Re: [meteorite-list] What doesn't this list use an online forum format?
I agree with this too! A lot of very good info here and boy it really sucks if you go on vacation or something because you'll have 100+ emails to clean out. The least that could be done for a forum is maybe setting up something through Yahoo. It isn't that difficult to do and it would probably take an hour or two to setup. Del --- JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David and List, I don't know the answer to your questions, but they sure make sense. About a year and a half ago, I finally shut down the Meteorite Impact Forum due to a lack of participation. Even with nearly 200 registered members, there was very little traffic for the final three months. Online forums offer a lot of updated features that the old mail servers don't. The one feature that I really like, and is reason enough to use a forum, is that replies stay in chronological order. I don't know about the rest of you, but it's very frustrating for me to try and read all the replies to a thread in order. I end up reading all the replies and then try guessing what order they should be in. If you miss even one reply, some threads don't make sense. With a forum, this doesn't happen. My only guess is that the Meteorite List has been around for a long time ( I've been here for 10 years) that no one wants to mess with convention. Or, could it be an old dog/new trick issue? Best, John At 12:56 PM 2/21/2008, David Kitt Deyarmin wrote: I'm not trying to stir up trouble or incite arguments I'm just curious. Email lists are by today's standard an antiquated venue for discussing any hobby. They have many limitations and can be taxing on your email inbox, which is why I receive the Dailey Digest. I delete them and do all of my reading from the archives. Online forums are easier to use and the posted info is easier to track. Plus it's easy to ignore topics that you're not interested in without having to pick through a bunch of emails. However, I would like to understand why so many of the members here prefer not to use forums. I want to make it clear that I'm not trying stir up trouble, I'm just trying to understand the aversion most of this list has to using a forum. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What doesn't this list use an onlineforum format?
I'll give that a try Norton. Thanks! Del --- Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Del Greg, If you visit the meteoritecentral site (the home of this list), and check your own subscription settings you will notice that there is an option to deactivate email delivery for times such as vacation - it's just one click, and you won't have to wade through hundreds of emails after your return. And then there is the digest mode, and much more. Yeap, mailing lists did evolve during the last decade, and they are surely not out of time ,-) To me, being part of this list is like walking into my favorite pub after work. I often meet old friends, make new friends, and I'm free to participate in discussions, and I'm free to relax or to listen to all the meteorite gossip going on. Sometimes there's even a good deal to be had, or firsthand information on new finds and falls that would be hard to find without having to search the net for hours and hours. And if I don't like a post or a thread there's always the good old delete key. Forums can be neat, for sure - but they are usually more like that modern type of bar with separate rooms where some folks get together at this, and others on that table. Most of the meteorite forums I've visited thus far are lacking the chaotic but familiar charm of this list. Thanks to Art for all his efforts to keep this good old list up and running! Cheers, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi Del, I agree with you. If I'm away from my computer for just a few days, I have a couple of hundred e-mails to go through. What a pain. Plus, I have to look very carefully at the e-mails because I delete the vast majority of the ones from the meteorite list. If I don't check the e-mails carefully, I may delete an actual e-mail from a friend. It's happened before. I've moderated a Yahoo Group (forum) for about 6 years and it is much more user friendly than the Meteorite List. I love all of the knowledge that is given out by the members of this list. I just wish it didn't come to me in my e-mail. With respect, Greg Lindh Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:35:18 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What doesn't this list use an online forum format? I agree with this too! A lot of very good info here and boy it really sucks if you go on vacation or something because you'll have 100+ emails to clean out. The least that could be done for a forum is maybe setting up something through Yahoo. It isn't that difficult to do and it would probably take an hour or two to setup. Del --- JKGwilliam wrote: David and List, I don't know the answer to your questions, but they sure make sense. About a year and a half ago, I finally shut down the Meteorite Impact Forum due to a lack of participation. Even with nearly 200 registered members, there was very little traffic for the final three months. Online forums offer a lot of updated features that the old mail servers don't. The one feature that I really like, and is reason enough to use a forum, is that replies stay in chronological order. I don't know about the rest of you, but it's very frustrating for me to try and read all the replies to a thread in order. I end up reading all the replies and then try guessing what order they should be in. If you miss even one reply, some threads don't make sense. With a forum, this doesn't happen. My only guess is that the Meteorite List has been around for a long time ( I've been here for 10 years) that no one wants to mess with convention. Or, could it be an old dog/new trick issue? Best, John At 12:56 PM 2/21/2008, David Kitt Deyarmin wrote: I'm not trying to stir up trouble or incite arguments I'm just curious. Email lists are by today's standard an antiquated venue for discussing any hobby. They have many limitations and can be taxing on your email inbox, which is why I receive the Dailey Digest. I delete them and do all of my reading from the archives. Online forums are easier to use and the posted info is easier to track. Plus it's easy to ignore topics that you're not interested in without having to pick through a bunch of emails. However, I would like to understand why so many of the members here prefer not to use forums. I want to make it clear that I'm not trying stir up trouble, I'm just trying to understand the aversion most of this list has to using a forum. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __
Re: [meteorite-list] Metal detector and Tucson collecting advice requests
Jon get the White's GMT model! A lot of the guys I hunt with use these and they're excellent for meteorite hunting. I've seen guys pluck 1/4 gram Chondrites with these with no problem. Dealers try to pedal the MXT because it is one of the most popular detectors and it's more expensive than the GMT. It's an all around detector meaning it's designed to use for coin/relic and gold hunting. It has a lower frequency than the GMT so you probably wouldn't be able to pick up really small Chondrites with it. To learn more about detecting sign up on this forum- http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=8 There's a lot of knowledgeable people on it that will be glad to help you get started in hunting. Hope this helps! Del --- Frederick J. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm a science teacher and have been collecting meteorites for decades and have amassed a wonderful teaching collection. The one thing I haven't done yet is search for my own meteorites and I'd like to do that now. I visited the White's dealer in CT and he recommended the MXT or DFX models and I wondered what people thought of those models compared to the more highly recommended Gold Master model. It doesn't appear that there is much difference between models but I'm sure there is some. All models seem capable of detecting iron and nickel as well as other minerals found in meteorites. I'd like to get the best model I can afford for the job so if I don't find anything I don't have to blame it on the detector. I majored in Geology and did quite a lot of field collecting and work and am really looking forward to trying my hand at this. I also will be traveling to Tucson, AZ to visit relatives in a few months and hoped that if you have searched for meteorites near Tucson you might be willing to e-mail me about your experiences and share location info. and/or advice. Thanks for any help you can give! Jon Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bill - LIST ADMIN PLEASE READ
I agree with Moni 100% (hi Moni!). I want to hear about meteorites, not some person whining about whomever for whatever. I just figure a lot of the people on this list like the nonsense drama or something. Maybe this list should be turned into a forum? It's a good idea! Then I won't have to delete the 100+ daily emails that isn't useful info and the people tho like the drama can do it in there own posts. Del --- Moni Waiblinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Geoff and list members, I agree with you100%. I had it also when people have no compassion and when people send posts that are so negative and give false informations about another. You know it happens way too often. Regards, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:26:42 -0700 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bill - LIST ADMIN PLEASE READ Dear Listees and List Admin: I have been a member of this forum for well over ten years. I follow the List guidelines and try to contribute positive information to the community. Like many of you, I post occasional ads for my meteorite website or eBay sales. Apologies for forgetting to include AD in the header of one email, one time. Big deal. As best I can remember, Bill has contributed nothing of note to our community except for sarcastic one-liners and REPEATED criticism of, and attacks upon, other List members. Why is this kind of behavior allowed in our friendly community? I take issue with Bill's comment that I am almost as special as both Steves as it implies that there is something wrong with the Steve Arnolds, both of whom are friends of mine. Further, a sweet young lady who is only in her twenties, is very popular in our community, and is in hospital undergoing life-threatening heart surgery, has been accused in front of her friends of being a notorious swindler with a myriad of ebay shills. How will a public post like that impact a sensitive young person while she is trying to recover from major surgery? How vile must a person be to write something like that at a time like this? LIST ADMIN PLEASE TAKE NOTE: We have rules in place regarding behavior in our community. Bill contributes absolutely nothing useful to this forum, and has gone too far this time. Please remove this do-nothing troublemaker permanently from this List. Anyone who feels the same way, please forward your comments to the List Admin, or write to me off-List, and I will supply you with his email address. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Since Scale Cubes are a topic today
Yeah I guess it would be nice to have a 3D laser scanning machine to scan all my meteorites into. However I don't have a few hundred thousand dollars (or maybe millions) to spend right now on something like this. So I'll have to settle for the next best thing (and the cheapest) using my very own scale cube I paid 25 bucks for. Either way, I think the scale cube is excellent for figuring out the general size of an object in a photograph. It's better than using a coin because you get that third dimension that coins lack. Del --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Matthias said the introduction of the scalecube into the natural scene is the insertion of the Absolute, the Platonic Ideal. Yes, true, and, as such, tells us so much more about the beings making the photograph than it does about the object being photographed. As for using scalecubes as a basis for measuration, you can utilize an existing arsenal of projective geometric calculation in a pinch. But, if what you wanted from the start was measurement, you would photograph everything by placing it inside a half cube -- floor, back, and side -- that was white and gridded off in your choice of units (centimeters, inches, or the 60th part of a Babylonian cubit), and shooting it at different orientations (6). It would then be medium easy to use a computer algorithm that would convert the images to measurements or a 3D model in a few teraflops. This is what should be done with meteorites (and Moon Rocks, and pieces of UFO's if you got'em). Then, instead of pictures of the Meteorite of the Day, we would have the virtual object of the Meteorite of the Day. It wouldn't be scientifically useless to be doing that with important pieces even today. Maybe, scalecubes are just more Fun? Cooler? Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: David Kitt Deyarmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Since Scale Cubes are a topic today I'm going to have to disagree with you. Another hobby I have is making replicas of props from various science fiction movies I have used photos to reverse engineer parts and have done so with amazing accuracy A perfect example is an MG-81 Flash Hider/ Booster that was use on Han Solo's Blaster from Star Wars. This part went unidentified for 26 years but I and a small group of hobbyists created and manufactured replica of this part from the various available photos. About 3 years ago, it was finally identified and a mint specimen was found and borrowed, they have a value of about $3000 so we were lucky the guy let use it. To even my own surprise my Flash Hider was surprisingly accurate to the real thing. Here is a picture, the real prop is on top and my replica is on the bottom http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Flashhiders.jpg Bear in mind that this is just one image of a single prop, they used a variety of props and each had variances in the parts. For instance in the above picture the holes are look smaller but there are other pictures that they look bigger. However, when I compared my replica to a real MG-81 Flash Hider most of my measurements were off by less then .005 of an inch which is pretty good. - Hi, All Measurement from a photo with a scalecube in it is impossible except in the case of a very elaborate photo setup designed to make such measurements possible and even then, the precision is low. aying Sterling K. Webb - __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Since Scale Cubes are a topic today
I seem to remember a few months back someone posted a link that told the sory of the Scale Cube. I was wondering what that link is so I can read it. Del __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Since Scale Cubes are a topic today
Thanks Mike! Del --- Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteorite-scalecube.htm Best, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Delbert Waterbury Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:04 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Since Scale Cubes are a topic today I seem to remember a few months back someone posted a link that told the sory of the Scale Cube. I was wondering what that link is so I can read it. Del __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Since Scale Cubes are a topic today
Hi Sterling, yeah I agree with you to a point. However I'll throw this in there for you: I am a Mechanical Design Engineer and occasionally I pick up projects of something someone built and all they have is a picture with no documentated dimensions or anything to help you figure the size out. So I have to get an X dimension and a Y dimension from that person, calculate the scale of the photograph, then start designing away. This is not the most accurate way to design things, but you can get the design in the ballpark range. So in a situation like I describe above, do you think a scale cube could help out? Absolutely! I've experienced this first hand. Using a scale cube is a lot better and more accurate that someone telling me oh yeah, that part is about XX long. So if you ask me about taking measurements from a photo's I'll tell heck yeah you can do it. As for putting a quarter in a picture for scale. Yea I think this is good too because most people know the exact size of a quarter and they can visualise it a lot easier. However the major problem with a quarter is the fact that it lacks the third dimension. Since I hunt meteorites, a scale cube is perfect for my in-situ pics. And no, I'm not planning on using it for exact measurements because I have no intention of selling any of my finds. Just my two cents. Del --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, All I hate to sound a sour note, but these artifacts are for SCALE, not measurement. I think it's wonderful that folks make them accurate to +/- 0.001 inch or millimeter, out of materials with low coefficients of expansion, and so forth, but that is purely an exercise in personal perfectionism. Measurement from a photo with a scalecube in it is impossible except in the case of a very elaborate photo setup designed to make such measurements possible and even then, the precision is low. The purpose of a scalecube is SCALE ONLY. Scale is a measurement so crude that we don't even apply the word measurement to it. Originally, they were for use in the field only. You could carry it in your pocket and drop it on the ground for the in situ photo. Putting them into a lab photo is an affectation and serves only the PR purpose of making a photo of a rock look scientific. (There were people who said, We paid billions to go to the Moon, and this is what we get: a picture of a rock? And you could point to the scalecube and say, Nah! See, it's Science.) During the scalecube threadflood, Dean Bessey kept saying, Just put a quarter in the photo. Apparently, he understands that the purpose of the object is Scale, not Measurement! If you see a picture of a rock with a featureless white background and there's a quarter next to it, you know it's a little rock. If you see a picture of a rock with a featureless white background and there's me standing next to it, you know it's a big rock. Making the scalecube artifact with such great care and precision is admirable and very enjoyable, but let's apply a little perspective to the purpose of the cube. And I DO admire the makers' pride in precision. Precision is a fine thing (say I, who have ancient Starrett verniers and micro- meters in their old wooden boxes, so I understand), but precision is NOT the purpose of the cube. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Delbert Waterbury' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Since Scale Cubes are a topic today http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/meteorite-scalecube.htm Best, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Delbert Waterbury Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:04 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Since Scale Cubes are a topic today I seem to remember a few months back someone posted a link that told the story of the Scale Cube. I was wondering what that link is so I can read it. Del __ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
