Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Mine
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Re: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday
Meenakshi Wadwha tried to keep the interviewer on topic by focusing on science but he would have nothing to do with it. Yep, treat an avocation like an Easter Egg hunt and hype the prices like the Antique Roadshow and there has to be some kind of "black market" because it makes the news. This is the way the media thinks after what has happened with emeralds, diamonds and other treasure. We can thank Douglas Schmidt for starting it and others who popularized meteorite hunting by attaching ridiculously high price tags to each and every piece in the media to gain a few minutes worth of fame. Adam From: Count Deiro To: Peter Scherff ; 'Meteorite List' Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday Sad day friends, Just listening to this NPR interview confirms what has happened, and is continuing to happen, to form the public perception of meteorites. The interviewer is a scientific ignoramus and it would take Meenakshi Wadwha hours to bring him to the point of understanding what the real value of meteorites are. She tried to educate this drop out from a GED class as to how man's knowledge of his origins and his future might be developed from her study. His only interest from the start, was how much money were they worth, which ones were the most valuable, which ones did she value the highest, and where could a person get some. Millions for this and hundreds of thousands for that. And even Meenakshi stumbled when she innocently mentioned "hundreds of thousands a gram". Now this will become truthwatch. The first interrogation out of this NPR air head, looking for a sensational expose', was to ask Dr. Wadwha to confess to the existence of the "black market" in meteorites. He just knew it existed and laughed at her embarrassment. It made me almost weep in frustration. What a lovely kettle of fish we have brewed up for ourselves. And those of our community who have done the cooking know who you are and don't say that it isn't so. The talking head on this program didn't make up his embarrassing questions out of thin air. He had heard and read the misinformation that prompted his line of questioning in the world's main stream and cable media and become a true believer. It ain't never gonna be the same. Sincerely, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Peter Scherff >Sent: Mar 30, 2013 3:10 PM >To: 'Meteorite List' >Subject: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday > >Hi, > >Here is a great interview with Meenakshi Wadhwa on NPR's Science Friday >3/29/13. What a great spokesperson for meteorites. >http://www.npr.org/2013/03/29/175741697/segment-4?ft=1&f=1007&sc=tw&utm_sour >ce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter > >Thanks, > >Peter > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine meteorite
Hello List, Is the Tatahouine meteorite mosty an olivine or is it some other material? Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammer?
I have heard a few well known meteorite dealers say that they have taken a hammer to a meteorite to break it up, so as not to lose any material, as opposed to cutting the meteorite. So, does it then become a true "Hammer Stone"? (:-) Myself, I love the history of each meteorite. That is why I prefer most Falls over Finds. However, some of the old finds from Nininger or well before, as listed in the National Academy of Sciences-Memoirs, XIII, Meteorites Of North America, To January 1, 1909, have such rich and wonderful stories that it is like reading a good old adventure book. Hammer Falls and Hammer Stones just add glamor and richness to the fall story. Museums know this to be a fact. The more human interest in the story, the more people want to come and see the historical items. Cheers, Fred Hall > Hi List, > > Rumor has it that the Russian woman struck by the stone has adopted > the Mbale boy. Details at six. > > This meteorite fall should be considered a "hammer" fall, in my > opinion. I know some hate that term. But let's face it, this fall > did hammer the crap out of an entire city. Buildings knocked down, > thousands of windows blown out. You can't argue against that. > > Before the purists hurl chondrites at me I am aware of the > important distinction terminologywhich is this - only those stones > which actually struck something are hammers or hammer stones. But, > if there is ever a candidate for something to be called a "hammer > fall" - this is it. This is the biggest and most devastating hammer > since Tunguska. > > Personally, I'd be careful purchasing hammer stones or artifacts from > this fall. Given the high TKW and thousands of individual stones > across a populated area, the potential for fraud is elevated. It > would be too easy for an unscrupulous seller to say that any given > stone bounced off their car or shed. Documentation is important. > Look at how many Sikhote shrapnels were being passed as Chelyabinsk on > eBay right after the fall. Some of those same scammers could easily > take a real meteorite and fudge the hammer side of the story to > increase the interest and value. I would stay away from "hammers" of > this fall, unless they are offered by someone like our Russian > list-members or someone who has been on the ground in Russia, like > Mike. Anything else is rolling the dice. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > -- > - > Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone > RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > - > > > > On 3/30/13, Michael Farmer wrote: >> Hundreds of them have already been found on top of buildings, one woman >> was >> hit by stone which went through her jacket! >> Will try to find the news report but hard in Russian. >> Michael Farmer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 30, 2013, at 9:50 AM, jpbrock...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hello List: >>> >>> Are there reports of any of the stones actually hitting man made >>> structures? Also, is the shockwave damage to buildings sufficient to >>> classify the >>> fall as a Hammer? >>> >>> Juris >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammer?
Hello Listers, I agree, this is a Hammer Meteorite Fall but I would go further with that phase and call it a Hammer Shower Fall cause 100's and 100's of hammer stones :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html - Original Message - From: Michael Blood To: jpbrock...@aol.com; Meteorite List Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammer? Hi Juris & others interested, Mike Farmer tells me hundreds if not thousands of stones Have been recovered from roofs (but mixed in with all others). As for the shockwave questiondebatable. Carancus in Peru Had a shockwave that killed a llama and a ewe, but also had ejected A mudball filled with meteoritic fragments hit the roof of a house. (See photo and story about 1/3rd down the page at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers3.html Under, CARANCUS) So, given the roof stones and the woman struck, Chelyabinsk is Definitely a hammer fall...though it remains to be seen if we will end up With specimens KNOWN to be hammer stones. (Ironically, hundreds Of hammer stones will end up in collections - but unidentified as such). Michael On 3/30/13 9:50 AM, "jpbrock...@aol.com" wrote: > Hello List: > > Are there reports of any of the stones actually hitting man made > structures? Also, is the shockwave damage to buildings sufficient to > classify the > fall as a Hammer? > > Juris > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday
Sad day friends, Just listening to this NPR interview confirms what has happened, and is continuing to happen, to form the public perception of meteorites. The interviewer is a scientific ignoramus and it would take Meenakshi Wadwha hours to bring him to the point of understanding what the real value of meteorites are. She tried to educate this drop out from a GED class as to how man's knowledge of his origins and his future might be developed from her study. His only interest from the start, was how much money were they worth, which ones were the most valuable, which ones did she value the highest, and where could a person get some. Millions for this and hundreds of thousands for that. And even Meenakshi stumbled when she innocently mentioned "hundreds of thousands a gram". Now this will become truthwatch. The first interrogation out of this NPR air head, looking for a sensational expose', was to ask Dr. Wadwha to confess to the existence of the "black market" in meteorites. He just knew it existed and laughed at her embarrassment. It made me almost weep in frustration. What a lovely kettle of fish we have brewed up for ourselves. And those of our community who have done the cooking know who you are and don't say that it isn't so. The talking head on this program didn't make up his embarrassing questions out of thin air. He had heard and read the misinformation that prompted his line of questioning in the world's main stream and cable media and become a true believer. It ain't never gonna be the same. Sincerely, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Peter Scherff >Sent: Mar 30, 2013 3:10 PM >To: 'Meteorite List' >Subject: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday > >Hi, > >Here is a great interview with Meenakshi Wadhwa on NPR's Science Friday >3/29/13. What a great spokesperson for meteorites. >http://www.npr.org/2013/03/29/175741697/segment-4?ft=1&f=1007&sc=tw&utm_sour >ce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter > >Thanks, > >Peter > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday
I'm glad to hear it just reopened. I'm on it! Get one free, that's my sort of deal On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > > Hi Johnno, > > The infamous meteorite black market just reopened in the old K-Mart > building down on Route 12, across from Burger King! Wednesdays are > buy one Berduc get one free! > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > -- > - > Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone > RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > - > > > On 3/30/13, John Cabassi wrote: > > It started off great until the interviewer mentioned "black market". > > Still looking for that black market. I'm pretty sure it operates in > > that abandoned house next to MikeG. Come on Mike, spill the beans ;-) > > > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Peter Scherff > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Here is a great interview with Meenakshi Wadhwa on NPR's Science Friday > >> 3/29/13. What a great spokesperson for meteorites. > >> > >> http://www.npr.org/2013/03/29/175741697/segment-4?ft=1&f=1007&sc=tw&utm_sour > >> ce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Peter > >> > >> __ > >> > >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday
Hi Johnno, The infamous meteorite black market just reopened in the old K-Mart building down on Route 12, across from Burger King! Wednesdays are buy one Berduc get one free! Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/30/13, John Cabassi wrote: > It started off great until the interviewer mentioned "black market". > Still looking for that black market. I'm pretty sure it operates in > that abandoned house next to MikeG. Come on Mike, spill the beans ;-) > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Peter Scherff > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Here is a great interview with Meenakshi Wadhwa on NPR's Science Friday >> 3/29/13. What a great spokesperson for meteorites. >> >> http://www.npr.org/2013/03/29/175741697/segment-4?ft=1&f=1007&sc=tw&utm_sour >> ce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter >> >> Thanks, >> >> Peter >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alert!
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Re: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday
It started off great until the interviewer mentioned "black market". Still looking for that black market. I'm pretty sure it operates in that abandoned house next to MikeG. Come on Mike, spill the beans ;-) On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Peter Scherff wrote: > > Hi, > > Here is a great interview with Meenakshi Wadhwa on NPR's Science Friday > 3/29/13. What a great spokesperson for meteorites. > > http://www.npr.org/2013/03/29/175741697/segment-4?ft=1&f=1007&sc=tw&utm_sour > ce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter > > Thanks, > > Peter > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday
Hi, Here is a great interview with Meenakshi Wadhwa on NPR's Science Friday 3/29/13. What a great spokesperson for meteorites. http://www.npr.org/2013/03/29/175741697/segment-4?ft=1&f=1007&sc=tw&utm_sour ce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Thanks, Peter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Hello Phil [and list], Yes, but wouldn't this be a Hammer-and-Sickle Stone? ;-) --- Jodie Saturday, March 30, 2013, 1:42:14 PM, you wrote: > I can't hammer home the importance of hammering out an agreement on this > hammer issue. We don't need to fight hammer and tongs over it every time it > comes up! It's true that when a hammerstone comes under the hammer, it > usually brings more money. And hammerheads will lie about if it hit > something. But must we really yammer on endlessly about what actually > constitutes a hammer? It makes you want to go to the bar and get really > hammered. > Phil Whitmer > Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Blood" > To: "Met. Peter Scherff" ; "Met. Anne Black" > ; ; "Meteorite List" > > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers >> Goethe: Politician, writer, philosopher - NOT a meteoriticist. >> >> >> On 3/30/13 1:02 PM, "Met. Peter Scherff" wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe "You must be Anvil >>> or Hammer". Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you Goethe >>> for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that I will be >>> able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael >>> Blood >>> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM >>> To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers >>> >>> Hi Anne, >>> However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL >>> meteorites >>> are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all meteorites are >>> meteorites. >>> Michael >>> >>> On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, "Met. Anne Black" wrote: >>> It is Reality Michael! If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Michael Blood To: dellenit ; Meteorite List Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their perspective constitutes "reality." Michael On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: > so what, > every meteorite is a hammer stone ! > it struck planet earth > > d.u. > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - March 29, 2013
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_03_29_13.asp Dawn Journal Dr. Marc Rayman March 29, 2013 Dear Indawnstrious Readers, In the depths of the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, far from Earth, far even from any human-made object, Dawn remains in silent pursuit of dwarf planet Ceres. It has been more than six months since it slipped gracefully away from the giant protoplanet Vesta. The spacecraft has spent 95 percent of the time since then gently thrusting with its ion propulsion system, using that blue-green beam of high velocity xenon ions to propel itself from one alien world to another. The ship set sail from Earth more than two thousand days ago, and its voyage on the celestial seas has been wonderfully rewarding. Its extensive exploration of Vesta introduced humankind to a complex and fascinating place that had only been tantalizingly glimpsed from afar with telescopes beginning with its discovery 206 years ago today. Thanks to the extraordinary capability of ion propulsion, Dawn was able to spend 14 months orbiting Vesta, observing dramatic landscapes and exotic features and collecting a wealth of measurements that scientists will continue to analyze for many years. When it was operating close to Vesta, the spacecraft was in frequent contact with Earth. It took Dawn quite a bit of time to beam the 31,000 photos and other precious data to mission control. In addition, engineers needed to send a great many instructions to the distant adventurer to ensure it remained healthy and productive in carrying out its demanding work in the unforgiving depths of space. Dawn is now more than 20 times farther from Vesta than the moon is from Earth. Alone again and on its long trek to Ceres, it is not necessary for the ship to be in radio contact as often. As we saw in November, the spacecraft now stops ion thrusting only once every four weeks to point its main antenna to Earth. This schedule conserves the invaluable hydrazine propellant the explorer will need at Ceres. But communicating less frequently does not mean the mission operations team is any less busy. Indeed, as we have explained before, "quiet cruise" consists of a considerable amount of activity. Each time Dawn communicates with Earth, controllers transmit a second-by-second schedule for the subsequent four weeks. They also load a detailed flight profile with the ion throttle levels and directions for that period. It takes about three weeks to calculate and formulate these plans and to analyze, check, double check, and triple check them to ensure they are flawless before they can be radioed to Dawn. In addition to all the usual information Dawn needs to keep flying smoothly, operators occasionally include some special instructions. As one example, over the last few months, they have gradually lowered the temperatures of some components slightly in order to reduce heater power. When Dawn stretched out its solar array wings shortly after separating from the Delta rocket on September 27, 2007, its nearly 65-foot wingspan was the longest of any NASA interplanetary probe. The large area of solar cells is needed to collect enough light from the distant sun to power the ion propulsion system and all other spacecraft systems. Devoting a little less power to heaters allows more power to be applied to ionizing and accelerating xenon, yielding greater thrust. With two and a half years of powered flight required to travel from Vesta to Ceres, even a little extra power can make a worthwhile difference to a mission that craves power. Most temperature adjustments are only two degrees Celsius (3.8 degrees Fahrenheit) at a time, but even that requires careful analysis and investigation, because lowering the temperature of one component may affect another. Xenon and hydrazine propellants need to be maintained in certain ranges, and the lines they flow through follow complicated paths around the spacecraft, so the temperatures all along the way matter. Most of the hardware onboard, from valves and switches to electronics to structural mounts for sensitively aligned units, needs to be thermally regulated to keep Dawn shipshape. It can take hours for a component to cool down and stabilize at a new setting, and sometimes the change won't even occur until the spacecraft has turned away to resume thrusting, when the faint warmth of the sun and the deep cold of black space affect different parts of the complex robot. Then it will be another four weeks until engineers will receive a comprehensive report on all the temperatures, so they need to be cautious with each change. In addition to the ongoing work to keep Dawn flying true, some special activities are being developed for later this year, each of which will serve two important purposes: they will yield valuable experience in preparing for operations in orbit around Ceres, and they will provide interesting material for you to read
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
I can't hammer home the importance of hammering out an agreement on this hammer issue. We don't need to fight hammer and tongs over it every time it comes up! It's true that when a hammerstone comes under the hammer, it usually brings more money. And hammerheads will lie about if it hit something. But must we really yammer on endlessly about what actually constitutes a hammer? It makes you want to go to the bar and get really hammered. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "Met. Peter Scherff" ; "Met. Anne Black" ; ; "Meteorite List" Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers Goethe: Politician, writer, philosopher - NOT a meteoriticist. On 3/30/13 1:02 PM, "Met. Peter Scherff" wrote: Hi, According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe "You must be Anvil or Hammer". Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you Goethe for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that I will be able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers Hi Anne, However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL meteorites are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all meteorites are meteorites. Michael On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, "Met. Anne Black" wrote: It is Reality Michael! If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Michael Blood To: dellenit ; Meteorite List Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their perspective constitutes "reality." Michael On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: so what, every meteorite is a hammer stone ! it struck planet earth d.u. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Hi, Sorry that link didn't work. Try this one: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1992Metic..27...28M Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scherff Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:33 PM To: 'Michael Blood'; 'Met. Anne Black'; delle...@aon.at; 'Meteorite List' Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers Hi Michael, He is quoted in the Meteoritical Bulletin so he must be a meteoriticist. : ) http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1992Metic..27...28M/054.000.htm l Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: Michael Blood [mailto:mlbl...@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:11 PM To: Met. Peter Scherff; Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers Goethe: Politician, writer, philosopher - NOT a meteoriticist. On 3/30/13 1:02 PM, "Met. Peter Scherff" wrote: > Hi, > > According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe "You must be Anvil > or Hammer". Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you > Goethe for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that > I will be able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of > Michael Blood > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM > To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers > > Hi Anne, > However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL > meteorites are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all > meteorites are meteorites. > Michael > > On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, "Met. Anne Black" wrote: > >> It is Reality Michael! >> >> If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. >> >> >> Anne M. Black >> www.IMPACTIKA.com >> impact...@aol.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Blood >> To: dellenit ; Meteorite List >> >> Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. >> >> >> It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their >> perspective constitutes "reality." >> Michael >> >> On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: >> >>> so what, >>> every meteorite is a hammer stone ! >>> it struck planet earth >>> >>> d.u. >>> >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Hi Michael, He is quoted in the Meteoritical Bulletin so he must be a meteoriticist. : ) http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1992Metic..27...28M/054.000.htm l Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: Michael Blood [mailto:mlbl...@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 4:11 PM To: Met. Peter Scherff; Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers Goethe: Politician, writer, philosopher - NOT a meteoriticist. On 3/30/13 1:02 PM, "Met. Peter Scherff" wrote: > Hi, > > According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe "You must be Anvil > or Hammer". Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you > Goethe for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that > I will be able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of > Michael Blood > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM > To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers > > Hi Anne, > However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL > meteorites are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all > meteorites are meteorites. > Michael > > On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, "Met. Anne Black" wrote: > >> It is Reality Michael! >> >> If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. >> >> >> Anne M. Black >> www.IMPACTIKA.com >> impact...@aol.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Blood >> To: dellenit ; Meteorite List >> >> Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. >> >> >> It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their >> perspective constitutes "reality." >> Michael >> >> On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: >> >>> so what, >>> every meteorite is a hammer stone ! >>> it struck planet earth >>> >>> d.u. >>> >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure.
Michael, and all - How would you know beyond a CERTAIN reasonable doubt that it is a "hammer" by the common accepted definition as followed by most ( at least on this list)? With all of the media coverage from the Internet to cable television programming, there are so many more people that are not only aware of meteorites but also the usually misguided (as well as extremely over-inflated perception) of the cash value any given fall ( or find) will bring to the one you recovers or deals in said rocks, no? And with this being said, how would anyone, even one of our illustrious hunters such as Mike Farmer, know with 100% reasonable certainty that a recovered meteorite indeed hit a person, animal, or man-made object when many of these stones are small, low mass specimens (i.e. < than a few grams ) with many only 3 or 4 grams and much less in mass (many 1 gram or less) being recovered in very open, rural areas. What's to stop those unscrupulous, greedy types from finding many of the specimens dug from the snow covered countryside and picked up from frozen lakes/ponds, taking them, posing them on or near any given object, snapping a photo, and then claiming it hit their house, car, tractor, cow, what have you? Even with a signed affidavit, and photos galore, in the end, it's still someone's word and that is all. Especially with so many smaller, lighter pieces, would they even leave any physical evidence they hit an object, any object other than the ground? I mean leave dents, holes, fragmented pieces of the stone itself embedded in the object showing it may have indeed caused the said damage from impact as the owner/recoverer may try to persuade a perspective buyer/dealer? I wouldn't necessarily think so. Sure, larger stones with mass would, as proven in the past with several well known falls, but I feel this fall with all of its WORLD WIDE notoriety would be a hard one to convince someone ( speaking here of me specifically I guess) that for sure it hit anything other than Terra firma itself. ...and taking a strangers word -- who knows ( or thinks they know) what a meteorite will fetch monetarily, and what one that hits a man made object would fetch as being even more. I would be very skeptical. I'm not dissing anyone for their love of hammers and the importance they may place on a specific stone from a fall for it hit something deemed special while another stone from the same fall just hit dirt, but to me, any meteorite fall (especially freshly witnessed falls that are soon collected after their sudden deceleration ) are all important and cherished -- doesn't have to have hit anything special -- just the fact it came from above to now become obtainable (when before it was unobtainable by anyone other than NASA) by little me on this little planet is good enough! I guess I'm trying to state the fact that now due to so much awareness by the world at large of meteorites -- through the popularity gained from so much media exposure with the advent of modern communication technology made so available to so many -- this is beginning to become a problematic issue from here on. Except for the few exceptional cases that will undoubtedly arise here and there, I would state that the true, but well worn adage, "/Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence/" ( as one of my personal heroes, Carl Sagan was fond of saying) really applies when it comes to the term hammer. I'll will close with the claim I've been know to be wrong, called ignorant, and uninformed, and I will go back quietly, and peacefully to my sweet hiding place in my little corner of the world. Kind regards - Mal On 3/30/2013 2:46 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Hi Michael and all, Mike Farmer told me that many individuals struck houses, cars, Buildings, etc, but that all the dealers he knew of (implying himself, Included, I inferred) were simply bagging everything together. I am continually astonished at how people out to make money Ignore their market as exemplified in this circumstance. Of course one would want to have accompanying photos and, if Possible car owner names, etc, but I would not hesitate to pay substantially More for a stone of this fall from Mike Farmer if he individually bagged And labeled it and provided a photo of the struck item - I wouldn't Necessarily buy such an item on eBay from an unknown source, but from Mike Farmer I certainly would (or any other dealer I know and trust). Furthermore, I personally know many other collectors who would pay substantially more for known hammer stones from this fall. (or ANY hammer fall, for that matter). I just don't get it. Michael On 3/30/13 10:18 AM, "Met. Michael Gilmer" wrote: Hi List, Rumor has it that the Russian woman struck by the stone has adopted the Mbale boy. Details at six. This meteorite fall should be considered a "hammer" fall, in my opinion. I know some hate that term. B
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Goethe: Politician, writer, philosopher - NOT a meteoriticist. On 3/30/13 1:02 PM, "Met. Peter Scherff" wrote: > Hi, > > According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe "You must be Anvil > or Hammer". Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you Goethe > for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that I will be > able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled. > > Thanks, > > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael > Blood > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM > To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers > > Hi Anne, > However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL meteorites > are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all meteorites are > meteorites. > Michael > > On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, "Met. Anne Black" wrote: > >> It is Reality Michael! >> >> If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. >> >> >> Anne M. Black >> www.IMPACTIKA.com >> impact...@aol.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Blood >> To: dellenit ; Meteorite List >> >> Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. >> >> >> It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their >> perspective constitutes "reality." >> Michael >> >> On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: >> >>> so what, >>> every meteorite is a hammer stone ! >>> it struck planet earth >>> >>> d.u. >>> >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Hi, According to world renowned meteoriticist, Goethe "You must be Anvil or Hammer". Therefore all meteorites are hammer stones. Thank you Goethe for finally clearing up this long standing dilemma. I know that I will be able to sleep better tonight now that this has been settled. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 3:46 PM To: Met. Anne Black; delle...@aon.at; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers Hi Anne, However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL meteorites are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all meteorites are meteorites. Michael On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, "Met. Anne Black" wrote: > It is Reality Michael! > > If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. > > > Anne M. Black > www.IMPACTIKA.com > impact...@aol.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Blood > To: dellenit ; Meteorite List > > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. > > > It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their > perspective constitutes "reality." > Michael > > On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: > >> so what, >> every meteorite is a hammer stone ! >> it struck planet earth >> >> d.u. >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Hi Gary, Anne & all, Correct. I coined and defined the term: ""Hammer" - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human." People who argue about this are generally uninterested in the "hammer" aspect of meteorites - and they have every right to be. However, when they argue about it it is a matter of attempting to Impose their values/preferences on everyone else. I don't give one rat's patutie if someone else likes, cares about At all or couldn't care less. It is something I care about and collect and offer to others who are interested. People on this list often find it somehow "entertaining" to get Into someone else's face about what interests them. I don't care one iota about abstract art. However, I am not So egocentric as to proclaim it is not art! Obviously others consider it Art - so, to them it is art. My lack of interest or understanding is my Problem, not theirs. Michael On 3/30/13 12:46 PM, "Met. Gary Fujihara" wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong, but the assertion by d.u. is not correct because > planet Earth is not a man-made object. > > gary > > On Mar 30, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Anne Black wrote: > >> It is Reality Michael! >> >> If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. >> >> >> Anne M. Black >> www.IMPACTIKA.com >> impact...@aol.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Blood >> To: dellenit ; Meteorite List >> >> Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. >> >> >> It is interesting to see someone so totally >> Convinced their perspective constitutes "reality." >> Michael >> >> On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: >> >>> so what, >>> every meteorite is a hammer stone ! >>> it struck planet earth >>> >>> d.u. >>> >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Gary Fujihara > Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. > PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 > (808) 640-9161 > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ > http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the assertion by d.u. is not correct because planet Earth is not a man-made object. gary On Mar 30, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Anne Black wrote: > It is Reality Michael! > > If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. > > > Anne M. Black > www.IMPACTIKA.com > impact...@aol.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Blood > To: dellenit ; Meteorite List > > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. > > > It is interesting to see someone so totally > Convinced their perspective constitutes "reality." > Michael > > On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: > >> so what, >> every meteorite is a hammer stone ! >> it struck planet earth >> >> d.u. >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc. PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
Hi Anne, However..the topic was hammer stones. He stated ALL meteorites are hammer stones. That was the statement - Not that all meteorites are meteorites. Michael On 3/30/13 12:28 PM, "Met. Anne Black" wrote: > It is Reality Michael! > > If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. > > > Anne M. Black > www.IMPACTIKA.com > impact...@aol.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Blood > To: dellenit ; Meteorite List > > Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. > > > It is interesting to see someone so totally > Convinced their perspective constitutes "reality." > Michael > > On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: > >> so what, >> every meteorite is a hammer stone ! >> it struck planet earth >> >> d.u. >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Not Hammers
It is Reality Michael! If they had not struck Earth, they would be Meteors not Meteorites. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Michael Blood To: dellenit ; Meteorite List Sent: Sat, Mar 30, 2013 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure. It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their perspective constitutes "reality." Michael On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: so what, every meteorite is a hammer stone ! it struck planet earth d.u. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammer?
Hi Juris & others interested, Mike Farmer tells me hundreds if not thousands of stones Have been recovered from roofs (but mixed in with all others). As for the shockwave questiondebatable. Carancus in Peru Had a shockwave that killed a llama and a ewe, but also had ejected A mudball filled with meteoritic fragments hit the roof of a house. (See photo and story about 1/3rd down the page at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers3.html Under, CARANCUS) So, given the roof stones and the woman struck, Chelyabinsk is Definitely a hammer fall...though it remains to be seen if we will end up With specimens KNOWN to be hammer stones. (Ironically, hundreds Of hammer stones will end up in collections - but unidentified as such). Michael On 3/30/13 9:50 AM, "jpbrock...@aol.com" wrote: > Hello List: > > Are there reports of any of the stones actually hitting man made > structures? Also, is the shockwave damage to buildings sufficient to > classify the > fall as a Hammer? > > Juris > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure.
It is interesting to see someone so totally Convinced their perspective constitutes "reality." Michael On 3/30/13 11:51 AM, "delle...@aon.at" wrote: > so what, > every meteorite is a hammer stone ! > it struck planet earth > > d.u. > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure.
so what, every meteorite is a hammer stone ! it struck planet earth d.u. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammers for sure.
Hi Michael and all, Mike Farmer told me that many individuals struck houses, cars, Buildings, etc, but that all the dealers he knew of (implying himself, Included, I inferred) were simply bagging everything together. I am continually astonished at how people out to make money Ignore their market as exemplified in this circumstance. Of course one would want to have accompanying photos and, if Possible car owner names, etc, but I would not hesitate to pay substantially More for a stone of this fall from Mike Farmer if he individually bagged And labeled it and provided a photo of the struck item - I wouldn't Necessarily buy such an item on eBay from an unknown source, but from Mike Farmer I certainly would (or any other dealer I know and trust). Furthermore, I personally know many other collectors who would pay substantially more for known hammer stones from this fall. (or ANY hammer fall, for that matter). I just don't get it. Michael On 3/30/13 10:18 AM, "Met. Michael Gilmer" wrote: > Hi List, > > Rumor has it that the Russian woman struck by the stone has adopted > the Mbale boy. Details at six. > > This meteorite fall should be considered a "hammer" fall, in my > opinion. I know some hate that term. But let's face it, this fall > did hammer the crap out of an entire city. Buildings knocked down, > thousands of windows blown out. You can't argue against that. > > Before the purists hurl chondrites at me I am aware of the > important distinction terminologywhich is this - only those stones > which actually struck something are hammers or hammer stones. But, > if there is ever a candidate for something to be called a "hammer > fall" - this is it. This is the biggest and most devastating hammer > since Tunguska. > > Personally, I'd be careful purchasing hammer stones or artifacts from > this fall. Given the high TKW and thousands of individual stones > across a populated area, the potential for fraud is elevated. It > would be too easy for an unscrupulous seller to say that any given > stone bounced off their car or shed. Documentation is important. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD > on ebay, 2 large Tatahouine (33 and 35 grams) still at a really low price !
Hello if you're interested in really cool and big Tatahouine, check out these two auctions, several hours left. 35 grams : http://www.ebay.com/itm/111038092422 33 grams : http://www.ebay.com/itm/111037531562 Pierre-Marie Pelé Meteor-Center Météorites : achat - vente - expertise - expéditions - recherche http://www.meteor-center.com IMCA 3360 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammer?
Since tens of thousands of small stones are what rained down, lots hit things but all were very small stones. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2013, at 10:18 AM, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" wrote: > Hi List, > > Rumor has it that the Russian woman struck by the stone has adopted > the Mbale boy. Details at six. > > This meteorite fall should be considered a "hammer" fall, in my > opinion. I know some hate that term. But let's face it, this fall > did hammer the crap out of an entire city. Buildings knocked down, > thousands of windows blown out. You can't argue against that. > > Before the purists hurl chondrites at me I am aware of the > important distinction terminologywhich is this - only those stones > which actually struck something are hammers or hammer stones. But, > if there is ever a candidate for something to be called a "hammer > fall" - this is it. This is the biggest and most devastating hammer > since Tunguska. > > Personally, I'd be careful purchasing hammer stones or artifacts from > this fall. Given the high TKW and thousands of individual stones > across a populated area, the potential for fraud is elevated. It > would be too easy for an unscrupulous seller to say that any given > stone bounced off their car or shed. Documentation is important. > Look at how many Sikhote shrapnels were being passed as Chelyabinsk on > eBay right after the fall. Some of those same scammers could easily > take a real meteorite and fudge the hammer side of the story to > increase the interest and value. I would stay away from "hammers" of > this fall, unless they are offered by someone like our Russian > list-members or someone who has been on the ground in Russia, like > Mike. Anything else is rolling the dice. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > -- > - > Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone > Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone > RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > - > > > > On 3/30/13, Michael Farmer wrote: >> Hundreds of them have already been found on top of buildings, one woman was >> hit by stone which went through her jacket! >> Will try to find the news report but hard in Russian. >> Michael Farmer >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 30, 2013, at 9:50 AM, jpbrock...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Hello List: >>> >>> Are there reports of any of the stones actually hitting man made >>> structures? Also, is the shockwave damage to buildings sufficient to >>> classify the >>> fall as a Hammer? >>> >>> Juris >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammer?
Hi List, Rumor has it that the Russian woman struck by the stone has adopted the Mbale boy. Details at six. This meteorite fall should be considered a "hammer" fall, in my opinion. I know some hate that term. But let's face it, this fall did hammer the crap out of an entire city. Buildings knocked down, thousands of windows blown out. You can't argue against that. Before the purists hurl chondrites at me I am aware of the important distinction terminologywhich is this - only those stones which actually struck something are hammers or hammer stones. But, if there is ever a candidate for something to be called a "hammer fall" - this is it. This is the biggest and most devastating hammer since Tunguska. Personally, I'd be careful purchasing hammer stones or artifacts from this fall. Given the high TKW and thousands of individual stones across a populated area, the potential for fraud is elevated. It would be too easy for an unscrupulous seller to say that any given stone bounced off their car or shed. Documentation is important. Look at how many Sikhote shrapnels were being passed as Chelyabinsk on eBay right after the fall. Some of those same scammers could easily take a real meteorite and fudge the hammer side of the story to increase the interest and value. I would stay away from "hammers" of this fall, unless they are offered by someone like our Russian list-members or someone who has been on the ground in Russia, like Mike. Anything else is rolling the dice. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 3/30/13, Michael Farmer wrote: > Hundreds of them have already been found on top of buildings, one woman was > hit by stone which went through her jacket! > Will try to find the news report but hard in Russian. > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 30, 2013, at 9:50 AM, jpbrock...@aol.com wrote: > >> Hello List: >> >> Are there reports of any of the stones actually hitting man made >> structures? Also, is the shockwave damage to buildings sufficient to >> classify the >> fall as a Hammer? >> >> Juris >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammer?
Hundreds of them have already been found on top of buildings, one woman was hit by stone which went through her jacket! Will try to find the news report but hard in Russian. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 30, 2013, at 9:50 AM, jpbrock...@aol.com wrote: > Hello List: > > Are there reports of any of the stones actually hitting man made > structures? Also, is the shockwave damage to buildings sufficient to > classify the > fall as a Hammer? > > Juris > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - Hammer?
Hello List: Are there reports of any of the stones actually hitting man made structures? Also, is the shockwave damage to buildings sufficient to classify the fall as a Hammer? Juris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD;shergottite for sale at a competitive price
Hi List memebers, we are selling shergottite at competitive price, if anyone is interested please email me off list.. the first to comfirm the first to serve. best regards Said Haddany I.M.C.A # 8108 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Tatahouine Contributed by: Peter Marmet http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
