Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars (MSL)
Hmm heres another interesting possibility. The co2 frost covers a rock overnight then when daylight hits it thaws the co2 from the same direction repeatedly causing the pebbles to tumble a microscopic amount each day. It might take thousands of years for co2 to do the same kind of erosion water could do in a day. I know it takes heat for the gas to dissipate into the atmosphere so it would tend to stay thicker close to the surface like frost here in winter in low areas. Then as the martian winds whip up it would hit the denser gas near the surface and slosh it around and actually increase the pressure near the surface just like the storm surge of a hurricane. More time and more experiments will tell us what is happening. I would like to see more temperature , pressure and wind speed measurements done close to the surface in the streambeds and then out and above the stream beds. Some simulations of mars atmosphere recreated in a lab might help. Atmospheric pressures directly on top of solid co2 as it sublimates might actually exceed for a few mm, earths atmospheric pressures until it dissipates. It takes energy to dissipate the gas into the atmosphere . and its pretty cold on Mars. Cheers Steve --- On Sat, 6/1/13, Pict p...@pict.co.uk wrote: From: Pict p...@pict.co.uk Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed on Mars (MSL) To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, June 1, 2013, 4:59 PM Aeolian desert sands can exhibit remarkable sphericity, rounding and sorting not unlike extremely mature water worn clastic sediments, but I don't think the phenomena extends to grain sizes beyond a few millimetres. It does seem conceivable that very high wind speeds with a denser atmosphere might get tumbling agitation going with larger rocks, but poorly sorted conglomerates suggests water not wind from an earthly perspective. John On 01/06/2013 23:55, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Steve, Larryerosion, if the flowing CO2 could produce any, would not be anything like flowing water...eg tumbling rock into round pebbles..the best you could hope for would be some sorts of ventifacts being created...just as flowing gases (wind) create on earth. Graham On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:14 PM, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hi Steve: Yes, I did see your video link. Thanks for sending that. All that this demonstrates is that CO2 is denser than air and that, when it displaces the oxygen, the candle goes out. So, even in this case it is not the force of the CO2 that is putting the flame out, but the lack of oxygen. CO2 gas is 1.5 as dense as air, but 1/500 the density of water. I doubt that you could mimic the know effects of moving water in a stream bed with a much less dense gas. If nothing else, the gas would disperse in the atmosphere rapidly unlike the much denser water. Sublimation is a very slow process, look at comet nuclei. There is a limit to how fast something can sublimate. As the ice warms up and turns to gas, the energy needed to do this actually cools the surface (the same thing as evaporative cooling which cools you as sweat evaporates off of your skin). I wrote several papers years ago on ice sublimation. The scientists used the sizes and size distribution of the rounded grains to compare with what we see in stream beds on Earth and can actually come up with depth, duration, and speed of the water. I do not see how you could replicate that with a gentle flow of gas no matter how long you had. Your idea is interesting, but decades of research have shown that geologic processes on Mars (and other objects) are not that different than what we see on Earth. If we see on Mars what looks like a stream bed on Earth, it is likely that the process that formed the stream bed on Earth (water) also did this on Mars. So, what conditions would have been necessary for the stream bed to have formed on Mars? A little more atmosphere and a little warmer! I hope that this helps. Larry I believe I did not describe properly what I was trying to say. The video link I sent clearly showed co2 gas being poured from a beaker. During the cold mars night a thin layer of co2 frost can form on a hillside. when daylight returns and thaws the frost, the recently sublimated co2 being colder than the surrounding atmosphere is going to flow down hill. Millions of years of colder denser gas flowing down hill is going to cause erosion that simulates the flow of water. Mars has an 100 thousand year polar freeze thaw cycle. When billions of tons of co2 sublimate from the poles its going to flow out from the poles and cause erosion as it does so. Millions of years of this repeated cycle of the colder gas flowing down hill is going to carve
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Bassikounou Contributed by: Jeff Kuyken http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT
Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are found. Schmeller's Bavarian dictionary of 1827 doesn't know him yet. A Raspberry Tony is a person of very limited intellect, that is so excessively good-natured, that he put up with everything and is easy to short-change. There are in my opinion three possibilities of the origin: Either it's a literary character (of a forgotten piece), or it's the characterization by profession - somebody who is of such an imbecility, that he can earn his living only by collecting and selling raspberries, or it's a humorous derivation from the Strawberry George (often appearing as the boon companion of the Raspberry Tony). The Strawberry George in turn is a mishearing of the archbishop, In German Erzbischof which sounds similar to Erbeerschorsch. (Erdbeer(e) (Groundberry) is the Strawberry, Schorsch is the Bavarian form of George). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Gessler Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 06:04 An: meteorite-list Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is a... Can someone please tell me what a Raspberry Tony is? Thanx Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT
Looks originally like that, somehow - with a quite hedonistic touch though ... http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash4/s160x160/404057_487324287958899_480624486_a.jpg - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are found. Schmeller's Bavarian dictionary of 1827 doesn't know him yet. A Raspberry Tony is a person of very limited intellect, that is so excessively good-natured, that he put up with everything and is easy to short-change. There are in my opinion three possibilities of the origin: Either it's a literary character (of a forgotten piece), or it's the characterization by profession - somebody who is of such an imbecility, that he can earn his living only by collecting and selling raspberries, or it's a humorous derivation from the Strawberry George (often appearing as the boon companion of the Raspberry Tony). The Strawberry George in turn is a mishearing of the archbishop, In German Erzbischof which sounds similar to Erbeerschorsch. (Erdbeer(e) (Groundberry) is the Strawberry, Schorsch is the Bavarian form of George). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Gessler Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 06:04 An: meteorite-list Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is a... Can someone please tell me what a Raspberry Tony is? Thanx Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT
Amazing long and perfect description of A long forgotten word. Sadly you seem not to have the time to answer a couple of simple questions regarding the non-meteorite you sold me. I took it to a meteorite club meeting yesterday for many people to enjoy, 100% agree it is not even a meteorite. Can you use that amazing power of gab you have Martin, and simply let us know how you decided to make me your Raspberry Toni? You never answered one question asked you about the fake meteorite, fake labels, fake Murchison. You only made references to me carrying around baggies of meteorites in the old days (not sure what that has to do with receipt of a fake meteorite from you). Sorry, I wasn't born a millionaire and had to work to make myself one. It took some time. You make reference to a mistake I made in clearly shipping the wrong specimen some years ago, again sorted out and quickly corrected without character attack on the victim by me, mistake admitted and rectified easily. You refuse to even acknowledge that sending fake produced plastic label is FRUAD when your add clearly states that they are real AML pieces. I just wanted some answers to these questions, instead got a rambling bunch of nonsense that does nothing but divert and dilute from the bottom line of suspect or outright fake meteorite sold to me by you. If you would simply put all that energy to letting me know how such imitations were able to pass your very experiences hands, this would already be forgotten. Instead all I got is how wrong and stupid I am compared to you, you are of course always right because this came from some old Romanian collection? Well, since Romania is well known as the Nigeria of Europe for scams, I guess this could also be a Romanian scam meteorite. Sorry, this Rapsberry Toni is offended, and angry at receipt of a fake piece of garbage. Perhaps I'll send it up to ASU for lab work to see what exactly you sold me. They have Estherville from Nininger as well. Michael Farmer On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are found. Schmeller's Bavarian dictionary of 1827 doesn't know him yet. A Raspberry Tony is a person of very limited intellect, that is so excessively good-natured, that he put up with everything and is easy to short-change. There are in my opinion three possibilities of the origin: Either it's a literary character (of a forgotten piece), or it's the characterization by profession - somebody who is of such an imbecility, that he can earn his living only by collecting and selling raspberries, or it's a humorous derivation from the Strawberry George (often appearing as the boon companion of the Raspberry Tony). The Strawberry George in turn is a mishearing of the archbishop, In German Erzbischof which sounds similar to Erbeerschorsch. (Erdbeer(e) (Groundberry) is the Strawberry, Schorsch is the Bavarian form of George). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Gessler Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 06:04 An: meteorite-list Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is a... Can someone please tell me what a Raspberry Tony is? Thanx Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] kerry palmer
Hi list. I am looking for Kerry palmer. Please contact me. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: (AD) meteorites for sale
From: Steve Arnold Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:53 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: (AD) meteorites for sale Hi again list. Boy there are some great looking chely pieces starting to com out of Russia. BIG ONES! Hey I have a few meteorites for sale if interested. Most have COA,S with them and I have pics of all. Also free shipping to anywhere in the world. So if interested off list please as usual and have a great day. ___ 1. GAO collection 128 grams Most stones are complete. all with natural patina or black crusted individuals $225 2. CANYON DIABLO sculpted 73 gram dagger ( my best one ) $100 3.oriented 81 gram unclassified stoney with a cm size white chondrule ( my best one ) $150 4.CANYON DIABLO 228 GRAM CLEANED iron $ 75 5. TAZA oriented pea with great flow lines for it's size. 2.33 grams $ 40 6. ORIENTED 71 gram unclassified stoney with 3 large blems: rising on the underside $100 7. CANYON DIABLO 38 gram sculpted ( horse shaped ) iron. A very nice starter piece. $50 8. TITOLAR 21 gram stone with a small nick, 96% black crusted $75 9. TAZA oriented 3 gram cleaned pea. Nice flowing lines around the top of the iron. $25 10. SIKHOTE-ALIN 7 gram oriented iron with great roll over lipping $75 11. TAZA 29 gram sculptural iron tear drop a really nice taza iron $125 12. CANYON DIABLO 151 gram sculpted cleaned iron $150 13. BASSIKOUNOU 15 gram fragment Floyd Griffith collection with black crust on top and bottom $40 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT
Raspberry Tony sounds like a good definition for an invasive species that ruins it for honest species trying to eek out a living. Maybe in this case, we should call it an evasive species since we are not getting straight answers. It reminds me of an invasive species called a Quagga Mussel (small clams) living here in Lake Mojave. They clog up pipes, ruin boat motors and are just plain bad news. They feel they are entitled to live in our lakes for free and cause destruction even though they were not invited. They have even been known to piggy back off one another: a filthy trait they are well-know for. Next these clams will be demanding entitlements, continue to self-pair and substitute garbage for the real thing; All in the name of making more clams!. Definition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quagga_mussel Pure stupidity and greed. ... and for some reason, we all put up with it and what cost? The undermining of collector confidence. Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Amazing long and perfect description of A long forgotten word. Sadly you seem not to have the time to answer a couple of simple questions regarding the non-meteorite you sold me. I took it to a meteorite club meeting yesterday for many people to enjoy, 100% agree it is not even a meteorite. Can you use that amazing power of gab you have Martin, and simply let us know how you decided to make me your Raspberry Toni? You never answered one question asked you about the fake meteorite, fake labels, fake Murchison. You only made references to me carrying around baggies of meteorites in the old days (not sure what that has to do with receipt of a fake meteorite from you). Sorry, I wasn't born a millionaire and had to work to make myself one. It took some time. You make reference to a mistake I made in clearly shipping the wrong specimen some years ago, again sorted out and quickly corrected without character attack on the victim by me, mistake admitted and rectified easily. You refuse to even acknowledge that sending fake produced plastic label is FRUAD when your add clearly states that they are real AML pieces. I just wanted some answers to these questions, instead got a rambling bunch of nonsense that does nothing but divert and dilute from the bottom line of suspect or outright fake meteorite sold to me by you. If you would simply put all that energy to letting me know how such imitations were able to pass your very experiences hands, this would already be forgotten. Instead all I got is how wrong and stupid I am compared to you, you are of course always right because this came from some old Romanian collection? Well, since Romania is well known as the Nigeria of Europe for scams, I guess this could also be a Romanian scam meteorite. Sorry, this Rapsberry Toni is offended, and angry at receipt of a fake piece of garbage. Perhaps I'll send it up to ASU for lab work to see what exactly you sold me. They have Estherville from Nininger as well. Michael Farmer On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are found. Schmeller's Bavarian dictionary of 1827 doesn't know him yet. A Raspberry Tony is a person of very limited intellect, that is so excessively good-natured, that he put up with everything and is easy to short-change. There are in my opinion three possibilities of the origin: Either it's a literary character (of a forgotten piece), or it's the characterization by profession - somebody who is of such an imbecility, that he can earn his living only by collecting and selling raspberries, or it's a humorous derivation from the Strawberry George (often appearing as the boon companion of the Raspberry Tony). The Strawberry George in turn is a mishearing of the archbishop, In German Erzbischof which sounds similar to Erbeerschorsch. (Erdbeer(e) (Groundberry) is the Strawberry, Schorsch is the Bavarian form of George). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Gessler Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 06:04 An: meteorite-list Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is a... Can someone please tell me what a Raspberry Tony is? Thanx Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I thought maybe it was like the ultimate wedgie! Cheers! Jim Wooddell Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are found. Schmeller's Bavarian dictionary of 1827 doesn't know him yet. A Raspberry Tony is a person of very limited intellect, that is so excessively good-natured, that he put up with everything and is easy to short-change. There are in my opinion three possibilities of the origin: Either it's a literary character (of a forgotten piece), or it's the characterization by profession - somebody who is of such an imbecility, that he can earn his living only by collecting and selling raspberries, or it's a humorous derivation from the Strawberry George (often appearing as the boon companion of the Raspberry Tony). The Strawberry George in turn is a mishearing of the archbishop, In German Erzbischof which sounds similar to Erbeerschorsch. (Erdbeer(e) (Groundberry) is the Strawberry, Schorsch is the Bavarian form of George). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Paul Gessler Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 06:04 An: meteorite-list Betreff: [meteorite-list] what is a... Can someone please tell me what a Raspberry Tony is? Thanx Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT
Hi Adam, what do you want. The Bondoc and Murchi is here with us and contemporary suspended from sale, Farmer brings back the Estherville and will get his refund, and then we will test it. Therefore the witch-hunt is paused for 3 weeks+ until after Ensisheim. (and Art can close that topic until then). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 16:48 An: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Raspberry Tony sounds like a good definition for an invasive species that ruins it for honest species trying to eek out a living. Maybe in this case, we should call it an evasive species since we are not getting straight answers. It reminds me of an invasive species called a Quagga Mussel (small clams) living here in Lake Mojave. They clog up pipes, ruin boat motors and are just plain bad news. They feel they are entitled to live in our lakes for free and cause destruction even though they were not invited. They have even been known to piggy back off one another: a filthy trait they are well-know for. Next these clams will be demanding entitlements, continue to self-pair and substitute garbage for the real thing; All in the name of making more clams!. Definition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quagga_mussel Pure stupidity and greed. ... and for some reason, we all put up with it and what cost? The undermining of collector confidence. Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Amazing long and perfect description of A long forgotten word. Sadly you seem not to have the time to answer a couple of simple questions regarding the non-meteorite you sold me. I took it to a meteorite club meeting yesterday for many people to enjoy, 100% agree it is not even a meteorite. Can you use that amazing power of gab you have Martin, and simply let us know how you decided to make me your Raspberry Toni? You never answered one question asked you about the fake meteorite, fake labels, fake Murchison. You only made references to me carrying around baggies of meteorites in the old days (not sure what that has to do with receipt of a fake meteorite from you). Sorry, I wasn't born a millionaire and had to work to make myself one. It took some time. You make reference to a mistake I made in clearly shipping the wrong specimen some years ago, again sorted out and quickly corrected without character attack on the victim by me, mistake admitted and rectified easily. You refuse to even acknowledge that sending fake produced plastic label is FRUAD when your add clearly states that they are real AML pieces. I just wanted some answers to these questions, instead got a rambling bunch of nonsense that does nothing but divert and dilute from the bottom line of suspect or outright fake meteorite sold to me by you. If you would simply put all that energy to letting me know how such imitations were able to pass your very experiences hands, this would already be forgotten. Instead all I got is how wrong and stupid I am compared to you, you are of course always right because this came from some old Romanian collection? Well, since Romania is well known as the Nigeria of Europe for scams, I guess this could also be a Romanian scam meteorite. Sorry, this Rapsberry Toni is offended, and angry at receipt of a fake piece of garbage. Perhaps I'll send it up to ASU for lab work to see what exactly you sold me. They have Estherville from Nininger as well. Michael Farmer On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are found. Schmeller's Bavarian dictionary of 1827 doesn't know him yet. A Raspberry Tony is a person of very limited intellect, that is so excessively good-natured, that he put up with everything and is easy to short-change. There are in my opinion three possibilities of the origin: Either it's a literary character (of a forgotten piece), or it's the characterization by profession - somebody who is of such an imbecility, that he can earn his living only by collecting and selling raspberries, or it's a humorous derivation from the Strawberry George (often appearing as the boon companion of the Raspberry Tony). The Strawberry George in turn is a mishearing of the archbishop, In German Erzbischof which sounds similar to Erbeerschorsch. (Erdbeer(e) (Groundberry) is the Strawberry, Schorsch is the Bavarian form of George). Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:
[meteorite-list] Odp: Re: what is a... OT
Hello! lol I would not call this piece Murchison (or Murchi is new kind of rock?). All the best Tomasz Jakubowski Managing Editor http://www.meteorites.pwr.wroc.pl/ Dnia Niedziela, 2 Czerwca 2013 17:08 Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de napisał(a) Hi Adam, what do you want. The Bondoc and Murchi is here with us and contemporary suspended from sale, Farmer brings back the Estherville and will get his refund, and then we will test it. Therefore the witch-hunt is paused for 3 weeks+ until after Ensisheim. (and Art can close that topic until then). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 16:48 An: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Raspberry Tony sounds like a good definition for an invasive species that ruins it for honest species trying to eek out a living. Maybe in this case, we should call it an evasive species since we are not getting straight answers. It reminds me of an invasive species called a Quagga Mussel (small clams) living here in Lake Mojave. They clog up pipes, ruin boat motors and are just plain bad news. They feel they are entitled to live in our lakes for free and cause destruction even though they were not invited. They have even been known to piggy back off one another: a filthy trait they are well-know for. Next these clams will be demanding entitlements, continue to self-pair and substitute garbage for the real thing; All in the name of making more clams!. Definition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quagga_mussel Pure stupidity and greed. ... and for some reason, we all put up with it and what cost? The undermining of collector confidence. Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Amazing long and perfect description of A long forgotten word. Sadly you seem not to have the time to answer a couple of simple questions regarding the non-meteorite you sold me. I took it to a meteorite club meeting yesterday for many people to enjoy, 100% agree it is not even a meteorite. Can you use that amazing power of gab you have Martin, and simply let us know how you decided to make me your Raspberry Toni? You never answered one question asked you about the fake meteorite, fake labels, fake Murchison. You only made references to me carrying around baggies of meteorites in the old days (not sure what that has to do with receipt of a fake meteorite from you). Sorry, I wasn't born a millionaire and had to work to make myself one. It took some time. You make reference to a mistake I made in clearly shipping the wrong specimen some years ago, again sorted out and quickly corrected without character attack on the victim by me, mistake admitted and rectified easily. You refuse to even acknowledge that sending fake produced plastic label is FRUAD when your add clearly states that they are real AML pieces. I just wanted some answers to these questions, instead got a rambling bunch of nonsense that does nothing but divert and dilute from the bottom line of suspect or outright fake meteorite sold to me by you. If you would simply put all that energy to letting me know how such imitations were able to pass your very experiences hands, this would already be forgotten. Instead all I got is how wrong and stupid I am compared to you, you are of course always right because this came from some old Romanian collection? Well, since Romania is well known as the Nigeria of Europe for scams, I guess this could also be a Romanian scam meteorite. Sorry, this Rapsberry Toni is offended, and angry at receipt of a fake piece of garbage. Perhaps I'll send it up to ASU for lab work to see what exactly you sold me. They have Estherville from Nininger as well. Michael Farmer On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are found. Schmeller's Bavarian dictionary of 1827 doesn't know him yet. A Raspberry Tony is a person of very limited intellect, that is so excessively good-natured, that he put up with everything and is easy to short-change. There are in my opinion three possibilities of the origin: Either it's a literary character (of a forgotten piece), or it's the characterization by profession - somebody who is of such an imbecility, that he can earn his living only by collecting and selling raspberries, or it's a humorous derivation from the
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I do not want to get into a flame war here, only express my opinion. I am disgusted by what I have been witnessing. Using AML labels to promote obviously wrong material is sacrilege as far as I am concerned. Although I do not normally rush to conclusions based on images only, these examples are an insult to even the least seasoned collector who can tell the difference. The father of modern meteoritics would be hugely disappointed that somebody is using his good name to promote fake material! I am pretty much just a footnote in the history of meteorites and I know how upset I get when somebody tries to fake one of my labels, piggy-backs or self-pairs to material I have passionately worked on. Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Hi Adam, what do you want. The Bondoc and Murchi is here with us and contemporary suspended from sale, Farmer brings back the Estherville and will get his refund, and then we will test it. Therefore the witch-hunt is paused for 3 weeks+ until after Ensisheim. (and Art can close that topic until then). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 16:48 An: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Raspberry Tony sounds like a good definition for an invasive species that ruins it for honest species trying to eek out a living. Maybe in this case, we should call it an evasive species since we are not getting straight answers. It reminds me of an invasive species called a Quagga Mussel (small clams) living here in Lake Mojave. They clog up pipes, ruin boat motors and are just plain bad news. They feel they are entitled to live in our lakes for free and cause destruction even though they were not invited. They have even been known to piggy back off one another: a filthy trait they are well-know for. Next these clams will be demanding entitlements, continue to self-pair and substitute garbage for the real thing; All in the name of making more clams!. Definition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quagga_mussel Pure stupidity and greed. ... and for some reason, we all put up with it and what cost? The undermining of collector confidence. Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Amazing long and perfect description of A long forgotten word. Sadly you seem not to have the time to answer a couple of simple questions regarding the non-meteorite you sold me. I took it to a meteorite club meeting yesterday for many people to enjoy, 100% agree it is not even a meteorite. Can you use that amazing power of gab you have Martin, and simply let us know how you decided to make me your Raspberry Toni? You never answered one question asked you about the fake meteorite, fake labels, fake Murchison. You only made references to me carrying around baggies of meteorites in the old days (not sure what that has to do with receipt of a fake meteorite from you). Sorry, I wasn't born a millionaire and had to work to make myself one. It took some time. You make reference to a mistake I made in clearly shipping the wrong specimen some years ago, again sorted out and quickly corrected without character attack on the victim by me, mistake admitted and rectified easily. You refuse to even acknowledge that sending fake produced plastic label is FRUAD when your add clearly states that they are real AML pieces. I just wanted some answers to these questions, instead got a rambling bunch of nonsense that does nothing but divert and dilute from the bottom line of suspect or outright fake meteorite sold to me by you. If you would simply put all that energy to letting me know how such imitations were able to pass your very experiences hands, this would already be forgotten. Instead all I got is how wrong and stupid I am compared to you, you are of course always right because this came from some old Romanian collection? Well, since Romania is well known as the Nigeria of Europe for scams, I guess this could also be a Romanian scam meteorite. Sorry, this Rapsberry Toni is offended, and angry at receipt of a fake piece of garbage. Perhaps I'll send it up to ASU for lab work to see what exactly you sold me. They have Estherville from Nininger as well. Michael Farmer On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old references are
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Martin, all I have seen is you playing the innocent victim being attacked by amateurs and you pretending to be savaged instead of the one who scammed me. Why don't you man up, answer the simple questions, and make this all go away? Where did you get them? Who scammed you? Why pass off plastic as real AML labels and make up a bologna provenance story? Who are you protecting? Is there a mystery Hungarian collection (By the way I mistakenly substituted Romania for Hungary, I do apologize for that offensive error). Or is this all a fantasy written to offload some fake crap? If we got as clear and concise answers to those questions as we got ancient colloquial literature lessons, we would be done with this thread by now. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Adam, what do you want. The Bondoc and Murchi is here with us and contemporary suspended from sale, Farmer brings back the Estherville and will get his refund, and then we will test it. Therefore the witch-hunt is paused for 3 weeks+ until after Ensisheim. (and Art can close that topic until then). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. Juni 2013 16:48 An: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Raspberry Tony sounds like a good definition for an invasive species that ruins it for honest species trying to eek out a living. Maybe in this case, we should call it an evasive species since we are not getting straight answers. It reminds me of an invasive species called a Quagga Mussel (small clams) living here in Lake Mojave. They clog up pipes, ruin boat motors and are just plain bad news. They feel they are entitled to live in our lakes for free and cause destruction even though they were not invited. They have even been known to piggy back off one another: a filthy trait they are well-know for. Next these clams will be demanding entitlements, continue to self-pair and substitute garbage for the real thing; All in the name of making more clams!. Definition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quagga_mussel Pure stupidity and greed. ... and for some reason, we all put up with it and what cost? The undermining of collector confidence. Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2013 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is a... OT Amazing long and perfect description of A long forgotten word. Sadly you seem not to have the time to answer a couple of simple questions regarding the non-meteorite you sold me. I took it to a meteorite club meeting yesterday for many people to enjoy, 100% agree it is not even a meteorite. Can you use that amazing power of gab you have Martin, and simply let us know how you decided to make me your Raspberry Toni? You never answered one question asked you about the fake meteorite, fake labels, fake Murchison. You only made references to me carrying around baggies of meteorites in the old days (not sure what that has to do with receipt of a fake meteorite from you). Sorry, I wasn't born a millionaire and had to work to make myself one. It took some time. You make reference to a mistake I made in clearly shipping the wrong specimen some years ago, again sorted out and quickly corrected without character attack on the victim by me, mistake admitted and rectified easily. You refuse to even acknowledge that sending fake produced plastic label is FRUAD when your add clearly states that they are real AML pieces. I just wanted some answers to these questions, instead got a rambling bunch of nonsense that does nothing but divert and dilute from the bottom line of suspect or outright fake meteorite sold to me by you. If you would simply put all that energy to letting me know how such imitations were able to pass your very experiences hands, this would already be forgotten. Instead all I got is how wrong and stupid I am compared to you, you are of course always right because this came from some old Romanian collection? Well, since Romania is well known as the Nigeria of Europe for scams, I guess this could also be a Romanian scam meteorite. Sorry, this Rapsberry Toni is offended, and angry at receipt of a fake piece of garbage. Perhaps I'll send it up to ASU for lab work to see what exactly you sold me. They have Estherville from Nininger as well. Michael Farmer On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:48 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Paul, Raspberry Tony (Himbeertoni) is a jesting and cuss word of the Austro-Bavarian language. The etymology is absolutely unclear, neither old
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites sold from Europe, not as described
Wow, that hurts. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Naveen Jain nav...@inome.com wrote: I wonder if this the same Matin Altman who scammed me fir 400K by selling me garbage with absolute guarantee to return if I was 't satisfied. He refused to take the garbage back after I complained. I am out 400K and this man is a scam artist. Naveen On Jun 1, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Ok, so no answers then. I really don't understand your wit sometimes. Sorry it is above my head. So you refuse to answer why you sold me plastic label when your add said best provenance? Whoever bought the Bondoc and Murchison should step forward and get rid of that garbage. I am trying to see where this mess got started. Clearly you have no interest in that. See you in France, your piece will be hand delivered. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2013, at 7:22 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Mike, it's enough. I'm not your Raspberry Tony. I wrote to the list because you wrote ke a very nasty private email I sent you a single email, yesterday at 11:11 p.m. containing the same content about labels ect, just I wrote here today, plus offering you to send the Estherville back and to refund the purchase price and the shipment costs. That email didn't contain any single harsh word, neither was it nastier than the first email we wrote to the list today. An answer you didn't wrote to us, instead we could read your effusions this morning on the list. So stop that immature clownery or look for somebody else to play with. Where is my refund? I will be happy when my money is back in my account. Your email yesterday came in half an hour earlier than our answer to you. As you might now, booking period of banks is in Germany (and Europe) ending at 5:00p.m. And booking takes place only on working days not on weekends. For accounting and tax purposes we have to withdraw each Paypal-payment onto our bank accounts. So we have first to refill the paypal-account again, which takes 2 working days. Hence probably Wednesday you'll get your refund, Which btw. matches the 5 days you had needed to pay the specimen. Else, much fun still in continuing, I won't support you in that, as in past you often enough you talked yourself in a ride or fall on this list, and anyway I trust enough in the competence of the collectors, to built their own opinion, what they will think about this. So see you in Ensisheim, Until then I won't be at your disposal here. Have a nice day, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Juni 2013 15:38 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites sold from Europe, not as described Martin, Do you feel a plastic label printed on your home computer qualifies as an American Meteorite Laboratory passport as you write in your email? I can print such things in seconds, as can anyone. So by using your usually very high standards, I can print €500 notes on my computer, as long as I put the name of the European bank reserve on the fake, it would make it a real €500 note? I think I'll try to pass a few around at dealers tables in Ensisheim and see how many rocks I can buy. Sorry but this collector is calling your passport a fake travel document. You sold this Estherville to me as an extremely rare well documented piece, you clearly state that it is with AML labels, but there is no AML label, just a plastic modern-made card. You know it is NOT am AML label, and selling it as such is a scam. Since there is not label, no number on the stone, absolutely nothing to show provenance, clearly the entire email you spent hours writing was a sales gimmick. You know I am a knowledgeable and serious collector, so why you would pass off this manufactured piece to me I don't know. Surely knowing my temper as you right here, you would know what the response would be? The only reason I bought it is because you stated it was AML with label. I figured that if it has an AML label then I was safe. I did not consider that I would receive a plastic card in substitute for AML documentation. I don't know who did it, or what Romanian collection it came from, I can't understand how you passed that off as acceptable. Where is my refund? I will be happy when my money is back in my account. Why you are defending these fake pieces with a story about a mislabeled meteorite I sold years ago I am not sure. The piece was cut and yes, it was in the wrong box or bag or whatever. Mistake yes, fraud of making and selling fake old labels and provenance, no. I have made at least one mistake mixing up a piece, but you know what, thankfully a
[meteorite-list] New Paper About Hypothesized Wilkes Land impact basin
von Frese, R. R. B., H. R. Kim, T. E. Leftwich, J. W. Kim and A. V. Golynsky, 2013, Satellite magnetic anomalies of the Antarctic Wilkes Land impact basin inferred from regional gravity and terrain data. Tectonophysics. vol. 585, pp. 185–195. doi:10.1016/j.tecto.2012.09.009. http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2013Tectp.585..185V http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040195112005677 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] dimension 5
Hello list. I am looking for KERRY PALMER. Please contact me asap. -- Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis Supported by Graham Hancock
Graham Hancock, a well known alternative prehistorian and best-selling popular book author has apparently Become a supporter of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis. In his upcoming book, which is currently described as a revision of his 1995 book, Fingerprints of the Gods,” Mr. Hancock will apparently argue for Younger Dryas Impact having created a titanic global cataclysm that destroyed a lost civilization that he believes existed during the Late Pleistocene. According to published accounts, he will apparently use Gobekli Tepi as evidence of the existence of this lost Ice Age civilization. Graham Hancock Working on 'Fingerprints of the Gods Part 2' at http://dailygrail.com/Hidden-History/2013/2/Graham-Hancock-Working-Fingerprints-the-Gods-Part-2 stated: the first piece of evidence that made me realise there was a new story to be told was proof that north America was struck by several pieces of a giant fragmenting comet 12,900 years ago (i.e. 10,900 BC), causing an extinction-level event all around the planet, radically changing global climate and initiating the sudden and hitherto unexplained thousand-year deep-freeze right at the end of the Ice Age that geologists call the Younger Dryas. and …supports the thesis of a great civilisation, lost to history between 13,000 and 12,000 years ago, that I controversially put before the public in 1995 with Fingerprints of the Gods. His Facebook page about the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis is https://www.facebook.com/Author.GrahamHancock/posts/10151506710212354 Initially, in Fingerprints of the Gods, Mr. Hancock argued that his lost Ice Age civilization was destroyed by Earth Crustal Displacement. In Underworld: Flooded Kingdoms of the Ice Age, he abandoned Earth Crustal Displacement and argued that his lost Ice Age civilization was destroyed by rapid global sea level rise that started at the end of the last Ice Age and continued into Early Holocene. Now it appears that his terminal Pleistocene cataclysm has shifted again from terminal Pleistocene – Early Holocene global sea level rise to the hypothesized Younger Dryas impact. Reviews of Fingerprints of the Gods are: 1. Malek, J., 1996, Fingerprints of the Gods: A Review. Discussions in Egyptology. vol. 24, pp. 135 – 142. http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articlesfile=articlesid=27 2. The Gentle Art of Myth Management by Duncan Edlin, Papers, Hall of Ma’at, http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articlesfile=articlesid=28 Additional articles about “Fingerprints of the Gods” and Earth Crustal Displacement can be found in the “Papers” section of the Hall of Ma’at, http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Topics They include: Brass, M., 2002, Tracing Graham Hancock's Shifting Cataclysm. Skeptical Inquirer. vol. 26, no. 4, pp. 45-49. http://www.csicop.org/si/show/tracing_graham_hancockrsquos_shifting_cataclysm/ http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articlesfile=articlesid=48 Reviews of Underworld: Flooded Kingdoms of the Ice Age and associated video are: 1. Book Review of Underworld by Graham Hancock by Duncan Edlin Papers, Hall of Ma’at, http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articlesfile=articlesid=47 2. Review of Flooded Kingdoms of the Ice Age by Nic Flemming Papers, Hall of Ma’at, http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articlesfile=articlesid=36 Some other books of Graham Hancock’s other books include “Keeper Of Genesis,” “Talisman: Sacred Cities, Secret Faith,” “The Sign and The Seal,” “Heaven's Mirror,” and “Supernatural: Meetings with The Ancient Teachers of Mankind.” A review of “Supernatural: Meetings with The Ancient Teachers of Mankind” is: The trance of life by Gary Lachman, The Guardian, December 30, 2005 http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/dec/31/featuresreviews.guardianreview12 A related paper is: Spencer, W., 2003, The Lost Aisle: Selling Atlantis in the “Spiritual Supermarket”. Journal of Religion and Popular Culture. vol. 3, no. 1, article 5-5. http://utpjournals.metapress.com/content/b416h386r5387473/ http://utpjournals.metapress.com/content/b416h386r5387473/fulltext.pdf Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 7651 - Meteorite Box Set - 12pc Collector Kit + 4 New Classifications - AD
Hello List, Announcing: NWA 7651 - Meteorite Box Set! Here is your chance to get an awesome package deal! NWA 7651 Eucrite-cm: This absolutely stunning new meteorite is not only beautiful but also mysterious. Displaying a purely crystalline matrix made up of equal parts large coarse grained plagioclase and pyroxene (close up picture included). Thick, glossy black fusion crust with flow lines run the length of this slice. There is continued research on NWA 7651 as the mysteries unravel.. http://bcmeteorites.com/NWA_7651_Box_Set.php Included in this Box Set: 1.) NWA 7651 - Eucrite-cm, 39.45g full slice w/ crust 2.) NWA 7678 - Beautiful new CV3, this 2.29g slice displays a very interesting dual lithology in membrane case 3.) NWA 6963 - Martian Shergottite, 29mg encased in a lenticular case displaying 3 separate images. 4.) Campo del Cielo, Argentina - Iron, IIAB - Key Chain 5.) Admire, Kansas - Pallasite, Translucent Olivine in glass pendant vial with chain 6.) BC Meteorites custom polished tungsten carbide 1cm scale cube 7.) 60x/30x lighted pocket magnifier 8.) Aluminum meteorite free standing label 9.) Large acrylic display stand (for use with riker mount) 10.) Small acrylic display stand (for use w/o riker mount) 11.) Large latching protective case with shoulder strap All meteorites within this box set are accompanied with a COA and protective specimen box. TOTAL $1500 Shipped!!! Contact me if interested. --- 4 New classifications are available on my website. NWA 6990 - LL7 *Rare* NWA 7606 - LL3.4 *Chondrulicous!* NWA 7608 - Diogenite *Stunning Orange Matrix* NWA 7609 - Eucrite, Basaltic *Beautiful* All slices are up and available for viewing. -- Over 150+ meteorite related listings on eBay - most with Buy It Now option! http://stores.ebay.com/bcmeteorites Enjoy! Adam Bates IMCA 3213 BC Meteorites www.bcmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
