Re: [meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)
Hi Bob, You are right, I did not read the articles. I was just responding to this thread on the List. But as it stands, the OC's recovered from the Southwest Deserts don't appear to be something that most Universities are currently looking to study or add to their collection . If they were, we would have scientists willing to classify them for free as they did years ago. Even with funding the Universities may not be interested due to lesser scientific value. I do not think it is necessary to classify every OC found on a dry lake bed or desert strewn field. You are entitled to your opinion and I just feel differently about the subject. I don't think we would ever have the true picture anyways due to erosion, meteorites being buried upon impact on Earth, movement of meteorites by Native Americans, other people recovering pieces from the same area over the years. You and I both know that meteorites will appear different due to weathering depending on where they are found in the strewn field, hill top, river bed, etc. Now throw in the dynamics of the Lake bed freeze and thaw cycles, movement of meteorites over the hundreds of years. What about different scientists classifying the same OC at different labs and having slightly different results. I was told that you can not have L,LL, H and L/H meteorites from the same fall. I have proof from many hours of field work from one location that it is spread over many miles on stable surface. It proves that you can have L, LL, H and transitional H/ L from one fall. The only way to confirm this is thru terrestrial dating which would never happen due to funding. I would bet that is what you are finding on lake beds. >Stump Springs 130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional numbers,only 1 >classified find. No strewn-field data is published. Wow Bob, Really! What is the rush? Is there a time frame on strewn field recovery work? Some people like to hunt and discover the bigger picture before putting it all out there. At what point do you stop and give up when you are still making finds? All of my data with field map, in situ pictures, and descriptions of finds will be released at a later date.This will only show data from one fall. Every fall is different. I have yet to see any strewn field maps from any of your published locations. >Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of >fragments, and only one classification. Worlds >only one meteoritedry lake! Was there any strewn-field data recorded?There >still is >no estimateof how many >original masses formed all of these clusters >of fragments, or theirlocations. This is one big fuster cluck. There are two classifications from Yelland . Are you suggesting that I should have had every fragment classified from this location? Can you imagine the reaction I would have gotten if I presented this? " Hi Alan, here are all the fragments (just over one thousand). I just know these stones are different. Can you give me one thousand provisional numbers?" I have field data from Yelland before any piece was removed. What would this data prove? Probably NOTHING. Only that a large OC was recovered from a dry lake bed and fragmented into thousands of pieces. The field data would give me a direction in which to look for other pieces but again the Scientists do not seem to be interested in this. From the last count over 200 lbs have been recovered and with the exception of one stone all of the pieces look identical to each other. Again as I said there are two classifications from Yelland thus far and the majority of fragments look identical. Could these two classifications be from different segments of a large main mass? Feel free to stop by and sort through all of the Yelland fragments. If you find anything different I will buy you dinner. >please allow me to update this table of recoverydata:Stewart Valley - over 700 >recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 6different classifications, only the H6 >and L6 >are paired. Where's thebeef? Are you thinking that there were 6 different falls on Stewart Valley dry lake bed? That is hard to imagine that many different falls in one area. Anything is possible I guess. Sonny -Original Message- From: Robert Verish To: Sonny Clary Cc: Meteoritecentral List Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 7:10 pm Subject: Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas) Hi Sonny, Apparently, you haven't read any of my articles where I clearlypointed to the top of the pyramid where the funding for meteorite studies arerationed-out, and why there is a lack of funding for classifying USmeteorites. I commiserate with the classifiers on this lack of funding and in noway am I laying any guilt on them. I well understand that no US researchercan come forward as a benefactor in this current situation. My offer of USchondrite type-specimen was actuallydirected to researchers outside of theUSA. Again, that was stated in my article, as w
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Re: [meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)
All of the taxpayer's money spent on the shrimp on a treadmill study would have gone a long way to study meteorites. A link to my favorite Mantis shrimp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-yAHTfVeE I guess we know what bureaucrats think is more important. An impact from space or the jogging habits of a lowly decapod crustacean. Personally, I have given up all hope that hard-working taxpayers money will ever be spent wisely. Adam - Original Message - From: "Robert Verish via Meteorite-list" To: "Sonny Clary" Cc: "Meteoritecentral List" Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was,Re: something about Las Vegas) Hi Sonny, Apparently, you haven't read any of my articles where I clearly pointed to the top of the pyramid where the funding for meteorite studies are rationed-out, and why there is a lack of funding for classifying US meteorites. I commiserate with the classifiers on this lack of funding and in no way am I laying any guilt on them. I well understand that no US researcher can come forward as a benefactor in this current situation. My offer of US chondrite type-specimen was actually directed to researchers outside of the USA. Again, that was stated in my article, as well. Your defense of US geochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this instance. I don't need to ask their position on this funding matter. It's well documented. But maybe we should also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even outside of the MetSoc. Maybe even outside of the USA. Ask them what they think about us not recording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly found meteorites. Researchers like those that are studying the rate of influx and number of falls per unit area. And other researchers such as those that are interested in knowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in the vicinity of our astronauts. We should ask all of them. We should ask all the stakeholders. Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders as well, because I'm sure they are assuming their tax dollars are being spent wisely on protecting them from meteoroids hitting them. I'm sure all of these various people are counting on us to do our job in this regard, and not to literally ignore found meteorites. I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make this realization and make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older. So, I'll say it now. It wasn't that long ago that we, as US meteorite-hunters, were thanking our lucky stars that we didn't have to deal with all of the stifling regulations that our comrades in Australia and Canada were having to put-up with. But they made some crucial adjustments in their culture and now those countries are experiencing a golden age in meteorite-recovery. It's amazing how fast things have turned 180 degrees. Bob V. P.S. - please allow me to update this table of recovery data: Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 6 different classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired. Where's the beef? Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10 are unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired. Still no justification for a complaint. Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 66 classifieds, but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12, 10 in 15. Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so far 56 of these are classified. >8 unique classes. No one has done a pairing study. Stump Springs 130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional numbers, only 1 classified find. No strewn-field data is published. Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification. Worlds only one meteorite dry lake! Was there any strewn-field data recorded? There still is no estimate of how many original masses formed all of these clusters of fragments, or their locations. This is one big fuster cluck. On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. To: raremeteori...@centurylink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM Hi Bob, Adam and List, >This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to >write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said, >"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." >Still haven't received any offers deleted Stewart Valley TBR plus finds finds, Tungston Mountain TBR meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments more deletions __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-
Re: [meteorite-list] Thank you Was Local to Las Vegas expert needed ...
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I am in the process of responding to the contacts sent to me. Just wanted to thank everyone again who wrote and the subsequent discussion on the state of affairs for classification. Elton __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)
Hi Sonny, Apparently, you haven't read any of my articles where I clearly pointed to the top of the pyramid where the funding for meteorite studies are rationed-out, and why there is a lack of funding for classifying US meteorites. I commiserate with the classifiers on this lack of funding and in no way am I laying any guilt on them. I well understand that no US researcher can come forward as a benefactor in this current situation. My offer of US chondrite type-specimen was actually directed to researchers outside of the USA. Again, that was stated in my article, as well. Your defense of US geochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this instance. I don't need to ask their position on this funding matter. It's well documented. But maybe we should also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even outside of the MetSoc. Maybe even outside of the USA. Ask them what they think about us not recording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly found meteorites. Researchers like those that are studying the rate of influx and number of falls per unit area. And other researchers such as those that are interested in knowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in the vicinity of our astronauts. We should ask all of them. We should ask all the stakeholders. Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders as well, because I'm sure they are assuming their tax dollars are being spent wisely on protecting them from meteoroids hitting them. I'm sure all of these various people are counting on us to do our job in this regard, and not to literally ignore found meteorites. I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make this realization and make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older. So, I'll say it now. It wasn't that long ago that we, as US meteorite-hunters, were thanking our lucky stars that we didn't have to deal with all of the stifling regulations that our comrades in Australia and Canada were having to put-up with. But they made some crucial adjustments in their culture and now those countries are experiencing a golden age in meteorite-recovery. It's amazing how fast things have turned 180 degrees. Bob V. P.S. - please allow me to update this table of recovery data: Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 6 different classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired. Where's the beef? Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10 are unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired. Still no justification for a complaint. Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 66 classifieds, but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12, 10 in 15. Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so far 56 of these are classified. >8 unique classes. No one has done a pairing study. Stump Springs 130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional numbers, only 1 classified find. No strewn-field data is published. Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification. Worlds only one meteorite dry lake! Was there any strewn-field data recorded? There still is no estimate of how many original masses formed all of these clusters of fragments, or their locations. This is one big fuster cluck. On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. To: raremeteori...@centurylink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM Hi Bob, Adam and List, >This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to >write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said, >"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." >Still haven't received any offers deleted Stewart Valley TBR plus finds finds, Tungston Mountain TBR meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments more deletions __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cassini Finds Global Ocean in Saturn's Moon Enceladus
September 15, 2015 RELEASE 15-188 Cassini Finds Global Ocean in Saturn's Moon Enceladus A global ocean lies beneath the icy crust of Saturn's geologically active moon Enceladus, according to new research using data from NASA's Cassini mission. Researchers found the magnitude of the moon's very slight wobble, as it orbits Saturn, can only be accounted for if its outer ice shell is not frozen solid to its interior, meaning a global ocean must be present. The finding implies the fine spray of water vapor, icy particles and simple organic molecules Cassini has observed coming from fractures near the moon's south pole is being fed by this vast liquid water reservoir. The research is presented in a paper published online this week in the journal Icarus. Previous analysis of Cassini data suggested the presence of a lens-shaped body of water, or sea, underlying the moon's south polar region. However, gravity data collected during the spacecraft's several close passes over the south polar region lent support to the possibility the sea might be global. The new results -- derived using an independent line of evidence based on Cassini's images -- confirm this to be the case. "This was a hard problem that required years of observations, and calculations involving a diverse collection of disciplines, but we are confident we finally got it right," said Peter Thomas, a Cassini imaging team member at Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, and lead author of the paper. Cassini scientists analyzed more than seven years' worth of images of Enceladus taken by the spacecraft, which has been orbiting Saturn since mid-2004. They carefully mapped the positions of features on Enceladus -- mostly craters -- across hundreds of images, in order to measure changes in the moon's rotation with extreme precision. As a result, they found Enceladus has a tiny, but measurable wobble as it orbits Saturn. Because the icy moon is not perfectly spherical -- and because it goes slightly faster and slower during different portions of its orbit around Saturn -- the giant planet subtly rocks Enceladus back and forth as it rotates. The team plugged their measurement of the wobble, called a libration, into different models for how Enceladus might be arranged on the inside, including ones in which the moon was frozen from surface to core. "If the surface and core were rigidly connected, the core would provide so much dead weight the wobble would be far smaller than we observe it to be," said Matthew Tiscareno, a Cassini participating scientist at the SETI Institute, Mountain View, California, and a co-author of the paper. "This proves that there must be a global layer of liquid separating the surface from the core," he said. The mechanisms that might have prevented Enceladus' ocean from freezing remain a mystery. Thomas and his colleagues suggest a few ideas for future study that might help resolve the question, including the surprising possibility that tidal forces due to Saturn's gravity could be generating much more heat within Enceladus than previously thought. "This is a major step beyond what we understood about this moon before, and it demonstrates the kind of deep-dive discoveries we can make with long-lived orbiter missions to other planets," said co-author Carolyn Porco, Cassini imaging team lead at Space Science Institute (SSI), Boulder, Colorado, and visiting scholar at the University of California, Berkeley. "Cassini has been exemplary in this regard." The unfolding story of Enceladus has been one of the great triumphs of Cassini's long mission at Saturn. Scientists first detected signs of the moon's icy plume in early 2005, and followed up with a series of discoveries about the material gushing from warm fractures near its south pole. They announced strong evidence for a regional sea in 2014, and more recently, in 2015, they shared results that suggest hydrothermal activity is taking place on the ocean floor. Cassini is scheduled to make a close flyby of Enceladus on Oct. 28, in the mission's deepest-ever dive through the moon's active plume of icy material. The spacecraft will pass a mere 30 miles (49 kilometers) above the moon's surface. The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, ESA (European Space Agency) and the Italian Space Agency. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, manages the mission for the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, California. The Cassini imaging operations center is based at Space Science Institute. For more information about Cassini, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/cassini and http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov -end- Dwayne Brown / Laurie Cantillo Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 / 202-358-1077 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov / laura.l.canti...@nasa.gov Preston Dyches Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-70
[meteorite-list] Cassini Finds Global Ocean in Saturn's Moon Enceladus
September 15, 2015 RELEASE 15-188 Cassini Finds Global Ocean in Saturn's Moon Enceladus A global ocean lies beneath the icy crust of Saturn's geologically active moon Enceladus, according to new research using data from NASA's Cassini mission. Researchers found the magnitude of the moon's very slight wobble, as it orbits Saturn, can only be accounted for if its outer ice shell is not frozen solid to its interior, meaning a global ocean must be present. The finding implies the fine spray of water vapor, icy particles and simple organic molecules Cassini has observed coming from fractures near the moon's south pole is being fed by this vast liquid water reservoir. The research is presented in a paper published online this week in the journal Icarus. Previous analysis of Cassini data suggested the presence of a lens-shaped body of water, or sea, underlying the moon's south polar region. However, gravity data collected during the spacecraft's several close passes over the south polar region lent support to the possibility the sea might be global. The new results -- derived using an independent line of evidence based on Cassini's images -- confirm this to be the case. "This was a hard problem that required years of observations, and calculations involving a diverse collection of disciplines, but we are confident we finally got it right," said Peter Thomas, a Cassini imaging team member at Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, and lead author of the paper. Cassini scientists analyzed more than seven years' worth of images of Enceladus taken by the spacecraft, which has been orbiting Saturn since mid-2004. They carefully mapped the positions of features on Enceladus -- mostly craters -- across hundreds of images, in order to measure changes in the moon's rotation with extreme precision. As a result, they found Enceladus has a tiny, but measurable wobble as it orbits Saturn. Because the icy moon is not perfectly spherical -- and because it goes slightly faster and slower during different portions of its orbit around Saturn -- the giant planet subtly rocks Enceladus back and forth as it rotates. The team plugged their measurement of the wobble, called a libration, into different models for how Enceladus might be arranged on the inside, including ones in which the moon was frozen from surface to core. "If the surface and core were rigidly connected, the core would provide so much dead weight the wobble would be far smaller than we observe it to be," said Matthew Tiscareno, a Cassini participating scientist at the SETI Institute, Mountain View, California, and a co-author of the paper. "This proves that there must be a global layer of liquid separating the surface from the core," he said. The mechanisms that might have prevented Enceladus' ocean from freezing remain a mystery. Thomas and his colleagues suggest a few ideas for future study that might help resolve the question, including the surprising possibility that tidal forces due to Saturn's gravity could be generating much more heat within Enceladus than previously thought. "This is a major step beyond what we understood about this moon before, and it demonstrates the kind of deep-dive discoveries we can make with long-lived orbiter missions to other planets," said co-author Carolyn Porco, Cassini imaging team lead at Space Science Institute (SSI), Boulder, Colorado, and visiting scholar at the University of California, Berkeley. "Cassini has been exemplary in this regard." The unfolding story of Enceladus has been one of the great triumphs of Cassini's long mission at Saturn. Scientists first detected signs of the moon's icy plume in early 2005, and followed up with a series of discoveries about the material gushing from warm fractures near its south pole. They announced strong evidence for a regional sea in 2014, and more recently, in 2015, they shared results that suggest hydrothermal activity is taking place on the ocean floor. Cassini is scheduled to make a close flyby of Enceladus on Oct. 28, in the mission's deepest-ever dive through the moon's active plume of icy material. The spacecraft will pass a mere 30 miles (49 kilometers) above the moon's surface. The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, ESA (European Space Agency) and the Italian Space Agency. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, manages the mission for the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, California. The Cassini imaging operations center is based at Space Science Institute. For more information about Cassini, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/cassini and http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov -end- Dwayne Brown / Laurie Cantillo Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 / 202-358-1077 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov / laura.l.canti...@nasa.gov Preston Dyches Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-70
[meteorite-list] Scientists Use Lasers to Simulate Shock Effects of Meteorite Impact on Silica
https://www6.slac.stanford.edu/news/2015-09-14-scientists-use-lasers-simulate-shock-effects-meteorite-impact-silica.aspx Scientists Use Lasers to Simulate Shock Effects of Meteorite Impact on Silica SLAC Study Reveals its Unexpectedly Fast Transformation into a Compressed Form Stanford University September 14, 2015 Scientists used high-power laser beams at the Department of Energys SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory to simulate the shock effects of a meteorite impact in silica, one of the most abundant materials in the Earth's crust. They observed, for the first time, its shockingly fast transformation into the mineral stishovite - a rare, extremely hard and dense form of silica. You can scoop up bits of stishovite at the scene of meteorite impacts, such as a 50,000-year-old meteor crater in Arizona that measures about 3/4-mile across and about 570 feet deep. A similar form also exists naturally at the extreme pressures of the Earth's mantle, hundreds of miles below ground. The Speed of Stishovite In the experiment at SLAC, researchers used lasers to create a shock wave in samples of silica glass. The heat and compression of this shock wave caused tiny crystals, or "grains," of stishovite to grow within just a few nanoseconds, or billionths of a second. This speed defies predictions that the changes take tens or even hundreds of times longer. "The beauty here is that the quality of the data enabled us to make a measurement that gives us entirely new insight into the mechanism for this transformation," said Arianna Gleason, who led the experiment at SLAC's Linac Coherent Light Source (LCLS) X-ray laser, a DOE Office of Science User Facility. The work was published in the Sept. 4 issue of Nature Communications. "Figuring out how atoms rearrange themselves in this material is important, and to our great surprise, what we expected to be a slower process is really rapid," said Gleason, who was a postdoctoral researcher at SLAC and Stanford University at the time of the 2012 experiment and is now a postdoctoral fellow at Los Alamos National Laboratory. 'That was not known before. LCLS gave us access to this ultrashort timescale combined with the capability to generate a shockwave, which is unique." New Insight in Planetary, Materials Science The improved understanding gives researchers new insight about the basic properties of silica and other materials, and could ultimately lead to improved models of planetary formation and composition and new approaches for designing future materials with improved functionality, such as strength. In the LCLS experiment, researchers aimed two optical laser pulses at the same point on the silica samples. They used brilliant, ultrashort X-ray pulses produced by LCLS to explore the resulting shock effects on a timescale of femtoseconds and from an atom's-eye view. They varied the arrival time of the X-ray pulses to pinpoint the speed of the material's transformation. Researchers have since conducted follow-up experiments that explore other shock properties in this and other materials, including metals and semiconductors heavily used in industry. "We're really just scratching the surface of being able to visualize transformations during shock compression in real time via snapshots with LCLS, and in understanding the states of materials in the interior of our own planet and other planets,' said Gleason. Other scientists participating in the study were from Los Alamos National Laboratory, LCLS, the Stanford Institute for Materials and Energy Sciences (SIMES) at SLAC, Stanford, Washington State University, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, the Carnegie Institution of Washington and the Center for High Pressure Science and Technology Advanced Research in Shanghai. The work was supported by the DOE Office of Science, National Science Foundation, Mineralogical Society of America and the Laboratory Directed Research and Development program at Los Alamos Laboratory. Citation: A.E. Gleason, et al., Nature Communications, 4 September 2015 (10.1038/ncomms9191) For questions or comments, contact the SLAC Office of Communications at communicati...@slac.stanford.edu. SLAC is a multi-program laboratory exploring frontier questions in photon science, astrophysics, particle physics and accelerator research. Located in Menlo Park, Calif., SLAC is operated by Stanford University for the U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Science. SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory is supported by the Office of Science of the U.S. Department of Energy. The Office of Science is the single largest supporter of basic research in the physical sciences in the United States, and is working to address some of the most pressing challenges of our time. For more information, please visit science.energy.gov. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives
[meteorite-list] 1.2 Billion-Year-Old 'Meteorite Mineral' Found in Scotland (Reidite)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-34138266 1.2 billion-year-old 'meteorite mineral' found in Scotland BBC News September 3, 2015 The earliest known occurrence of one of Earth's rarest minerals has been found in Scotland, scientists have said. The 1.2 billion-year-old reidite was found in rock samples taken from the Stac Fada Member, a large geological area in the north west Highlands. Reidite is only known to form in nature during meteorite impact events. The discovery reinforces a theory that Stac Fada's geology was formed by material thrown out by a meteorite impact 1.2 billion years ago A team of Curtin University geoscientists working with the University of St Andrews made the find. They said the reidite found in a stone called zircon was more than double the age of the previous oldest known occurrence at 450 million years. It was found in samples taken from a layer of rock previously thought to have been created by volcanic activity but more recently linked to an ancient meteorite impact. The geology extends to about 31 miles (50km) from Stoer, north of Lochinver, to Poolewe. A crater from the meteorite impact has still to be found, though it may already have disappeared because of other geological processes. Pete Harrison, of the North West Highlands Geopark, described the new discovery as a "final piece" of evidence it was a meteorite. He said: "This looks like proof that the Stac Fada Member was caused by a meteorite impact 1.2 billion years ago. "It is amazing that this mineral has survived so long as it was formed at high pressure during the impact." The North West Highlands Geopark was established in 2004 and has just had confirmation that it will have its Unesco-recognised geopark designation revalidated for another four years. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.
Sonny asked and I see no reason not to provide the find data and location. Here are some images of my wife, Zann's first cold find in 2004. It still has not been recorded in the Metoeritical Bulletin after more than a decade even though the data was submitted multiple times! We needed to get permits from the BLM to search this area. It didn't cost anything but we had to make trip reports and provide a valid reason for being in the area. A copy of the permit needed to be posted in the vehicle window or else. There was also a MolyCorp radioactive material spill about a mile from this location on Ivanpah so we had to be careful not to hike into to. You can see the hole it came out of and the coordinates on the GPS in this image. http://themeteoritesite.com/Ivanpah/ZannsFinda.jpg Another view with a hotel card key for scale http://themeteoritesite.com/Ivanpah/ZannsFindb.jpg And finally, one more image in the hand. http://themeteoritesite.com/Ivanpah/ZannsFindc.jpg Happy Hunting, Adam - Original Message - From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. Hi Bob, Adam and List, This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." Still haven't received any offers Do you think that the scientists that are classifying these stones have been overwhelmed by the high number of stones coming from the same recovery area? Even when meteorites are found within a known area the finders often feel that they are different and are eager to have them classified. Many of the stones are obviously paired and it may not make financial sense for the scientists to spend time and resources on each individual stone. I do realize that their have been stones found that are uniquely different than others in the same dense collection area. I believe those should be classified without a doubt. What I am trying to decide at what point does classifying each tiny fragment become excessive? Maybe we should ask the Scientists that do the classifications what their opinion is. Stewart Valley 120 plus finds finds, Tungston Mountain 600 meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005. It was a fresh type 3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found. It was the very first meteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find. It would have been serial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lake bed finds interfered with the classification data being published in the Bulletin. I no longer submit U.S. finds for classification. I prefer to keep personally found meteorites whole and intact. Why cut a personal find when the odds of it being published are slim, even with the data submitted by a Nom Com recognized scientist? Mine stay in a box so that I can enjoy the memories of the hunt at a later date. Adam Hi Adam, I don't know your situation on the issue of embargoing dry lake beds or collection areas. Regarding Zann's find were there any previous finds made at that lake bed? If so, I feel the original finder should get the credit and the first number. The subsequent finds should be issued numbers in order of their find date. The only case that a find should get a new number is if it was a new area with no previous meteorite finds. Many of the lake beds have been hunted for years with great success. There were hundreds of field hours put in, recording of data, etc. I had a similar issue when a meteorite was found in an area that I had been working. I had hundreds of hours involved, stones classified, provisional numbers, etc. Another stone was found by a hunter and he attempted to have his find assigned #1. Both the finder and the scientist doing his classification knew my history with this area and the many finds made. They still attempted to get the number changed. When they were unsuccessful they tried to change the name of that find. It was clearly paired with finds from the area. It is amazing that someone would attempt this. Sonny -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 9:42 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005. It was a fresh type3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found. It was the very firstmeteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find. It would have beenserial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lakebed finds interfered with the classification data being published in theBulleti
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.
Hi Carl, What ever happened with your Cat Mountain meteorite? Here Kitty Kitty! Sonny -Original Message- From: Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list To: bigjohnshea ; Larry Atkins ; Robert Verish Cc: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. List, A word of warning; if you are in the Vegas area DO NOT let it leave yourhands or chances are you will never see it again anyway . Justsayin!Carl--Love & Life Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: > No Larry, > There actually is aproblem. > John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even held until Ipersonally learned of this recent trend. > This is a concern that others haveshared with me, and has prompted me to write on this subject in three >separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondritesthat need to be classified." > Still haven't received any offers. > > Myrequest still stands. > I would like to hear from people with recent experiencein this area that can point me in the direction of > a cheap classifier thatstill accepts small, ordinary chondrites. > I suspect when I find one it willbe outside the US. > > Bob V.> >> On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins viaMeteorite-list wrote:> > Subject: Re:[meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.> To:bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Cc:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 5:28AM> > Hi John, List,> > You may be right about not having a problemgetting a US chondrite classified, however, > if it was found in the Mojavedesert it is likely to get a number instead of a name.> Unfortunately, Nom Comwill likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, > > I'm wondering how muchlonger it will be before the entire Mojave desert is one big> DCA like NWA?> > > > Sincerely,> Larry Atkins> > IMCA # 1941> Ebay alienrockfarm> > > > -Original> Message-> From:Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list > To:mstreman53 > Cc: Meteorite Mailing List> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.> > > I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so Iwon't be> seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from> your postthat this is a"chondrite" native to the> USA, and not just another NWA. I haveabout 25> NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more> I'd like toget classified but itis indeed hard to find> a lab that will work on NWAs thatlook like obvious OCs. I> think that is a mistake on their part, because thereare so> many uniquethings to be found in meteorites. > In my opinion, manylabs would thinkdifferently about a> "native" US chondrite, than an NWAchondrite. I> do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if> it is a USA find. Cheers,John > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list"> To: "Meteorite> MailingList"Subject: [meteorite-list]> Local toLasVegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in> contact with a Las Vegasresidentwho has, by all appearances> fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewillingand able to> inspect in person and get her stone into the system,> pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics> onrequest.Regards,Elton> __> >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and theArchives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailinglist> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visitour Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.
Hi Bob, Adam and List, >This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to >write on this subject in three >separate articles, which essentially said, >"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." >Still haven't >received any offers Do you think that the scientists that are classifying these stones have been overwhelmed by the high number of stones coming from the same recovery area? Even when meteorites are found within a known area the finders often feel that they are different and are eager to have them classified. Many of the stones are obviously paired and it may not make financial sense for the scientists to spend time and resources on each individual stone. I do realize that their have been stones found that are uniquely different than others in the same dense collection area. I believe those should be classified without a doubt. What I am trying to decide at what point does classifying each tiny fragment become excessive? Maybe we should ask the Scientists that do the classifications what their opinion is. Stewart Valley 120 plus finds finds, Tungston Mountain 600 meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites >I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005. It was a fresh >type >3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found. It was the very first >meteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find. It would have been >serial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lake >bed finds interfered with the classification data being published in the >Bulletin. >I no longer submit U.S. finds for classification. I prefer to >keep >personally found meteorites whole and intact. Why cut a personal find >when >the odds of it being published are slim, even with the data submitted by >a >Nom Com recognized scientist? Mine stay in a box so that I can enjoy the >memories of the hunt at a later date. >Adam Hi Adam, I don't know your situation on the issue of embargoing dry lake beds or collection areas. Regarding Zann's find were there any previous finds made at that lake bed? If so, I feel the original finder should get the credit and the first number. The subsequent finds should be issued numbers in order of their find date. The only case that a find should get a new number is if it was a new area with no previous meteorite finds. Many of the lake beds have been hunted for years with great success. There were hundreds of field hours put in, recording of data, etc. I had a similar issue when a meteorite was found in an area that I had been working. I had hundreds of hours involved, stones classified, provisional numbers, etc. Another stone was found by a hunter and he attempted to have his find assigned #1. Both the finder and the scientist doing his classification knew my history with this area and the many finds made. They still attempted to get the number changed. When they were unsuccessful they tried to change the name of that find. It was clearly paired with finds from the area. It is amazing that someone would attempt this. Sonny -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 9:42 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005. It was a fresh type3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found. It was the very firstmeteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find. It would have beenserial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lakebed finds interfered with the classification data being published in theBulletin.I no longer submit U.S. finds for classification. I prefer tokeep personally found meteorites whole and intact. Why cut a personal findwhen the odds of it being published are slim, even with the data submitted bya Nom Com recognized scientist? Mine stay in a box so that I can enjoy thememories of the hunt at a later date.Adam- Original Message- From: "Robert Verish via Meteorite-list"To: ;; "Larry Atkins" Cc:Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:15AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiewafind.No Larry,There actually is a problem.John's "opinion" is acommon misconception that I even held until I personally learned of thisrecent trend.This is a concern that others have shared with me, and hasprompted me to write on this subject in threeseparate articles, whichessentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to beclassified."Still haven't received any offers.My request still stands.Iwould like to hear from people with recent experience in this area that canpoint me in the direction ofa cheap classifier that still accepts small,ordinary chondrites.I suspect when I find one it will be outside
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.
List, A word of warning; if you are in the Vegas area DO NOT let it leave your hands or chances are you will never see it again anyway . Just sayin! Carl -- Love & Life Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: > No Larry, > There actually is a problem. > John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even held until I > personally learned of this recent trend. > This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to > write on this subject in three > separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites > that need to be classified." > Still haven't received any offers. > > My request still stands. > I would like to hear from people with recent experience in this area that can > point me in the direction of > a cheap classifier that still accepts small, ordinary chondrites. > I suspect when I find one it will be outside the US. > > Bob V. > > > On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a > find. > To: bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 5:28 AM > > Hi John, List, > > You may be right about not having a problem getting a US chondrite > classified, however, > if it was found in the Mojave desert it is likely to get a number instead of > a name. > Unfortunately, Nom Com will likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, > > I'm wondering how much longer it will be before the entire Mojave desert is > one big > DCA like NWA? > > > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > IMCA # 1941 > Ebay alienrockfarm > > > > -Original > Message- > From: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list > To: mstreman53 > Cc: Meteorite Mailing List > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a > find. > > > I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so I won't be > seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from > your post that this is a"chondrite" native to the > USA, and not just another NWA. I have about 25 > NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more > I'd like to get classified but itis indeed hard to find > a lab that will work on NWAs that look like obvious OCs. I > think that is a mistake on their part, because there are so > many uniquethings to be found in meteorites. > In my opinion, many labs would thinkdifferently about a > "native" US chondrite, than an NWA chondrite. I > do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if > it is a USA find. Cheers,John > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47 PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list" > To: "Meteorite > MailingList" Subject: [meteorite-list] > Local toLas Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in > contact with a Las Vegasresident who has, by all appearances > fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewilling and able to > inspect in person and get her stone into the system, > pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics > onrequest.Regards,Elton > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Museum, Atacama desert, Northern Chile
This Couple Built a Meteorite Museum in the Middle of the Desert—And It's Awesome by Jo Piazza, Yahoo News, Sept. 10, 2015 https://www.yahoo.com/travel/from-hobby-to-business-we-built-a-meteorite-128751142869.html Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.
I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005. It was a fresh type 3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found. It was the very first meteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find. It would have been serial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lake bed finds interfered with the classification data being published in the Bulletin. I no longer submit U.S. finds for classification. I prefer to keep personally found meteorites whole and intact. Why cut a personal find when the odds of it being published are slim, even with the data submitted by a Nom Com recognized scientist? Mine stay in a box so that I can enjoy the memories of the hunt at a later date. Adam - Original Message - From: "Robert Verish via Meteorite-list" To: ; ; "Larry Atkins" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. No Larry, There actually is a problem. John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even held until I personally learned of this recent trend. This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." Still haven't received any offers. My request still stands. I would like to hear from people with recent experience in this area that can point me in the direction of a cheap classifier that still accepts small, ordinary chondrites. I suspect when I find one it will be outside the US. Bob V. On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. To: bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 5:28 AM Hi John, List, You may be right about not having a problem getting a US chondrite classified, however, if it was found in the Mojave desert it is likely to get a number instead of a name. Unfortunately, Nom Com will likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, I'm wondering how much longer it will be before the entire Mojave desert is one big DCA like NWA? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list To: mstreman53 Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so I won't be seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from your post that this is a"chondrite" native to the USA, and not just another NWA. I have about 25 NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more I'd like to get classified but itis indeed hard to find a lab that will work on NWAs that look like obvious OCs. I think that is a mistake on their part, because there are so many uniquethings to be found in meteorites. In my opinion, many labs would thinkdifferently about a "native" US chondrite, than an NWA chondrite. I do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if it is a USA find. Cheers,John Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47 PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list" To: "Meteorite MailingList" Subject: [meteorite-list] Local toLas Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in contact with a Las Vegasresident who has, by all appearances fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewilling and able to inspect in person and get her stone into the system, pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics onrequest.Regards,Elton __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.
No Larry, There actually is a problem. John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even held until I personally learned of this recent trend. This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to write on this subject in three separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." Still haven't received any offers. My request still stands. I would like to hear from people with recent experience in this area that can point me in the direction of a cheap classifier that still accepts small, ordinary chondrites. I suspect when I find one it will be outside the US. Bob V. On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. To: bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 5:28 AM Hi John, List, You may be right about not having a problem getting a US chondrite classified, however, if it was found in the Mojave desert it is likely to get a number instead of a name. Unfortunately, Nom Com will likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, I'm wondering how much longer it will be before the entire Mojave desert is one big DCA like NWA? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list To: mstreman53 Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so I won't be seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from your post that this is a"chondrite" native to the USA, and not just another NWA. I have about 25 NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more I'd like to get classified but itis indeed hard to find a lab that will work on NWAs that look like obvious OCs. I think that is a mistake on their part, because there are so many uniquethings to be found in meteorites. In my opinion, many labs would thinkdifferently about a "native" US chondrite, than an NWA chondrite. I do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if it is a USA find. Cheers,John Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47 PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list" To: "Meteorite MailingList" Subject: [meteorite-list] Local toLas Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in contact with a Las Vegasresident who has, by all appearances fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewilling and able to inspect in person and get her stone into the system, pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics onrequest.Regards,Elton __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Fantastic Items Ending At Auction!
Dear List Members, I have some very interesting items ending at auction this evening with no reserve. I put up many great examples of NWA 5000 including a specimen that exhibits the "3D" look that helped make this lunar meteorite famous. In addition, I put up the controversial "oriented" gold nugget from Prescott, Arizona with a more detailed description along with several other solid gold nuggets from Nevada and Alaska. Also, you will find a grade 9 Clovis point that marked the end of a culture. It has been hypothesized than an impact from space wiped out the megafauna that the Clovis culture depended on. NWA 5000 Specimens: Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust http://r.ebay.com/eTUVRN Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .444 grams - NO RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/EQlSzR Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .530 grams - NO RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/R58YF1 Must See This NWA 5000 specimen exhibits the "3D" look that is mainly seen in much larger and thicker slices Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .956 grams - NO RESERVE - FANTASTIC http://r.ebay.com/PIT0Hx The Controversial 2/3 Troy Ounce "Oriented" Gold Nugget SOLID GOLD NUGGET OR MINER'S BUTTON OR RELIC - PRESCOTT ARIZONA - 20.48 GRAMS!!! http://r.ebay.com/aH9MU3 A Beautiful Clovis Point: AUTHENTIC PALEO CLOVIS POINT ARROWHEAD WITH COA - OHIO http://r.ebay.com/fM1d3p Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck, Adam Hupe Original And New Team LunarRock Member __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to Double Impact Craters Post
The age of the craters is given as 458 ma, not 470 ma. I misread the text. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Double Impact Crters Found In Sweden (~470 Ma)
Two Meteors Hit Ancient Earth at Same Time D News, by Elizabeth Palmero, LiveScience http://news.discovery.com/space/asteroids-meteors-meteorites/two-meteors-hit-ancient-earth-at-same-time-150915.htm http://www.livescience.com/52154-ancient-meteors-struck-simultaneously.html Double crater identified in Sweden Eureka alert, University of Gothenburg, Sept. 11, 2015 http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-09/uog-gud091115.php http://www.gu.se/english/about_the_university/news-calendar/News_detail//globally-unique-double-crater-identified-in-sweden.cid1317063 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.
Hi John, List, You may be right about not having a problem getting a US chondrite classified, however, if it was found in the Mohave desert it is likely to get a number instead of a name. Unfortunately, Nom Com will likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, I'm wondering how much longer it will be before the entire Mohave desert is one big DCA like NWA? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list To: mstreman53 Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so I won't be seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from your post that this is a"chondrite" native to the USA, and not just another NWA. I have about 25 NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more I'd like to get classified but itis indeed hard to find a lab that will work on NWAs that look like obvious OCs. I think that is a mistake on their part, because there are so many uniquethings to be found in meteorites. In my opinion, many labs would thinkdifferently about a "native" US chondrite, than an NWA chondrite. I do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if it is a USA find. Cheers,John Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47 PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list" To: "Meteorite MailingList" Subject: [meteorite-list] Local toLas Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in contact with a Las Vegasresident who has, by all appearances fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewilling and able to inspect in person and get her stone into the system, pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics onrequest.Regards,Elton__Visitour Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.com[http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com]Meteorite-listmailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list[https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list]__Visitour Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.
I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so I won't be seeing this in person. :-) That aside, I'm assuming from your post that this is a "chondrite" native to the USA, and not just another NWA. I have about 25 NWA's undergoing classification now, and I have more I'd like to get classified but it is indeed hard to find a lab that will work on NWAs that look like obvious OCs. I think that is a mistake on their part, because there are so many unique things to be found in meteorites. In my opinion, many labs would think differently about a "native" US chondrite, than an NWA chondrite. I do not think you will have trouble finding a home for it if it is a USA find. Cheers, John Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47 PM From: "MEM via Meteorite-list" To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Subject: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. I am in contact with a Las Vegas resident who has, by all appearances fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you are willing and able to inspect in person and get her stone into the system, please send me your contact information for forwarding. Pics on request. Regards, Elton __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com[http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com] Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list[https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list] __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Send me a photo too
Nothing to gain if you don't risk it - that's why Bob is king :) almitt2--- via Meteorite-list schrieb am 13:25 Dienstag, 15.September 2015: > > >Hi list and Bob, > >I don't know if I would take a gamble on that or not. :-) > >--AL Mitterling > >Quoting Robert Haag via Meteorite-list : > >> I need an excuse to go to. Las Vegas >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and >> the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Send me a photo too
Hi list and Bob, I don't know if I would take a gamble on that or not. :-) --AL Mitterling Quoting Robert Haag via Meteorite-list : I need an excuse to go to. Las Vegas Sent from my iPhone __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Benguerir Contributed by: Gregor Hoeher http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=09/15/2015 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
