[meteorite-list] NASA'S Curiosity Rover Provides Clues to Changes in Martian Atmosphere

[Ron Baalke]

Nov. 02, 2012

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington  
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov 

Guy Webster 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-6278 
guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 

Nancy Neal Jones 
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. 
301-286-0039 
nancy.n.jo...@nasa.gov 


RELEASE: 12-387

NASA'S CURIOSITY ROVER PROVIDES CLUES TO CHANGES IN MARTIAN ATMOSPHERE

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's car-sized rover, Curiosity, has taken 
significant steps toward understanding how Mars may have lost much of 
its original atmosphere. 

Learning what happened to the Martian atmosphere will help scientists 
assess whether the planet ever was habitable. The present atmosphere 
of Mars is 100 times thinner than Earth's. 

A set of instruments aboard the rover has ingested and analyzed 
samples of the atmosphere collected near the "Rocknest" site in Gale 
Crater where the rover is stopped for research. Findings from the 
Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instruments suggest that loss of a 
fraction of the atmosphere, resulting from a physical process 
favoring retention of heavier isotopes of certain elements, has been 
a significant factor in the evolution of the planet. Isotopes are 
variants of the same element with different atomic weights. 

Initial SAM results show an increase of 5 percent in heavier isotopes 
of carbon in the atmospheric carbon dioxide compared to estimates of 
the isotopic ratios present when Mars formed. These enriched ratios 
of heavier isotopes to lighter ones suggest the top of the atmosphere 
may have been lost to interplanetary space. Losses at the top of the 
atmosphere would deplete lighter isotopes. Isotopes of argon also 
show enrichment of the heavy isotope, matching previous estimates of 
atmosphere composition derived from studies of Martian meteorites on 
Earth. 

Scientists theorize that in Mars' distant past its environment may 
have been quite different, with persistent water and a thicker 
atmosphere. NASA's Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution, or MAVEN, 
mission will investigate possible losses from the upper atmosphere 
when it arrives at Mars in 2014. 

With these initial sniffs of Martian atmosphere, SAM also made the 
most sensitive measurements ever to search for methane gas on Mars. 
Preliminary results reveal little to no methane. Methane is of 
interest as a simple precursor chemical for life. On Earth, it can be 
produced by either biological or non-biological processes. 

Methane has been difficult to detect from Earth or the current 
generation of Mars orbiters because the gas exists on Mars only in 
traces, if at all. The Tunable Laser Spectrometer (TLS) in SAM 
provides the first search conducted within the Martian atmosphere for 
this molecule. The initial SAM measurements place an upper limit of 
just a few parts methane per billion parts of Martian atmosphere, by 
volume, with enough uncertainty that the amount could be zero. 

"Methane is clearly not an abundant gas at the Gale Crater site, if it 
is there at all. At this point in the mission we're just excited to 
be searching for it," said SAM TLS lead Chris Webster of NASA's Jet 
Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. "While we determine 
upper limits on low values, atmospheric variability in the Martian 
atmosphere could yet hold surprises for us." 

In Curiosity's first three months on Mars, SAM has analyzed atmosphere 
samples with two laboratory methods. One is a mass spectrometer 
investigating the full range of atmospheric gases. The other, TLS, 
has focused on carbon dioxide and methane. During its two-year prime 
mission, the rover also will use an instrument called a gas 
chromatograph that separates and identifies gases. The instrument 
also will analyze samples of soil and rock, as well as more 
atmosphere samples. 

"With these first atmospheric measurements we already can see the 
power of having a complex chemical laboratory like SAM on the surface 
of Mars," said SAM Principal Investigator Paul Mahaffy of NASA's 
Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "Both atmospheric and 
solid sample analyses are crucial for understanding Mars' 
habitability." 

SAM is set to analyze its first solid sample in the coming weeks, 
beginning the search for organic compounds in the rocks and soils of 
Gale Crater. Analyzing water-bearing minerals and searching for and 
analyzing carbonates are high priorities for upcoming SAM solid 
sample analyses. 

Researchers are using Curiosity's 10 instruments to investigate 
whether areas in Gale Crater ever offered environmental conditions 
favorable for microbial life. JPL manages the project for NASA's 
Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The SAM Instrument was 
developed at Goddard with instrument contributions from Goddard, JPL 
and the University of Paris in France. 

For more information about Curiosity and its mission, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/msl 

You can follow the mission on Facebook and Twitter at: 

http://w

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

[Mark Bowling]

Hi everyone,
I'd be interested in learning what a tax accountant says about the question.
 
I think the numbers mentioned below might be accidentally mixed up.  According 
to CBO numbers for 2010, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are the items 
that add up to 42% of spending.  The military is 20%.  And if you don't base it 
against spending and compare to actual tax revenues received, military spending 
is 30.4% of taxpayer dollars (and SS & the other two use 64.9% of taxes paid).
 
If anybody does learn if newly found meteorites (or gold nuggets/old 
coins) mean taxes owed, please let us know.
 
Increased taxes never seem fair if your income is fixed or your salary 
drops...  but as Michaels said, I'd rather have my taxes go up if it means I 
had a bit of luck in the field.
 
Hoping that we all have plentiful windfalls this hunting season,
Mark



From: Michael Blood 
To: Adam Hupe ; Meteorite List 
 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

Hi Adam and Paul,

        I have long been told (by those who should know)
that finding anything of value does not open you up to
taxes UNTIL you sell it (unless, of course, it is money
you find! -  I'll pay the taxes gladly if anyone wants to
tell me where to find some of the latter).

        Personally I find it strange that nearly everyone
Lauds a veteran (which I understand) but despises taxes,
Which I don't get at all. Of course taxes are no fun, but
If we want fire departments, education, police, functional
Roads, bridges, etc, (not to mention the military people
Seam to adore - though we spend as much as the next
Highest 15 nations combined to on our military - much
of which is  based on an obsolete warfare concept - and
uses 42% of each tax dollar we pay). Taxes are essential
to keep all he essential things going.

        BTW, cutting funding of PBS ("getting rid of Big Bird
And all preschool and the informational and artistic programming
Provided for PBS would "save" about 1/10th of 1% of what we
Spend on the Military.similar to cutting food programs
For poor kids in schoolvery strange priorities, indeed)

        Best regards, Michael



On 11/2/12 4:09 PM, "Adam Hupe"  wrote:

> Hi Paul and List,
> 
> Good question.
> 
> 
> The problem is that the new tax laws, hidden and partially due to the
> Affordable Health Care Act have not yet been fully decoded so nobody knows
> where they stand. My accountant can't even advise me of what to expect in
> 2013.   The laws are so complicated that I can no longer calculate my own tax
> returns.   I was appalled at all of the surprises on my last return which
> included sending out 1099s to friends that help you out if you pay them over
> $600.00.  I only thought this applied to businesses which was repealed.  You
> will be fined $100.00 for every one these 1099s you don't send out.  Pretty
> soon everybody will have to 1099 the newspaper boy, the kid that mows your
> lawn or a neighbor who sold you some personal belongings to make ends meet. 
> 
> 
> The best advise is to talk to an accountant with superhuman skills that can
> decode the new hidden taxes that are not even referred to as taxes.
> 
> 
> I think is time to change the subject and dream about somehow making it back
> out to the field before hypertension sets in.
> 
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Gessler 
> To: meteorite-list 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:50 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES
> 
> All this talk about taxes and the like has raised some old questions for me.
> If this has been discussed before forgive me I missed it.
> 
> Lets say a meteorite falls and you find it then someone sells one from the
> same fall creating a benchmark of value (however fleeting)
> Do you immediately incur a tax liability on the stone you have?
> 
> I remember back in the day when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcguire were in a homerun
> race and the topic came up that whoever caught the
> record beating baseball would immediately be forced to sell it to raise the
> taxes owed on it or pay out some ludicrous amount to the feds in order to keep
> it.
> 
> So what gives?
> 
> I recently read the article about the Novato 100 gram stone being worth
> $10,000
> GREAT! But does the owner now owe a percentage to the tax man
> 
> What are the facts concerning this kind of windfall?
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> -Paul Gessler
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

[Adam Hupe]

Michael,

Taxes are fine, excessive taxes are not.  Wasting taxpayers money is 
disrespectful to the hard working people who employ these public servants.

As the old saying goes; at least a drunken sailor is wasting his own money not 
the taxpayers.

My slogan has always been "Save Earth, It Is The Only Planet That Serves Beer!"

Adam



- Original Message -
From: Michael Blood 
To: Adam Hupe ; Meteorite List 

Cc: 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

Hi Adam and Paul,

        I have long been told (by those who should know)
that finding anything of value does not open you up to
taxes UNTIL you sell it (unless, of course, it is money
you find! -  I'll pay the taxes gladly if anyone wants to
tell me where to find some of the latter).

        Personally I find it strange that nearly everyone
Lauds a veteran (which I understand) but despises taxes,
Which I don't get at all. Of course taxes are no fun, but
If we want fire departments, education, police, functional
Roads, bridges, etc, (not to mention the military people
Seam to adore - though we spend as much as the next
Highest 15 nations combined to on our military - much
of which is  based on an obsolete warfare concept - and
uses 42% of each tax dollar we pay). Taxes are essential
to keep all he essential things going.

        BTW, cutting funding of PBS ("getting rid of Big Bird
And all preschool and the informational and artistic programming
Provided for PBS would "save" about 1/10th of 1% of what we
Spend on the Military.similar to cutting food programs
For poor kids in schoolvery strange priorities, indeed)

        Best regards, Michael



On 11/2/12 4:09 PM, "Adam Hupe"  wrote:

> Hi Paul and List,
> 
> Good question.
> 
> 
> The problem is that the new tax laws, hidden and partially due to the
> Affordable Health Care Act have not yet been fully decoded so nobody knows
> where they stand. My accountant can't even advise me of what to expect in
> 2013.   The laws are so complicated that I can no longer calculate my own tax
> returns.   I was appalled at all of the surprises on my last return which
> included sending out 1099s to friends that help you out if you pay them over
> $600.00.  I only thought this applied to businesses which was repealed.  You
> will be fined $100.00 for every one these 1099s you don't send out.  Pretty
> soon everybody will have to 1099 the newspaper boy, the kid that mows your
> lawn or a neighbor who sold you some personal belongings to make ends meet. 
> 
> 
> The best advise is to talk to an accountant with superhuman skills that can
> decode the new hidden taxes that are not even referred to as taxes.
> 
> 
> I think is time to change the subject and dream about somehow making it back
> out to the field before hypertension sets in.
> 
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Gessler 
> To: meteorite-list 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:50 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES
> 
> All this talk about taxes and the like has raised some old questions for me.
> If this has been discussed before forgive me I missed it.
> 
> Lets say a meteorite falls and you find it then someone sells one from the
> same fall creating a benchmark of value (however fleeting)
> Do you immediately incur a tax liability on the stone you have?
> 
> I remember back in the day when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcguire were in a homerun
> race and the topic came up that whoever caught the
> record beating baseball would immediately be forced to sell it to raise the
> taxes owed on it or pay out some ludicrous amount to the feds in order to keep
> it.
> 
> So what gives?
> 
> I recently read the article about the Novato 100 gram stone being worth
> $10,000
> GREAT! But does the owner now owe a percentage to the tax man
> 
> What are the facts concerning this kind of windfall?
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> -Paul Gessler
> 
> 
> __
> 
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> Meteorite-list mailing list
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Re: [meteorite-list] missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds)

[Norm Lehrman]

Greg & all,

Whew!  That is really bad news.  I was beginning to think Jenniskens was a good 
guy. 

What would his Sutter's Mill database look like if we eliminated all but the 
academics?  Rogue private meteorite hunters made it happen.  So sad.

Jenniskens, if you are reading this, let's hear your defense.  We all 
understand 
misquotes.  Is this one?  I surely hope so.  If not, your stock just went to 
zero.

Cheers,
Norm 



- Original Message 
From: Greg Hupé 
To: Robert Verish ; Jodie Reynolds 

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, November 2, 2012 7:57:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI 
Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds)

Bob,

I respect your 'protected' stance on this subject, however when you say this 
was 
a, "missed opportunity [for outreach]...", was in fact part of Jennisken's 
grand 
plan as quoted in the article and stated by the 'private citizen' getting the 
'free ride' on "The Blimp". I will quote here for one's direct assessment...

"Jenniskens invited Rivera to join him and another scientist on the airship 
ride 
over Novato and parts of unincorporated Sonoma County, following the trajectory 
of the Oct. 17 fireball. Rivera said he took an oath not to tell what they saw 
for fear that rogue meteorite hunters — eager to sell galactic collectibles on 
eBay — might pounce on new potential meteorite locations and rob scientists' 
ability to research more rocks."

I personally take issue with his entire paragraph! It insults the dedication 
from us, "rogue [private] meteorite hunters", actual meteorite scientists and 
the average enthusiast at large! What a slap in the face from an media-hungry 
astrologer to make against us who have committed our lives to the world of real 
meteorite recovery, science and sharing through the expansion of actual 
knowledge to the entire world! We, as private citizens, have donated more to 
the 
study and knowledge of meteoritics than anyone really knows. Most contributions 
are made by private individuals who donate because they can and want to without 
the hype or the huge mug shot photo opp!!

It scares me to think that an individual who is not even knowledgeable about 
the 
most simplistic aspects of a meteorite is out there representing our national 
treasure, NASA! What a let down if this rogue astrologer is allowed to continue 
his personal slime campaign against the private sector!! Shame, shame!!

Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupé
The Hupé Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
NaturesVault (eBay & Facebook)
http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



-Original Message- From: Robert Verish
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:41 PM
To: Greg Hupé ; Jodie Reynolds
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer 
Funds)

Hello All,

Given that it was a "free ride", I think Petrus missed an obvious outreach 
opportunity.  BEFORE the airship took off, he should have submitted articles to 
the Sonoma County newspapers soliciting the local residents to look for black 
space-rocks in their yards and driveways.  Mention could have been made in 
advance that an airship would be incorporated in the search effort. Would make 
an interesting article for the local papers.  The airship flying over Sonoma 
would have been free advertising for meteorite recovery.
We've done a good job of saturating the media in Marin County, but nothing 
directed towards Sonoma residents.
We need to stretch the strewn-field into Sonoma County and we're going to need 
a 
lot of cooperation from the residents.
Bob V.

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, Jodie Reynolds  wrote:

> From: Jodie Reynolds 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
> To: "Greg Hupé" 
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 3:05 PM
> Hello Greg and List!
> 
> It was my understanding that the airship rides were
> contributed.  Is
> there reliable information that they're plunking down
> NASA-dollars
> for that?  Because I agree - that'd be pretty
> criminal.
> 
> Believe me, no one could possibly be any crankier about
> misappropriation of tax-payer dollars than I!  I just
> want to make
> sure we string up the "right ones".
> 
> 
> --- Jodie
> 
> Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:10:15 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
> 
> > I have been troubled by what is a clear
> misappropriation of US tax payer
> > funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's
> financial crisis, this is no
> > time to squander our tax dollars!!
> 
> > We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was,
> as stated in the
> > article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not
> only are they using a
> > privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched
> 'research', but they
> >

Re: [meteorite-list] missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds)

[Greg Hupé]

Bob,

I respect your 'protected' stance on this subject, however when you say this 
was a, "missed opportunity [for outreach]...", was in fact part of 
Jennisken's grand plan as quoted in the article and stated by the 'private 
citizen' getting the 'free ride' on "The Blimp". I will quote here for one's 
direct assessment...


"Jenniskens invited Rivera to join him and another scientist on the airship 
ride over Novato and parts of unincorporated Sonoma County, following the 
trajectory of the Oct. 17 fireball. Rivera said he took an oath not to tell 
what they saw for fear that rogue meteorite hunters — eager to sell galactic 
collectibles on eBay — might pounce on new potential meteorite locations and 
rob scientists' ability to research more rocks."


I personally take issue with his entire paragraph! It insults the dedication 
from us, "rogue [private] meteorite hunters", actual meteorite scientists 
and the average enthusiast at large! What a slap in the face from an 
media-hungry astrologer to make against us who have committed our lives to 
the world of real meteorite recovery, science and sharing through the 
expansion of actual knowledge to the entire world! We, as private citizens, 
have donated more to the study and knowledge of meteoritics than anyone 
really knows. Most contributions are made by private individuals who donate 
because they can and want to without the hype or the huge mug shot photo 
opp!!


It scares me to think that an individual who is not even knowledgeable about 
the most simplistic aspects of a meteorite is out there representing our 
national treasure, NASA! What a let down if this rogue astrologer is allowed 
to continue his personal slime campaign against the private sector!! Shame, 
shame!!


Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupé
The Hupé Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
NaturesVault (eBay & Facebook)
http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault



-Original Message- 
From: Robert Verish

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:41 PM
To: Greg Hupé ; Jodie Reynolds
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax 
Payer Funds)


Hello All,

Given that it was a "free ride", I think Petrus missed an obvious outreach 
opportunity.  BEFORE the airship took off, he should have submitted articles 
to the Sonoma County newspapers soliciting the local residents to look for 
black space-rocks in their yards and driveways.  Mention could have been 
made in advance that an airship would be incorporated in the search effort. 
Would make an interesting article for the local papers.  The airship flying 
over Sonoma would have been free advertising for meteorite recovery.
We've done a good job of saturating the media in Marin County, but nothing 
directed towards Sonoma residents.
We need to stretch the strewn-field into Sonoma County and we're going to 
need a lot of cooperation from the residents.

Bob V.

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, Jodie Reynolds  wrote:


From: Jodie Reynolds 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer 
Funds

To: "Greg Hupé" 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 3:05 PM
Hello Greg and List!

It was my understanding that the airship rides were
contributed.  Is
there reliable information that they're plunking down
NASA-dollars
for that?  Because I agree - that'd be pretty
criminal.

Believe me, no one could possibly be any crankier about
misappropriation of tax-payer dollars than I!  I just
want to make
sure we string up the "right ones".


--- Jodie

Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:10:15 PM, you wrote:

> To All Concerned US Tax Payers...

> I have been troubled by what is a clear
misappropriation of US tax payer
> funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's
financial crisis, this is no
> time to squander our tax dollars!!

> We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was,
as stated in the
> article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not
only are they using a
> privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched
'research', but they
> are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as
stated from the
> article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited
by astronomers
> [NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing
sites from a NASA-hired
> airship."

> In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues
and some NASA
> scientists (who wish to remain anonymous), have all
concluded that finding
> meteorites [of any size] is completely impossible and a
waste of tax payer
> dollars! How can one think you can spot a black rock
the size of a dime, a
> golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000
feet?

> The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is
the private company
> who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of
"The Blimp" and they
> also benefit f

Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

[Michael Blood]

Hi Adam and Paul,

I have long been told (by those who should know)
that finding anything of value does not open you up to
taxes UNTIL you sell it (unless, of course, it is money
you find! -  I'll pay the taxes gladly if anyone wants to
tell me where to find some of the latter).

Personally I find it strange that nearly everyone
Lauds a veteran (which I understand) but despises taxes,
Which I don't get at all. Of course taxes are no fun, but
If we want fire departments, education, police, functional
Roads, bridges, etc, (not to mention the military people
Seam to adore - though we spend as much as the next
Highest 15 nations combined to on our military - much
of which is  based on an obsolete warfare concept - and
uses 42% of each tax dollar we pay). Taxes are essential
to keep all he essential things going.

BTW, cutting funding of PBS ("getting rid of Big Bird
And all preschool and the informational and artistic programming
Provided for PBS would "save" about 1/10th of 1% of what we
Spend on the Military.similar to cutting food programs
For poor kids in schoolvery strange priorities, indeed)

Best regards, Michael



On 11/2/12 4:09 PM, "Adam Hupe"  wrote:

> Hi Paul and List,
> 
> Good question.
> 
> 
> The problem is that the new tax laws, hidden and partially due to the
> Affordable Health Care Act have not yet been fully decoded so nobody knows
> where they stand. My accountant can't even advise me of what to expect in
> 2013.   The laws are so complicated that I can no longer calculate my own tax
> returns.   I was appalled at all of the surprises on my last return which
> included sending out 1099s to friends that help you out if you pay them over
> $600.00.  I only thought this applied to businesses which was repealed.  You
> will be fined $100.00 for every one these 1099s you don't send out.  Pretty
> soon everybody will have to 1099 the newspaper boy, the kid that mows your
> lawn or a neighbor who sold you some personal belongings to make ends meet. 
> 
> 
> The best advise is to talk to an accountant with superhuman skills that can
> decode the new hidden taxes that are not even referred to as taxes.
> 
> 
> I think is time to change the subject and dream about somehow making it back
> out to the field before hypertension sets in.
> 
> 
> Take Care,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Gessler 
> To: meteorite-list 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:50 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES
> 
> All this talk about taxes and the like has raised some old questions for me.
> If this has been discussed before forgive me I missed it.
> 
> Lets say a meteorite falls and you find it then someone sells one from the
> same fall creating a benchmark of value (however fleeting)
> Do you immediately incur a tax liability on the stone you have?
> 
> I remember back in the day when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcguire were in a homerun
> race and the topic came up that whoever caught the
> record beating baseball would immediately be forced to sell it to raise the
> taxes owed on it or pay out some ludicrous amount to the feds in order to keep
> it.
> 
> So what gives?
> 
> I recently read the article about the Novato 100 gram stone being worth
> $10,000
> GREAT! But does the owner now owe a percentage to the tax man
> 
> What are the facts concerning this kind of windfall?
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> -Paul Gessler
> 
> 
> __
> 
> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com
> Meteorite-list mailing list
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

[bill kies]

No taxes are due until the item is sold.
 
> From: cetu...@shaw.ca
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:50:44 -0700
> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES
> 
> All this talk about taxes and the like has raised some old questions for me.
> If this has been discussed before forgive me I missed it.
> 
> Lets say a meteorite falls and you find it then someone sells one from the 
> same fall creating a benchmark of value (however fleeting)
> Do you immediately incur a tax liability on the stone you have?
> 
> I remember back in the day when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcguire were in a 
> homerun race and the topic came up that whoever caught the
> record beating baseball would immediately be forced to sell it to raise the 
> taxes owed on it or pay out some ludicrous amount to the feds in order to 
> keep it.
> 
> So what gives?
> 
> I recently read the article about the Novato 100 gram stone being worth 
> $10,000
> GREAT! But does the owner now owe a percentage to the tax man
> 
> What are the facts concerning this kind of windfall?
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> -Paul Gessler
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Video - Manchester Meteorite Day

[Martin Goff]

Excellent video Luther, really captures the atmosphere of the day. I
think the saying that the camera adds 2 pounds to your weight is wrong
though, as in my case it's clearly added at least 10 pounds! ;-)

Great record of a fantastic day :-)

Cheers

Martin

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[meteorite-list] NASA/SETI missed opportunity + OT: tax strategy

[Matson, Robert D.]

Airship = publicity

I don't think taxpayers are on the hook for any measureable amount of
revenue spent on that "joy trip". Is it scientifically useful?
Absolutely
not. Is it cool to get to fly around in an airship?  Sure -- it's
fabulous! (I've had the pleasure of doing so in a LEGITIMATE work
capacity many years ago.)

That said, like Bob Verish I believe NASA/SETI missed an opportunity
for public outreach in their zeppelin flight: they should have taken
out newspaper/TV/radio ads warning people in advance that live under
the ground track that an airship was going to be flying overhead on a
such and such a day. If anyone saw the airship high above their horizon,
then *THEY* were in the strewn field!

OT: Mike, on your question to Adam about tax strategies, you asked:

"Adam, are you taking full advantage of your allowed deductions?  For
example, if you have an area in your home that dedicated to your
business, you can deduct tax burden based on the square footage of the
home office.  They actually assign a dollar value to each square foot
of your office, so take advantage of that."

While legally true, this is a VERY BAD idea if the tax savings you
are talking about are no more than a few thousand dollars. It is a
major red flag for IRS auditors, so if you decide to claim home use
as a business, the rest of your tax return better be squeaky clean.
In most instances, the tax savings are not worth the risk of an
audit.

Best,
Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

[Adam Hupe]

Hi Paul and List,

Good question.


The problem is that the new tax laws, hidden and partially due to the 
Affordable Health Care Act have not yet been fully decoded so nobody knows 
where they stand. My accountant can't even advise me of what to expect in 2013. 
  The laws are so complicated that I can no longer calculate my own tax 
returns.   I was appalled at all of the surprises on my last return which 
included sending out 1099s to friends that help you out if you pay them over 
$600.00.  I only thought this applied to businesses which was repealed.  You 
will be fined $100.00 for every one these 1099s you don't send out.  Pretty 
soon everybody will have to 1099 the newspaper boy, the kid that mows your lawn 
or a neighbor who sold you some personal belongings to make ends meet.  


The best advise is to talk to an accountant with superhuman skills that can 
decode the new hidden taxes that are not even referred to as taxes. 


I think is time to change the subject and dream about somehow making it back 
out to the field before hypertension sets in. 


Take Care,

Adam


- Original Message -
From: Paul Gessler 
To: meteorite-list 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:50 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

All this talk about taxes and the like has raised some old questions for me.
If this has been discussed before forgive me I missed it.

Lets say a meteorite falls and you find it then someone sells one from the same 
fall creating a benchmark of value (however fleeting)
Do you immediately incur a tax liability on the stone you have?

I remember back in the day when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcguire were in a homerun 
race and the topic came up that whoever caught the
record beating baseball would immediately be forced to sell it to raise the 
taxes owed on it or pay out some ludicrous amount to the feds in order to keep 
it.

So what gives?

I recently read the article about the Novato 100 gram stone being worth $10,000
GREAT! But does the owner now owe a percentage to the tax man

What are the facts concerning this kind of windfall?

Any idea?

-Paul Gessler


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[meteorite-list] meteorites and TAXES

[Paul Gessler]

All this talk about taxes and the like has raised some old questions for me.
If this has been discussed before forgive me I missed it.

Lets say a meteorite falls and you find it then someone sells one from the 
same fall creating a benchmark of value (however fleeting)

Do you immediately incur a tax liability on the stone you have?

I remember back in the day when Sammy Sosa and Mark Mcguire were in a 
homerun race and the topic came up that whoever caught the
record beating baseball would immediately be forced to sell it to raise the 
taxes owed on it or pay out some ludicrous amount to the feds in order to 
keep it.


So what gives?

I recently read the article about the Novato 100 gram stone being worth 
$10,000

GREAT! But does the owner now owe a percentage to the tax man

What are the facts concerning this kind of windfall?

Any idea?

-Paul Gessler


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[meteorite-list] missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds)

[Robert Verish]

Hello All,

Given that it was a "free ride", I think Petrus missed an obvious outreach 
opportunity.  BEFORE the airship took off, he should have submitted articles to 
the Sonoma County newspapers soliciting the local residents to look for black 
space-rocks in their yards and driveways.  Mention could have been made in 
advance that an airship would be incorporated in the search effort.  Would make 
an interesting article for the local papers.  The airship flying over Sonoma 
would have been free advertising for meteorite recovery.  
We've done a good job of saturating the media in Marin County, but nothing 
directed towards Sonoma residents.  
We need to stretch the strewn-field into Sonoma County and we're going to need 
a lot of cooperation from the residents.
Bob V.

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, Jodie Reynolds  wrote:

> From: Jodie Reynolds 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
> To: "Greg Hupé" 
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 3:05 PM
> Hello Greg and List!
> 
> It was my understanding that the airship rides were
> contributed.  Is
> there reliable information that they're plunking down
> NASA-dollars
> for that?  Because I agree - that'd be pretty
> criminal.
> 
> Believe me, no one could possibly be any crankier about
> misappropriation of tax-payer dollars than I!  I just
> want to make
> sure we string up the "right ones".
> 
> 
> --- Jodie
> 
> Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:10:15 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
> 
> > I have been troubled by what is a clear
> misappropriation of US tax payer
> > funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's
> financial crisis, this is no
> > time to squander our tax dollars!!
> 
> > We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was,
> as stated in the
> > article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not
> only are they using a
> > privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched
> 'research', but they
> > are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as
> stated from the 
> > article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited
> by astronomers 
> > [NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing
> sites from a NASA-hired
> > airship."
> 
> > In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues
> and some NASA 
> > scientists (who wish to remain anonymous), have all
> concluded that finding
> > meteorites [of any size] is completely impossible and a
> waste of tax payer
> > dollars! How can one think you can spot a black rock
> the size of a dime, a
> > golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000
> feet?
> 
> > The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is
> the private company
> > who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of
> "The Blimp" and they
> > also benefit from all of the free advertising with
> their logos and web
> > addresses emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!
> 
> > As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites
> floating in the sky is full
> > of hot air!
> 
> > Here is the link the the article I reference:
> > http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260
> 
> > Best Regards,
> > Greg
> 
> > 
> > Greg Hupé
> > The Hupé Collection
> > gmh...@centurylink.net
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> > http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Adam Hupe]

I like the auction style format where the buyer determines the market price is 
the only reason I have stuck to eBay thus far.  It used to be a self-supporting 
hobby that has turned into an expensive one, at least for me.

All of these new eBay customer service rules have tied me down making travel 
nearly impossible.  I wish it was like it was five years ago when you could 
sell something on eBay for a fair price, make a reasonable profit and travel at 
the same time.

I cannot stand regulations and eBay has too many new rules that only serve to 
make a seller work twice as hard.

Take Care,

Adam








- Original Message -
From: Michael Farmer 
To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
Cc: Adam Hupe ; Adam 

Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

Adam, I don't know why you have been having problems for last four years (they 
have been my best money making years). Perhaps eBay is your problem. I have 
abandoned eBay for the most part, because of rising costs and declining service 
and lack of protection for sellers. Sales on eBay collapsed three years ago and 
I stopped wasting my time there. Once Meg Whitman took over and decided that 
screwing the people who make you money (sellers) as hard as they could was a 
the good business decision, I told them very impolitely exactly what they could 
go do with themselves every time they called me begging me to come back and 
start listing again,  You have to adapt to the new economy or it will crush 
you. Perhaps flying more than hundred thousand miles a year on meteorite hunts 
worldwide helps, if I relied on American falls and finds, I would be bankrupt 
by now, and if I hunted like NASA and SETI, I would have bankrupted a small 
state as well.


Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 2, 2012, at 3:15 PM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
 wrote:

> Hi Adam and List,
> 
> When I first started collecting and dealing meteorites, someone said
> "If you want to make a million dollars selling meteorites, start with
> two million dollars.".  I don't recall who said it, but the point was
> clear - you won't get rich selling meteorites.  And they were
> absolutely right.  Sure, a few people are probably doing well by
> selling meteorites and the poorest of us might look at those people
> and consider them "rich" - but they are "baby rich" (the term that the
> super-wealthy use to describe the lesser millionaires underneath them
> on the ladder).
> 
> I swore off eBay a long time ago as a seller.  The fees are ridiculous
> and their buyer-centric policy enforcement is a major PITA.  I saw the
> writing on the wall when they stopped letting sellers leave negative
> feedback for buyers.  Frankly, I am quite surprised that some of you
> other dealers still sell on eBay - but I am glad you do, because it is
> indeed a buyer's market.
> 
> This is for Adam - you said you were already hassled for Gold Basin.
> What does this mean?  Can you share your experience here on the List,
> or in private off-list?  I have some Gold Basin in my inventory and if
> I am going to be "hassled" over it, I rather just stop offering it
> entirely.  I don't make enough money from Gold Basin for it to be
> worth the trouble.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
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> 
> On 11/2/12, Adam Hupe  wrote:
>> Hi MikeG and List Members
>> 
>> 
>> I refuse to get into politics or accounting too deeply here on the List
>> unless it concerns meteorites in some way. My point is that the last four
>> years have been the worst I have ever experienced from a financial
>> standpoint and the low profits from meteorite sales are nearly wiped out due
>> to heavy taxes and eBay/PayPal fees.
>> 
>> Most of my friends have lost their homes and the cost of everything else has
>> nearly doubled due to the price of gas and huge tax increases on the middle
>> class.  Last year was the first time I had to 1099 friends for mere few
>> hundred dollars because they were trying earn a few bucks to hang onto their
>> homes which they lost anyway.  Collectable sales are way down from four
>> years ago because they are not an absolute necessity.
>> 
>> The good news is that there are a lot less people smoking cigarettes because
>> they cannot afford them any more.  Three of my friends quit a few years
>> ago.  Hurray for them!
>> 
>> 
>> On this point, I will not be restocking U.S. meteorite finds because there
>> is absolutely no margin left and the U.S. government is watching eBay for
>> them.  I have already been hassled over Gold Basin.   Once they are gone,
>> somebody else can risk supplyi

[meteorite-list] Front-page of the current edition Novato Advance

[Robert Verish]

The newspaper in Novato is a little behind in this saga:  

http://www.marinscope.com/twin_cities_times/news/article_fd8ae38e-2399-11e2-80ec-001a4bcf887a.html
 

http://www.marinscope.com/archives/article_17a64fc5-93a8-58e6-912e-fa5c9eedd4ad.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Robert Verish]

Greg, Mendy, and All,

To the best of my knowledge, no public (NASA) funds have been spent on this 
meteorite fall.
I will post to this List a local newspaper article that explains that the 
finder (Lisa Webber) gave N01 to her neighbor (Glenn Rivera) because the stone 
hit her house on his birthday.  Subsequently, Glenn has loaned the N01 stone to 
Peter for "scientific studies".  As a result, Glenn was offered and accepted a 
seat on the airship as an observer.  

My bad, for not posting this article before, but I thought all of the Novato 
news stories were over-saturating the List, but now I see there is no such 
thing as too much information.  I promise not to make that mistake again.  I 
will endeavor to do a better job of reporting from the field. 

Bob V.

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, Mendy Ouzillou  wrote:

> From: Mendy Ouzillou 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
> To: "Greg Hupé" , 
> "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:51 PM
> Greg,
> 
> 
> If I could agree more than 100%, I would.
> 
> Some of the "blimp" reports claim the researchers are
> looking for likely areas to hunt.  Crater or no, why can't
> they do this using Google Maps and Google Earth like the
> rest of us.
> 
> My second issue, is why is a private citizen being given a
> free ride.  What are this person's credentials that he can
> add scientific value or meteorite hunting expertise?  I
> want to go on the blimp - sounds like fun and at least I
> know what one looks like.  Even better why not reach out to
> the professional meteorite hunters on this list who have
> shown success over years of hunting in different countries,
> terrains and conditions and work together towards a common
> goal.  I'm willing to bet that 1 hour strategizing with one
> of you pro hunters would pay off infinitely more than 1
> month in a tax-payer waste of money blimp.
> 
> Finally, I have always been a strong supporter of NASA
> (National Aeronautics and Space Administration). This sort
> of thing makes me reconsider that support, especially in
> TERRESTRIAL matters where they are not the experts.
> 
> Gr ...
> 
> Mendy
> 
> >>
> >> From: Greg Hupé 
> >>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> 
> >>Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:10 PM
> >>Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation
> of Tax Payer Funds
> >> 
> >>To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
> >>
> >>I have been troubled by what is a clear
> misappropriation of US tax payer funds by NASA/SETI. At a
> time of this country's financial crisis, this is no time to
> squander our tax dollars!!
> >>
> >>We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that
> was, as stated in the article link below, "... a NASA-hired
> airship." Not only are they using a privately owned "Blimp"
> for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but they are also
> giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the
> article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by
> astronomers [NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite
> crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired airship."
> >>
> >>In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues
> and some NASA scientists (who wish to remain anonymous),
> have all concluded that finding meteorites [of any size] is
> completely impossible and a waste of tax payer dollars! How
> can one think you can spot a black rock the size of
> a dime, a golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of
> 1000 feet?
> >>
> >>The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts
> is the private company who owns "The Blimp". They get paid
> by NASA for use of "The Blimp" and they also benefit from
> all of the free advertising with their logos and web
> addresses emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!
> >>
> >>As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites
> floating in the sky is full of hot air!
> >>
> >>Here is the link the the article I reference:
> >>http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260
> >>
> >>Best Regards,
> >>Greg
> >>
> >>
> >>Greg Hupé
> >>The Hupé Collection
> >>gmh...@centurylink.net
> >>www.LunarRock.com
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> 3163
> >>
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> >>
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[Brandon D.]

Hello Jodie and List,

Rather then looking for actual stones on the ground, could it be they are 
tracking hunters movements, collecting data as finds are made, by whom and 
where, then relaying to individuals on the ground as to where best to search 
based on that info?

-  Brandon D.  -

Jodie Reynolds  wrote:

>Hello Greg and List!
>
>It was my understanding that the airship rides were contributed.  Is
>there reliable information that they're plunking down NASA-dollars
>for that?  Because I agree - that'd be pretty criminal.
>
>Believe me, no one could possibly be any crankier about
>misappropriation of tax-payer dollars than I!  I just want to make
>sure we string up the "right ones".
>
>
>--- Jodie
>
>Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:10:15 PM, you wrote:
>
>> To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
>
>> I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax payer
>> funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this is no
>> time to squander our tax dollars!!
>
>> We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was, as stated in the
>> article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not only are they using a
>> privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but they
>> are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the 
>> article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by astronomers 
>> [NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired
>> airship."
>
>> In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues and some NASA 
>> scientists (who wish to remain anonymous), have all concluded that finding
>> meteorites [of any size] is completely impossible and a waste of tax payer
>> dollars! How can one think you can spot a black rock the size of a dime, a
>> golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000 feet?
>
>> The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is the private company
>> who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of "The Blimp" and they
>> also benefit from all of the free advertising with their logos and web
>> addresses emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!
>
>> As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites floating in the sky is full
>> of hot air!
>
>> Here is the link the the article I reference:
>> http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260
>
>> Best Regards,
>> Greg
>
>> 
>> Greg Hupé
>> The Hupé Collection
>> gmh...@centurylink.net
>> www.LunarRock.com
>> NaturesVault (eBay & Facebook)
>> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
>> IMCA 3163
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Jodie Reynolds]

Hello Greg and List!

It was my understanding that the airship rides were contributed.  Is
there reliable information that they're plunking down NASA-dollars
for that?  Because I agree - that'd be pretty criminal.

Believe me, no one could possibly be any crankier about
misappropriation of tax-payer dollars than I!  I just want to make
sure we string up the "right ones".


--- Jodie

Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:10:15 PM, you wrote:

> To All Concerned US Tax Payers...

> I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax payer
> funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this is no
> time to squander our tax dollars!!

> We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was, as stated in the
> article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not only are they using a
> privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but they
> are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the 
> article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by astronomers 
> [NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired
> airship."

> In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues and some NASA 
> scientists (who wish to remain anonymous), have all concluded that finding
> meteorites [of any size] is completely impossible and a waste of tax payer
> dollars! How can one think you can spot a black rock the size of a dime, a
> golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000 feet?

> The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is the private company
> who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of "The Blimp" and they
> also benefit from all of the free advertising with their logos and web
> addresses emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!

> As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites floating in the sky is full
> of hot air!

> Here is the link the the article I reference:
> http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260

> Best Regards,
> Greg

> 
> Greg Hupé
> The Hupé Collection
> gmh...@centurylink.net
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> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
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> 
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[meteorite-list] AD - MONZE L6 Zambia observed fall

[Marcin Cimala]

Hello List
I have listed new specimens of MONZE from the only! Zambia observed fall and
their only meteorite ever found.

Full slices and two endpieces. All polished with display boxes.

http://www.polandmet.com/_monze.htm

I also added right now several small shale slices of Santa Catharina ataxite 
(or IAB)


http://www.polandmet.com/_santa_catharina.htm


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http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Adam Hupe]

Hi MikeG and List Members


I refuse to get into politics or accounting too deeply here on the List unless 
it concerns meteorites in some way. My point is that the last four years have 
been the worst I have ever experienced from a financial standpoint and the low 
profits from meteorite sales are nearly wiped out due to heavy taxes and 
eBay/PayPal fees.

Most of my friends have lost their homes and the cost of everything else has 
nearly doubled due to the price of gas and huge tax increases on the middle 
class.  Last year was the first time I had to 1099 friends for mere few hundred 
dollars because they were trying earn a few bucks to hang onto their homes 
which they lost anyway.  Collectable sales are way down from four years ago 
because they are not an absolute necessity.

The good news is that there are a lot less people smoking cigarettes because 
they cannot afford them any more.  Three of my friends quit a few years ago.  
Hurray for them!


On this point, I will not be restocking U.S. meteorite finds because there is 
absolutely no margin left and the U.S. government is watching eBay for them.  I 
have already been hassled over Gold Basin.   Once they are gone, somebody else 
can risk supplying the market with them.  It seems the U.S. market is going 
underground as predicted anyway due to mass hype in the media and unnecessary 
new governmental restrictions.

      

Happy Collecting, it is definitely a buyers market,

Adam



- Original Message -
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
To: Adam Hupe 
Cc: Adam 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

Hi Adam and List,

It's always the poor and middle class that get hit the hardest.  The
super-rich have excellent accountants and financial advisors, and they
take advantage of loopholes and grey areas that the average person is
not aware of.

Adam, are you taking full advantage of your allowed deductions?  For
example, if you have an area in your home that dedicated to your
business, you can deduct tax burden based on the square footage of the
home office.  They actually assign a dollar value to each square foot
of your office, so take advantage of that.

The computer you are reading this on - deductible as a business
expense.  Also, if you computer is used for internet-based commerce,
you can also deduct a portion of your internet provider fees.

You can also shelter some of your profits by putting it into a trust
for a grandchild or relative.

Going to Walmart to buy packing materials?  Not only can you write off
the materials you buy, you can write off the gas you spent to drive
there.

Do you conduct business with dealers or collectors via telephone?  If
so, you can write off the phone bill as a business expense.

If you don't already have one, get yourself a really good accountant
who knows all of the loopholes and will help you take advantage of
them.

Or, as a last resort measure, do what the ultra-wealthy do : transfer
some of your cash to an offshore or foreign bank.  Or, stick a giant
wad of cash into a safety deposit box and let it sit there - it won't
gather interest, but it will be invisible for tax purposes.

People talk about how high the tax rates are for businesses and
corporations, but very few of the big companies pay anything close to
the tax rate.  The General Electric company recently got a REFUND and
the last couple of years, their tax burden has been well under 10%.
Try finding a company that pays the full tax rate - it's difficult to
do, although many mom and pop small businesses have to pay.  But
generally speaking, the bigger the company, the bigger the money
involved, the more they manipulate their finances to dodge their tax
burden.  Go down the list of Fortune 500 companies, and I would wager
that only a small handful of them pay more than a 20% rate.  Some of
them pay nothing or next to nothing.

The little guys have to pay so much, in part, because the big guys
aren't paying their share -
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-36945095/top-25-corporate-tax-dodgers/

Read that linked article and you'll see what I mean.

Back to meteorites - yes, the blimp/airship/whatever is a total waste
of money.  What is next?  Are we going to bring Gary Powers back from
the dead and have him fly a U2 over strewnfields?  It's downright
silly.  Sure, you might be able to see a large impact crater from an
airship, but it would have to be really BIG and such a feature could
be easily spotted on the ground.  I'll change my name to Nancyboy
Fancypants if a single meteorite is found by using a blimp.

I am generally very supportive of NASA and SETI.  But this blimp
nonsense seems like an attempt to garner media attention and not a
method to find meteorites.

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Adam and List,

It's always the poor and middle class that get hit the hardest.  The
super-rich have excellent accountants and financial advisors, and they
take advantage of loopholes and grey areas that the average person is
not aware of.

Adam, are you taking full advantage of your allowed deductions?  For
example, if you have an area in your home that dedicated to your
business, you can deduct tax burden based on the square footage of the
home office.  They actually assign a dollar value to each square foot
of your office, so take advantage of that.

The computer you are reading this on - deductible as a business
expense.  Also, if you computer is used for internet-based commerce,
you can also deduct a portion of your internet provider fees.

You can also shelter some of your profits by putting it into a trust
for a grandchild or relative.

Going to Walmart to buy packing materials?  Not only can you write off
the materials you buy, you can write off the gas you spent to drive
there.

Do you conduct business with dealers or collectors via telephone?  If
so, you can write off the phone bill as a business expense.

If you don't already have one, get yourself a really good accountant
who knows all of the loopholes and will help you take advantage of
them.

Or, as a last resort measure, do what the ultra-wealthy do : transfer
some of your cash to an offshore or foreign bank.  Or, stick a giant
wad of cash into a safety deposit box and let it sit there - it won't
gather interest, but it will be invisible for tax purposes.

People talk about how high the tax rates are for businesses and
corporations, but very few of the big companies pay anything close to
the tax rate.  The General Electric company recently got a REFUND and
the last couple of years, their tax burden has been well under 10%.
Try finding a company that pays the full tax rate - it's difficult to
do, although many mom and pop small businesses have to pay.  But
generally speaking, the bigger the company, the bigger the money
involved, the more they manipulate their finances to dodge their tax
burden.  Go down the list of Fortune 500 companies, and I would wager
that only a small handful of them pay more than a 20% rate.  Some of
them pay nothing or next to nothing.

The little guys have to pay so much, in part, because the big guys
aren't paying their share -
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-36945095/top-25-corporate-tax-dodgers/

Read that linked article and you'll see what I mean.

Back to meteorites - yes, the blimp/airship/whatever is a total waste
of money.  What is next?  Are we going to bring Gary Powers back from
the dead and have him fly a U2 over strewnfields?  It's downright
silly.  Sure, you might be able to see a large impact crater from an
airship, but it would have to be really BIG and such a feature could
be easily spotted on the ground.  I'll change my name to Nancyboy
Fancypants if a single meteorite is found by using a blimp.

I am generally very supportive of NASA and SETI.  But this blimp
nonsense seems like an attempt to garner media attention and not a
method to find meteorites.

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG

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On 11/2/12, Adam Hupe  wrote:
> Yes, our tax burden is at record levels. 28% collectable capitol gains plus
>
> 15% FICA plus multiple fees(taxes) attached to nearly everything including
> the water we drink; What an outrage!  Remember this when you bid on
> meteorites on
> eBay. Since they are collectables like gold, silver and platinum, the
> seller is being taxed at the highest possible capital gains tax rate
> which is expected to go up depending on who is elected.
>
>
> Who says the middle class isn't being squeezed harder than ever before?  To
> see our hard earned money wasted on frivolous pursuits like blimp rides
> under the name of science beyond ridiculous.
>
> Some of my thoughts as unlisted private home and cell phones are ringing off
> the hook incessantly with political robocalls trying to get my vote.
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Greg Hupé 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:10 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
>
> To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
>
> I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax payer
> funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this is no
> time to squander our tax dollars!!
>
> We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was, as stated in the
> article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not only are they using a
> privately owned "Blimp" for frivol

[meteorite-list] Video - Manchester Meteorite Day

[Bernd V. Pauli]

Thank you, Luther, for sharing your vid with all of us. Very busy,
a lot of action and, evidently, a lot of satisfaction and enthusiasm
on both sides of the tables!

=> http://youtu.be/jLJ7iY9o06o

Cheers from rainy, windy
Southern Germany,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Anne Black]

Yes, that does not make any sense.
Alan Rubin did the classification, and called it an L6, one of the most 
commun types of meteorites.


From Bob Verish's email:

It is an L6 breccia.  W0  S4
olivine Fa 24.1±0.4 (n=21)
Low-Ca pyx Fs20.7±0.5  Wo1.5±0.2 (n=22)
Ca-pyx Fs8.0±0.7 Wo44.7±0.8 (n=5)
The chromite grains are somewhat richer in Al2O3 (6.4 wt.%) and MgO 
(3.4 wt.%)

than unshocked OC chromite, but are more characteristic of shocked and
shock-melted chromite grains.
Most of the metallic Fe-Ni is taenite with 77.7±5.0 wt.% Fe, 21.4±5.4 
wt.% Ni
and 0.51±0.18 wt.% Co (n=18).  Only one kamacite grain was identified 
(7.2 wt.%

Ni and 1.1 wt.% Co).
The Co content of this single grain is intermediate between the ranges 
for L
(0.70-0.95 wt.% Co) and LL (1.42-37.0 wt.% Co) chondrites, but is 
closer to L.


Plagioclase: Ab86.0±0.6 Or7.0±0.4 (n=14) is richer in alkalis than 
typical OC

plagioclase, and probably reflects shock melting.

Troilite is essentially pure FeS; it contains no detectable Cr, Co or 
Ni.



Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Mendy Ouzillou 
To: Greg Hupé ; meteorite-list 


Sent: Fri, Nov 2, 2012 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer 
Funds



I'm sure the reporter misquoted and misunderstood some of the things 
they were

told but this paragraph is still disturbing on so many levels:

Jenniskens told Rivera that the space rock is one of only 20 ever found 
of that

particular type.
"All the researchers are stoked because it's a really rare one," Rivera 
said.

Jenniskens invited Rivera to join him and another scientist on the
airship ride over Novato and parts of unincorporated Sonoma County,
following the trajectory of the Oct. 17 fireball. Rivera said he took 
an oath

not to tell what they saw for fear that rogue meteorite hunters —
eager to sell galactic collectibles on eBay — might pounce on new
potential meteorite locations and rob scientists' ability to research
more rocks.

http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260

Mendy









From: Mendy Ouzillou 


To: Greg Hupé ; 

"meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"


Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer 

Funds


Greg,


If I could agree more than 100%, I would.

Some of the "blimp" reports claim the researchers are looking for 

likely areas
to hunt.  Crater or no, why can't they do this using Google Maps and 
Google

Earth like the rest of us.


My second issue, is why is a private citizen being given a free ride.  

What are
this person's credentials that he can add scientific value or meteorite 
hunting
expertise?  I want to go on the blimp - sounds like fun and at least I 
know what
one looks like.  Even better why not reach out to the professional 
meteorite
hunters on this list who have shown success over years of hunting in 
different
countries, terrains and conditions and work together towards a common 
goal.  I'm
willing to bet that 1 hour strategizing with one of you pro hunters 
would pay

off infinitely more than 1 month in a tax-payer waste of money blimp.


Finally, I have always been a strong supporter of NASA (National 

Aeronautics
and Space Administration). This sort of thing makes me reconsider that 
support,

especially in TERRESTRIAL matters where they are not the experts.


Gr ...

Mendy



From: Greg Hupé 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer 

Funds


To All Concerned US Tax Payers...

I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax 

payer
funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this 
is no

time to squander our tax dollars!!


We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was, as stated in 

the
article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not only are they using 
a
privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but 
they are
also giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the 
article,
"Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by astronomers 
[NASA/SETI] to hunt

for more meteorite crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired airship."


In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues and some NASA 

scientists
(who wish to remain anonymous), have all concluded that finding 
meteorites [of
any size] is completely impossible and a waste of tax payer dollars! 
How can one

think you can spot a black rock the size of

a dime, a golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000 feet?


The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is the private 

company
who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of "The Blimp" and 
they also
benefit from all of the free advertising with their logos and web 
addresses

emblazoned on the sides of "T

Re: [meteorite-list] Is new Morasko find the largest meteorite in Europe?

[Michael Farmer]

Zaragoza was a single mass, I know because it is almost all sitting in my 
house! Anyone want some? Contact me or Jim Strope, co-owner.
Michael Farmer 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:13 AM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
 wrote:

> Hi Bob,
> 
> AFAIK, the largest meteorite on display in any European museum is the
> Cranbourne meteorite which weighs about 3.5 tons.  However, this
> meteorite was found in Australia and is not native to Europe.
> 
> NOTE - the numbers shown below are TKW weights and not weights for a
> single mass - unless otherwise noted in the Bulletin.
> 
> Largest European meteorites (by TKW) according to the Met Bulletin :
> 
> GERMANY - Bitburg - 1.5 metric tons
> FRANCE - La Caille - 626kg
> ITALY - Alfianello - 228kg
> POLAND - Morasko - 290kg
> ROMANIA - Mocs - 300kg
> 
> Armenia - Kulp - 3.72kg
> Austria - Mauerkirchen - 19kg
> Belgium - Tourinnes-la-Grosse - 14.5kg
> Bosnia - Zavid - 95kg
> Bulgaria - Rasgrad - 24.7kg
> Croatia - Hraschina - 49kg
> Czech Republic - Elbogen - 107kg
> Denmark - Jerslev - 40kg
> Estonia - Tennasilm - 28.5kg
> Greece - Seres - 8.5kg
> Hungary - Ofehértó - 3.75kg
> Ireland - Limerick - 50kg
> Latvia - Nerft - 10.25kg
> Lithuania - Zemaitkiemis - 44.1kg
> Netherlands - Utrecht - 9.7kg
> Norway - Finmarken - 78.3kg
> Serbia and Montenegro - Dimitrovgrad - 100kg (single mass)
> Slovakia - Magura - 150kg
> Slovenia - Javorje - 4.92kg
> Spain - Zaragoza - 162kg
> Sweden - Muonionalusta - 230kg
> Switzerland - Twannberg - 20.69kg
> 
> That is what I could find in the Bulletin.  Does anyone know if any of
> the above TKW's represent a single mass?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
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> On 11/2/12, Bob King  wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> Is the new 300 kg (probably a few kg less once cleaned) the biggest to
>> date found in Europe?
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
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[meteorite-list] Shooting Stars explained

[cdtucson]

List, 
There is a lot of crap floating around in space.  click here for explanation by 
NASA;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54eTVpHZvb8

Carl
Meteoritemax

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[meteorite-list] Video - Manchester Meteorite Day

[Luther Jackson]

Hi list,

Martin Goff has already posted some nice photos of our fun day last weekend, 
when he, I and Graham Ensor displayed two tables worth of our collections to 
the public. 

I've created a short video of our setup, which captures the buzz of the day. 
There is also an 'identify the meteorite' freeze frame in the vid which you 
might find fun to have a go at!

http://youtu.be/jLJ7iY9o06o

Cheers,

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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Mendy Ouzillou]

I'm sure the reporter misquoted and misunderstood some of the things they were 
told but this paragraph is still disturbing on so many levels:

Jenniskens told Rivera that the space rock is one of only 20 ever found of that 
particular type.
"All the researchers are stoked because it's a really rare one," Rivera said.
Jenniskens invited Rivera to join him and another scientist on the 
airship ride over Novato and parts of unincorporated Sonoma County, 
following the trajectory of the Oct. 17 fireball. Rivera said he took an oath 
not to tell what they saw for fear that rogue meteorite hunters — 
eager to sell galactic collectibles on eBay — might pounce on new 
potential meteorite locations and rob scientists' ability to research 
more rocks.

http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260

Mendy







>
> From: Mendy Ouzillou 
>To: Greg Hupé ; "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> 
>Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
> 
>Greg,
>
>
>If I could agree more than 100%, I would.
>
>Some of the "blimp" reports claim the researchers are looking for likely areas 
>to hunt.  Crater or no, why can't they do this using Google Maps and Google 
>Earth like the rest of us.
>
>My second issue, is why is a private citizen being given a free ride.  What 
>are this person's credentials that he can add scientific value or meteorite 
>hunting expertise?  I want to go on the blimp - sounds like fun and at least I 
>know what one looks like.  Even better why not reach out to the professional 
>meteorite hunters on this list who have shown success over years of hunting in 
>different countries, terrains and conditions and work together towards a 
>common goal.  I'm willing to bet that 1 hour strategizing with one of you pro 
>hunters would pay off infinitely more than 1 month in a tax-payer waste of 
>money blimp.
>
>Finally, I have always been a strong supporter of NASA (National Aeronautics 
>and Space Administration). This sort of thing makes me reconsider that 
>support, especially in TERRESTRIAL matters where they are not the experts.
>
>Gr ...
>
>Mendy
>
>>>
>>> From: Greg Hupé 
>>>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
>>>Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:10 PM
>>>Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
>>> 
>>>To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
>>>
>>>I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax payer 
>>>funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this is no 
>>>time to squander our tax dollars!!
>>>
>>>We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was, as stated in the 
>>>article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not only are they using a 
>>>privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but they 
>>>are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the 
>>>article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by astronomers 
>>>[NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired 
>>>airship."
>>>
>>>In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues and some NASA 
>>>scientists (who wish to remain anonymous), have all concluded that finding 
>>>meteorites [of any size] is completely impossible and a waste of tax payer 
>>>dollars! How can one think you can spot a black rock the size of
>a dime, a golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000 feet?
>>>
>>>The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is the private company 
>>>who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of "The Blimp" and they 
>>>also benefit from all of the free advertising with their logos and web 
>>>addresses emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!
>>>
>>>As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites floating in the sky is full 
>>>of hot air!
>>>
>>>Here is the link the the article I reference:
>>>http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Greg
>>>
>>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Adam Hupe]

Yes, our tax burden is at record levels. 28% collectable capitol gains plus 
15% FICA plus multiple fees(taxes) attached to nearly everything including the 
water we drink; What an outrage!  Remember this when you bid on meteorites on 
eBay. Since they are collectables like gold, silver and platinum, the 
seller is being taxed at the highest possible capital gains tax rate 
which is expected to go up depending on who is elected. 


Who says the middle class isn't being squeezed harder than ever before?  To see 
our hard earned money wasted on frivolous pursuits like blimp rides under the 
name of science beyond ridiculous.

Some of my thoughts as unlisted private home and cell phones are ringing off 
the hook incessantly with political robocalls trying to get my vote. 


Adam




- Original Message -
From: Greg Hupé 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

To All Concerned US Tax Payers...

I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax payer funds 
by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this is no time to 
squander our tax dollars!!

We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was, as stated in the article 
link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not only are they using a privately 
owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but they are also 
giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the article, "Glenn 
Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by astronomers [NASA/SETI] to hunt for 
more meteorite crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired airship."

In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues and some NASA scientists 
(who wish to remain anonymous), have all concluded that finding meteorites [of 
any size] is completely impossible and a waste of tax payer dollars! How can 
one think you can spot a black rock the size of a dime, a golf ball or even a 
basketball from an altitude of 1000 feet?

The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is the private company who 
owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of "The Blimp" and they also 
benefit from all of the free advertising with their logos and web addresses 
emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!

As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites floating in the sky is full of 
hot air!

Here is the link the the article I reference:
http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260

Best Regards,
Greg


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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Mendy Ouzillou]

Greg,


If I could agree more than 100%, I would.

Some of the "blimp" reports claim the researchers are looking for likely areas 
to hunt.  Crater or no, why can't they do this using Google Maps and Google 
Earth like the rest of us.

My second issue, is why is a private citizen being given a free ride.  What are 
this person's credentials that he can add scientific value or meteorite hunting 
expertise?  I want to go on the blimp - sounds like fun and at least I know 
what one looks like.  Even better why not reach out to the professional 
meteorite hunters on this list who have shown success over years of hunting in 
different countries, terrains and conditions and work together towards a common 
goal.  I'm willing to bet that 1 hour strategizing with one of you pro hunters 
would pay off infinitely more than 1 month in a tax-payer waste of money blimp.

Finally, I have always been a strong supporter of NASA (National Aeronautics 
and Space Administration). This sort of thing makes me reconsider that support, 
especially in TERRESTRIAL matters where they are not the experts.

Gr ...

Mendy

>>
>> From: Greg Hupé 
>>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
>>Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:10 PM
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
>> 
>>To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
>>
>>I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax payer 
>>funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this is no 
>>time to squander our tax dollars!!
>>
>>We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was, as stated in the 
>>article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not only are they using a 
>>privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but they 
>>are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the 
>>article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by astronomers 
>>[NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired 
>>airship."
>>
>>In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues and some NASA scientists 
>>(who wish to remain anonymous), have all concluded that finding meteorites 
>>[of any size] is completely impossible and a waste of tax payer dollars! How 
>>can one think you can spot a black rock the size of
a dime, a golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000 feet?
>>
>>The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is the private company 
>>who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of "The Blimp" and they 
>>also benefit from all of the free advertising with their logos and web 
>>addresses emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!
>>
>>As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites floating in the sky is full 
>>of hot air!
>>
>>Here is the link the the article I reference:
>>http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>Greg
>>
>>
>>Greg Hupé
>>The Hupé Collection
>>gmh...@centurylink.net
>>www.LunarRock.com
>>NaturesVault (eBay & Facebook)
>>http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
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3163
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[meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds

[Greg Hupé]

To All Concerned US Tax Payers...

I have been troubled by what is a clear misappropriation of US tax payer 
funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's financial crisis, this is no 
time to squander our tax dollars!!


We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was, as stated in the 
article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not only are they using a 
privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched 'research', but they 
are also giving free joy rides to private citizens as stated from the 
article, "Glenn Rivera [a private citizen] was invited by astronomers 
[NASA/SETI] to hunt for more meteorite crash-landing sites from a NASA-hired 
airship."


In recent conversations, I and many of my colleagues and some NASA 
scientists (who wish to remain anonymous), have all concluded that finding 
meteorites [of any size] is completely impossible and a waste of tax payer 
dollars! How can one think you can spot a black rock the size of a dime, a 
golf ball or even a basketball from an altitude of 1000 feet?


The only entity that benefits from these dream hunts is the private company 
who owns "The Blimp". They get paid by NASA for use of "The Blimp" and they 
also benefit from all of the free advertising with their logos and web 
addresses emblazoned on the sides of "The Blimp"!


As far as I am concerned, hunting for meteorites floating in the sky is full 
of hot air!


Here is the link the the article I reference:
http://novato.patch.com/articles/hunt-goes-on-for-more-meteorites#photo-12000260

Best Regards,
Greg


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Re: [meteorite-list] A three-dimensional X-ray 'flight' through Sutter's Mill #73

[karmaka]

Hi Matthew,

no, they are not my videos. I merely found them and thought
you would be interested to watch and enjoy them as I did. The videos are from 
the
Center for Molecular and Genomic Imaging at the University of California Davis

Let's thank them for sharing these images!
 
Best regards,
 
Martin
 
Von: Matthew Martin 
An: karmaka 
Cc: MeteorList 
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] A three-dimensional X-ray 'flight' through 
Sutter's Mill #73
Datum: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:51:58 +0100
 
 
Martin,Thanks for sharing your X-ray videos of SM73.  That is a very neat use 
of technology to peek inside a meteorite without cutting it.  There's a very 
interesting looking inclusion in that stone--the grouping of white blebs in the 
second video (SM73 Loc8) at about the 12 second mark is extremely neat as they 
appear encased in a membrane-like bubble.  Would any of the scientists on the 
list know what that grouping might be?Aloha,MatthewMeteorite Treasures

2012/11/1 karmaka 
A three-dimensional X-ray 'flight' through the 8.1 g Sutter's Mill specimen #73
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ-qCTRaEoA
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSnhBryLwBw
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsG6N_fUVDg
 
 Enjoy!
 
 Martin
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New fall Tata region found

[Aziz Habibilp]

Check the day in the list archive
It must be there is a week or so

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 02 Nov 2012 à 17:28, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks"  
a écrit :

> Hi Aziz and List,
> 
> Is there a date for this new fall?  I'd like to add it to my list of
> recent falls that I maintain, but I need some more information first.
> 
> This has been a busy year for falls and this would be the ninth fall
> of this year and the most falls in any year since 2008 (10 falls, 9
> official plus Zunhua).
> 
> Recent falls list - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/falls
> 
> Best regards,
> 
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>> Great news, Habibi!
>> I agree, the whole world has gone insane with pricing due to television and
>> media hype!
>> 
>> Are you able to post any images of the new material?
>> 
>> Best Regards,
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>> 
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>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Aziz Habibilp
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:06 PM
>> To: meteorite list
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] New fall Tata region found
>> 
>> Hello
>> The new fall of Tata is found
>> I'm told it look like an l6
>> Has iron
>> But the story turn vinaigrette
>> The finders are asking price of Martian
>> I told so last year now no body sell
>> Advertising and tv news paper make a story
>> Now every fall in nwa will be priced Tissint we need time that people
>> understand its not mars
>> All the best
>> Aziz h
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New fall Tata region found

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Aziz and List,

Is there a date for this new fall?  I'd like to add it to my list of
recent falls that I maintain, but I need some more information first.

This has been a busy year for falls and this would be the ninth fall
of this year and the most falls in any year since 2008 (10 falls, 9
official plus Zunhua).

Recent falls list - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/falls

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On 11/2/12, Greg Hupé  wrote:
> Great news, Habibi!
> I agree, the whole world has gone insane with pricing due to television and
> media hype!
>
> Are you able to post any images of the new material?
>
> Best Regards,
> Greg
>
> 
> Greg Hupé
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> gmh...@centurylink.net
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> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
> IMCA 3163
> 
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aziz Habibilp
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: meteorite list
> Subject: [meteorite-list] New fall Tata region found
>
> Hello
> The new fall of Tata is found
> I'm told it look like an l6
> Has iron
> But the story turn vinaigrette
> The finders are asking price of Martian
> I told so last year now no body sell
> Advertising and tv news paper make a story
> Now every fall in nwa will be priced Tissint we need time that people
> understand its not mars
> All the best
> Aziz h
>
>
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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Re: [meteorite-list] New fall Tata region found

[Greg Hupé]

Great news, Habibi!
I agree, the whole world has gone insane with pricing due to television and 
media hype!


Are you able to post any images of the new material?

Best Regards,
Greg


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-Original Message- 
From: Aziz Habibilp

Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:06 PM
To: meteorite list
Subject: [meteorite-list] New fall Tata region found

Hello
The new fall of Tata is found
I'm told it look like an l6
Has iron
But the story turn vinaigrette
The finders are asking price of Martian
I told so last year now no body sell
Advertising and tv news paper make a story
Now every fall in nwa will be priced Tissint we need time that people 
understand its not mars

All the best
Aziz h


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[meteorite-list] New fall Tata region found

[Aziz Habibilp]

Hello 
The new fall of Tata is found 
I'm told it look like an l6
Has iron 
But the story turn vinaigrette 
The finders are asking price of Martian
I told so last year now no body sell
Advertising and tv news paper make a story
Now every fall in nwa will be priced Tissint we need time that people 
understand its not mars
All the best
Aziz h


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Re: [meteorite-list] Is new Morasko find the largest meteorite in Europe?

[Bob King]

Thanks Martin for the information. I appreciate it.
Bob

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Bob King  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Is the new 300 kg (probably a few kg less once cleaned) the biggest to
> date found in Europe?
> Thanks,
> Bob
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Re: [meteorite-list] A three-dimensional X-ray 'flight' through Sutter's Mill

[Mendy Ouzillou]

I noticed that as well.  Definitely looked like a xenolith.  Too bad it is not 
in color.

Mendy Ouzillou

On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:11 AM,  wrote:

Outstanding.

Check out the chondrule bag on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSnhBryLwBw. 
Starting at 11 seconds and running to about 17 seconds, there appears to be a 
spherical structure that contains a bunch of chondrules of various sizes. 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Is new Morasko find the largest meteorite in Europe?

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Bob,

AFAIK, the largest meteorite on display in any European museum is the
Cranbourne meteorite which weighs about 3.5 tons.  However, this
meteorite was found in Australia and is not native to Europe.

NOTE - the numbers shown below are TKW weights and not weights for a
single mass - unless otherwise noted in the Bulletin.

Largest European meteorites (by TKW) according to the Met Bulletin :

GERMANY - Bitburg - 1.5 metric tons
FRANCE - La Caille - 626kg
ITALY - Alfianello - 228kg
POLAND - Morasko - 290kg
ROMANIA - Mocs - 300kg

Armenia - Kulp - 3.72kg
Austria - Mauerkirchen - 19kg
Belgium - Tourinnes-la-Grosse - 14.5kg
Bosnia - Zavid - 95kg
Bulgaria - Rasgrad - 24.7kg
Croatia - Hraschina - 49kg
Czech Republic - Elbogen - 107kg
Denmark - Jerslev - 40kg
Estonia - Tennasilm - 28.5kg
Greece - Seres - 8.5kg
Hungary - Ofehértó - 3.75kg
Ireland - Limerick - 50kg
Latvia - Nerft - 10.25kg
Lithuania - Zemaitkiemis - 44.1kg
Netherlands - Utrecht - 9.7kg
Norway - Finmarken - 78.3kg
Serbia and Montenegro - Dimitrovgrad - 100kg (single mass)
Slovakia - Magura - 150kg
Slovenia - Javorje - 4.92kg
Spain - Zaragoza - 162kg
Sweden - Muonionalusta - 230kg
Switzerland - Twannberg - 20.69kg

That is what I could find in the Bulletin.  Does anyone know if any of
the above TKW's represent a single mass?

Best regards,

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> Is the new 300 kg (probably a few kg less once cleaned) the biggest to
> date found in Europe?
> Thanks,
> Bob
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is new Morasko find the largest meteorite in Europe?

[Martin Goff]

Hi Bob/List,

Although the new Morasko find is large at 300kg the meteorite of La
Caille, first found in the mid 17thth century in France weighed 625kg
so is definitely larger :-)

Cheers

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[meteorite-list] A three-dimensional X-ray 'flight' through Sutter's Mill

[valparint]

Outstanding.

Check out the chondrule bag on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSnhBryLwBw. 
Starting at 11 seconds and running to about 17 seconds, there appears to be a 
spherical structure that contains a bunch of chondrules of various sizes. 

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[meteorite-list] Is new Morasko find the largest meteorite in Europe?

[Bob King]

Hi everyone,
Is the new 300 kg (probably a few kg less once cleaned) the biggest to
date found in Europe?
Thanks,
Bob
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Re: [meteorite-list] WE FOUND BIGGEST POLISH METEORITE 300kg!

[Craig Moody]

Congratulations to all!  A stunning find, and well worth the extreme effort.  
that looked like a dangerous hole to be digging in, but I would have gladly 
helped, if I was there.  Where is this going to end up?  Hopefully not on a saw 
table.  Again, congrats!!
Cheers,
Craig Moody
IMCA 6276

> From: starry...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:21:25 +0100
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] WE FOUND BIGGEST POLISH METEORITE 300kg!
>
> Dear List Members!
>
> The splendid find!
> WE FOUND BIGGEST POLISH METEORITE!
>
> More information You can see in my website:
> http://www.artmet-meteoryty.pl/en/wydarzenia/szczeguly.php?pokaz=14
>
>
> Kind Regards,
> Lukas Smula
> IMCA #2551
> www.artmet-meteoryty.pl
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Re: [meteorite-list] WE FOUND BIGGEST POLISH METEORITE 300kg!

[John Lutzon]

Lukas,

ABSOLUTELY SUPER!!

John Lutzon
IMCA# 1896


- Original Message - 
From: "ART - MET" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] WE FOUND BIGGEST POLISH METEORITE 300kg!


Dear List Members!

The splendid find!
WE FOUND BIGGEST POLISH METEORITE!

More information You can see in my website:
http://www.artmet-meteoryty.pl/en/wydarzenia/szczeguly.php?pokaz=14


Kind Regards,
Lukas Smula
IMCA #2551
www.artmet-meteoryty.pl
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[valparint]

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 7317

Contributed by: John Lutzon

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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