[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 8529

Contributed by: Ray Watts

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=01/20/2016
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Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.

[Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list]

I've read and scrolled 'torturously' through those 'Intergalactic 
Rants'. WTF

Get a life Keyboard Warriors...

Seriously, Get one ... ---...

Best Regards,
Me


-Original Message- 
From: ian macleod via Meteorite-list

Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 11:20 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.

Hi Rob and list,


Rob, I agree 100% allowing private individuals to hunt and be rewarded is 
the most efficient and cost effective means to recover meteorites so far. 
This has worked perfectly in many countries for years even in Australia 
before the late 1980's. However times are changing and so is technology. In 
geopolitical stable countries where large networks are setup this may 
actually eliminate the need for private hunters all together..that is for 
new falls (the ones scientists and dealers are a mainly concerned with these 
days). In America private hunters maybe utilised and rewarded still to 
recover falls detected (conflict of interest). In Australia it might be a 
little slower to get out in the field in some cases. However but when they 
do go and find the stone it wont be cut into 1000 tiny bits to be sold off. 
Some say there is no issue with slice and dicing. For myself I think its a 
bit sad when a fall with a very small TKW is sliced up and sent off to the 
four winds and researchers have to pay hundreds or thousands for tiny 
pieces..



I don't expect anytime soon for NWA to dry up or for the market to stop 
(though its extremely slow for most small and mid level dealers).



You replied to my comments on orbit data and solar system mapping >


Well, we got all of that on both Sutter's Mill and Creston, in spite of the 
problems
of private land ownership and considerably harder searching conditions than 
the
almost ideal surfaces of the Australian outback. So both systems can work. I 
just
think the current U.S. laws favour a higher success rate than in Australia 
because

they (at least currently) provide enough incentive to boost the people-hours
that get devoted to each fall.


- Forgive me if I am wrong, I have not yet seen any orbit data for either of 
these falls, just radar data etc namely how ground based technology was used 
very well to find the fall location.


The cameras developed by Curtin are an extremely powerful tool in large 
numbers they make this massive machine that is very very accurate and can be 
used to calculate accurately where a meteorite originated from. Its awesome 
how powerful this tech is!



Also NOMCOM has divided up the fall system into 5 categories just because of 
the may or maybe nots on fall confirmation. Even now when the hunters in NWA 
Africa find a stone that's fresh looking 'it was witnessed' and the price is 
so huge no one wants to even buy it. Do we really know it was witnessed? 
maybe it was maybe it was not..Its something being witnessed even 
scientifically valuable, or is 'witnessed with trajectory recorded' more 
important? I go with trajectory recorded.



So for me its simple, many institutions wont be able to keep up with the 
ridiculous pricing on meteorites, neither can collectors ( who seem to be 
dropping in numbers also) so lets change the game a little.



What is being done:-


Australians are being encouraged to be citizen scientists via the work of 
Curtin and others, apps and even all sky kits will be released.



Schools are having these systems installed in remote communities and many 
people are becoming involved. A real community effort, kids are learning 
directly and helping



private individuals will help to search in some cases


So I could by one or more all sky cam's and contribute in a massive way and 
learn other skills sets or just keep pumping huge amounts of cash into a 
never ending collection I wont be able to take into the next life.


sorry for upsetting my dealer mates


So for me the next stage of the evolution in meteoritics is all sky tech, 
natural progression.



After 5 years of seeing many people really only getting excited when there 
is a new fall, who's selling, or if their 'rights' are being taken away, or 
how much money can be made, ka ching. Even little science being discussed on 
the list by most, just how do I own some or I am selling some. Im not 
against buying or seling but wow!



More money talk/adds occurs in meteoritics  than any other hobby/science 
field I can think of



fossil or bobble head collecting isn't even this bad


I am sorta over it


so this is why I am for a change, even just personally in my walk or how I 
can contribute


Cheers mate

Ian






























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[meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.

[ian macleod via Meteorite-list]

Hi Rob and list, 


Rob, I agree 100% allowing private individuals to hunt and be rewarded is the 
most efficient and cost effective means to recover meteorites so far. This has 
worked perfectly in many countries for years even in Australia before the late 
1980's. However times are changing and so is technology. In geopolitical stable 
countries where large networks are setup this may actually eliminate the need 
for private hunters all together..that is for new falls (the ones scientists 
and dealers are a mainly concerned with these days). In America private hunters 
maybe utilised and rewarded still to recover falls detected (conflict of 
interest). In Australia it might be a little slower to get out in the field in 
some cases. However but when they do go and find the stone it wont be cut into 
1000 tiny bits to be sold off. Some say there is no issue with slice and 
dicing. For myself I think its a bit sad when a fall with a very small TKW is 
sliced up and sent off to the four winds and researchers have to pay hundreds 
or thousands for tiny pieces..


I don't expect anytime soon for NWA to dry up or for the market to stop (though 
its extremely slow for most small and mid level dealers). 


You replied to my comments on orbit data and solar system mapping >


>Well, we got all of that on both Sutter's Mill and Creston, in spite of the 
>problems
 of private land ownership and considerably harder searching conditions than the
 almost ideal surfaces of the Australian outback. So both systems can work. I 
just
 think the current U.S. laws favour a higher success rate than in Australia 
because
 they (at least currently) provide enough incentive to boost the people-hours
 that get devoted to each fall.


- Forgive me if I am wrong, I have not yet seen any orbit data for either of 
these falls, just radar data etc namely how ground based technology was used 
very well to find the fall location. 

The cameras developed by Curtin are an extremely powerful tool in large numbers 
they make this massive machine that is very very accurate and can be used to 
calculate accurately where a meteorite originated from. Its awesome how 
powerful this tech is!


Also NOMCOM has divided up the fall system into 5 categories just because of 
the may or maybe nots on fall confirmation. Even now when the hunters in NWA 
Africa find a stone that's fresh looking 'it was witnessed' and the price is so 
huge no one wants to even buy it. Do we really know it was witnessed? maybe it 
was maybe it was not..Its something being witnessed even scientifically 
valuable, or is 'witnessed with trajectory recorded' more important? I go with 
trajectory recorded. 


So for me its simple, many institutions wont be able to keep up with the 
ridiculous pricing on meteorites, neither can collectors ( who seem to be 
dropping in numbers also) so lets change the game a little. 


What is being done:-


Australians are being encouraged to be citizen scientists via the work of 
Curtin and others, apps and even all sky kits will be released.


Schools are having these systems installed in remote communities and many 
people are becoming involved. A real community effort, kids are learning 
directly and helping


private individuals will help to search in some cases


So I could by one or more all sky cam's and contribute in a massive way and 
learn other skills sets or just keep pumping huge amounts of cash into a never 
ending collection I wont be able to take into the next life.

sorry for upsetting my dealer mates


So for me the next stage of the evolution in meteoritics is all sky tech, 
natural progression.


After 5 years of seeing many people really only getting excited when there is a 
new fall, who's selling, or if their 'rights' are being taken away, or how much 
money can be made, ka ching. Even little science being discussed on the list by 
most, just how do I own some or I am selling some. Im not against buying or 
seling but wow!


More money talk/adds occurs in meteoritics  than any other hobby/science field 
I can think of


fossil or bobble head collecting isn't even this bad


I am sorta over it


so this is why I am for a change, even just personally in my walk or how I can 
contribute

Cheers mate

Ian






























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Re: [meteorite-list] Star's Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a Century Old

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Hi, 

"Alien civilization still on the table"?
Somehow I doubt an advanced alien 
civilization would screw around with 
their own star. They might, if they 
were less than scrupulous, do it to 
somebody else's star. Or maybe they 
have found a way to continously 
extract energy from a nearby unused 
star over many centuries. You could 
call them "star eaters."

Once you pass over purely physical 
causes and move on to alien activity, 
almost anything is possible. There are 
physical explanations (some of them 
pretty exotic) for the behavior. Maybe 
this star swallowed a cloud of small 
black holes which orbit inside of it 
(or pass through it) and are slowly 
"eating" the star.

Since the behaviour has been obseved 
in only ONE star, it's could be very 
exotic (as exotic events are likely to 
be very rare). Now, if you find 
thousands more... that's a problem.

Sterling Webb
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From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:16 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Star's Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a Century
Old

Star's bizarre optical antics go back at least a century.
Alien civilization still on the table as data comes out of the archives. by
John Timmer, Ars Technica, Jan. 19, 2016
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/stars-bizarre-optical-antics-go-back-
at-least-a-century/

KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.013 Magnitudes Per Century
>From 1890 To 1989 by Bradley E. Schaefer (Submitted on 13 Jan 2016)
rXiv:1601.03256v1 [astro-ph.SR]  http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256

Yours,

Paul H.
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Hello List,

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> Jbilet Winselwan, CM2
> Bencubbinite (Bencubbin class) Quebrada Chimborazo 001 found by Luc Labenne
> Meteorite 0.85g from Monturaqui Crater, Chile. Iron Meteorite found by Luc 
>Labenne
> Tektite Atacamaite, 1.98g found by Luc Labenne
> Jbilet Winselwan 4.20g, carbonaceous chondrite CM2
> Enstatite Meteorite EH3, large 419g individual SAH97146, found by Luc Labenne
> Lherzolite NWA 10169 Martian Meteorite Lherzolitic Shergottite
> The Martian Meteorite NWA 10169
> Lovina Iron Meteorite...or not? Anyway a strange material!
> Meteorite Thin Section Lunar Meteorite Dhofar 1528 found by Luc Labenne
> Libyan Desert Glass 387g a meteorite-related collectible,
> Orgueil Meteorite 2.238g with crust! Carbonaceous Chondrite CI1, Ivuna 
> Angrite NWA 7203 Quenched angrite with variolitic texture 
> Patrimonio Chondrite L6 from Brazil
> Olivine Diogenite Meteorite NWA 5480
> Lherzolite NWA 10169 Martian Meteorite Lherzolitic Shergottite 
  
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[meteorite-list] Star’s Bizarre Optical Antics at Least a Century Old

[Paul via Meteorite-list]

Star’s bizarre optical antics go back at least a century.
Alien civilization still on the table as data comes out
of the archives. by John Timmer, Ars Technica, Jan. 19, 2016
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/stars-bizarre-optical-antics-go-back-at-least-a-century/

KIC 8462852 Faded at an Average Rate of 0.165+-0.013
Magnitudes Per Century From 1890 To 1989 by Bradley
E. Schaefer (Submitted on 13 Jan 2016) rXiv:1601.03256v1
[astro-ph.SR]  http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

I agree with what you said about the laws not being enforced but they are 
still on the books and most likely will never come off.  I have not been 
hassled recently and the last time was in the same period as Met-Men. 
Apparently the BLM thought meteorites were lying around like Easter eggs and 
people were becoming rich from them so they needed more laws to protect 
people from making any form of profit.  There is also no statue of 
limitations on federal laws so when somebody finds that North American 
Lunar, they can go back in time to bolster their case.



- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Atkins" 

To: ; 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.


Hi Adam,

What I said is true. Unenforced laws are meaningless. A warning or whatever. 
really doesn't add up to anything of substance, and without actual charges 
or at least a ticket, it's just words.


I'm guessing, only guessing, the incidents you mentioned happened during, or 
just after the peak of the" Met Men" series, when the BLM was on a mission 
to keep us from making all that 'easy money'. I'd bet those same officers 
watching eBay have tired of the activity and moved on to bigger fish long 
ago. Not much to get uptight about on eBay regarding American meteorites 
"poached" from state or federal land. It wouldn't take long for them to 
figure out that monitoring eBay is a nonstarter, not enough money to merit 
the effort. The crater is the exception but that's a whole other topic.


I spend a lot of time in the field, thousands of hours, and I have hard 
core meteorite hunting buddies pounding the ground for thousands of hours 
per year without incident. Every single officer I've come into contact with 
was aware of what I was doing and never once have I had an issue. Some day 
if we ever  get together we can share some stories.


As far as artifacts and fossils go you are correct, but only to a point. You 
can surface collect in most areas as far as I know. I can pick up fossils 
all day long, no one cares until I find 'Sue'. The same will hold true for 
meteorites, no one is gonna care until I recover the first North American 
Lunar.


The heat has cooled off. Relax,, Smile and go find some rocks bro. : )



Sincerely,
Larry Atkins

IMCA # 1941
Ebay alienrockfarm



-Original Message-
From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 


To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.

I wish what you said was true.  Our entire group was hassled around the
Pahrump area in Nevada and twice in California.  Eight of our team members
were threatened (warned) and I know others on the List who have been hassled
as well.  Two agents based out Barstow went as far as saying they know what
is being sold on eBay.  We were told that some public land is designated as
heritage or areas of areas of critical concern which are completely off
limits while metal detectors cannot be used in other areas.  I cannot find
any source which lists these areas so an agent can determine this in field
so be careful.  Just ask artifact and fossils hunters what happened with
their once-fine avocation including the fellow who found "Sue" the dinosaur.





- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Atkins" 

To: ; 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.


Hi Adam, All,

This may be true but it is very rarely if ever enforced, rendering the laws
meaningless. BLM got all excited a couple years ago but it came to nothing,
ask Michael Mulgrew how his application went. It's a joke. The people
enforcing the laws of our wild lands have better things to do than hassle
rock hounds. In my sixteen years of hunting and occasional selling I've
never heard of, or experienced trouble. In fact, I've encountered law
enforcement of all types while in the field, told them exactly what I was
doing, talked money and everything, and all they say is "Good luck! Have a
great day!"

Sell your rocks if you want, business as usual.



Sincerely,
Larry Atkins

IMCA # 1941
Ebay alienrockfarm



-Original Message-
From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list

To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Case study: Lake Eyre meteorite vs. U.S.

I agree with everything you stated with the exception of response 2 where
you state private citizens can profit from meteorite finds here in the
United States.  It is against federal and most state laws to use meteorites
found on public land for commercial purposes meaning that the finder is not
allowed to sell anything they find.  Private citizen are prohibited from
making a profit without a permit which will never be issued.



2) If private citizens were prohibited from profiting from the recovery of
meteorites,
would you expect a negative impact on the quantity of recovered material
from a
new fall? I th