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From: M Yousef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] highly weathered chondrites: Reduction Spheres


> Dear Elton;
> I thank you very much for your analysis.
> Is there any quick test that can at least narrow the possibilities? I can
> for example apply dilluted HCl, measure the melting temperature, I can
also
> (if you think it is worth it) have it tested by x-ray diffraction.
> Also, if you (or anyone in the list) like I can send you small samples.
> Maybe you will change your mind after seeing the real rock, because the
the
> photos, though not bad quality, but they dont reviel everything. I also
had
> to reduce the quality and dimentions of the photos because of large file
> size.
>
> >I'd like to know how hard the pellets are and are they easily dislodged
> >from the matrix.
>
> Yes they can be easily dislogged but as you go inside towards the upper
side
> that was not in the soil they become very hard and cannt be separated from
> the bulk.
>
>
>
> Sincerely
>
> Mohamed H. Yousef
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> >From: "E.L. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: M Yousef
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >CC: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Mark Miconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] highly weathered chondrites: Reduction
> >Spheres
> >Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 08:12:51 -0500
> >
> >  Hello Listees,
> >
> >I was impressed with the quality of the photos and the
discussion/questions
> >  Mohamed posed.  We who are fortunate to have a fair amount of reference
> >materials/specimens/ experience/etc., immediately recognized that the
> >specimen was not likely meteoritic. However , if one were to consider the
> >literature alone regarding the definitions of chondrites, I , myself,
could
> >call this a chondrite. So I can see how this rock could be easily
mistaken
> >for a meteorite on first glance.
> >
> >But having had a few years of experience, I thought this was a probably a
> >sediment product; either what is essentially a concretion on the micro
> >scale, or silica gel--(not quartz) or what I  settled on is a "reduction
> >sphere"*-- possibly a sulfate or carbonate akin to Alum, for example.
In
> >any case  this is an interesting rock.  I'd like to know how hard the
> >pellets are and are they easily dislodged from the matrix.  I suspect
also
> >that the soil is highly alkaline where this was found.
> >
> >If  one is going to hunt for meteorites, this situation emphasises the
> >value in putting together a small collection of micro specimens for
gaining
> >experience and having something to compare unknown specimens to.
> >Fortunately, the availability of African meteorites make this within most
> >budgets.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Elton
> >
> >* Reduction Sphere: A white, leached, spheroidal mass produced in reddish
> >or brownish sandstone by a localized reducing environment, commonly
> >surrounding an organic nucleus or a pebble and ranging in size from
poorly
> >defined specks to a large perfectly round sphere more then 10 inches (25
> >cm) in diameter--McGraw-Hill "Dictionary of Geology and Mineralogy" pg.
237
> >
> >In red-ox chemistry, reduction is a flow of molecules (electrons
actually)
> >to form new compounds.  In geochemistry in this case it is a "post
> >depositional"  clumping of non crystaline  compounds which are marginally
> >soluible in water (hence, leeched ) in an oxygen- deprived environment.
> >Like the mica mineral, glacounite,  the molecules in solution tend to
clump
> >around detris such as fish or krill fecal pellets as they precipitate
from
> >the surface into the cold, oxygen-deprived depths. In this example the
> >clumping occurs long after deposition in a weathering process.
> >
> >
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