Re: [meteorite-list] Dong UJIMQIN qi and fukang
Steve! You've really got to pay attention. The Fukang pallasite weighed ~1000kg, not 900kg, not 1400kg and not 2100kg. We've already been over where it is now located the last time you asked, so please look back through the list archives to answer that question. "Dong UJIMQIN qi" is a mesosiderite. We were recently offered over 3 kilos of it, which we declined, so I would bet more is on its way, and it may make it to Tucson. As a consideration to list members could you please do not keep asking the same questions over and over and again, ok? Thanks so much & see you in Tucson! -John --- "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi list.I think I got the dong right this time.There > must be more than 900 > kilo's of the fukang pallasite,with reports of > stones totalling 700 and > 1400 kilo's.To me that equals 2100 kilo's.So then > where is all of it?With > reports at munich several kilo's were spotted,the > main mass is at ASU, and > some here and there through out the world.For > something that was found > last year,there is alot of it,but it seems that no > one knows where it all > resides.I just hope some resides in tucson.Also what > about DONG UJIMQIN > QI?The only place I ever see any is from mike farmer > on ebay.I hear that > it is a really nice pallasite.Is there going to be > any in tucson?These 2 > are just really neat sounding meteorite > names.Anymore thoughts on this > enique thread? > > > steve arnold,chicago > > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > > > Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! > > > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. > http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone
Hi Adam, that is an interesting question. It is interesting because Chinese meteorites have been exported from China for decades if not hundreds of years. Chinese meteorites have been at all of the gem and mineral shows across this country for decades. In fact, I would go as far as to bet that every list member has a Chinese meteorite or two in their collection. How many do you have in your collection Adam? I'm curious as to the motive for your sudden "interest" in Chinese meteorites. The information that we have received from reliable sources in China that there aren't any regulations governing the export of meteorites from China period. Fossils yes, meteorites no. Of course this may change in the future, and we have heard from a source in China that some efforts are being made by a few to try to start regulating meteorites as well. I suspect that your "information" is incorrect. Of course, if you could provide the list with a written copy of this "specific" legislation that you are referring to, I'm sure that we could get it translated into english within a day or two, and we could all see for ourselves. We would all learn something if you would do that for us. In the absence of that though, it is difficult to envision why China would have a specific "law" to regulate the export of Rusty Nantans, which are basically the only meteorite that would be exported from China. The fact that all of the gem and mineral shows are full of Chinese meteorites tends to suggest that there is no such law. I find it a bit odd that you'd claim to be interested in exporting meteorites from China as there really hasn't been much to export from China with the exception of rusty old Nantans. Is that what you were going to export? Of course there were the five or six rare Chinese meteorites such as those on Mike Farmer's website, but these are rare, and would be unavialable to you. Which Chinese meteorites were you planning on exporting Adam? We find the amount of b.s. being posted about fukang is quite interesting. I guess it must be just be jealousy on the part of the dealers that tried unsucessfully to purchase it from the finder. I guess they figure if they couldn't get it then they would try to malign it in an attempt to devalue it. We of course lost out too, but we can't fathom the extreme enmity that has been directed towards the people that ended up puchasing that meteorite-it is really quite sad. Adam, you seem to have an inordinate amount of interest in fukang. Just out of curiosity, were you one of those individuals that tried unsucessfully to purchase it? We know of several other list members that tried unsucessfully, and now seem to be suffering from the sour grape syndrome. Are you also interested in Sikhote? I notice that you are selling quite a few Sikhotes. Are you also curious about export regulations for them too? Cheers -John --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I only asked because China has specific laws prohibiting the export of meteorites and fossils. A company I work for was interested in bringing them out legally but China has a no-deal policy, even if you represent a museum. No paperwork other than an invoice, a declaration and a waybill is required from Morocco although a well know dealer from Europe tried to change all of this a few years back. He only ended up screwing himself in the long run. I ask again, how was a meteorite legally exported from China who has specific laws against such actions? Adam > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone
Hi Adam. It seems you evaded the majority of the questions that were put to you. If you do have some actual evidence to back up your claim that there is some new Chinese "meteorite" law, then please share it with us and the rest of the list members. We asked you about the Sikhotes that you are selling. Aren't you interested in the export laws governing them? As for why fukang is supposedly "not being promoted", what are you talking about? Maybe you're Rip Van Hupe and have been asleep for the last hundred years or so, but just to bring you up to speed, we purchased a small amount which we have been selling on ebay and our website for over a year. We also have made a number of announcements to this list advertizing it, and I would think that you might have seen them? As I recall, a very large slice was recently offer by a major auction house, Butterfields, did you miss out on that? Perhaps you missed out on the fact that it was being sold all over the World at all of the major shows including Tucson, Denver, Munich and Tokyo? It has been said that the majority of it is not going to be for sale-that was another meteorite list posting, miss that one? We don't know the owners of the mass that is for sale, but I'm guessing that they may not want to sell it on ebay, and may have their sights set on a more affluent clientele. For all I know, they may be taking out full page ads in Conde nast, have you checked it out lately Adam? Personally, if it were me, I'd hire Geoff Notkin, as he certainly did a great job with Brenham. Now Adam can you please back up your claim or shall we just drop it and go back to sleep? Thanks -John --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John and List Members, > > First of all, this is the very first time I have > talked about Fukang > publicly. If you read the string, you will see that > another List member > brought it up first. I have no interest at all in > Chinese meteorites. I do > not own a single meteorite from China nor have I > ever sold one. My interest > lies in legal fossils, minerals and meteorites. I > have a contract with a > startup company whom asks questions first and then > purchases later. After > investigating Chinese natural history goods we > decided to stay away from > them because, for the most part, they are considered > black market (illegal) > by legitimate concerns who will not touch them. > What good is a product that > is considered illegal by institutions and museums? > > You may want to tell the rest of the List why this > is so. Why is it that the > world's largest pallasite, supposedly as beautiful > as Esquel is not being > highly promoted by anybody who has any of it? Could > it be a problem? > > The curious want to know, > > Adam > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:35 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone > > > > Hi Adam, that is an interesting question. It is > > interesting because Chinese meteorites have been > > exported from China for decades if not hundreds of > > years. Chinese meteorites have been at all of the > gem > > and mineral shows across this country for decades. > In > > fact, I would go as far as to bet that every list > > member has a Chinese meteorite or two in their > > collection. How many do you have in your > collection > > Adam? I'm curious as to the motive for your sudden > > "interest" in Chinese meteorites. The information > that > > we have received from reliable sources in China > that > > there aren't any regulations governing the export > of > > meteorites from China period. Fossils yes, > meteorites > > no. Of course this may change in the future, and > we > > have heard from a source in China that some > efforts > > are being made by a few to try to start regulating > > meteorites as well. I suspect that your > "information" > > is incorrect. Of course, if you could provide the > list > > with a written copy of this "specific" legislation > > that you are referring to, I'm sure that we could > get > > it translated into english within a day or two, > and we > > could all see for ourselves. We would all learn > > something if you would do that for us. In the > absence > > of that though, it is difficult to envision why > China > > would have a specific "law" to regulate the export > of > > Rusty Nantans, which are basically the only > meteorite > > that would be exported from China. The f
Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone
> If you are worried about the legality I suggest > you > > stay away from the rock. Let farmer take the risks > > involved in selling it. But dont be a scumbag and > try > > and screw his sales by blowing hot air. > > Sincerely > > DEAN > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On the subject of the Fukang Mutha Stone, how was > >> this legally exported from > >> China? > >> > >> Adam > >> > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > dsl.yahoo.com > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone
Yes Adam, this is a stupid thread that you started and a nice way to start the New Year. It seems that Dean Bessy has figured you out though and so have we. Once again you make unsubstantiated, apparently false claims that you then get caught at, and can't back up. Just to set the facts straight, we asked you to provide the list with a copy of the supposed new "meteorite" law. We did not ask you to translate it because we knew you wouldn't be able to, and we wouldn't trust your translation anyway. We can get it translated for ourselves. Why don't you just ask your "most respectable" source to send us a copy, so that we can see it for ourselves? Surely, that would not be too difficult. As for your b.s. about us "avoiding" the so called issue, we answered your first question in our first email. We answered your second even more ridiculous question in our second email. Your are the only one that seems to be consistently evasive. As for your little qwip at Dean, it would appear that Dean Bessy is far more knowledgable on this topic than you, so I certainly wouldn't be making any snide remarks about his intelligence if I were in your position. This is not the first time that you have tried to pull this type of crap with other dealer's meteorites, and it is getting old. Your motives are quite transparent. >From now on Adam if you can't back up your ridiculous claims then I wouldn't post them in the first place. Thanks -John --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John and List, > > I have no interest whatsoever in the Fukang > pallasite. I do not and will not > carry natural history items from China because while > inquiring about them I > was told by the most respectable sources that they > are now illegal to > export. If you are asking if I took the time to > translate Chinese law, the > answer is no. In my case, this would be a complete > waste of time since I > trust my sources both in the scientific and academic > communities who now > also have no interest in these items. > > I do not understand what Sikhote Alin has to do with > any of this. I only > market the finest examples I can find and Russia is > not part of UNESCO group > as far as I know. Trying to redirect our attention > to another subject is a > transparent way of avoiding the issue. I refuse to > engage any more in this > stupid string because, again, I never had and never > will have any interest > whatsoever in Fukang. Everybody seems to be taking > it personally and > getting angry about it for some reason. I guess I am > the last of many to get > caught in this Fukang spider web. It is up to the > owners show legal export > papers, not claim something is iron ore to get it > out of a country. > > Enough said by me, if somebody else wants to > continue this, you've got the > green light, > > Adam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:30 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone > > > > Hi Adam. It seems you evaded the majority of the > > questions that were put to you. If you do have > some > > actual evidence to back up your claim that there > is > > some new Chinese "meteorite" law, then please > share it > > with us and the rest of the list members. We asked > you > > about the Sikhotes that you are selling. Aren't > you > > interested in the export laws governing them? > > > >As for why fukang is supposedly "not being > > promoted", what are you talking about? Maybe > you're > > Rip Van Hupe and have been asleep for the last > hundred > > years or so, but just to bring you up to speed, we > > purchased a small amount which we have been > selling on > > ebay and our website for over a year. We also have > > made a number of announcements to this list > > advertizing it, and I would think that you might > have > > seen them? As I recall, a very large slice was > > recently offer by a major auction house, > Butterfields, > > did you miss out on that? Perhaps you missed out > on > > the fact that it was being sold all over the World > at > > all of the major shows including Tucson, Denver, > > Munich and Tokyo? It has been said that the > majority > > of it is not going to be for sale-that was another > > meteorite list posting, miss that one? We don't > know > > the owners of the mass that is for sale, but I'm > > guessing that they may not want to sell it on > ebay, > > and may have their sights set on a m
[meteorite-list] Happy New Years! 2006!
Hi all, we too just wanted to wish everyone a Happy and healthy new years! See you all at Tucson in 2006! Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fukang meteorite
Hi Ken and all...There has been some confusion surrounding the stability of this meteorite. It sounds as though you may have one of the weathered exterior pieces that were broken off by one of the list members. These were fairly weathered and when cut are not that stable. The interior pieces on the other hand are quite stable. As I recall, there were some exterior pieces at the Tucson show last year, and those are undoubtedly the ones that were less stable. We have had very good luck with interior pieces, so when you're shopping, make sure you get the interior! Cheers -John & Dawn --- AstronomicalResearchNetwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Fukang meteorite is a wonderful specimen as I > have said . > I have had a specimen for some time and I live in > Minnesota . > One of the worst climates for iron meteorites and I > have been watching my specimen Rust for the last 3 > months. > It was not prepared in any way just hacked off by > the original > owner of the Fukang meteorite . Just a thought when > purchasing > specimens . > Ken Regelman > Astronomical Research Network > http://www.meteorites4sale.net/ > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Term Main Mass
Adam this has got to be one of the stupidest things you've posted to this list. The NWA numbering system really isn't all that complicated. Just to help you out Adam, each and every NWA numbered meteorite has a MAIN MASS. For you, Adam that would mean the B-i-g-g-e-s-t piece. Maybe you have heard of a publication called the 'Meteoritical Bulletin'? Here's an excerpt from MB89 to help clarify things for you. Pay particular attention to the last three words. "Northwest Africa 2373 Northwest Africa Purchased 2004 August Martian (olivine-phyric shergottite) Several small stones that weigh 18.1 g were purchased in Erfoud Morocco. They are yellow brown with desert ablation/varnish surface only, no fusion crust. Description and classification (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): olivine phenocrysts (<1.25 mm in longest dimension) set in a fine-grained groundmass (<0.1 mm) of pigeonite, maskelynite, chromite, Ti-magnetite, augite, chlorapatite and sulphide. Olivine has cores of Fa30.7 (FeO/MnO = 51.9), rims of Fa50.3 (FeO/MnO = 53.3) and contain micron to submicron inclusions of chromite, glass, and barite. One large olivine grain, which may be a xenocryst, is different from the rest with a core of Fa29.1 (FeO/MnO = 43) and more abundant tiny inclusions. The wide (0.2 to 0.4 mm), inclusion-free mantle on this grain is Fa32.3 (FeO/MnO = 39.2). Pigeonite is zoned from Fs29.4Wo8.4 to Fs36.4Wo14.1 (FeO/MnO = 28); augite is Fs21.8Wo29.1. Maskelynite is slightly zoned with a compositional average of An52.1Or2.1. Chromite, cr# = 87, fe# = 90.4. Overall texture, mineral content and mineral compositions strongly suggest that this stone is paired with NWA 1068. The specimen is lightly weathered and moderately shocked. Specimens: type specimen, 3.7 g and one thin section, NAU; main mass, Birdsell." Now Adam are you suggesting that the Scientists that write these classifications, the Nom Com and the editors of the Meteoritical Bulletin are somehow "misleading" and "dishonest"? Kind regards -John --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear List, > > I noticed some dealers and collectors are calling > pairings that are smaller > than the largest piece of a pairing series the "Main > Mass". An example > would be if an 8 kilogram Martian meteorite was > called DAG 476. Then > somebody comes up with a smaller 1 kilogram > meteorite named DAG XXX which > was found to paired to DAG 476. Then the dealer > sells the 1 Kilogram DAG > XXX as a "Main Mass." I think this practice is > misleading and dishonest. I > think the term "Secondary Largest Mass" may be more > appropriate. > > What do you think? > > Adam > > > > __________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Term Main Mass
Adam please feel free to tell the members of the Nom. Com., Ted Bunch, Tony Irving and all of the other scientists that have written and published their NWA classifications using the term "main mass" that you don't agree with the way they are doing things, and that you feel that they are being "misleading" and "dishonest" as you put it in your previous post. For our part, we think they are making the best of a complicated situation, and as long as people understand the NWA numbering system there really is no problem with the way it is currently used. As most of us are aware, NWA numbered meteorites are not in any way analogous to meteorites coming out of a well characterized strewn field-that's precisely why they are given NWA numbers. Those that understand the NWA numbering system also understand that the main mass of one NWA numbered group may or may not be the 'biggest piece' of the presumed "fall". In fact, the use of the term 'main mass' in respect to NWA meteorites has nothing to do with the 'fall' per se, but rather is the term used to refer to the largest piece in a group of meteorites assigned a particular NWA number. Even the "pairing" of meteorites does not, and can not guarantee that they are part of the same fall. This is especially true in the case of northwest Africa where meteorites are collected over a vast area with little or no record of their coordinates. Since it will never be known whether "paired" NWAs are actually part of the same fall or not, it seems that the term main mass is appropriate unless one can unambiguously state with complete certainty that two NWA numbers are from the same fall. This can not be done without a precise record of coordinates. In our opinion this discussion over the use of "main mass" is just a matter semantics, and has nothing to do with science what-so-ever. That said we can probably bring this thread to an end. Cheers -John --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi John and List, > > I do not agree that there can be more than a single > Main Mass per fall. That > is liking saying two Main Masses came out of the > Brenham strewnfield. I > don't think Steve Arnold would like that. > > Take Care, > > Adam > > > __________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Term Main Mass
nold's > gig. This is > unarguably > > an > > > artificially manufactured situation in the dense > collection areas. > > Besides > > > Adam's, Mike's response was pretty > straightforward, too, and Dean's > logic > > very > > > intelligent as well, as well as the rest...it > really sounds much less > > > scientific and more like discussion among > competing cereal companies on > > who can label > > > the food as "Heart Healthy" and who can't. I'd > go retro and just ask > > > "Where's the Beef?" while we watch y'all in > this potentially > high-steaks > > and > > > breadwinning issue. > > > > > > So as long as we understand this is more of a > Cola Wars' type question > > than > > > a meaningful scientific question, it's > interesting to hear all these > > > arguments and occasionally add a peep or two in > the shadow of the > giants. > > > > > > Maybe I'm wrong, but we've seen this discussion > in many presentations > > > before. That's great, as long as everyone > agrees that this is a > > commercial and not > > > a scientific issue. It actually looks like you > all do, in my (very) > > humble > > > perception...Saludos, Doug > > > > > > PS a known pairing series can be open to > interpretation, and are not > > > exhaustive analyses, right? The science > doesn't feel the need to > address > > this > > > issue, as far as I gather... > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/19/2006 10:57:20 P.M. > Eastern Standard Time, > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > If I followed this logic, I would have 48 > planetary "Main Masses." Yeah > > for > > > me! In reality, we have less than a dozen as > far as I am concerned. I > > will > > > stick to the what I believe are the rules, the > largest piece in a known > > > pairing series is the only Main Mass. > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > === message truncated === Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Term Main Mass
Yes Adam, you may of course use any term you like. In fact, perhaps the term main mass shouldn't be used at all since it presupposes that there aren't a larger yet undiscovered masses from the same fall. That may mislead a collector into buying a specimen that isn't actually the very biggest piece from the fall. Maybe the term should be "largest individual of NWA 123" or "largest individual found to date from presumed fall XYZ". Though, I must confess that I don't quite see the difference, since the fact of the matter is that both the terms 'main mass' and 'largest individual' are still context dependent... Cheers -John --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I respectfully disagree with the below statement, > the List seems to be > divided on its usage therefore it is not currently > accepted. I feel safer > using the old established definition of the term > Main Mass rather than the > new selectively used definition. I think the term > "The largest specimen > under this particular nomenclature" would more > accurate in describing the > smaller pairings than "Main Mass." > > >The term main mass is not a difficult concept. In > its currently accepted > usage it is context dependent.< > > Take Care, > > Adam > > > - Original Message - > From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Term Main Mass > > > > The term main mass is not a difficult concept. In > its > > currently accepted usage it is context dependent. > If > > one states that meteorite "Z" is the main mass of > the > > NWA 123, then that clearly means it is the largest > > extant specimen of the meteorite individuals > > comprising all individuals belonging to the NWA > 123 > > grouping. It does not imply anything more or less. > > That is it. No if's, and's or but's. If on the > other > > hand one states that meteorite "Z" is the main > mass of > > a particular "fall", then that implys that it is > the > > largest extant specimen found to date from a > defined > > fall, or the largest remaining specimen if the > largest > > specimen has been cut up. This really isn't that > > diffulcult to understand is it? > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > --- "R. N. Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > OPINION: > > > > > > This has traditionally, for as long as I have > been > > > collecting, and that is > > > for 50+ years, the one largest or primary piece > has > > > been the "main mass". > > > More usually, there had been a loose > understanding > > > that the main mass > > > usually referred to a very large meteorite where > > > there was one substantially > > > large piece and many smaller pieces. If there, > for > > > example, were a > > > strewnfield with many pieces that were all > within a > > > similar size range, it > > > served no meaningful purpose to call the largest > a > > > main mass. After 1999 > > > when many small "Saharan" individuals, all > somewhat > > > different, started > > > becoming available, and there was only "one" of > > > each, soon each started to > > > be referred to a "main mass". This was a happy > > > time for dealers and > > > collectors as collectors could now collect "main > > > masses"! But, I don't > > > think that was the intent of the term as it was > > > originally used. > > > > > > And definitely, as Adam states, there can be > only > > > one main mass. One need > > > only to look up the term "main" in a dictionary, > > > i.e. "the first in size". > > > > > > Dealers and collectors who try to bend the rules > > > (broaden established > > > definitions) for their own gain do nothing in > the > > > eyes of researchers to > > > promote a good image for meteorite collecting in > > > general. In the end such > > > behavior will come back to haunt everyone! > > > > > > Ron Hartman > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9
[meteorite-list] Ad NEW LL3.7, NWA 2836 Available!
Hello all. We would like to announce a beautiful new LL3.7, which is being provisionally referred to as 'NWA 2836'. It is full of multicolored chondrules of all sizes, armored chondrules, bullseye chondrules and clasts. Feel free to check it out! Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Stunning New Silicated Iron NWA 2680 Available!
Hello again...for those of you that love irons we have a gorgeous silicated iron with exqusite, fine etch patterns, a moderately high nickel content, and wonderful angular clasts. This stunning iron has what appears to be troilite with brecciated olivine & achondritic material embedded in the troilite! It is still under study but has a nickel content of 13.2%. This iron is being provisionally referred to as NWA 2680. Feel free to look at the photos as they can better describe it than I can. Cheers -John & Dawn http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad New Metal-Rich Mesosiderite NWA 2676 (prov.)
Hello again...Here's our final annoucement for today for the mesosiderophiles out there. We have recently listed an extremely metal rich Mesosiderite provisionally referred to as NWA 2676. Some of the full slices available are almost all metal with hundreds of tiny troilite & silicate inclusions evenly dispersed through it. Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Stunning New Silicated Iron NWA 2680 Available!
Hi DarrenYep we finally got the test results back on the german "iron" (see below)...Are you in the market for a nice WWII artifact? ;-) LA-ICP-MS analysis of sample All data ppm except where otherwise noted. element average error %error V 6.2 1.5 24% Cr 279 27 10% Mn 96 11 12% Fe, wt% 99.62 0.010.0% Co 118 4 3.5% Ni 1306183 14.0% Cu 216086 4.0% Ga 8.860.131.4% Ge 14.60.4 2.9% As 92 2 2.5% Mo 106 2 2.3% Ru 0.2 Pd 0.4 0.1 16.5% Sb 19.20.4 1.9% W 6 2 34.4% Re 0.059 0.011 18.3% Os 0.03 Ir 0.030.0280.2% Pt 0.1 Au 0.1 --- Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a slightly different note, did you ever get test > results on that German > maybe-iron-meteorite-maybe-bomb-fragment? I'm > curious as to which it turned out to be. > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: New Plessitic Octahedrite & Ni-Poor Ataxite
Hello everyone. For those of you that own slices of NWA 2428 the latest information we have received from UCLA is that it appears that it is structurally a plessitic octahedrite (IAB sHL). You can read more about this unusual new iron in the preview of MB89. For those that own NWA 2678, the lastest word is that it is a rare IIAB nickel-poor ataxite. Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - NAU
Hi Marcin...12:00 noon would be lunch time for everyone here in Arizona. Better to call in the morning or afternoon. Also, I believe that Jim has been recovering from an injured ankle, so he may not be going to the lab at all. -John --- "Meteoryt.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, sotty for oftopic > There are any holidays or something in USA? > I tryed to call NAU laboratory tooday at 12:00 > (arizona time) but noone > there ! > This lab is work still ??? > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > http://www.Meteoryt.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 > [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society > ] > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Mesosiderite, Mesosiderite, and more Mesosiderites!
Hi all! We have just listed several really beautiful, metal rich mesosiderites starting at under $3/gram. They range in size from 35 grams up to a whopping 860 grams! This meso has awesome, big metal nodules and tons of metal. They are worth a look even if you're not in the market. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6540117847&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6540115402&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6540116837&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad New Silicated IIIC (prov.) ending on ebay
Hi all. Just a reminder for those intersted in irons...we have a beautiful new silicated iron which appears to be a member of the old IIIC group (now IA-sLM group) ending on ebay in just over 2 hours. http://makeashorterlink.com/?D6852484B We also have several spectacular slices (both etched and polished) on the website. Just look for NWA 2680. We also still have two beautiful (and affordable) mesosiderites running on ebay. Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad New Silicated IIIC (prov.) ending on ebay
Hi Matteo. Yes, it appears to be stable. Comparing this to nantan is somewhat like comparing apples to oranges. Nantan has a nickel content of only 6.88% and is a member of the IAB main group. This silicated iron has a nickel content of 13.8% and appears to be a member of the IAB LM subgroup which corresponds to the old IIIC group. It is noteworthy that its Cu and Sb concentrations are higher than those in any current member of this IAB subgroup. Also, irons which are found in moist environments tend to be less stable than irons found in dry environments. Somone may correct me, but I believe Nantan is from a relatively moist environment while NWA 2680 is a desert iron. The elmental composition of NWA 2680 is: : Cr 96 µg/g, Co 5.4 mg/g, Ni 138 mg/g, Cu 560 µg/g, Ga 26 µg/g, As 21 µg/g, Sb 890 ng/g, W 0.33 µg/g, Ir 2.1 µg/g, Au 1.77µg/g. Cheers -John --- M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello > > Its stable the slice? IIICD its a not good class for > meteorites - seen Nantan... > regards > > Matteo > > --- Arizona Skies Meteorites > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ha scritto: > > > Hi all. Just a reminder for those intersted in > > irons...we have a beautiful new silicated iron > which > > appears to be a member of the old IIIC group (now > > IA-sLM group) ending on ebay in just over 2 hours. > > > > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?D6852484B > > > > We also have several spectacular slices (both > etched > > and polished) on the website. Just look for NWA > > 2680. > > > > > > We also still have two beautiful (and affordable) > > mesosiderites running on ebay. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > -John & Dawn > > Arizona Skies Meteorites > > http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com > > > > Arizona Skies Meteorites > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, > ITALY > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ > > > > > > > ___ > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da > 10MB > http://mail.yahoo.it > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Announcing a Gorgeous NEW ACAPULCOITE-NWA 2714 (prov.)!
Hello everyone! We are very pleased to announce the first of several exotic new meteorites: our latest achodrite-a spectacular new Acapulcoite NWA 2714(prov.)! This is a really beautiful primative achondrite loaded with olivine crystals ranging in color from orange to green. Best of all, it is priced well below the going rate for Acapulcoites. To read more and to see a number of specimens please visit our website: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com We also have listed a specimen on ebay (6549487914) which will be starting at 6:00pm this evening for those of you that are ebay afficionados. Thanks for looking and stay tuned for some really unique new meteorites which we will be announcing in the coming weeks. Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Announcing a Gorgeous NEWACAPULCOITE-NWA2714 (prov.)!
Hi Tom, Darren & Mark and good question. The answer, as far as we understand it, is that a 7.5kg stone was found sometime in 2003. It was either broken or fell apart into pieces which were then sold. Each person that then submits a sample from this stone for classification is assigned a unique NWA number. Ours is NWA 2714. So conceivably there could be 3 or 4 different NWA numbers referring to different parts of the same stone. It is amost exactly analogous to the NWA 1069, NWA 1110, NWA 2373, etc set of numbers which refer to different stones from the same fall, with the exception that in the latter case the stones presumably broke apart before they hit the ground. Cheers -John & Dawn --- MarkF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Makes you wonder if its a typo and should have read > "from the same ~7.5 kilo > "lot" of stone(s)" for if its from the same exact > "~7.5 kilo stone", what > was the purpose? > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite Mailing List" > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Announcing a > Gorgeous > NEWACAPULCOITE-NWA2714 (prov.)! > > > > Darren wrote; > > "If "NWA 2714 comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone > as NWA 2656", then why a > > different number?" > > > > That is a great question!! How can a new > meteorite come from an old > > one? Was it brecciaed and this is the other half? > I really want to know! > > Thanks, Tom > > peregrineflier <>< > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" > > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Announcing a > Gorgeous NEW > > ACAPULCOITE-NWA2714 (prov.)! > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:11:38 -0700 (PDT), Arizona > Skies Meteorites > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If "NWA 2714 comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone > as NWA 2656", then why a > > different number? > > > > > http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NWA_2714/index.html > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - > Release Date: 7/28/2005 > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Q: Good Source for Plastic Display Stands?
Hi all...does anyone know of a good website for plastic display stands? Thanks in advance! -John Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Q: Good Source for Plastic Display Stands?
Hi Norm, Susan & Tom and thanks for your help and rapid resonses! We will check those sources out. Cheers -John --- Norm Lehrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John & list, > > Try http://www.amlap.com/alw/page4.html for > starters. > > Regards, > Norm > http://TektiteSource.com > > --- Arizona Skies Meteorites > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Hi all...does anyone know of a good website for > > plastic display stands? > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > -John > > > > Arizona Skies Meteorites > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ice lake found on the Red Planet
That is really amazing if it is true. It is somewhat surprising that a 7-8 mile diameter frozen lake wasn't spotted sometime ago with all the surveying of the planet's surface that has been conducted. Cool! -John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "A giant patch of frozen water has been pictured > nestled within an unnamed > impact crater on Mars. > The photographs were taken by the High Resolution > Stereo Camera on board > Mars Express, the European Space Agency probe which > is exploring the > planet." > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4727847.stm > > Regards > > Ken O'Neill > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-New Acapulcoite Auction ending soon...
Hi all...just a reminder. If you're into rare primative achondrites we have a beautiful new Acapulcoite NWA 2714 ending in just about 45 minutes. Even if you're not interested in bidding it is worth a look. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6549487914&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Congratulations to Christian and Mike!
Wow! Way to go Christian & Mike! Three beautiful, new, witnessed falls in one evening! Congrats! -John & Dawn --- Christian Anger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am glad to announce two new witnessed falls. > > see > > www.austromet.com/Maigat/Maigat.htm > > and > > www.austromet.com/Gad/Gad.htm > > > cheers from Austria, > > Christian > > > IMCA #2673 > www.austromet.com > > Christian Anger > Korngasse 6 > 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg > AUSTRIA > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Donating On Ebay
Hello All...It is actually very easy to hold an ebay auction and to have 100% of the proceeds go to the non-profit charity of your choice. When you are setting up the auction there is an option: "Donate Percentage of Sale" along with a drop-down box showing hundreds of Non-Profit Charities, including the American Red Cross, and even aid for Hurrican Katrina victims! You can choose to donate anywhere from 10% to 100% of the proceeds. Cheers! -John --- MarkF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hold the auction on the list or at Mark B's > chatroom! > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Notkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" > > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: New Orleans > > > > Hi again Geoff and List, > > > > I am not exactly sure what ebay's rules are but I > remember them killing > > auctions for the Tsunami relief effort. I bid on > a few to find out the > > auctions never completed with an explanation from > ebay. I would just > > mention the proceeds are going to a good cause and > advertise the auction > > to > > the List. > > > > Take Care, > > > > Adam > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] "Sexy" New Lunar & Martian Photos
Hi all...Since it's been a bit quiet on the list lately, we thought now would be a nice time to share some photos of our "sexy" new Lunar & Martian specimens. Enjoy! http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/Lunar_Martian/ -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nature Quest International
Adam since you have taken a temporary position with "Nature Quest International", I'm sure the list members would be interested in hearing who the "ex-CEO of a very successful corporation" is that is on the Board of Directors (see link below)? Which corporation was that? And who is the current "CEO" of Nature Quest International, and in which state and Country is 'Nature Quest International' incorporated? I'm sure the list members would appreciate knowing with whom they are dealing before putting down their hard earned money. http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=nature-quest-international Thanks! -John --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear List, > > I received numerous emails pointing out that Nature > Quest International is > using some descriptions from The Hupe Collection. > They have permission to > use the descriptions since we supplied them with > most of the meteoritic > material they will market and they asked in writing. > They state this at the > bottom of the descriptions. > > I am working very closely with this well-backed new > company and have taken a > temporary position with the company because I > believe they will do an > excellent job and have the resources to do so. > Nature Quest International > will be offering several types of natural history > items, not just > meteorites. They are in the very long process of > cataloging an extensive > array of currently warehoused products and decided > to start out with > meteorites since some of them have already been > inventoried and described. > They will start out with mainly small but really > nice items to get the > ratings necessary to move up to Pro Store status. A > well-known, respected in > the meteorite community and very professional > website developer has been > chosen to develop a web presence but this will take > some time, as well. > > Here is a link to to Nature Quests International's > inaugural ebay auctions > for those who are curious: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnature-quest-internationalQQhtZ-1 > > Some of the employees are currently training in > subjects ranging from > Accounting to Geology so that they can better serve > their customer base. I > believe they will add needed professionalism to the > diverse product range > they decide to market. It is my belief that they > will add great benefit to > the community they serve otherwise I would not be > onboard. Two well-known > and respected scientists have accepted positions on > the board of directors > demonstrating the belief that Nature Quest > International will be a long term > success. > > Kind Regards, > > > Adam Hupe > The Hupe Collection > Team LunarRock > IMCA 2185 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: meteorite photo galleries on the web
Hi Harlan. Here's the link to our photo gallery. It's modest, and is still a work in progress, but we think it has some very interesting pieces. http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Meteorite_Photos/index.html Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites --- harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - can anybody out there give me links to large meteorite photo websites? the more specimens, the better. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I had a pretty large problem with an E-bay transaction.
Hi Mike and thanks for your post. This should be a warning to EVERYONE! We had the same thing happen on an expensive ebay purchase. The seller kept saying that our order would arrive "soon"...of course it never arrived. By the time we had decided to report the seller to ebay and paypal, it was too late. Paypal likes to pretend that they are the "safest" way to pay for items, but you are out of luck if the item never arrives or is not as described and you have waited longer than the very limited time they allow you to report a problem. This is why eveyone that uses paypal should ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS choose their credit card as a payment source. Paypal does not like it when you do this and they try very hard to trick you into using an e-check or a transfer from your bank account. Don't fall for this. Always use your credit card as the funding source! That way you can file a chargeback dispute against the seller if you don't receive the merchandise as described. Paypal won't tell you that you can file a chargeback either as they don't want you to know about it. In fact paypal will sometimes actively try to dispute your chargeback as they tried unsucessfully in our case. Another VERY IMPORTANT warning regarding paypal is that you should always remove ALL of your funds from your account BEFORE you pay w/ a credit card. Otherwise, paypal will use all of the funds in your paypal account and only then after the funds are used, charge the remaining balance due to your credit card. This is what paypal does even when your specifically indicate that you want the purchase to be funded by your credit card. We feel that this is a very misleading practice on the part of paypal, however if you read the fine print of your paypal contract very carefully, it states that they can do this. The final note on this...Fortuntately, on our purchase we used our credit card and only lost a small amount of funds from our paypal account. We filed a dispute w/ our credit card company, paypal tried to claim that we had received the merchandise (which we had not), and our credit card company credited our account for the full amount of the purchase. The seller was delisted from ebay (he did the same thing to 10-15 other buyers), and eventually declared chapter 11 bankruptcy! Hope this story along with Mike Miller's serve as a warning for everyone. Cheers -John --- Mike / flattoprocks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone I purchased a $1500 item on E-bay > it was an overseas > purchase and I waited too long to report it to > Pay-Pal or E-bay. I want to > let everyone know who the seller is and what > happened in case they ever want > to deal with this person or have a dispute they need > resolved. Right now I > am wondering if it is ok to post the persons E-bay > name on the list? > Mike Miller // E-Bay flattoprocks > Website // www.meteoritefinder.com > Check out the web site it is up and running! > Mike Miller 230 Greenway Rd. Kingman AZ 86401 > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Re[2]: [meteorite-list] I had a pretty large problem with an E-bay transaction.
Hello Ivan and thanks for the information about MoneyBookers. That sounds as though that may be something worth looking into. Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com --- ivanmete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Hello Arizona, and List! I use a new money transfer system, named moneybookers. It is the same like PayPal, but has some difference. (European online transfer money system, based on UK). 1. Sender pay fees, not receiver. Fees is not high, 1% of amount but not more than 70 cents or 50 eurocents per transfer. PayPal like 30 cents plus 2.9% from amount for standard account. 2. Moneybookers has an escrow payment: (here is from help topic) What if the Seller does not ship the items? - Funds will not be released to the Seller until the buyer has received and approved the items he is purchasing. This eliminates the concern for non-shipment of goods. How can an Escrow payment be cancelled? - The seller may cancel the transaction at any time and the payment and security deposit would then be returned to the buyer. The buyer may reject the transaction during the inspection period after receiving the items, but the buyer is still responsible for shipping the merchandise back to the seller, and for paying any fees. For which purposes can I use Moneybookers Escrow for? - Our escrow service is ideal for auction payments, domain name transfers and any other type of national or international trading. PayPal :(also from help menu) Are you an escrow service? - No. We do not provide escrow-related services. We are a person-to-person payment service that enables instant and secure electronic payments. If you have a new customer or do not trust somebody, just use escrow. It is cost something, but you are feeling better. When I start use moneybookers, my oversee auctions grown up. You can add logo of moneybookers to your auctions the same way as PayPal does. If you are a seller you will get more bids from Europe and other oversee, also from countries which PayPal doesn't accept. Did you know that now there are many Russians (I'm not alone) start collect meteorites, but have a difficulties use PayPal or other money transfer? Moneybookers works for Russia too. Also safe on PayPal fees (and this is a lot!) If you a buyer, pay maximum $.70 fee and your seller would be happy, because there no fees for seller. Learn more about Moneybookers here: http://www.moneybookers.com/app/?rid=1308477 Friday, September 30, 2005, 3:45:26 AM, you wrote: > Hi Mike and thanks for your post. This should be a > warning to EVERYONE! We had the same thing happen on > an expensive ebay purchase. The seller kept saying > that our order would arrive "soon"...of course it > never arrived. By the time we had decided to report > the seller to ebay and paypal, it was too late. Paypal > likes to pretend that they are the "safest" way to pay > for items, but you are out of luck if the item never > arrives or is not as described and you have waited > longer than the very limited time they allow you to > report a problem. This is why eveyone that uses paypal > should ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS choose their credit card > as a payment source. Paypal does not like it when you > do this and they try very hard to trick you into using > an e-check or a transfer from your bank account. Don't > fall for this. Always use your credit card as the > funding source! That way you can file a chargeback > dispute against the seller if you don't receive the > merchandise as described. Paypal won't tell you that > you can file a chargeback either as they don't want > you to know about it. In fact paypal will sometimes > actively try to dispute your chargeback as they tried > unsucessfully in our case. > Another VERY IMPORTANT warning regarding paypal is > that you should always remove ALL of your funds from > your account BEFORE you pay w/ a credit card. > Otherwise, paypal will use all of the funds in your > paypal account and only then after the funds are used, > charge the remaining balance due to your credit card. > This is what paypal does even when your specifically > indicate that you want the purchase to be funded by > your credit card. We feel that this is a very > misleading practice on the part of paypal, however if > you read the fine print of your paypal contract very > carefully, it states that they can do this. > The final note on this...Fortuntately, on our purchase > we used our credit card and only lost a small amount > of funds from our paypal account. We filed a dispute > w/ our credit card company, paypal tried to claim that > we had received the merchandise
[meteorite-list] Ad-Announcing NEA 002, a Uniquely Structured NEW IID Anom. Iron!
Hello everyone. We very pleased to announce NEA 002 (prov.)- a unique new Iron from north east Africa! This iron has been provisionally classified as a very unusual anomalous IID. It has a fractal like etch pattern like nothing you have ever seen before, and you've really got to see it to appreciate it. We have listed several slices and part slices on the website. Enjoy! -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Announcing Two NEW Meteorites: NWA 2784 & NWA 2911
Hello Everyone. We are very pleased to announce a spectacular, newly classified Eucrite-NWA 2784 (prov.)! This is a particularly showy and beautiful Eucrite, consisting of a brecciated cumulate eucrite host with extremely fine grained basaltic clasts. NWA 2784 is a single stone weighing only 141 grams before cutting losses. After cutting losses and type specimens donated for scientific research, only 98 grams remains for collectors. We are also fortunate in being able to announce an absolutely gorgeous new L3.5-NWA 2911 (prov.). This is an incredible meteorite with fresh black fusion crust and some of the most gorgeous, well defined, multicolored chondrules you have seen-well worth a look. You can view both of these along with many other unique meteorite at our website. http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com We also have a number of unique new meteorites at auction on ebay: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZarizona_skies_meteorites_power_sellersQQhtZ-1 These include our NEW Acapulcoite NWA 2714, a spectacular new Plessitic Octahedrite NWA 2428, our new silicated iron (final analysis show that it turns out to be an ungrouped IAB "related" iron NWA 2680, and of course our unique new Anomalous IID from northeast Africa, NEA 002 with the fractal-like etch patterns. We will be announcing a number of new meteorites in the coming weeks, so stay tuned... We hope you enjoy our two newest additions! Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What happened to findmeteorites.com???
Hello all. We are just wondering what happened to the findmeteorites.com website? Apparently it has been down for sometime now. Steve Arnold IMB, Michael Blood, someone care to comment? Quite a few people paid in advance to advertise on this website and it is rather troubling to find that it is no longer a valid URL. Thanks! -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: What happened to findmeteorites.com
Hello Geoff and thanks for the good news! We're relieved to hear that GoDaddy.com has Steve's URL back up and working. Cheers -John Arizona Skies Meteorites --- Notkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Birdsell posted: > > > We are just wondering what happened to the > findmeteorites.com website? > > . . . Quite a few people > > paid in advance to advertise on this website and > it is rather > > troubling to find that it is no longer a valid > > URL. > > > John and List: > > Although www.FindMeteorites.com is not one of the > websites that I > manage I am taking the liberty of replying on Steve > Arnold IMB's behalf > as he is a friend, and because I happen to know that > he is away on > business at the moment. > > www.FindMeteorites.com is a valid URL. The site was > temporarily > unavailable due to an error made by the host company > -- GoDaddy.com. > Steve was aware of the problem, and doing everything > possible to get > the site back up ASAP. Unfortunately GoDaddy.com is > not the most > efficient outfit. > > If you check back, you will see that > www.FindMeteorites.com is up and > running, and I'm sure Steve regrets any temporary > down time. > > > Sincerely, > > Geoff N. > > ______________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Announcing a NEW South American Iron and Much More!!!
Hi allWe wanted to wish everyone a happy Holiday season! We are pleased to be able to bring yet another beautiful, rare New Iron to the scientific and collecting community. We have recently acquired a lovely new iron from Patagonia. It is currently under scientific study and classification, and once we receive the classification data, we will pass it on to our customers. We are making a few specimens avialable now ahead of classification, and you can view these at: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/Patagonian_Iron We were also very fortunate a number of months ago, in being able to acquire a number of new Uruacu Irons which were found over the past year or two near Goias, Brazil. The TKW of this fall is extremely low for an iron, and with the new finds is still only several hundred kilos. You can see some of our "baby" Uruacu at: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/Uruacu For those of you that missed out on our gorgeous New Anomalous IID -NEA 002, we have listed several more beautiful specimens. This iron is a must for any serious iron collector, and has a TKW of only 5.48 kg! http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/NEA_002/index.html For those of you that love Pallasites, we have some of the most gorgeous Imilac, Esquel, Fukang, and Brahin slices and part slices avialable anywhere. You can view these at: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Stony_Irons/index.html And for those of you that love Achondrites and Planetary specimens, feel free to browse some of our newest additions, including a new Lunar, new Acopulcoite and our spectacular "Pink" Eucrite here: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Achondrites/index.html We will be announcing a number of other new meteorites as time permits, so stay tuned... Enjoy! Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My website is up and running! Ad
Hi Mike and congratulations on your new website! It looks very nice and you definitely have some nice pieces available! Good luck! -John & Dawn --- Mike / flattoprocks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, as some of you know Geoff Notkin > has been working on a > website for me www.meteoritefinder.com . He has > finished it and it is up and > running! It looks great, Geoff is very good at what > he does and it was great > working with him. Thanks Geoff! > I put the word ad in the title since I do have a > sale page on the site. > There are some pretty cool stories on the home page, > just click on the photo > and you get the story behind the picture. > I will be adding quite a few collection pieces to > the site in the next > couple of weeks and also many pieces for sale. Don't > be shy let me know what > you think. > Mike Miller // E-Bay flattoprocks > Website // www.meteoritefinder.com > Check out the web site it is up and running! > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Update-NWA 2428 Saharan Iron-Ad
Hello everyone. We just wanted to let those of you that are interested in rare irons know that we have received the final irradiation results from UCLA on our unique new Saharan Iron NWA 2428. The elemental composition can be viewed on our website. We have also listed a lovely specimen on ebay starting at just 50% of its retail value. The etch on this iron is amazing, and the photos don't begin to do it justice (you really need to view it under a loop). It has been assigned to the IAB subclass HL. The H stands for High gold content and the L for low nickel content (see Wasson & Kallemeyn, 2002). This is not a common type of iron and is well worth a look! We will also be announcing another phenomenal new iron shortly... Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Announcing NEW IRON-NWA 2679 Saharan Iron-Ad
Hello again everyoneWe are very pleased to announce an amazing and beautiful new Iron with a total known weight of only 512 grams! This iron has long kamacite needles making for an incredible and unique etch pattern unsimilar to anything we have seen before (see: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6517984014&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1). We have received the first results on this iron and it looks as though it will be a sub class or anomalous IAB. We are introducing this lovely new iron on ebay starting at 50% of its retail value. Definitly worth a look, and if you are into extremely rare irons you may want to grab one. We will be announcing a number of other spectacular new meteorites in the comming weeks, so stay tuned... Oh yeah, to see NWA 2428 click here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6517981788&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing NEW IRON-NWA 2679 Saharan Iron-Ad
Hi Darren...That is a great question. We determined the value that we would be willing to sell a rare meteorite for based on a variety of factors including: its initial cost to us, its rarity, aesthetics, uniqueness, stability, etc. For something as rare as this, we recognize its value and are not in a rush to sell it off as quickly as we can to make a quick buck like some. We appreciate its beauty, rarity and value. Since there are only around 360 grams of NWA 2679 that will ever be made avialable to collectors, this is one of the rarest irons that you will find (with the possible exception of NWA 2677). Assuming that we make all of it available, and assuming an average slice weighs 18 grams, there will only be 20 people on the planet that own any of this meteorite. It is also one of the most unusual, and in our opinon beautiful, irons that we have seen. Even John Wasson commented on its beauty, and he's seen them all! I hope this explains how we came up with the retail pricing on some of our rare material. I suppose another possible way to guestimate retail value would be by assuming a negative log-linear relationship between price and TAW (total available weight as opposed to tkw). You can generate a regression based on the known sales prices and TAWs and interpolate or extrapolate depending on where you meteorite's TAW lies. Cheers -John --- Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:25:00 -0800 (PST), Arizona > Skies Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >IAB. We are introducing this lovely new iron on > ebay > >starting at 50% of its retail value. Definitly > worth a > > Hate to play the Devil's Advocate here (okay, no, I > don't hate to) but how do you determine the > "retail value" for a unique new item that has never > been sold before? Can a unique meteorite have a > "retail value" before someone buys some of it for > price "x"? > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are the latest Iron Falls?
Yes Martin, that is a gorgous piece with a beautiful rolled back lip. It is striking just how few iron falls there actually are. There must be thousands of chondritic falls over the same time span. It just goes to show that the rare desert irons that are coming out now reflect hundreds of thousands of years of accumulation. Once these have been picked clean we'll have a long time to wait for an equally rich hunting environment ;-) Cheers -John --- Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to forget the killer iron Ali Hmani had in > Munich, > must be a recent fall with that blueish fresh crust. > You can see him, holding that iron in the latest > Meteorite Magazine issue, > in Pilski's show report. > > Meow! > Martin > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:11 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the latest Iron > Falls? > > > > 1. What were the last 3 to 5 recorded iron > > falls around the world? Does it include SA? > > Kaposfüred - IVA - Hungary - 1995 > Ban Rong Du - Thailand - 1993 > Sterlitamak - IIIAB - former USSR - 1990 > Chisenga - Malawi - 1988 > Raghunathpura - IIAB - India - 1986 > Akyumak - IVA - Turkey - 1981 > Ningbo - IVA - China - 1975 > Juromenha - IIIAB - Portugal - 1968 > Muzaffarpur - IRANOM - India - 1964 > Bogou - IAB - Upper Volta - 1962 > Kayakent - IIIAB - Turkey - 1961 > Yardymly - IIICD - former USSR - 1959 > Sikhote-Alin - IIAB - former USSR - 1947 > > > Best wishes, > > Bernd > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Announcing NEW, type IIAB iron NWA 2678-Ad
Hello again all. We are pleased to announce another extremely rare new iron from the Sahara-NWA 2678 (prov.). The tkw on this one was 381g before cutting and there will only be about 260g available for collectors. UCLA has provisionally classified this as a IIAB. It has a spectacular etch pattern somewhat reminescent of a heat altered Willamette! We have listed a beautiful full slice of this specimen on ebay which will start later this evening. We will also list a smaller end-cut. If you like you can pre-view the amazing etch at this link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6518119711&ssPageName=STRK:MESC:IT Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] "Bullseye" chondrules?
Speaking of chondrules, can anyone please tell me anything they can about "bullseye" chondrules? We seem to have several of them in our new LL3. We have not seen this before: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/BullsEye/ Thanks in advance for any insights! Cheers -John & Dawn --- Christian Anger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are some of my samples of protruding > chondrules: > > www.austromet.com/collection/DaG_0180_15.4g_B.jpg > > closeup pic at > > www.austromet.com/collection/DaG_0180_15.4g_C.jpg > > and another protruding chondrule > > www.austromet.com/collection/Juancheng_216g_B.jpg > > cheers, > > Christian > > > IMCA #2673 > www.austromet.com > > Christian Anger > Korngasse 6 > 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg > AUSTRIA > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Roman > Jirasek > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:29 AM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] protruding chondrules? > > > I have seen this a few times. > See the following link of my 226g NWA with a big > chondrule. > > http://www.meteoritelabels.com/NWA226c.jpg > > Best regards, > Roman Jirasek > www.meteoritelabels.com > > > __________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: "Bullseye" chondrules?
Hi Christian and thanks for your fast reply. Those are beautiful LL's! I really liked NWA 1770. Hopefully Bernd will have some ideas on the formation of Bullseye chondrules. Cheers -John --- Christian Anger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi John & Dawn, > > I have many of them: > > DaG 632 LL3.2-3.4 > www.austromet.com/collection/DaG_0632_0.628g.jpg > > NWA 724 LL3 > www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_0724_5.646g.jpg > > NWA 1227 LL3 > www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_1227_11.7g.jpg > > NWA 1770 LL3.3 > www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_1770_3.294g.jpg > > NWA 1806 H3 > www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_1806_23.3g_A.jpg > > NWA 2089 LL3 > www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_2089_3.778g.jpg > > NWA 2291 L/LL3 > www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_2291_18.4g.jpg > > NWA 3119 LL4 > www.austromet.com/collection/NWA_3119_4.488g.jpg > > > > I don't know about their forming, > > maybe Bernd has answers ? > > Cheers, > > Christian > > IMCA #2673 > www.austromet.com > > Christian Anger > Korngasse 6 > 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg > AUSTRIA > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Arizona > Skies Meteorites > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 5:29 AM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Bullseye" chondrules? > > Speaking of chondrules, can anyone please tell me > anything they can about "bullseye" chondrules? We > seem > to have several of them in our new LL3. We have not > seen this before: > > http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/BullsEye/ > > > Thanks in advance for any insights! > > > Cheers > > > -John & Dawn > > > --- Christian Anger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here are some of my samples of protruding > > chondrules: > > > > www.austromet.com/collection/DaG_0180_15.4g_B.jpg > > > > closeup pic at > > > > www.austromet.com/collection/DaG_0180_15.4g_C.jpg > > > > and another protruding chondrule > > > > www.austromet.com/collection/Juancheng_216g_B.jpg > > > > cheers, > > > > Christian > > > > > > IMCA #2673 > > www.austromet.com > > > > Christian Anger > > Korngasse 6 > > 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg > > AUSTRIA > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of Roman > > Jirasek > > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:29 AM > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] protruding > chondrules? > > > > > > I have seen this a few times. > > See the following link of my 226g NWA with a big > > chondrule. > > > > http://www.meteoritelabels.com/NWA226c.jpg > > > > Best regards, > > Roman Jirasek > > www.meteoritelabels.com > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > Arizona Skies Meteorites > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] black vs. yellow brahins
Hi Harlan. We recently noticed some on ebay that looked like they have black crystals too. We assumed it was just the photos, but now that you bring this up, we are curious-did you get them from Meteorock? Cheers -John --- harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - got 2 megachunx of brahin in the collection- one years ago w/ YELLOW-GREEN, transluscent, round crystals and other recently that has black, angular, not really transluscent crystals. anybody got any insite on why the differences?! i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Gorgeous New Howardite Available
Hi Greg and congratulations on your new Howardite. That 34.9g slice is awesome! It is not only visually striking, but the fact that it is so dense is very interesting. Do you have any ideas as to why it would be so much more dense than most Howardites? Could it be source depth, or are all howardites derived from relatively shallow depths? Cheers -John --- Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear list members, > > I have just listed several thin-cut, large and small > slices of my new > brecciated and highly shocked howardite, NWA 3149, > under my eBay seller > name, naturesvault. This has got to be the most > dense howardite I have ever > cut and polished. I used up a new blade and it took > eight hours to polish > the slices from the 1500-gram stone, but the effort > was well worth it. I was > able to cut several complete slices at around 2mm > thick and the balance of > material in part slices. They are all polished to a > high level on both sides > making for great presentation pieces. > > Here are the direct links to all that I have listed > tonight: > > NEW - NWA 3149 Brecciated Howardite Complete Slice > 34.9 grams (Museum > Quality Size) > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6519278479&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > NEW - NWA 3149 Brecciated Howardite Complete Slice > 27.5 grams (Museum > Quality Size) > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6519278908&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > NEW - NWA 3149 Brecciated Howardite Part Slice 9.9 > grams > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6519279322&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > NEW - NWA 3149 Brecciated Howardite Part Slice 8.4 > grams > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6519279728&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > NEW - NWA 3149 Brecciated Howardite Part Slice 7.9 > grams > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6519280042&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > NEW - NWA 3149 Brecciated Howardite Part Slice 4.3 > grams > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6519280511&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAS:US:3 > > NEW - NWA 3149 Brecciated Howardite Part Slice 2.7 > grams > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6519280848&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > NEW - NWA 3149 Brecciated Howardite Part Slice 1.8 > grams > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6519281204&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT > > Even if you do not want to bid, the pictures are > worth looking at, VERY nice > material! > > Best regards, > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > naturesvault (eBay) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > IMCA 2185 > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stunning Taza, Odessa, Esquel, Sikhote, and many more on ebay-Ad
Hello everyone...We have some really amazing meteorites listed on ebay right now. These include two unbelieveable, huge etched Tazas with awesome troilite inclusions surrounded by kamacite, a enormous etched Henbury full slice, a 15+ pound World Class Sikhote, two gorgeous Muonionalusta slices, three new, extremely rare desert irons (NWA 2428, NWA 2678 & NWA 2679), a 9.5 Lb Odessa iron with NO Reserve, several very nice eucrites, and some awesome pallasites to name a few. If any of these sound interesting, or just to check them out go to the following link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZarizonaQ5fskiesQ5fmeteoritesQ5fpowerQ5fsellers Thanks for looking! -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is it??
Hello Jan and Congratulations on your marriage! What a wonderful place to have the ceremony. Best wishes to you and your new wife! -John & Dawn --- Jan Bartels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi List, > > A few weeks ago when we got married at the Meteor > Crater one of the > crewmembers gave us a private rim tour. As a kind of > wedding gift he gave > us this piece of glass like material which he found > on the rim some > thirteen years ago . It has some grayish flakes > included and even clearly > visible flowlines. It has a kind of tektite like > exterior. It is no > fulgurite for sure but what is it?? > > Anyone who can help us with this?. I haven't seen > any of this before. > > http://www.heavenlybodies.nl/mercurius/images3/glassz.jpg > > http://www.heavenlybodies.nl/mercurius/images3/glass2z.jpg > > Thanks!! > Jan > www.heavenlybodies.nl > IMCA# 9833 > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Announcing a New German Iron Meteorite!
Hello everyone! We are extremely pleased to announce a New German Iron meteorite! This is only the 12th iron meteorite to ever be found in Germany and it is a spectacular, sculpted specimen. We are leaving it in an 'as found' condition for now with the exception of windowing a small area and etching it. Surprisingly, it has a brilliant micro-etch pattern somewhat reminescent to our New NWA 2428! We are accepting offers and you can check out this unique German iron on our website. Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-Announcing a New German Iron Meteorite!
Hi Matt and all thanks for your emails. Sounds like a pretty interesting bomb. Do you guys have any photos that you can share with us of the 'etch' and are you sure it was a bomb fragment? The etch on this specimen looks remarkably similar to NWA 2428 which has a 12% nickel content. At this point in time we have no firm plans of getting it classified. If a buyer wants to get it classifed (to make sure its not a "bomb shrapnel") that will be great, but for right now we are reluctant to chop off a chunk of this otherwise very sculptural specimen and ruin its aesthetics. We are working on getting a non-destructive nickel test performed. Cheers -John & Dawn --- Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi John: > Interesting find. Has this been classified? > Not to burst a bubble but I have seen bomb shrapnel > etched like that. > Wondering... > === > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > ebay id: mhmeteorites > > > > Arizona Skies Meteorites wrote: > > >Hello everyone! We are extremely pleased to > announce a > >New German Iron meteorite! This is only the 12th > iron > >meteorite to ever be found in Germany and it is a > >spectacular, sculpted specimen. We are leaving it > in > >an 'as found' condition for now with the exception > of > >windowing a small area and etching it. > Surprisingly, > >it has a brilliant micro-etch pattern somewhat > >reminescent to our New NWA 2428! We are accepting > >offers and you can check out this unique German > iron > >on our website. > > > >Cheers > > > > > >-John & Dawn > >Arizona Skies Meteorites > >http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com > > > >Arizona Skies Meteorites > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Ad-Announcing a New German Iron Meteorite!
Hi Norbert and thanks for your information about your wrongs! Yes, we may just have to go ahead and cut a sample off of it to make sure that it is what we think it is. We'll keep you posted! Cheers -John & Dawn --- Norbert Classen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi John & Dawn, > > Unfortunately, Matt might be right with his > bombshell comment. Being from > Germany, I and my partners received several iron > wrongs that revealed a > peculiar (often martensitic) etch pattern. I always > felt I finally had the > real thing, but then, after an analysis in the lab, > all (so far) five > samples turned out to be terrestrial, with a > Ni-content of below 0,3%. Alpha > iron (usually with a martensitic structure) often > reveals an etch pattern, > and that doesn't seem to mean too much. Hover, I > hope that you really have > the real thing here - so don't get me wrong. I just > want to share my own > experience with "German irons". My best wrong is a > mass of several tons (!), > looking very much like Mundrabilla II. Man, that > would have been the find of > my life, but in the end, and after three independent > test in three different > labs I had to accept that it turned out to be > another (big) bummer... > > A nickel test would be the right thing to do, and > you won't need that much > to have it performed in a qualified lab. Hope it > will test positive! > > All the best, > Norbert > IMCA #7606 > > -Ursprngliche Nachricht- > > > Hello everyone! We are extremely pleased to announce > a > New German Iron meteorite! This is only the 12th > iron > meteorite to ever be found in Germany and it is a > spectacular, sculpted specimen. We are leaving it in > an 'as found' condition for now with the exception > of > windowing a small area and etching it. Surprisingly, > it has a brilliant micro-etch pattern somewhat > reminescent to our New NWA 2428! We are accepting > offers and you can check out this unique German iron > on our website. > > Cheers > > > -John & Dawn > Arizona Skies Meteorites > http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com > > Arizona Skies Meteorites > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Ebay Auctions Ending Soon-huge Odessa, Taza, Brahin, etc...
Hello all...Just a reminder-we have a number of ebay auctions ending in just a few hours, many undervalued. These include a huge Odessa Iron with no reserve which is currently selling for just $0.18 per gram, brahin, superb etched Taza, and a huge Muonionalusta slab. We have also listed several more slices of our rare Saharan irons to replace those that sold. If you are interested in viewing any of these or any of our other auctions please feel free to follow the link below. Thanks! -John & Dawn http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZarizonaQ5fskiesQ5fmeteoritesQ5fpowerQ5fsellers Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Ebay Huge 1.28 kg Gibeon End-Cut Available! NO RESERVE
Hi all...If anyone is looking for a large Gibeon end-cut we have just listed one starting off at just one cent w/ No Reserve! This is a 5 day listing, and is for an unusual (heat altered?) Gibeon end piece with beautiful natural thumb-printed crust. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6521403344&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1 Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-Ebay Sale-Huge Amgala, Gao just 1 cent, Many more too!
Hi everyone...We have just listed a spectacular huge, nearly fully crusted Amgala for just one cent with NO RESERVE! We have also listed listed a number of very nice Gaos for just a penny, as well as numerous other spectacular specimens, many still a steal! Check out the big Gibeon end-cut which ends in about 22 hours. To see these please go to the following URL: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZarizonaQ5fskiesQ5fmeteoritesQ5fpowerQ5fsellers Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-HUGE Odessa Iron just 1 cent on ebay plus many more!
Hello everyone! For those of you that love big irons & rare irons we have just listed a wonderful 15.9 Lb Odessa iron starting at just 1 cent with NO RESERVE! We also have several auctions for extremely rare NEW Irons ending in just a few minutes. We also have a number of other rare meteorites selling for just a fraction of their value. To check out these and our other auctions to to: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZarizonaQ5fskiesQ5fmeteoritesQ5fpowerQ5fsellers Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad-GORGEOUS, BIG Amgala NO RES on Ebay & many others!
Hi everyone. We have a really beautiful 119g Amgala ending in a few hours and it is currently going for just $2.39/g! We also have a wide variety of other auctions running many starting at just one penny with NO RESERVE! You can check out the Amgala and other great auctions here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZarizonaQ5fskiesQ5fmeteoritesQ5fpowerQ5fsellers Thanks for looking! Cheers -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thin Section Book
Hello Michael and all. Yes, we received our copy yesterday and it is beautiful. Definitely a must for the serious meteorite collector/enthusiast! -John --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > Marvin Killgore's photographic book on > meteorite thin sections > arrived in today's mail: A COLOR ATLAS OF METEORITES > IN THIN SECTION. > It has 4 to 6 photos of 75 different > meteorite types (IE L1.1, L3.2, > LL4, H5, R, EH, etc.) > The photos are superb. > This is ALMOST the text I have been waiting > for for years. It does > NOT include an introduction and overview of > diagnosing the composition > of meteorites via cross polarized analysis - exactly > - though much in that > regard can be gleaned from what is written. It is, > essentially, a > photographic overview of ALL stone meteorite types > in thin section. > I consider it a mind boggling masterpiece of superb > quality. > While I "pre-ordered" the book, and got one > of the very first > delivered, the books are now done and in transit to > Marvin & Kitty's. > Anyone who wants one (I can't imagine a thin section > collector that > could live without this text) can order it for $98 > +$6 shipping in the > US or $10 shipping over seas. > (I in no way benefit from sales - it is just > something I think all > TS aficionados will be thrilled to have). > Best wishes, Michael > > > __________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria
Hi Michael and Martin! Prince Joe is hilarious! I love the photo of him with the church's "logo" painted in red paint on his portly chest. The only thing that the "prince" would look better in that that red paint is a black & white striped jump suit! Thanks for sharing Martin! -John http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "the case of "Prince Joe Eboe" had me laughing > harder than Proud Tom! > Too cool! Michael > > > > on 4/20/05 11:01 AM, Martin Altmann at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hi Michael, > > > > falls under the category: Scam. > > > > A really cool side, where some made great jokes > with that scammers and turnd > > the thing vice versa, you'll find here: > > http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm > > > > Best I like the case of "Prince Joe Eboe": > > http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm > > > > In the Hall of Shame, you'll find funny pictures > of those, who are behind > > those spams, where you're promised to get 20% of > 23Mio USD ect. > > http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room.htm > > > > Enjoy! > > Martin > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mike Farmer & Melody" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteoriteshow" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - > Nigeria > > > > > >> Hi All, > >> Since the last survey of the list > resulted in 26% of the members > >> responding that they considered themselves > meteorite dealers, I post > >> this to the entire list: > >> > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > -- > "You and I do not see things as they are. We see > things as we are." > -Herb Cohen > -- > If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still > a foolish thing. > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Large Gibeon, Amgala, etc all just 1 cent on ebay!!!
Hello everyone! We have just listed a beautiful, 7+ pound Sculpted Gibeon, a nice Amgala, a Gao lot, large Brahin and more all starting at just 1 cent with NO Reserve! To check out these and other great auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZarizonaQ5fskiesQ5fmeteoritesQ5fpowerQ5fsellers Cheers & thanks for looking! -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New database
Hi Jeff and thanks for making this searchable database available. It will undoubtedly be a very useful resource. Would it be possible to have a link to high quality photos of the meteorites included in the dataase? I am sure that people would be very willing to send photos of representative specimens. Thanks for your efforts! -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com --- Jeff Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If anybody would like to test this, I'm putting a > new database on-line which, > when finalized, will be the authoritative place to > search for meteorite > names and their status. > > http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php > > Comments, suggestions and bug reports are welcome! > > Enjoy, > > Jeff > > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cranbourne IRON QUESTION
Hi SteveI believe the old IIICD group is now considered to be part of the IAB group (subclass LM). If you want to read more about this I can send you a pdf. Cheers -John --- "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi list.I have a meteorite question.According to > meteorites A TO Z,it says > cranbourne is a IAB og.But according to a piece on > ebay,the seller has it > listed as an IIICD.I am wondering what is correct? > > > steve > > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > > > Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! > > > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Who is this meteorite dealer???
Hi allWe're trying to get in touch with a meteorite dealer that was at the Munich show. We have posted a photo here: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/Who_Is_This/index.html If anyone knows who this is and how we may contact him please email us off list. Thanks for your help! -John & Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nigerian Scammers Having some fun
Hi Kevin and MarcActually the nigerian scammer baiting was a list topic a month or so agoMartin Altman came up with a very amusing website dedicated to scamming the scammers. The story of Prince Joe Eboe was quite fun. http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm Cheers -John --- Kevin Fly Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/index.html > > Mark - > Check out this website -- This guy has take that > sport to a WHOLE new level > I have only had time to follow two or so of his > story lines with these > idiots, but he gives > them the major jerk-around in a hilarious fashion. > One of the better > websites I have > ever seen. > Fly Hill > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Classification of NWA 1877?
Hi Ken...It was classified as an olivine-rich diogenite. You can read more about it here: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=17510 Cheers -John --- "KENNETH I. SAICHEK, Ph.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, all! > > Can anyone give me the classification for NWA 1877? > It was found too late > to be included in both Grady's Catalogue (5th ed.) & > online Catalogue, as > well as "A to Z" (2nd ed.). > > Thanks! > > Ken Saichek > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A statement in regards to NWA 3133
phy. Amazing that in images on the > CD-ROM taken at 1800x one > > can not find any polishing marks. He is a master. > Still some slices of > this > > rare material available, and at the current price > there isn't any > recouping > > the cut/polishing losses. > > > > > http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/nwa2653.htm > > > > Rob Wesel > > http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > > -- > > We are the music makers... > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Bob King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:50 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rob Wesel's NWA 2653 - > cool! > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > After the discussion on the list regarding the > classification of NWA > 2653 > > > (primitive ungrouped achondrite) I thought I'd > just share my > > > observations of a small slice I purchased from > Rob. The polish is so > > > mirror perfect that under the scope at 10x and > 30x I was able to look > > > 'deep' into the matrix of glass-like, > interlocked pale orange and red > > > crystals. Almost like looking through very > transparent water into the > > > deeps. The crystalline appearance reminded me > right away of a ureilite. > > > Amazing networks of narrow black veins (shock?) > threaded through > > > some of the crystal fields and small, metal > inclusions were scattered > > > throughout. No chondrules or remnants were seen. > This was one > > > fascinating rock that made for an evening's > microscopic adventure. A > > > CD of 48 high quality images was included. > Looking at the photos was > > > like walking through a gallery of modern art. > Very nice! > > > Bob > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A statement in regards to NWA 3133
Hi AdamIf your description was used in a scientific journal or published article then anyone can use it as long as they cite the proper source-that is just the way scientific literature is used. If, on the other hand, it was a prosaic description written by you and used in your ebay ad then you have a right to complain about someone else copying your wording. This has happened to us also and can be a bit annoying. Cheers -John --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear John and List, > > I have no debate in regards to what you said about > the NSF. I am sure the > institution funded by the NSF would not like their > work taken out of context > just to improve a dealer's sells on an unofficial > pairing. We funded the > initial studies and copyrighted our descriptions so > they should never be > used without our permission. When a collaborating > laboratory requests a > sample of NWA 3133 you can bet they want to make > sure they are working with > the same material that was studied not an improperly > or unofficially defined > pairing. My main statement is dealers should learn > how to describe their > own pieces and not depend on other dealer's > descriptions. > > Kind Regards, > > > Adam Hupe > The Hupe Collection > Team LunarRock > IMCA 2185 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - Original Message - > From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A statement in regards > to NWA 3133 > > > > Adam hupe stated: > > > > "Data from an abstract used to describe NWA 3133, > not > > any other meteorite, is > > being used in reference to other [paired] > meteorites." > > > > Adam -Scientists always make reference to studies > > published by other scientists in their own > writings. > > This is referred to "citation" of the studies. > > Frequently scientists will actually make a direct > > quotation of another scientist's published or > > unpublished study. When a reference or quotation > is > > made regarding another study, the scientist will > > parenthetically give the name of the author of the > > study along with the date, and will give the > entire > > reference in the bibliography. For example (Smith > & > > Jones, 2004). This is a normal, accepted and > > encouraged part of the scientific process. No > > permission is required to quote other peoples > > published studies. > > > > > > Adam went on to state: > > > > "NWA 3133 is still under intense study, the > > NSF has spent a great > > deal of funds in the pursuit of the testing of NWA > > 3133 and for someone to > > borrow this work to describe another stone is > wrong." > > > > Actually, any work paid for by NSF is paid for by > the > > tax payers of this country. NSF has a strict > policy > > that all research paid for by the NSF is to be > shared > > (at no cost) with the scientific community or > anyone > > that requests the data from any published study. > This > > is an obvious requirement as NSF studies are > funded by > > the public. The data that you mention is not > "private" > > property, and it is meant to be shared. The whole > > point of NSF is to fund studies that will provide > data > > that can be used by others. In other words anyone > can > > use any published study about any meteorite for > any > > purpose that he or she wishes provided they cite > the > > source. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Dear List: > > > > > > I just want to make a few points clear since NWA > > > 3133, one of our meteorites > > > was brought up again. We spend a lot of time and > > > money researching our > > > material and all of our descriptions and images > are > > > copyrighted. We checked > > > with ebay and they honor all copyright laws and > in > > > some cases have already > > > enforced them our behalf. As long as somebody > asks > > > permission we usually do > > > not have a problem sharing our work. > > > > > > This being said, Rob did check with us in > regards to > > > his mat
