in a gem jar,$25.Please no paypal.CHECK,S,CASH or MONEY ORDER.If interested off list and free shipping.Pics upon request. -- Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill. __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
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[meteorite-list] Location of Tata/Foum Zguid fall
Hello, does anyone have the exact location of the martian Tata/Foum Zguid fall ? Kind regards, Pierre-Marie Pele __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no lunar falls? and freshest lunar?)
Hi Graham and List, Very good point. Up until the time when we could sample the Martian atmosphere, Martian meteorites were only a theory. And even after the Viking data was compared to some of the meteorites on hand, the Martian-origin theory still had some opposition, mainly from scientists who could not model a scenario in which ejected Martian material would be delivered to Earth. The low terrestrial age of Tata-Tanzrou combined with the superior technology available today, makes this new fall an incredibly rare opportunity to study very fresh Martian material. Not to mention the fact that we know much much more about Martian geochemistry now than we did back in 1962. The Martian falls that came before this new one still stand tall as meteorites of the highest significance, but Tata-Tanzrou may be poised to join them based on what it may possibly reveal. Think about it - the cores of those larger unbroken stones are nearly pristine! :) Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 1/16/12, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: But is was more than a decade later that Viking got evidence that made them realize what they hadwould the investigations have been different if they had known...or am I completely wrong with that? Graham On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:04 AM, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Indeed Zagami had an even shorter terrestrial age when first recovered and analyzed in laboratories around the world than the new Martian shergottite. What was missing were the suite of analytical technology today that can provide far greater insight into the meteorite that were not available in 1962, particularly in short-lived radionuclides. gary On Jan 15, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Rob Wesel wrote: Zagami has and even shorter terrestrial age and has been in ample supply for study for the last 50 years. Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:43 AM To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit-Tanzrou Martian Fall. (Why no lunar falls? and freshest lunar?) Hi Shawn and List, It is true that science has access to dozens(!) of Martian meteorites, but all of them have been sitting on Earth for thousands of years and they have experienced alteration and oxidation during that long wait for discovery. This is the first Martian (or any planetary) that has a terrestrial age measured in months. That is exciting. It is so pristine and fresh, that scientists should be very keen to research it. Due to it's lack of oxidation and alteration, it is the next best thing to sample recovery mission. Imagine how much it would cost to bring back a sizeable sample from Mars. Mother Nature just saved science billions of dollars. :) Best regards, MikeG -- * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** On 1/14/12, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: MikeG Listers MikeG you said I probably should have clarified - the 21st century. So basically the last ~12 years. It's hard to find a fall (pun intended) in the last 12 years that is more important (overall) than this Martian. In terms of scientific value, Tagish Lake is probably high on the list of the most important in the 21st century. I would have to agree on Tagish Lake its very important and I would say more important then TATA in regards of scientists have no clue which parent body it came from, and the presolar grains it has and the large amount of nanodiamonds found within the meteorite. With the TATA meteorite, this makes about 79 classified meteorite from Mars. In ratio to parent body, thats alot of meteorite from one location in space considered science has no clue where Tagish Lakes parent body is. So in repect to science, TATA is just another Mars meteorite, another one to add to the growing list of Martianites :) On the other hand, ALMAHATA SITTA is by far the most signficate fall in the last 12 years
[meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century?
Of course time will tell how significant. But here are a few reasons why Tanzrou is important: It's a different lithology from Zagami, Nakhla, Shergotty, Chassigny. It has large olivine phenocrysts -- you don't even need a microscope to see them. Zagami and Shergotty are pretty similar to reach other from a petrologic perspective, so not just another one like those two. There may or may not be a similar olivine-phyric SNC finds in the world's collections. It has glassy melt pockets, I'm not talking just maskelynite, which it has plenty of too. You can see these glass pockets with the naked eye, so they are big and plentiful, and are great for holding trapped gas and other goodies from Mars, that don't end up in mineral crystal lattices. It is has minimal terrestrial weathering. This is great for these of us who want to know something about martian volatiles, the martian water cycle, knowing what you are measuring is real martian water-- not terrestrial -- that's important. Also the astrobiologists will be drooling (hopefully not on the sample -- haha!) to look for organics, knowing that anything thing they find is probably martian -- especially from the interior of a nice complete stone. There is enough to go around (at least for right now). There is plenty of material for destructive analyses, plenty for thin sections, plenty for museum displays, and plenty for collectors. I will set aside some of our Tanzrou for posterity in the IOM collection, not to be touched or tampered with. Fifty or a hundred years from now it will be much scarcer, and maybe someone will be happy that I did! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ - Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:09:11 -0500 From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: cakbpjw_ysvr8jz7peh_bcc1av0vgcj9wujnjutyrt9dsruc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi List, Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian Tata fall is the most significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the last 50+ years? All things considered, this has the makings of a very significant event for science. This is the most pristine sample of Mars to arrive in labs for a long time, if ever. Even the freshest NWA finds cannot compare to fresh stones collected less than a year after the fall. The unbroken stones and larger fragments will supply science with unaltered, unoxidixed material for research. This new Martian is going to be widely studied, so I hope everyone is getting their microprobes warmed up in anticipation. Word has it that institutions and museums have been allocated a sizeable amount of material in terms of trades and donations, so there appears to be plenty of it available for study. It is safe to say that this new meteorite (whatever the official name turns out to be) will appear in a lot of papers and journals over time. For science, this is the next best thing to a manned sample-return mission. For collectors this is best thing since sliced bread. The only thing that could have made this fall better, from a collector's standpoint, is if a stone had bounced off a Bedouin tent and struck a camel in the hump. But, you can't have your cake and eat it too. ;) So, what is the going consensus on the details of this fall? Nickname - Tata or Foumzgit (mostly Tata) TKW - several kilograms, probably less than 10kg. Much of this is in the form of large whole stones and large broken stones and that material has been absorbed into collections and is not likely to return to the market. Ballpark figure of material to be available eventually on the collector market is probably a few kilos (2-3kg?) Date of fall - July of 2011 (certain), actual date - July 25, 2011? Other reports say earlier in July (13-15?) Time of fall - day or night? (night?) Type - Shergottite, shocked, silver-grey matrix with black shock veins. Glossy fresh black fusion crust. Misc - witness reports include an audible explosion and popping sounds. Does all of that sound about right? * Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *** __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
[meteorite-list] Advert / Governador Valadares Sells Today - eBay
Hi Everyone, In approximately eight hours at 3:49p Pacific Standard Time (6:49p EST / 00:49a CET), a slice of the most difficult to obtain nakhlite publicly available, Governador Valadares, will be sold on eBay. The specimen weighs 0.205 grams and has some fusion crust. The reserve is $500 or approximately $2500/g---an unheard of valuation, and a gesture to our community. While I don't recall the precise amount, there is less than 30 grams of GV circulating in the private sector---and that's all there will be, as the true TKW is less than 100gthe Catalogue of Meteorites entry not withstanding. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Meteorite-Governador-Valadares-GV-Nakhlite-0-205g-/250971335018?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3a6f0ea96a#ht_2125wt_129 All the best and good luck! Darryl __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century?
Not to mention the fact that Zagami and the other Martian meteorites were not treated properly, cut in water or oil, highly contaminated for decades etc. This one is pristine, though touched by people in the field, in the lab simple sectioning of larger pieces to get to the pristine interior of a months old fall will provide endless research specimens. I can't wait to read the papers on this one. This meteorite will be a great gift to science and collectors, and to the museums to take advantage of the cheapest Martian fall ever, a boon for curation for centuries. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote: Of course time will tell how significant. But here are a few reasons why Tanzrou is important: It's a different lithology from Zagami, Nakhla, Shergotty, Chassigny. It has large olivine phenocrysts -- you don't even need a microscope to see them. Zagami and Shergotty are pretty similar to reach other from a petrologic perspective, so not just another one like those two. There may or may not be a similar olivine-phyric SNC finds in the world's collections. It has glassy melt pockets, I'm not talking just maskelynite, which it has plenty of too. You can see these glass pockets with the naked eye, so they are big and plentiful, and are great for holding trapped gas and other goodies from Mars, that don't end up in mineral crystal lattices. It is has minimal terrestrial weathering. This is great for these of us who want to know something about martian volatiles, the martian water cycle, knowing what you are measuring is real martian water-- not terrestrial -- that's important. Also the astrobiologists will be drooling (hopefully not on the sample -- haha!) to look for organics, knowing that anything thing they find is probably martian -- especially from the interior of a nice complete stone. There is enough to go around (at least for right now). There is plenty of material for destructive analyses, plenty for thin sections, plenty for museum displays, and plenty for collectors. I will set aside some of our Tanzrou for posterity in the IOM collection, not to be touched or tampered with. Fifty or a hundred years from now it will be much scarcer, and maybe someone will be happy that I did! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ - Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:09:11 -0500 From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: cakbpjw_ysvr8jz7peh_bcc1av0vgcj9wujnjutyrt9dsruc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi List, Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian Tata fall is the most significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the last 50+ years? All things considered, this has the makings of a very significant event for science. This is the most pristine sample of Mars to arrive in labs for a long time, if ever. Even the freshest NWA finds cannot compare to fresh stones collected less than a year after the fall. The unbroken stones and larger fragments will supply science with unaltered, unoxidixed material for research. This new Martian is going to be widely studied, so I hope everyone is getting their microprobes warmed up in anticipation. Word has it that institutions and museums have been allocated a sizeable amount of material in terms of trades and donations, so there appears to be plenty of it available for study. It is safe to say that this new meteorite (whatever the official name turns out to be) will appear in a lot of papers and journals over time. For science, this is the next best thing to a manned sample-return mission. For collectors this is best thing since sliced bread. The only thing that could have made this fall better, from a collector's standpoint, is if a stone had bounced off a Bedouin tent and struck a camel in the hump. But, you can't have your cake and eat it too. ;) So, what is the going consensus on the details of this fall? Nickname - Tata or Foumzgit (mostly Tata) TKW - several kilograms, probably less than 10kg. Much of this is in the form of large whole stones and large broken stones and that material has been absorbed into collections and is not likely to return to the market. Ballpark figure of material to be available eventually on the collector market is probably a few kilos (2-3kg?) Date of fall - July of 2011 (certain), actual date - July 25, 2011? Other reports say earlier in July (13-15?) Time of
[meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo impact spherules in the Center for Meteorite Studies at Arizona State University.
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[meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite List
Hi all, Many have emailed and asked what I'll have for sale in Tucson and what day it begins. The official start day is Saturday Jan, 28th 2012. However, I’ll be set up and open for business on Thursday, Jan 26th 2012 from The Hotel Tucson City Center – Room 234. I will have on hand the NEW Tata Martian meteorite for sale – please ask to see. Below is just a partial list of meteorites I’ll also have for sale. Allendeslices, fragments and individuals Ash Creek (L6) slices, and individuals Bassikounou (H5 )individuals Brenham (PAL) slices large and small Bondocslices, fragments and individuals Buzzard (H4) individuals Canyon Diablo (Iron) slices, fragments and individuals Campo (Iron) slices, and individuals Cat Mountain (Imp-melt) slices Chergach (Mali) individuals Cleo Springs (H4) slices Cocklebiddy (H5)slices Danby (H6 )individuals Dimmitt (H4) slices El Hammami (H5)slices Franconia (H5) slices, fragments and individuals Fukang (PAL) slices Galatia (L6)slices Gao (H5) individuals Gebel Kamil (Iron Ung) individuals Ghubara (L5 ) slices and individuals Gibeon (Iron ) slices, and individuals Glorieta (PAL)slices and individuals Gold Basin (L6 ) slices, fragments and individuals Henbury (Iron) individuals Holbrook (L/LL6)slices and individuals Imilac (PAL) small individuals JAH (H5) slices Juancheng(H5) slices La Criolla (L6) slices Lake Murray large and small slices Mont Dieularge and small slices Monze(L6) slices Moldavite individuals Millbillillie (Euc) slices and individuals Mundrabilla (Iron) individuals Muonionalusta (Iron) slices Nantan (Iron) small individuals NWA 521 (CK4) slices NWA 609 (Eucrite) “ NWA 801 (CR2)“ NWA 869(L4-6)“ NWA 989 (CV3) “ NWA 1929 AHOW)“ NWA 1932(LL3)“ NWA 1939 (AHOW) “ NWA 2932 (Meso)“ NWA 4502 (CV3) “ Palo Verde Mine (L6) “ Plateau Putorano (Non-meteorite) “ Portales Valley (H6) “ Richfield (LL3.7) “ Sac Wash 003 individuals Sahara 98094 (H5) slices SAU 001 (L4-5) “ Seymchan (PAL) “ Sikhote Alin (Iron)individuals Taza (Iron) individuals Toluca (Iron) slices and individuals Thika (L6) Thuathe (H4-5) individuals Wagon Mound (L6) slices Willcox Playa 9 (Mes) slices White Court (Iron)individuals Zacatecas (Iron) slices Zag (H3-6) slices -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: www.MrMeteorite.com Articles: www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canyon Diablo impact spherules in the Center for Meteorite Studies at Arizona State University.
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[meteorite-list] AD: Some nice stuff ending soon on ebay !
Hello List, some of my meteorites on ebay ending soon: http://www.ebay.com/sch/gruenekatze3/m.html?hash=item20c1026f5bitem=140677115739pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0_trksid=p4340.l2562 Take a look may you will like something! Cheers David ___ SMS schreiben mit WEB.DE FreeMail - einfach, schnell und kostenguenstig. Jetzt gleich testen! http://f.web.de/?mc=021192 __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Special Monday NIght Auctions Ending
Dear List Members, Just a quick note to let you know that my Special Monday night auctions are due to end end in a few hours. Many great planetary specimens and other rarities were all started at just 99 cents with no reserve. I also have 54 great auctions ending tomorrow night. Please take a look if you can find a few moments. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Lind Regards, Adam __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chondrules! MPOD
Good grief! Apologies to Andreas Koppelt - The proper calendar page link is: http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp?XX=1WYD=MM=1YY=2012 From: rsvp...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:33:05 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Chondrules! MPOD Dear List, A few days ago, one of my submissions to the Meteorite Picture of the Day calendar, 11 January, 2012, was questioned by someone as possibly not being meteoritic. http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp As a contributor I feel I owe it to Paul Swartz, other contributors, and fellow enthusiasts to ensure the calendar integrity hasn’t been compromised by a “wrong”, and until it is properly addressed I feel my contribution will have a black cloud over it. I offered to send Mr. Simms additional pictures, but there was no response. Just as well – I learned early in our common interest that beliefs have to be properly supported with more than just words, and it should be done in the open. Being an “unclassified”, the best evidence I can put forth at this time to confirm that these pictures were indeed of meteorites is additional pictures for your consideration.Please see them here: http://tiny.cc/rosax http://tiny.cc/rosax There are lots, but I am hoping it's enough to definitively confirm their authenticity – and I’m sure you’re all like me and could look at pictures of meteorites all day, anyway. I agree with Mr. Simms that this is an unusual meteorite. Another picture from these stones was posted on the MPOD calendar 26 December, 2011, which shows a beautiful olivine crystal in the matrix. Thanks to Mr. Simms that while taking these additional pictures I’m posting today, I found two more small olivine crystals in other stones, although they are quite a bit smaller in size. If there is still skepticism, please let me know. Pete __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Guide
Can someone send me the URL for the new Tucson Show Meteorite Guide? Don't know how I misplaced THAT! Perhaps the list would like to have it posted again, too. Thanks, Michael __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I'm Baaaaack... :)
Though I've been away for some time in recuperation I am still alive and kicking and VERY grateful for this list's members for their help in my hard times a few years ago. Getting well enough now to get back to my collection and noticed a Gibeon slice has oxidized enough so the etchings have severely faded. Anyone know how to restore the etchings without re-etching? Also, I noticed a new trend in selling mets on eBay. Most are selling for Buy Now or Best Offer. What's up with the market? Gary Foote __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Baaaaack... :)
Welcome back, man, and greetings, Matthias - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote g...@webbers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm Back... :) Though I've been away for some time in recuperation I am still alive and kicking and VERY grateful for this list's members for their help in my hard times a few years ago. Getting well enough now to get back to my collection and noticed a Gibeon slice has oxidized enough so the etchings have severely faded. Anyone know how to restore the etchings without re-etching? Also, I noticed a new trend in selling mets on eBay. Most are selling for Buy Now or Best Offer. What's up with the market? Gary Foote __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6801 (20120116) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6801 (20120116) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Baaaaack... :)
Hi Gary, I use a product called Bar Keepers Friend to freshen up my etched irons. It comes in a powder and liquid form. Get the powder one. You can find it in the cleanser isle of most grocery stores or Walmart. Wet the etched surface with warm water then mix the Bar Keepers Friend into a paste, then gently apply it to your etched surface. I use my finger to rub it gently for about 2 minutes. Then rinse with water, then soak in alcohol, then dry in an oven, then soak in ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid), wipe dry and your good to go. Cheers, Jim K In a message dated 1/16/2012 5:16:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, g...@webbers.com writes: Though I've been away for some time in recuperation I am still alive and kicking and VERY grateful for this list's members for their help in my hard times a few years ago. Getting well enough now to get back to my collection and noticed a Gibeon slice has oxidized enough so the etchings have severely faded. Anyone know how to restore the etchings without re-etching? Also, I noticed a new trend in selling mets on eBay. Most are selling for Buy Now or Best Offer. What's up with the market? Gary Foote __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century?
Totally agree Mike...well said...hope you've stashed a few nice examples too ;-) Graham On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Not to mention the fact that Zagami and the other Martian meteorites were not treated properly, cut in water or oil, highly contaminated for decades etc. This one is pristine, though touched by people in the field, in the lab simple sectioning of larger pieces to get to the pristine interior of a months old fall will provide endless research specimens. I can't wait to read the papers on this one. This meteorite will be a great gift to science and collectors, and to the museums to take advantage of the cheapest Martian fall ever, a boon for curation for centuries. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote: Of course time will tell how significant. But here are a few reasons why Tanzrou is important: It's a different lithology from Zagami, Nakhla, Shergotty, Chassigny. It has large olivine phenocrysts -- you don't even need a microscope to see them. Zagami and Shergotty are pretty similar to reach other from a petrologic perspective, so not just another one like those two. There may or may not be a similar olivine-phyric SNC finds in the world's collections. It has glassy melt pockets, I'm not talking just maskelynite, which it has plenty of too. You can see these glass pockets with the naked eye, so they are big and plentiful, and are great for holding trapped gas and other goodies from Mars, that don't end up in mineral crystal lattices. It is has minimal terrestrial weathering. This is great for these of us who want to know something about martian volatiles, the martian water cycle, knowing what you are measuring is real martian water-- not terrestrial -- that's important. Also the astrobiologists will be drooling (hopefully not on the sample -- haha!) to look for organics, knowing that anything thing they find is probably martian -- especially from the interior of a nice complete stone. There is enough to go around (at least for right now). There is plenty of material for destructive analyses, plenty for thin sections, plenty for museum displays, and plenty for collectors. I will set aside some of our Tanzrou for posterity in the IOM collection, not to be touched or tampered with. Fifty or a hundred years from now it will be much scarcer, and maybe someone will be happy that I did! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ - Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:09:11 -0500 From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Tata-Foumzgit Martian Fall. The most significant fall of this century? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: cakbpjw_ysvr8jz7peh_bcc1av0vgcj9wujnjutyrt9dsruc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi List, Would it be safe to say, that the new Martian Tata fall is the most significant meteorite fall of the 21st century, and perhaps of the last 50+ years? All things considered, this has the makings of a very significant event for science. This is the most pristine sample of Mars to arrive in labs for a long time, if ever. Even the freshest NWA finds cannot compare to fresh stones collected less than a year after the fall. The unbroken stones and larger fragments will supply science with unaltered, unoxidixed material for research. This new Martian is going to be widely studied, so I hope everyone is getting their microprobes warmed up in anticipation. Word has it that institutions and museums have been allocated a sizeable amount of material in terms of trades and donations, so there appears to be plenty of it available for study. It is safe to say that this new meteorite (whatever the official name turns out to be) will appear in a lot of papers and journals over time. For science, this is the next best thing to a manned sample-return mission. For collectors this is best thing since sliced bread. The only thing that could have made this fall better, from a collector's standpoint, is if a stone had bounced off a Bedouin tent and struck a camel in the hump. But, you can't have your cake and eat it too. ;) So, what is the going consensus on the details of this fall? Nickname - Tata or Foumzgit (mostly Tata) TKW - several kilograms, probably less than 10kg. Much of this is in the form of large whole stones and large broken stones and that material has been absorbed into collections and is not likely to return to the market. Ballpark figure of material to be available eventually on the collector market
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Baaaaack... :)
Hi Gary, What a great example you are and welcome back, you're a great fighter and I hope you're kicking butt! Jim's is one point of view and I understand most do something like that. But keep in mind that absolutely nothing beat a re-etch. If the meteorite has oxidized somewhat, you will have on a microscopic level pitting that is catalytic to more oxidation and you no longer have a good surface - it's gone like a pristine magnetic recording on a warped record. I feel the better answer is not to try top cut corners by loading more foreign chemicals. Why not just buff and polish it, rinse/dry a few cycles in distilled water, and buy some nitric acid and etch it yourself. Really, when it comes to work, The FRAM man has the answer: You can pay me (a little) now, or pay me (a lot) later. And I know you're not afraid to roll up your sleeves! Here: $12 Item number 981 V 2901 you can use straight from here: http://wardsci.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_IG0015411 Kindest wsihes Doufg -Original Message- From: Jimski47 jimsk...@aol.com To: gary g...@webbers.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Back... :) Hi Gary, I use a product called Bar Keepers Friend to freshen up my etched irons. It comes in a powder and liquid form. Get the powder one. You can find it in the cleanser isle of most grocery stores or Walmart. Wet the etched surface with warm water then mix the Bar Keepers Friend into a paste, then gently apply it to your etched surface. I use my finger to rub it gently for about 2 minutes. Then rinse with water, then soak in alcohol, then dry in an oven, then soak in ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid), wipe dry and your good to go. Cheers, Jim K In a message dated 1/16/2012 5:16:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, g...@webbers.com writes: Though I've been away for some time in recuperation I am still alive and kicking and VERY grateful for this list's members for their help in my hard times a few years ago. Getting well enough now to get back to my collection and noticed a Gibeon slice has oxidized enough so the etchings have severely faded. Anyone know how to restore the etchings without re-etching? Also, I noticed a new trend in selling mets on eBay. Most are selling for Buy Now or Best Offer. What's up with the market? Gary Foote __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Baaaaack... :)
Hi Listregarding re-etch work, I again nominate Mike Miller. I've sent some critical specimens to him and his work (as we know) is tops. Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Back... :) Hi Gary, What a great example you are and welcome back, you're a great fighter and I hope you're kicking butt! Jim's is one point of view and I understand most do something like that. But keep in mind that absolutely nothing beat a re-etch. If the meteorite has oxidized somewhat, you will have on a microscopic level pitting that is catalytic to more oxidation and you no longer have a good surface - it's gone like a pristine magnetic recording on a warped record. I feel the better answer is not to try top cut corners by loading more foreign chemicals. Why not just buff and polish it, rinse/dry a few cycles in distilled water, and buy some nitric acid and etch it yourself. Really, when it comes to work, The FRAM man has the answer: You can pay me (a little) now, or pay me (a lot) later. And I know you're not afraid to roll up your sleeves! Here: $12 Item number 981 V 2901 you can use straight from here: http://wardsci.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_IG0015411 Kindest wsihes Doufg -Original Message- From: Jimski47 jimsk...@aol.com To: gary g...@webbers.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Back... :) Hi Gary, I use a product called Bar Keepers Friend to freshen up my etched irons. It comes in a powder and liquid form. Get the powder one. You can find it in the cleanser isle of most grocery stores or Walmart. Wet the etched surface with warm water then mix the Bar Keepers Friend into a paste, then gently apply it to your etched surface. I use my finger to rub it gently for about 2 minutes. Then rinse with water, then soak in alcohol, then dry in an oven, then soak in ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid), wipe dry and your good to go. Cheers, Jim K In a message dated 1/16/2012 5:16:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, g...@webbers.com writes: Though I've been away for some time in recuperation I am still alive and kicking and VERY grateful for this list's members for their help in my hard times a few years ago. Getting well enough now to get back to my collection and noticed a Gibeon slice has oxidized enough so the etchings have severely faded. Anyone know how to restore the etchings without re-etching? Also, I noticed a new trend in selling mets on eBay. Most are selling for Buy Now or Best Offer. What's up with the market? Gary Foote __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] University Experience :P
Well Hello there fellow list members! I'd like to step out of the shadows and share some of my experiences now that I'm working my way through my junior year of my space exploration degree at ASU. Being that I completed my associates degree from a community college (which a very friendly and welcoming environment) and have now transferred to ASU, I have noticed some interesting things in the environment of a university. One very interesting thing I've noticed is that engineers look down their noses at scientists and vice versa. I think that is the funniest thing! It's really enjoyable to hear an engineer or a scientist make some jab at the other team. Apparently it's not just at ASU but at UofA and NAU as well so I've heard from friends attending those schools. That is a terrible rivalry or what ever you'd like to call it which can only lead to issues in collaboration between both groups. Another interesting 'preconceived notion' I've experienced is that as far a meteorite go, people at the university, professors and students, see meteorite hunters almost like pirates, sucking up material the university is entitled to. I let my astrophysics class including my professor hurl all sorts of silly notions at me before I clarified what meteorite hunting is like. I'm sure their view has been skewed from shows like Meteorite Men and from some of the Saharan Hunters. I explained that the Meteorite Men have special permission to hunt some of those fields and that they are hunting fields in which there is no shortage of material for universities. I explained that hunters like in the South Western United States spend months and months before finding new falls and that it is almost impossible to profit as a meteorite hunter, baring few exceptions. I also explained that hunting fields like Franconia or Gold Basin have so much material that there is more than enough for Uni versities to acquire. I also explained that the extreme drop in Austrailian finds to almost none is actually inhibiting those Universities from acquiring new material for research and discovery of new meteorite types. On top of that I explained that a University doesn't need 30 kilos of material to study lol. Meteorite hunters find a field, donate 20g's or 20% or sometimes kilos worth a material for classification. It's very important that this is how hunters process their finds along with meticulous collection habits like GPSing and recording each find so these unknowing educates have no ammunition when they come for our hunting rights. It was an eye opening experience for me to see that even though they can be highly experienced they aren't all as understanding as Laurence Garvie and the other select few educates we all work with. It's scary to think they project these notions on to the students who flow semester after semester through their classes. Raising awareness and educating people is how we can keep our hunting freedoms and how we can protect future meteorite discoveries from terrestrialization as a result of draconian legislations. [Erik] Sent from my iPod __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Caribbean Meteor 16JAN2012
Dear List, Large fireball seen in the Caribbean 16JAN2012: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2012/01/breaking-news-puerto-rico-aruba-curacao.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Baaaaack... :)
Thanks for the private messages; sorry, I have no time today to individually answer the same question at the moment and since this is of gerneral interest I'll asnwer you wityh another post. Some people have a problem ordering educational stuff and someone else asked about Nitol (Nital). I just made an example of the Ward's nitric at reasopnable concentration for the faster etching that most people seem to prefer nowadays. Plus, a faster etch penetrates less into the interior of the meteorite, which is really not too big of a deal when using this reagent grade stuff. But since I really don't like transmission fluid at all, nor do I like ferric chloride as an etching chemical at all, all I wanted to do was show that you can have a one stop nitric acid bottle too, just as easy and btw, not filled with industrial residues like the circuit board etchant that everyone is buying at radio shack, et. al. But thers are personal choices and I only share my own here. To the person who insisted to use Nital instead of straight acid (you can use straight acid, just know how to dry the stuff in an oven. The mnethanol just evaporate more quickly, that's the benefit, and supposedly has lower surface tension to penetrate, but my gut feeling is don't dig deeper than you have to an you're better off. This is dangerous if you don't respect the reagents, but really you could stick your hands in this nital and then wash them, but please don't do anything so daring. Don't be scared away from Oh, why if I add the wrong one first and a liquid projectile slams into my saftyglass-less eyeball, there is everything available in a one-stop bottle. Either you are inclined or you aren't...your call. Here's what appears to be semiconductor grade (check - I think it is also reagent grade). So here's the Nital you can use straight from the bottle ($28) - yes, one simple bottle, one stop etching: http://www.chemical-supermarket.com/Nital-10-Nitric-250ml-Micro-Etch-Solution-p425.html I know a lot of people talk about an art and good etchers, etc., and people will throw all kinds of crap on a meteorite and swear it's the best crap that nobody else knows about. Frankly etching to me is like working on a car. I really don't trust any other mechanic except myself. It's a personal thing. I'm sure there are many better etchers out than me, but just like there are better mechanics out there for sure, theoretically, it is a much more satisfying experience to do the work oneself if one is so inclined (and especially if one is a chemist). And for all the good mechanics out there, my truck is now 23 years old and on its original motor, and has only gone to a mechanic once for something that was really too complicated. With this bottle of nital, you can etch a few small slices - they also have a half liter $42 one. Honestly it is hard to cook a good pizza than make a good etch. The satisfaction and appreciation for the devine chemical structures that can be exposed is prioceless! Hope this helps, and if you prefer to make yourr nital with other alcohols, you probably don't need to worry about this as you'll be mixing acid with your preffered diluent anyways. Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 8:36 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Back... :) Hi Gary, What a great example you are and welcome back, you're a great fighter and I hope you're kicking butt! Jim's is one point of view and I understand most do something like that. But keep in mind that absolutely nothing beat a re-etch. If the meteorite has oxidized somewhat, you will have on a microscopic level pitting that is catalytic to more oxidation and you no longer have a good surface - it's gone like a pristine magnetic recording on a warped record. I feel the better answer is not to try top cut corners by loading more foreign chemicals. Why not just buff and polish it, rinse/dry a few cycles in distilled water, and buy some nitric acid and etch it yourself. Really, when it comes to work, The FRAM man has the answer: You can pay me (a little) now, or pay me (a lot) later. And I know you're not afraid to roll up your sleeves! Here: $12 Item number 981 V 2901 you can use straight from here: http://wardsci.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_IG0015411 Kindest wsihes Doufg -Original Message- From: Jimski47 jimsk...@aol.com To: gary g...@webbers.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2012 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I'm Back... :) Hi Gary, I use a product called Bar Keepers Friend to freshen up my etched irons. It comes in a powder and liquid form. Get the powder one. You can find it in the cleanser isle of most grocery stores or Walmart. Wet the etched surface with warm water then mix the Bar Keepers Friend into a paste, then gently
Re: [meteorite-list] University Experience
Thanks Mark, see you in Tucson as well! I'll be at the birthday bash for the first time as I am now 21 ;) Bob, universities actually do make trades and buy new material. I was lucky enough to be let into the vault and there was kilos and kilos of new stuff that had been traded and bought to add or to replace collection pieces. Garvie is very adamant about improving ASU's collection. [Erik] Sent from my iPod On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Erik Fisler phxe...@yahoo.com wrote: Well Hello there fellow list members! I'd like to step out of the shadows and share some of my experiences now that I'm working my way through my junior year of my space exploration degree at ASU. Being that I completed my associates degree from a community college (which a very friendly and welcoming environment) and have now transferred to ASU, I have noticed some interesting things in the environment of a university. One very interesting thing I've noticed is that engineers look down their noses at scientists and vice versa. I think that is the funniest thing! It's really enjoyable to hear an engineer or a scientist make some jab at the other team. Apparently it's not just at ASU but at UofA and NAU as well so I've heard from friends attending those schools. That is a terrible rivalry or what ever you'd like to call it which can only lead to issues in collaboration between both groups. Another interesting 'preconceived notion' I've experienced is that as far a meteorite go, people at the university, professors and students, see meteorite hunters almost like pirates, sucking up material the university is entitled to. I let my astrophysics class including my professor hurl all sorts of silly notions at me before I clarified what meteorite hunting is like. I'm sure their view has been skewed from shows like Meteorite Men and from some of the Saharan Hunters. I explained that the Meteorite Men have special permission to hunt some of those fields and that they are hunting fields in which there is no shortage of material for universities. I explained that hunters like in the South Western United States spend months and months before finding new falls and that it is almost impossible to profit as a meteorite hunter, baring few exceptions. I also explained that hunting fields like Franconia or Gold Basin have so much material that there is more than enough for U ni versities to acquire. I also explained that the extreme drop in Austrailian finds to almost none is actually inhibiting those Universities from acquiring new material for research and discovery of new meteorite types. On top of that I explained that a University doesn't need 30 kilos of material to study lol. Meteorite hunters find a field, donate 20g's or 20% or sometimes kilos worth a material for classification. It's very important that this is how hunters process their finds along with meticulous collection habits like GPSing and recording each find so these unknowing educates have no ammunition when they come for our hunting rights. It was an eye opening experience for me to see that even though they can be highly experienced they aren't all as understanding as Laurence Garvie and the other select few educates we all work with. It's scary to think they project these notions on to the students who flow semester after semester through their classes. Raising awareness and educating people is how we can keep our hunting freedoms and how we can protect future meteorite discoveries from terrestrialization as a result of draconian legislations. [Erik] Sent from my iPod __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions
Hi List, I have a few nice auctions on ebay ending in 1-2 days. Take a look: http://stores.ebay.com/svassiliev Thanks for your time! Sergey --- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
