Re: [meteorite-list] Hello From Joann
If you see a meteor that appears to strike the ground, it's probably over 100 miles away. Maybe much more. That's because they stop burning when they're a few tens of miles high. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 7/22/2016 11:44 AM, Joanne Barton via Meteorite-list wrote: Don,t know who to talk to ,In June Was Standing Outside Looking Up To The Sky ,While Waiting For A Friend Get Off Work ,At 8.30PM While looking up here coming down by me is a shooting star ,couldn,t believe it !!! Like slow motion the tail with white ,red ,blue ,in color went down while my friend came out told him and showed him where at between to building ,So he and I went out Saturday to look on the hill for it ,Robert said I need A metal detector ,I just want to know what showers was going on JUNE 29th or JULY 1st Do you know ?THANK YOU ! JOANN __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
Hi Joachim, You did not hear what I said. I said only that there were Innumerable reports re the unreliability of the postal service In Italy and there was a notorious person there that has many Times ripped off dealers in the US and who constantly changes His name and email address to effect such rip offs, avoid being Ousted from the meteorite list, etc. - and that the individual I Dealt with I would never deal with again. (Dean Bessey reported He had a disastrous experience with this same individual). Just because I will never sell to Italy again in no way means I think Italians are some group of untrustworthy individuals. It is Only two turkeys and a dysfunctional postal system that guides my Actions. Not some pitiful bigoted attitude! Remember, I live in a country where, God help us, a notorious Scam artist fascist with an outrageous narcissistic personality disorder Is liable to be seen as representative of our people! Best regards, Michael On 7/26/16 3:05 AM, "Meteorite List" wrote: > Hello, > > Italy has more than 60 Million people. Most are honest and kind. Maybe > you have problems getting money via a lawywer and a court but it is > the same when I sell something to the US ( or Japan or to the moon ) > To say not to sell something to italy is if I would say all New > Yorkers or Inhabitants of california are gangsters. Just check every > person, mail or phone but please do not generalize in such a way. > > Greetings from Germany ( where are also nice people, thick ones, thin > ones, idiots, intelligent people and all other kind of humang beings. ) > > > Joachim > Zitat von Michael Blood via Meteorite-list > : > >> Hi Doug, >> I am glad to hear your dealings with this individual have been >> Positive. I cannot say the same. However, after denying he refused >> To pay the shipment (this sounds like a refusal to me: >> >> " So I must pay 110$ for shipment... More other 150 or more for Italian >> custom with fedex.. >> No is impossible pay so much for Henbury. >> Sorry >> Davide" ) >> >> he finally did send me almost all the remainder of the shipping >> cost. >> I still will never sell anything to anyone in Italy again due to all >> the reports on their postal system and on individuals, including this >> One (see Bessey post). >> Again, happy your dealings have been more positive. >> Michael >> >> On 7/24/16 4:28 PM, "MexicoDoug" wrote: >> >>> Thanks Captain B, >>> >>> As we say, "A bad negotiation is better than a good fight." >>> >>> 99% your customer is not the one you thought. That suspicion is >>> hurting you. >>> You can Google the customer and find out one by his name has done a >>> couple of >>> exhibitions for Emilia-Romagna, lectures and belongs to a local astronomical >>> society, gives advice on meteorites even including one case where >>> there was a >>> shipping question in which his reply was to work with the Seller to resolve >>> it. Try one more time, maybe a show of goodwill above and beyond what is >>> required offer to split the $60, and do it face to face by calling >>> dado_sanna >>> on Skype ... >>> >>> Next time just collect shipping costs up front ... rather than exposing >>> yourself. I feel for your customer's situation, having been in a >>> similar one >>> for many years because of the unfortunate state of the local postal service >>> and the rampant corruption and pilfering throughout the system. I hope you >>> will reconsider supporting our enthusiastic Italian (Brasilian, Russian and >>> Mexican) friends so as to do a part in giving them access to reputable >>> meteorite sellers. >>> >>> Although your customer's expectations were misplaced, it is still a case of >>> misunderstanding that could have been prevented - even if that >>> meant two trips >>> to FedEx if it was too difficult to calculate the shipping cost yourself. >>> >>> In the case of Italy, ask if they can cough up a shipping address to a >>> different EU nation to initially receive the shipment and from >>> where they can >>> be responsible to reship to the Italian address. The situation is far less >>> problematic if the parcel arriving in Italy originates in the current >>> Eurozone, vs. the US and Canada which at this moment happen to be >>> outside the >>> walls surrounding Byzantium. It will likely get their much faster >>> too, so it >>> can benefit them. >>> >>> While this may not make sense to many people who take for granted less >>> problematical postal services, or don't care about the little saintly >>> collector, speaking from personal experience and cravings, >>> sometimes there are >>> specimens that are "must have" and being told "NO! I don't ship to >>> X" can be >>> a huge depressant. >>> >>> If the collector is conscientious about their situation, they can >>> just adjust >>> their purchases accordingly and save up for the moments that are truly >>> special, and better yet, get a helping
Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
Well Joachim yes one would normally use common sense and agree with you. When I stopped sending to Italy 7 or 8 or so years ago I kept track and had 7 of the previous 10 packages to Italy lost in the mail and had to deal with a paypal chargeback (And some negative feedbacks on ebay). I figured that 7 of ten cancelled out the benefit of lost sales so I stopped shipping to Italy. I never sent another package to Italy until about two years ago when this Davide Urbinati person emailed me wondering why I don't send to Italy and that it as safe to send him stuff. I agreed to the sale and sent him the $300 worth of Bensour via Registered mail with a tracking number. At the same time I thought "This is silly - blocking all those potential Italian customers from bidding because of a few losses in the mail 5 or 10 years ago. So I unblocked all of Italy and let Italians buy from me again. Over the next several months (Plus Davide Urbinati's theft of my Bensour) three of the four packages that I sent to Italy resulted in a paypal chargeback. And not one of them sent me an email before filing the chargeback with paypal. Like shopping mall owners having to deal with shoplifting you generally just write it off as paypal always refunds the money so I again just blocked Italy from my auctions. Normally I get maybe 3 or 4 chargebacks a year and I sell thousands of items a year on ebay. So even now I no longer accept bids from people in Italy. This theft of the $300 worth of Bensour is memorable and a bit of a sore point with me because its the largest ever loss through a paypal chargeback that I have ever had and it was after I made a decision to never send stuff to Italy again. I almost blame Davide Urbinati for the following three losses from ebay sales not related to him for the following 3 ebay chargebacks to other Italy bidders. So yes your comment that "Italy has more than 60 Million people. Most are honest and kind." should be correct (I really loved Italy the couple times that I have been there and so want to go back) but there is a statistically significant issue with sending mail to Italy. You will find that its not just me but many ebay sellers wont send stuff to Italy so I am not the only ebay seller with an unusual amount of problems with mail to Italy. The only thing that I can figure is that there must be a bunch of mafia gangs preying on mail sellers as I have a very hard time believing that the Italian post office is that bad and loses such a huge amount of mail. I don't know why so many mailed packages to Italy results in losses but for some reason they do. But for now I don't generally send mail to Italy. Sincerely dean On Tue, 26/7/16, joachim via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Received: Tuesday, 26 July, 2016, 8:05 PM Hello, Italy has more than 60 Million people. Most are honest and kind. Maybe you have problems getting money via a lawywer and a court but it is the same when I sell something to the US ( or Japan or to the moon ) To say not to sell something to italy is if I would say all New Yorkers or Inhabitants of california are gangsters. Just check every person, mail or phone but please do not generalize in such a way. Greetings from Germany ( where are also nice people, thick ones, thin ones, idiots, intelligent people and all other kind of humang beings. ) Joachim Zitat von Michael Blood via Meteorite-list : > Hi Doug, > I am glad to hear your dealings with this individual have been > Positive. I cannot say the same. However, after denying he refused > To pay the shipment (this sounds like a refusal to me: > > " So I must pay 110$ for shipment... More other 150 or more for Italian > custom with fedex.. > No is impossible pay so much for Henbury. > Sorry > Davide" ) > > he finally did send me almost all the remainder of the shipping > cost. > I still will never sell anything to anyone in Italy again due to all > the reports on their postal system and on individuals, including this > One (see Bessey post). > Again, happy your dealings have been more positive. > Michael > > On 7/24/16 4:28 PM, "MexicoDoug" wrote: > >> Thanks Captain B, >> >> As we say, "A bad negotiation is better than a good fight." >> >> 99% your customer is not the one you thought. That suspicion is >> hurting you. >> You can Google the customer and find out one by his name has done a >> couple of >> exhibitions for Emilia-Romagna, lectures and belongs to a local astronomical >> society, gives advice on meteorites even including one case where >> there was a >> shipping question in which his reply was to work with the Seller to resolve >> it. Try one more time, maybe a show of goodwill above and be
[meteorite-list] Hello From Joann
Don,t know who to talk to ,In June Was Standing Outside Looking Up To The Sky ,While Waiting For A Friend Get Off Work ,At 8.30PM While looking up here coming down by me is a shooting star ,couldn,t believe it !!! Like slow motion the tail with white ,red ,blue ,in color went down while my friend came out told him and showed him where at between to building ,So he and I went out Saturday to look on the hill for it ,Robert said I need A metal detector ,I just want to know what showers was going on JUNE 29th or JULY 1st Do you know ?THANK YOU ! JOANN__ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mount Blanco meteorite full slice-ad
Hello List, I have a full slice of Mount Blanco the most recent Texas meteorite fall for sale. Only one 36.2 gram stone was found. I acquired the complete 20 gram mass made available after allocations were made for classification and scientists. After distribution to universities and the main mass going into a private collection there was only 4 specimens available to the public. I have one remaining specimen for sale which is the only full slice. It measures 27.85 x 22.2 x 1.7 mm and weighs 2.4 grams. Acquisition cost was extremely high due to the low total weight. If interested contact me off list for price and photos. Best regards Bob C. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test
Just testing to see if this goes through. My other posts seem to be hung up. Kind Regards, Adam __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ten NWA 5000 Specimens Up For Auction
Dear List Members, I have a total of ten NWA 5000 lunar meteorite, no reserve actions, ending tonight and tomorrow night. Be sure to check them out, especially the 1.096 gram specimen! Buy from the original source. Link to all auctions: http://www.ebay.com/sch/merchant/ancientechoesartifacts NWA 5000 Lunar Specimens - NO RESERVE - ENDING THIS EVENING - MUST SEE: Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .548 grams - GREAT GABBRO TILE! http://r.ebay.com/ECw93V Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .494 grams - NEAT BRECCIA! http://r.ebay.com/wDyGDb Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .480 grams - WHITE OUT! http://r.ebay.com/YOXQR9 Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .438 grams - STRANGE GREEN CIRCULAR CLAST! http://r.ebay.com/bHfhao Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .272 grams - SMALL BLACK MELT CLAST! http://r.ebay.com/1v0Wki Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust http://r.ebay.com/dpnlSC MORE NWA 5000 Lunar Specimens - NO RESERVE - ENDING TOMORROW NIGHT - MUST SEE: Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.096 grams - OVER A GRAM - NO RESERVE!!! http://r.ebay.com/6t6TSr Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .514 grams - BEAUTIFUL BRECCIA!!! http://r.ebay.com/Ypzw07 Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .350 grams - LOT! http://r.ebay.com/4Cidsm Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust - NO RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/9z5eUB Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, I wish you the best of luck, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy
Hello, Italy has more than 60 Million people. Most are honest and kind. Maybe you have problems getting money via a lawywer and a court but it is the same when I sell something to the US ( or Japan or to the moon ) To say not to sell something to italy is if I would say all New Yorkers or Inhabitants of california are gangsters. Just check every person, mail or phone but please do not generalize in such a way. Greetings from Germany ( where are also nice people, thick ones, thin ones, idiots, intelligent people and all other kind of humang beings. ) Joachim Zitat von Michael Blood via Meteorite-list : Hi Doug, I am glad to hear your dealings with this individual have been Positive. I cannot say the same. However, after denying he refused To pay the shipment (this sounds like a refusal to me: " So I must pay 110$ for shipment... More other 150 or more for Italian custom with fedex.. No is impossible pay so much for Henbury. Sorry Davide" ) he finally did send me almost all the remainder of the shipping cost. I still will never sell anything to anyone in Italy again due to all the reports on their postal system and on individuals, including this One (see Bessey post). Again, happy your dealings have been more positive. Michael On 7/24/16 4:28 PM, "MexicoDoug" wrote: Thanks Captain B, As we say, "A bad negotiation is better than a good fight." 99% your customer is not the one you thought. That suspicion is hurting you. You can Google the customer and find out one by his name has done a couple of exhibitions for Emilia-Romagna, lectures and belongs to a local astronomical society, gives advice on meteorites even including one case where there was a shipping question in which his reply was to work with the Seller to resolve it. Try one more time, maybe a show of goodwill above and beyond what is required offer to split the $60, and do it face to face by calling dado_sanna on Skype ... Next time just collect shipping costs up front ... rather than exposing yourself. I feel for your customer's situation, having been in a similar one for many years because of the unfortunate state of the local postal service and the rampant corruption and pilfering throughout the system. I hope you will reconsider supporting our enthusiastic Italian (Brasilian, Russian and Mexican) friends so as to do a part in giving them access to reputable meteorite sellers. Although your customer's expectations were misplaced, it is still a case of misunderstanding that could have been prevented - even if that meant two trips to FedEx if it was too difficult to calculate the shipping cost yourself. In the case of Italy, ask if they can cough up a shipping address to a different EU nation to initially receive the shipment and from where they can be responsible to reship to the Italian address. The situation is far less problematic if the parcel arriving in Italy originates in the current Eurozone, vs. the US and Canada which at this moment happen to be outside the walls surrounding Byzantium. It will likely get their much faster too, so it can benefit them. While this may not make sense to many people who take for granted less problematical postal services, or don't care about the little saintly collector, speaking from personal experience and cravings, sometimes there are specimens that are "must have" and being told "NO! I don't ship to X" can be a huge depressant. If the collector is conscientious about their situation, they can just adjust their purchases accordingly and save up for the moments that are truly special, and better yet, get a helping hand from other sympathetic European collectors. I responded to this thread because too often I had the "We don't ship to X", door slammed in my face. It never happened with meteorites but was a problem with larger companies. You did a nice thing, btw, and I don't think you will end up burnt in the end since the collector had a misunderstanding and I am sure he will want to correct it in a positive manner. As for Italy, firm cash up front, insurance (U-pic or InsurePost), and check registered FC mail rules on commercial sales to see what's permitted and what's not ... Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Blood To: MexicoDoug ; Meteorite List Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2016 2:31 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Another warning re sales to Italy Hi Doug, Thanks for the kind words. However, I have saved all The emails and believe me, there was absolutely no confusion Re shipping - -clarified clearly (twice) that if Fed EX were less than $50 I would refund him the difference and if it were more than $50 he would have to agree to paypal me the difference. He stated I should not have put the "real value" on the shipment - AFTER I had sent it - When Fed Ex turned out to be more, then He complained he would have to pay the import fee and wouldn'
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Bensour Contributed by: Paul Swartz http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=07/26/2016 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
