Re: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online
Hello Arnaud, Beautiful site. Your interest in historical material makes your site really interesting reading. What a magnificent Ninninger collection! Keep up the good work, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "The Tricottet Collection" To: "MeteoriteList" Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 3:35:07 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] The Tricottet Collection is online Dear list members, I'm glad to announce that the Tricottet Collection is online: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/ Direct access to the meteorite section: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_hall.html Become a fan on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Tricottet-Collection/228399863937?ref=ts Follow us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/tricottetcoll Note that I tried to speed up to go online January 1st, so there are still a few bugs to fix (e.g. some pictures that do not appear for no apparent reason). Comments are welcome! Enjoy and happy new year ArnaudM _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens:Alternate Approach
Hi Arnaud, Martin, et al., I'm with Arnaud and Martin on this one. If someone(other than Nininger) offers me a specimen with their collection number painted on it I will politely decline. To me the specimen without the number is far more aesthetically pleasing( and valuable). I, like Arnaud, photograph and record the weight of all specimens. That being said, while photographing and describing should be sufficient documentation, it leaves a little room for uncertainty. If, heaven forbid, something should happen to the owner, there would be some effort and perhaps confusion on the part of any other person trying to document the collection. A couple of years ago I decided to try printing 4 digit numbers in number 2(or 3) font on standard sheets of full page mailing labels. If you are suffieciently anal-retentive(as I am!)you can cut a very tiny inconspicuous label that will not affect the display appearance of even very tiny pieces or thin slices. Then just peel off the backing and gently press the label into an inconspicuous spot. None of these have come off at any point but they can easily be removed and leave no residue. I have not seen any reaction or change of the underlying surface at all so i think the adhesive is not likely to damage or alter the material. Here's an example on a very thin slice: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=label.jpg Just another approach to consider, Cheers, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Martin Altmann" To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:14:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens Me too, as a professional I'm aware of the rareness of meteoritic specimens, sometimes they are unique and irreplaceable - and I'm aware of the often enormous endeavours it took, to recover such stones and the circumstances until they finally landed in my custody (yes also for the 20$-ebay-bogey). I simply feel myself not important enough, to deteriorate a meteoritic specimen in branding it, like a dog marks his property. Today we have simpler and more gentle means to keep a specimen identifiable. Take a simple digital camera, a lamp or the sun, a scale cube, a scale and a simple data base - all that costs today almost no money. Don't forget to print out your documentation from time to time, the electronic data storage media aren't made for eternity. It takes some time, yes. But more time it took for the material to form and to travel to Earth and to be found to end in your drawer. And more time it takes, to keep your collection free from oxidation, and anyway a good documentation belongs to the collector's duties to curate his meteorite collection. To apply stickers, to paint numbers on meteorites, isn't in my eyes a modern way of documentation and should be avoided. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von The Tricottet Collection Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Februar 2010 10:52 An: MeteoriteList Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens Hello, I would like to disagree with everyone here. If we all start painting numbers on meteorites, in 2-3 generations, all specimens will be full of useless graffiti - who will know which number matches which "minor" collection? So the problem would remain exactly the same. When I say "minor", I mean not a lot of people have a collection which can be compared to a Nininger, Monnig or any national museum collection! And with time, with more maturity, what if you find your inventory numbering system inefficient, what if you decide to change it? Personally I will never paint anything on my collection specimens. I prefer to take 1 or more pictures per specimen + weight + other important characteristics, label them and keep then in different boxes. Just my opinion, Best, Arnaud __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thanks for the congratulations
Thanks to all the list members who sent congratulations. Wow! What a rush it is to see that first meteorite ever, especially when it's a fresh fall. After striking out (other than Mike's generous gift of one if his stones) on my one day of looking in West, Texas, I flew out here with some trepidation. I expected to enjoy the thrill of the hunt and to see some pretty countryside but to come away empty handed. I was truly lucky. As Greg pointed out the stones seem to be far more sparse than they were in West. I can't thank Mike Farmer enough for his help. He encouraged me when I expressed the crazy idea of coming out in the face of reports of the difficulty of hunting this fall and introduced me to a site where stones had been found and where I could pay a fee to search. Regards, Jim Baxter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010
Hi Larry and list, These little SaW 005 individuals are really unique and interesting(the only one of 5 meteorites classified as H-metal that is not Antarctic). Most are irregular in shape and pretty variable in their morphology. At the last Tucson show Keith Jenkerson and I had a blast looking at some of Larry Sloan's large collection material under the microscope in Ken and Dana's room. Many have round pits up to a few MM across that I was attributing to impacts but I like Ken's idea that these are impressions of chondrules left in the metal when the rock was disrupted. Ken found at least one that was a perfect little bullet with flow lines and I think I have one that is similar though not as nice as Ken's. I'll see if I can find it and try to photgraph it. These would imply to me that at least some tiny pieces might have been shaped in flight in a partially molten state. I wouldn't be at all shocked if Larry's find turns out to be the real deal. Regards, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2010 1:53:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hello list, This will be short for now, my computer is in the shop. First, I'm havin fun! Second, I thought it may be a little controversial though it may be a bit more so than I thought. Next I'll say that the object is smaller than might be apparent. I'll show more pictures later. I can say it is smaller than any grommet I've seen. I'll also say that I thought it was a shoe lace eye when I first saw it, it is however too small. It has a rollover lip that curls like a wave nearly all the way around and the hole in the center is blown outward, not very apparent in the image. With all due respect to Sterling and the other nay sayers, let me point out a scenario that you are not considering. I have several, and have seen many others with holes punched into, and sometimes nearly through the little iron. I have a perfect example of this I will show when I get my computer back and can post pics. This phenomenon has been observed in SIkhote Alin as well. Perhaps not a complete penetration but big splashes nonetheless. This has happened in Franconia where the irons are tiny and whatever it is that makes these splash forms was able to pass all the way through an already flight oriented meteorite. Sure, it may not be a meteorite, that is understood by me, I'll have it tested if I can. However, I do believe the odds are in favor of SaW 005 being the origin ; ) Humbly Confident Larry Atkins Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: thetop...@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 19:43:04 To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8,2010 Test Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 15:25:59 To: Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 8, 2010 Hi Joe, You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point that something found in a known strewn field doth not a meteorite maketh. Phil Whitmer -- Those ebay links you provided were not listed by Larry, the guy who owns the Franconia iron, which I believe could very well be an iron meteorite, but not 100% sure. I have some Franonia irons with odd shapes as well, The roll over lip make me think it could very well be authentic. Also the the raised portion leading up to the hole in the center does not appear to be of even size all the way around, which it would be if it were a button. I think also the size make it a slim chance it is a button. Also the metal around the hole is not uniform and is more flattened and rolled over one one side. Dont think it is a wrong, but like I said I cant be sure, but Larry is a very knowledgeable guy who knows his meteorites, if he says it is a meteorite after having it for a few years and examining it in person, I will take his word for it until proved wrong. If I had to pay cash for it, I may then think about having it examined further. But A great collection piece either way. Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/me
Re: [meteorite-list] thin section storage
Hi Matt, I store mine in the small ~3 1/4 by ~4 1/4 riker boxes. The box fits 3 slides parallel to the short axis and 2 more parallel to the long axis. Not as efficient as a slide box with slots but the nice thing is you can see all five slides nicely displayed against the white cotton background and the boxes are not expensive. Cheers, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Matt Smith" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:06:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] thin section storage Hi all, My thin section collection is modest, but growing. I'm beginning to think about how to store them, does anybody have any suggestions? The only slide boxes I can see for sale are designed for the larger size slides. All advice would be gratefully received. Thanks, Matt. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] crystals in lunars
Hi Larry, Greg, Randy, list, Moritz Karl has some amazing slices of DaG 400 that have what appear to be greater than centimeter sized single crystals in them. While they aren't exactly perfect euhedral crystals they do appear to be one large crystal with some other mineral intergrown in a regular pattern. I suppose they are anorthosite crystals; not sure what the intergrown mineral might be. Perhaps Randy might comment on the mineralogy. Here is a photo that was originally on Moritz's web site: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/meteorites/?action=view¤t=Dag4001-12gmsliceMoritzKarl.jpg Best, Jim Baxter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 3, 2011
I'm with Matthias; very nice to see you back, MJ Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Michael Johnson" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 8:34:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 3, 2011 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_3_2011.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed
Thanks, Dave for a great anecdote. That's classic Blaine. He really is top notch. Cheers, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Dave Gheesling" To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 6, 2011 8:03:38 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed Hi List, Just wanted to send a quick note of admiration regarding Blaine Reed, who most of you surely know by now. Follow this link, click "Featured," then click "Deport" and read the brief Remarks: http://www.fallingrocks.com/collection.htm Such a pleasure to do business with dealers who do the right thing...even when they don't have to. Oh, and a special thank you to my good friend Sean Murray, who recently made my posting site a much more pleasant place to surf...much appreciated! All the best, Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Polandmet 10th anniversary
Hi Marcin, You've been a great source of high quality beautifully prepared material. Congratulations and keep up the great work! Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Marcin Cimala" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 4, 2011 11:38:37 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Polandmet 10th anniversary Hello Tooday is special day for me. 10 years ago, after speaking with my parents about my personal future, I decided to try selling meteorites and maybe become a dealer one day. All this years was very succesfull for me. I meet alot of meteorite friends, visit many meteorite places and whats most importand I bay and sell many many meteorites. But begining was difficult as I dont have much money for meteorites. But this was not the biggest problem at this time. Poland was not part of EU, so every box was checked by customs. PayPal for many years dont even have idea that there is such country like Poland. I use Western Unuion BidPay check that was very difficult to exchange for real money as noone in banks know what the hell is this. Many times I buy or sell meteorite just for money sended in registered mails without any insurance. This was funny past Right now I celebrating Polandmet 10th anniversary. Thank You all who buy meteorites from me. I hope I can do same job for next 10 years. I prepared some old stuff on my page :) My first Polandmet website from 2001/2002 http://www.polandmet.com/old_polandmet/index.htm 10 years of Polandmet - photos compilation http://www.polandmet.com/+10years.htm And ofcourse for the next 24h all purchases get 20% discount for everything ! Hey, where is my champagne ??? :) Have a nice monrning, day, evening, night ! -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly baffling & sensational Howardite - NWA 6709 - iridescence
There is sometimes a similar though less dramatic iridescence on the crust of newly fallen ordinaary chondrites that have not been exposed to significant weathering. Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Marc Fries" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:53:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly baffling & sensational Howardite - NWA 6709 - absolutely stunning and very fresh. Mild oxidation of silicate glass (fusion crust in this case) can produce a rainbow effect, too. I've seen this in basalts in the field. I think it is from a sheen of iron oxides created as the iron and/or sulfide weathers out. Cheers, Marc Fries On 7/21/11 1:13 AM, Aubrey Whymark wrote: > Hi > > The rainbow colour looks like oil to me. Maybe someone has used oil or WD40 > to clean it. I sometimes encounter 'rainbow' tektites and the guys want extra > because of it - in reality it is due to oil contamination, probably from the > mining operations. > > Regards, Aubrey > www.tektites.co.uk > > > > --- On Thu, 21/7/11, Martin Altmann wrote: > >> From: Martin Altmann >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly baffling& sensational >> Howardite - NWA 6709 - absolutely stunning and very fresh. >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, 21 July, 2011, 0:33 >> Hi Mike, >> >> no worries, neither we understood it like that. >> >> Of course, if one looks to the photos, the first idea, >> which comes to one's >> mind is: oil. >> No idea, what causes this effect, maybe the composition. >> Also that strange >> tint the cut faces reveal. >> >> And especially worrying is the variety of the odd >> inclusions. I mean >> normally we all get already excited, whenever we find a >> carbonaceous >> fragment in a howardite, >> but what that stone has all for strange clasts - that is >> really not normal >> anymore. >> >> Since 1999 Stefan is in Morocco and since then we certainly >> had quite a >> bunch of materials in our hands, >> but such a weird polymict one - extremely unusual. >> >> And it seems that many collectors feel the same, if after >> such a short time >> now only three slices are left. >> >> Now all of the smaller ones are gone, sorry for that. But >> we have still a >> slice left, which we could subdivide into small partslices, >> if desired - but >> for that one has really to raise his finger. >> >> For the moment! >> Martin >> >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >> Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] >> Im Auftrag von Galactic >> Stone& Ironworks >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2011 00:48 >> An: Chladnis Heirs >> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly baffling >> & sensational >> Howardite - NWA 6709 - absolutely stunning and very fresh. >> >> Hi Martin, >> >> I didn't mean to impeach the meteorite, I was just >> curious. >> >> This is indeed a mystery. Have any scientists offered >> or agreed to >> look at it? Perhaps hit the rainbow area with the >> microprobe or SEM? >> >> Aesthetically speaking, it's gorgeous and looks like Mother >> of Pearl. :) >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> -- >> >> - >> Galactic Stone& Ironworks - Meteorites& Amber >> (Michael Gilmer) >> >> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my >> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 >> >> - >> >> On 7/20/11, Chladnis Heirs >> wrote: >>> No, it's natural! >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >>> Von: Galactic Stone& Ironworks [mailto:meteoritem...@gmail.com] >>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2011 23:24 >>> An: Chladnis Heirs >>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly >> baffling& sensational >>> Howardite - NWA 6709 - absolutely stunning and very >> fresh. >>> Wow! That is one of the most beautiful >> howardites I have ever seen. >>> Nice find. :) >>> >>> The rainbox coloration is very odd. Was the >> stone cleaned at any time? >>> Best regards, >>> >>> MikeG >>> >>> >> >>> - >>> Galactic Stone& Ironworks - Meteorites& >> Amber (Michael Gilmer) >>> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com >>> Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my >>> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >>> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >>> EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 >>> >> >>> - >>> >>> On 7/20/11,
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6709 - iridescence
Pure speculation but my guess is that the rainbow sheen comes from refraction due to some fine layering of material on the surface. In the case of fresh unweathered falls it is almost certainly a phenomenon related to the crust formation itself but one could imagine weathering causing a similar effect due to thin layers of oxide or other weathering product. So maybe similar effect with two different causes?? In Martin and Stefans' case, seems more likely to be a primary crust related finding in a minimally weathered desert find rather than due to weathering, but again just speculation Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Marc Fries" Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:47:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly baffling & sensational Howardite - NWA 6709 - iridescence That brings up a good question, then - is this iridescence the result of weathering, or does it come from heating? Either could cause mild oxidation. I had assumed that the iridescence I saw in basalts came from weathering, but perhaps it was a consequence of heating. Basalt gets plenty hot. :-) I like this discussion. Thoughts? On 7/21/11 10:12 AM, James Baxter wrote: > There is sometimes a similar though less dramatic iridescence on the crust of > newly fallen ordinaary chondrites that have not been exposed to significant > weathering. > > Jim Baxter > > > - Original Message - > From: "Marc Fries" > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:53:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly baffling& sensational > Howardite - NWA 6709 - absolutely stunning and very fresh. > > Mild oxidation of silicate glass (fusion crust in this case) can produce > a rainbow effect, too. I've seen this in basalts in the field. I think > it is from a sheen of iron oxides created as the iron and/or sulfide > weathers out. > > Cheers, > Marc Fries > > On 7/21/11 1:13 AM, Aubrey Whymark wrote: >> Hi >> >> The rainbow colour looks like oil to me. Maybe someone has used oil or WD40 >> to clean it. I sometimes encounter 'rainbow' tektites and the guys want >> extra because of it - in reality it is due to oil contamination, probably >> from the mining operations. >> >> Regards, Aubrey >> www.tektites.co.uk >> >> >> >> --- On Thu, 21/7/11, Martin Altmann wrote: >> >>> From: Martin Altmann >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly baffling& sensational >>> Howardite - NWA 6709 - absolutely stunning and very fresh. >>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Thursday, 21 July, 2011, 0:33 >>> Hi Mike, >>> >>> no worries, neither we understood it like that. >>> >>> Of course, if one looks to the photos, the first idea, >>> which comes to one's >>> mind is: oil. >>> No idea, what causes this effect, maybe the composition. >>> Also that strange >>> tint the cut faces reveal. >>> >>> And especially worrying is the variety of the odd >>> inclusions. I mean >>> normally we all get already excited, whenever we find a >>> carbonaceous >>> fragment in a howardite, >>> but what that stone has all for strange clasts - that is >>> really not normal >>> anymore. >>> >>> Since 1999 Stefan is in Morocco and since then we certainly >>> had quite a >>> bunch of materials in our hands, >>> but such a weird polymict one - extremely unusual. >>> >>> And it seems that many collectors feel the same, if after >>> such a short time >>> now only three slices are left. >>> >>> Now all of the smaller ones are gone, sorry for that. But >>> we have still a >>> slice left, which we could subdivide into small partslices, >>> if desired - but >>> for that one has really to raise his finger. >>> >>> For the moment! >>> Martin >>> >>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >>> Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] >>> Im Auftrag von Galactic >>> Stone& Ironworks >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2011 00:48 >>> An: Chladnis Heirs >>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Special: Truly baffling >>> & sensational >>> Howardite - NWA 6709 - absolutely stunning and very fresh. >
Re: [meteorite-list] A Curator Replies
Hello Peter, Welcome to the list. Thanks for your contribution. It is nice to get a curator's perspective. I'm sure most if not all list members are envious of your job and support your work. I do feel you have not answered Martin's central argument that if laws prohibiting export were not in place your Australian colleagues would have far more material to study through dealer and collector contributions and trades. As a humble private collector I like to think I am supporting (or at least not depriving) the public institutions' collections. I know many of the dealers I support with my purchases have donated or traded large amounts of material to public institutions. This may be simple rationalization, but I do feel Martin's numbers regarding finds in the US compared to Australia imply that we collectors are likely increasing rather than decreasing the amount of material available to these institutions. I would love to hear your thoughts about whether you feel this argument is valid. Best Wishes, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Peter Davidson" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 4:02:08 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] A Curator Replies This is my first posting on this list - please be gentle with me. I have only been on the list a matter of a week or so and I seemed to have walked into a veritable storm. I would like to share my views with you as a curator. Please forgive this rather long mail. Taking a posting from Martin Altmann dated 7th July as my starting point, here goes. I have never heard a law being described as "exotic". Do you mean idiotic? I can in no way speak on behalf of all curators, far less Australian ones. I can only give you my own viewpoint but I do know many curators from Australia, mostly mineralogists, and please believe me when I tell you they are fine people and not the narrow-minded, nationalistic people hinted at in a number of e-mails. I also noted that Martin Altmann stated that everybody on the list was a "lousy layman" which is not only patently untrue but just a little sexist. But I digress. Curators are every bit as dedicated to their collections as private collectors are. We are not faceless bureaucrats (or similar) existing in some Kafkaesque nightmare world hidebound by rules, and seeking to restrict everyone else by creating a spider's web of red tape to trap the unwary. That notion is as ridiculous to me as the presumption that all dealers (minerals or meteorites) are shady and unscrupulous. As a curator at a National Museum, I am obligated by law (yes, I know!) to preserve and protect the collections of the museum and by extension, the nation. I choose to do this. I work in the museum because I want to. Every curator I have met shares with me a love of the specimens that they curate. We also share a passionate believe that it is our duty to bring our collections to the notice and attention of the public, and to make them available to researchers and other curators. Believe me when I tell you that museum curators/conservators are not well paid. We do it for love - well mostly. When I joined the museum in 1975, I also had to undertake never to start and build up my own collection. The collections of the museum ARE my collections. I also feel that Martin overstates the influence scientist have at governmental level. Yes, some scientists are asked to advise on certain matters, but in the end it is the politician that decides. My observations of this hated group, politicians that is, leads me to surmise that if some short term political advantage can be gained by appealing to the masses, fed to satedness by a largely right-wing populist press (the tabloids in the UK), then they will always take that course of action, no matter what the consequences are. This very often goes against the advice of scientists/curators and negates many decades of good interaction between the public and private sectors. As I mineralogist, I am painfully aware that the market for display quality specimens has now passed beyond the reach of publicly-funded museums. The meteorite market is no different. Nonetheless, as a curator at a National Museum, and I hope you can understand this point of view, there is a duty to collect for the Nation everything we can in order that we can research, interpret and explain to the people of Scotland, its historical, sociological, artistic and scientific heritage. The question raised by many contributors to the list is: should meteorites fall into that category? Clearly the Australian Government thought so, and so did the UK Government in the 1960's when legislation was introduced to Parliament but never passed into law. We already do our utmost to protect other geological sites. This policy is well intentioned and it can be argued that "fixed" geological outcrops, either mineralogical or pala
Re: [meteorite-list] Example of Lipping and direction stumper. TAKE 2
Hi McCartney, I'm betting on lee side. I've seen quite a few oriented stones with radial flow lines on both sides with the lee side showing, in all the cases I've seen, the fainter lines. Here's a quick few photos of the first one I could put my hands on, a little Chergach I got from Geoff Notkin: lee side: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=Chergach10-6gramleeside2.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=Chergach10-6gramleeside1.jpg windward side: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=Chergach10-6gramfrontside.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=Chergach10-36gmNotkin08100853-26MAL.jpg With my quick and dirty photos the lines look a lot fainter than they really are(compare Geoff's photo of the front to my more humble effort). Cheers, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "McCartney Taylor" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:00:40 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Example of Lipping and direction stumper. TAKE 2 http://outofabluesky.com/images/stories/stoneymeteorites/allende12-7.jpg This is an Allende. I'm not sure I understand the orientation signs I see. I see a star flow line pattern which indicates this side is windward. But the lipping on the NW side hints the side is leeward. So I'm a bit confused. Any ideas on alternate interpretations? -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find
Hi Rob, Greg, That really does look like a fall; beautiful stone. It reminds me of Bensour a bit, although I didn't see evidenve of brecciation which is pretty prominent in the Bensour I have seen. Any chance it could be from that fall? Regards, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Greg Hupe" To: "Rob Lenssen" , Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:54:50 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find Hello Rob, That is a very nice and fresh stone. I would say it does not represent any of the recent NWA falls. I would send it in to have it classified, and request the classifying scientist to have the terrestrial age dating performed by an approved lab. Obviously it will not get a distinct name without witnesses and GPS coords, but I think that it would be worth classifying. Good luck with it! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Rob Lenssen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] looking for classification advice for fresh find > Dear List, > > I received a new meteorite directly from a Moroccan dealer last week, that > looks remarkably fresh. > > The dealer told me the 314g stone was broken in (three) fragments by the > nomad who found it. Also the name of the town of find was provided. > > My first thought was that it would be one of recent years falls. > The dealer insists it's not. > As I thought the price to be OK, I decided to buy. > > I "studied" the pieces, and compared them to my Bassikounou: > The material looks whiter than Bassikounou (that again looks whiter (less > grey) than Chergach to me). > It has a lot of free iron (more than visible in the photographs) and few > visible larger chondrules. > Based on the free iron, I would not expect it to be LL like Bensour. > Tested with a magnet, it is attracted strongly, but slightly less than > Bassikounou an H-type chondrite. > And last, the crust has almost no dust (fine sand) contamination, like > Bassikounou typically has. > > My question is how to deal with this stone, with respect to > classification. > Does this stone deserve more than the standard NWA classification? > Should for instance terrestrial age be determined? > I would appreciate some guidance from List members who are > (professionally) involved in meteorite research. > > http://home.planet.nl/~rlenssen/314g/314g-NWA.html > > Kind regards, > Rob Lenssen > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show
Hi Michael, Arizona Mineral & Fossil Show, Tucson, AZ Dates: January 30–February 13, 2010 http://www.mzexpos.com/arizona.htm Cheers, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:35:16 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show Well, It is the second day of temps over 100% in SD - and there isn't Even a Santa Anna (wind reversal from the usual cooling breezes Blowing from the ocean eastward to HOT winds blowing from the Desert westward). Wonder how hot it is in Tucson right now? Speaking of which, if we can take a break from the non-meteoritic topic of aliens. Does anyone know the Dates of the Tucson Show in 2010? The auction and the Birthday Bash are always on the weekend after the technical "beginning weekend" (when dealers are still straggling in) And the weekend before the close of the show (when dealers start To leave on Fri, Sat or Sun). RSVP on list, please. Thanks, Michael On 8/28/09 11:24 AM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:07:32 -0400, you wrote: > >> My basic point is, humans are too stupid to figure out how life got started >> here on Earth. > > Now that, is unmitigated BULLSHIT. The fact that a question has not been > fully > answered yet does NOT necessiate that a question is unanserable. More is > becoming known about how life could have begun with each passing year-- and > will > likely have good, solid answers in time. Science is still young-- the wonder > isn't that there are still questions for which answers have not been found, > but > that so many answers HAVE been found in the past 2 or 3 centuries. Maybe YOU > are too stupid to figure it out, but that doesn't mean that there aren't > smarter > people than you working on it. > >> there is other life that spontaneously generated on some other planet long >> ago and in a faraway galaxy. > > Are you denying that spontaneous generation happened on Earth? Because it > seems > pretty clear that you are making religious arguments, not scientific ones. > You > seem to think that you are being rational and scientific, but you aren't. > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Could Dogs be trained to recover meteorites?
Hi Sonny, I think it was a German shepherd that found the fence buster meteorite at the Park Forest fall. Don't have the details of that story but you may be on to something here. Cheers, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:15:06 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Could Dogs be trained to recover meteorites? Hi List, I wonder what triggered Hopper to pick up and move the freshly fallen Ash Creek meteorite. Was it the sound of the meteorites falling to the ground or was it the strange smell that the meteorite produced? Could a dog be trained to aid in recovering meteorites from a fresh fall? What the heck, anything is possible. I decided to give it a try with my own dog. My dog is a 16 month old German Shepherd that is worked on the average of 45 minutes a day in some aspects of his training. The majority of his training is obedience and some scent tracking etc. Once Brix has the scent of the object you can hide it or throw it and he usually finds the object within minutes. The true test would be to arrive on a fresh fall and put his nose to the test (like that's going to happen). The next best thing to use would be meteorites from a fresh fall. The only problem would be the scent from everyone that has held the meteorites. I know what you are thinking, take a couple of Ash Creek meteorites and wash them off with a little detergent and water and place them in the yard. I decided to just wipe the meteorites off and place them in the yard. This sounded like the next best thing to a fresh strewn field. The only problem was that the neighbors cat decided to run across the strewn field at the time of the test. Brix (having all of his training in obedience) decided to chase the cat . Once I finally caught Brix and he was over the excitement of chasing the cat I could retry this theory. The second test went ok, Brix was able to find the meteorites with little difficulty. You have to wonder if Brix was still picking up my scent on the meteorites or my scent walking through the yard. I will keep you posted on the results. P.S. Anyone looking to purchase some slightly used meteorites? Just kidding! Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Murchison - 40th Anniversary
Hi Jeff et al., I think the prettiest Murchison I have ever seen belongs to Al Lang. He was kind enough to let me pick it up and examine it up close. It's perfectly oriented and complete. Here's the picture on Al's site: http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/murchison-295.htm Cheers, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Jeff Kuyken" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:34:21 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Murchison - 40th Anniversary Hi all, On this day 40 years ago in 1969, one of the most famous meteorites fell to Earth in a spectacular fashion. It was the beautiful Murchison CM2 meteorite which has been the subject of much scientific interest over the last four decades. It's this meteorite which sparked much interest in the contained amino acids and the burgeoning theories of meteorites seeding life on Earth. Happy Birthday Murchison. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&um=1&sa=1&q=murchison+meteorite Cheers, Jeff Kuyken Meteorites Australia www.meteorites.com.au Director - I.M.C.A. Inc. www.imca.cc P.S. A friend of mine was in Murchison today and no one had any idea it was the 40th Anniversary even though there was a big celebration for the 30th! ;-) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE Insights - TAMEDAGHT PHENOMENA - cross section through samples!
That was my thought as well, Steve. You may recall I posted some pictures to the list some time ago of a similar phenomenon where fragments got incorporated into the thickened crust on the backside of one of Marcin's oriented NWA meteorites. Here's one of the pictures of the specimen I have: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/NWA2826LL528gmMarcinCimalacloseup.jpg It's pretty easy to imagine a good sized chunk of this breaking loose in flight. Best Wishes, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Steve Schoner" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 8:57:10 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] RE Insights - TAMEDAGHT PHENOMENA - cross section through samples! I have in my collection several odd very thick vesicular fusion crusts, about 3 mm thick and about a cm wide that were found in the Norton Co. strewnfield. These are certainly fusion crust from the backside of the main mass, or other oriented Norton individuals. These crusts are black with chunks of un-fused Norton meteorite embedded within. Looks like this material is very similar in formation as to what was found with the Norton meteorite. Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 Message: 1 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 21:26:57 +0200 From: "Martin Altmann" Subject: [meteorite-list] Insights - TAMEDAGHT PHENOMENA - cross section through samples! To: Message-ID: <003101c9cdb7$74d40110$177f2...@name86d88d87e2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good Evening List, Stefan's enquiring mind urged him (of course) to cut the samples of that ominous Tamdaght products - with an amazing results. And we want to share his observations here: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/tam1.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/vip/tam2.jpg It turned out, that all fragments incorporated into that material are really meteoritic fragments! Even the large round fusion-crust-balls or bubbles emerging from the surface had a small fragment left inside. The fragments themselves are modified, the smaller ones seemed to be changed by heat more than the larger ones - but in all the original H5-matrix is still cognizable. No terrestrial stones or fragments he could find. Strange is, that the some of the assembled fragments show a thicker own fusion crust, some a thinner, some no crust at all. The dark "glue" between the fragments revealed under the microscope to be a weird mixture of a black melt (perhaps fusion crust too?), tiny glassy pearls and metal grains, the latter of a sometimes quite large size (possibly troilite). I decided, to name that material from now on to honour the observer: "Ralewite" :-) In the German meteorite forum, we're speculating about the formation of that strange conglomerate. Were from a flying meteorid in stable flight, developing a special fat crust, fragments merging from the apex to the backside, where they assembled? Was a stone with still soft fusion crust crossing a debris cloud of a fragmentation of another stone close in front of it and larded with splinters? Any other ideas? Ahem, of course we were already asked, whether we would sell some of the cuts. Well, perhaps 4 halves or so we can offer. Difficult to set a price, cause it's such an unique phaenomenon. So I'd like to orientate the price, on the result the specimen of glass melt without meteorite fragments, where in this discussion was reffered to, yielded on ebay. Guess that's o.k. cause these are cut and contain meteorite fragments, nobody will say anything against: 60$/g Best! Martin & Stefan Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/ Free information on accounting careers. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/BLSrjpdegd1y1WDFw9w4EI6KaKWDBLW6nPQuMsSJWK0vTVXMpwSomnm8KLO/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New househitting meteorite fall from Mexico
Killer! Looks like the day it fell! Congratulations, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 8:37:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] New househitting meteorite fall from Mexico Hello all, one week after getting stones in Kenya last sunday I bought pieces of my househitter from Muguga which had been sent all night by bus from Mombassa, I flew to Mexico and this sunday bought another stone, a househitter from San Juan Ocotan, Zapopan, Guadalajara. This meteorite 1,369 grams. This location is on the edge of the city, next to a massive air force base. It fell in September 2007, exact date unknown. It fell at ~3:00 am and smashed through a very poor house which had a tile roof covered with a tarp and smashed into mud bricks. The stone still has marks of the blue tarp, and the tile and mud bricks embedded in the stone. It was used for two years to hold open a shop door by the homeowner and seen by another man who recognized it as something special and acquired it. He finally emailed me asking if it was a meteorite. I flew to Guadalajara and bought it this weekend. It is in perfect condition, never damaged or cleaned thankfully, and while the owners family wanted to smash it to see inside, he never did! Quite a score, a Mexican hammerstone that appears to be a L or LL3! Not for sale http://meteoriteguy.com/guadalajara http://meteoriteguy.com/mexicometeorite.JPG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad and new website announcement
Outstanding! Your site will be a great addition to the meteorite collecting world, Jack. I've already bookmarked it for frequent visits. Gorgeous lunar, by the way. Best, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Jack Schrader" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:27:17 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad and new website announcement Hello list members! I would like to take this opportunity to introduce you to my very newly created website: www.otherworldsmeteorites.net or www.otherworldsmeteorites.com. My involvement in this wonderful passion for meteorites has evolved to the point where it was just time to have my own website and I would like to sincerely thank my incredibly talented daughter-in-law Dr. Jemma Davidson for her help and EXTREME patience with me in creating this website. To inaugurate my website I have a new lunar meteorite featured for sale, NWA 6721. This lunar meteorite was discovered in the Hamada du Draa region of NWA sometime in early to mid 2010. This lunar material has a very low tkw of 184 grams distributed among 17 individual stones. The material was expertly and beautifully prepared by Marlin Cilz of the Montana Meteorite Laboratory. All slices are full slices prepared from the individual stones and are cut to a minimum thickness of 1.0 to 1.5 mm in order to give the collector the maximum surface area to weight ratio. The slices have also been highly polished on one side only by Marlin. There are also a good number of end cuts available as well. These are especially nice to have as they represent well the exterior appearance of the original stone on one side and the beauty of the feldspathic breccia on the other highly polished prepared side. Also, I have spared seven of the nicer smaller stones in order to offer the collector the rare opportunity to add a complete individual of NWA 6721 to their collections! There is less than 75 grams of this material available to collectors so there will not be much to go around. So please feel free to check out my website remembering that it is still in its infancy. As I become more proficient at managing the website, I will be adding more meteorites for sale from my collection and acquisitions as well as picturing some of my collection in the gallery. Thanks for looking and best wishes, Jack Schrader IMCA #2329 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] FWD from Mike Farmer - Robbery in Kenya
You handled that amazingly well, Mike. Very cool under fire! Glad you got out OK and that Melodye decided to stay in the hotel. Best, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Art" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 11:36:42 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] FWD from Mike Farmer - Robbery in Kenya Forwarded from Mike: "Yesterday I was robbed in Thika, Kenya by a group of men armed with at least one gun, handcuffs and machetes. We were attacked after being led into the field to buy meteorites. It was a well-planned and prepared ambush set up by some of my contacts. They knew that yesterday was my last day in the field and they wanted all the money. I knew it was dangerous to return to the field for a third time but they lured me back to Kenya with stories of many mo stones. I bought a 209 gram stone yesterday just after arriving, but then our contacts told us that for 3 more pieces we had to pick up a guy and he would take us to the location. Should have known this was a disaster, but overconfident. We drove through the del Monte pineapple fields toward Mwana Wikio so I knew it was the strewn field area so was not concerned. We arrived in a desolate area with a small stone building and after waiting about 2 minutes two guys walked past the car, nothing abnormal in Africa. Suddenly I saw a guy run up beside our car with a gun and my driver tried to start the car but it was too late, 5 or 6 guys ambushed us including the guy in the car. They beat my driver and other guy with us, forced them out of nuts car and locked them in the trunk. I was sandwiched in between two guys with a machete at my throat, a very sharp one. I kept telling the to relax, take the money, they were all yelling in English and Swahili for me to give them the dollars. I kept telling them I had Kenyan shillings only. I had about $2500 cash me, they ripped my clothes apart and ransacked the car. They took my phones American and Kenyan, wallet, passport, backpack with meteorite, camera etc, even took my Teva sandals off my feet, one man had the gun at my head the other the machete at my throat the entire time so I could not move. One kept screaming at them to "kill him, finish it";. I must have been more calm than at any other time in my life and you all know I am not a calm person. Oddly it seemed like time was standing still, all this activity around me and yelling and I just kept telling them to relax, take the money and let us go. Suddenly all of them got in the car, me and 3 in the back and two in the front and they moved the car into the woods, brush. I was then realizing that they were likely going to kill us, why move the car after you get all the stuff? Then one guy said again to kill me and the other said no. He then threw me my passport and wallet empty of cash of course, and said "no documents" then ask me if I could drive. I said yes and he told me to drive. I tried to get out but one hit me in the head with something and told me not to get out but to go over the seats, I was then panicking and struggling to get to the front of the car, but somehow got the car started and they all ran. I drove very fast down very bad dirt trail with my two guys in the trunk screaming, after maybe a mile or so I stopped and let them out. We rushed to the Thika main police station and reported the robbery. It was foolish to go into the bush and I nearly paid with my life this time, they planned the attack for days communicating with my driver. The police are pulling all his call records so should be able to catch them. They took a lot of expensive things like my Tag Heur watch, Sony camera, I phone etc, all can be found as no one there has money for such things. Sentence for violent armed robbery here is mandatory life in prison, which the police told me would be lucky to pass 10 years before dying. My wife decided to stay in the hotel in Nairobi thank god she was scared and told me not to go. She knew something bad was going to happen. Heading home now, a lot poorer but happy to have my head attached." Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CHEROKEE SPRINGS METEORITE HOMECOMING
Hi Michael, Well earned for your services to the collecting community over the years with your Rocks from Space site. And a typically generous gesture from Mike Farmer. Best, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Michael Johnson" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:28:35 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] CHEROKEE SPRINGS METEORITE HOMECOMING http://www.stonesfromthesky.com/CHEROKEESPRINGS_HOMECOMING_PG2.html Regards, Michael Johnson http://www.stonesfromthesky.com http://www.rocksfromspace.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Website Up and Running
Great looking site, Jason! Cheers, Jim - Original Message - From: "jason utas" To: "Meteorite-list" , i...@imcamail.de Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:20:45 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] New Website Up and Running Hello All, I've spent the past several months working on a website in my spare time. Unfortunately, it's not as educational as I would have liked yet because I simply haven't had the time to improve the general pages. But there's a reasonable assortment of meteorites for sale, and I did my best with the photos, some of which are pretty cool (you might check out the page for the lunar NWA 6470). I tried to include a little more information and research than is usually put into such things, and turned up some cool facts and stories about some of the specimens being offered. The URL is: www.fallsandfinds.com You'll also find some pieces of new and unusual meteorites as well as pieces of some meteorites not available anywhere else. For those of you waiting for a piece of the recent house-hitter from Poland, I was able to obtain a few grams of Soltmany fragments from a friend who literally drove all night to get to the place of the fall shortly after it occurred. I wasn't really sure what to charge for them since no one else seems to have any for sale, so I compared to a few other recent European falls of similar TKW's. I hope you enjoy the site and pictures and hope to hear from y'all; if you've got some suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I'll be uploading some collection photos soon -- the site is definitely still under construction, so please stay tuned for updates. Thanks, Jason IMCA 7630 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869
Hi Melanie, I was lucky enough to get a dinner plate sized 895 gram slice of NWA 869 from Blaine Reed back in 2008. I asked him and the mass he cut to produce it weighed 84 pounds, just short of 40kg. Not sure if anyone out there knows of a larger one. The Metoritical Bulletin just says individual masses to >20kg. Best, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Melanie Matthews" To: "MeteoriteList" Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 5:28:12 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about NWA 869 How big is/was the largest NWA869 mass found? --- -Melanie "MetMel" - avid meteorite collector/enthusiast from Canada! IMCA#: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] California and Oregon Iron Meteorite Slices Available on Ebay - 99 Cent Starts
Hello all, Everyone should check out Patrick's killer howardite NWA 6695. Those angular contrasting pitch black CM2 inclusions are phenomenal! Best, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Patrick Thompson" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 5:28:16 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] California and Oregon Iron Meteorite Slices Available on Ebay - 99 Cent Starts Greetings list members, Just a quick note to let you know I have listed some beautiful slices of Red Rock, California Iron meteorite with 99 cent minimum starting bid on eBay. In addition, there are some other great hard to find items like Klamath Falls, Oregon IIIF Iron slices, awesome howardite slices with black carbonaceous inclusions, and more. Follow this link to check out the items: http://www.ebay.com/sch/thecooleststuff_503/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 Thank you very much! Best wishes, Patrick Thompson eBay ID: thecooleststuff_ 503 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the tucson page
Hi Paul, We all owe you a huge thanks for having done this for us in the past. It's been a great help and truly appreciated. Best, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Paul Harris" Cc: "meteorite-list" Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 6:48:02 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the tucson page Dear List, Sorry but I will not be doing the Tucson Information page this year. My work schedule changed last March and I lost 6 days off per month. Simply no time... Sorry, Paul Harris On 1/5/2012 7:39 PM, steve arnold wrote: > Hi list.I was wondering if the the tucson page has been put up yet?The > page that lets you know who is coming and where dealers are! > __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Masterpiece of the new Martian fall Tissint
Awesome!! Jim B - Original Message - From: "Chladnis Heirs" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:16:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] A Masterpiece of the new Martian fall Tissint Dear list-members, let us contribute to the discussion about that new Martian fall, which certainly belongs to one of the most exciting events in all our collector-lives, in sharing some pictures of a stone, which is the most amazing example of this new fall, we have seen so far. The specimen is a completely fusion crusted individual with a weight of 147 grams. The pristine and extremely clean crust displays a fantastic deep-black gloss. Furthermore it shows indications of a slight orientation, if you note the lipping running over the edge to the left. http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/new-meteorites/tissint.html Simply enjoy! Stefan & Martin Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill 0.55 gram
Sent Mike farmer some pictures of the crust side of the tiny fragment I found and he suggested I share them with the list. The piece is only 6 by 9 mm but packs as much interest per gram under the microscope as any meteorite I've seen. The small bit of crust on the side of the lip away from the direction of flight is iridescent in places and has staining around many of the little holes where material outgassed: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=SuttersMill0-55gmcrustshowinglip.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=SuttersMill0-55gmcrustandlip.jpg another picture of the crust: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=SuttersMill0-55gmcrustb.jpg The back, broken side has a lot of small white crystals: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=SuttersMill0-55gmbrokensurface.jpg and a nice 1mm chondrule: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/?action=view¤t=SuttersMill0-55gmchondrule.jpg An amazing meteorite, Jim Baxter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the last iron meteorite fall
Steve, Kelly, No vast knowledge but the Met Bull lists 13 falls of irons since Sikhote-Alin. Two after Sterlitamak(Ban Rong Du in Thailand and Kavarpura in India). Would love to have a specimen of any one of the 13. Is anyone selling?? Jim B - Original Message - From: "Kelly Beatty" To: "steve arnold" , "meteorite-list" Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 3:44:31 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the last iron meteorite fall Steve... Sterlitamak, Russia May 17, 1990 IIIAB iron http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P clear skies, Kelly J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY & TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords
I think Rob's embargo period, which would address Doug Ross's and Mike Miller's concerns, is a great solution to this issue. >From my very limited (n of 3) experience there are significant psychological >issues involved in addition to scientific ones in the field. Sadly meteorite >folk like everyone else fall into a bell shaped distribution of social skills >and of ethical behavior. All of the established meteorite hunters I have seen >in action are really skillful at educating landowners and establishing >confidence and rapport with them. But now that we are able to get such great >radar data from Marc et al., a large number of people get into the field >pretty quickly and this may, and likely will, include a number of people on >the other end of the bell curve. If only one or two coordinates are published >I can envision hoards descending on the published spots possibly including >some bad actors who will 'poison the well' and set up an atmosphere of >distrust and resentment toward hunters. Even if all behave well a high >concentration of people nosing around within a small area early on will likely >be seen as a nuisance at best, threatening at worst. If all the information hunters have to go on for the embargo period is the general strewnfield radar data, at least the hunters will be scattered more widely throughout the search area and there will be a lower likelihood of our endeavor getting a bad reputation among the local folks from the start. If the local community gets the impression that the hunters are respectful and are offering a benefit to them more land will be available for hunting. If, on the other hand, they get the impression we are disrespectful or a threat to their privacy and their property, then more properties are going to be off limits and far less material recovered. Best, Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Robert D. Matson" To: "Doug Ross" , "Meteorite List List" Cc: "Marc Fries" Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 3:35:00 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords Hi All, I would concur with Doug Ross's and Mike Miller's take on the meteorite coordinate publication problem, and would opine that the least-offending solution is to embargo coordinates for some period of time to respect the efforts of hard-working meteorite hunters while still satisfying the scientific community. In the (rare) case of a meteorite fall for which radar data exists, the general search area and trend line are well known -- at least to those who know how to download and interpret said data, or have been willing to pay those who do. But even with such information in hand, there are classical meteorite hunting skills that relatively few people possess. With the understanding that there can be significant "clustering" of meteorites in a fall, I don't know that I would be particularly thrilled if a tyro was shadowing me in the field based on coordinates of a fresh find I had made a day or two earlier. Aside from the overall "fairness" aspect of the situation, it is a guaranteed distraction to hunting efficiency if you are constantly wondering whether you are covering ground that someone else has already searched. But perhaps more to the heart of the matter, there is really no scientific urgency in making exact find coordinates public when the radar returns for a fall can span over 20 square kilometers. If anything, published coordinates can actually be a scientific hindrance, because the overall search area will not be covered as thoroughly when people choose to concentrate their efforts on where the latest find happened to be made. On a final note, I would like to think that the promise of embargoing find coordinates for some period of time would be more conducive to accurate reporting of those coordinates (though still no guarantee). When people are pressured into reporting coordinates before they are ready, they will fudge -- even independent of any find location legal issue. If scientists want to maximize data accuracy and completeness, they cannot ignore human psychology. Fairness and proportionate compensation are just as relevant to meteorite hunting as any other competitive human endeavor. Good Hunting to All, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chladni´s Heirs closing their doors
Very sad news indeed! You two have been a wonderful source of amazing material. I wish you both well in future ventures and hope the meteortite community will continue to appreciate, and to benefit from, your expertise and enthusiasm. Best , Jim Baxter - Original Message - From: "Stefan Ralew" To: "Meteorite List List" Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 4:58:31 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Chladni´s Heirs closing their doors Dear list members unfortunately, it falls upon me to announce the final closure of Chladni's Heirs. After thorough contemplation, Martin and I have decided to end our cooperation. The brand 'Chladni's Heirs' will cease to exist. For more than two years there had been differences of opinion, especially about our public image and the division of labor within Chladni's Heirs. In the end, in spite of a lot of discussions, we could not agree on necessary changes. That is why business has more or less been in abeyance since January. Since Martin had told me that he would take some time out because of illness, I wanted to give him time for a final decision until his recovery. For a few weeks I myself have already undertaken preparations to relaunch my own business (SR Meteorites) because life continues. I am determined to continue providing to all collectors the service and the quality you are used to. I look forward to many new and interesting meteorites and new challenges. And my enthusiasm is unbroken. Finally I would like to thank everyone for their support over the past years! With best wishes, Stefan Ralew __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Favorite Ordinary Chondrites
Hello Berndt, I don't think I can choose favorites but I'd like to speak up for two chondrites which I think are underrated, presumably because they are so common and available. The first is Zag (H3-6) , spectacular brecciation, really unequilibrated host, and fresh thick crust. The other is El Hammami (H5),light matrix with nicely contrasting blue chondrules and dramatic veins of metal ,also very fresh crust. Regards, Jim Baxter p.s. Of course there is the magnificent Portales Valley (H6) which is technically an ordinary chondrite, though I place it in a class by intelf both in terms of beauty and interest. -- Reply Separator Originally From: Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] Favorite Ordinary Chondrites Date: 03/11/2003 06:08pm Hello List, Presently my five favorite chondrites are the following: 1. My 28.08-gram Wiluna (H5) with its delicate flow lines, its rich brownish-black crust - and it does look like G a s p r a ! 2. My 30.8-gram NWA 0869 (L4 ?) - it has awesome brecciation and one large achondritic (?) clast (0.7 x 0.5 mm) + abundant FeNi specks. 3. My 45.5-gram Sahara 99420 (L6) - see MetTimes Interview Breathtaking complete metal-rich slice with metal pockets, shock veins, and ringwoodite. 4. My 251 g and 131 g NWA 1685 specimens (LL6) with primary + secondary fusion crust, several regmaglypts, and creamy-white, light-gray, and medium-gray clasts. 5. My 13.5-gram Kilabo slice (LL6) Shocked, brecciated, absolutely pristine stone - an aesthetic feast for the eye ! Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions
Hi John and list, I agree completely with John. Jim Baxter -- Reply Separator Originally From: "John Sinclair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions Date: 08/26/2002 12:04pm Hi List, As a meteorite dealer that has had great success from posting and selling with the help of this list, I would like to see Art restrict dealers and anyone else selling, to one 'sale' post per week or 2 per month or something similar. This list was formed for the discussion of meteorites, not for dealers like myself, to use as a free advertising forum. The amount of postings has greatly increased over the past few years and limiting 'sale' postings would benefit us all. My 2 grams, John Sinclair www.meteoriteUSA.com www.meteorites.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
