Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2012: detailed news
Hi Pierre, Is there any word on when the Draveil meteorite will be officially classified? Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 4/25/12, Pelé Pierre-Marie pierremariep...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hello to all List Member, hello to Zelimir who recovered from these really terrible moments. I'm happy to read you're well now. Just to correct Zelimir's words about the Draveil meteorite. I'm not the owner of the main mass. The main mass weighs about 5 kilograms and is supposed to be at the MNHN, Paris collections. I just own a 125 grams fragment which will be displayed at the Meteor-Center table on a broken tile of the attic where it fell, july 13, 2011. This stone, weighing in total 205 grams was recovered just a few days after the fall. Mrs Comette's find is a different and later find from mine. Kind regards, Pierre-Marie Pele meteor-center.com IMCA 3360 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New California Meteorite
Hi List and Robert, Congratulations to Robert Ward on recovering another meteorite fall, and a rare carbonaceous type to boot. Outstanding. With Ward and crew on the job, we can assume the strewnfield will be mapped out and scientific protocol will be followed during the recovery. I can't wait to learn more about this one. Is there any early word yet on what the provisional or unofficial name might be? All I see in terms of geography is Northern-Central California. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG PS - Maybe this will be California's version of Tagish Lake? PSS - I have updated the Recent Meteorite Falls page here - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/falls -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 4/24/12, Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote: Way to go Robert! You're the Man! Anita __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Updates (04/24/12) - 8 New NWA's - CR, CV, CK, Euc, Type-3's
Hello Bulletin Watchers, 8 new approvals. All from the NWA dense collection area. This includes achondrites, carbonaceous types, eucrites, and some type-3 chondrites. Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0 Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Updates (04/24/12) - 12 New NWA's - CR, CV, CK, Euc, Type-3
On 4/23/12, Galactic Stone and Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Bulletin Watchers, There are 12 new approvals today and these include some very interesting achondrites. Linky - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0 Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Updates - 12 New NWA's - CO, Win, Brach, Euc, Meso, and others.
Greetings Bulletin Watchers, There are 12 new approvals today and these include some very interesting achondrites. Linky - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=sfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=1pnt=Normal%20tabledr=page=0 Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lyrid meteors?
Hi Linton, Nice report. It makes me want to go out with the scope rig more often. I don't get to observe very often now, but several years ago I had a great run of seeing bolides. But this was before I was introduced to meteorites, so I didn't make the realization that those same bolides could be dropping stones. Since learning about meteorites, I'd see a bolide and then imagine where it will fall and what it's history was before it landed here. I haven't seen any good ones in a long time. If I go out with the purpose of observing a bolide, I never spot any. But I had a great run a few years back. This was around summer of 2008, and I saw more bolides in a span of ~3 months than I usually see in the average year or two. I'd make notes, but never really documented any useful information about them. Any future meaningful bolide observations I make will be posted here also, in the hopes that maybe someone can find some meteorites. Best regards and clear dark skies, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 4/23/12, Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net wrote: Wondering if anyone else saw any Lyrid meteors over the weekend. I was out at a dark-sky star party Friday night, about 90 miles north of L.A., and saw an amazingly long-lasting meteor around 9:30pm slowly streak across the northern sky, from east to west. It traveled parallel to the horizon, between the Big and Little Dippers, emanating from around Bootes and finally terminating in Auriga. Almost as bright as Venus, it must have lasted 6-8 seconds and covered 100-120 degrees of sky. It began to produce a long, green ion trail after about 1 second of incandescence. Truly incredible. I was surprised no one else in my group saw it. Perhaps if I had yelled out meteor!... north!, instead of just wow... wow... wow ;^) Around 2:00am there was another impressive one, though definitely not a Lyrid. It was at least as bright as Venus, but only lasted a second or two. It was falling from Corvis, and fragmented into multiple pieces which fell away still glowing. Nice. Sky conditions were very good - seeing, as well as transparency. I suspect Saturday night was even better, since we had a layer of fog over the city. Linton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - New Meteorites, NWA 6953 meso, NWA 5490 L3.7, Hope Creek, New Concord, Udei Station, and more.
Greetings Collectors, I have some new micromounts available this week, including several I have never offered before. I also have some nice endcuts and uncut fragments of the new weird NWA 6953 mesosiderite. As always, use the coupon code metlist at checkout for a 20% discount on all prices. :) New Offerings : NWA 6957 (CR2) micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6957--carbonaceous-cr2-meteorite-from-morocco-micros NWA 5490 (L3.7) micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-5490--rare-l37-meteorite-sub-type-micromounts Hope Creek (LL6) micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/hope-creek--alaskan-gold-prospector-meteorite-micros New Concord (L6 hammer fall) micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/new-concord--1860-horse-killer-hammer-meteorite-micros Udei Station (silicated iron) micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/udei-station-rare-1927-witnessed-fall-silicated-iron-meteorite-micros NWA 6953 (mesosiderite) micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-mesosiderite-with-aqueous-alteration-micros NWA 6953 (2.05g) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-mesosiderite-w-aqueous-alteration-170g-uncut NWA 6953 (1.95g) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-mesosiderite-w-aqueous-alteration-200g-endcut-1-1 NWA 6953 (1.7g) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-mesosiderite-w-aqueous-alteration-195g-uncut NWA 6953 (1.44g) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-mesosiderite-w-aqueous-alteration-200g-endcut-1 NWA 6953 (957mg) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-mesosiderite-w-aqueous-alteration-109g-endcut NWA 6953 (micros) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6953-strange-new-mesosiderite-with-aqueous-alteration-micros Other Recent Offerings - Juanita de Angeles (H5) micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/juanita-de-angeles--mexican-h5-meteorite-from-mine-micromount KT Boundary (impact breccia), micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/kt-boundary-material--cretaceous-tertiary-dinosaur-extinction-chicxulub-impact-sample Albert Einstein Meteorite Stamp Sheets - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/albert-einstein-meteorite-stamps-sheet--congo Campo del Cielo (large silver-patina specimen) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/campo-del-cielo-iron-meteorite-biggest-available-centerpiece-iron-10-pounds Meteor Crater Visitor Pack (decal and brochure) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteor-crater-visitor-pack--brochure-and-decal-from-canyon-diablo Huangzhong Xining (new China fall) micros - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/huangzhong-xining-new-chinese-meteorite-fall-feb-2012-micromounts Bondoc (mesosiderite, 5.92g fragment from ASU) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/bondoc-rare-mesosiderite-b4-nininger-recovery-asu-provenance-578g Uranium Cold War display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/uranium-display-vintage-atomic-art-display-w-genuine-uranium Tissint Martian Meteorite display - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/mars-rock-retro-art-martian-meteorite-display-tata-shergottite NOTE : I was running late on a handful of orders from last week's ad. I ran out of gemjars and packing materials and that slowed everything down. I now have everything packed up and the late orders are shipping out on monday morning with extra freebies inside them. So, if you ordered recently and didn't receive it, please continue to be patient because your package will be shipped out first thing monday. If you have any questions, or problems with checkout, then please email me - cura...@galactic-stone.com Thanks for looking and have a great weekend! MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011
Nice pallasitic cueball. It would be neat to see a set of billiard balls made from various meteorites. :) -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/19/11, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Man, I really like spheres! Awesome Jim! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 6:36 AM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_19_2011.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Agreed, Mike. It's a pyrrhic victory because Steve endured negative publicity, and some landowners now have a bad taste in their mouth about meteorite hunters. It was unfortunate from every angle. But at least now it's over. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/19/11, MIke Antonelli mfranci...@verizon.net wrote: Great news for you Steve Arnold... Now if we could just get a smile back on the landowners face somehow... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - New Diogenite, Brachinite, CV3, Rumuruti Imposter, Baltic Amber (Insect Inclusions), and more!
Hi Greg, Thanks for the heads-up on that. I will correct my description. Do you know why this gorgeous meteorite is still languishing in provisional status? Or is it one of those meteorites that fell between the cracks and never received final approval by Noncom? I've seen larger pieces of this meteorite and it's quite beautiful when prepared properly. A few of the pieces bear a minor resemblance to NWA 2086, even though they are obviously different. Greg, do you have any nice eye-candy photos of this meteorite you can share? I'm sure everyone would love to see some photos of bigger pieces. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/18/11, Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi MikeG. I took a look at your AD items and noticed something I can keep you and collectors with. In your NWA 3144 description on your web page you wrote ...[NWA 3144} Total Know Weigh is unknown... Actually, the TKW IS known. I purchased it in 2004 in Morocco and it was a single complete 1053g stone. Here is the submitted classification: Northwest Africa 3144 Morocco Purchased August 2004 CV3 chondrite A subspherical 1053 g stone with complete black fusion crust was purchased in Rissani from a Moroccan dealer by G. Hupé (Hupé) in 2004 August. Classification and mineralogy (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS): Unusually fresh sample (W1) with large chondrules and white to pale pink inclusions in a very fine grained olivine-pyroxene-rich matrix. The several large CAI appear to be “Fluffy” Type A with cores composed of Mg-Al spinel (with variable Fe contents), grossular garnet, perovskite, fassaitic clinopyroxene, anorthite, sodalite (some Ca-bearing), and minor anorthoclase, ilmenite and Ni-Zn metal. Wark-Lovering rims on CAI consist of gehlenite, anorthite, spinel, olivine (~Fa60), andradite garnet, hedenbergite, diopside, kirchsteinite(?) and Fe-Ni metal (60%Ni, with measurable Pt and Rh). Barred olivine-rich chondrules and olivine-rich aggregates consist mainly of forsterite with minor enstatite, Fe-Ni metal (50% Ni, some partly altered to limonite), Cr-bearing magnetite (commonly associated with metal), troilite, pentlandite and metallic Cu (containing Mo and Sn). One barred olivine chondrule is surrounded by an olivine aggregate rim with embedded chondrule fragments, suggesting that some olivine aggregates may form by partial melting of barred olivine chondrules. Specimens: type specimen, 20.0 g, AMNH; main mass, G. Hupé. I am not sure where you got your piece, but if purchased from me on eBay a few years ago, my description had the weight in it. I hope this helps! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:34 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - New Diogenite, Brachinite, CV3, Rumuruti Imposter, Baltic Amber (Insect Inclusions), and more! Hi Friends and Collectors! I just received a big new batch of meteorites, and have them listed in the store now. Don't forget to use coupon code metlist for 20% off your entire order! Some of these are meteorites that I had many months ago and they sold out quickly, and some are brand new. Without further ado, here are the new specimens - NEW NWA Diogenite : NWA 6290 diogenite 2.69g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--269g-endcut NWA 6290 2.86g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--286g-endcut NWA 6290 1.08g slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--108g-slice NWA 6290 672mg fragment - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6290--strange-new-brecciated-diogenite-from-vesta--672mg-frag NEW NWA Brachinite (paired with NWA 5400 Earth-related meteorite) : NWA 6077 brachinite 1.67g endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-unknown-parent-body-167g-endcut NWA 6077 734mg slice with rare metal inclusion - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-with-metal-fleck-inclusion-734mg-slice NWA 6077 390mg slice - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-6077--rare-brachinite-unknown-parent-body-390mg-micro-slice Carbonaceous CV3 : NWA 3144 742mg endcut - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term Planetary
Hi Ryan, Surely you missed the big eBay announcement about galaxy meteorites! A quick search on eBay will reveal meteorites from a variety of planets and star systems. Of course, avoid any meteorites from Algol, because all planets in that system have a law prohibiting the export of meteorites to Earth. And the Algol authorities don't screw around. If they catch you removing meteorites, they will confiscate the specimens, impound your vessel, and deport you to the nearest neutral star system. If it's not your first offense, they have been known to hand down sentences of 50 lashes with the neural whip. As for planetary meteorites, I prefer Martians because their government is no longer extant and their laws no longer apply to collectors. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/18/11, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term Planetary in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only Planetary meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, Martian meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info on Polishing Cut Stones?
Hi Keith, That clear-coat or wet look comes from a high polish, which is usually about 800 grit or higher. I can get that wet look by going all the way to 1500 grit and then finishing the piece with jeweler's rouge. Although, the rouge is not really necessary in most cases to get that final slick look. The quick and easy way to get that kind of polish is to use a powered lap polisher. It takes minutes to get that high polish look. Lap polishers can be expensive and can cost you a fingertip if you are not careful. The poor-man's way is sandpaper, in progressive grits - 100, 200, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1500. This is much much slower and requires healthy arms and lots of work. Initial expense is much cheaper than a powered lap-polisher, but you will eventually spend a small fortune on sandpaper over time. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/17/11, Keith Wandry ke...@lobstershack.com wrote: Are there any reference books or online sources for information on polishing cut pieces? I have some cheap pieces to practice on and am interested in knowing what to use and how some pieces I've seen have a sheen that almost looks like a clear coat on it. Pros? Cons? Etc... Thanks for an enlightenment! Keith Keith Wandry ke...@lobstershack.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info on Polishing Cut Stones?
Hi Dennis and List, You and I probably have very big forearms and hands - like genetic freaks or mutated super heroes. LOL A couple of specifics on how I do it (others' mileage may vary) - I don't always start out at 100 grit - that is for very hard chondrites that may have a deep saw mark to remove. 100 is very aggressive and it removes a lot of material. It can damage friable types and should be used on a case by case basis only. Typically, if I did a good job of cutting and there are no deep saw marks to remove, I start at 200 or 400. 200 for harder types and 400 for softer types (like carbs, most HED's, LL6, etc). I dry sand in an area with good ventilation. Water never touches the specimens after the initial cutting. This makes for more a lot more work, but less contamination and less oxidation. This method leaves a lot of dry powder embedded into the surface of the specimen that needs to be removed. I've experimented with various ways to remove it - rinsing it with alcohol, brushing it away, using compressed air to blow it away, and using a vacuum(!) to suck the dust out. I find that brushing the specimen, using compressed air to blow it off and then a gentle wipe down works well. I don't advocate this kind of manual preparation for the masses - it's very time intensive and I find it therapeutic and entrancing to do it. Like Dennis said, I'll do it while listening to music or watching TV. It almost becomes automatic, like riding a stationary bike. The hours slip by without much notice. But, using this method, my production is slow, and it can take me a week or more to process a single stone into slices. When done correctly, the final result is just as good as a powered lap polisher in terms of appearance. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/17/11, Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com wrote: Good Morning All Poor man Method If you don't want to spend a bundle on lapidary equipment and you have a durable wrist, I would suggest a good Silicon-carbide sand paper, a 12X12 marble tile, and a shallow plastic pan. I buy Norton Black Ice paper from our local Grainger store, use a single tile from Lowe's, and a small pan I swiped from our kitchen. Place the paper, tile and a little water in the pan, place your meteorite slice on the paper and rub like hell... switching hands as one wares out. I start with a 400 grit, then 600, 800 and finish with a 1200. The 4 boxes of 50 sheets of wet paper will be your biggest expense. But it will last you a lifetime or until you need a wrist replacement. As a matter of fact I just cut up some NWA 869 that I'll start polishing as I watch TV tonight, because the process is Quiet and you can do it in front of the TV in the den. Good Luck and Kiss a Leprechaun Today! Dennis O'Miller P.S. I use a good marble tile because of it's high polish and flat surface... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:49:08 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: ke...@lobstershack.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info on Polishing Cut Stones? Hi Keith, That clear-coat or wet look comes from a high polish, which is usually about 800 grit or higher. I can get that wet look by going all the way to 1500 grit and then finishing the piece with jeweler's rouge. Although, the rouge is not really necessary in most cases to get that final slick look. The quick and easy way to get that kind of polish is to use a powered lap polisher. It takes minutes to get that high polish look. Lap polishers can be expensive and can cost you a fingertip if you are not careful. The poor-man's way is sandpaper, in progressive grits - 100, 200, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1500. This is much much slower and requires healthy arms and lots of work. Initial expense is much cheaper than a powered lap-polisher, but you will eventually spend a small fortune on sandpaper over time. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/17/11, Keith Wandry ke...@lobstershack.com wrote: Are there any reference books or online sources for information
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER
Hi Gang, For the record, I am entirely in favor of responsible and safe nuclear power. With the best and brightest minds in the world, a well-funded nuclear program should be a safe alternative to fossil fuels. Of course, the inherent safety problem is the fuel itself. The fuel is where all the potential negative effects are rooted. So, the nuclear industry must develop a safe fuel or it must develop a fool-proof, tamper-proof, and disaster-proof fuel. The thing to keep in mind, is that no other major fuel source is fool-proof or disaster proof. This makes the definition of safe a relative affair when it comes to nuclear fuel. In no other industry do we see the potential for a run-away, positive-feedback, catastrophic failure loop that can lead to such widespread effects. Now we have tons of nuclear fuel that is potentially exposed to the open air with compromised containment. And that is something that I think the majority of lay-people misunderstand about large nuclear reactors (I know I did) - the sheer volume of fuel that is involved. This is no small amount of material we are talking about. It is many tons of highly-radioactive material that is a technogenic nightmare - the likes of which mother nature does not create on this planet without our cooperation. Watching the Fukushima event unfold fills me with a mixture of fascination and dread. Right now, as we sit safely in the distance, we are calmly discussing the details of nuclear power, while Japanese workers are suffering dangerous levels of radiation to mitigate the disaster. There is probably some brave man operating a water cannon, trying to cool off a hot pile of corium, and he is getting a full dose of radiation the likes of which that most people will never experience. On a curious note - corium is bizarre stuff. On the link below, scroll down to the mid-way point of the photo gallery, and you'll see several photos of the elephant's foot at Chernobyl. Scroll further down, and you'll see color photos of the same, which show the yellowish material growing on the surface of the corium. Some of this yellow material is new minerals that don't have names yet. http://insp.pnl.gov/-library-uk_ch_1-1.htm Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/17/11, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I wonder how many people have died from solar, wind, and hydroelectric power? You forget the long term impact of radiation exposure. Don't get me wrong, Nuclear power is good when safety precautions are in place, but we seem to wait for disasters and then respond to them. I have been an advocate for 'green' energy since the 1970's, but here in the US, it always gets killed and underfunded. Now let's get back to discussing meteorites. Greg S. From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:38:58 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: RISKS OF NUCLEAR POWER List, We are invariably abnormally impressed by the sudden occurrence of a rare, high-risk event. We do not appraise them in a strictly rational manner when this happens. The current application of fear caused by a very rare event, as we see in Japan, is weighted heavily. For those interested in the actual data, the human cost, in lives, of the various means of electric power production are listed below. Deaths are for the period 1970 through 1992, the only period for which data could be collected for all the means of production. All deaths are immediate deaths, and the figures are on a worldwide basis, which includes countries with less stringent industrial safety requirements than the U.S. This is the picture for the Planet. Hydroelectric production accounted for roughly 4000 deaths, of members of the public, or 883 deaths per terawatt-year. The vast majority of those deaths were from the failure of dams and impoundments. Coal power production produced about 6400 deaths, all of workers, for a death rate of 342 deaths per terawatt-year. (Deaths from the mining of coal are included in proportion to the use of coal in direct power production.) Natural Gas power production resulted in some 1200 deaths, of both industry workers and the general public, for 85 deaths per terawatt-year. Nuclear Power resulted in 31 deaths, all of workers, for a total of 8 deaths per terawatt-year, or 1% of the deaths from safe environmentally friendly hydroelectric power. The other fuel, petroleum, is rarely used for power
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale/ad Some of the very best etched iron you will see
Hi Mike and List, You are not exaggerating. That is some super-looking Seymchan siderite. :) Nice job. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/17/11, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning we have added lots of new material obtained in Tucson. On the website we have added some WOW Muonionalusta full slices, great etch! A new Seymchan siderite with a really great end cut, super cool shape and some big Morasko slices with big inclusions in them. That is just on the website. http://www.meteoritefinder.com/whats-new-sale.htm In our Ebay store we just added some small Seymchan shapes with the very best etch I have ever seen they are just incredible! Better than Glorieta, and I really like Glorieta! http://shop.ebay.com/flattoprocks/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 We have so many other cool things as well, small FULL slices of Toluca, Big FULL slices of Canyon Diablo with cool inclusions, small Chinga slices, Gibeon Full slices, Small Morasko slices, Urucau and much more, too many things to list here. Thanks for looking -- Mike Miller 3835 E Nicole Ave Kingman Az 86409 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-757-1378 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Great News to eBay sellers.
Meteorite/eBay equation : For buyers : heaven For sellers : hell It used to be heaven for both. How long before it becomes hell for both? And if/when eBay goes on the decline, we'll wax nostalgic about the good ole meteorite days with 99 cent planetaries -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/16/11, Rob Holcomb rob.holc...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I've given up on eBay at this point. Not that I've sold more than 4 rocks there, but much other stuff. And I'm not going to simply PASS the shipping charges through to feeBay AND pay them to the post office. There are already too many fees, how about instituting a buyers premium? that would really shoot eBay in the foot. It is a load of ... Rob H -- From: Marcin Cimala mar...@meteoryt.net Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 5:15 PM To: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great News to eBay sellers. For those of you that sell on feeBay. Take alook at this great news to take affect on April 19th. This first paragraph seems too good to be true... but then look at the second paragraph - the final value fee will now be applied to shipping fees also! So basically, if you have to ship a large, heavy item.. eBay will charge you extra for it, even though shipping is done third party by the seller. What a load of Ryan Hmm Soon they will charge extra final value fees to all items that not sell as a punishment But this changes are not too bad. We will see how this will work -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Caused the Daytona Beach Rogue Wave in 1992?
Hi List, All of this talk about the tsunami in Japan reminded me of an event that happened here in Florida in 1992, that may have a meteorite connection. On July 3rd, 1992, a 20-foot rogue wave appeared out of nowhere (calm weather) and washed ashore on Daytona Beach, damaging many vehicles parked along the beach and causing scores of minor injuries - thankfully there were no fatalities. This event was big news down here at the time, but has since faded into obscurity. I did some digging on the event, to satisfy my own curiosity and I came across an account that includes a possible meteorite fall. Here is a quote from an eyewitness who was a boater that was offshore at the time - ...the boater came forward with the information that, shortly before the time of the wave, he was in his boat about eight miles offshore. He watched as a distant object approached across the sky toward the ocean at a high rate of speed, and crossed the bow of his boat at an angle with a whoosh (his word). Shortly after, a giant swell made his 41-foot sailboat handle like a large surfboard. Various news sources state that the meteorite, as it is now being called, was anywhere from a meter to 10 feet across. The boater who wished to remain anonymous, gave the professors enough information so that they are hoping that the Navy will retrieve the object, which is presumed to be lying in about 70 feet of water off the Daytona Beach coastline, with plenty of coordinates for locating it. (source : http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf084/sf084g12.htm ) Does anyone remember this meteorite event? And, did anyone look for the object? I know 70-feet of water is not exactly prime meteorite-hunting territory, but one has to wonder what happened, in light of the eyewitness account. Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Caused the Daytona Beach Rogue Wave in1992?
Hi Chris and List, I agree. As the eyewitness account reads, it's impossible for such an object to create a large wave. However, if the account was in error about the size of the object, then perhaps it becomes a little more possible. What about the velocity of the object? Let us suppose that it retained a good bit of it's cosmic velocity when it struck the water. Would an object about 10-30 feet in diameter, travelling at a high rate of speed (say, 1km per second), generate a large wave? I would think that the speed at impact would play a role in the effects once it hit the water. I think the underwater landslide theory is more plausible. I was just surprised to see an account about a meteorite in this story. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/15/11, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: A meteorite that was 1-3 meters across would make a splash, that's all. A couple of hundred meters away and there'd be virtually no energy left. There's almost no possibility of such an object creating a wave like the one you describe (a tsunami, not a rogue wave). Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Caused the Daytona Beach Rogue Wave in1992? Hi List, All of this talk about the tsunami in Japan reminded me of an event that happened here in Florida in 1992, that may have a meteorite connection. On July 3rd, 1992, a 20-foot rogue wave appeared out of nowhere (calm weather) and washed ashore on Daytona Beach, damaging many vehicles parked along the beach and causing scores of minor injuries - thankfully there were no fatalities. This event was big news down here at the time, but has since faded into obscurity. I did some digging on the event, to satisfy my own curiosity and I came across an account that includes a possible meteorite fall. Here is a quote from an eyewitness who was a boater that was offshore at the time - ...the boater came forward with the information that, shortly before the time of the wave, he was in his boat about eight miles offshore. He watched as a distant object approached across the sky toward the ocean at a high rate of speed, and crossed the bow of his boat at an angle with a whoosh (his word). Shortly after, a giant swell made his 41-foot sailboat handle like a large surfboard. Various news sources state that the meteorite, as it is now being called, was anywhere from a meter to 10 feet across. The boater who wished to remain anonymous, gave the professors enough information so that they are hoping that the Navy will retrieve the object, which is presumed to be lying in about 70 feet of water off the Daytona Beach coastline, with plenty of coordinates for locating it. (source : http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf084/sf084g12.htm ) Does anyone remember this meteorite event? And, did anyone look for the object? I know 70-feet of water is not exactly prime meteorite-hunting territory, but one has to wonder what happened, in light of the eyewitness account. Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Caused the Daytona Beach Rogue Wave in1992?
Hi Chris, Good points. You've convinced me. It was rather exciting to think that a big meteorite was laying in the water off Daytona Beach. So, I am left wondering - 1) what was the object that the witness saw? 2) did the witness actually see anything, or was it an overactive imagination? Considering that the witness wished to remain anonymous (and did), then that removes any motive for profit or fame. Of course, meteorites fall into the ocean all the time, it stands to figure that one would be witnessed eventually. If the witness did see something, it was just a coincidence that the wave followed. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/15/11, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: While we all know now that it is possible for fairly small objects to retain supersonic velocity all the way to the ground (at least, if the ground in question is very high above sea level), it is clear that such events are rare, to say the least. Certainly, simulations suggest that objects sized at tens of meters impacting the ocean at hypervelocity can produce tsunamis. But realistically, a 10 meter object that was moving at hypervelocity all the way to the sea, and near shore, would have produced a massive fireball, rivaling the Sun, would have left a long lasting dust debris train, and would have been witnessed by thousands of people. I'm certainly not saying that it's impossible for there to have been a huge meteorite impact that produced a tsunami, but I do think it is safe to say that the likelihood is extremely small, especially given that sporadic waves like the one you describe are known to occur, and are generally understood without needing to invoke impacts. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Caused the Daytona Beach Rogue Wave in1992? Hi Chris and List, I agree. As the eyewitness account reads, it's impossible for such an object to create a large wave. However, if the account was in error about the size of the object, then perhaps it becomes a little more possible. What about the velocity of the object? Let us suppose that it retained a good bit of it's cosmic velocity when it struck the water. Would an object about 10-30 feet in diameter, travelling at a high rate of speed (say, 1km per second), generate a large wave? I would think that the speed at impact would play a role in the effects once it hit the water. I think the underwater landslide theory is more plausible. I was just surprised to see an account about a meteorite in this story. Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman prison saga
Hi Mike, Robert and List, I concur with what some of the others said - I don't recall anyone being happy you guys were sitting in an Omani prison. Of course, when the news got around, people did talk about it, and it did result in the expected debates about hunting, legalities, and the like. Eventually, everyone just shut up about it in public because we didn't want to add to your problem. Now that both of you are back home and safe, everything can return to normal - or what passes for normal in the meteorite world. I don't think anyone would wish a foreign prison on their worst enemy, and if there are people out there who were happy to see you guys rot in a cell, then I would not want to have anything to do with such people. Now, get some rest, try to unwind, and get out there and find the first American lunar. :) Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/14/11, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Mike and Robert, Welcome back. I agree with Ruben in that nobody I spoke with about you guys wanted to see you imprisoned. In fact between you and the shootings of Gabby and company the mood at the Tucson Show was that of civility. for the past twenty years I have never missed the show but, this year was a special one. The sadness felt for you guys was evident every day of the show. People shared good stories about you two and everyone wished for your safe speedy return. I know I longed to hear what you had to say in your personal phone calls to Jim Strope. This gave us all hope. Hopefully the civility inspired by the two of you along with Gabby and the rest will last. I commented on this before that this years Tucson was the friendliest ever. Welcome back guys. I think we are all better people from your suffering. 40 pound weight loss. Man , you might be able to sell that diet plan? Ha ha Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: 90% of the meteorite list is interested in the Oman meteorite saga that Robert Ward and Michael Farmer went through from our arrest in early January until our release ordered on March 7th 2011. This is my story, Robert can tell his, as it is a little different as we were separated, interrogated, and housed apart for more than half of the event. On December 31st we headed for Oman, my 20th meteorite hunting expedition there. I have studied the law there since the arrest of the Russian and American hunters back in 2005. There is no law against meteorite hunting in Oman, those who asked why we keep doing it, that is why. It is legal. After months of meeting with lawyers, looking at Oman law, I think we know what we are talking about. We had a very successful trip, I found 35 meteorites, 3 pieces of the Dhofar 1180 Lunar, more than 100 grams, and some other nice things. On the last day we headed out of the desert and towards Dubai. At 1 PM on 13 January we arrived at a police roadblock in Adam, nothing out of the norm, until they rushed my car with M16's and they had heavy belt-fed guns on their trucks. They forced us out of our cars and ripped them apart of course, finding the meteorites immediately. We were taken to the Adam police station and interrogated for 10 hours. The Wali (governor) of the area arrived and was very upset at our confinement, he kept apologizing to us and saying he did not understand why we were being arrested and kept calling Muscat to try and get us released, he was angry at tourists being detained in his district. He then informed that orders from much higher in the government came in that we were to be taken to Muscat and it was out of his hands. The roadblock was for us, they had intel that we were coming. I have intel on who did it.. We were driven to Muscat in shackles, arriving at midnight, taken to an interrogation center in Qurum. Stripped, put into separate rooms, and never saw each other again for the next 25 days except when the embassy came, our lawyers came, or we were taken to the hospital a couple of times. Qurum Criminal Investigation Division is little more than a torture chamber, we heard many times people being beaten, and dragged around. I was interrogated in a conference room after more than 72 hours without sleep. We were kept in small rooms, 9 x 9 x 12 ft, with small pad on the floor and two blankets, horribly filthy, crawling with roaches, and things on the floors and walls which I decline to try to describe. There were 4 rooms, Robert and I in two
Re: [meteorite-list] Omani Prison Saga
I think Phil is probably right on that count. They (the authorities) were making an example out of Mike and Rob, and they were also sending a message. I think that message is pretty clear, despite the fact that apparently it is not illegal yet to remove Omani meteorites. Ask anyone who has been wrongly accused of a crime and they will tell you that the actual law has very little to do with what the authorities can/will do. On 3/14/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: They're sending a message to meteorite hunters that we don't want your kind in these parts. If they just wanted the meteorites they'd have taken them and let M R go. Just my two riyals, Phil Whitmer -- Hi Mike Robert, Glad you are both home and safe and sound. What a story! Do you happen to know WHY you were targeted by the Omani cops? Best regards, Charley Butterfield Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil
Hi Gang, I think what Carl is trying to say, if I am following this correctly, is that Egypt has no history of private ownership of *anything* found on public/Egyptian land. Unlike the US, if you find something (anything) in Egypt, on land that is not your's, then it belongs to the Egyptian government - artifact, fossil, rock, meteorite, block of swiss cheese. Here in the US, finders keepers is a well-established tradition, and so is private ownership of things found on some public lands. Thus, we have a grey area here in the US when it comes to such finds. In Egypt, if you are out in the desert, in no-man's land, and you find something, it doesn't belong to you, your family, or your cousin Mort. It belongs to the Egyptian government. Here in the US, unless there is a law expliciting stating otherwise, our historical precedent of private ownership prevails. In Egypt, there is no such history or precedent for citizens keeping and legally owning things found on Egyptian government land - by default, without explicit laws stating such, it belongs to the government, therefore a foreigner (or local) cannot export it legally because they do not own it. I think that much is clear, regardless of who is making the argument. The real question becomes enforcement, which in Egypt is a very murky situation. Obviously Egypt is not aggressively enforcing their borders in regards to meteorites, so this creates a defacto loophole for those who wish to exploit the situation. This is also the root of a few meteorite-related legal dramas in the past. A government will look the other way, as long as those who are exploiting the lack of enforcement don't get blatant or greedy with their actions. But, no matter who you are, if you continue to flaunt the rules and customs of another sovereign nation, you will pay the price - whether you are a rock star trying to remove a Campo the size of a truck, or you are a tourist trying to quietly remove some desert planetaries from a sultanate. Nations that do not have a history of the freedoms we enjoy, appear much more vague to us regarding the definition of their freedoms, because it is taken for granted that such freedoms don't exist in the first place. Jason is correct that Egypt apparently has no laws explicitly addressing meteorites, but that does not mean it is legal to export or own them. It just means that nobody has been blatant enough or greedy enough to catch the ire of the Egyptian authorities and force their hand. Local meteorite hunters are crawling all over the deserts of the US and Morocco. How many local Egyptians are combing their home deserts looking for meteorites and selling them, in comparison to those nations with a tradition of allowing such? How many Egyptians are on this List, offering meteorites for sale? The answer to both is - not very many. There is a reason for that. As meteorite collectors and dealers, we can play around with semantics, look the other way, sweep things under the rug, and pretend we know better than the people who actually live in these countries. But deep down inside, I think most of us know the score, and we will continue to operate in a manner consistent with our experience and values. When this behavior comes into conflict with another culture's values/laws, problems will arise. When this happens, we'll deal with them the best way we can. Since meteorites are unregulated and there is no official trade organization or oversight body, it's left up to the individual to decide how to behave in regards to another nation's laws and customs. So far, this has worked pretty well, with a couple of obvious exceptions. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/13/11, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Carl, You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. 1) The Egyptian government has made no claims regarding meteorite ownership. The questionable claims were made by a few Egyptian professors. No one with official governmental standing has said anything. 2) Egypt has no laws in place (currently) that address the ownership of meteorites. Well, none published. They tend to be good with such things, and I can only assume that owning an Egyptian meteorite is legal since it has historically never been an issue, and the government has yet to make any sort of statement about it. -- You seem to be suggesting that Egypt may have such laws. I'm not sure where you got the idea, but even after I discounted it, you're still pushing it, so I'm not sure
[meteorite-list] Dealers - Trades? - I have some new brachinite, diogenite, CV3, LL5, and others.
Hi Folks, I just got done photographing, weighing, and processing some new material. I have some nice pieces of brachinite, diogenite, CV3 (with dark inclusion), LL4 breccia, LL5 (that is a dead-ringer for a rumuruti), and a few other odds and ends. These include polished slices, endcuts, and micros. I also have a ton of the usual stuff - uNWA, Campo, 869, etc. I'm looking to swap a little material, so if you are a dealer (or collector) and want to work a trade, contact me off-list via email - meteoritem...@gmail.com Here is a listing of the new stuff (in order of newness) - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new/?page=1s=newest Note - don't pay too much attention to posted prices. Met-List members get 20% off and for trades I will wheel and deal. Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil
Hi Jason, Carl, and Curious Onlookers, As most are aware, I am no expert, I only play one on TV. Comparing the Egyptian legal system and the US legal system is comparing apples to tricycles. I have two online friends who have travelled extensively and lived in Egypt. The stories I have heard are interesting, sometimes amusing, and sometimes scary. Others on the List have travelled to Egypt, so they can confirm what is below or correct me where necessary. Unless one commits a drug-trafficking offense or a crime against the regime, the legal system is a matter of who you are, who you know and how much money you are willing to pay. Legal and human rights monitors all agree that Egypt's legal system and police were/are some of the most corruption-prone in the world. Bribery is often expected and is elevated to an art-form. Whether this dynamic will change along with the change in regime, remains to be seen. These stories collaborate what I have read independently on the web about Egyptian law - which I have tried to research as best I can, in trying to determine what is legal and what is not, in regards to meteorite collecting. I've done a lot of digging on the subject (no pun intended) over the last couple of years and there is little to be found in the form of official or authoritative documents or explanations of Egyptian law. As Jason mentioned, the LDG situation was largely inflamed by the export of *human artifacts* and not the LDG itself, and there is quite a bit of information available on the web regarding Egypt's official stance towards the trade of artifacts and antiquities. However, there is nothing about meteorites that I can find or Google up. This lack of information on the web concerning meteorites and Egyptian law does not mean it is legal to move them out of the country per-se. Egyptian authorities, if they are so inclined, can bend an existing law to cover any perceived offense imaginable. And this goes back to what I said at the start - breaking Egyptian law is a dicey thing and how the offender will be dealt with is not a matter of routine. It depends on who you are, the circumstances, who you know, and how much money you have. Although there is corruption in US law enforcement, there is nothing comparable to the systemic and pervasive corruption seen in Egypt. Breaking the law, and the interpretation of that law, is a fluid affair in Egypt and not handled strictly by the book or wink wink like it is here in the US. So, in Egypt, the default state of affairs is to defer to the state, the regime, and the law. I think this is why we don't see many Egyptian meteorite dealers operating openly on the web. What's more, Egyptian citizens are held to different standards than foreign visitors, or foreign expatriate citizens. It's very complicated, so most locals just assume that things are kept quiet and handled locally (washing their own dirty laundry), and if officials get involved (police, military, regime/party) then one defers to the authority of the state. In the end, this leaves meteorite collectors outside of Egypt in the clear legally when it comes to owning their specimens. It is not against US law to own an Egyptian meteorite that was legally purchased. Since the definition of legally purchased in Egypt depends solely on whether you get caught and involve the authorities, then there are no legal grounds outside of Egypt to prove legality one way or the other. I would think that a similar legal paradigm holds true for most of the Saharan meteorites, unless a given nation has explicitly prohibited or regulated the export/trading of meteorites - such as Algeria and Sudan. What I find interesting, is that Chris Spratt posted an excellent link to an online Omani news publication that quoted Omani officials on laws regarding the removal of meteorites, and you could hear a pin drop on the list. No discussion ensued and the post slipped into the archives largely ignored. This is despite the fact that the link in question was extremely relevant to a recent meteorite legal drama in the same part of the world. I think if there was ever any ambiguity about the legal status of removing meteorites from Oman, that ambiguity has been removed entirely - both by the article in the link, and by the conclusion of the recent meteorite drama which has also slipped into the archives when it was generally agreed upon to not discuss it in public. This is a clear example of the wink wink paradigm that permeates US law. And this the subject of another discussion entirely. And this is why, in part, that comparing US legal precedents to Egyptian law is largely meaningless, since both cultures have different ways of approaching and enforcing legal matters. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http
[meteorite-list] Ad : PICK FIVE Micromounts for $24 shipped (including falls and exotics) plus get a Sixth micro free!
Hi Listees and Collectors, Lurkers and Friends - I hope everyone is having a good weekend and I hope our friends in Japan are staying safe. :) For this weekend only, I am bringing back the Pick Five micromount deal. This means you can pick any five micromounts for $30 - that also includes shipping to anywhere on Earth. But, I sweetening the deal for Met-List members who are reading this. You can use your metlist coupon code at checkout to get 20% off your order. Using this coupon, the Pick-Five deal works out to $24 shipped. I currently have 77 different micromounts in stock, and this deal includes witnessed falls, hammer falls, rare types, Vestans, Moldavite, and all Martians. Lunar is the only exclusion because I am almost out of lunar material. All micromounts at the following link are eligible - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/micromounts To make the deal even sweeter, I am giving away a free sixth micromount (my choice) with every Pick-Five order. So you are getting 6 different micromounts for $24 shipped. That is $4 each! As is usual, all micromounts include labelled gemjar for storage. To get the deal, follow the link below and put the Pick Five item into your shopping cart. At checkout, use the Order Notes field to tell me your five micromount selections. Use the coupon code metlist to get the additional 20% off. PICK FIVE - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/pick-five-you-pick-any-5-meteorite-micromounts-for-30-free-ship If you have any questions, if the coupon doesn't work, or you have any problems with the checkout, contact me via email at - m...@galactic-stone.com Thanks for looking and have a great weekend! MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Read it and laugh!
Hi Count and List, I do agree about the fear-mongering in the media. It is interesting to visit the major US news websites and pay attention to which outlets are using the most sensationalistic language and engaging in blatant fear-mongering. Some outlets are reasonably reporting the news with minimal sensationalism, while others are offering big helpings of fear with a side of panic. Best regards, MikeG PS - on meteorite-related note, are there any national or major Japanese meteorite collections that have been impacted by the quake or tsunami? -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/12/11, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List, The suffering Japanese have enough real threats and consequences to shoulder without the added fear and panic being spread about a possible nuclear meltdown in the media. No reactor has disappeared. Nobody, not even the guys in the white smocks on scene, has been exposed to a level of radiation remotely harmful. Nor will they be. They did get knocked on their butts when the quake hit and the exterior hall subsequently blew because of accumulated hydrogen/oxygen. The USA did not send any cooling material to the scene. A bald faced lie by Clinton. The evacuation ordered is to cover the power consitorium and the government's ass from the inevitable flood of liabilty claims that will inundate the courts after this tragic event runs it course and the lawyers crawl out from under the tables and things begin to return to normal. Read the sensational headlines implying nuclear Armageddon has already occurred and then peruse the body copy. Without fail the stories are prefaced by the qualifiers..May,Could,Might. Nothing definite. All supposition and cynical fear mongering. Stay calm, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
Hi List, This is a fine example of the importance of provenance. Provenance is key when it comes to collectibles such as tree-embedded meteorites, hammer impact artifacts, and rare falls. It is virtually impossible to distinguish if a piece of drywall actually came from a meteorite impact event, if a tree-embedded iron is actually genuine, and if a given common chondrite is Zulu Queen or NWA. It is of the utmost importance that one purchase such materials from sources with spotless record of authenticity. On the one hand, I would not purchase such material from an unknown eBay seller or some random John Q. Public at a big show like Tucson. On the other hand, I would confident purchasing such materials from the majority of members of this List in good standing and the majority of IMCA members. Documentation is also important to trace the chain of provenance from the origin to the exporter, importer, wholesaler and final dealer. Any gap in this chain will leave doubts. I draw a distinction between contrived tree-embedded SA's and lightning-rod assisted fulgurites. In the former case, man is the driving factor. In the latter case, man is the catalyst but nature does the work - not unlike a cultured pearl. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/12/11, John Birdsell johnbirds...@yahoo.com wrote: One year's growth should be represented by a light colored early growth band AND a dark colored late growth band... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology - Original Message From: John Birdsell johnbirds...@yahoo.com To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; impact...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:04:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branchif a tree was alive in 1947 there should be more than 64. -J - Original Message From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: impact...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree Hi, While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is something I should share: about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable source as to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where SAs have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing specie of tree for later harvest. I was informed that branches are frequently bound around the meteorite to assist in the embedment. I saw one such example and it was...impressive. Little scary, right? In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands in the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged Saharan fulgurites. Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive. Clever, actually---and yet bothersome as well. d, On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote: Hello, Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his latest Market Trends article, and warned everybody against them. And since I have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let me try to set the record straight: First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up: _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_ (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg) _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg) It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is truly inside the tree. And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and wrote: Looks pretty real to me Anne! It probably impailed itself into the tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the bark around it. (Thank you Craig!) Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust the Russian dealer I bought it from. So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam. And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322). Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in as found condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with all the paperwork! See you all there very soon. Anne M
Re: [meteorite-list] Should I suspend sales.....
Hi Jim, Wow, how the heck did this make the news? No offense, because it's a fine specimen and the exposure will surely bring in some bidding. But how is this different than the thousands of other meteorites sold on eBay every day, for thousands of dollars each? The media is a fickle mistress. LOL Until further notice, I am suspending sales of anything from the asteroid belt. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/10/11, Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net wrote: Of this Henbury? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200555984879 Must be a slow news day Lucky for me it is legal. http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/offbeat/meteorite-for-sale-on-ebay-for-4k-dpgonc-km-20110109_11362219 http://www.ntnews.com.au/article/2011/01/09/205791_ntnews.html Jim Strope http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PayPal Shipping Labels - Anyone else having problems today?
Hi List, All day long (since noon today), I have been trying to print shipping labels through PayPal, but when I try it says PayPal shipping is not available, we apologize for the inconvenience. Has anyone else been having this problem today? This is really aggravating, because I have a stack of packages that I need to mail out, but I obviously can't since I cannot print shipping labels. Yes, I know, I could take them up to the post office, stand in line for an hour, and ship them the old fashioned way, but I am spoiled on printing my own labels and putting the packages in my mailbox. I just tried again, and I keep getting the same error message. I guess if this isn't resolved by tomorrow, I'll have to drag my happy-ass down to the post office and stand in line. For those who are not familiar with the Lutz Florida post office, you have not seen incompetence and inefficiency until you have seen my local post office branch. That is why I dread going there. Best regards, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Video up of Episode 2 - Insights on Meteorites
how do I convince my wife I need a meteorite collection? Foot rubs and back massages work wonders. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/9/11, Todd Smith lubb...@gmail.com wrote: Very nice, thanks for the video. I was wondering, because it wasn't answered in the video, how do I convince my wife I need a meteorite collection? Having a hard time with that one... LOL Todd On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:41 PM, McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com wrote: The latest episode of Insights on Meteorites is now released! The topic of this episode is meteorite dealers advice to new collectors. The link is only available thru Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/OutofaBlueSky Be sure to click the Like button while you are there! Video description --- Meteorite Collecting can be daunting. Here is the advice from several dealers for new meteorite collectors. Filmed at the Denver Meteorite Show in 2010. Includes Advice from Blaine Reed, Mike Jensen, Marlin Cilz, Viacheslav Spock Kalachev, Adam Aaronson, and John Humphries. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Organics on Mars
Hi Martin, Count, and List, Sales of all SNC meteorites are now suspended until further notice... ;) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/8/11, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hi Count, I bet both won't happen. After the somewhat overhasty and in the end a little bit almost embarrassing announcements around ALH 84001 years ago. NASA wouldn't think twice, but a hundred times, before declaring former life on Mars. Such a claim would need a very strong evidence at least. As it touches one of the largest question ever with remarkable impact not only on science, but also on culture, philosophy, religion ect.pp (Shhht younger folks: Star Wars, Star Trek, the Uncle from Mars etc, isn't reality. Reality is so different from that genre. So much more exotic and fascinating! NOTHING stalwart we have yet in our hands, which could make us sure to a certain degree, that indeed there is life elsewhere in cosmos. All so far speculations, assumptions, probabilities). Organics aren't such - as McKay was quoted too. To postulate life or a former life out of the presence of organics, would be the same as to say, that comets would have been inhabited by life-forms, because amino acids were found in some of the carbonaceous chondrites or to conclude that Roscosmos had secretly developed the warp drive, because large clouds of alcohol were detected in farer space between the stars. Unfortunately, the loons No. Remember, that the 40-years jubilee of Apollo was a gigantic media event around the globe, with an increased demand for lunar meteorites. Nevertheless the prices remained constantly low and often close at the historic all-time-low. Or think about the Martians, which exploded in price during the last four years only, and not, when the Martian Renaissance started long before with all the orbiters and the first rovers, neither a jump happened, when the final evidence was delivered by the rovers, that the shergottites definitely are laying around on Mars' surface. Price explosions are caused - if we let isolated cases, like media-hyped new US-falls, aside, where on the one hand specialized falls collectors are eager not to miss them out and on the other hands particularly laymen, but also curators pay here and there attention - quite always caused not by the demand, but by the supply side. Simple example - Sikhote multiplied in prices within shortest time, after the strewnfield was exhausted. Gebel Kamil was now cheap (despite the media), will be later more expensive, when the main load will be absorbed. And the main factor unfortunately for price inflations are for years now the artificial shortage of meteorites, caused by the introduction or the persistence of improper legislation, preventing new finds. Gibeon is only a small example, Campo will follow btw. Gibeon, but the main problem is, and here we observe already partially dramatic price increases, is that the most productive find areas of the World were and are now closed by the will of a handful unschooled barbarians, Oman, Australia, Sahara, down to such hysterical actions like happened in South Africa, Namibia, China, Poland, Argentina, Denmark This shortfall of new finds can't be compensated by Antarctica. The scientific landscape will be poorer - researchers, collectors and curators by far won't have that choice anymore and will have to spend a multiple for their - compared to former times: few - meteorites. For some of them it will be the end of their occupation with meteorites. If not right away the real scientists find together to form a corrective for these destructive ones among their fellow-scientists, then we all can forget it. Then all that, what the great majority among the professionals and amateurs so laboriously and so incredibly successfully had built up over the recent decades, will be lost. Irretrievably. Well, looking back, we should be content with ourselves, that we permanently recommended to the collectors as well as sometimes to the curators too, to built up also a collection with the rarer and rare types from the hot deserts, as long as it is still affordable and as long as it is still possible at all. Most of us, and neither many of the researchers, hadn't fully got it, what we had. An epochal period in meteoritics. Never in history, there were so many new finds made on the globe, like in the first decade of the 2000er years. And according
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting
Hi List, I am relieved that none of our meteorite friends in Tucson were caught up in this tragedy. My sincerest and heartfelt condolences to everyone who was touched by this act of hate and insanity. Best regards and stay positive, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/8/11, lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu wrote: Hello from a sad Tucson: At the moment, we know nothing more than those of you who have already emailed. Nancy and I live only a few miles from the shooting site and we seem to have been on our way to shop (not there) at the time of the shooting. One of our neighbors just sent out an email saying that she was in the grocery store at the time of the shooting, but, again, no additional information. The store is a place we occasionally shop and a lot of our friends and neighbors shop there. Of the meteorite people I know who live in the area (Geoff Notkin and Twink Monrad), it is probably not a place that they would normally go. I have met Gabby on a number of occasions and I know some of her staff (one of her staff was killed in the shooting). A friend of the CPA at the Planetary Science Institute (where I work part time) says that she knows the shooter well and that he has a history of conduct issues at Pima Community College where she works. Tucson is a big town yet small in many ways. If I hear anything else, I will let the list know, but right now, everyone seems to be getting about the same information. Larry Lebofsky Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families during this time. Ke Akua pu. Sent from Gary's iPhone On Jan 8, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net wrote: I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the head and is in critical condition... :-( --Rob http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1iref= BN1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Attn Meteorite Hunters - Exercise caution in Niger
Hi List, Anyone thinking of searching for meteorites in Niger and Mali, please exercise caution. Two French citizens were kidnapped and killed in the capital of Niger. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40972916/ns/world_news-africa/ Best regards and safe hunting, MikeG -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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