[meteorite-list] my response to an approach by a journalist
I run an ad in Ireland thats been up for a couple of years now and I was approached by a journo who wanted to talk to me and maybe do a piece.I googled him and saw his work and immediately knew I wanted nothing to do with him or his article.You can see my response to him about halfway down the comments on my ad.His name was Samuel Hamilton. http://http://www.adverts.ie/crazy-random-stuff/meteorites-for- sale/400040 there are fair and reasonable journalists out there who are interested in the truth about meteorites no doubt.Just be careful and do a bit of research first would be my suggestion. all the best from Ireland Jim http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] my response to an approach by a journalist
Hi everyone, As a journalist (I'm a newspaper photographer) and someone who works with journalists every day I have a few thoughts on this topic. In newsrooms and TV stations across the U.S. the number of reporters is dwindling. The few left are asked to do stories well outside their areas of expertise, and although many try to get it right, they unfortunately lack the background and often the time to provide the depth needed to satisfy a particular interest group. That should still not be an excuse. I do know this - reporters hate being wrong. The last thing they want to see is a fact in their story in the corrections column in the next day's paper. The better reporters will call the subject back during the writing of or after they've written the story but before publication to verify they've got it right. My suggestions: 1. Carefully frame what you want to say so a reporter fully understands the essence of the story. 2. Respectfully suggest to the reporter to call you back anytime with questions or for verification of details. 3. If the story is factually wrong when published, call or e-mail the reporter and request a correction. If you get flack, ask to speak to his or her editor. 4. If #3 doesn't work, write a letter to the editor. 5. Remember that in the end you don't control the story. The reporter will be talking to other experts (we hope!) in your field of interest and blending in different points of view. Again, a good reporter should call you back when there's a big discrepancy between what you say and the other subject's point of view. Thanks, Bob On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:19 AM, jim_brady...@o2.co.uk wrote: I run an ad in Ireland thats been up for a couple of years now and I was approached by a journo who wanted to talk to me and maybe do a piece.I googled him and saw his work and immediately knew I wanted nothing to do with him or his article.You can see my response to him about halfway down the comments on my ad.His name was Samuel Hamilton. http://http://www.adverts.ie/crazy-random-stuff/meteorites-for- sale/400040 there are fair and reasonable journalists out there who are interested in the truth about meteorites no doubt.Just be careful and do a bit of research first would be my suggestion. all the best from Ireland Jim http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite
Hi Jason, no offense, but only a remark. You're always pretty fast, when it's about blaming sellers to be dishonest or fraudulent. In my personal opinion that doesn't fit directly well together with some offerings on your webpage. For instance some of the Martians, there it is not directly clear for the reader, whether the specimens, which you reckon to be paired to black beauty - NWA 7034 are parts of the original stones, which were numbered or whether they will be still classified and will receive an own NWA number or whether they were told by a scientist to be paired and remain unnumbered or whether it's your personal opinion based on your experience. Same to some extent with the obviously unclassified stones, where you use the number NWA 2975 (which was one single stone) in the menu side bar. In my eyes that is problematical. It seems to be a classical self-pairing, which should be a no-go for IMCA-members. But especially it's somewhat not so fine for the not yet so experienced collectors, as they often are not aware, that such unclassified stones will have later in case they want to swap or trade them once, do have a remarkably lower collector's and trade value - thus a lower monetary value than their officially recognized and numbered comrades. Neither the latter is evident for the naïve beginner, if he reads your prices. The unclassified ones, which you relate to NWA 7034 cost around 10,000$/g on your pages and also the supposed NWA 2975-pairing are not different in price than the specimens sold by more professional collectors and dealers, who took the time and costs to get their share of that meteorite properly classified and numbered. I think, it would be more respectable and fair towards the collectors and laypeople (and to your seller colleagues), if you would make more unmistakably clear, that those stones are possibly paired to the numbers you give there, based on your personal opinion as a non-scientist and perhaps to adjust the prices. (for the rookies, unclassified self-guesses have always to be cheaper than official numbers from the Bulletin, because, se above, they do have a lower value in the usances of the meteorite scene and because they have lower costs for the seller, cause for a classification you have to supply the institute with a share of 20% or 20grams of the meteorite for free and sometimes you have to pay a part of the classification costs too). And last but not least, that would give more weight to your words, when you doubt the reliability of other sellers in public. (Take for instance the case now, where it seems for you not enough authentication, when the seller of the probable pseudo-Chelyabinsk told, that his source assured, that they are authentic. - with the 2975 and 7034 you did just the same, didn't you?). As told, no offence intended, only a suggestion for an improvement. (Remark to Uruacu vs. Campo. Uruacu has also much more troilite blobs than Campo). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von jason utas Gesendet: Freitag, 1. März 2013 05:32 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite Hello Adam, All, Actually, Uruacu does appear to be distinct from Campo del Cielo. Uruacu appears to be a much older meteorite that has weathered in different conditions, and many individuals show cohenite when cut -- a mineral I have never seen in Campo del Cielo. Generally speaking, Campos run the full range from freshly-fusion crusted to rusty lumps, and everything in-between. But, Campo fell within the past ~5,000 years, so we're talking about rapid weathering in a wet environment (also why it's a ruster). Uruacu fell in a drier area, and most individuals exhibit a much more uniform covering of shale that does not readily flake off due to rusting. They seem to have fallen much longer ago, and are generally more weathered due to the fact that they've been around for longer. Uruacu generally resists rusting better. It would be like comparing Sikhote Alin to Henbury. No Henburies I know of rust, but, by and large, they're not as fresh as most Sikhotes. But some Sikhotes appear to have fallen into swampy areas and look pretty bad -- and rust. It's hard to mix the two up. The trouble is that I've also seen Campos sold as Uruacu, which complicates things. Uruacu is a very old fall. Even some reputable dealers have been selling specimens of new Campo (crust, regmaglypts) as Uruacu. Very different. I assume this is due to dishonest suppliers. There's a stunning, fairly large Uruacu for sale at the moment. Not mine, but I wonder if this will bring it out of the woodwork. Regards, Jason From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Isn't
Re: [meteorite-list] my response to an approach by a journalist
Bob, Good points! Ideally we should engage the press and tell our story. One publication that I interviewed with recently really impressed me, because they had a fact-checker who called me up about a week after the interview. She literally went through the interview question by question asking me is this what your answer was? And so I was given the chance to make what I said as accurate as possible. So, one option is to request or ask if there will be a fact checker before the article is published. The other thing that is important is to have a good relationship with local media, because their stories can get picked up by worldwide wire services. Here in Albuquerque, I know two really good newspaper reporters who write great stories and get front page coverage, and we have one TV channel that is really good with in depth science/space reporting. On the other hand, when NWA 7034 (Black Beauty) was published in Science in January, I probably did two dozen impromptu phone interviews that week, and not one of the stories came out distorted or false. Interestingly, the only story that seemed to have an agenda was that one in the NYT a few years ago on Gebel Kamil - which by the way, did not use a fact-checker. But I was not misquoted in the story, so I can't complain about that, I think a lot of the negative actually came from one of the other individuals who was interviewed -- which of course the reporter used in the article. Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, As a journalist (I'm a newspaper photographer) and someone who works with journalists every day I have a few thoughts on this topic. In newsrooms and TV stations across the U.S. the number of reporters is dwindling. The few left are asked to do stories well outside their areas of expertise, and although many try to get it right, they unfortunately lack the background and often the time to provide the depth needed to satisfy a particular interest group. That should still not be an excuse. I do know this - reporters hate being wrong. The last thing they want to see is a fact in their story in the corrections column in the next day's paper. The better reporters will call the subject back during the writing of or after they've written the story but before publication to verify they've got it right. My suggestions: 1. Carefully frame what you want to say so a reporter fully understands the essence of the story. 2. Respectfully suggest to the reporter to call you back anytime with questions or for verification of details. 3. If the story is factually wrong when published, call or e-mail the reporter and request a correction. If you get flack, ask to speak to his or her editor. 4. If #3 doesn't work, write a letter to the editor. 5. Remember that in the end you don't control the story. The reporter will be talking to other experts (we hope!) in your field of interest and blending in different points of view. Again, a good reporter should call you back when there's a big discrepancy between what you say and the other subject's point of view. Thanks, Bob On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:19 AM, jim_brady...@o2.co.uk wrote: I run an ad in Ireland thats been up for a couple of years now and I was approached by a journo who wanted to talk to me and maybe do a piece.I googled him and saw his work and immediately knew I wanted nothing to do with him or his article.You can see my response to him about halfway down the comments on my ad.His name was Samuel Hamilton. http://http://www.adverts.ie/crazy-random-stuff/meteorites-for- sale/400040 there are fair and reasonable journalists out there who are interested in the truth about meteorites no doubt.Just be careful and do a bit of research first would be my suggestion. all the best from Ireland Jim http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
The night of March 23, 2010, two beautiful exploding events happened just West of Oklahoma City early evening. I was lucky to get them both on the allsky. The next day I started getting calls from a local station. first they wanted a phone interview, then they wanted to come by the house and film the camera, then they asked Hey, can you bring the camera in for a morning interview? Turns out, a station in Tulsa got one of them while doing an evening weather report, so I did a remote interview, then one in the studio. I was really nervous, but they were so nice it never showed. Sooo... not all are evil. Some really enjoy having science go to people around. :) --- On Sat, 3/2/13, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio To: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Anne Black impact...@aol.com, raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 2, 2013, 2:13 AM Dear James, You were lucky indeed. I'm pleased to hear the local news treated you with respect and went away with a better understanding of the science. Where did you say this happened...a town in Oklahoma? Regards, Guido -Original Message- From: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Mar 1, 2013 5:55 PM To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Cc: Anne Black impact...@aol.com, raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio When the March 2010 events occurred over Oklahoma, the local news stations treated me with nothing less than respect and warm welcome. They were fascinated by the event and the allsky camera. There was no controversy. It was an excellent opportunity for science education. My only regret is that no meteorites were found. Not all media is evil. Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, I know this is going to sound cynical and pessimistic, but the truth is the truth. NO member of the media who contacts you has your interest, or the activity you engage in at heart. They care less, about you and what effect their writings may have on you, or your future activities. It's all about them and how much recognition and approval they can get by delivering a sensational story, even if they have to manipulate you into making innocent statements and then edit your comments. My advice is that unless your a pro at giving press briefings, interviews and distributing talking points. Don't walk, but run to the nearest exit. Can anyone argue that we are better off as a result of three years hyping the rarity and value of meteorites on cable TV and in the nation's print media? Regards, Guido -Original Message- From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com Sent: Mar 1, 2013 10:09 AM To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio Another idiot who reads the NewYork Times! For newbies or as a reminder, please read: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=192 Thanks Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:54 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio This talk turned me off from the second the interviewer claimed the Sahara was a black market. I would have ended the interview right then and there. Doesn't the media research anything anymore? When it comes to integrity, a modern journalist might ask What are you talking about, I have never heard of such a thing? Adam From: SatWatch.org cont...@satwatch.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio Howdy List, Heard Bob Hazen talking about meteorites and the meteorite market last night on C2C. I put that audio on my website in the audio section if you desire to listen to his interview. http://www.meteorwatch.net/ Mike from SATWATCH.ORG METEORWATCH.NET Sent from my iPad __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
List,
I have been around Bob Haag (this radio voice does not sound like bob?) and the
meteorite world long enough to say that in my opinion, Bob Haag and The
Meteorite Men TV show have done nothing but, improve the popularity of
meteorites and those men have represented us well. These are the rock stars of
our field. To see the look in the eyes of the kids while getting Geoff's
autograph is truly a sight to see. Geoff should make us all proud.
So, before you knock them please look at the real cause of the problems;
1) It all started when a certain Meteorite Man was (wrongly) jailed for
attempting to export a 37 ton iron meteorite from Argentina. {Made the press}
1) We do have NYT articles that put out bad information. {made the press}
2) Whether it's true or not The Egyptian officials themselves say it is illegal
to export their meteorites. {made the press}
3) Whether it's true or not We also have India officials saying it is illegal
to export it's meteorites. {made the press}
4) We also have incidents where people admit to being tried , convicted and
imprisoned for illegal mining of meteorites. And then further publicize it on
the local news. {made the press}
5) And of coarse there are all of the news stories about the value of
meteorites. {made the press}
6). Too many more stories to list here but, the point is that the situation
this field is in today cannot be blamed on any one single thing but can be
attributed to many things.
I see the field as growing and improving dramatically.
Our genius scientists are discovering more and more points of interest and our
semi-genius hunters are finding more and more good material.
It's all good.
Carl
Meteoritemax
--
Cheers
Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
Guido Asked:
Can anyone argue that we are better off as a result of three years
hyping the rarity and value of meteorites on cable TV and in the
nation's print media?
I am beginning to long for the good old days just a decade ago. I have seen
over a dozen countries restrict meteorite hunting including the U.S. in the
past few years, many farms and ranches are now off limits due to the
perception of being treated, fraud is at an all time high and wackos are
coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate. Other than that, we are
great shape.
Every time a self-proclaimed spokesperson seeking fleeting fame steps up to
the plate, the rest of us are left to deal with the aftermath.
Happy Hunting,
Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
Dear James, You were lucky indeed. I'm pleased to hear the local news treated you with respect and went away with a better understanding of the science. Where did you say this happened...a town in Oklahoma? Regards, Guido -Original Message- From: James Beauchamp falco...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Mar 1, 2013 5:55 PM To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Cc: Anne Black impact...@aol.com, raremeteori...@yahoo.com raremeteori...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio When the March 2010 events occurred over Oklahoma, the local news stations treated me with nothing less than respect and warm welcome. They were fascinated by the event and the allsky camera. There was no controversy. It was an excellent opportunity for science education. My only regret is that no meteorites were found. Not all media is evil. Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, I know this is going to sound cynical and pessimistic, but the truth is the truth. NO member of the media who contacts you has your interest, or the activity you engage in at heart. They care less, about you and what effect their writings may have on you, or your future activities. It's all about them and how much recognition and approval they can get by delivering a sensational story, even if they have to manipulate you into making innocent statements and then edit your comments. My advice is that unless your a pro at giving press briefings, interviews and distributing talking points. Don't walk, but run to the nearest exit. Can anyone argue that we are better off as a result of three years hyping the rarity and value of meteorites on cable TV and in the nation's print media? Regards, Guido -Original Message- From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com Sent: Mar 1, 2013 10:09 AM To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio Another idiot who reads the NewYork Times! For newbies or as a reminder, please read: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=192 Thanks Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:54 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio This talk turned me off from the second the interviewer claimed the Sahara was a black market. I would have ended the interview right then and there. Doesn't the media research anything anymore? When it comes to integrity, a modern journalist might ask What are you talking about, I have never heard of such a thing? Adam From: SatWatch.org cont...@satwatch.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 7:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio Howdy List, Heard Bob Hazen talking about meteorites and the meteorite market last night on C2C. I put that audio on my website in the audio section if you desire to listen to his interview. http://www.meteorwatch.net/ Mike from SATWATCH.ORG METEORWATCH.NET Sent from my iPad __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
Carl, the problem is armchair warriors like you who cry and whine incessantly
but have yet to provide a real meteorite, have no idea the troubles us hunters
go through to fill the collections of the world, and don't care. You have been
involved in many scams but no recoveries. Some of us have the sack to take
risks, some, like you, do not.
Sincerely
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:42 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
List,
I have been around Bob Haag (this radio voice does not sound like bob?) and
the meteorite world long enough to say that in my opinion, Bob Haag and The
Meteorite Men TV show have done nothing but, improve the popularity of
meteorites and those men have represented us well. These are the rock stars
of our field. To see the look in the eyes of the kids while getting Geoff's
autograph is truly a sight to see. Geoff should make us all proud.
So, before you knock them please look at the real cause of the problems;
1) It all started when a certain Meteorite Man was (wrongly) jailed for
attempting to export a 37 ton iron meteorite from Argentina. {Made the press}
1) We do have NYT articles that put out bad information. {made the press}
2) Whether it's true or not The Egyptian officials themselves say it is
illegal to export their meteorites. {made the press}
3) Whether it's true or not We also have India officials saying it is
illegal to export it's meteorites. {made the press}
4) We also have incidents where people admit to being tried , convicted and
imprisoned for illegal mining of meteorites. And then further publicize it on
the local news. {made the press}
5) And of coarse there are all of the news stories about the value of
meteorites. {made the press}
6). Too many more stories to list here but, the point is that the situation
this field is in today cannot be blamed on any one single thing but can be
attributed to many things.
I see the field as growing and improving dramatically.
Our genius scientists are discovering more and more points of interest and
our semi-genius hunters are finding more and more good material.
It's all good.
Carl
Meteoritemax
--
Cheers
Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
Guido Asked:
Can anyone argue that we are better off as a result of three years
hyping the rarity and value of meteorites on cable TV and in the
nation's print media?
I am beginning to long for the good old days just a decade ago. I have seen
over a dozen countries restrict meteorite hunting including the U.S. in the
past few years, many farms and ranches are now off limits due to the
perception of being treated, fraud is at an all time high and wackos are
coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate. Other than that, we are
great shape.
Every time a self-proclaimed spokesperson seeking fleeting fame steps up to
the plate, the rest of us are left to deal with the aftermath.
Happy Hunting,
Adam
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite INUKSHUK ad
I was cutting some NWA meteorites this week and came up with this . . . http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Sale.html LMAO Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (Weather Channel)
An article from the Weather Channel entitled: Meteor Fragments Hot on the Black Market. http://www.weather.com/news/meteor-cleanup-20130218 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (CBC News)
Here's a quote from this CBC News article: While taking and selling material from meteorites is highly illegal, the New York Times reports that a flourishing global market exists online, with fragments widely available to anyone in the world. The name of the article is: Russian meteor fragments cause 'gold rush' on black market http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2013/02/russian-meteor-fragments-cause-gold-rush-on-black-market.html Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (CBC News)
Plain ignorant slander! Reading articles like that really gets my blood boiling. What can be done? This trend is only getting worse and seems to be a problem growing worse each day...and Fall. Sad. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's a quote from this CBC News article: While taking and selling material from meteorites is highly illegal, the New York Times reports that a flourishing global market exists online, with fragments widely available to anyone in the world. The name of the article is: Russian meteor fragments cause 'gold rush' on black market http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2013/02/russian-meteor-fragments-cause-gold-rush-on-black-market.html Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market
From the Boston Globe: Writing at the website of the excellent BBC Radio program The Naked Scientists, Audrey Tempelsman looks at the global trade in meteorites, and finds a shadowy, globe-spanning gray market. Many meteorite resellers, Tempelsman writes, close their eyes to the legal aspects of the merchandise. As Ralph Harvey, a geologist at Case Western Reserve University, tells Tempelsman,The skill level that some collectors have to get stones out of Africa rivals that of drug dealers. The black market for meteorites http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2012/06/09/the-black-market-for-meteorites/poFPgK5REldREpXFylFH6I/story.html From the BigThink Blog: The Meteorite Black Market http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/the-meteorite-black-market We have at our disposal a very limited number of [meteorite and asteroid] specimens to study and exhibit, said Dr. Mario Di Martino, who led an exhibition team to investigate the Gebel Kamil meteorite site in Egypt in 2009. Before his team's investigation could begin, however, the meteorites were found by someone else and later sold privately in France. He and other members of the Gebel Kamil crater discovery team, he added, don't have the money to buy them on the flourishing black market. Some meteorite adventurers, however, turn to experts for analysis which cause some, including Carl B. Agee, director of the Institute of Meteoritics at the University of New Mexico, to argue the ambition of the private sector is once again aiding sluggish public research. - From the China Daily and Daily Astronomy: Scientists see red over black-market meteorite sales A black market in meteorites By William J. Broad (New York Times) http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2011-04/17/content_12338995.htm Contains the infamous quote: It's a black market, said Ralph P. Harvey, a geologist who directs the United States search for meteorites in Antarctica. It's as organized as any drug trade and just as illegal. --- From KSL radio: Meteorites Can Totally Make You Rich http://www.ksl.com/?nid=895sid=20208234 Looking for a place where wealth literally falls out of the sky? Head to Rescue, California, where you can find meteorites which go for around $1,000 per gram. According toThe Los Angeles Times' Diana Marcum,there's a different type of California gold rush going on, the result of a meteorite leaving the Coloma-Lotus Valley of California littered with meteor fragments fetching thousands of dollars on the meteor black market. There are many more articles that repeat and rehash the statements of Ralph Harvey and the articles of William Broad. - Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] my response to an approach by a journalist
Thank you Bob. After the NYT published their article I tried repeatedly to contact Bill Broad by phone and emails but he never responded to either. If you know of any other ways to repair the damage he caused I really would like to know. Also I did give an interview to a reporter from Discover magazine during the Tucson Show. Why? because we had emailed back and forth before the show and he is a long time lurker on the List so he knew all about the NYT debacle. Also I was delighted to see Nick Gessler walk in my room in the middle of that interview and accept to participate. Again Thank you very much Nick, you were priceless!! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:57 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] my response to an approach by a journalist Hi everyone, As a journalist (I'm a newspaper photographer) and someone who works with journalists every day I have a few thoughts on this topic. In newsrooms and TV stations across the U.S. the number of reporters is dwindling. The few left are asked to do stories well outside their areas of expertise, and although many try to get it right, they unfortunately lack the background and often the time to provide the depth needed to satisfy a particular interest group. That should still not be an excuse. I do know this - reporters hate being wrong. The last thing they want to see is a fact in their story in the corrections column in the next day's paper. The better reporters will call the subject back during the writing of or after they've written the story but before publication to verify they've got it right. My suggestions: 1. Carefully frame what you want to say so a reporter fully understands the essence of the story. 2. Respectfully suggest to the reporter to call you back anytime with questions or for verification of details. 3. If the story is factually wrong when published, call or e-mail the reporter and request a correction. If you get flack, ask to speak to his or her editor. 4. If #3 doesn't work, write a letter to the editor. 5. Remember that in the end you don't control the story. The reporter will be talking to other experts (we hope!) in your field of interest and blending in different points of view. Again, a good reporter should call you back when there's a big discrepancy between what you say and the other subject's point of view. Thanks, Bob On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:19 AM, jim_brady...@o2.co.uk wrote: I run an ad in Ireland thats been up for a couple of years now and I was approached by a journo who wanted to talk to me and maybe do a piece.I googled him and saw his work and immediately knew I wanted nothing to do with him or his article.You can see my response to him about halfway down the comments on my ad.His name was Samuel Hamilton. http://http://www.adverts.ie/crazy-random-stuff/meteorites-for- sale/400040 there are fair and reasonable journalists out there who are interested in the truth about meteorites no doubt.Just be careful and do a bit of research first would be my suggestion. all the best from Ireland Jim http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
(Sorry if this is a duplicate) Jorge (galeriacores), Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic Chelyabinsk See: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Hmmm? Ken Newton On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any offensive language or insult any one publicly on this list but apparently you don't respect that policy. All I said is that my Russian meteorite specimens on Ebay come with a card of authenticity from the Russian seller. Before you start accusing me of anything please ask someone to interpret the card for you. The name of the seller and his respective residence is on that card and to me that is all the written proof I need. Jorge 2013/2/28 jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com Jorge, 1) I am not selling any material from this fall, nor do I plan to. 2) So much of the material you're selling in your ebay account is so painfully misrepresented that I fear no threat from you. You're either woefully ignorant, or a cheat. Either way, you have no grounds to be threatening anyone who points this out. Written proof is worth as much as the person who's writing it, which apparently means nothing in your case. Jason On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: You've got some nerve to come on the Meteorite List and start exalting your specimens from Russia and condemning my own. Pardon my language expression, but who the fuck do you think you are??? As far as I'm concerned I'm the only one showing written proof from the seller, as far as I know all the other pieces don't come with any written proof showing any authenticity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (CBC News)
What can be done? One suggestion: if you would all keep one sending a link to the rebuttal I wrote to all those news services and be insistent about it, maybe some of them will actually read it and maybe learn something. Here is a link to it: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=192 And please feel free to send it over and over again! I have already done it more than once but if they all get it over and over again maybe they will start paying attention. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com To: Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com Cc: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Mar 2, 2013 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (CBC News) Plain ignorant slander! Reading articles like that really gets my blood boiling. What can be done? This trend is only getting worse and seems to be a problem growing worse each day...and Fall. Sad. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's a quote from this CBC News article: While taking and selling material from meteorites is highly illegal, the New York Times reports that a flourishing global market exists online, with fragments widely available to anyone in the world. The name of the article is: Russian meteor fragments cause 'gold rush' on black market http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2013/02/russian-meteor-fragments-cause-gold-rush-on-black-market.html Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (CBC News)
Hello Anne, list , - at first I would reject decidedly the phrasing Black Market ... ;-) Best Matthias - Original Message - From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com To: b1dunov...@aol.com; dori...@embarqmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (CBC News) What can be done? One suggestion: if you would all keep one sending a link to the rebuttal I wrote to all those news services and be insistent about it, maybe some of them will actually read it and maybe learn something. Here is a link to it: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=192 And please feel free to send it over and over again! I have already done it more than once but if they all get it over and over again maybe they will start paying attention. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com To: Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com Cc: Meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Mar 2, 2013 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (CBC News) Plain ignorant slander! Reading articles like that really gets my blood boiling. What can be done? This trend is only getting worse and seems to be a problem growing worse each day...and Fall. Sad. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: Here's a quote from this CBC News article: While taking and selling material from meteorites is highly illegal, the New York Times reports that a flourishing global market exists online, with fragments widely available to anyone in the world. The name of the article is: Russian meteor fragments cause 'gold rush' on black market http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2013/02/russian-meteor-fragments-cause-gold-rush-on-black-market.html Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Wow! Thanks you Ken for bringing that to light!! Blatant that is. Jorge, it would seem you have been backed into a corner. I await your rebuttal as I have purchased several witnessed falls from you though they have been separated from our Main collection and put into the suspect cabinet. Please, do explain... Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote: (Sorry if this is a duplicate) Jorge (galeriacores), Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic Chelyabinsk See: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Hmmm? Ken Newton On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any offensive language or insult any one publicly on this list but apparently you don't respect that policy. All I said is that my Russian meteorite specimens on Ebay come with a card of authenticity from the Russian seller. Before you start accusing me of anything please ask someone to interpret the card for you. The name of the seller and his respective residence is on that card and to me that is all the written proof I need. Jorge 2013/2/28 jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com Jorge, 1) I am not selling any material from this fall, nor do I plan to. 2) So much of the material you're selling in your ebay account is so painfully misrepresented that I fear no threat from you. You're either woefully ignorant, or a cheat. Either way, you have no grounds to be threatening anyone who points this out. Written proof is worth as much as the person who's writing it, which apparently means nothing in your case. Jason On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: You've got some nerve to come on the Meteorite List and start exalting your specimens from Russia and condemning my own. Pardon my language expression, but who the fuck do you think you are??? As far as I'm concerned I'm the only one showing written proof from the seller, as far as I know all the other pieces don't come with any written proof showing any authenticity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
What's really a shame, is that the intentionally mislabeled meteorites he peddles are likely displayed with his hand-written authenticity cards , or worse, have been resold or broke down and now belong to countless collections. What a shame Truly. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote: (Sorry if this is a duplicate) Jorge (galeriacores), Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic Chelyabinsk See: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Hmmm? Ken Newton On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any offensive language or insult any one publicly on this list but apparently you don't respect that policy. All I said is that my Russian meteorite specimens on Ebay come with a card of authenticity from the Russian seller. Before you start accusing me of anything please ask someone to interpret the card for you. The name of the seller and his respective residence is on that card and to me that is all the written proof I need. Jorge 2013/2/28 jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com Jorge, 1) I am not selling any material from this fall, nor do I plan to. 2) So much of the material you're selling in your ebay account is so painfully misrepresented that I fear no threat from you. You're either woefully ignorant, or a cheat. Either way, you have no grounds to be threatening anyone who points this out. Written proof is worth as much as the person who's writing it, which apparently means nothing in your case. Jason On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: You've got some nerve to come on the Meteorite List and start exalting your specimens from Russia and condemning my own. Pardon my language expression, but who the fuck do you think you are??? As far as I'm concerned I'm the only one showing written proof from the seller, as far as I know all the other pieces don't come with any written proof showing any authenticity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (Weather Channel)
Someone please tell me where the Black Market is. I would love to see it. Is it an unmarked building in the industrial district of Chicago? What is the code word to gain entry through the forbidden Naugahyde Door? If there is a meteorite black market, then it must be the most highly-kept secret in the world, along with the location of Jimmy Hoffa's body and the identity of the second gunman who shot JFK. I hear every second tuesday of the month is Forbidden Meteorite Day, and all shoppers get a free Berduc stone and a pack of Katol Menthol Light 100's. Best regards, MikeG FWIW - there are MANY more crooked writers than there are meteorite dealers. Look how many writers get outed for plagiarism nowadays, and compare that number to the population of disgraced meteorite dealers - the writers win that dubious distinction with ease. On 3/2/13, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: An article from the Weather Channel entitled: Meteor Fragments Hot on the Black Market. http://www.weather.com/news/meteor-cleanup-20130218 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (Weather Channel)
All sales of meteorites purchased at the Black Market are herby suspended!!! Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Someone please tell me where the Black Market is. I would love to see it. Is it an unmarked building in the industrial district of Chicago? What is the code word to gain entry through the forbidden Naugahyde Door? If there is a meteorite black market, then it must be the most highly-kept secret in the world, along with the location of Jimmy Hoffa's body and the identity of the second gunman who shot JFK. I hear every second tuesday of the month is Forbidden Meteorite Day, and all shoppers get a free Berduc stone and a pack of Katol Menthol Light 100's. Best regards, MikeG FWIW - there are MANY more crooked writers than there are meteorite dealers. Look how many writers get outed for plagiarism nowadays, and compare that number to the population of disgraced meteorite dealers - the writers win that dubious distinction with ease. On 3/2/13, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: An article from the Weather Channel entitled: Meteor Fragments Hot on the Black Market. http://www.weather.com/news/meteor-cleanup-20130218 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] my response to an approach by a journalist
Nick is a great person to have on our side, because he fully understands the special relationship between private dealers/hunters and science. The media can beat the black market dead horse all they want, but the simple fact of the matter is that no black market exists today. Now, if the governments start deciding to heavily-regulate or outlaw meteorite trade, then that will likely create a black market. But as of today, no such thing exists because there is no need for it. The meteorite dealers who break the law are in an extreme minority and they operate outside the confines of the meteorite world because they have made themselves persona-non-grata on this List and elsewhere. I think it is a great positive testimony to the overall honest and fair way that the meteorite market self-regulates. We (collectively speaking, IMCA or not) do not tolerate scammers and thieves, and as a group we are good at coming together and putting up a united front against unethical people trying to take advantage of collectors. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/2/13, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Bob. After the NYT published their article I tried repeatedly to contact Bill Broad by phone and emails but he never responded to either. If you know of any other ways to repair the damage he caused I really would like to know. Also I did give an interview to a reporter from Discover magazine during the Tucson Show. Why? because we had emailed back and forth before the show and he is a long time lurker on the List so he knew all about the NYT debacle. Also I was delighted to see Nick Gessler walk in my room in the middle of that interview and accept to participate. Again Thank you very much Nick, you were priceless!! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Mar 2, 2013 6:57 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] my response to an approach by a journalist Hi everyone, As a journalist (I'm a newspaper photographer) and someone who works with journalists every day I have a few thoughts on this topic. In newsrooms and TV stations across the U.S. the number of reporters is dwindling. The few left are asked to do stories well outside their areas of expertise, and although many try to get it right, they unfortunately lack the background and often the time to provide the depth needed to satisfy a particular interest group. That should still not be an excuse. I do know this - reporters hate being wrong. The last thing they want to see is a fact in their story in the corrections column in the next day's paper. The better reporters will call the subject back during the writing of or after they've written the story but before publication to verify they've got it right. My suggestions: 1. Carefully frame what you want to say so a reporter fully understands the essence of the story. 2. Respectfully suggest to the reporter to call you back anytime with questions or for verification of details. 3. If the story is factually wrong when published, call or e-mail the reporter and request a correction. If you get flack, ask to speak to his or her editor. 4. If #3 doesn't work, write a letter to the editor. 5. Remember that in the end you don't control the story. The reporter will be talking to other experts (we hope!) in your field of interest and blending in different points of view. Again, a good reporter should call you back when there's a big discrepancy between what you say and the other subject's point of view. Thanks, Bob On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:19 AM, jim_brady...@o2.co.uk wrote: I run an ad in Ireland thats been up for a couple of years now and I was approached by a journo who wanted to talk to me and maybe do a piece.I googled him and saw his work and immediately knew I wanted nothing to do with him or his article.You can see my response to him about halfway down the comments on my ad.His name was Samuel Hamilton. http://http://www.adverts.ie/crazy-random-stuff/meteorites-for- sale/400040 there are fair and reasonable journalists out there who are interested in the truth about meteorites no doubt.Just be careful and do a bit of research first would be my suggestion. all the best from Ireland Jim http://www.emeraldislemeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
If you would all stop buying from random scammers, the scams might stop. Just sayin:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com wrote: What's really a shame, is that the intentionally mislabeled meteorites he peddles are likely displayed with his hand-written authenticity cards , or worse, have been resold or broke down and now belong to countless collections. What a shame Truly. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote: (Sorry if this is a duplicate) Jorge (galeriacores), Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic Chelyabinsk See: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Hmmm? Ken Newton On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any offensive language or insult any one publicly on this list but apparently you don't respect that policy. All I said is that my Russian meteorite specimens on Ebay come with a card of authenticity from the Russian seller. Before you start accusing me of anything please ask someone to interpret the card for you. The name of the seller and his respective residence is on that card and to me that is all the written proof I need. Jorge 2013/2/28 jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com Jorge, 1) I am not selling any material from this fall, nor do I plan to. 2) So much of the material you're selling in your ebay account is so painfully misrepresented that I fear no threat from you. You're either woefully ignorant, or a cheat. Either way, you have no grounds to be threatening anyone who points this out. Written proof is worth as much as the person who's writing it, which apparently means nothing in your case. Jason On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: You've got some nerve to come on the Meteorite List and start exalting your specimens from Russia and condemning my own. Pardon my language expression, but who the fuck do you think you are??? As far as I'm concerned I'm the only one showing written proof from the seller, as far as I know all the other pieces don't come with any written proof showing any authenticity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Based on the link below, that should be enough for eBay to pull not just the listing but others as well. Slap, slap, oh sorry, I was obviously dreaming. Mendy Ouzillou From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com Cc: Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you... If you would all stop buying from random scammers, the scams might stop. Just sayin:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com wrote: What's really a shame, is that the intentionally mislabeled meteorites he peddles are likely displayed with his hand-written authenticity cards , or worse, have been resold or broke down and now belong to countless collections. What a shame Truly. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote: (Sorry if this is a duplicate) Jorge (galeriacores), Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic Chelyabinsk See: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Hmmm? Ken Newton On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any offensive language or insult any one publicly on this list but apparently you don't respect that policy. All I said is that my Russian meteorite specimens on Ebay come with a card of authenticity from the Russian seller. Before you start accusing me of anything please ask someone to interpret the card for you. The name of the seller and his respective residence is on that card and to me that is all the written proof I need. Jorge 2013/2/28 jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com Jorge, 1) I am not selling any material from this fall, nor do I plan to. 2) So much of the material you're selling in your ebay account is so painfully misrepresented that I fear no threat from you. You're either woefully ignorant, or a cheat. Either way, you have no grounds to be threatening anyone who points this out. Written proof is worth as much as the person who's writing it, which apparently means nothing in your case. Jason On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: You've got some nerve to come on the Meteorite List and start exalting your specimens from Russia and condemning my own. Pardon my language expression, but who the fuck do you think you are??? As far as I'm concerned I'm the only one showing written proof from the seller, as far as I know all the other pieces don't come with any written proof showing any authenticity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (Weather Channel)
Hi yo, I wonder, why authors of such articles never mention, that the participants in that black market are extraordinarily simple minded people. Sittin as a hermit retreated in a cell in the Schaeftlarn monastery trying to get my annual tax declaration ready within less than 4 weeks, I asked myself, why so many people are willing to take the stress of working 60-80 hours a week for meteorites, undercover and in highly criminal circles, taking the risk of decades long imprisonment or even death penalty, like if they would deal with heroin or would smuggle plutonium, when there are only a few single splendid examples of that pack, whose revenues constantly exceed the salary (and pension plan) of a middle school teacher? I guess, they must be either really desperate or remarkably stupid. In former times I thought, such stories would originate from curators coming home, telling them to their wives/husbands to impress them what for a exciting and dangerous job they would have, hoping their better halves would tolerate when Indiana Jones or Lara Croft leaves his/her socks on in bed... but now? To me it seems, that in general the U.S. print media have lost a lot of quality and standards, or at least whenever I'm in USA, I'm astonished how poor the newspapers are compared to European ones. Here in Germany, but also in Austria I've read a lot of really excellent pieces about meteorites in the bigger newspapers, and as far as I remember (also in TV) the monetary aspects never was pointed out and of course that illegality-BS neither. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone Ironworks Gesendet: Samstag, 2. März 2013 21:46 An: Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Cc: meteorite list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market (Weather Channel) Someone please tell me where the Black Market is. I would love to see it. Is it an unmarked building in the industrial district of Chicago? What is the code word to gain entry through the forbidden Naugahyde Door? If there is a meteorite black market, then it must be the most highly-kept secret in the world, along with the location of Jimmy Hoffa's body and the identity of the second gunman who shot JFK. I hear every second tuesday of the month is Forbidden Meteorite Day, and all shoppers get a free Berduc stone and a pack of Katol Menthol Light 100's. Best regards, MikeG FWIW - there are MANY more crooked writers than there are meteorite dealers. Look how many writers get outed for plagiarism nowadays, and compare that number to the population of disgraced meteorite dealers - the writers win that dubious distinction with ease. On 3/2/13, Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: An article from the Weather Channel entitled: Meteor Fragments Hot on the Black Market. http://www.weather.com/news/meteor-cleanup-20130218 Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
eBay makes money on sales, they do not care if they are sale of fake or real items. Forget eBay and you would be happier. Michael Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: Based on the link below, that should be enough for eBay to pull not just the listing but others as well. Slap, slap, oh sorry, I was obviously dreaming. Mendy Ouzillou From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com Cc: Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you... If you would all stop buying from random scammers, the scams might stop. Just sayin:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com wrote: What's really a shame, is that the intentionally mislabeled meteorites he peddles are likely displayed with his hand-written authenticity cards , or worse, have been resold or broke down and now belong to countless collections. What a shame Truly. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote: (Sorry if this is a duplicate) Jorge (galeriacores), Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic Chelyabinsk See: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Hmmm? Ken Newton On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any offensive language or insult any one publicly on this list but apparently you don't respect that policy. All I said is that my Russian meteorite specimens on Ebay come with a card of authenticity from the Russian seller. Before you start accusing me of anything please ask someone to interpret the card for you. The name of the seller and his respective residence is on that card and to me that is all the written proof I need. Jorge 2013/2/28 jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com Jorge, 1) I am not selling any material from this fall, nor do I plan to. 2) So much of the material you're selling in your ebay account is so painfully misrepresented that I fear no threat from you. You're either woefully ignorant, or a cheat. Either way, you have no grounds to be threatening anyone who points this out. Written proof is worth as much as the person who's writing it, which apparently means nothing in your case. Jason On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: You've got some nerve to come on the Meteorite List and start exalting your specimens from Russia and condemning my own. Pardon my language expression, but who the fuck do you think you are??? As far as I'm concerned I'm the only one showing written proof from the seller, as far as I know all the other pieces don't come with any written proof showing any authenticity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Baygorria
For those unfamiliar with Baygorria and want to see details and photos: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=27Itemid=118 The conclusion of the article is an appropriate quote by Edwin T. Best, Ken newton On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Edwin, indeed it was a scam. Sad, we all get scammed once in a while. I am happy to see the record set strait for all to see. The Giroldi brothers we pulling one hell of a scam for year selling Baygorria at the Tucson show, people kept trying to show me why they were different than Campo. Total sham. We must root out the scams in this business/collections and purge those who keep running cons. The new Russian fall has already brought many scammers running to quickly rob impatient buyers blind. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, buy from us real dealers, stop being scammed by con-men on eBay. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Edwin Thompson etmeteori...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, I believe that I was scammed when I bought the large and rather expensive main mass of Baygorria. I believe that it was a Campo and gave it all away. For anyone who wishes to see the main mass of this iron meteorite for reference or comparison it was donated to Cascadia Meteorite Laboratory in Portland, Oregon. Yes it is called Baygorria but it is my belief that it is a Campo. A prime example of an expensive lesson learned. E.T. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
Truer words have never been written. Better advice has never been given. Paul Swartz NO member of the media who contacts you has your interest, or the activity you engage in at heart. They care less, about you and what effect their writings may have on you, or your future activities. It's all about them and how much recognition and approval they can get by delivering a sensational story, even if they have to manipulate you into making innocent statements and then edit your comments. My advice is that unless your a pro at giving press briefings, interviews and distributing talking points. Don't walk, but run to the nearest exit. Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Brandon, Ken and Listers I spoke with an ebay rep and he told me the Oum Dreyga witnessed 2003 Meteorite fall 19.3gr INDIVIDUAL ONDA2 http://www.ebay.com/itm/350701318767 was placed on ebay in Jan 2013 for 30 day auction, well before the feb 15 the 2013 Russian fall. Chelyabinsk RUSSIA 2013 Meteor Event 19.00gr Very Rare Meteorite Specimen http://www.ebay.com/itm/321081034359 To top it off, he even places the Chelyabinsk meteorite on top of the id knowing that at one point it was posted as a Oum Dreyga meteorite. If I was you guys and other people on the list, report the two auctions as fraud on the report link and also call up ebay and have them also do a fraud report as well. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 - Original Message - From: Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com To: Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you... What's really a shame, is that the intentionally mislabeled meteorites he peddles are likely displayed with his hand-written authenticity cards , or worse, have been resold or broke down and now belong to countless collections. What a shame Truly. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote: (Sorry if this is a duplicate) Jorge (galeriacores), Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic Chelyabinsk See: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Hmmm? Ken Newton On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any offensive language or insult any one publicly on this list but apparently you don't respect that policy. All I said is that my Russian meteorite specimens on Ebay come with a card of authenticity from the Russian seller. Before you start accusing me of anything please ask someone to interpret the card for you. The name of the seller and his respective residence is on that card and to me that is all the written proof I need. Jorge 2013/2/28 jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com Jorge, 1) I am not selling any material from this fall, nor do I plan to. 2) So much of the material you're selling in your ebay account is so painfully misrepresented that I fear no threat from you. You're either woefully ignorant, or a cheat. Either way, you have no grounds to be threatening anyone who points this out. Written proof is worth as much as the person who's writing it, which apparently means nothing in your case. Jason On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: You've got some nerve to come on the Meteorite List and start exalting your specimens from Russia and condemning my own. Pardon my language expression, but who the fuck do you think you are??? As far as I'm concerned I'm the only one showing written proof from the seller, as far as I know all the other pieces don't come with any written proof showing any authenticity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Baygorria
So when you read that, I am quoted as warning everyone back then in 2005. Sadly people never learn. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote: For those unfamiliar with Baygorria and want to see details and photos: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=27Itemid=118 The conclusion of the article is an appropriate quote by Edwin T. Best, Ken newton On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Edwin, indeed it was a scam. Sad, we all get scammed once in a while. I am happy to see the record set strait for all to see. The Giroldi brothers we pulling one hell of a scam for year selling Baygorria at the Tucson show, people kept trying to show me why they were different than Campo. Total sham. We must root out the scams in this business/collections and purge those who keep running cons. The new Russian fall has already brought many scammers running to quickly rob impatient buyers blind. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, buy from us real dealers, stop being scammed by con-men on eBay. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Mar 1, 2013, at 9:11 PM, Edwin Thompson etmeteori...@hotmail.com wrote: Yes, I believe that I was scammed when I bought the large and rather expensive main mass of Baygorria. I believe that it was a Campo and gave it all away. For anyone who wishes to see the main mass of this iron meteorite for reference or comparison it was donated to Cascadia Meteorite Laboratory in Portland, Oregon. Yes it is called Baygorria but it is my belief that it is a Campo. A prime example of an expensive lesson learned. E.T. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Very good advice Mike. If I may add...to all of you who do sell on eBay and are tired of paying fees, and receiving unjust negative feedback from constipated Buyers or dealing with fraud and wanna be Dealers/Sellers, may I suggest an alternative. Please understand I realize eBay covers a world wide distance of people, but and I mean BUT, don't many here on the Meteorite List anyways adverstise that they have items posted on eBay? Yes they do, and a large amount of Buyers are from this List who read the posted advertisment and then go to eBay to view these Auctions. Some even sell specimens just by posting on this List without eBay such as Chicago Steve Arnold and several other Sellers, thus saving costs. Very smart people! Yes I understand that an Auction can allow an unlimited price, but as avid and experienced meteorite collectors, we know what we can afford and we know roughly what the market value is give or take for most specimens. * Here is an option which I have as well as many other people, for these reasons took. You do not need to be a rocket scientist or computer guru to do this. It is simple and well explained. Most importantly it is free. Yes I said it is FREE. Build your self a small Website.Not only does it make you look legit and professional, it seperates you from those frauds that hide behind eBay. You then when you have meteorite specimens to sell, do as you always have by advertising them on the List with a link to your site. Yes there will be a set price and yes you can still use PayPal to have Buyers purchase your meteorites, but Bam...no eBay fees, no negative feedback no bull crap! * Here you can build a 3 page limit Website for free very easily. At least click the link and check it out. Options are there for even more Website options. My Website was created entiely by myself this way! Over 2.5 million people use this Site for their home and professional business by building their own Website. Just a thought and option. Heck if we can get the whole List to do this we might be able to elliminate most of the fraud, and get more bang for the buck to purchase meteorites. I know we will never elliminate 100% of the frauds, but those who are serious about meteorites can take it a step further by building a Website to sell their meteorites, since many fraudulant people will find it to time consuming thus taking the easy route via eBay. Now please don't get me wrong, we know not all eBay Sellers and Dealers are frauds using eBay to sell their meteorites. But with a Website you then can not hide behind your eBay name or behind eBay itself. Check the Link out. I would not steer any of you wrong. Here is the Link: http://www.webstarts.com/?aff=emflocater Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] JASON,be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List,I am warning you... eBay makes money on sales, they do not care if they are sale of fake or real items. Forget eBay and you would be happier. Michael Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: Based on the link below, that should be enough for eBay to pull not just the listing but others as well. Slap, slap, oh sorry, I was obviously dreaming. Mendy Ouzillou From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com Cc: Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you... If you would all stop buying from random scammers, the scams might stop. Just sayin:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Brandon b1dunov...@aol.com wrote: What's really a shame, is that the intentionally mislabeled meteorites he peddles are likely displayed with his hand-written authenticity cards , or worse, have been resold or broke down and now belong to countless collections. What a shame Truly. Brandon D. On Mar 2, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Ken Newton magellon@gmail.com wrote: (Sorry if this is a duplicate) Jorge (galeriacores), Please kindly explain to the List and myself as to how your authentic OUM Dreyga magically became an authentic Chelyabinsk See: http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html Hmmm? Ken Newton On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jorge M. Gonçalves galeriaco...@gmail.com wrote: Jason, I was asked by the owner of the METEORITE LIST not to write any offensive language or insult any
Re: [meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Hi Don and List, Yes there will be a set price and yes you can still use PayPal to have Buyers purchase your meteorites, but Bam...no eBay fees, no negative feedback no bull crap! Maybe a little closer to rocket science, but if you still want to offer bidding, there are open-source bidding engines out there that can be installed on your site allowing for a very similar experience to fleabay without the negatives you note. You're still going to need to generate your own traffic which is what eBay is really offering, but you can simulate the experience. I've set up WeBid (http://www.webidsupport.com) on numerous sites, and it's pretty capable these days. Of course, there are others both free and not-so-free. Just a thought to answer a limitation you noted. --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Black Market
We should boycott every one of these publications and the advertisers who use them. I came home a few weeks ago and saw a copy of the NYT magazine (an insert?) laying on the kitchen table. It didn't matter where it came from or who it belonged to (still don't know), but it went straight into the trash where it belonged. And with William Broad having a Pulitizer under his belt, that is no better than Eminem winning a Grammy - it shows that the prize has lost it's meaning and they are handing them out to anybody now. I may not have a Pulitizer, but I could write circles around that guy. My grammar is awful, but at least I check my facts before I publish something. And if I am proven wrong later, I admit it, apologize, and take the correction. Broad is too good for that for apparently. I have to believe that a monkey banging away on a typewriter can win a Pulitzer these days. Dr. Harvey is obviously a collector-hater and one of these elitists who thinks the great unwashed shouldn't have meteorites. If he was truly educated about meteoritics and the synergy between the private market and academia, then he wouldn't say things like his black market quote. It just shows that someone can be a doctor but have no common sense whatsoever. He loses credibility by uttering such broad and erroneous statements. It makes him look like he got his doctorate out of a Cracker Jacks box. If Harvey is so bent out of shape about private involvement in meteorites, then fine - that is his choice and freedom to do so. But, walk the walk. Stop reading abstracts and papers about NWA, Dhofar, and all of the other hot desert meteorites recovered by the private sector. Stop using them for research, stop citing them, and purge your collections of them. I bet the barn that he talks this black market crap, but has participated in research using specimens recovered and donated by private hunters. So add hypocrisy to the list with ignorance. Boston Globe - I'll never read another Globe article again. I will filter that publication out of my news aggregator. Any publication that blindly reprints whatever is on the press wire without checking facts is careless at best. What else are they printing that is baloney disguised as fact? Kinda makes you wonder, and it definitely hurts their credibility. Big Think Blog - not much big thinking going on there. Just another example of a portal-site reprinting press wire articles. It's easier and cheaper to republish another's work than to produce consistent original writing. I've never heard of this blog before, and I'm glad. No need for me to boycott it, because it doesn't exist in my book. China Daily - well, I guess they have to criticize something outside China, so why not meteorites? If they report on the massive corruption in their business world and government, the editors would be imprisoned and/or executed. Reading Chinese news is the most bland and one-sided experience. They have no freedom to think or form opinions of their own, so it is difficult to take their journalism seriously. Just another news service devoid of original stories, so they reprint what's on the wires. Daily Astronomy - yet another portal site with a noise to signal ratio. Average day in their editor's office : Hey, there's a science-related story on the wire! Quick, copy-paste it, and put the link on our front page! And lastly, if asked to place a dollar amount on a meteorite during a media/press interview - change the subject, or decline, or use that opportunity to explain how science benefits from that meteorite. If they keep pushing for dollar amounts, end the interview and refuse to give them permission to use anything said before that. Yes, money is involved in meteorites, and that is no different than any other field or hobby. Sorry for my rant. But this black market nonsense is not only getting old, it is displaying a remarkable degree of longevity. It just keeps popping up every time somebody republishes those terrible wire stories, and now it's becoming a damaging thing. Some people are easily swayed, and if they hear the same lie 1000 times, they will eventually believe it, and that is happening with this black market misinformation. Suing the liars won't do much good, because proving material damages in a libel or slander case is difficult under circumstances like this - it becomes a first amendment issue. So, the best we can do is to refute these lies at every opportunity. Post comments, letters to the editor, etc. Be vocal and give them some blowback over it. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/2/13, Joshua Tree Earth Space
Re: [meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Sure, eBay has a massive traffic base. But, the vast majority of those visitors have zero interest in meteorites. At any given time, the amount of visitors on eBay who are looking to purchase a meteorite is a tiny percentage of the overall traffic base. By paying eBay fees, you are basically purchasing access to their other visitors, in the hopes that somebody will purchase your wares who wouldn't have normally seen your offering outside of eBay. That holds true for people buying iPhone accessories, DVD's, laptops, and sports jerseys, but the amount of those visitors looking to buy a meteorite is vanishingly small. I would bet, that at any given moment, this mailing list has just as many (or more) members than people on eBay buying meteorites. This List has what, a 1000 members or so? I would be highly surprised if there are a 1000 people on eBay right now buying meteorites. When dealing with niche items like meteorites, paying for access to eBay's traffic base is a game of vanishing returns. I drive more traffic to my store listings each day than eBay draws to my meteorite auctions. I would post a 7-day auction on eBay and it might get 50 views, or 100 if I was lucky. In that same period of time, I get triple that on my website. Now, eBay is great for buyers. I love being a buyer on eBay. eBay caters to me, kisses my feet, fans me, and feeds me grapes. I can be a total buffoon and buy fake items with little or no caution or research. And when I get burned, I can file a dispute with eBay, get my money back and keep the item. It's a win-win for buyers. Best regards, MikeG PS - want to free yourself from the chains of eBay? Use HighWire eCommerce - http://app.highwire.com/?ref=meteorite I have been using HighWire for almost 5 years now with no problems and very little downtime. It was the best thing I ever did when it comes to trading meteorites - it gives you a selling platform that you control. I don't have some eBay clown looking over my shoulder and nitpicking my listings or strong-arming me for ever-increasing fees. On 3/2/13, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Hi Don and List, Yes there will be a set price and yes you can still use PayPal to have Buyers purchase your meteorites, but Bam...no eBay fees, no negative feedback no bull crap! Maybe a little closer to rocket science, but if you still want to offer bidding, there are open-source bidding engines out there that can be installed on your site allowing for a very similar experience to fleabay without the negatives you note. You're still going to need to generate your own traffic which is what eBay is really offering, but you can simulate the experience. I've set up WeBid (http://www.webidsupport.com) on numerous sites, and it's pretty capable these days. Of course, there are others both free and not-so-free. Just a thought to answer a limitation you noted. --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Bencubbin, Zagami, Murichison, Collescipoli, Johnstown, Shergotty and others ending soon!
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Re: [meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Hi MikeG, I've never studied your market, so I have absolutely no clue how you drive traffic, what your traffic volume is, what your sell-through looks like, or how you manage your pipeline - so I'm just going to take your word for it - I honestly don't have any interest, vested or otherwise, in learning your [collective-your] market. The general topics of eCommerce, shopping carts, running ones own auction engine, interfacing to merchant gateways, that sorta thing - I have some experience there. We run our own heavily modified OSCommerce servers, but that is a lot more like rocket science, just maintaining them is full-time work for multiple people. WeBid is fairly easily integrated into most shopping carts that you control the source-code for and allows you to offer a bidding engine, as I say, there are others (including some specifically integrated into the OSCommerce platform). We don't sell on eBay anymore because it's just too difficult to differentiate ourselves, our money is better spent driving our own traffic - but that's after years of experience in our own market, I can't speak to yours at all. --- Jodie Saturday, March 2, 2013, 4:51:11 PM, you wrote: Sure, eBay has a massive traffic base. But, the vast majority of those visitors have zero interest in meteorites. At any given time, the amount of visitors on eBay who are looking to purchase a meteorite is a tiny percentage of the overall traffic base. By paying eBay fees, you are basically purchasing access to their other visitors, in the hopes that somebody will purchase your wares who wouldn't have normally seen your offering outside of eBay. That holds true for people buying iPhone accessories, DVD's, laptops, and sports jerseys, but the amount of those visitors looking to buy a meteorite is vanishingly small. I would bet, that at any given moment, this mailing list has just as many (or more) members than people on eBay buying meteorites. This List has what, a 1000 members or so? I would be highly surprised if there are a 1000 people on eBay right now buying meteorites. When dealing with niche items like meteorites, paying for access to eBay's traffic base is a game of vanishing returns. I drive more traffic to my store listings each day than eBay draws to my meteorite auctions. I would post a 7-day auction on eBay and it might get 50 views, or 100 if I was lucky. In that same period of time, I get triple that on my website. Now, eBay is great for buyers. I love being a buyer on eBay. eBay caters to me, kisses my feet, fans me, and feeds me grapes. I can be a total buffoon and buy fake items with little or no caution or research. And when I get burned, I can file a dispute with eBay, get my money back and keep the item. It's a win-win for buyers. Best regards, MikeG PS - want to free yourself from the chains of eBay? Use HighWire eCommerce - http://app.highwire.com/?ref=meteorite I have been using HighWire for almost 5 years now with no problems and very little downtime. It was the best thing I ever did when it comes to trading meteorites - it gives you a selling platform that you control. I don't have some eBay clown looking over my shoulder and nitpicking my listings or strong-arming me for ever-increasing fees. On 3/2/13, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Hi Don and List, Yes there will be a set price and yes you can still use PayPal to have Buyers purchase your meteorites, but Bam...no eBay fees, no negative feedback no bull crap! Maybe a little closer to rocket science, but if you still want to offer bidding, there are open-source bidding engines out there that can be installed on your site allowing for a very similar experience to fleabay without the negatives you note. You're still going to need to generate your own traffic which is what eBay is really offering, but you can simulate the experience. I've set up WeBid (http://www.webidsupport.com) on numerous sites, and it's pretty capable these days. Of course, there are others both free and not-so-free. Just a thought to answer a limitation you noted. --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
Hi Jodie and List, My method of driving traffic is pretty simple - invest heavily in social media, message boards, mailing lists, and any other venue where you can insert your URL without it being spammy. I stop short of spam, because I hate it so much. It's not digging ditches, but I spend at least 8 hours a day, every day, driving traffic online. It is time-consuming, but one can make a routine out of it. And once you start getting thousands of friends/followers/connections on each of those social media sites, the traffic will then start generating sales. I just got to a point where eBay was not cost-effective for me. My method is not for everyone. If you hate sites like Facebook or Twitter, then it won't work for you. You have to embrace these new venues and utilize them. Pinterest is the hot social media site now, and I have already started generating sales from there. Also, take advantage of sites that offer you a free store, like Bonanza and eCrater. With Bonanza, you only pay a fee when an item sells and that fee is small compared to eBay's final value fees. I generate regular sales from both of those sites as well. Let me qualify the above with this - if you are someone who has a dedicated traffic base on eBay, then your experience is obviously different than mine. Some sellers, like Adam and Greg Hupe, have an established eBay following and that is obviously a worthwhile venue for them to sell. But, for someone new or without a dedicated following, eBay is no longer the sole venue to consistently generate revenue for small businesses. My experience with eBay was always hit and miss, so giving it up as a seller was a no-brainer for me. Here is a good link for gauging what is hot on eBay - http://www.whatsellsbest.com/active/collectibles.php Notice, meteorites are not mentioned anywhere in the top listings, search terms, or sales for the overall site. Meteorites are an after-thought on eBay, if they are noticed at all. But Jodie touched on something else as well - setting yourself apart from other sellers, and that is almost impossible to do on eBay because your listings get lost in the overwhelming masses of millions of listings. If eBay were to lower their fees and adopt a pay only on sale policy (like Bonanza), then I would go back and give it another try as a seller there. But as it stands now, I will only buy on eBay. If you see me selling anything on eBay, it's either the Christmas shopping season or somebody needs a kidney transplant. Best regards, MikeG PS - thanks again for keeping us updated with the Chebarkul info. :) -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/2/13, Jodie Reynolds spacero...@spaceballoon.org wrote: Hi MikeG, I've never studied your market, so I have absolutely no clue how you drive traffic, what your traffic volume is, what your sell-through looks like, or how you manage your pipeline - so I'm just going to take your word for it - I honestly don't have any interest, vested or otherwise, in learning your [collective-your] market. The general topics of eCommerce, shopping carts, running ones own auction engine, interfacing to merchant gateways, that sorta thing - I have some experience there. We run our own heavily modified OSCommerce servers, but that is a lot more like rocket science, just maintaining them is full-time work for multiple people. WeBid is fairly easily integrated into most shopping carts that you control the source-code for and allows you to offer a bidding engine, as I say, there are others (including some specifically integrated into the OSCommerce platform). We don't sell on eBay anymore because it's just too difficult to differentiate ourselves, our money is better spent driving our own traffic - but that's after years of experience in our own market, I can't speak to yours at all. --- Jodie Saturday, March 2, 2013, 4:51:11 PM, you wrote: Sure, eBay has a massive traffic base. But, the vast majority of those visitors have zero interest in meteorites. At any given time, the amount of visitors on eBay who are looking to purchase a meteorite is a tiny percentage of the overall traffic base. By paying eBay fees, you are basically purchasing access to their other visitors, in the hopes that somebody will purchase your wares who wouldn't have normally seen your offering outside of eBay. That holds true for people buying iPhone accessories, DVD's, laptops, and sports jerseys, but the amount of those visitors looking to buy a meteorite is vanishingly small. I would bet, that at any given moment, this mailing list has just as many (or more) members than people on eBay buying
[meteorite-list] Will exportation of the Chelyabinsk meteorite be banned?
Check ou the link: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/meteorite-export-ban-proposed-in-duma/476236.html Will some of this material eventually make it over here legally to be sold by our trusted dealers? Jim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ALTERNATIVE dealing with eBay Fraud! JASON, be carefull what you say about my meteorites on the Meteorite List, I am warning you...
but I spend at least 8 hours a day, every day, driving traffic online. It is time-consuming, but one can make a routine out of it. Aha! See, you're running a real business. 8 hrs a day invested in marketing activities, what, a couple hours a day in shipping and support, minimum? Then you have inventory maintenance and procurement? A lot of these sellers don't look like they're running more than a toy-business, investing 12hrs/day into it is going to hurt their Day Job. ;-) Yeah, you definitely don't need to be on eBay, that's not going to scale the way running your own site will. eBay has some definite value-proposition for the part-timer, but not for the likes of you. --- Jodie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
I hit you back when you mention me.
Leave me out of your emails and you will hear a lot less from me.
Let the hunters hunt and you can do whatever you please. I heard you made some
friends in Tucson with a nice Arispe deal.
Michael
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 2, 2013, at 5:39 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
Mike, Why are you always on the attack?
The truth is that I do not risk jail by committing illegal acts. Never have
and never will.
But, if I were ever jailed I certainly would never brag about it.
The point of my post was to relinquish the blame of the state of the market
from Geoff and Steve. They are good for our field and I think they always
will be.
So, please share us your attacks. I stay away from you but would ask that you
try to keep the negative things out of the press.
You are very lucky most people admire your antics. I have to admit, you make
good press but it is unfortunately not always good GOOD press. Mike, I LOVE
YA MAN. PLEASE STOP THE ATTACKS .
CARL
METEORITEMAX
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Cheers
Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
Carl, the problem is armchair warriors like you who cry and whine
incessantly but have yet to provide a real meteorite, have no idea the
troubles us hunters go through to fill the collections of the world, and
don't care. You have been involved in many scams but no recoveries. Some of
us have the sack to take risks, some, like you, do not.
Sincerely
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:42 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
List,
I have been around Bob Haag (this radio voice does not sound like bob?) and
the meteorite world long enough to say that in my opinion, Bob Haag and The
Meteorite Men TV show have done nothing but, improve the popularity of
meteorites and those men have represented us well. These are the rock stars
of our field. To see the look in the eyes of the kids while getting Geoff's
autograph is truly a sight to see. Geoff should make us all proud.
So, before you knock them please look at the real cause of the problems;
1) It all started when a certain Meteorite Man was (wrongly) jailed for
attempting to export a 37 ton iron meteorite from Argentina. {Made the
press}
1) We do have NYT articles that put out bad information. {made the press}
2) Whether it's true or not The Egyptian officials themselves say it is
illegal to export their meteorites. {made the press}
3) Whether it's true or not We also have India officials saying it is
illegal to export it's meteorites. {made the press}
4) We also have incidents where people admit to being tried , convicted and
imprisoned for illegal mining of meteorites. And then further publicize it
on the local news. {made the press}
5) And of coarse there are all of the news stories about the value of
meteorites. {made the press}
6). Too many more stories to list here but, the point is that the situation
this field is in today cannot be blamed on any one single thing but can
be attributed to many things.
I see the field as growing and improving dramatically.
Our genius scientists are discovering more and more points of interest and
our semi-genius hunters are finding more and more good material.
It's all good.
Carl
Meteoritemax
--
Cheers
Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
Guido Asked:
Can anyone argue that we are better off as a result of three years
hyping the rarity and value of meteorites on cable TV and in the
nation's print media?
I am beginning to long for the good old days just a decade ago. I have
seen over a dozen countries restrict meteorite hunting including the U.S.
in the past few years, many farms and ranches are now off limits due to
the perception of being treated, fraud is at an all time high and wackos
are coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate. Other than that, we
are great shape.
Every time a self-proclaimed spokesperson seeking fleeting fame steps up
to the plate, the rest of us are left to deal with the aftermath.
Happy Hunting,
Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
I guess the question is are we better off today with meteorites then we
were 4 years ago? I am not sure I can answer that, but if President Obama
asked me if I am better off today then 4 years ago I guess I can say yes! 4
years ago I didn't qualify for food stamps!!
Sincerely
Don Merchant
- Original Message -
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: cdtuc...@cox.net
Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite market talk on radio
I hit you back when you mention me.
Leave me out of your emails and you will hear a lot less from me.
Let the hunters hunt and you can do whatever you please. I heard you made
some friends in Tucson with a nice Arispe deal.
Michael
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 2, 2013, at 5:39 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
Mike, Why are you always on the attack?
The truth is that I do not risk jail by committing illegal acts. Never
have and never will.
But, if I were ever jailed I certainly would never brag about it.
The point of my post was to relinquish the blame of the state of the
market from Geoff and Steve. They are good for our field and I think they
always will be.
So, please share us your attacks. I stay away from you but would ask that
you try to keep the negative things out of the press.
You are very lucky most people admire your antics. I have to admit, you
make good press but it is unfortunately not always good GOOD press.
Mike, I LOVE YA MAN. PLEASE STOP THE ATTACKS .
CARL
METEORITEMAX
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Cheers
Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
Carl, the problem is armchair warriors like you who cry and whine
incessantly but have yet to provide a real meteorite, have no idea the
troubles us hunters go through to fill the collections of the world, and
don't care. You have been involved in many scams but no recoveries. Some
of us have the sack to take risks, some, like you, do not.
Sincerely
Michael Farmer
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:42 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
List,
I have been around Bob Haag (this radio voice does not sound like bob?)
and the meteorite world long enough to say that in my opinion, Bob Haag
and The Meteorite Men TV show have done nothing but, improve the
popularity of meteorites and those men have represented us well. These
are the rock stars of our field. To see the look in the eyes of the
kids while getting Geoff's autograph is truly a sight to see. Geoff
should make us all proud.
So, before you knock them please look at the real cause of the
problems;
1) It all started when a certain Meteorite Man was (wrongly) jailed
for attempting to export a 37 ton iron meteorite from Argentina. {Made
the press}
1) We do have NYT articles that put out bad information. {made the
press}
2) Whether it's true or not The Egyptian officials themselves say it is
illegal to export their meteorites. {made the press}
3) Whether it's true or not We also have India officials saying it is
illegal to export it's meteorites. {made the press}
4) We also have incidents where people admit to being tried , convicted
and imprisoned for illegal mining of meteorites. And then further
publicize it on the local news. {made the press}
5) And of coarse there are all of the news stories about the value of
meteorites. {made the press}
6). Too many more stories to list here but, the point is that the
situation this field is in today cannot be blamed on any one single
thing but can be attributed to many things.
I see the field as growing and improving dramatically.
Our genius scientists are discovering more and more points of interest
and our semi-genius hunters are finding more and more good material.
It's all good.
Carl
Meteoritemax
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Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
Guido Asked:
Can anyone argue that we are better off as a result of three years
hyping the rarity and value of meteorites on cable TV and in the
nation's print media?
I am beginning to long for the good old days just a decade ago. I
have seen over a dozen countries restrict meteorite hunting including
the U.S. in the past few years, many farms and ranches are now off
limits due to the perception of being treated, fraud is at an all time
high and wackos are coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate.
Other than that, we are great shape.
Every time a self-proclaimed spokesperson seeking fleeting fame steps
up to the plate, the rest of us are left to deal with the aftermath.
Happy Hunting,
Adam
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