Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 holed mundrabilla
Very expensive holes, Steve. That's 10 times more than I paid for one similar size Mundra without holes. regards Lasse steve arnold skrev: Good morning list.Just a quick note.I have a 22 gram mundrabilla with 2 HOLES,not 1 forsale.$200 and I pay shipping.I will also throw in 3 small unclassified fragments as a thanks.A picture is on my homepage of my website.Please offlist if interested.Thanks and have a great day. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! http://chicagometeorites.net/ Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thanks for over 100,000 views on youtube!!!
Thanks Ruben for making these videos. I have enjoyed them all many times. I look forward to see more meteorite videos from you. Thanks Lasse Ruben Garcia skrev: Hi all, I just wanted to thank everyone for watching my videos!! Also special thanks to Jim and Paul at www.meteorite-times.com for allowing me to film these fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants videos for them over the last year. In just over 10 months I've received over 100,000 views and (almost as many emails) Lately I've taken a break to work on my first love...MUSIC! If you're bored take a look at the link below to see a couple of raw music videos that I uploaded today. Nothing special, just a glimpse into my music. http://www.youtube.com/user/myoriginalsongs Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "How Do You Know It's A Meteorite"?
Or as one guy clamied on Ebay, "it's from another galaxy" regards Lasse Thomas Webb skrev: Dear List Member, I would like to hear your most convincing response to the layman's question, "How do you know it's a meteorite"? My best, Thomas You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Waaaayyyyyy OT
Hi Gary Thanks for sharing. I'm in your age and this headsup got me thinking about to making this test. There are many things I want to say, but somehow all can be expressed in just a few words... My thought's goes to you and I really hope that things turn out the way we all hope. Take care Lasse Gary K. Foote skrev: Hi Greg, I too believe and adding your prayers to those already rising from all my friends around the world is another level of power. There is strength in numbers, Very Best, Gary Hi Gary, I'm a believer in prayer. Know that I will be praying for you. Also, no need to apologize for going "off topic" about this. Best wishes, Greg Lindh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:47:06 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] OT - Wyy OT Sorry to go so off topic but if this post helps one person then I will happily endure the ire of my fellow listoids for years to come. I have been diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer. It could have been detected as early as 2000 or so had I had a simple PSA test then [Blood test. Costs about 15 or 20 dollars] and today I would not be approaching surgery and followup therapy for two years at the end of this month. My very first PSA was 6 times the panic button number, so its been growing in there for some time and is quite aggressive. Zero symptoms, so PSA is the best early detector. I urge every man on this list who is over 40 to get a PSA test, if not for yourselves, then for your wives, sons, daughters, girlfriends, mothers, fathers, friends and anyone else you care about. They need you in their lives and early detection means 99% survivability. Do it TODAY! NOT TOMORROW!!! [getting off soapbox now] Gary __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:37 PM __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Member Threats SCAM??
Hi Greg I have'nt got any emails of this kind, but a few that was a lot nicer. No real threats. I got these from scammers, not just the chinese ones but also others that I'm constantly "harass" for selling obvious fakes. Thanks for sharing. I'll keep an extra eye out for this kind of threats. I'm no sissy when it comes to deal with these guys. They need constantly be reminded what they are doing. Regards Lasse Greg Hupe skrev: Dear List Members, I have received threat emails from a Chinese eBayer (or at least his name) and wanted to see if others are receiving these as well. I talked to my eBay rep and he said this sounds like it may be a type of scam where they harass you in order to get a response from you to get information. He said he has not heard of one this bad and threatening before. He asked if I could see if other meteorite eBayers have received the threats so he could open this case. Here is the threat from today from "gem*rock": "good morning, it looks you works hard, it looks eBay is also important to you like us, just a remind, after we stop to sell these meteorites which you called suspect, if you still do harm to our business with our clients, you will meet the worse problem, and if you do too absolutely to make us out of business/eBay, only 50$ is enough to make you and yours. I will stop to sell them, for us and for other sellers, regards, gem*rock" I did not do a direct reply to this email as I did not know yet if it truly originated from eBay and that is what we are trying to establish here. I guess eBay can look up the email headers to see if they went through eBay, and if so, boot these scumbags! Thank you for your help. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not?
Chris, I honestly do not know if there were a sonic boom. I've heard sonic booms from aircrafts and those are pretty much loder than from a small rock. The background noise level here is other than that of a quiet countryside. Two highways and a major airport (Copenhagen) just a fe tens of kilometers away. There are allways rumbling in the air... ;) I don't think anyone could hear a sonic boom from here unless it was a really big fireball. There might had been a sonic boom, but I did not hear it. Regards Lasse Chris Peterson skrev: Hi Lasse- As you're probably aware, Steve's story about his near miss is complete nonsense. You're right that there may be a meteorite, although the odds are probably against it. But considering what you saw, if the conditions in the estimated direction (obviously the distance must be kilometers, not a few hundred meters!) are suitable for a search, you might want to at least conduct a basic ground survey. Unfortunately, another thing working against the odds is the lack of sonic booms. Fireballs which reach a low enough height to break up and produce meteorites are virtually always accompanied by sonic booms in the fall area. If you talk with people in your search area, be sure to ask about sounds. That's the most useful indicator that you're searching the right place. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Lasse Lindh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not? Steve, I did not hear anything, but that does not necesarry mean thet there isn't a meteorite. I live in the city and I have two highways between myself and a possible hit, so it has to be big to sound through that noise. Regards Lasse Steve Dunklee skrev: if you can find another witness from another angle you might narrow it down some. post on astronomy forums and see what happens. the gradual dimming does sound promising. having it look stationary means it was comming directly at you. but it could have fallen a long way from your position. or just a few hundred feet. you didnt mention hearing anything. if it was close you should have heard something. Cheers Steve __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not?
Steve, I did not hear anything, but that does not necesarry mean thet there isn't a meteorite. I live in the city and I have two highways between myself and a possible hit, so it has to be big to sound through that noise. Regards Lasse Steve Dunklee skrev: if you can find another witness from another angle you might narrow it down some. post on astronomy forums and see what happens. the gradual dimming does sound promising. having it look stationary means it was comming directly at you. but it could have fallen a long way from your position. or just a few hundred feet. you didnt mention hearing anything. if it was close you should have heard something. Cheers Steve Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not?
Hi Steve No it turned weaker gradually in a smooth way. No sudden variations or flashes. Regards Lasse Steve Dunklee skrev: Did it go out then flare up again several times or just go dim? The one that almost hit my truck was at dusk so when it finally went out after flaring up several times it glowed dim before turning dark. then came at me like a line drive softball. I could still see it because the setting sun was behind it over the horizon and it was light enough out i had just turned my lights on but could see kids playing basketball. the whole event also seemed like ten seconds to me. One that fell near my house a few years ago came nearly strait down then spiraled like a piece of wood on fire lighting up the trees on the hill behind it as it flared up and went out before going out. My son and a friend of his found it several days later in a sand bar buried about a foot and a half deep. A good way to picture a meteorite fall is to stick a CD in an apple at a 30 degree angle with the stem north and the end point of the CD at the equator. If you consider the plane of the CD as the orbital plane of the meteorite. the meteorite will not deviate from this plane very much until it has reached terminal velocity. a person viewing from the stem may view the fall as Western in direction. a person viewing from the plane of the orbit will see a strait down fall. a person viewing from the southwest will see a fall traveling to the northeast.a person under the fall will see it travel east to west. as an example people in Burlingame Kansas saw the Paragould meteorite fall strait down. people in St Louis saw it fall Southwest. people in Kentucky saw it fall east to west and people in Batesville Ark saw it fall in a northwesterly direction. Amazing since Paragould is nearly parallel with Batesville. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not?
Hi Chris and Rob Thanks for your replies. I can say with certainty that it was not a satellite. These are moving objects and I've seen plenty of those as well as iridium flares. I'm also an amateur astronomer and have seen my share of these man made objects. I've also seen a few meteors that almost took aim at me before, but slightly diverted, all fast and short ones. I could be mistaken on the time. It's hard to estimate time when things happen fast. It could well be a lot less instead. I have tried to go through the event in my head and the shortest time I've come up with is 5-6 sec but that feels a bit short. But it may be more correct. It's based on the fact that the light caught my eye, I turned my head towards it and stared at it and concluded that it was out of place and should not be there. A second or two later it started to get weaker and disappeard. The weaening was gradual, not like turning a light bulb off. So it might be somewhere in the order of 5-7 sec. Thing is, observing is quite easy but estimating time during an observation is a lot harder especially if all attention is concentrated towards the pure visual part. The weather balloon theory sounds interesting. I've never seen anything like that. But then, it has to be very high to reflect the sun this time of the year an hour from midnight. Regards Lasse Chris Peterson skrev: Hi Rob- It's certainly possible. I've seen three head-on meteors, and recorded a few dozen on cameras. But I'm an astronomer, and spend a lot of time looking. I don't know how accurate the 10-second time estimate was. If accurate, it's not only too long for most meteors, but also a bit long (but not impossibly) for an Iridium flare. More to the point, however, is that Lasse was comparing the event location to surrounding stars. Iridiums move pretty fast, and a 10-second flare would move significantly. It sounds like he was enough in tune with the stars to notice something like that. Another possibility, depending on the time and sun angle, would be a reflection from a weather balloon (or its payload). I've seen them do some pretty odd things, and they appear stationary for a long time. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Rob Matson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not? Hi Chris and Lasse, There is another possibility to consider: Lasse may not have seen a fireball at all. Consider: 1. So-called "point meteors" are very rare; they are rarer still when the radiant is close to the observer's zenith. 2. The 10-second duration is probably too long for a point meteor at such high elevation angle. Even at the slowest possible initial entry velocity (11.2 km/sec), a meteor only 14 degrees from zenith cannot maintain a velocity above 3 km/sec for that length of time. I offer an alternate explanation: Lasse may have observed a glinting satellite, perhaps an Iridium satellite. This is easy enough to check, knowing the date, time and location of the observation. On March 28th and 29th there were high elevation Iridium flares for Sweden in the early evening in the eastern sky -- in the vicinity of the bowl of the Big Dipper. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not?
Hi Chris That was bad news. I hoped for a small rock out there. I calculated 3 km, but then I used 15 km as terminal height. Regards Lasse Chris Peterson skrev: Ah. So you're saying that you observed a stationary meteor, that didn't appear to move across the sky at all? If so, that's the one special case where you can accurately estimate the fall angle from a single viewpoint. If the meteor's apparent altitude was +76°, then that is indeed the fall angle (which is too steep to make this a promising candidate for meteorite production). Being so high in the sky also lets you narrow down both the distance and the speed. The long duration suggests a slow speed, and a final height of 30km would be a reasonable estimate. So that would place the end of the meteor around 7km away from you, on the azimuth of the event. If something survived, however, it would have continued to fall at a low speed for several minutes, subject to the effects of the wind. Any meteorites that landed could have been in any direction from the retardation point, including behind it (that is, farther away from you). If you have good wind information, you can make some rough estimates. My own intuition is that the combination of steep descent angle and lack of terminal explosion suggests that the meteoroid simply ablated away, and probably didn't produce any meteorites. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Lasse Lindh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not?
Hi Chris Thanks for your answer. Well, this one pointed straight towards me. While bright and when it got weaker it did not move at all. I could see this because there were two stars just beside it. I am an amteur astronomer, so observing is nothing new to me. It did not deviate during the fall. I first thought it to be a GRB since it was so stationary, but then I realized that that was out of the question, so the only thing left was a meteorite. It showed no sign of break up. Checking the star map, it held an angle of 76 degrees. It's brightness could be a lot higher than -4. It's hard to tell. Regards Lasse Chris Peterson skrev: That's a difficult question to answer. The majority of meteorites come from meteors that are not terribly bright. But mag -4, while technically a fireball, isn't much of one, and is very common. It's fair to say that a -4 meteor is a candidate for meteorite production, but I don't know how to quantify that chance. If the information you are providing is purely from your own observation, there's not enough information to make any estimates. From a single vantage point, the velocity and fall angle of the event are impossible to determine. It may have been heading nearly towards you, several hundred kilometers away, or it may have been dropping straight down 50 km away. There's no way to tell. Finally, from a single viewpoint you have no way of estimating where the actual fall might be. Even with many witnesses and camera views, it's usually not possible to narrow a fall zone to less than many square miles. The meteors that are most likely to produce meteorites have some common characteristics. They are slow, usually less than 20 km/s (which is most likely in early evening meteors). Their entry angles are shallow, which provides lots of time to slow down while high in the atmosphere, before the air becomes so thick that a fast object can ablate rapidly ablate away, or fragment into small pieces that burn up. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com ----- Original Message - From: "Lasse Lindh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:44 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not? Hi all If one sees a meteor fall with a brightness of -4 or brighter, it's duration is +10 sec. What is the chances of finding a small rock where it suppose to have landed? Is it big enough considering the brightness and length of fall. It needs to be said that the angle of the fall was around 75-80 degrees, allmost straight down. Regards Lasse __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rock on the ground or not?
Hi all If one sees a meteor fall with a brightness of -4 or brighter, it's duration is +10 sec. What is the chances of finding a small rock where it suppose to have landed? Is it big enough considering the brightness and length of fall. It needs to be said that the angle of the fall was around 75-80 degrees, allmost straight down. Regards Lasse __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '869?
Hi Martin Thanks Martin for the info. Your a great source of knowledge as always and not afraid to give me a lesson... ;o) I do appreciate it. I have seen some questionable info and I agree that it is unfortunate. Regards Lasse Martin Altmann wrote: Hi Lasse, these ebay-discussions are recurrent and I guess, one can break them down to the consensus, that on ebay there are good purchases to be found, but that ebay isn't directly always the best place to buy meteorites. Cause if you take all offers together, then - pity enough for the serious sellers - ebay turns out to be that marketplace for meteorites with the by far lowest standards of ethics. That kinds of discussions are ending always like the amen in the church with the maxim: Know your dealers (and if possible: your meteorites). You have to see, that on ebay is working the whole spectrum offerers; >From the extremely scrupulous professional dealer or experienced veteran collector, down to those, who haven't any clues about meteorites or understand ebay as an anonymous flea-market, where they can "leave no stone unturned" by disthonest means to squeeze out the last penny of material of doubtful quality, because they won't be called to account for. Note furthermore that the so called "meteorite market" developed from a pure collectors' scene and still today it is borne mainly by collectors, especially on ebay, and even most of the reputable dealers, who you know, aren't making their days in selling meteorites, but are dealing meteorites because of their feeble for such matter or as side occupation among others. There of course it is natural, that also not yet so advanced collectors offer here and there their specimens, who naturally are making mistakes. In general it is a welcome fact, at least I think so, that meteorites and their trade are driven mainly by collectors and enthusiasts. Well in this case maybe the seller mixed some specimens or he bought a lot of NWA 869, where also some other old meteorites creeped in, which he wasn't able to distinguish from true 869ers. If you look into his other auctions, you'll find, that he must be quite new to meteoritics as you easily can notice from his sometimes inadequate attributes he uses in his descriptions and sometimes he's telling absolute rubbish. E.g. that Sikhote: Item number: 120231123026 http://cgi.ebay.com/Sikhote-Alin-meteorite-27-1-grams-Nice-specimen-NR_W0QQi temZ120231123026QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Well, don't let me keep you with that beauty vs. the beholder's eyes-thing, the incorrectness here is, that it has absolutely no flow lines, as he states. Problem I see, is, that he has an IMCA-label. I think it should be the job of the two warrantors, who recommended him to be a member, to point out that mistake to him, to tutor him to do his homework and to coach him a little bit. Anyway, I could bet, that it won't take more than 10 days, until we'll have the next ebay-discussion on the list. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Lasse Lindh Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. März 2008 11:51 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] '869? Hi I just want to clearify my last message in case someone misunderstood my meaning. I've bought several items from this dealer and have no complaint what so ever. On the contrary, I've got great items at good price and it was a pleasure. Even if someone dislikes this slice and think it's not worth a penny, the starting price WAS LOW, $0.99, and if some bidder want to pay $15, $50 or a $100 for that, it's nothing to blame the seller. He started low. There are sellers that sells pure crap for five or 10 times that much at Buy it Now. Hope that clears it... :) Lasse __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '869?
Hi I just want to clearify my last message in case someone misunderstood my meaning. I've bought several items from this dealer and have no complaint what so ever. On the contrary, I've got great items at good price and it was a pleasure. Even if someone dislikes this slice and think it's not worth a penny, the starting price WAS LOW, $0.99, and if some bidder want to pay $15, $50 or a $100 for that, it's nothing to blame the seller. He started low. There are sellers that sells pure crap for five or 10 times that much at Buy it Now. Hope that clears it... :) Lasse Lasse Lindh skrev: Hi Starting price was $0.99. I've seen a lot worse from reputable dealers. Some has sold pure crap on Ebay. That is just for squeezing a few bucks out of something that ought to be in the waste bin. Sad, but money talks. Lasse Darren Garrison skrev: On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: 5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869? Maybe a couple of years ago, but not any more. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110230760513 No, I'm saying that piece on Ebay that claims to be a piece of NWA 869 looks from that photo to be something highly weathered and highly rotten-- the type of rotten junk sold (or attempted to be sold) in bulk lots at 5 or 10 cents a gram even now. I don't think that I'd pay a dollar for the slice. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '869?
Hi Starting price was $0.99. I've seen a lot worse from reputable dealers. Some has sold pure crap on Ebay. That is just for squeezing a few bucks out of something that ought to be in the waste bin. Sad, but money talks. Lasse Darren Garrison skrev: On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: 5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869? Maybe a couple of years ago, but not any more. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110230760513 No, I'm saying that piece on Ebay that claims to be a piece of NWA 869 looks from that photo to be something highly weathered and highly rotten-- the type of rotten junk sold (or attempted to be sold) in bulk lots at 5 or 10 cents a gram even now. I don't think that I'd pay a dollar for the slice. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to this subject
Hi Don and all I am a collector with a tight budget, but I would still not buy a speck that only is identifyable buy the card that follows it. I would rather save money and buy a small piece or an individual. I agree that as long as the tiny speck is waste from cutting it's OK, but how do we know that it is? The price per gram for a tiny speck is often a lot higher than a bigger piece. It might not be for all, but I've seen this quite often. Regards Lasse Don Merchant wrote: Hi List. My thoughts on specks with a little funny story about them. I realize not every collector out that has unlimited funds and so many collectors with budgets and families alike have just so much to spend on their treasured specimens. Lets face it meteorite collecting can be very addicting and can get many collectors in a financial bind if not careful, much like the out of control compulsive gambler so to speak. With so many available meteorites to choose from and in many different sizes and weights as well as new finds every year, this can make any collector especially the novice, feel like a kid walking into a candy store for the first time! I think it is fantastic that dealers like Mike Farmer, Greg Hupe, Mike Cottingham, Dean Bessy and others can offer small milligram size meteorites for what I feel is the majority of collectors with budgets out there. I take my hat off to these men as they have open up a new world to meteorites and collecting that 10 years or so ago was unheard of. Specks..I agree with others that to own a piece of a super rare hard to acquire meteorite especially under a budget that sometimes that speck in one's collection can look like a boulder! Is that Speck really the type of meteorite that was said it is? I always felt that buying from top name dealers was the safest way to go because as Mike Farmer said money is not the issue. When your at that level of the game as a dealer, selling false type specks is not even in ones vocabulary. There will always be cutting losses when cutting meteorites Period. So why not sell those cutting losses to collectors who can't afford say the 1/4-3/4 gram of ultra rare sub type of whatever meteorite. Not everyone can own a 1943 copper penny but give me a steel 1943 penny to put in my collection and I'm happy. I have made a habit over the years of only buying from a certain group of dealers and if I run into something that catches my eye from a non-regular dealer I will do my homework before I buy. Most specks will never get that huge price tag. It is true in meteorites that bigger is better or simply put you get what you pay for. I prefer to say I buy what I can reasonably afford. Forgive me List but I always look at a piece of meteorite I buy as what I would be able to get back on it for resale. I say this because of my last statement "bigger is better" and maybe I cannot afford that 1/2 gram of rare meteorite today but I will buy a 1/4 gram of it and then later catch a deal on that 1/2 gram and sell my 1/4 gram to "step up" so to speak. Ok I'm rambling on. My speck story.I remember years ago when I started out collecting meteorites and of course with family and all, I was under a microscope watched eye budget by my wife! I really wanted a Martian meteorite so I could brag to myself and friends that I had an actual piece of stone from the Planet Mars. I'll never forget when my speck came in the mail, of course bought from a famous well known dealer (I did my homework) and I could hardly contain my self as I opened up the package! I don't know about many of you List members out there but I have this habit of removing the specimen from the gem case into my own brand new gem case, gem jar whatever you want to call it and then into my collection cabinet. Well, I am in my office and all ready to make this delicate surgeon type transfer. I have gone to great lengths to make sure all goes smoothly. No FANS are on, door in office is closed, 1,000,000 candle light of light power is on! My first though looking into the gem jar was, DAMN that sure is a speck!! I have to admit I was somewhat disappointed BUT, I had a piece of MARS right in front of me and so I'm easily pleased! I continue on to making the transfer by ever so gently opening up the gem jar cap. BOING That #%$!&%#$#%!#^!%$# speck sprung out of that DAMN gem jar like a Martian on a Mission back to MARS! The fibers on the felt pad actually acted as a spring board when I relieved the pressure of the gem case cap! The speck fell on the thick carpet below (I think) which was my next problem and mistake. I searched for that DAMN speck for over an hour! It NEVER made it to my collection! I couldn't believe that I could be more disappointed then when I first saw the speck in the gem jar as I was on my hands and knees searching for it on/in the carpet, but I was! That's when I knew I loved meteorite collecting and never looked back
Re: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to this subject
Hi all Personally I don't like specks or micro mounts, at least the ones with a small tiny something that requires a microscope to see what it is, and then the only thing you see its an unrecognizeable fragment. I think it's useless to buy a tiny fragment of a meteorite if you cannot see what it is or identify it (if it's a 3, 5 or 6 type etc.) or perhaps use it as a reference when id-ying other finds. Somehow I feel that selling and providing specks are dangerous because it can, as several already has mentioned here, result in valuable meteorites being totally destroyed out of pure greed. regards Lasse __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on "not the best place to hunt meteorites" thread
Hi Michael It's pretty difficult to analyze a small pebble like that. 5 mm does not leave much room for a slice or even to see any internal structures. The only thing is to grind one side and hope there is at least one nice chondrule. But still, it's a nice small one. Have you found any confirmed meteorites with your magnets? Regards Lasse Hi Lasse, List No, not a confirmed meteorite as I just found it this morning, and as stated, it is not authenticated. It is small, about 3/16" at the longest. Still, I got a little pleasure out of finding it. Sorry the picture is not the best when taken through the scope. I wanted to post the picture hoping it would inspire others thinking about the magnet hunting method for their special terrain and area. I guess I would like to think by posting the information on magnet hunting the other day that I have in some way helped the enthusiast who really would like to be able to hunt in his/her area but who lives in the "not the best place to hunt meteorites". Hope that makes sense. All the best, Mike __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: 2008-02-22 18:39 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on "not the best place to hunt meteorites" thread
Hi Michael Nice find. It is a confirmed meteorite? It looks quite small, what's the size? regards Lasse Michael Murray skrev: Hi List I wanted to follow up on the "not the best place to hunt meteorites" thread with a couple pictures of my latest find, found today using the magnet hunting techniques I talked about. BTW, I got my inspiration for this hunting method from the articles in O. Richard Norton's books where he covers H. H. Nininger's career. I certainly don't take any credit for the idea of hunting with magnets. I have simply added some of my own ingredients into the recipe, so-to-speak. Anyway, here is what appears to me to be a small stony with quite a bit of its fusion crust still intact. I don't know what the bright, almost grass-green material is that I can see in it but it is really pretty when seen through the m-scope. Again, not authenticated. Michael Murray micro-hunter of southwest Colorado http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/2008_s5.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/2008_s4.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/2008_s3.jpg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1294 - Release Date: 2008-02-22 18:39 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How many are there
Hi all There is one question that I have tried to find answer to and that is: How many meteorites are there waiting to be found? Iv'e asked this question in other forums but never got a straight answer. Probably because no one knows.. ;o) Thats understandable. But purely theoretical. How many meteorites fell to earth each year? One number that is mentioned is that it's estimated that some 5-6000 meteorites over 100 gram or 80.000 meteorites over 10 gram do fell each year over the whole Earth. That's a significant number, but spread out over the whole planet, it's very little per square mile. Wilson made a search on 4 square miles sometime in the 50:ies. He found 159 meteorites. I do not know how he performed this search, but I reckon he used metal detectors and magnets that were very much inferior with todays. He might not even have bothered to search below the surface for small ones and only took the ones he saw and those that were detected by his MD, if he was usinf one. If we were to do the same search today in the same area, with the best tools that we got, I wonder how many additional meteories that we would find? My question is, how many meteories can we expect if we count in all the small ones down to 1 gram in the total. If the statistics hold for meteorites as in many other things, the amount will significantly increase the smaller the stones are. This is an interesting question especially for us that does not live in a dry desert area or have the means or money to travel there a few times each year. If that number is high enough, it might be worth while to search with magnets in an area were meteories never get to be older than maybe 500 years... regards Lasse __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "not the best place to hunt meteorites"
Thanks Mike It's no problem that the magnets should attract each other and cause collisions. Mine is very strong and will sit tightly on the metal bar with 140 lbs pressure. Sideways they are quite weak. I also secure them with duck tape. Not so much to secure them, but as a pure protection against wear and tear. It's an interesting complement tool to metal detectors and properly used it can surely vacuum the surface of meteorites, at least the ones with metal content. We have to find a way to hunt those that are non-metallic. That's a challenge... Regards Lasse Michael Murray skrev: Hi Lasse, List Very nice rake. I had something like that in mind before my magnets arrived. Once in hand though, I lost my nerve to place them so close to each other. It was just real spooky and so i rethought the design and the divided wing setup you see in the picture won out. You may have worked it out on yours though and so not the worry. I should explain why i use the magnets right down on the ground and how that works. Having them ride right down on the top of the ground doesn't really mean they are actually dragging along. In the first few seconds they are moving, small gravels have already attached themselves to the bottom of the magnets. The magnet actually is riding up on top of these stones. So you will normally see the magnets about a 1/2" off the ground. As you continue to move the magnet, those same small stones that have collected underneath start to work their way to the trailing edge, up the edge and finally up on top of the magnet. They will ride up there as long as you do not let the magnet slap on the ground real hard which may dislodge some of them. I usually drag the cane or the rake until I see that the magnets just simply can't hold anymore magnetized material on top. Then I stop and clean it off and go again. One important thing to note about cleaning the magnets off is that you can pick up some very sharp nasty little things like fish hooks. One would be well advised to wear gloves during this cleaning off part, and then you want to be a little careful. I even found a cactus thorn mixed in with the small rocks when cleaning off the cane on time. It took a while for that to quit hurting. I am glad to know there are others out there with the same ideas for hunting. Thanks for sharing the picture of the rake. I hope you have great success and find some really cool stones. All the Best Mike in CO __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "not the best place to hunt meteorites"
Thanks Dave Well, unfortunalty I haven't built it yet, I'm still waiting for those magnets to arrive. But I will as soon as I got them. The problem is for me is that I live in a temperate, humid, climate region with lot of vegetation, plenty of farmlands and a region that has been populated by humans the last 10.000 years. Any meteorite on the ground will either be run over, buried under tons of buildning material or ploughed down by farmers. There has also been an extensive use of man made gravel for land fillings. This gravel is loaded with magnetite. One stroke over the ground and the magnet looks like a porcupine with magnetite fragments... ;o) Still, it's the only possible way to legally use a tool except your eyes. Here in Sweden we need a permit from the local authorities to use a metal detector. That's a tough law. That means that you can get caught by using one to find your lost keys on your own front lawn. Sounds rediculus, but that's the truth. It has everything to do withg protection of archaelogical treasures. The only possible areas to use the magnets are on crop fields after the harvest and grasslands. regards Lasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: Interesting, Lasse. Have you used this with any success, and, if so, what sorts of areas have you been hunting? Great stuff... Dave __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What doesn't this list use an online forum format?
Hi all I've been using forums since they were mailing lists and a part of the BBS way back in ancient times in the 80:ies. Mailing lists are great since they allow you to read an answer in piece at home. They were great when most people had phone dial modems. Today, when we are graphically spoiled by nice looking forums and less people have phone dial modems, at least here in Europe, they tend to overtake the mailing lists. If that is good or bad, I let the user deside. But online forums have one benefit over mailing lists and that is, unless the forum structure is bad, it's easier to follow threads and like Gary said it's a lot nicer to see all those beautiful images. But other than that, it's the information och people sharing their experoience and knowledge that is the most important thing. For me they can both coexist. I like them both... Regards Lasse __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "not the best place to hunt meteorites"
Hi Michael and all We have had quite a lot of discussion about neodymium magnets for hunting on Skyrock Cafe. Some of the members there have used that method for some time. It does work quite well. In have a neo on a monopod stick with 40 kg pull force. But I was not satisfied with this solution because the chance to miss that little chondrite or iron is too big when using just one small magnet, so I desided to make a rake like you have done. This rake is bit larger and have wheels for easier pull and to keep the magnets off ground so they won't wear down too much or the duck tape that protects them. This is a 3D drawing of my Neo Meteorite catcher... ;o) It's slightly modified the wheeled rake by using five 4 inch neo magnets with 140 lbs pull force. That allows me to cover just over 2 feet search area at the same time. http://www.swedbird.com/meteorite/met_mag.jpg Regards Lasse Michael Murray skrev: Hi List, (This is somewhat of a rehash of information I have posted before) If the meteorite hunting bug has landed on your shoulder but you think the area you live in is not the best for finding meteorites, you should give my hunting method a try. You could be pleasantly surprised at what you come up with. I went to a local hardware store a few years back and purchased a shop magnet cane. It has a wooden handle about 40 inches long with a ring magnet on the bottom that is sandwiched in between two plates of steel. I also purchased a couple 2" x 2" x 7mm neodymium iron boron sugermagnets which I placed very carefully side by side on the trailing edge of the bottom steel plate. Please note: If you attempt this beware, strong magnets like that can injure your fingers quite easily. Use plenty of caution. I put the cane in a vise so it could not move before attempting to place the first magnet on. The second magnet was a bit harder to get into place until it got close enough to the first one. I have drug my magnet cane all over the place, mostly wherever there are gravels. I have not had any of my finds substantiated by experts. None-the-less I have come up with some very possible "suspect" stones. Some are what I believe are irons and some stonys. A couple suspect stonys I found in dirt not gravels. This is what leaves me to believe that even if you might not think hunting in your area would be very good, you may still find that the magnet will find them anyway. The smaller objects falling to earth most likely will not penetrate very deep into the soil when they hit. Some not at all if the surface is somewhat hard. Erosion can also expose them over time. I live in an area where a river cuts its way through the valley. I have found that the river gravels contain quite a few of what I term "suspect" stones. I suppose the reason for this is that in time, due to constant washing from snow runoff and forceful rains, a lot of small material finds its way into the river, including meteorites. It takes a little time spent looking close at local rocks to get to where you can pick the unusual out from the rest with any certainty. Of course, if you live in an area with very few rocks, anything you pick up might be worth investigating. After I have drug the magnets for a bit, I clean off anything that has stuck to them into a fine mesh (window) screen sitting down in a gold pan. I put water in the pan so it covers the material. I then wash the materials vigorously in order to get rid of the dirt and fines, which are usually magnetite. Then I screen the material again through a 1/4" mesh screen. That lets me look at similar sized pieces less than 1/4" by themselves, and then also those larger than 1/4" that have been separated by the screen by themselves. I will keep some water in the gold pan with the smaller material and do what is known in the gold panning world as a blueberry bounce. That moves the heavy material to the one side of the pan and lets me see any iron or metal fairly easily as otherwise those pieces might remain buried under other lighter weight stones. Then I can pass a strong refrigerator magnet barely above the rocks and pull out almost all the bigger magnetite and iron pieces. I place the stuff that that small magnet collects onto a small paper plate and examine them for possible suspect stones before tossing them. (kind of like gold panning, you don't want to throw out a nugget) Then I will drain and let all the stones in the gold pan dry completely. Once dry, I once again do the blueberry bounce technique and look over the material closely again using my low-power m-scope. A hand lens, field microscope, or illuminated magnifier all work but the low-power microscope has been the easiest on my vision when used for any length of time. I also spend time closely examining the rest of the material in the pan because stonys don't always move with the heavier materials. Once I find a suspect stone, I pul
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: The SkyRock Cafe
Hi Dave, Joe and all I'm a quite new member of Skyrock cafe. I joined a few months ago. I'm pretty new to meteorite hunting and collecting. Skyrock cafe was, and is, a perfect place for me to learn and to share my thought, ideas and show my collection. I have been met with respect in a friendly enviroment at Skyrock. We feel like one big familiy and many of us that are really active are quite new to the hobbie and eager to learn. We have also knowlegeable members, both hunters and collectors among us that willingly share their knowledge in a friendly way. Some of us like the email based Meteorite List and some of us like the online forum better. Both has something to give. I'm pretty sure that Joe did not mean to be disrespectful , but is a bit tired of people that question the existence of Skyrock cafe. If I was presented by a new forum, my first thought would be, How nice, I'll check it out. It would not be, What does it doing unique or otherwise different than the met list? Skyrock Cafe is a very nice place no matter what others say. Kind regards Lasse Sweden Darryl Pitt skrev: joe, you were respectfully asked a fair question---and in response you refer to the questioner as "a jackass""a disrespectful jerk"? it feels as if you misinterpreted the sincerity of what was being asked. you may also wish to become reacquainted with the notion of "laid back." On Feb 17, 2008, at 10:48 PM, Joe Kerchner wrote: Dave, I am (The SkyRock Cafe is) offering other topics of interest, Also a forum to ID stones found while hunting, you can show of hunting finds rites or wrongs, you can ask questions with out being belittled by people like you. A few members started out on my site and have now found authentic meteorites, one in Brazil and one in Australia. and a few in Az. What do you offer? beside talking shit? Many people compliment me about the SkyRock Cafe, it is only about once every 6 months I have a jack ass like you trying to bring it down. Why would you even ask me a question like that? We have many active members, some who are there everyday, many more are there a few times a week. So if you do not want to join than just stay away, we will not miss you, One thing that is not aloud on the forum that always goes on here on the list are people like you who say things which are meant to disrespect another meteorite collector/hunter, we have a laid back atmosphere where you do not need to worry about being disrespected by jerks like you, that is what the SkyRock Cafe offers that the list does not. Best, Joe Kerchner The SkyRock Cafe Admin On Feb 16, 2008 12:39 PM, Dave Gheesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Joe, What are you doing unique or otherwise different than the met list with your forum? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Kerchner Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:33 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The SkyRock Cafe Hello Listees, I just wanted to take a second to invite everyone to join us at The SkyRock Cafe meteorite Forum. If it has been a while since you have visited us, you might want to take the time to take re-visit us. We now have over 120 active members. We have been around since September 2006 and are not going anywhere anytime soon. We have had a spike in traffic in the past couple months, we currently get over 225 visits on an average day. http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1285 - Release Date: 2008-02-18 05:50 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
