Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY
Hi Mark, I am thinking that perhaps there are interpretative rules that may vary from country to country. At least here in Italy and a little more generally in Europe, a certificate is an important document and as such its value can only be given if it is drawn up by a person or body legally responsible for doing so. If everyone could draw up any certificate on their own, it certainly would no longer have the same value. In the specific case you write "In this case the seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the meteorite he is selling." In this case the document cannot define a certificate but rather a self-certification or rather a self-declaration, which are very different things. At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote: I guess I am just not understanding how the word "certificate' is misrepresenting anything. I am not sure where the text you copied came from or how it relates, but the word certificate is appropriate when a specific entity is formally stating something. In this case, the seller is "certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite they are selling. It is correct usage.  The cards I use don't actually say "certificate of authenticity" on them  but when customers ask about a "COA" I know what they are talking about and don't see anything wrong with the term. They clearly know that it is the seller, and not some other entity, making the claim that the item is authentic, so there is no problem of confusion of what it means. Regarding the issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller, times change. It could be that at one point people might have found the term weird, but for new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of a purchase. If they asked for one and you said "I don't provide those, but I have a label" that would indicate to them a lack of seriousness. The difference is that the term "label" doesn't imply that the seller is vouching for the authenticity of something -- and although it is true the owner would be responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for it or not, there is really no downside to vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some piece of mind to have a document providing provenance in which the seller stated that the item was genuine. But if you don't like the term certificate of authenticity, don't use it on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that there is anything incorrect or dishonest or unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you personally. On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list <<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: Dear friends, I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller. .. Significato della parola âCERTIFICATOâ :   In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto, terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato, indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.)   <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato>https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE":   In summary, it can be said that the certificate is a certificate of conformity (issued with respect to a specified specification, there is no generic certification) issued by a subject, third party and authorized (qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.) -- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. <https://www.avast.com/antivirus>https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Meteorite-list mailing list <mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY
Dear friends, I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller. .. Significato della parola CERTIFICATO : In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto, terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato, indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE": In summary, it can be said that the certificate is a certificate of conformity (issued with respect to a specified specification, there is no generic certification) issued by a subject, third party and authorized (qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.) -- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY
Some sell meteorites with a CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY document, maybe I'm wrong, but a "CERTIFICATION OF AUTHENTICITY" document shouldn't be issued only by a specific body that is legally recognized? Such as GIA, IGI, HRD for diamonds? A simple WARRANTY DOCUMENT is no longer appropriate for meteorites? -- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New jewelry made in Venice
New jewelry made in Venice Italy: http://bottegadangolo.com/perledistelle.aspx?idC=218 Greetings to all Maurizio Eltri --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] manufacturing "shooting stars"
Lately I use a part of my free time (still too little), manufacturing "shooting stars". Seriously, I believe that these can be useful for disclosure this branch of astronomy and maybe cause someone to go into that. the ornaments are made of varnished wood and contain a small fragment of a meteorite, similar to those that colliding with the Earth's atmosphere produce the phenomenon of meteors and those as bright as the brightest stars which can be seen in the sky. http://www.meteoriti.info/foto/meteora2013.htm Cheers Maurizio Eltri Venice, Italy http://www.meteoriti.info/index.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Phil Plait "Bad Astronomy" Article - Chelyabinsk Parent Body
Hi Listees, -I apologize for the automatic translation of the letter- I'm certainly not an expert in the field and probably for this reason, I can not understand what 'I believe to be an inconsistency between the work done by the authors (C. de la Fuente Marcos, R. de la Fuente Marcos) and some mineralogical analysis obtained by researchers Russian Academy of Sciences. The latter showed that the rocks constituents the meteorites falling in Chelyabinsk, have an age 'exposure to cosmic radiation of 31 million years. While in the article in question, the two researchers say that the asteroids probably belonging, as the source, to the same group which was part of the meteoroid Chelyabinsk, for reasons related to the gravitational perturbations exerted by Mars, Venus, Ceres and the Earth-Moon system, can not 'be more' old 2 or 4 years. I would be inclined to think that a meteoroid of about 15 meters in 31 million years has been subjected to so many actions both perturbative gravitational and non-gravitational, which today would be very unlikely to be able to identify the asteroid progenitor. Perhaps the only alternative would be to assume that the impact suffered by the asteroid 31 million years ago ancestor of the meteoroid Chelyabinsk, was such as to have only brought to the surface of the asteroid itself rocks of the meteoroid. Or maybe not? Maurizio Eltri At 03:02 10/08/2013, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi Listees, An article by Phil Plait regarding the parent body of the Chelyabinsk meteorite Link : http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/08/08/chelyabinsk_meteor_astronomers_trace_it_back_to_a_potential_parent_asteroid.html#article_comment_box Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger number
I have a specimen of Cannon Dialo, Coconino County, Arizona, number 346088 The specimen on the left: http://www.meteoriti.info/La%20Collezione/Canon%20D/canondiablo.htm Greetings to all Maurizio Eltri http://www.meteoriti.info/index.html At 13:49 05/08/2013, Derek Yoost wrote: I just got a CD with the number 34.5478. Does anybody know if this is a Nininger number? If it is, then is there a catalog that I can get with that piece in it? I would like to know more about this piece. Thanks in advance, Derek. Thanks, Derek. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk inclusions
I had also thought about the rust, but they are not liquid, in fact they are pretty tough, but I can scratch them with the tip of a needle. Thanks Maurizio Eltri At 15:15 26/04/2013, plagiok...@arcor.de wrote: Hello, this is rust. Small rust patches can also be shiny. Sometimes these shiny spots contain some water and are still wet. This is a sign of continously rusting. sincerely plagioklas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk inclusions
Hello to all. I have a small Chelyabinsk specimen composed mainly of impact melt, which shows small inclusions in the surface of glassy appearance and red color. does anyone know what they are? <http://www.astrovenezia.net/2013_storia/Chelyabinsk_esemplari_eltri_1.jpg>http://www.astrovenezia.net/2013_storia/Chelyabinsk_esemplari_eltri_1.jpg (Photographed area measuring about five millimeters in width). Maurizio Eltri http://www.meteoriti.info/index.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Videos on meteorites
Greetings to all, for those who know the Italian language, I have done some videos on meteorites, for the purpose of an elementary disclosure. Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3vad0vtZQU&list=UUfCPuWCcqD5v8Qer-MajhUw&index=4&feature=plcp Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=banW4BoO1zs&list=UUfCPuWCcqD5v8Qer-MajhUw&index=3&feature=plcp Part Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8geiCifJOQ&list=UUfCPuWCcqD5v8Qer-MajhUw&index=2&feature=plcp Part Four: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeyX7Dsq5po&list=UUfCPuWCcqD5v8Qer-MajhUw&index=1&feature=plcp Sincerely Maurizio Eltri __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Videos on meteorites
Greetings to all, for those who know the Italian language, I have done some videos on meteorites, for the purpose of an elementary disclosure. Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3vad0vtZQU&list=UUfCPuWCcqD5v8Qer-MajhUw&index=4&feature=plcp Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3vad0vtZQU&list=UUfCPuWCcqD5v8Qer-MajhUw&index=4&feature=plcp Part Three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8geiCifJOQ&list=UUfCPuWCcqD5v8Qer-MajhUw&index=2&feature=plcp Part Four: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeyX7Dsq5po&list=UUfCPuWCcqD5v8Qer-MajhUw&index=1&feature=plcp Sincerely Maurizio Eltri __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball over Croatia on 27 December 2011, at 02:24 T.U.
I filmed the fireball near the horizon from Venice Italy. http://meteore.uai.it/b2011/b2011_12.htm I would like know if there are other observations. Tanks Maurizio Eltri __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Are these meteorites???
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Meteorite-NWA-non-classee-Chondrite-10-kilo-/190341349386?_trksid=p4340.m8&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D8%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4614107719323363349 Maurizio Eltri __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Sikhote Alin
Also my SA participating to the birthday http://www.meteoriti.info/La%20Collezione/Sikhote%20Alin/sikhotealin.htm Maurizio Eltri Italy At 20.04 12/02/2011, Gary Fujihara wrote: Rockin' the meteorite world since February 12, 1947 ... ... and not looking a millennia over 4.5 billion years old! http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/SikhoteAlin-264a.jpg Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Craters in Moldova
Hi all, I think I have identified three craters in Ungheni,Moldova. 1) Lat 47.218593 Lon 27.813529 2) Lat 47.217739 Lon 27.814197 3) Lat 47.218184 Lon 27.814959 Try to locate them with Google Earth. Meteoritic origin? Maurizio Eltri http://www.meteoriti.info/foto/meteora.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] "METEORA" ornaments are on sale now
After much work, some "METEORA" ornaments are on sale now: http://shop.ebay.it/castore66/m.html Some details can be found here: http://www.meteoriti.info/foto/meteora.htm Greetings from Venice, Italy Maurizio Eltri __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ornament for fans of meteors and meteorites
I still have to decide, I think 60 or 70 euro each. Maurizio At 22.27 12/11/2010, Gary Fujihara wrote: Maurizio, what do you plan to sell this ornament for? gary On Nov 12, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Maurizio Eltri wrote: > Hi all, > I think it is an ornament for people that enjoy > the Hobby of meteors and meteorites. > http://www.meteoriti.info/foto/meteora.htm > I am finishing the preparation of some specimens > that I will put on sale on ebay in a few days. > Will advise on the list. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ornament for fans of meteors and meteorites
Hi all, I think it is an ornament for people that enjoy the Hobby of meteors and meteorites. http://www.meteoriti.info/foto/meteora.htm I am finishing the preparation of some specimens that I will put on sale on ebay in a few days. Will advise on the list. Greetings to all Maurizio Eltri Italy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new site on meteorites
Hi, with pleasure I inform you of my new site about the meteorites, unfortunately only in Italian language at present: http://www.meteoriti.info/ A greeting to all Maurizio __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sorry, only meteors, no meteorites
Perseids meteor shower 2005: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3EtMSOMts Geminids meteor shower 2005: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xAj8FWo7NI Regards to all Maurizio Eltri __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Info on Sikhote Alin's shrapnel
Hi all, I ask to those who are more experienced than me,clarification about Sikhote Alin's splinters formation. In my opinion there can be two ways to justify the origin of the fragments found in the vicinity of the largest craters, 1) The kinetic energy released at the contact surfaces of meteorite/ground was enough to melt the frontlayer of the meteorite with the subsequent violent expulsion of fragments, fused or partially fused. 2) Having the meteorites reached the retardation point at only 5 km of altitude, they would arrived at an impact with their hot surfaces, this would facilitate the expulsion of splinters. I apologize for my bad English. Maurizio Eltri __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I looking for Sikhote Alin
I would like to buy a good price, small and large pieces of Sikhote Alin regmagliptized. Answer me privately. Thanks Maurizio Eltri maurizio.el...@libero.it __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites holograms
Considering that I'm not expert in holograms, I wonder, if anyone has taken into consideration to get good holograms done of rare or famous meteorites? Maurizio __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Rubble pile asteroids
If possible, I would be pleased to get your opinions about my hypothesis concerning the possible structure of some asteroids. My idea is following : I formulated this hypothesis after observing a fireball which occurred during the 12th of August, 1998, during the maximum activity of perseids: its apparent magnitude was comparable to that of the moon during the first quarter, and it was observed throughout almost all of Italy as well as Croatia. After analyzing the trajectory, I am sure I can assert that this fireball didn't belong to the perseids meteor shower. What struck me were not only its great luminosity and its chromatic properties, but, above all, probably depending on being in the right position of observation, was that beginning from the central part of its trajectory and going on for many degrees, its nucleus seemed to be constituted by five or six very bright and separate spots. This probably implies that the fragmentation process began in the very high atmosphere, and this could give many relevant informations about its structure that can be summarized mainly in two points: 1.a non-aerodynamic shaped meteoroid, or one with fractures that started its fragmentation process, from the highest part of the atmosphere, and after its fragments should have acquired such an aerodynamic shape by an ablation process so as better to resist atmospheric friction. 2. the meteoroid was most likely made of a rocky conglomerate, as a sort of ordinary chondritic material kept together by a friable and lighter material probably of cometary origin, I suppose it was porous and carbonaceous. By the means of the last hypothesis, even if it is not so easy to show, we can explain the meteoroid fragmentation in the upper atmosphere in terms of the disruption of the friable parts (such as soft clay minerals which hold the somewhat harder material together) by attrition, and only the most resisting parts can survive and reach the lower regions of the atmosphere and maybe impact on the Earth. What is interesting is that if such asteroids do exist, they may be generated by a sort of soft anaelastic collision between an outgassed cometary nucleus and an asteroid. After this collision, an accretion process would make these rocky fragments stick together. Greetings, Maurizio Eltri. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
