Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
Dear List, and Norm, WOW! In this thread the only 2 things that has been said that is counter-productive for anyone just getting started in the search for meteorites is, Norm's disrespectful comments! (for 1) This is one of those stories with to good to be true overtones. Norm I have been on the list for 3.5-4 years, I was brought up and raised to be respectful to other people in this small farming town.You do not know anything about me...so why would you make a comment like that! The second comment by you is compairing the glacier area of ( NE WA.) to that of OHIO-INDIANA) WHAT??? That is like compairing the moon to mars ! Norm, for the past 35 years out of my 51, I have been a amateur Archaeologist, I have found over 450 artifacts in 4 counties in south west Ohio, I can Identify each and everyone, I have recorded all my finds. I have discovered 20 village sites! And for the past 35 years, I have been an amateur geologist, I can Identify the common rock typs that are Igneous, sedimentary and metamorphic. My favorite rocks to collect are the one of a kind, metamorphic rocks, and the basalts with subporphyritic texture.(like what is found in some achondrites) So if i may, let me tell you all about the morianes in Ohio and Indiana. On top of of the rocks(morians) is 8-10 inch's. of a sandy soil. (thats is where after 6 years of searching I found my 1st meteorite 4-9-2011) There are not that many glacier rocks, But a few, But also since 4-9. I found 2 fluted clovis points, in the same mix(there 10-14,000 years old). and 40ty other artifacts in this 8-10' of soil. Now when I walk the hill side it gets very rocky, the soil now is only 4-6deep on the moriane, But guess what in this rocky area is where I found my second banged-up chondrite! (which is different from the 1st!) and my third un-fluted paleo point, about 12 feet away! Now let me tell you a secret I have discovered after walking these rolling hills (morianes) for 35 years. Less then 10% of the rocks even in the rocky areas are brown or black! What color are fresh chondrites.Black, what color are weathered chondrites, BROWN So to all new meteorites hunters, If you can spot the brown marbles in a bag of mixed multi-colored marbles, you can find meteorites even in the rocky hill side of a morianein ohio,indiana, and Illinoise that is. Now back to what I found, yes I am only guessing about there age, most of my UNWA stones are slices, end cuts of have very black fusion crust on them. What I found looks more weathered, So yes I still may be very wrong to there age. Also the glacier ice was 2-5 miles high, the bull-dozer moriane piles are at the bottom of the ice, How long did it take the ice to build befor its advance south, 100,150,000,YEARS? how many meteorites were traped in the ice during that time frame. ? So Norm, I was not talking about the meteorites on the ground before the glacier came, But common sense tells me that any meteorites IN THE ICE, when the ice melts, WILL BE ON TOP OF THE MORIANE. NOW FOR THE ID COMMENTS! 20 DEALERS ON HERE SALE, unwa-chondrites, I have got them and other meteorites from 4 of you. (they are 100%) gurenteed to be meteorites? So for what I know about rocks, in my area, and the pictures of what you all sold me, know that they are real meteorites! Now, after 6 years of searching for meteorites, only after 4-9-2011 Have I found 2 stones that, look like chondrites. There is now doubt that are both chondrites. There are NO OTHER ROCKS ON EARTH, THAT LOOK LIKE a L or H chondrite! so they do not have to be ID, but yes they do need to get classifide. Wow, I cannot waite to here the comments after I post photos of my 3 possiable achondrites I found on the same glacier morian. LOL Here are photos of the glacier moraine I am hunting, The 1st 4 photos are the more rocky hill side, the other photos are the top of the morine that have little rocks showing where I found the 1st meteorite http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.233863486630644.81086.10209843157l=601eb88043 - Original Message From: Norm Lehrman nlehr...@nvbell.net To: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:08:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits All, I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting started in the search for meteorites. The glacier angle is, in this case, thin ice. First, Antarctica is a very special case: in general glacial moraines are an absolutely horrible place to look. I'm with Mike. If you've got genuine meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the moraine deposits. Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place here is to confirm the ID. This is one
Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
Hi E.P. This map is too interesting, this is the glacier map of ohio and I ploted where the last 13 meteorites were found. Butler county is right above Hamilton county,(cincinnati) The meteorites found in hamilton Co. were found in the Hopewell mound (so cant really count them, But look at the other finds. Also the last glacier receded to lake Erie area 18,000 years ago http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.233047543378905.80699.10209843157l=c452407599 - Original Message From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 2:11:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits Hi everyone - Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of weathering, but then - Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways? Dave, thanks for sharing. E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
Hi Tracy All the green areas on the map are high glaicer morians It does not show the smaller ones in Butler county and other countys. There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton county, Has a perfect out line u shaped of a morian on that farm. I want to hunt that really bad. Will ask next them next year. Dave Myers - Original Message From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits That was my thought as well. There seem to be parallels here between the Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by glacier, and the stones you are finding. Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in fields? There is a reason why Moraine, OH was named that! Best! Tracy Latimer From: mikest...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils, like are commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for deeper stones? -Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote: Hi everyone - Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of weathering, but then - Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways? Dave, thanks for sharing. E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
Hi Mike you may be right. But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from the same fall. But they both could be from different falls?? And when you look at the glacier map I posted with all the iron finds in south west ohio, non of them are paired? just my thoughts. Thanks again Dave Myers - Original Message From: meteoriteguy.com m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com Cc: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits Guys, It is very unlikely that these Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a strewnfield like any other. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Tracy All the green areas on the map are high glaicer morians It does not show the smaller ones in Butler county and other countys. There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton county, Has a perfect out line u shaped of a morian on that farm. I want to hunt that really bad. Will ask next them next year. Dave Myers - Original Message From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits That was my thought as well. There seem to be parallels here between the Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by glacier, and the stones you are finding. Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in fields? There is a reason why Moraine, OH was named that! Best! Tracy Latimer From: mikest...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils, like are commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for deeper stones? -Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote: Hi everyone - Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of weathering, but then - Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways? Dave, thanks for sharing. E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 1st-2nd Ohio meteorite
Thanks everyone, I am still in shock! I need metal detector help! I have a whites (I think xlt modle) the older one with the needle, not the newer one that is digt, display. The two fields where I found the two meteorites, I been back over them 3 times each with the metal detector! The good news is I am picking up hot rocks, 3-5 inches down, which is the same as my calibration stone(200 gram .unwa, will get a hit) These two fields are about 50 acers each on this 400 acer farm ( he is farming 4000 acers thow) I might get access? I need a coil ( i think, That will pick up hot rocks and chondrites 8-10 inches down, If there is any more meteorites! (if this is a old fall) Any sugestions. This past week My old school freind did plant, If he planted corn, I can still hunt for a while, anything else its over for the year. the rolls will be too narrow except his two pastures.I can walk them, But the Ticks are bad this year. Thanks for any help. Dave Myers - Original Message From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 11:32:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 1st-2nd Ohio meteorite That is one hell of a cold find, congrats Dave! Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:27 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] 1st-2nd Ohio meteorite Dear List, A few people on here already know, But on 4-9-2011 I found my 1st meteorite here in Butler county Ohio.(very oriented, thumb printed) On the 11th I had a job interview and got hired on the spot after being laid off for some time.(Talk about finding your lucky star) Then on 4-16-2011, I find a broken fragment of a second chondrite on the same farm, which is sitting on a glacier morian. Both of these are so different, But they are chondrites. In the past month I find 5 other stones that look like they could be Achondrites, (will post later) I have no interest in selling meteorites, I think these should go to our local Geology museum which has a cool meteorite display. 6 yeras I was on a mission to find a meteorite, I think now it is complete. I found these out side the small town where I grew - up These would be the 1st chondrites found in Butler county Ohio. The only other meteorite found here is the Fairfeld meteorite (iron) If all the other suspect stones turn out to be meteorites also, then a few miles north of where the last glacier ended in ohio, Indiana and Illinoise is where meteorite hunters should be looking. I think the sandy-gravel soil drains water quickly, and meteorites may be perserved longer then people think. Also I have found 40+ artifacts since april, this farm I had found artifacts 25 years ago. will post them also. The soil is only 8-10 deep on the glacial morian, 5 paleo points have found here, I found 3 of them, Most of the artifacts are Adena Mound builder material. But here is the albums of the two meteorites. Dave Myers 1st meteorite http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231887500161576.80151.10209843157l=424638857c c 2nd meteorite http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231900096826983.80157.10209843157l=62c3665dff f __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives..html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3687 - Release Date: 06/07/11 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1st-2nd Ohio meteorite
Dear List, A few people on here already know, But on 4-9-2011 I found my 1st meteorite here in Butler county Ohio.(very oriented, thumb printed) On the 11th I had a job interview and got hired on the spot after being laid off for some time.(Talk about finding your lucky star) Then on 4-16-2011, I find a broken fragment of a second chondrite on the same farm, which is sitting on a glacier morian. Both of these are so different, But they are chondrites. In the past month I find 5 other stones that look like they could be Achondrites, (will post later) I have no interest in selling meteorites, I think these should go to our local Geology museum which has a cool meteorite display. 6 yeras I was on a mission to find a meteorite, I think now it is complete. I found these out side the small town where I grew - up These would be the 1st chondrites found in Butler county Ohio. The only other meteorite found here is the Fairfeld meteorite (iron) If all the other suspect stones turn out to be meteorites also, then a few miles north of where the last glacier ended in ohio, Indiana and Illinoise is where meteorite hunters should be looking. I think the sandy-gravel soil drains water quickly, and meteorites may be perserved longer then people think. Also I have found 40+ artifacts since april, this farm I had found artifacts 25 years ago. will post them also. The soil is only 8-10 deep on the glacial morian, 5 paleo points have found here, I found 3 of them, Most of the artifacts are Adena Mound builder material. But here is the albums of the two meteorites. Dave Myers 1st meteorite http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231887500161576.80151.10209843157l=424638857c 2nd meteorite http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231900096826983.80157.10209843157l=62c3665dff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] dark flight kmz for TN 4/6/2011
When I seen the flight path, I was hopeing it skiped over Cincinnati and landed on some of our family farms Maybe I will get lucky!lol Dave Myers - Original Message From: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com To: Robert Woolard meteoritefin...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 8:41:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] dark flight kmz for TN 4/6/2011 I think these camera's are going to dial this program in and what we are seeing now is the future. At least at night time. It can only get better! During this meteor, it appears the witness statements show this thing going much further than the cameras do. Jim On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Robert Woolard meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: I echo Jim's sentiments. This is OUR LIST at its best! Best wishes, Robert Woolard --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] dark flight kmz for TN 4/6/2011 To: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 7:25 PM Mike, Bill and all! Thank you guys very much for this. Jim Wooddell __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ??SaharaMet...who are they!
Hi Paul and list, The NYT story is bad enough, But who are these meteorite hunters, Roland and Richard Pelisson who have the Sahara Met website. They claim on there web site that NWA meteorites are International Contraband that support Terrorism. It looks to me that they want all the NWA finds for them selfs. Has anyone ever contacted them? They seem to have had a lot of there meteorites classified in the US. Just wondering if anyone knows these two guys, There does not seem to be much talk about them on this list? Dave Myers - Original Message From: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 7:48:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NYT Story – Overseas and Local Distribution “Overseas list members, if you have the opportunity, please peruse the International Herald Tribune to see if they picked up the story and run it in its entirety.” By searching the International Herald Tribune web site, I found that it was published in this newspaper on April 4 at: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html?_r=1scp=1sq=meteoritesst=cse The entire story also appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald as “Souvenirs from space,” April 7, 2011, http://www.smh.com.au/world/science/souvenirs-from-space-20110406-1d4g9.html Also, it appeared at: 1. rssbroadcast,com, April 4, 2011 http://rssbroadcast.com/?p=40828 http://rssbroadcast.com/?p=40742 2. WA.today, Australia, April 6, 2011. http://www.watoday.com.au/world/science/souvenirs-from-space-20110406-1d4g9.html 3. Yahoo News http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NorthAmexemObservers/message/10634 4. Daily Comet, Lafourche Parish Louisiana http://www.dailycomet.com/article/NY/20110405/ZNYT03/104053033/1225/news100?Title=Black-Market-Trinkets-From-Space 5. A version of the New York Times story, “Il mercato nero dei meteoriti” appeared in the “Post” on April 6, 2011, http://www.ilpost.it/2011/04/06/il-mercato-nero-dei-meteoriti/ This entire text of this article is making the rounds of the Internet. This is something that definitely needs to be considered in any response. It certainly will make preparing an effective response to the article quite difficult as it is being reprinted, in some cases under different titles and in different languages, in a wild range of media outlets. To further complicate matters, the link to this article is being posted a number of web sites. For example; 1. Egyptology News at: http://egyptology.blogspot.com/2011/04/black-market-trinkets-from-space.html 2. environmental reporting at: http://word.emerson.edu/sprg11jr364/2011/04/04/black-market-trinkets-from-space/ and 3. American Scientist http://www.americanscientist.org/science/pub/-1875 Yours, Paul H __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lunar and Mars
Good after noon Everyone! Is there any Hardness data for each of the different Lunar and Mars meteorites and even for all the different typs of achondrites, HED,Eucrites, Aubrites ect. Thanks for any info. Dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] When is a Iron Meteorite too small to have tested.
Dear List, When is a possible iron meteorite too small to have tested? What looks like a tiny oriented iron. Is only 7mm long, 5mm high by 4mm wide. I am not sure what the weight would be? maybe a gram? maybe alot less. No clue. In 2010 I went to my cousins farm, (rock hunting) Got out of my Jeep, walked 30 yards along a hay-field, crossed a creek and started looking at glacier rocks on a gravel bar, when I seen it was stuck to my magnet, I always have my camera, so I took pictures. It seems the surface rust is very thin. It turned black from the oils on my fingers in just a couple of days. I did file a window, it is solid, no gas holes. So I am thinking this may be too small to test, not sure what is required. If I did my own acid etch, and it did produce a widmanstatten pattern, like a Cape York iron, Is that 100% proff that it is a meteorite? I would donate 100% of somthing this small, just to say, I found the 13th, meteorite in Ohio. Like I am sure most people would. Any way here is a facebook link with pictures, for thows interested. I also posted a glacier map of Ohio and plotted all meteorites found here. It is interesting that most were found in the glacier boundry. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=65953id=10209843157l=ae4ac4cc16 dave Myers __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's Hitting Earth?
Hi John and list, I also read a post on here a year ago, where someone said (I think) on average that 2 meteorites land per-square mile every 1000 years?? Is this figure also true. It seems high to me. Dave - Original Message From: John Hendry p...@pict.co.uk To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 5:43:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] What's Hitting Earth? Are there papers supporting the 100 tons per day figure hitting the atmosphere? Of that mass what proportion hits the surface? How are these figures arrived at? Can anyone point me to relevant references please? Thx, John On 01/03/2011 19:40, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, Ron, like you, I thought this was newsworthy and I posted this to the List about 20 hrs ago. But no discussion here at all since then. Strange. Robert Woolard Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov wrote: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/01mar_meteorne t work/ What's Hitting Earth? NASA Science News March 1, 2011: Every day about 100 tons of meteoroids -- fragments of dust and gravel and sometimes even big rocks - enter the Earth's atmosphere. Stand out under the stars for more than a half an hour on a clear night and you'll likely see a few of the meteors produced by the onslaught. But where does all this stuff come from? Surprisingly, the answer is not well known. Now NASA is deploying a network of smart cameras across the United States to answer the question, 'What's Hitting Earth?' Did that meteor you saw blazing through the sky last night come from the asteroid belt? Was it created in a comet's death throes? Or was it a piece of space junk meeting a fiery demise? When I get to work each morning and power up my computer, there's an email waiting with answers, says William Cooke, head of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office. And I don't have to lift a finger, except to click my mouse button. Groups of smart cameras in the new meteor network triangulate the fireballs' paths, and special software^1 uses the data to compute their orbits and email Cooke his morning message. If someone calls me and asks 'What was that?' I'll be able to tell them. We'll have a record of every big meteoroid that enters the atmosphere over the certain parts of the U.S. Nothing will burn up in those skies without me knowing about it! In other U.S. meteor networks, someone has to manually look at all the cameras' data and calculate the orbits - a painstaking process. With our network, our computers do it for us - and fast, says Cooke. The network's first three cameras, each about the size of a gumball machine, are already up and running. Cooke's team will soon have 15 cameras deployed east of the Mississippi River, with plans to expand nationwide^2 . Cooke is actively seeking schools, science centers, and planetaria willing to host his cameras. Criteria are listed in the notes at the end of this story. In addition to tracking fireballs and their orbits, Cooke's system gives him other valuable information. It provides data on meteor speed as a function of size - and this is critical to calibrating the models we use in designing spacecraft. Meteorite hunters will reap benefits too. By determining a bright fireball's trajectory through the atmosphere, the network's software can calculate whether it will plunge to Earth and pinpoint the impact location fairly precisely. And when we collect the meteorite chunks, we'll know their source. I could be holding a piece of Vesta in my hand.^3 It would be like a free sample return mission! Opportunities like that, however, will be rare. Most meteorites fall in the ocean, lakes, forests, farmer's fields, or the Antarctic, says Rhiannon Blaauw, who assists Cooke. And the majority of those meteorites will never be found. But our system will help us track down more of them. All cameras in the network send their fireball information to Cooke and to a public website, fireballs.ndc.nasa.gov. Teachers can contact Cooke at william.j.co...@nasa.gov to request teacher workshop slides containing suggestions for classroom use of the data. Students can learn to plot fireball orbits and speeds, where the objects hit the ground, how high in the atmosphere the fireballs burn up, etc. Cooke gives this advice to students and others who want to try meteor watching on their own: Go out on a clear night, lie flat on your back, and look straight up. It will take 30 to 40 minutes for your eyes to become light adapted, so be patient. By looking straight up, you may catch meteor streaks with your peripheral vision too. You don't need any special equipment -- just your eyes. One more thing -- don't forget to check the website http://fireballs.ndc.nasa.gov/ to find out what you saw! Author: Dauna Coulter Editor: Dr.
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios
Hi Richard and Jeff, I have one Unwa-xxx, that has four irisescence spots on the surface of the black fusion crust? I am going to guess this was caused by metal flecks close to the surface or just the crust it self turning to glass? What is your thoughts on that. Thanks Dave - Original Message From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:57:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Good one Jeff! Of course I was refering to SiO-type...hence the joke. I had a NWAxxx that had a bunch of minute florescing insect webs adhering to the sand-grains, most likely picked up sitting around in someone's basement box for years. They were bright-blue under the scope...also wiped away with a cloth. As for unique olivine characteristics...I have a Brahin slice with minute 'bubbles' in the olivine...anyone seen this before? Richard - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Hi Richard, I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite... Maybe this will help: http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/almahbas.html Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net; Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios A long while ago, before I had a clue who Dr. Ted Bunch was, I was given his name and contacted him with a question about a rock whose interior I thought (at the time) resembled LA001 and would he be interested in seeing it? Sure. Of course I sent it off, and being a newbe I had huge hopes, and of course it was terrestrial...but the great part was that TB gave it attention, and I am honored. (I since know with whom I was corresponding...thanks Dr. Ted for looking; you have my utmost respect.) I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite...a testament to why serious meteoriticist scientist shouldn't be bothered with trivia [sorry Ted:)]... Please, no clones. One is plenty Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Thanks guys - I love rocks and will look at anything that is outside of anyone's pants. Watch it Darryl, a cloning procedure is underway and a TB clone may come and live with you all! Ted On 2/7/11 10:29 AM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: friendly? could there betwo ted bunches out there?!! two steve arnoldsnow two ted bunches?! gary, i second carl's sentiment below. you are indeed a charming, lovely fellow who brightened my days as well.* all best / darryl *as does the tbear ;-) On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote: IMHO Ted Bunch is always friendly. If you ask him an honest question he will go out of his way to give you an answere along with references. He has so little time I think it kind of pisses him off if you waste it. Worse thing you can ask him is look at my rock he must get hundreds of look at my rock questions a month. If you ask him about a type of rock and where to learn more he will go out of his way to help you learn. In my opinion thats friendly! Cheers Steve Dunklee On Mon Feb 7th, 2011 11:16 AM EST cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Gary, It is you that brightened ALL of our days. Just yesterday a few of us were talking about how you fill every room you enter with such positive energy and joy. . It was GREAT to see you and look forward to getting more of your positive energy in the future. You and many others ( too many to list) helped make this my favorite show of all time. Every body was SUPER. Even Ted Bunch was friendly! Ha Ha. That's how good a show this is. (still a week to go). Aloha, Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: While enjoying the ambience of LAX, I am reflecting on the great times I had again this year in Tucson. Great friends, great food, great drink, great rocks, great googlymoogly! Mahalo nui loa to all my brothers and sisters who have opened their hearts to this simple island boy with unbridled aloha. Till next year (and possibly Ensisheim and Denver), a hui hou! Sent from Gary's iPhone
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
Hi List, Some one on hear gave me a link last year, from the NWS, where all national radar data is kept for 5 days, You just type in the city, date and time and you get that radar image. I saved it some where but can't find it right now. maybe someone still has it. Will keep looking. Data after the 5 days can still be gotten But is harder to get. Dave Myers - Original Message From: Marc Fries fr...@psi.edu To: R. Chastain suen...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite-list List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:36:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011 Depending on the radar, the data can go back as far as 1992. All of it is publicly available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at work, as they say. Cheers, Marc Fries On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote: Hi, I have a question about radar data in general. How far back is radar data archived? A few weeks/days/years?? Thanks, Rod --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries fr...@psi.edu wrote: From: Marc Fries fr...@psi.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011 To: Meteorite-list List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM Howdy, all I've received a bunch of requests for radar data so I'll just answer them all here... I pulled all the radar data down last night and did a perusal for fall signatures. I didn't see anything terribly obvious but eyewitness reports were not very specific at the time. I'm out of town working today but will sit down with the radar data (and much better eyewitness reports!) tonight and see what I can find. I'll post the results to my blog so everyone can see them. Cheers, Marc Fries On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on the ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains meteorite fall. The question on this one is whether there was fragmentation, and if there is video of that fragmentation. Fragmentation has been reported by many eye witnesses. A good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well, and quote houses were rattled. Though not definitive it's a very good piece of the puzzle. Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported over a huge area, but as others have noted, it was quite short, so ... Robert Woolard Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try this one. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/ Enjoy... Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;) We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be the real deal. Here's some quotes from the articles: A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina... ...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs ...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a boom... ...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky ...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle Reports still coming in... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
Hi Eric, and list I take alot of storm photos in south-west Ohio, and the local guys at the NWS- Wilmington Ohio, will send me radar images of my storm photos,(date-time of my photos) months later. So I would think if anyone contacted the NWS in a city in the southern States they will do the same, for this meteor image? Here is a example of what I have taken of storms and the radar images that they sent me, months later! I hope it works in the south for someone getting meteorite data. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=25502id=10209843157l=3ae06f2885 Good luck to all! dave myers - Original Message From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 6:37:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011 Sucks that the radar is unreadable. Maybe someone will step up and say their car was smashed by a North American Lunar meteorite. Could you imagine? We can hope... ;) Just a heads up for those still holding out hope, more Fireball reports have been made on AMS: http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireball2/public.php?start_date=2011-01-01end_date=2011-12-31 Articles about the fireball: http://news.google.com/news/more?q=fireballoe=utf-8client=firefox-arlz=1R1GGLL_en___US360um=1hl=enie=UTF-8ncl=dw2iJm6DIXQC3OMzlaYaeruc0jPmMei=KzIuTYzGM5S6sQOGoMnqBgsa=Xoi=news_resultct=more-resultsresnum=7ved=0CFkQqgIwBg Perhaps someone will come forward with some better quality video footage other than bright flashes. Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 1:52 PM, Marc Fries wrote: Here's the NOAA site with all the data: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/nexradinv/ And here's NOAA's free radar image viewing software: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/wct/ There's a FAQ and instructions and what-not in there as well. It's worth the read - there is a fairly extensive learning curve to working with radar data. Cheers, Marc Fries On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:43 PM, R. Chastain wrote: Thanks for the info. I will check out the NOAA site. Rod --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Friesfr...@psi.edu wrote: From: Marc Friesfr...@psi.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011 To: R. Chastainsuen...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite-list Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:36 PM Depending on the radar, the data can go back as far as 1992. All of it is publicly available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at work, as they say. Cheers, Marc Fries On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote: Hi, I have a question about radar data in general. How far back is radar data archived? A few weeks/days/years?? Thanks, Rod --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Friesfr...@psi.edu wrote: From: Marc Friesfr...@psi.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011 To: Meteorite-list Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM Howdy, all I've received a bunch of requests for radar data so I'll just answer them all here... I pulled all the radar data down last night and did a perusal for fall signatures. I didn't see anything terribly obvious but eyewitness reports were not very specific at the time. I'm out of town working today but will sit down with the radar data (and much better eyewitness reports!) tonight and see what I can find. I'll post the results to my blog so everyone can see them. Cheers, Marc Fries On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on the ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains meteorite fall. The question on this one is whether there was fragmentation, and if there is video of that fragmentation. Fragmentation has been reported by many eye witnesses. A good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well, and quote houses were rattled. Though not definitive it's a very good piece of the puzzle. Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported over a huge area, but as others have noted, it was quite short, so ... Robert Woolard Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2011, at 11
Re: [meteorite-list] Shattercone?
Hi Larry and List! I only live 1 hour. away from the Serpent mound crater and have deer hunted there for years, before I new anything about meteorites and shatter cones and even before I knew there was a crater there. The rocks there are (yellow-tan) and the shatter cones from that area are the same color! But your stone looks a lot like a shatter cone that I have seen! This spring I will go too Brush creek (edge of serpent mound), Adams county Ohio and try to find my own shatter cones. Looks like a great stone Larry!congrats! Dave - Original Message From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 12:47:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shattercone? Hi Larry and List, Larry asked: I found this interesting rock close to my home in Lapeer County Michigan while walking in the woods this past September. It sure does look like a genuine shattercone! Congrats! It might be a shattercone from the Sudbury impact but another possibility might be the Serpent Mound structure in Ohio from where shattercones and coesite have been reported! Maybe Paul H. (oxytropidoce...@cox.net) has more on that! Best wishes, Bernd To: thetop...@aol.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
Hi List, Wow.. I was away and just heard the news on here ! My heart and sincerest condolences. to all the victims involved and family members! It is a sad day for all ! Dave Myers Cincinnati - Original Message From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:38:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting Hi List, I am relieved that none of our meteorite friends in Tucson were caught up in this tragedy. My sincerest and heartfelt condolences to everyone who was touched by this act of hate and insanity. Best regards and stay positive, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/8/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hello from a sad Tucson: At the moment, we know nothing more than those of you who have already emailed. Nancy and I live only a few miles from the shooting site and we seem to have been on our way to shop (not there) at the time of the shooting. One of our neighbors just sent out an email saying that she was in the grocery store at the time of the shooting, but, again, no additional information. The store is a place we occasionally shop and a lot of our friends and neighbors shop there. Of the meteorite people I know who live in the area (Geoff Notkin and Twink Monrad), it is probably not a place that they would normally go. I have met Gabby on a number of occasions and I know some of her staff (one of her staff was killed in the shooting). A friend of the CPA at the Planetary Science Institute (where I work part time) says that she knows the shooter well and that he has a history of conduct issues at Pima Community College where she works. Tucson is a big town yet small in many ways. If I hear anything else, I will let the list know, but right now, everyone seems to be getting about the same information. Larry Lebofsky Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families during this time. KeAkuapu. Sent from Gary's iPhone On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net wrote: I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1iref= BN1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...?
Hi Larry,Greg and list here are links and photos of all Lunar meteorites that were posted by Ted bunch a while back One from JSC, and one from Washington University for Lunars, One for Eurites and one for Basalt textures from Ted Bunch http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/lmc/lmc.cfm http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Book-Textures.html http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Eucrite.htmlhttp://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm I have also a fine grain basalt with a subophitis texture that I will have tested next year! May the 1st USA lunar be found, Good luck to all! dave Myers - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Larry thetop...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 7:19:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Thank you Larry - Sometimes you just can't get your thoughts to the fingertips. Greg S. To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:51:46 -0500 From: thetop...@aol.com Hi Greg, Randy, List, I have been wondering the same thing since I've recently cut a few of my lunar suspects recently. To put Greg's question a little different, do lunar meteorites ever have crystaline shapes? Can you see with the naked eye or a loupe actual crystal structures like 6 sided or 8 sided crystals? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay username alienrockfarm www.poisonivycontrolofmichigan.com -Original Message- From: Thunder Stone To: koro...@wustl.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:55 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Thanks Randy:It does to some degree and thanks for the links.I keep reading that lunar rocks contain clasts, which I interpret as a grouping of crystals mashed together from a previous rock, and not individual crystals. I also read grains too.Let me put it another way: Do lunar rocks ever contain large crystals of feldspar or pyroxene like you may see in granite or a pegmetite? I unfortunately only have one very small lunar and have only seen others briefly.I'm convinced if a lunar has lost its fusion crust - it would be very difficult to identify when found.Greg S. Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:05:38 -0600 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: koro...@wustl.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Greg: All lunar meteorites contain mineral crystals. The basalts (both breccias and unbrecciated) are composed mainly of crystals of pyroxene and plagioclase feldspar. Some contain olivine, and all contain minor ilmenite and related iron-titanium minerals. The feldspathic breccias are largely crystalline. The only noncrystalline material is glass and a little metal. Crushed rock is crushed crystalline material. In some lunar meteorites the plagioclase has been shock converted to maskelynite which, technically, isn't a crystal but more like glass. Put another way, in photomicrographs of lunar meteorites (or any rock) under cross-polarized light (NOT plane polarized light) or crossed nichols, any and all non-black material is crystalline. There are some here: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/PDFFiles/B07_LAP02205v3.pdf basalt http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/PDFFiles/F23_GRA06157v3.pdf feldspathic breccia http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/PDFFiles/F24_LAR06638v3.pdf feldspathic breccia http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/PDFFiles/M07_MET01210v3.pdf basaltic breccia Does this answer your question? Randy Korotev At 11:59 AM 2010-12-29 Wednesday, you wrote: List: I hope everyone had a prosperous and joyful Holiday Season. I was wondering something: Do lunar meteorites ever contain crystals? Or are the just crushed rock and lunar soil compacted together? From what I've been able to find is that any basalt type rock containing white feldspar that are crystals or if there is opaque crystals (ilmenite or magnetite...etc.), then it cannot be lunar, is this true? Are there some cases where you could find crystals within a lunar rock? Much Thanks and everyone have a happy New Year. Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...?
Sorry about that last two web pages linked into one link will try again. Hope this works davehttp://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Book-Textures.htmlhttp://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Eucrite.html - Original Message From: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com To: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; Larry thetop...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 8:16:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Hi Larry,Greg and list here are links and photos of all Lunar meteorites that were posted by Ted bunch a while back One from JSC, and one from Washington University for Lunars, One for Eurites and one for Basalt textures from Ted Bunch http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/lmc/lmc.cfm http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Book-Textures.html http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Eucrite.htmlhttp://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm I have also a fine grain basalt with a subophitis texture that I will have tested next year! May the 1st USA lunar be found, Good luck to all! dave Myers - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Larry thetop...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 7:19:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Thank you Larry - Sometimes you just can't get your thoughts to the fingertips. Greg S. To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:51:46 -0500 From: thetop...@aol.com Hi Greg, Randy, List, I have been wondering the same thing since I've recently cut a few of my lunar suspects recently. To put Greg's question a little different, do lunar meteorites ever have crystaline shapes? Can you see with the naked eye or a loupe actual crystal structures like 6 sided or 8 sided crystals? Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay username alienrockfarm www.poisonivycontrolofmichigan.com -Original Message- From: Thunder Stone To: koro...@wustl.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 11:55 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Thanks Randy:It does to some degree and thanks for the links.I keep reading that lunar rocks contain clasts, which I interpret as a grouping of crystals mashed together from a previous rock, and not individual crystals. I also read grains too.Let me put it another way: Do lunar rocks ever contain large crystals of feldspar or pyroxene like you may see in granite or a pegmetite? I unfortunately only have one very small lunar and have only seen others briefly.I'm convinced if a lunar has lost its fusion crust - it would be very difficult to identify when found.Greg S. Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:05:38 -0600 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: koro...@wustl.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crystals in Lunar Meteorites...? Greg: All lunar meteorites contain mineral crystals. The basalts (both breccias and unbrecciated) are composed mainly of crystals of pyroxene and plagioclase feldspar. Some contain olivine, and all contain minor ilmenite and related iron-titanium minerals. The feldspathic breccias are largely crystalline. The only noncrystalline material is glass and a little metal. Crushed rock is crushed crystalline material. In some lunar meteorites the plagioclase has been shock converted to maskelynite which, technically, isn't a crystal but more like glass. Put another way, in photomicrographs of lunar meteorites (or any rock) under cross-polarized light (NOT plane polarized light) or crossed nichols, any and all non-black material is crystalline. There are some here: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/PDFFiles/B07_LAP02205v3.pdf basalt http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/PDFFiles/F23_GRA06157v3.pdf feldspathic breccia http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/PDFFiles/F24_LAR06638v3.pdf feldspathic breccia http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/PDFFiles/M07_MET01210v3.pdf basaltic breccia Does this answer your question? Randy Korotev At 11:59 AM 2010-12-29 Wednesday, you wrote: List: I hope everyone had a prosperous and joyful Holiday Season. I was wondering something: Do lunar meteorites ever contain crystals? Or are the just crushed rock and lunar soil compacted together? From what I've been able to find is that any basalt type rock containing white feldspar that are crystals or if there is opaque crystals (ilmenite or magnetite...etc.), then it cannot be lunar, is this true? Are there some cases where you could find crystals within a lunar rock? Much Thanks and everyone have a happy New Year. Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http
Re: [meteorite-list] Mass, MD, Penn meteor 28DEC2010
Most of Ohio was cloud covered all evening and tonight, so maybe why no reports from Ohio. dave - Original Message From: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com To: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 12:31:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mass, MD, Penn meteor 28DEC2010 yes dirk you are correct. over 50 ams reports have already come in. looks like it flew over PA headed SE-NW and may have terminated in MI On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:37 PM, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List, Traffic indicates that a large meteor was seen in Mass, MD and Penn on 28DEC2010. Updates will be posted at http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fairfield iron meteorite
Hi List, Speaking of known meteorites that rust and ones that dont that bad, brings up a question about the Fairfield meteorite. All my life I lived within 8 miles where it was found at the gravel pit here in Butler county Ohio. It was found at a depth of between 70 to 120 feet deep in the sand and gravel left by the Wisconson Glacier. You have to only dig down 15-20 feet befor everything is submerged in water, part of the miami valley aquifer, and as far as I know it has been like that since 18,000 to 14,000 years ago. If the Fairfield meteorite was in water for that amount of time I would think it would had rusted away completly 1000's of years ago?? Or was it a huge meteorite at one time, and the 1.6 kg that was recovered is what was left?? Just wondering your thoughts on that. dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: If not for bad luck...
Wow all I know this all too well, In 1990 I ruptured my L-3 disc and had a slight buldging disc in my L4, I had micro surgrury for the ruptured disc that year, in Dayton Ohio. I have been great ever since.. I now will not pick up anything hevey, I suffered with major back pain for 6 months befor I had the surgery, They did give me a booklet of what exercise to do to help my lower back, and I do not do it every Day like I should but I do it 4-5 times a month. Back surgery to day is not as bad as it was 20-35 years ago!! depending on what you need done I have not had no pain ever since!! dave - Original Message From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Cc: MeteorList Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 6:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: If not for bad luck... On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:03 PM, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Welcome to the HD* club! ;-) *herniated disk L3-L4 here in Germany, charter member: L4-L5 in 1978. I've been living with constant pain ever since. Luckily its a dull, low-level pain that you learn to tune out. Every once in a while I'll tweak it real bad and become debilitated for a spell - this usually occurs after prolonged periods of relative inactivity. The key, at least for me is to stay active on a regular basis. Surfing does that for me. Meteorite hunting sounds like a great way to stay active as long as you stay away from nasty spiders and lifting 327 lb Glorieta Mtn irons by yourself. gary Bernd Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brix's meteorite hunting training video Part 2
Hi Adam and list, You know your right Dogs are amazing. My cousin on his farm in ohio has a Golden Retriver with a heck of a nose. While hunting the past 2 weeks there I would play fetch with a stick, even when he lost sight of the direction, He would put his nose to the ground and circle the area until he found it. This dog diggs up around 6-8 moles a year that are 6 -10 in deep in the ground. So I was thinking last week, could I train this dog to find meteorites? I think I will Take out 2 unwa next trip, wash them, put on gloves and play fetch. Then heat one rock up in the oven, (that will give off a very strong rock smell) then bury the rock about 10 in. deep, in the ground, walk him around and see if he finds it. If that works in a day of testing, Then I will try cold rocks! It will be fun. dave - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 6:31:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Brix's meteorite hunting training video Part 2 Dogs are amazing. I had a Rottweiler that took to rocks naturally. A long time ago, I received a package of Saharan meteorites from the Labennes, laid one out on a table and my dog made off with it and buried in the back yard. I gave him another one, he took it and tried to bury it as well. This is how we found where he buried the first one. I could pick up any rock, observe its unique characteristics and throw it into the river. My dog would then go after it and not return until he had found the exact same rock I had thrown among thousands of others. I do not know how he was able to do this since it seems unlikely that a dog could smell anything submerged in water. It was like magic watching him retrieve these rocks. I have no explanation for this. A trained dog seems like a natural tool to use in meteorite hunting. I am curious to how this works out. Who knows? Maybe Brix will be the first dog in history to make a cold find. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question, Thinn sections
Hi List, I list I have a question about thinn section photos, Like the great photos Top Phillips takes. Those who study meteorite or classify them, Can they tell just by looking at the photos, if the thenn section is from a meteorite?? Can they tell if it is a Lunar or Martian meteorite from the thinn section photo?? Or do they need the thinn section in hand to put through a type of spectrometor?? And is that even enough to tell, or does all the other testing have to be done to tell if it is a meteorite, is a Lunar or martian. Thanks for any info. dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question, Thin sections
Hi Anne, Thank you so much for the links! The article you written is outstanding! about the microprob lab. I have been searching for a article like that for a long time. And cannot wait to go through all your thin section photos you have for sale! I looked at a few photos and they are super nice! Thanks again! dave - Original Message From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com To: whitefalcons...@yahoo.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 4:43:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question, Thin sections Hello Dave, Interesting question. I am not a scientist, but because I sell a lot of thin-sections, I deal with many scientists, and very often, and I am told that Tom's pictures are very pretty but often at a much too high a magnification, so crystallization patterns, among others things, become difficult to see. I would suggest that you compare with the pictures, taken by John Kashuba, on my website: _http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm) (click on any Ref# highlighted in yellow). And see for yourself if you can recognize chondrules of various types, and other crystals. You could also read the Micro-visions articles in Meteorite-Times and the Centerpiece in Meteorite Magazine. And if you want to know how a microprobe functions, and what information you get out of it, then read the article I wrote for the IMCA news letter:http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=185 I hope this helps. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/23/2010 2:21:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, whitefalcons...@yahoo.com writes: Hi List, I list I have a question about thinn section photos, Like the great photos Top Phillips takes. Those who study meteorite or classify them, Can they tell just by looking at the photos, if the thenn section is from a meteorite?? Can they tell if it is a Lunar or Martian meteorite from the thinn section photo?? Or do they need the thinn section in hand to put through a type of spectrometor?? And is that even enough to tell, or does all the other testing have to be done to tell if it is a meteorite, is a Lunar or martian. Thanks for any info. dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hopewell meteorite collecting
Dear List, https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/bitstream/1811/4817/1/V61N06_341.pdf I found a very interesting PDF file report, of all iron meteorites found at all Archaeological sites across the county. It not only covers The Mound Builders, But other cultures out west and in Mexico, Canada. I do not condone anyone disturbing archaeological sites or Scared Buial Grounds. But Being facinated with the Mound Builders and meteorites I found the report to be very interesting. Native Americans were as interested in collecting meteorites as we are today. I Grew up in Butler County Ohio, and that county had over 300 earth works and mounds pre 1850. It is sad that there is less then 30 left standing today in Butler county. It is a great read if your interested in Archaeology and meteorites. dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Native American use of meteorites
In the report Did you all read the nickel content of the meteorite from the Oktibbeha county mound, Mississippi. iron=39.69% nickel= 59.69% SP = 6.854 I thought Dayton Meteorite, found in montgomery Co. Ohio had the highest nickel content at 18% untill I read this. Is there any other iron that is 59.69% nickel? - Original Message From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 2:08:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Native American use of meteorites Hello All, Has anyone ever done comparisons of the meteorites found in Hopewell mounds and existing collections? Possible Sources of Meteoritic Material from Hopewell Indian Burial Mounds (by J.T. WASSON and S.P. SEDWICK, Department of Chemistry and Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, Los Angeles, California 90024): Pallasite Ni(%) Ga (ppm) Ge (ppm) Ir (ppm) Anderson 11.3 24.8 65.6 0.045 Hopewell Mds 10.6 24.0 61.8 0.049 Admire 10.7 20.3 39.2 0.017 Ahumada 8.0 21.4 49.0 0.057 Albin 10.4 16.8 29.4 0.015 Brenham 10.6 26.1 70.8 0.037 Eagle Station 15.4 4.54 75.3 10.0 Glorieta Mtn. 12.0 13.2 10.7 0.014 Mount Vernon 11.5 21.5 49.1 0.14 Newport 10.7 17.5 31.2 0.16 South Bend 9.6 21.2 41.3 0.055 Springwater 12.6 14.8 31.9 0.069 Finmarken 10.7 18.7 43.7 1.8 Imilac 9.0 21.1 46.0 0.071 Krasnojarsk 8.9 22.0 56.6 0.18 The compositions of the burial mound pallasites are more like that of Brenham than that of any other pallasite which we have investigated. Among the North American pallasites the next similar are Ahumada and Mount Vernon, but the Ge contents of each of these objects are some 20 per cent lower, the Ni concentration of Ahumada is 20 per cent lower, and the Ir concentration of Mount Vernon is a factor of three higher than those of the burial mound objects. ...we conclude that the Hopewellian pallasites are fragments from the Brenham fall. ARNOLD J.R. and LIBBY W.F. (1951) Radiocarbon Dates: Havana, Hopewell Mounds (Science 113, pp. 111-120): Charcoal from the Hopewell Mounds has a radiocarbon age of 1951 ± 200 years The American Journal of Science (1890), ART. XLII. On five new American Meteorites; by George F. Kunz: In the spring of 1883, Professor F.W. Putnam found on the altar of mound No. 3 of the Turner group of mounds, in the Little Miami Valley, Ohio, several ear-ornaments made of iron, and several others overlaid with iron. With these were also found a number of separate pieces that were thought to be iron. They were covered with cinders, charcoal, pearls [two bushels were found in this group of mounds], and other material, cemented by an oxide of iron, showing that the whole had been subjected to a high temperature. On removing the scale, Dr. Kennicutt found that they were made of iron of meteoric origin (Sixteenth and seventeenth reports of the Peabody Museum of Archeology, p. 382). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Native American use of meteorites
WOWBernd You are a iron meteorite analytical encyclopedia! Thanks for the info. I was not aware of all the meteorites with such high nickel contents! dave - Original Message From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 4:16:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Native American use of meteorites Hello again, ... nickel = 59.69% ... Oops, almost forgot Mirko Graul's NWA 6259. Sorry, Mirko! NWA 6259, the iron with the SECOND highest nickel content so far: = 42.6% Ni = .. and it is even magnetic! In other words, not only is it attracted to a magnet but is itself magnetic! Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wow! what a meteor this morning, Fragmented.
Hi Everyone, I cannot beleave the Bolite I seen this morning at 4:20 or 4:25AM, I was outside setting on my daughters deck drinking coffee in the cold,(waiting to go hunting) when looking south, The bigest, brighest slow moving meteor I have ever seen came out of the western sky and headed south east. I was in Monroe Ohio, which is between Cincinnati and Dayton. It cam in very low in the sky! with sparks trailing As it was 10 to 15 degrees above the Horizon There was a Very Bright Flash that lit up the sky and it looked like the front or bottom blew out as it fragmented. At this Time it entered the City sky light, of west Chester,ohio which is directly south of Monroe, and I lost sight of it complety. This is the 1st one like this I have ever seen and will never forget it. It was far enough away that I heard no sound. There must be alot people traveling south on I-75 and I-71 who seen this, so we should here more reports today. Also, I now see why some people think there seeing a jet on fire, It was moving at the speed you would think a jet would. MY 1ST, WAY TOO COOL! DAVE __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Finding fossil Meteorites
Hi List, Has anyone read this great artical about meteorites being found in Ordivician fossil limestone. After reading it I starting searching months ago. And found 2 very interesting stones, One looks like it could be a diogenite and the other stone has a subophitic texture like some lunars and a few Angrites So here is a link to the artical if you have not read it, http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Mar04/fossilMeteorites.html and second is link is to my face book page with pictures of what I found and where they were found, Just wondering are they worth getting tested, I do not want to waste money if there not. Thanks for any info. http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?aid=47781id=10209843157 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363
Hi Norbert, Aziz, Dr Jambon, and list! For The most part, in the last 3-4 years, I have been on the side lines just reading the post! If 3 people Have access to this data ( NWA-5363 o- Isotope) and belong to this list, Why state you have it, and not post the results on hear??? I do not understand this at all. Why keep good people in a argument, I am sure 99.9% of all the people on this list are all good people at heart, with all the same interest as everyone else. That is the only reason we are hear. METEORITES. To share knowledge about what we love. So if you have the data, post it on Hear tonight, And Everyone can get along. dave myers - Original Message From: Norbert Classen riffr...@timewarp.de To: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 6:34:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363 Hi Aziz, and All, Yes, I can confirm that I received all the data from Dr. Jambon in the meantime, including the O-isotope data, and there seems to be no doubt that NWA 5400 and the stone classified by Dr. Jambon (NWA 5363) are actually paired. The O-isotope ratios plot very close to the TFL (terrestrial fractionation line), and the mineral compositions for olivine, orthopyroxene and clinopyroxene do also match closely. Thanks to Dr. Jambon for providing these data. Kind regards, Norbert Classen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- hi all, albert wrote today to me. he said, ' I did write to Norbert. He has the data now. . thanks albert for your effort and your help ; and thanks norbert for helping this issue to move on to the good way. do we have this data now all the best aziz habibi - Message transféré De : Norbert Classen riffr...@timewarp.de À : habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Mer 29 septembre 2010, 23h 11min 20s Objet : AW: [meteorite-list] nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363 Dear Aziz All, You wrote: he said too that he has given all the data that confirm the pairing including the isotope to norbert classen in end june where they talk abaout this and as i asked him to do so. Maybe there's a slight misunderstanding here. I actually emailed with Dr. Jambon in June, and we also intended to meet at the Ste. Marie Show at the end of June where Dr. Jambon wanted to show me all the data (including the O-isotope data). However, unfortunatelly we missed each other at the show, and so the meeting didn't take place. Don't get me wrong, I have no reason to doubt Dr. Jambon's word on this - I just wanted to get the facts straight. Maybe you misunderstood Dr. Jambon? But up to this day I haven't seen the O-isotope data for NWA 5363. All I have seen is a writeup on NWA 5363 which didn't include the O-isotope data. Again, that doesn't mean much, and I'm also looking forward to the official publication of NWA 5363. This will hopefully answer all the questions. We all need to remember that meteorite classification (including the voting process on new meteorites at the NomCom of the Meteoritical Society) takes time. So we as collectors should, IMHO, be patient, and wait with conclusions until the scientific work has been done and published. All the best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- hi all and i m happy that this issue is becoming a very polit and civilised discussion; well 3 months that i do not want to get caught inside this discussion any more, but well this is becoming repeated to a point that we forget what the debat is about, for nwa 5363; i get a talk on albert jambon mobile , i asked him that many dealers or collectors still think that nwa 5400 is not paired to nwa 5363 and he answered me this. he said that he have submited to the nomcom all the information, and he coudln't have said that they are paired if he haven't done isotope so clearly he indicate that he has done isotope and have submited them to the nomcom dr wisberg or so , its on the phone. and he said he is surprised why the nomcom didn't pubilsh them yet, he said too that he has given all the data that confirm the pairing including the isotope to norbert classen in end june where they talk abaout this and as i asked him to do so. so i ask here do we have any guy from the nomcom here , please end this torture and tell us if you have this data or not,and why you didn't publish them. thanks aziz habibi __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Albert JAMBON UPMC Univ Paris 06 (UMR 7193) Institut des Sciences de la Terre Paris Laboratoire Magie 46-0 4eme étage, Case 110 4 place jussieu 75252 Paris Cedex O5 France Tel: 33 (0) 144 27 51 35 FAX: 33 (0) 144 27
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363
Hi Norbert, Thank you so much! Being a Art major, I do not have a clue, what any of that means? . LOL But, I was hopping so much that It would be posted by someone and the meteorite experts and Geologist who know, could see it and let the rest of us know! So there will no more argument for days on this topic! Thanks again, dave myers.cincinnati-reds-rock!!! - Original Message From: Norbert Classen riffr...@timewarp.de To: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com; habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 7:42:35 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] RE: nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363 Hi Dave All, Dr. Jambon asked me explicitly not to publish his entire abstract - it will be published after it has been approved by the NomCom of the Meteoritical Society. That's the usual way to do this, and I perfectly understand that. However, he gave me the permission to quote the respective numbers for NWA 5363 - so here you go: Oxygen isotopes: d17O =2.152‰; d18O = 4.183‰; ∆17O = -0.023‰ Does that help? All the best, Norbert Classen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Dave Myers [mailto:whitefalcons...@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Oktober 2010 01:27 An: Norbert Classen; habibi abdelaziz; meteorite list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] RE: nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363 Hi Norbert, Aziz, Dr Jambon, and list! For The most part, in the last 3-4 years, I have been on the side lines just reading the post! If 3 people Have access to this data ( NWA-5363 o- Isotope) and belong to this list, Why state you have it, and not post the results on hear??? I do not understand this at all. Why keep good people in a argument, I am sure 99.9% of all the people on this list are all good people at heart, with all the same interest as everyone else. That is the only reason we are hear. METEORITES. To share knowledge about what we love. So if you have the data, post it on Hear tonight, And Everyone can get along. dave myers - Original Message From: Norbert Classen riffr...@timewarp.de To: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 6:34:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363 Hi Aziz, and All, Yes, I can confirm that I received all the data from Dr. Jambon in the meantime, including the O-isotope data, and there seems to be no doubt that NWA 5400 and the stone classified by Dr. Jambon (NWA 5363) are actually paired. The O-isotope ratios plot very close to the TFL (terrestrial fractionation line), and the mineral compositions for olivine, orthopyroxene and clinopyroxene do also match closely. Thanks to Dr. Jambon for providing these data. Kind regards, Norbert Classen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- hi all, albert wrote today to me. he said, ' I did write to Norbert. He has the data now. . thanks albert for your effort and your help ; and thanks norbert for helping this issue to move on to the good way. do we have this data now all the best aziz habibi - Message transféré De : Norbert Classen riffr...@timewarp.de À : habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Mer 29 septembre 2010, 23h 11min 20s Objet : AW: [meteorite-list] nwa 5400 pairing to nwa 5363 Dear Aziz All, You wrote: he said too that he has given all the data that confirm the pairing including the isotope to norbert classen in end june where they talk abaout this and as i asked him to do so. Maybe there's a slight misunderstanding here. I actually emailed with Dr. Jambon in June, and we also intended to meet at the Ste. Marie Show at the end of June where Dr. Jambon wanted to show me all the data (including the O-isotope data). However, unfortunatelly we missed each other at the show, and so the meeting didn't take place. Don't get me wrong, I have no reason to doubt Dr. Jambon's word on this - I just wanted to get the facts straight. Maybe you misunderstood Dr. Jambon? But up to this day I haven't seen the O-isotope data for NWA 5363. All I have seen is a writeup on NWA 5363 which didn't include the O-isotope data. Again, that doesn't mean much, and I'm also looking forward to the official publication of NWA 5363. This will hopefully answer all the questions. We all need to remember that meteorite classification (including the voting process on new meteorites at the NomCom of the Meteoritical Society) takes time. So we as collectors should, IMHO, be patient, and wait with conclusions until the scientific work has been done and published. All the best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- hi all and i m happy that this issue is becoming a very polit and civilised discussion; well 3 months that i do not want to get caught inside this discussion any more, but well this is becoming
Re: [meteorite-list] Other hobbies?
Buy-sell antique paintings-prints, and Japanese woodblocks A few coins 1700's Spanish 2 realest, My best best coin is a 1424-1427 English Groat made in Calisis France when Joan of Arch was between the age of 12 and 15. ( Now how cool is that) I draw and paint my self, I like painting in the style of the 'Fauves also surealisam. My super 8 mm films from when I would sneak my movie camera into rock concerts back in the 1970's Best footage is Queen live at UD arena Dayton, ohio. around 1977. Play gutair write music and songs. Searching for artifacts and meteorites. Hunting-fishing Everything History, documentrys Good Beer dave myers __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Eucrites close-up photos
Hi List, Does anyone have any links to close up photos of nwa-2362, nwa-2050,nwa-2062, or simlar Eucrites I want to see what the crystal structure looks like as you were looking at a slice through a 10x loope or a magnifying glass. ( Do not want to go to micro, I have seen thin sections) I have heard that some look alot like terrestrial rocks. Thanks dave myers __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list) Now on History channal, (est)l
Hi List coming on TV now on the History Chanal,The universe, Asteroild attacks| 8PM, EST..IN THE USA. DAVE - Original Message From: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com To: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net; Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 6:39:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? That is Soow Ed - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? The correlation between cured pork products and meteorites is undeniable Richard. Consider this fine ham: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200514554515 Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I'm considering extensive photograghs of my local deli meat section...awesome breccias and crust on the turkey, then some very considerable crust on the ham. The veining in the ham sort of flies in the face of any further debate of such terrestrial history, althought the brecciated turkey may in fact spark a lively discussion. But please, before isotope analyisis is called for the resultant impactors, let's consider the need. I, for one, will go with whatever conclusion we commonly have, notwithstanding any anomalies, which, of course, we need not go into at this point. - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Funny you mention cheese Martin. One of my self imposed edicts for buying is: If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and buy the stone. Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my
Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box
Hello Martin and R N Hartman Sports Memorabilia compaines like Carney Plastics Inc http://commerce.idmi.net/ecommerce/catalog.asp?CID=123key=url=CI=427 Sell very large, clear plastic cases up to the size to display basketball, football size item I think they also have large wall hanging cases 30x30 or larger with shelfs. But there many others on the net, I like there's cause they have a mirro on the bottom or you can get them in black. Any case just follow the link ot type in Sports memorabilia cases and you will see some cool display cases. dave myers - Original Message From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: martin goff msgmeteori...@googlemail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 7:10:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box Hello Martin, Saw your inquiry and I don't know how large your slices are but you might be interested in checking out some of our larger size membrane boxes. Box sizes with O.D. up to 150 x 300 mm for thin slices and 250 x 200 x 200 mm which will handle an iron individual up to 3371 g. although I did have a roundish 12 pound Canyon Diablo iron in one until we had an earthquake and it fell off the top shelf of a bookcase onto the floor. For slices, we list recommended max. sizes for objects inside the box, but you can push that number if your specimen is for display and not a fragile object for transportation, which need the shock absorbing engineering of the stretched membrane. The clear membrane suspends the specimen inside the box and you can look at it from both front and back at the same time. Our business website lists all the dimensions (O.D. and I.D. of boxes) at www.membranebox.com Ron Hartman membrane...@earthlink.net rhartma...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: martin goff msgmeteori...@googlemail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes Thanks for all the responses off list and it seems that lots of you are having the same difficulties trying to find a suitable larger display box. No one seems to have any answers though regards where to get them from. I approached the manufacturers of the boxes i provided links to in my previous post and unfortunately they would need a minimum order of 100,000 units to make a larger box. Even though it seems quite a few people would be interested, not enough to place an order that size!! Oh well back to the drawing board and my larger iron slices will just have to stay languishing in their cozy dessicated boxes until i find a suitable solution! Cheers Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martha's Vinyard Meteorite
Hello all, I do not have my reading glasses on! In the last photo, is that a Bingo ticket! If so, I think she lost!,...lol dave! - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 10:07:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Martha's Vinyard Meteorite Here is an interesting one - http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-CERTIFIED-MARTHAS-VINEYARD-MASS-METEORITE-/190421383034 Anyone want to go in half with me? LOL -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crater Wrong?
Hello E.P.Grondine, and list, I have been there and only live 1hour 10 minutes away, last I read from Ohio state University is that core samples taken strongly pointed to it being a impact site! Lots of good info about it on the Ohio state Unv. Geo.dept I have a geology map on my computer of the crater if anyone is interested! Dave Myers - Original Message From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 1:16:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Crater Wrong? Hi all - I have always read that Serpent Mound, Ohio was built on top of an impact rebound, but the other evening I was told that it was built on top of the center of a collapsed volcanic caldera. While functionally it does not make any difference, as I don't remember any shatter cones from it being offered for sale on the list, and I am wondering. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gorgeous photos from the Iowa-Grant WI Strewnfield
Great, photos, Joe I live in southwest Ohio, and have alot of family members who have farms, like in your photos! I love farm photos like yours, more than meteorites! Meteorites, are second, Thou! LOL Dave Myers - Original Message From: Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, May 16, 2010 12:38:32 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Gorgeous photos from the Iowa-Grant WI Strewnfield Hello Listees, Here are some really nice pics from my latest trip ti the Iowa-Grant Wisconsin strewnfield. Some real nice pics of some bald eagles, and some of the gorgeous landscape and a few others I thought you all would enjoy. http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1273984155 Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado School of Mines meteorite exhibit
Henry, Great photos, I love looking at meteorite photos! Thanks for sharing! Dave Myers - Original Message From: hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 6:22:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado School of Mines meteorite exhibit Hello folks. I visited the School of Mines this past Saturday and too photos if their nice meteorite display. I posted them in an album in my profile on Facebook. I have absolutely no idea whether or not this link will work to get you there (not that computer savvy). I hope it works, if not please forgive. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2056333id=1069452107ref=mf Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Livingston/Mifflin/Mineral Point/Iowa County/Grant County/Wisconsin Meteorite
Hi Brian and List, I come from a family of farmers in south-west Ohio, Right now the farmers are planting. I have been hunting Indian artifacts for 20 years, After planting if you ask the farmer if you can walk in between the row's and look for arrowheads or(meteorites) they will almost always say sure! You should be able to do this till early june, crops will not be too high yet. As far as the HEMP goes, The drug dealers do not start planting it down hear in the corn fields untill the corn is at least 2 feet high! LOL Dave --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Livingston/Mifflin/Mineral Point/Iowa County/Grant County/Wisconsin Meteorite To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 3:27 AM hi folks, While contemplating a trip to the great pastures of Southwestern Wisconsin and what this new meteorite will eventually be called Livingston/Mifflin/Mineral Point/Iowa County/Grant County/Iowa-Grant County Schools/Wisconsin Meteorite I was listening to WLS-FM Oldies on 94.7 here in Chicago. Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane was singing White Rabbit and NO, I was Not high. ;-) Just in case any of you were thinking that my hippie childhood in the 60s at 9 years old hearing this song made you think such thoughts. ;-) Shame on you! lol ;-) A couple of things dawned on me. 1) Farmers have been plowing for over a week and are ready to plant 2) Landowners have been charging $50 per day, per person to hunt on their land. Regardless of whether you find meteorites or Not, you Don't get your money back if you don't find any. 3) You must pay the landowner 50 % of your findings before you leave or said landowner may take out a shotgun and give you a taste of some buckshot... Honestly, you do have to pay 50% of what you find. Just ask the guys that have been there. Example: if you find a 20 gram meteorite, landowner weighs it and at, say $5 per gram, you have a $100 meteorite and landowner gets $50 from you before you can leave the area. As you have read in earlier posts Mike Farmer noted some guy ( we don't know him, hopefully a local) found a meteorite and everyone saw it and he took off before paying the landowner and the landowner got angry and chased everyone off his land. 4) No one has any idea if there is a Main Mass if it has been found or if the largest 200 gram stone is the main mass or if it's much bigger or where it is. 5) Now, the jist of this post.Once farmers have planted and plants are up and growing or in the fields, they... DO NOT ...want a bunch of CollectorsExpert or Novice stomping around the fields and crushing their plants.!! I know this from personal experience because I used to go up to Iowa County for a 15 year period and always walked around the fields when going to and fro. If farmers even, and I Stress the word EVEN let anyone onto their land they are most likely going to charge higher prices, i.e. $100 per day plus a cut, perhaps 50 % or more. 6) This area in Iowa/Grant counties and throughout Wisconsin, Illinois and Indiana, Iowa, etc. as many of you know that live in the area was heavily planted during WWI with HEMP let me say that again, H-E-M-P that was used as Hemp rope during World War 1. Think Willie Nelson or Woody Harrelson. Every year farmers are supposed to pull out or cut down the hemp and burn it or the county will come and do it and charge or fine the landowners. You guys in Northern Indiana and Illinois know we hear of the yearly Hemp Burning of hundreds of acres in Northern Indiana that always makes the news. I Stress this since if you plan on going up this Summer, you had better make sure you don't try to skirt around contacting the landowners and let them know you want to hunt meteorites. Not, that I would in any way shape or form think or suggest you would do this, But, I stress this since if you are out walking around the side of the road or along a pasture or fence line and someone, neighbor, passer-by County Mountie or landowner and they see you, they may report you to the law as someone looking to Harvest Hemp and you may get a ticket and be going to jail. Just to put that out there as food for thought. Just to make it safer for everyone. Hope this is helpful before you plan a trip there. Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
Hi Melanie and list, I thought about the same thing in regards to the ISS, it is traveling 27,000 mph in its oribit around the earth as well as space rocks! So could they capture one (meteor) with a fish net, or somthing! Come on Nasa employees, these are real questions!.lol Dave Myers --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca wrote: From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 4:20 AM I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shuttle Landing Path Over WI
Thanks so much for this info. Its also heading over Cincinnati,also. I cant wait. Dave --- On Tue, 4/20/10, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com fallingfus...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shuttle Landing Path Over WI To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 5:42 AM http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100420/sc_afp/usspaceshuttleissjapan_20100420024506 If all goes as planned without weather delays, the 1st landing attempt will produce sonic booms over WI. That would be the second time within a week (...under different circumstances ..and not quite as loud, of course ; ) http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/445731main_KSC237_long.gif __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] off topic NFL pregame Flyover
OH-WOW! Being in south-west Ohio, I had supplers give me free tickets to Indy-500 plus , pit-passes! I remember once, when 2 stealth fighters, and one bomber went over! You talk about a sonic boomNo warning at all! Another time, I was in the pit, In front of Sarah Fisher's garage,(Her 1st year raceing) I was video tapeing when the Secatary of defense under Pres. Clinton, came walking down the alley (+ alot of secret service men) And after they left, 2 Hairrer jets, flew over the the stadium, stoped in mid air, And just roared for like, 5 minutes!! THAT WAS LIKE TOO LOUD! Dave --- On Tue, 4/13/10, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net Subject: [meteorite-list] off topic NFL pregame Flyover To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 1:57 AM Proud to be an American. One of Americas greatest moments; Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWSUAoYcH5c -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites fund terrorism questions
Hi Greg, and list When I first started looking for nwa' dealers 3 years ago, This is one of the first sights I seen. The first thing I thought is, it is so much like the the CIA'S (PROPAGANDA) instructive comic books distributed to certain countries in the 80,s 90,s and early 2000. But I could not make a connection, why this is on a meteorite hunters web-site. Un less they want them all the meteorites for them selfs? Dave --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites fund terrorism questions To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 10:25 AM Hi all, hope everyone is doing well. I have a question... I was looking up the subject NWA meteorites and the first page I get is this site: http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html While I know this site has been discussed before, has anyone tried to talk to them to get it removed? The most common meteorites are NWAs and it seems to me that if a simple search turns this up, it may discourage people who simply dont look more into the story. Are they a member of this list? What is this guys intentions of doing this anyway? Does anyone know? He looks to be a dealer of NWAs... strange. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010
Hi Michael, Yep, me too! Dave --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 26, 2010 To: mich...@rocksfromspace.org, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:34 PM Did others get a web site where the photo link Was broken? Michael On 3/26/10 3:09 PM, mich...@rocksfromspace.org mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_26_2010.html --- www.rocksfromspace.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Philly Meteor
Hi Mike, Great video, looks like it is heading west. I hope it fell on one of our farms in Ohio. LOL Thanks Dave --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Philly Meteor To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 5:02 PM This doesn't look very big, but it was caught on camera by a news crew in a helicopter. http://astronomy.magnify.net/video/Meteor-over-Philadelphia?utm_source=twitterfeedutm_medium=twitter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hey Richard, My expertise is ART, moderan art Once at a online Auction. I seen a painting, That I knew was a $5,000.-$7,000. painting. The est. was only $100.-200. dollars, I knew this painting was placed in the wrong category at this auction. So, most people did not go into this category looking for good paintings! But I knew a few might! So I waited, till the end of the auction, and put in my bid, seconds before it ended! I got this painting for only $168.00 dollars. When it comes to collecting, If you know the value of what is for sale! (or just love it, and have to have it) and you know it is under valued, (if you really want it cheap) YOU SNIPE IT! ME myself could never afford to pay gallery price! I do not know enough about meteorites, and am not in the position to do so now, But if I could, YES, ON A, ON LINE AUCTION, THAT I KNEW WAS selling at a fraction of the price ...i would snipe every time. Only because of my life-long art research, and these opportunities, is my a apt. a little modern art museum. I wish 25 years ago I know about meteorites! Dave Myers --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:58 PM This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Manchester Museum (UK) Visit, Article and Images
Hi Matt, Great article, great photos and great job! How many meteorites are on display at the Manchester Mueeum? Thanks Dave Myers --- On Thu, 2/25/10, matt metl...@plu.to wrote: From: matt metl...@plu.to Subject: [meteorite-list] Manchester Museum (UK) Visit, Article and Images To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 7:09 AM Last week members of the British and Irish Meteorite Society (BIMS, http://www.bimsociety.org ) visited the Manchester Museum. I've written an article about the visit including lots of images and information on the history, people and specimens involved. You can view the article directly at http://www.bimsociety.org/article-manchester.shtml Enjoy! Matt. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange Pics
LOL! Our basement band, played that song back in the day! And now, looking at meteorites never made the connection! lol! Dave --- On Wed, 2/24/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange Pics To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 3:36 PM A rare video of LaGrange - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnMFOeEPUks ;) On 2/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Matt: Here are some La Grange pics from Buchwald's Iron Meteorites. http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/012.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z1.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z2.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z3.jpg http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/z4.jpg Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange - Information Sought
Hi Matt, I am just out side of of Cincinnati OH. on the Kentucky-Indiana borader. If you go to this web-site, it will show all 27 meteorites found in Kentucky and all the info. about it! http://kgs.uky.edu/kgsweb/olops/pub/kgs/sp01_12.pdf If this does not work (it should) just type in unbroken meteorites rough draft in yahoo! That is what came up when I typed meteorites found in Kentucky. It is a PDF file full of great meteorite info. Good Luck, Dave --- On Tue, 2/23/10, matt metl...@plu.to wrote: From: matt metl...@plu.to Subject: [meteorite-list] La Grange - Information Sought To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:10 PM Last week members of the British and Irish Meteorite Society (BIMS, http://www.bimsociety.org) visited the Manchester Museum (UK). One of the specimens we saw was a partslice of the iron La Grange, found in Kentucky in 1860. It was part of an old collection acquired by the Museum in the late 1870's. The Catalogue of Meteorites only states A mass of 112lb was found. Can anybody add more information to this? Thanks in advance, Matt. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] La Grange - Information Sought
Hi Matt and list, Not sure why, but my 1st reply ended up in my own spam box, So not sure if you got it! ..(But what it says!..is) La Grange (Iron) Oldham County Kentucky, 38 degrees 24'N and 85 degrees 22'w, Found in Oct. 1860 near La Grange, Oldham Co. KY. This flatten, elongate mass is turtle-shaped and smooth. It was acquired by J.L.Smith in 1861 who distributed one-third of it to various museums. It is classified as a fine to finest Octahedrite (subtype IVA) contains Trolites, and has interesting zig-zag features, which may represent fissuring of the main mass and injection of trolite melts. The widmanstatten strutures implying that the meteorite under-went some form of cold deformation. (A mass of 112 lbs was recovered|) This info. is from Unbroken meteorites rough draft.com Hope this helps Dave --- On Tue, 2/23/10, matt metl...@plu.to wrote: From: matt metl...@plu.to Subject: [meteorite-list] La Grange - Information Sought To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 10:10 PM Last week members of the British and Irish Meteorite Society (BIMS, http://www.bimsociety.org) visited the Manchester Museum (UK). One of the specimens we saw was a partslice of the iron La Grange, found in Kentucky in 1860. It was part of an old collection acquired by the Museum in the late 1870's. The Catalogue of Meteorites only states A mass of 112lb was found. Can anybody add more information to this? Thanks in advance, Matt. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Your top meteor sightings!
Hi list, I have never been lucky enough to see a bolide, or fire-ball. But I have in my life seen 3 that were bright green, 2 That made a loud hissing or swishing noise. But this past november, I seen a very Bright white one start directly over head and head south east, as the bright light burnt out, for a few tenths of a second, the object just glowed bright red, went dim, and glowed about half as bright again, no tail. I would think this object made it through the lowest levels of the atmosphere. Anyone ever had an encounter like that! Thanks Dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Your top meteor sightings!
Hi Martin and list, Seeing something like that is my dream before I Die, That is Awesome! Great video! I just hope, I don't see one like that while driving! LOL, I know, I will (crash),...I would never keep my eyes on the road! But the top 5,( meteors) I did see and here, Well, I will take with me through the cosmic dust, and tell all about it on the other side! (LOL), I wish you all the best visual effects, that this universe can display in all our life time, and hope it is soon, so you can tell now, rather then later! Take care all, and great posts, so keep them coming! Dave Myers --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Your top meteor sightings! To: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 10:18 PM Hi Dave, This is the best one I've ever seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwWc_eCkSyw The smoke was quite colorful and lasted a long time. I saw it as it flew across western Montana on its way to its closest earth approach over Canada. Best, Martin On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi list, I have never been lucky enough to see a bolide, or fire-ball. But I have in my life seen 3 that were bright green, 2 That made a loud hissing or swishing noise. But this past november, I seen a very Bright white one start directly over head and head south east, as the bright light burnt out, for a few tenths of a second, the object just glowed bright red, went dim, and glowed about half as bright again, no tail. I would think this object made it through the lowest levels of the atmosphere. Anyone ever had an encounter like that! Thanks Dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 The Universe Video
Hi Shawn, That is one of the best videos I ever seen! Thanks so muching for sharing! Dave Myers --- On Wed, 2/10/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 The Universe Video To: cyna...@charter.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 8:05 PM Darren and List, You had said about a week ago you are still looking for the Naked Science video on 2008 TC3 meteorite ( which I might add, I would like to get my hands on some ) . I think I might have found that video but its not from Naked Science it is from The Universe series show.The episode is about deadly stuff that falls from space which begins with the 2008 TC3 meteorite fall. Here is a link and enjoy and see if that is what your looking for and Listers, enjoy as well. Shawn Alan http://www.sendspace.com/file/4z34u2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on chondrule formation and synthetic chondrules
Thanks, That info. is great! I love the CV3 and the LL3-6, That show hundreds of chondrules, I even like them better than stoney-irons! There 2nd! Only wish I could aford them! ..LOL Thanks for the info. Dave Myers --- On Tue, 1/19/10, starsandsco...@aol.com starsandsco...@aol.com wrote: From: starsandsco...@aol.com starsandsco...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Paper on chondrule formation and synthetic chondrules To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 11:54 PM Hi List, I thought some of you might enjoy this portion of a science paper on meteorite chondrules. It is part of a paper on microscopes posted in Molecular Expressions (An online microscope site) The first half of the paper is on microscopes so many of you will want to skip that part. Tom Phillips PHOTOMICROGRAPHY IN THE GEOLOGICAL SCIENCES Michael W. Davidson Institute of Molecular Biophysics Center for Materials Research and Technology (MARTECH) National High Magnetic Field Laboratory (NHMFL) Supercomputer Computations Research Institute (SCRI) Florida State University, Tallahassee, Florida 32306 Telephone: 850-644-0542 Fax: 850-644-8920 Gary E. Lofgren Planetary Materials Branch Solar System Exploration Division Code SN2 NASA Johnson Space Center Houston, Texas 77058 Telephone: 713-483-6187 Fax: 713-483-2696 The whole article is at http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/publications/pages/journal.html Chondrules are small spheres (.1 to 10mm in diameter) which are the major constituent of chondritic meteorites. Chondrites are considered samples of primitive solar system materials. If we can understand how chondrules form, we will have an important clue to the early history of our solar system. Most chondrules have an igneous texture which forms by crystal growth (usually rapid) from a supercooled melt. Such textures are commonly described as porphyritic (large, equant crystals in a fine grained matrix), barred (dendrites comprised of parallel thin blades or plates), or radiating (sprays of fine fibers). The models proposed for formation of chondrules can be divided into two groups (McSween, 1977). In one group of models, chondrules form by melting and subsequent crystallization of preexisting, largely crystalline material from the solar nebula. The primary differences between these models are the kinds of materials which are melted and the nature of the sources of heat for the melting. In the other group of models, chondrules form by condensation of liquids from the solar nebula gas which then crystallize upon cooling. Variations between these models result from differences in the condensation sequence of the minerals and melts and the temperatures of nucleation. One means of testing models of chondrule formation is to determine the conditions necessary to duplicate these textures by experimentally crystallizing chondrule melts in the laboratory. Efforts to reproduce the textures of chondrules experimentally have been successful only when we began to understand the important role that heterogeneous nucleation plays in the development of igneous rock textures. Unless heterogeneous nuclei are present in the chondrule melt, porphyritic textures will not be produced. The dendritic or radiating textures will form instead. The treatment of heterogeneous nucleation follows the model developed by Turnbull (1950) to explain many of the characteristics of heterogeneous nucleation. This model was applied to heterogeneous nucleation in basaltic systems by Lofgren (1983). Simply stated, the model says that in any steady-state melt at a given temperature there is a characteristic distribution of embryos. The embryo is crystalline material which is smaller than the critical size necessary to be a stable nucleus and cause nucleation. It is a subcritical-sized potential heterogeneous nucleus. Embryos exist whether stable, supercritically-sized nuclei are present or not. If a melt is sufficiently superheated, embryos can be eliminated. Nucleation would then require a surface, presumably the container and the barrier to nucleation would be much higher than in the case where embryos were present. Qualitatively, such nucleation would resemble homogeneous nucleation; but, if a surface is available, the energy barrier would be much lower than for homogeneous nucleation. Glasses would form from chondrule melts most readily if they are superheated, thus destroying the embryos and increasing the barrier to nucleation. Lower melting temperatures would allow embryos to be retained. These can then grow upon cooling and become nuclei. Embryos also can become nuclei without changing size, because the size at which an embryo becomes a nucleus depends upon the degree of supercooling in the melt
Re: [meteorite-list] Its Not A Crater
Hi Mike and list, coming from a family of farmers in Ohio, (and deer hunters,) It looks from the photos that there are a lot of animal tracks around it, I would ask the farmer if salt blocks were placed there for years. The animals will dig a pit after many years! even a couple. If he says No, Get a back hole and dig! Dave --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mike Hankey mike.han...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Its Not A Crater To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 10:37 PM Hi Guys, I was wondering around the fields of Lancaster PA near the high mass zone of the newly computed fall line and happened across a really weird hole. The hole is 5 feet wide, 6 feet long and about 16 inches deep. I posted pictures and information here: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/baltimore-pa-meteor/its-not-a-crater/ I'm not saying this is a crater by any means and I understand that meteorites do not make craters 99.9% of the time, however I still think its really weird and I wanted to get some feedback as to what you guys think. Please read the post and look at the pictures and lmk your thoughts. Thanks, Mike __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteor over butler county Ohio
Hi List, While hunting at my cousin's farm last week, as always, I spend 30 min. drinking coffee watching the stars before i head to my tree stand! When a bright white meteor went striking through the sky that went from north-west to south-east,(IT WAS NOT A FIRE BALL|) just a bright white meteor that when it burnt out, south east of me a bright red ball gloed for 3 sec. what looked like 50 feet from where it burnt out. ( but may have been miles in space) (no tail) then went out then glowed again as have bright red for 1 second then never never glowed again! I bet this single object hit the ground some whare in the area! Only one object glowed red after the bright white metor went out. So I am sure there is no more than one object out there! This is one of my top 5 meteor sighting! Has anyone on here seen anything like that! Dave Myers __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nasa needs earth rocks, get kids involved!
This is so cool! Nasa Mars scientist need earth rocks from around the world to test the probs like what they use on mars! They want earth rocks from everywhere! So get your kids involved in science and submit rocks from your area of the world! Wanted: rocks: 2-6 (4) perferred Include: name: age address city, county, zip code OPTIONALLAT. LONGITUDE, WHARE ROCK WAS FOUND, GEOGRAPHIC FEATURES, PICTURE OF ROCK IN HAND, PICTURE OF LOCATION(NO PEOPLE) *PHONE |# Send to: Dr.Phil Christensen Mars space flight facility Arizona State University P.O. BOX 876305 Moeur Building RM 131 Tempe AZ 85287-6305 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nasa needs earth rocks, get kids involved!
Also I forgot! On the Nasa web-site They will post a photo of your rock, area map where found, and a graph of chemical make-up of your rock. (what it is) and will post your first name only + location|! PS: If your rock turns out to be a meteorite I am not sure if you will ever get it back|! LOL, but I got a few meteor wrongs that I would love to have tested just to see what they are that otherwise, I would never know! Dace Myers --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Nasa needs earth rocks, get kids involved! To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 1:56 AM This is so cool! Nasa Mars scientist need earth rocks from around the world to test the probs like what they use on mars! They want earth rocks from everywhere! So get your kids involved in science and submit rocks from your area of the world! Wanted: rocks: 2-6 (4) perferred Include: name: age address city, county, zip code OPTIONALLAT. LONGITUDE, WHARE ROCK WAS FOUND, GEOGRAPHIC FEATURES, PICTURE OF ROCK IN HAND, PICTURE OF LOCATION(NO PEOPLE) *PHONE |# Send to: Dr.Phil Christensen Mars space flight facility Arizona State University P.O. BOX 876305 Moeur Building RM 131 Tempe AZ 85287-6305 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Geo-fair, cincinnati, ohio
Do any of the meteorite dealers on here, attend the Gem-mineral show at the Cincinnati Gardens. It is being held May 1-2, of 2010 next year! It is held by the Cincinnati mineral society, So if you have not and would like to show-up and sell, contact them...and come on down or up, or over,(lol)ect! I would love to meet some of you! Dave Myers __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list
Hi all, Sorry for starting a( big fire)-Let alone an atomic bomb, on hear! Just trying to get great info. on meteorites! Thanks, ever so much to Carl, James Baxten and to Anna Black, Who all sent me, web-site info: on resource material, or web-sites to research about meteorites, I just started collecting back in May, and most of what I buy is for 2 schools in Ohio to inspire Kids about space and science, When I get enough material, and put together a manual for them. All the stones will be loaned to the schools, For as long as the teachers use them in the class to teach! Hopefuly testing what can be done in a high school on meteorites Dave Myers ..Cincinnati __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ads,
I joined this list in May, and just started collecting meteorites at that time, I have bought all my meteorites from Eric Wickman, and on the list, I have gotten great free samples from Steve Arnold, Chicago! I do not know any of them or any of you, But If I may say, people posting ads on here of meteorites for sale, (with there pictures and class) has given me more info, than 38% of the other post! I KNOW I AM A NEWBE, AND AS OF NOW THIS IS MY RESOURCE OF LEARNING, WHAT-IS WHAT.I need to see lots of Pictures and what the classifacation is for that picture! So just not sure what the big deal is, with so little people posting Ads compared to all the other post on here! Dave Myers Cincinnati __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
