Re: [meteorite-list] Confirmed September 2012 BLM Regulations.

2013-02-07 Thread Bryan Couch
Good info Count thanks

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
Dare to fail

On Feb 6, 2013, at 9:47 PM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:48:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
 Subject: Fw: Meteorite Instructional Memo
 
 Hi All,
 
 In the process of planning new collecting trips in Arizona, Utah and Nevada, 
 I confirmed with BLM the latest regulations concerning the collection of 
 meteorites on Federal Land. (Private property and State owned land are 
 subject to different law and regulations.). The attached message has a link 
 to the current, nationally implimented, Federal regulations sent to me by Dan 
 Erbes, Nevada Lands Manager, Carson City, Nevada - BLM.
 
 Metal detectors and magnets are an allowable device for aid in the casual 
 collecting of meteorites. A limit of ten pounds PER PERSON annually. I was 
 told that if you find a thirty pound individual, or individuals, just make 
 sure you have three people involved. Permits are available for scientific 
 collection and commercial activities. Amendments have already been discussed, 
 but not approved, to take care of the obvious unworkability of some aspects 
 of the commercial permit regs, especailly the fee based on the estimated 
 value of the land to be hunted.
 
 http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/regulations/Instruction_Memos_and_Bulletins/national_instruction/2012/IM_2012-182.html
 
 Good hunting,
 
 Count Deiro 
 IMCA 3536 
   
   

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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy

2012-12-02 Thread Bryan Couch
Nick I'm with you, I think if we can get the FACTS out together we can make a 
change. All the finger pointing is pointless to point of making things worse. 
Wow a lot of points there. Most all activity is in some way regulated on fed 
land and we were lucky enough to skirt regulation so long so I agree we need to 
try to mold the new regulations to work for us. So what ever you need count me 
in. In the mean time you can find me out there just rock hounding.  

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
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On Dec 2, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D. nick.gess...@duke.edu 
wrote:

 I think if we work together we can make some changes:
 
 I just wrote to the editor of MAPS suggesting that it was time for a 
 rejoinder to Schmitt's article.
 I also suggested that I will put my 18 students on the task of data-mining 
 the Meteoritical Data
 Base for information on who found what, who analyzed what, what institutions 
 received what, 
 etc., to get some quantitative information on the contribution of all of us 
 to advancing the science
 of meteoritics.  Having a background in Anthropology, I think I can prepare a 
 more realistic view
 of what is going on than Schmitt.  Also, having practiced archaeology 
 professionally, I think I 
 may be in a good position to argue that meteorites have no relation to 
 Antiquities or even 
 fossils.  
 
 I think we need to pull together as much validly collected information on the 
 recovery and trade
 in meteorites, not only by hunters, but by institutions, both historically 
 and at present.  I think
 the drafters of the BLM legislation do not see the realities of the public's 
 interest in meteorites
 and their contribution to the community at large.
 
 A well-written questionnaire sent out to all interested parties might also 
 serve us well.  But let's 
 spend the time to design one well before we circulate it.
 
 We also need not just to express our opposition to their legislation, but to 
 propose something
 to replace it with.  
 
 I am willing to pull together as much information as I can, in collaboration 
 and with the help of
 others on this list, and also begin to consult (in a less biased manner than 
 Schmitt) with professionals,
 amateurs and dealers.  
 
 I have to teach and deal with other matters, so I cannot digest all your 
 postings at one sitting.  I will,
 with some encouragement, try to pull much of this together and post it on the 
 Web.
 
 I will start to do some work on this beginning in January and perhaps by the 
 time many of us get
 together in Tucson, we can sit together and do some planning.  Later we can 
 take our work to 
 the MAPS to see if they concur.
 
 Nick
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wanted - Alamo Breccia

2012-10-17 Thread Bryan Couch
Craig 
Send me your address and I will send you a nice chunk. You will have to cut and 
polish it yourself. Glad to help. 

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
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On Oct 17, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Craig Moody meteoritesno...@hotmail.ca wrote:

 
 Hello List:
 I am looking for a nice small piece of Alamo Breccia at a reasonable price.  
 If you are willing to trade, I have some nice Black Onaping and Wanapitei 
 Breccia samples. 
 Thanks,
 Craig 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 17 Desert Meteorites

2012-10-13 Thread Bryan Couch
Great job John way to go. 

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
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On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:57 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Congratulations goes out to Met-Listee John Harrison and his hunting partner, 
 Nola Lightheart, for getting their meteorites into the MetBull.
 Johns first find in the Met Bulletin was Yelland 001. 
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=54765
 
 Bob V.
 
 --- On Fri, 10/12/12, Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 17 Desert Meteorites
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Friday, October 12, 2012, 3:55 PM
 Greetings again Bulletin Watchers,
 
 I jumped the gun with the previous post, and there were 17
 more approvals today.  All are desert meteorites and they
 are all OC's.
 One is a melt-rock.
 
 Link - 
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

2012-09-30 Thread Bryan Couch
Pat you asked, Pat 
 
 
 Are finds made before the 'new' rule exempt of the selling/bartering 
 requirement?
From what I read on the blm sites in the past and told by one blm officer that 
was in effect before this memo was sent. It just that the rules were so vague 
that almost all the offices had their own rules this new one spells it out 
clear which is in some ways good but they keep tightening the noose. 

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
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On Sep 30, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Pat Brown scientificlifest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 Hi Norm and the List, 
 
 Norm, I agree with you that for those of us who are not interested in selling 
 the 
 meteorites that we find on BLM land the 'new' rules are not a problem. In 
 fact the 
 new rules explicitly grant ownership (with some limits about selling or 
 bartering) 
 of the first 9.999 pounds of meteorites to the finder.
 
 The general rule stating that 'the meteorite belongs to the land owner' could 
 easily be 
 interpreted as all meteorites found on all federal lands belong to the US 
 government. 
 This 'new' rule says that with some limitations the meteorite belongs to the 
 finder. 
 
 For the professional hunters who want to profit from their finds, there is a 
 clear route to 
 be able to be able to do so. I hate bigger government and more rules in 
 general. However, 
 if I were to sell, I would want to know that I could do so without a 
 governmental claim of
 ownership. Yes, there is some paperwork and delay. 
 
 Just my 2 cents worth.
 
 Best Regards, 
Pat 
 
 Are finds made before the 'new' rule exempt of the selling/bartering 
 requirement?
 
 
 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:17:21 -0700
 From: nlehr...@nvbell.net
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
 
 All,
 
 I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS
 something I don't understand. Meteorite collecting has previously fallen 
 under
 the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a
 specific policy that is no great change from the past rules. I am quite sure 
 I
 will be hugey chastised for my ignorance. Please correct me if I missed
 something.
 
 The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or one rock. Now it's 10 pounds and no
 provision for the big one with respect to meteorites. How often will that
 actually afect us? Almost never. The use of motorized vehicles off marked
 roads is also a general policy, not just for us. Metal detectors are 
 explicitly
 allowed. Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine.
 
 Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing 
 guideline.
 Find a monster? It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should 
 get
 some benefit. This is no change. If you want to harvest building stones or
 ornamental boulders, you pay a fee. We will too. No real change.
 
 I see no great disaster here. Just a formalization of a specific policy, 
 thanks
 (?) to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms. Of course they had 
 to
 get explicit. It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the
 rules we were all subject to before now. Or did no one understand this? Yes,
 they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be 
 amazed
 if this involves changes in the law. Just enforcement of those already 
 extant.
 At worst with fairly minor changes.
 
 Have at it. I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly. What am I missing?
 
 Best,
 Norm (www.tektitesource.com)
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Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM Rules

2012-09-26 Thread Bryan Couch
Michael,
I totally agree I think that this whole thing is blown out of proportion, the 
way I see it is the rules are almost the same the blm has previously stated 
that selling or bartering of meteorites on blm land is not permitted. I do feel 
for those that make a living at this due to the crazy permit requirements. But 
for me it makes it clear that I can hunt and keep what I find. As for the ten 
pound limit I think it would be unlikely that someone could meet the ten pound 
limit in a year so to me that's no big deal. And I too have a use permit for 
ivanpah dry lake and yes it only gives me the right to drive to the staging 
area and the use of the lake but nowhere states anything about the use of 
magnets or metel detectors ?? Also I don't think the blm has ever had or for 
sure now have the man power to police. I have spent more days then I wish to 
count over the last 30 years or more using blm land and can count on one hand 
the amount of times I've even seen a ranger in the field. This changes nothing 
for me I will still hunt and spend my time on public land as I like as it is 
still public. Don't get me wrong there are bad policy and that this is. 

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
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On Sep 26, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote:

 Adam, you wrote: ...You can no longer use four-wheelers, off-road
 vehicles or bicycles to aid in your search because they are motorized
 or mechanical.
 
 I believe you are misinterpreting the following statement from the BLM's memo:
 Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and
 non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used);
 
 This statement refers to the actual act of collecting the meteorite,
 not how you arrived at the location.  Extrapolating your line of
 thinking we could not use an automobile to get to the hunt location
 either, nor would you be able to wear glasses or use a radio or gps.
 The intent of this statement is to keep people from using backhoes,
 bulldozers, and steam shovels to dig up public lands; this advisory
 memo does not supersede other approved land uses for the area you are
 it.  If it is legal to ride an ATV or a bicycle where you are hunting
 for meteorites then using your ATV or bicycle in your hunt is ok, too.
 I seriously doubt anyone could call a magnet on a stick mechanical
 and have it hold any water (although protestors can no longer have
 sticks to hold their signs up because the sticks are considered
 weapons...).
 
 So far the BLM staff I have spoken with think this memo is much ado
 about nothing, and I hope that perception sticks until our community
 can work with the BLM to produce a policy that is fair to everyone
 involved.
 
 -Michael in so. Cal.
 
 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I think you have to turn over the entire meteorite if it weighs more than 10 
 pounds or leave it where it sits to the
 benefit of no one.  You can no longer use four-wheelers, off-road
 vehicles or bicycles to aid in your search because they are motorized or 
 mechanical.  A magnet on a stick could also be considered mechanical
 and this was mentioned to me by a BLM agent before these new rules were
 even in place besides it would not be a casual search if you are using
 tools. Giving it to a friend to sell will only result in getting him/her in 
 trouble. The barter clause covers this.  Just like taxes, all of the 
 loop-holes or breaks have nearly been closed.
 
 
 I noticed that dealers are becoming smart and new eBay listing of U.S.
 meteorites possibly found on federal land has dropped off considerable
 including Franconia, Gold Basin, Sacramento Wash and some Nevada dry
 lake finds.  I have a feeling there will be some busts soon.  It will be 
 interesting to see what happens in Tucson at the show.
 
 I think the best advice is to stay away from the media on U.S. finds and
 lay low.  We do not need any more attention at this critical juncture
 were are entire hobby is at stake!  It may be too late.
 
 
 Happy Hunting,
 
 Adam
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
 To: h...@meteorhall.com h...@meteorhall.com
 Cc: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:16 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list]  New BLM Rules
 
 Hello Listers
 
 I know this topic has been reworked and then some but this is what I think.
 I am not a hunter yet :) ( Being in NYC isnt the best place to hunt on land)
 but from what I gather is this from the BLM law for the casual collector
 that finds and meteorite
 
 
 Casual Collection:  Meteorites may be casually collected (i.e., free
 and without a permit), pursuant to BLM’s regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5. In
 accordance with those regulations:
* Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands

Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords

2012-09-07 Thread Bryan Couch
Hi Marc and list,
I think your right with the 
Radar pin pointing the field of fall I think there is no need to hold back 
cords of finds. We all know that they are there and for the most part we all 
know that if you find one the finder will search the whole surrounding area so 
what's the point. And Marc great work on your radar data you for sure have a 
new customer.

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
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On Sep 7, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Marc Fries chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com 
wrote:

 Greetings all
 
I've been talking with a few people about logging the Battle Mountain 
 meteorites, and I'd like to start some discussion on the topic of find 
 coordinates. This is NOT directed at any one person, but I would like to 
 editorialize a bit. I'm getting a lot of push-back about printing find 
 coordinates and I'd like to open the topic to general discussion.
 
Historically, the locations of found meteorites have been a closely 
 guarded secret. That made a lot of sense when meteorite hunting relied most 
 heavily on eyewitness reports. A hunter could easily put in many, many miles 
 of walking before coming across a meteorite. For finds that are made with 
 weather radar, however, I don't think its the same situation. When I post 
 radar analyses, it is like posting a treasure map that says, Go Here.  At 
 that point everyone knows where the meteorites are, and it seems to me that 
 the locations of individual stones aren't nearly as important as they were in 
 the past. (Strewn fields without detailed radar data are another matter, of 
 course.) Where those locations do matter are to A) the science behind 
 describing the meteorite fall, and B) the value of the individual meteorite 
 since a well-documented meteorite should be worth more than a random stone 
 from a given fall.
 
I am a scientist, and my first instinct is to collect, analyze, and 
 -share- data. I understand where that is at odds with the level of secrecy 
 needed in the past, but I think that that level of secrecy is no longer 
 needed and actually works contrary to the value of meteorites, both monetary 
 and scientific. On the Galactic Analytics website, I'm willing to go against 
 my better instincts and hide find locations, at least until a scientific 
 paper is released describing the fall. But to be honest, I think that's a 
 little silly - I'll basically have a table showing meteorites with the find 
 locations redacted, and then you can scroll down the page a bit and see a map 
 showing where the meteorites are.
 
So let me throw this out there as a general question - is it really 
 important to hide the find locations?
 
 Cheers,
 Marc Fries
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Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords

2012-09-07 Thread Bryan Couch
Well said Michael 

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
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On Sep 7, 2012, at 9:35 AM, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote:

 You already have professional riff raffs  that cause trouble ... does not 
 seem to matter. The goal is to get the meteorites out of the field as soon as 
 possible, get them to science, get them to collectors, get them preserved. I 
 say publish all available information as soon as possible ... anything that 
 can aid in the recovery of the meteorites now, instead of later.
 
 Michael Cottingham
 On Sep 7, 2012, at 10:30 AM, dorifry wrote:
 
 Keeping it secret would weed out the unprofessional riff raffs that could 
 potentially cause problems for everybody.
 
 Phil Whitmer
 Joshua Tree Earth  Space Musuem
 - Original Message - From: Marc Fries 
 chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 11:12 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords
 
 
 Greetings all
 
 I've been talking with a few people about logging the Battle Mountain 
 meteorites, and I'd like to start some discussion on the topic of find 
 coordinates. This is NOT directed at any one person, but I would like to 
 editorialize a bit. I'm getting a lot of push-back about printing find 
 coordinates and I'd like to open the topic to general discussion.
 
 Historically, the locations of found meteorites have been a closely guarded 
 secret. That made a lot of sense when meteorite hunting relied most heavily 
 on eyewitness reports. A hunter could easily put in many, many miles of 
 walking before coming across a meteorite. For finds that are made with 
 weather radar, however, I don't think its the same situation. When I post 
 radar analyses, it is like posting a treasure map that says, Go Here.  At 
 that point everyone knows where the meteorites are, and it seems to me that 
 the locations of individual stones aren't nearly as important as they were 
 in the past. (Strewn fields without detailed radar data are another matter, 
 of course.) Where those locations do matter are to A) the science behind 
 describing the meteorite fall, and B) the value of the individual meteorite 
 since a well-documented meteorite should be worth more than a random stone 
 from a given fall.
 
 I am a scientist, and my first instinct is to collect, analyze, and -share- 
 data. I understand where that is at odds with the level of secrecy needed 
 in the past, but I think that that level of secrecy is no longer needed and 
 actually works contrary to the value of meteorites, both monetary and 
 scientific. On the Galactic Analytics website, I'm willing to go against my 
 better instincts and hide find locations, at least until a scientific paper 
 is released describing the fall. But to be honest, I think that's a little 
 silly - I'll basically have a table showing meteorites with the find 
 locations redacted, and then you can scroll down the page a bit and see a 
 map showing where the meteorites are.
 
 So let me throw this out there as a general question - is it really 
 important to hide the find locations?
 
 Cheers,
 Marc Fries
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoroids Change Atmospheres of Earth, Mars, Venus

2012-09-04 Thread Bryan Couch
Interesting thanks Ron

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On Sep 4, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov wrote:

 
 http://www.space.com/17440-meteoroids-mars-venus-atmospheres.html  
 
 Meteoroids Change Atmospheres of Earth, Mars, Venus
 by Nola Taylor Redd
 space.com
 04 September 2012
 
 Meteoroids streaking through the atmospheres of planets such as Earth,
 Mars and Venus can change these worlds' air, in ways that researchers
 are just now beginning to understand.
 
 Most planetary atmospheres are made up of simple, low-mass elements and
 compounds such as carbon dioxide, oxygen and nitrogen. But when a debris
 particle, or meteoroid passes through, it can shed heavier, more exotic 
 elements such as magnesium, silicon and iron.
 
 Such elements can have a significant impact on t
 dynamics of winds in the atmosphere, researchers say.
 
 That opens up a whole new network of chemical pathways not usually
 there, said Paul Withers of Boston University. 
 
 Contaminating the outer layers
 
 Part of a planet's upper atmosphere, the ionosphere contains plasma - a
 mixture of positively charged (ionized) atoms or molecules and the
 negatively charged electrons stripped from them. When simple elements
 such as oxygen move into this outer shell, they break apart easily,
 decaying in a matter of minutes.
 
 But meteoroids streaking toward a planet's surface carry heavier metals
 that can be removed in a variety of ways. A grain of dust, for instance,
 may rapidly burn up, shedding already-ionized magnesium as it falls. Or,
 neutral magnesium may be torn from the small rock, then receive a charge
 from sunlight or from stripping an electron from another particle. The
 newly charged elements can take as much as a full day to decay.
 
 Meteoroids that blaze a trail through the atmosphere are called meteors,
 or shooting stars, Only those that make it to the ground are meteorites.
 
 When we add metal ions to the ionosphere as a result of this meteoroid
 input, we create plasma in regions where there wasn't any plasma there
 to start out with, Withers told SPACE.com.
 
 In a recent article for Eos, the American Geophysical Union's newspaper
 covering Earth and space sciences, Withers discusses important questions
 raised by the recent wealth of research on the upper atmosphere of Mars
 and Venus.
 
 Shocking similarities, strange differences
 
 Over the last decade, scientists have collected more and more
 information about the ionospheres of Mars and Venus. Though one might
 envision the composition and location of the two planets would create
 different interactions in the ionosphere, the two are actually very
 similar, scientists say. 
 
 If you stand at the surface of the two planets, they are very
 different, Withers said. But up at about 100 kilometers (62 miles),
 conditions are surprisingly similar.
 
 The pressures, temperatures, and chemistry at high altitudes are
 comparable for the two planets. So too are many of the properties of the
 layers of charged particles shed by meteoroids.
 
 The plasma densities are quite similar on average on all three planets,
 which is not what you might expect on the first impression, Withers
 said, referring to Earth, Mars and Venus.
 
 Since the sun is the ultimate driving force for most ionization
 processes, it's tempting to assume that Venus has more particles in a
 given area than Mars does because it orbits twice as closely to our
 star. Instead, the two planets have similar densities, which differ from
 Earth's measurements by only a factor of ten.
 
 At the same time, the layers affected by the meteoroids on Earth are
 very narrow, maybe only a mile or two wide, while Venus and Mars both
 have layers stretching six to eight miles.
 
 According to Withers, the difference may come from the presence of
 Earth's strong magnetic field, a feature lacking on the other two 
 planets. But scientists aren't certain how much of a role the field 
 actually plays.
 
 Finding the source
 
 To study Earth's ionosphere, scientists can launch rockets to
 take measurements in the region. But the process is more complicated for
 other planets.
 
 As a spacecraft travels through the solar system, a targeted radio
 signal sent back to Earth can be aimed through the ionosphere of a
 nearby planet. Plasma in the ionosphere causes small but detectable
 changes in the signal that allow scientists to learn about the upper
 atmosphere.
 
 This process - known as radio occultation - doesn't require any fancy
 equipment, only the radio the craft already uses to communicate with
 scientists on Earth.
 
 It's really one of the workhorse planetary science instruments,
 Withers said.
 
 Because it is so simple, the process has been applied to every planet
 ever visited by spacecraft.
 
 Only in recent years has enough data come back on Venus and Mars to
 seriously

Re: [meteorite-list] First meteorite found at Battle Mountain!

2012-09-03 Thread Bryan Couch
Congrats Bob and Moni on your new Nevada find you two rock. 

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
Dare to fail

On Sep 3, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Doug Ross d...@dougross.net wrote:

 There they go again!  ;-)  Big congratulations to Bob and Moni on their 
 latest conquest!
 
 Doug Ross
 
 
 Greetings
 
 I am very pleased to announce that Bob and Moni Verish have found the first 
 meteorite from the Battle Mountain meteorite fall, which occurred on 22 
 August 2012! They have located a 19.25g meteorite that appears to be an H 
 chondrite at first examination. According to the Meteoritical Society 
 database, this makes Bob and Moni the first to ever recover an observed fall 
 in the state of Nevada!  We offer our hearty congratulations for this 
 history-making find!
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2012-09-02 Thread Bryan Couch
Vary nice. 

Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
Dare to fail

On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:00 AM, valpar...@aol.com wrote:

 Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Sikhote Alin
 
 Contributed by: Arlene Schlazer
 
 http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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