Re: [meteorite-list] what???
Good Question, I'm not sure. I know one can start with And, although it is frowned upon, hehe. Or at least thats is what my 7th grade English teacher taught me. Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Rob Wesel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Devin Schrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what??? In my writing, I tend to overuse, that is to say, I don't fully understand the usage of, among other forms of punctuation (or articles for that matter), the comma. But clearly Devin, the usage of "and etc." is a gross misuse of the English language, a simple "etc." should suffice. Can a sentence start with "But"? Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: "Devin Schrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what??? Jason, I was simply taken back by you talking about meteorites as only commercial items, and using the operator 'some' in regards to the amount of scientific value of meteorites. As if they are only important because people can make money off of them. Don't get me wrong, I think meteorite dealers and the business is great (and has done great things for the scientific community), but to call what we can learn from them minuscule, is sad and obviously misinformed. It would seem that I am disagreeing with you. I do not see it as a mere 'some'. But, all are entitled to their own opinion and mine is only one of many. And this email probably seems like an unprovoked Sunday attack on a subject in an email that has nothing to do with the original topic. And perhaps very uncalled for and misconstrued. True, I admit that. I am stressed beyond recognition studying for my finals tomorrow and needed something to do. And oh yeah, go right ahead and insult my English. I think a chimp could spell, talk and probably write better than I will ever be able too. So I congratulate you calling me out. But, that's why I am not an English major. (Or maybe thats why I should have been one??) So if you want to get into a fight about sentence fragments, run-on sentences, and using the word ain't; don't waste your time, because you will undoubtedly win. But all in all, I've procrastinated enough, back to learning about Thermal Physics and etc. Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Jason Utas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what??? Hello Devin, All, Well, yes, they do have "...some scientific value," don't they? Are you disagreeing with me? As that statement did not refer to the main issue that I was discussing at the time, I decided to put less emphasis on that statement than on the real topic. As it seems that nearly everyone posting after mine has agreed with my point, on the pricing and true value of meteorites (in case you happened to miss that bit), I see no flaw in my letter. If you'd like to talk about the scientific value of meteorites, go right ahead. Oh, one more thing. "Maybe just a poorly worded sentence." isn't a complete sentence. ;n) And it would be "I have no comment," not, as you said, "I got no comment." Regards, Jason On 5/8/05, Devin Schrader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What?? "...they do have some scientific value..." Yeah you're right, meteorites are fairly scientifically insignificant, we can't really learn anything from them. No seriously, are you kidding?? Only some scientific value?? Wow. Maybe just a poorly worded sentence. But if that is what you think about meteorites, wow. Beyond that, I got no comment. Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Jason Utas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DaG 400 for $500/gr. where? Hello All, Seems to me that using website prices isn't too good of an idea. After all, meteorites are only worth what people are willing to pay for them -- they have no practical value or set price. In fact, they're really just collectors' items now (they do have some scientific value but I know for a fact that most of you collectors and dealers aren't in it for the science). Website prices merely reflect the opinions of a few select individuals trying to make a profit -- if you really take website prices seriously we should all be paying $1.50 - $6 per gram for Sikhote Alin. I've never paid that in my six years collecting...and hope never never to for a Sikhote... Ebay is the one true place left where the buyers set the price, therefor,
Re: [meteorite-list] what???
Jason, I was simply taken back by you talking about meteorites as only commercial items, and using the operator 'some' in regards to the amount of scientific value of meteorites. As if they are only important because people can make money off of them. Don't get me wrong, I think meteorite dealers and the business is great (and has done great things for the scientific community), but to call what we can learn from them minuscule, is sad and obviously misinformed. It would seem that I am disagreeing with you. I do not see it as a mere 'some'. But, all are entitled to their own opinion and mine is only one of many. And this email probably seems like an unprovoked Sunday attack on a subject in an email that has nothing to do with the original topic. And perhaps very uncalled for and misconstrued. True, I admit that. I am stressed beyond recognition studying for my finals tomorrow and needed something to do. And oh yeah, go right ahead and insult my English. I think a chimp could spell, talk and probably write better than I will ever be able too. So I congratulate you calling me out. But, that's why I am not an English major. (Or maybe thats why I should have been one??) So if you want to get into a fight about sentence fragments, run-on sentences, and using the word ain't; don't waste your time, because you will undoubtedly win. But all in all, I've procrastinated enough, back to learning about Thermal Physics and etc. Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Jason Utas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what??? Hello Devin, All, Well, yes, they do have "...some scientific value," don't they? Are you disagreeing with me? As that statement did not refer to the main issue that I was discussing at the time, I decided to put less emphasis on that statement than on the real topic. As it seems that nearly everyone posting after mine has agreed with my point, on the pricing and true value of meteorites (in case you happened to miss that bit), I see no flaw in my letter. If you'd like to talk about the scientific value of meteorites, go right ahead. Oh, one more thing. "Maybe just a poorly worded sentence." isn't a complete sentence. ;n) And it would be "I have no comment," not, as you said, "I got no comment." Regards, Jason On 5/8/05, Devin Schrader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What?? "...they do have some scientific value..." Yeah you're right, meteorites are fairly scientifically insignificant, we can't really learn anything from them. No seriously, are you kidding?? Only some scientific value?? Wow. Maybe just a poorly worded sentence. But if that is what you think about meteorites, wow. Beyond that, I got no comment. Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Jason Utas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DaG 400 for $500/gr. where? Hello All, Seems to me that using website prices isn't too good of an idea. After all, meteorites are only worth what people are willing to pay for them -- they have no practical value or set price. In fact, they're really just collectors' items now (they do have some scientific value but I know for a fact that most of you collectors and dealers aren't in it for the science). Website prices merely reflect the opinions of a few select individuals trying to make a profit -- if you really take website prices seriously we should all be paying $1.50 - $6 per gram for Sikhote Alin. I've never paid that in my six years collecting...and hope never never to for a Sikhote... Ebay is the one true place left where the buyers set the price, therefor, it should give a good estimate of the current market value of meteorites. If people are only willing to pay $500 per gram for that stone (on ebay), guess what -- it's probably worth only that. Regards, Jason On 5/8/05, Bob Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matteo, > > Please use the phrase " ebay is where meteorites sell low ". Its > alot better than " prices go in ruin ". > When you write it, its kind of like nails on a chalkboard. > > Write it down and keep it for future reference > > Thanks > Bob > - Original Message - > From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DaG 400 for $500/gr. where? > > > Hello > > > > I not look ebay, ebay its only a site where the prices > > go in ruin...I look only the meteorite dealers. > > > > Matteo > > > > --- Rob Wesel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > >> Here is
Re: [meteorite-list] what???
What?? "...they do have some scientific value..." Yeah you're right, meteorites are fairly scientifically insignificant, we can't really learn anything from them. No seriously, are you kidding?? Only some scientific value?? Wow. Maybe just a poorly worded sentence. But if that is what you think about meteorites, wow. Beyond that, I got no comment. Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Jason Utas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DaG 400 for $500/gr. where? Hello All, Seems to me that using website prices isn't too good of an idea. After all, meteorites are only worth what people are willing to pay for them -- they have no practical value or set price. In fact, they're really just collectors' items now (they do have some scientific value but I know for a fact that most of you collectors and dealers aren't in it for the science). Website prices merely reflect the opinions of a few select individuals trying to make a profit -- if you really take website prices seriously we should all be paying $1.50 - $6 per gram for Sikhote Alin. I've never paid that in my six years collecting...and hope never never to for a Sikhote... Ebay is the one true place left where the buyers set the price, therefor, it should give a good estimate of the current market value of meteorites. If people are only willing to pay $500 per gram for that stone (on ebay), guess what -- it's probably worth only that. Regards, Jason On 5/8/05, Bob Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matteo, Please use the phrase " ebay is where meteorites sell low ". Its alot better than " prices go in ruin ". When you write it, its kind of like nails on a chalkboard. Write it down and keep it for future reference Thanks Bob - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DaG 400 for $500/gr. where? > Hello > > I not look ebay, ebay its only a site where the prices > go in ruin...I look only the meteorite dealers. > > Matteo > > --- Rob Wesel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: >> Here is the reference Matteo, $468 per gram >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6528962545 >> >> Rob Wesel >> http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com >> -- >> We are the music makers... >> and we are the dreamers of the dreams. >> Willy Wonka, 1971 >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 10:13 AM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] DaG 400 for $500/gr. >> where? >> >> >> > According to a character here inside, DaG 400 its >> sold >> > now for $500/gr. Please inform me where find this, >> I >> > want buy a 10 gr. slice..For the moment i have >> > seen this: >> > >> > Vassiliev/Moritz $1500/gr. >> > Twelker $1000/gr. >> > Fernlea $25,000/gr. >> > Lang $3469/gr. >> > >> > etc.I not see any person sale for $500/gr., >> > probably this person it has drunk the brain >> > >> > Matteo >> > >> > >> > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato >> > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, >> ITALY >> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it >> > Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info >> > International Meteorite Collectors Association >> #2140 >> > MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com >> > >> > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: >> Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, >> > Giochi, Rubrica. Scaricalo ora! >> > http://it.messenger.yahoo.it >> > __ >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > >> >> >> > > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it > Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 > MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.
Re: [meteorite-list] Sad night in Arizona :(
:( 1 point Devin - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sad night in Arizona :( I just got home from watching the most exciting game for a long time! The UofA team was so close, up 15 points, but they threw it away in the last few minutes. Great game, great run, too bad it is over for us. Mike Farmer Oh well, back to meteorites now. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson wins!!
I was on my feet screaming and yelling for the last five minutes (an yes, even during the time outs and commercials), attempting to study for my Quantum Mechanics test in the morning.What a time to be a Wildcat! UA!!! Devin - Original Message - From: "Bob Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "DNAndrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson wins!! For me it is a HUGE topic right now. How 'bout those 'Cats?! Beardown Bob - Original Message - From: "DNAndrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson wins!! It wasn't pretty, but...Whew! What a game! Your local "meteorite" basketball team is off to the "Elite 8"!!! Hope Norman wagered on the right team. Dave Vitale (Baby!) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] , AD-NWA 482
Hello All, My father has been trying to post this AD to the list for awhile now with no success, so he asked me to post it. Hope you are all enjoying your weekend. Devin Schrader From Jack Schrader: Dear list members, I have four partslices of NWA 482 (lunar) for sale. The slices were prepared professionally and perfectly in Germany and are 1mm in thickness. Each slice is approximately 60 x 70 mm for maximum surface area to minimum weight ratio and each slice also has at least 75% fusioncrust. The weights are 7.1, 7.3, 8.5 and 8.8 grams. Each one of these spectacularly beautiful museum quality specimens has varying large areas of black impact melt glass. And the best part is: I am asking ONLY $1500.00 a gram for these partslices. I have never seen this material offered anywhere for less than $2500 a gram before. I will gladly email photos to interested parties. Please contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jack Schrader IMCA# 2329 - Original Message - From: "Devin Schrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] , test-DELETE test __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale
ok...but its not allende that Steve is selling (murchison??), unless i missed something ealier. Devin - Original Message - From: "Michael Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Michael Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] ad talampaya and murchison forsale Hi Steve, Didn't you just tell the list how you got that allende for $2 a gram? That's quite a mark-up, or is there a typo in the price? Maybe you're trying to make up for all those freebies you gave away!! Mike ___ Hi list.I have a 2 gram fragment of murchison and talampaya forsale for $225 for the 2 of them.They will come with specimen cards and both in riker boxes.I will also supply the shipping for them also.Let me know. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Well Said. Devin - Original Message - From: "Norbert Classen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rob Wesel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bernhard Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out > Hi Rob, and All, > > Wow, you really know what's going on. Most of the Dhofar, SaU, DaG, > and HaH finds are documented, i.e., we have the exact find locations > and find circumstances on record, published in the Meteoritical > Bulletin, and these data can be accessed by anyone who has the desire > to do so. This is also true for a few selected NWA meteorites, but > most of these lack proper documentation for obvious reasons. And a > lack of proper documentation, i.e. exact find locations makes it > really hard to say which meteorites may be paired or not. Dou you > see the difference? > > Hey, and there are no other "demands" on the meteorites from Oman, > Libya, or other desert areas compared to the demands on NWAs - their > pairing is mostly established by scientists, at least for the rare > classes. Several of the meteorite hunters that go to Oman, or Libya > are scientists, or even seasoned meteoriticists, and they are doing > an excellent job in the field, and in the lab. Please don't disregard > this by simple, and misleading statements. Thanks. > > Best, > Norbert > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > > > Dhofar 010, 020, 007.. > > Not necessarily better documentation, just exemption from the pairing > > demands on NWA. > > > > Rob Wesel > > -- > > We are the music makers... > > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
No, Dhofar does have better documentation than the majority of NWAs. GPS coordinates are required for Dhofar, JaH, SAU, ect. Unlike the typical 'GPS' coordinates for NWAs = 'bought in Tucson' Devin - Original Message - From: "Rob Wesel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bernhard Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out > Dhofar 010, 020, 007.. > Not necessarily better documentation, just exemption from the pairing > demands on NWA. > > Rob Wesel > -- > We are the music makers... > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bernhard Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'almitt'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:45 PM > Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out > > > This is an ongoing discussion between Martin and me :-) > > Martin is totally right: The meteorites from Oman and the ones from Dar > Al Gani are much better documented. He's always wondering why I am so > fond of the NWA's and disregard the Dhofars, Dags and HaHs. > > Well, actually, I don't :-). I have some of them, even main masses. But > yes, I am a NWA junkie in some way. This isn't a rational thing. It's > just affection in some way. Offer me a NWA number I don't have, and I'll > most probably buy it, whether it is classified or not. That's the > irrational part of my addiction, and I am not ashame for it. > > And he calls me Bernd just because we are in love *g*. > > Bernhard > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: NASA ANNOUNCES SITE OF "GREAT DYING"METEORCRATER
Thanks for the sites, I've read her papers but it never seemed like she had enough conclusive evidence to prove her theory, never solid enough. I wonder if she found it. Devin - Original Message - From: "Paul H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: NASA ANNOUNCES SITE OF "GREAT DYING"METEORCRATER > FW: NASA ANNOUNCES SITE OF "GREAT DYING" METEORCRATER > Devin Schrader asked: > > >I wonder if they found enough evidence for > Antarctica? > > The password "beckerImpact" sounds like an illusion > to: > Dr. Luann Becker's work in Antarctica. > > Some of her web pages are: > > "Exploring Antarctica: Understanding Earth and Beyond" > http://beckerantarctica.crustal.ucsb.edu/index.html > http://beckerantarctica.crustal.ucsb.edu/photo_journal_week3.html > > Her research papers are found at: > > http://beckerantarctica.crustal.ucsb.edu/research_papers.html > > Some of them are: > > ROBERT J. POREDA and LUANN BECKER, 2003, Fullerenes > and Interplanetary Dust at the Permian-Triassic > Boundary. > Astrobiology. Volume 3, Number 1, 2003 > http://beckerantarctica.crustal.ucsb.edu/downloads/poreda.pdf > > Basu, A. R., Petaev, M. I., Poreda, R. J., Jacobsen, > S. B., and Becker, L., 2003, Chondritic meteorite > fragments associated with the Permian-Triassic > boundary in Antarctica. Science. vol. 302, > pp.1388-1392. > http://beckerantarctica.crustal.ucsb.edu/downloads/chondritic_meteorite_fragments.pdf > > Luann Becker, 2002, Repeated Blows. Scientific > American. > vol. ?, pp. 78-83. > http://beckerantarctica.crustal.ucsb.edu/downloads/blows.pdf > > Another paper is: > > Impact Event at the Permian-Triassic Boundary: > Evidence > from Extraterrestrial Noble Gases in Fullerene. Luann > Becker, Robert J. Poreda, Andrew G. Hunt, Theodore E. > Bunch and Michael Rampino in Science, Vol. 291, > pp. 1530-1533; February 23, 2001. > > Then there is: > > 11/26/03 - Claystone Breccia on Mt. Crean. > http://beckerantarctica.crustal.ucsb.edu/week3_6.html > > This breccia might be at the distal edge of the ejecta > blanket from an impact crater. > > Regardless, it will be quite fun wherever they > hypothesize it to be. :-) :-) If this works out, > she will have made her name. > > Yours, > > Paul > Baton Rouge, LA > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' > http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861 > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: NASA ANNOUNCES SITE OF "GREAT DYING" METEORCRATER
I wonder if they found enough evidence for Antarctica? Devin - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: NASA ANNOUNCES SITE OF "GREAT DYING" METEORCRATER > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:00 AM > To: undisclosed-recipients > Subject: NASA ANNOUNCES SITE OF "GREAT DYING" METEOR CRATER > > > Donald Savage > Headquarters, WashingtonMay 12, 2004 > (Phone: 202/358-1547) > > Gail Gallessich > University of California, Santa Barbara > (Phone: 805/893-7220) > > NOTE TO EDITORS: N04-069 > > NASA ANNOUNCES SITE OF "GREAT DYING" METEOR CRATER > > Researchers funded by NASA and the National Science > Foundation have located the site of an impact crater. The > crater is believed to be associated with the largest > extinction event in Earth's history about 250 million years > ago. > > The researchers will report their findings and reveal the site > of the crater at 2 p.m. EDT, Thursday, May 13, 2004, during a > press teleconference. > > Panelists are: > -- Luann Becker, geologist, University of California, Santa > Barbara, Calif. > -- Robert Poreda, geochemist, University of Rochester, N.Y. > -- Kevin Pope, geologist, Geo Eco Arc Research, Aquasco, Md. > -- Douglas H. Erwin, Senior Paleobiologist, National Museum of > Natural History, Washington > -- Michael New, astrobiology discipline scientist, NASA > Headquarters, Washington; panel moderator > > Reporters may call in to the press conference to hear the > presentation and participate in the question-and-answer > session, while following the presentations on a Web site. > > The phone numbers for reporters to call into the press > conference are: 1/888/790-1919 or 1/712/271-0046. The password > is: Impact SSU > > The Web site for reporters to access the presentations: > > http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/astrobio > > Password: beckerImpact > > -end- > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sorry/repeat
Sorry about that repeat, my internet server was down and might have double up on that message. Just hope thats the only one. Devin - Original Message - From: "Devin Schrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending > Just a reminder, I have no auctions ending tonight. > Thanks, > Devin > > > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:47 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > Just a quick note to let you know we have well over a hundred auctions > > ending tonight. These auctions are drawn from the largest inventory of > > classified NWA meteorites in the world. A great deal of these offerings > are > > rare types and most still can be had at a serious bargain. To see these > > auctions check out the ebay link below and click on "Go see all current > > items for sale by this member". > > > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ > > > > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. > > > > Adam and Greg Hupe > > The Hupe Collection > > Team LunarRock > > IMCA 2185 > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Classification (general)
Hi Mike, I do a bit, only as much as breaks in school work will allow me (which isn't too much lately). One could easily write a book (or books) on each group. I refere you to a great book that covers most meteorite types in rich detail: Reviews in Minerology, Volume 36: Planetary Materials, J.J. Papike (editor), 1998. ISSN 0275-0279 Publisher: Minerological Society of America I don't want to ramble, so i'll make the answer short. Why a thin section of the meteorite? So that the sample is transparent (but not too thin) so that one can look at it under a optical microscope with transmitted light and find it's Petrologic Type (3-6) according to Van Schums and Wood (1967) criteria. Then the sample is put in an electron microprobe to find it's Group, by finding it's bulk composition. The electron microprobe does not destroy the sample, it only makes tiny pits about the size of the beam (which is very small). A plot of Olivine (Fa#) vs. wt % Co in Kamacite are used to put it in a group (H, L, LL). Hope this answered some of your questions, Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Mike / flattoprocks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Devin Schrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending > Hello Devin, I understand that you work in the classifaction of meteorites. > I was wondering if you could go into a little detail as to what that means. > I understand we could write a book about all the different types and so on. > But the basic process and why a thin section? How do you know the total > amount of metal in a sample without destroying the sample? > I would be very interested in your comments. > Mike Miller // E-Bay flattoprocks > - Original Message - > From: "Devin Schrader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending > > > > Just a reminder, I have no auctions ending tonight. > > Thanks, > > Devin > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:47 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending > > > > > > > Dear List Members, > > > > > > Just a quick note to let you know we have well over a hundred auctions > > > ending tonight. These auctions are drawn from the largest inventory of > > > classified NWA meteorites in the world. A great deal of these offerings > > are > > > rare types and most still can be had at a serious bargain. To see these > > > auctions check out the ebay link below and click on "Go see all current > > > items for sale by this member". > > > > > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ > > > > > > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. > > > > > > Adam and Greg Hupe > > > The Hupe Collection > > > Team LunarRock > > > IMCA 2185 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending
Just a reminder, I have no auctions ending tonight. Thanks, Devin - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending > Dear List Members, > > Just a quick note to let you know we have well over a hundred auctions > ending tonight. These auctions are drawn from the largest inventory of > classified NWA meteorites in the world. A great deal of these offerings are > rare types and most still can be had at a serious bargain. To see these > auctions check out the ebay link below and click on "Go see all current > items for sale by this member". > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ > > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. > > Adam and Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > Team LunarRock > IMCA 2185 > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending
Just a reminder, I have no auctions ending tonight. Thanks, Devin - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Several Excellent Auctions Ending > Dear List Members, > > Just a quick note to let you know we have well over a hundred auctions > ending tonight. These auctions are drawn from the largest inventory of > classified NWA meteorites in the world. A great deal of these offerings are > rare types and most still can be had at a serious bargain. To see these > auctions check out the ebay link below and click on "Go see all current > items for sale by this member". > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ > > Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. > > Adam and Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > Team LunarRock > IMCA 2185 > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Franconia Area Meteorites
Hello, I know I incoherently rambled on for too long earlier, but I think my message might have led to some unintential confusion due to how tired I was when I wrote it. There are many different unpaired meteorites from Gold Basin. I didn't mean to claim that all of the meteorites from there are the same. I was just refering to paired samples of Gold Basin that have gone into universities and broadened the understanding of the Gold Basin meteorite as a whole. We, in the south west, live in a great area for meteorites and meteorites have been falling for a long time. The meteorites love our droughts and the pittiful rain when it does fall. I can't wait to see the classifications that come out the Franconia area. Ten or so new ones would give a great boost the Arizona total and show other states that we have meteorites too (hehe). Claiming I know what i'm talking about (or at least hoping I do), Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Franconia Area Meteorites > Apparently the List was down yesterday when I > orginally sent my reply to Tracy, and since then Devin > has done a good job of answering Tracy's question. > But I'll resend this anyway, because I want to > pesonally extend kudos to Rubin and Mike for the good > job they have done in the handling of their > Franconia/Buck Mountain/Dutch Flat Area meteorite > finds:-- Bob V. > > - > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:27:10 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Franconia Area Meteorites > To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > We shouldn't exclude from the Gold Basin Area list all > of the "Gold Basin L5" and the "Gold Basin L6" stones, > because I think this is what Tracy was referring to. > Acceptance of these names has met with resistance, > (myself included), yet > there is no denying that these are formally approved > names (I have the message from Jeff Grossman that > formally approves their usage). > But the point to be remembered here is that all of > these various L-meteorites from Gold Basin are deemed > by the NomComm to be from the same fall. > That's why they lumped all of them together under the > name "Gold Basin". > > But it is doubtful that this "special case" for Gold > Basin will have any bearing on the naming of Franconia > area meteorites. Here there is ample evidence of > separate falls, if not overlapping strewn fields. > > So, based on the reports of Rubin Garcia & Mike Miller > - that ASU estimates ~10 different chondrites from > this area - the typical response to the phrase > "Franconia meteorite" will be "Okay, but WHICH > Franconia meteorite?" > > And who gets to decide which ones are paired? > > Also, I don't feel it's "safe to assume" that enough > Franconia specimens are being properly examined, let > alone classified. And that's why the effort put > forward by Garcia & Miller is so notable; it's because > they are the exception, and not the rule. They > deserve major kudos for this effort in getting so many > of their specimens examined and classified. > > It's because of this effort (and they're being local > to Franconia) and ever since Mike contacted me back in > November about their new finds, that I have been > slowly winding down my involvement with this locality. > So I agree with John, if anyone has any questions > regarding the types of meteorites being found in this > "hot-spot", you should contact Ruben or Mike. I've > already mentioned in a previous post that, if you have > a Franconia specimen that you want examined, you > should forward it to ASU Center for Meteorite Studies. > > And finally, about my slices of Franconia (H5), I > would feel more comfortable if we were to refer to > this stone the John Wolfe meteorite, since he is the > finder of that stone. My involvement with that stone > was supposed to be temporary. It was my intention, > after getting it classified for John, to keep that > stone in Arizona - in the ASU collection. But after > more than a year of negotiating, they ended taking an > unclassified specimen from a meteorite dealer. I > would still prefer to see Franconia (H5) kept in > Arizona, but what is Arizona's loss might become some > collector's gain. > > Bob V. > > --- > > > At 02:17 AM 4/9/2
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Area Meteorites
Hello, The ones you refere to as being 'lumped' as Gold Basin are 'lumped' with Gold Basin because they are Gold Basin. The original body that entered the atmosphere and became Gold Basin was large enough that it had varying degrees of thermal metemorphism. Many, many of these 'different' Gold Basin stones have been classified by univerisities. There is plenty of data on these other stones, with the conclusion that they are Gold Basin. The Gold Basin meteorite ranges in thermal metemorphism from L4-L6 (hence much of the confusion). All of these classified pieces have the same Fa# within standard deviation (Fa= 24+-1), partially proving they are the same. And yes, it is possible that two L4's with an Fa of 24 found 10 feet from eachother are different meteorites, which is why each sample that is looked at is scrutinized at many levels. This is also probably something that the various Franconia area samples will go through, perhaps more of these 'unpaired' stones are paired than people think (but undoubtably there are different finds from that area, and they could all be different). Hope this helps and hope i didn't ramble, Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "tracy latimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Franconia Area Meteorites > Have other samples of meteorites collected from Franconia Wash been turned > in for classification? Does this mean that Franconia will become > Franconia(a), to be followed by Franconia(b), Franconia(c), etc.? That's > one thing that has puzzled me; with the several different types that have > come out of Gold Basin, why are they all still lumped together as just "Gold > Basin"? Several people have said there seem to be at least 2, maybe 3 > strewnfields there, or at least it seems to be a big collecting point. > There should be enough data there to designate at least a couple of > different falls/finds. > > Tracy Latimer > > > > >Hi List, > > > >John is right, as there are many new chondrite finds > >in the Franconia area. I along with Mike Miller have > >been hunting the area for many months, long before it > >was common knowledge to the meteorite community. We > >have found many meteorites, but just as important we > >have found many different types of meteorites. Mike > >and I have personally submitted for classification > >over 10 different chondrite "types" ranging from an LL > >to an H. And yes we have even found some Iron > >meteorites! I feel confident in saying this because > >the Arizona State University has been involved with us > >in the classification process since the beginning and > >therefore this is not merely our opinion but also the > >opinion those at Arizona State University. As many of > >you know the classification process can take some time > >but please be patient as these classifications are > >forthcoming. > > > >During the entire time we have hunted this area we > >have only come across a few grams of Bob Verishs' > >Franconia meteorite ( fortunately for us we actually > >had a slice of his Franconia to compare to our finds ) > >Because of this we can only assume that there is > >much less Franconia meteorite than there at first > >seemed to be. That is not to say that there isn't a > >lot of Franconia, indeed there may be, but maybe not > >as much as some think. In fact, Bobs Franconia may > >not even be the most abundant meteorite out there, as > >we have many large pieces that are NOT like Bobs > >Franconia. > > > >I have heard it said once or twice that this may be > >another gold basin, let me be the first to say I > >highly doubt it. First of all it is obviously unique > >because of the many types of meteorites being found. > >Jim Kriegh ( one of the original gold basin strewn > >field finders) upon hunting with us even dubbed it > >the " Meteorite Graveyard" as he too found several > >different types of meteorites. Also in my humble > >opinion there is not all that much left. This is an > >area where some of the more skilled hunters can and > >have gone days without the slightest signal on their > >detector. Many hunters will tell you there are > >precious few meteorites still left. > > > >To this day we continue to hunt, and even though we > >don't find much anymore, it is still exiting. Think > >about it, these are NEW ARIZONA METEORITES! Whether or > >not they end up being classified as Franconia or any > >one of the many
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
Wow, is this a meteorite list or a forum for whining and grade school bickering? Frankly i'm tired of being flooded with rantings on a subject which should have died out days ago. Devin - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon > You are are a nut. > > Bill Kieskowski > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite types
Rob, A full description is in: Reviews in Mineralogy Volume 36 Planetary Materials, J.J. Papike, editor Publisher: Mineralogical Society of America, 1998 "The mesosiderites are divided into three petrologic groups based on the orthopyroxene content (Hewins 1984, 1988: see Fig. 53). Compositional class A mesosiderite silicates are relatively basaltic in composition, containing more plagioclase and clinopyroxene. The compositional class B mesosiderite silicates contain a greater proportion of orthopyroxene, and are therefore more ultramafic. A unique mesosiderite from Antarctica, RKPA79015, contains almost exclusively orthopyroxene as its silicate phase (Prinz et al. 1982a), and is the sole member of compositional class C (Hewins 1988)." ect(pg 4-143) This is from 1998, and at least one more C type has come out of Morocco so the definition of class C might be better refined, ect. Devin Schrader - Original Message - From: "Rob Wesel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mesosiderite types > Hello all- > Can anyone out there point me in the right direction as to the differences > between type A, B, and C mesosiderites...and what those differences mean? > Thanks in advance, > > Rob Wesel > -- > We are the music makers... > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Vally classification?
No they weren't lazy. It is an H6. "they" know what they are doing. The metal viens in the meteorite are the result of an impact event the shocked the metal from the meteorite into veins. They proved this because the metal (wt %) missing from the H6 parent stone is accounted for in the wt % of the veins. The veins can be etched because the metal stayed molten for millions of years and was able to crystalize. Portales Valley remained under the impact debris in a crater in the melt lens (insulation kept it hot). It was later excavated by another impact and later ended up in New Mexico. So, while it is unique it does not warrant a new classification. An extensive paper was written on this by Dr. Kring, et al. Hope this helps, Devin - Original Message - From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Vally classification? > Hello List, I have to ask, was Portales Valley classified as a H6 ordinary > chondrite because "they" were to lazy to make up a new classification? It > would seem to me that this unique meteorite deserves it's own group instead > of being shoved into an already existing group. > I do not feel like we have found every type of meteorite yet, are "they > going do this with all of them, just sticking them in existing categories, > or will they make a new one if need be? > Thanks, Tom > peregrineflier <>< > IMCA #6168 > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
