Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Well said, Mike!

From my point of view there is nothing that should/could be added to 
your comment.


BTW: I do respect Abdelfattah as beeing a honest and trustworthy person.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

On 14/07/2013 12:35 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:

Hi List,

Well said Graham.  I feel the same way.  I think it's pretty obvious
when viewing offers from overseas wholesalers and hunters, which ones
are legit.  Abdelfattah is known to many members on this List, and so
are many other Moroccan dealers and wholesalers.  In fact, the legit
Moroccan wholesalers have probably handled many more meteorites and
meteorwrongs than most Western collectors or dealers.  A experienced
eye can spot features that may hint at what the petrologic type is.  I
think almost anyone can look at a highly-equilibrated chondrite and
tell that it's a type 5, L or H.  Plentiful chondrules showing through
the matrix or outer surface hints at a type 3.  Glossy, slick crust -
probably an achondrite.

How many times has a collector or dealer bought a stone at an
unclassified chondrite price, only to win the "Moroccan Lottery" and
score a planetary or other rare type.  It's part of the game and the
market, although it happens less frequently now because the hunters
and wholesalers are more savvy now and can spot promising meteorites
that may be a rare type.

Self-pairing is rampant in the meteorite world.  How much of the TONS
of NWA 869 on the market has been classified?  How about those little
Nantan and Campo "crystals"?  Are those analyzed by a lab?  I could
point out a respected dealer right now who is self-pairing everything
from OC's to planetaries.  I won't do it, because he's one of the most
reliable and nicest dealers around.  And, I respect his judgement.
Apparently there is no problem with it, because nobody ever brings it
up and he's a long-time member of the IMCA.

The enforcement of the unspoken rule against self-pairing is arbitrary
and mean-spirited at times.  If we are going to drag Abdelfattah
across the fire for offering a self-paired ureilite, then open the
floodgates and crucify everyone who is doing it.  Half of the dealers
out there have self-paired at one time or another - maybe more than
that.  I don't endorse that and I do not agree with that practice, but
it's a reality of the market and we turn a blind eye to some dealers
for doing it while we call out others in public.  It's not
even-handed.

Blaine Reed is now enduring a crapstorm of revenge because he stood up
for the integrity of the market - frankly, that is something the IMCA
could have done.  It shouldn't have been up to Blaine to go out on his
own dime and take up the cause of authenticity.  Blaine now has an
enemy for life because of his stand against self-pairing or
self-classifications.  Steve Curry got himself convicted of a criminal
charge for doing something that is not different than what many List
members do on a regular basis - they are just given a pass because
they are well-known to most collectors and the material they are
self-pairing is obvious unimportant meteorites like Campo and NWA 869.

All of this discussion and insults could have been avoided if either :
Abdelfattah had offered his stone as a "possible ureilite" or
"possible achondrite", but also made it clear that the stone is still
officially unclassified.  Perhaps it was a language barrier at work
here.  Or, if we had treated his offer like the hundreds or thousands
of others that are similar - here is my suspected meteorite, here are
some photos of it, and contact me if you want to buy it.  Nothing to
get bent out of shape about.

If Abdelfattah stands behind his material, then there is no issue.  If
he sells something as a ureilite, and it turns out to be something
else, then a good dealer will stand behind that deal and offer to buy
back the stone or send a refund.  That is the nature of the business.
There is no need to insult the man for it.

I have seen some Moroccans on Facebook offering some obvious
meteorwrongs for sale as meteorites and they are quite pushy about it
sometimes.  Abdelfattah is not one of those dealers.  A measure of
good judgement and experience with the market comes into play here.
Newbies and people who haven't done their homework shouldn't be
purchasing specimens unseen from overseas sources.  Period.

Best regards and الصيد سعيد,

MikeG


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[meteorite-list] RENAMING OF NWA 5435 L4-5 (prov.) TO NWA 3999 (prov.) IN MET. BUL.

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Dear Friends and Custumers,

due to a typo at the Nom.Com. quite some confusion has arisen about the 
NWA 5435.


This number was assigned to Ray Pickard for ROCKS ON FIRE by Dr. 
Caroline Smith on 18-09-2008 as provisional number NWA 5435, but was 
deleted from the database 3 Mar 2012 by J. Grossman with no explanation 
mentioned to us and no replacement number offered at that time.


This problem has now been solved with the help of Jeff Grossman in a 
swift way - Fabian Kunz keeps the (later) assigned number NWA 5435 for 
his Brachinite, as it is already as official listed in the database, and 
we agreed to change our listings for our L4-5 Chondrite to NWA 3999.


Thanks Jeff and all others involved, mistakes can happen.

So we now added the following information for our customers to our 
website, and ask owners of our 'NWA 5435' now NWA 3999 to please contact 
us so that we can issue a new label for their specimen:



NWA 3999 L4-5 (prov.) New Breccicated Chondrite, S2, W2

PLEASE NOTE: THIS METEORITE WAS PREVIOUSLY ADVERTISED AND SOLD BY US AS 
NWA 5435 L4-5 (prov.). THIS LATE NAME CHANGE WAS REQUIRED AS THE NOM. 
COM. OF THE METEORITICAL SOCIETY DID A TYPING MISTAKE IN THEIR DATABASE 
WHEN THEY ISSUED A NEW NAME FOR A BRACHINITE BY USING OUR ASSIGNED NWA 
5435 INSTEAD OF NWA6435.


OUR NUMBER WAS THEN DELETED WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE, AND AFTER A FAIR BIT 
OF CORRESPONDENCE AND GOOD WILL ON BOTH SIDES WE GOT NOW THIS NEW NUMBER 
NWA 3999 ISSUED.


WE APOLOGISE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED.


I hope that I have not caused more confusion and that the meteorite 
finally gets official statement.



Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
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[meteorite-list] AD: Low Aussie dollar = Cheaper MURCHISON CM2

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

G'Day Folks,

you may like to have a look at our Aussie dollar priced MURCHISON CM2's.

With the Australian currency now way below the U.S. Dollar it may be 
just the time to catch a bargain!


Have a browse here:
> http://www.rocksonfire.com/Murchison-met.htm

Enjoy, and thanks for your attention.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420

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Re: [meteorite-list] [!! SPAM] Henbury meteor craters

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Thanks for sharing memories of good old days, Patrick.

These days most of the vegetation has been destroyed by wild roaming camels.
Also the last good sized meteorites have been harvested about 2 - 3 km 
from the craters by quadbike pulled metaldetectors (remember the YouTube 
videos http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w  - it does not show up 
any more these days).


Where these the nice new Henbury's shown in Munich this years?
http://www.strufe.net/0334af9a5a0cf8e1d/0334af9e24108a702/0334af9e241099907/index.php

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
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www.rocksonfire.com


On 23/11/2010 4:15 PM, Patrick Wiggins wrote:

Images from a trip many years ago to Northern Territory, Australia's Henbury 
meteor craters:

http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/HMCAPR88.HTML

patrick
N Utah USA
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Re: [meteorite-list] [!! SPAM] Kamil Crater New Video

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Thanks for sharing this.

Very enjoyable. Wished I was there.

Congratulations for a mission accomplished superb!

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

On 9/11/2010 10:07 PM, py...@libero.it wrote:

http://www.zerzuraclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=120%
3Ail-kamil-crater&catid=35&Itemid=72


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[meteorite-list] ROCKS ON FIRE - full mailbox solved

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

 Hello friends,

the settings on my new computer had been changed without my knowledge 
which resulted in a filled up mailbox.
For some of you this meant that your email to us has bounced back. This 
problem is now solved.

We humbly apologise for any inconvenience caused.

Please try again contacting us.
Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 8, 2010

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

 WOW, what a beauty!!!

Congratulations to this acquisition.

Everybody, follow the link and you are even more impressed.


Cheers, and best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

On 8/08/2010 12:02 PM, Michael Johnson wrote:

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_8_2010.html




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[meteorite-list] ROCKS ON FIRE's Computer Crashes

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

 Hello dear meteorite friends and loyal customers,

during the last weeks we experienced several computer crashes which 
severely affected our email communication.
During the few times in between the crashes we learned that we have no 
recollection of some emails you've sent.
Our sincere apologies if we have not replied to one of your emails, we 
are working hard to get our main computer out of intensive care, 
repaired and missing files recovered.
At this time we are just working from our little netbook. It is all very 
frustrating.


Please do not see us being rude for not answering your mail, we hope 
that we are soon fully functional again.


Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
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[meteorite-list] AD: Big 6.3 kg HENBURY Individual on ebay now

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hello List,

don't let this one go away: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250639328150


A beaut regmaglypted and cleaned Henbury Individual. Hard to get at this 
size these days and at a fixed price of just US $ 5.200.00 for 6,335 g 
incl. FREE Express Post International shipping!


Thanks for looking, and best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

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[meteorite-list] AD - ROCKS ON FIRE on-line again

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Dear valued customers and friends, and all those who like value for 
their money!


Just a short note that our website */www.rocksonfire.com// /* is up and 
running again after a shut-down for our annual vacation.

Please drop in and have a browse - it is worth it!

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420

P.S.: My apologies if this email has been posted before, I didn't see it.
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[meteorite-list] TEST - IGNORE

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[meteorite-list] test - ignore

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[meteorite-list] Christian Anger

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Mit Erschuetterung haben wir von Christian's ploetzlichem und viel zu 
fruehem Ableben erfahren.
Wir haben einen guten Freund verloren, er wird in unserer Gemeinschaft 
sehr vermisst werden.


Christian, Deiner Familie, der nahen und erweiterten Verwandtschaft 
sowie allen Freunden und Bekannten moechten wir hiermit unser 
aufrichtiges Beleid bekunden.
Moege unser Herrgott allen Trost und Kraft verleihen, ueber diesen so 
tragischen Verlust hinweg zu kommen.


Wir werden uns gern an unser Treffen in Muenchen erinnern.

Mit ganz lieben Gruessen von der anderen Seite des Globus', aus 
Melbourne, Australien,



Norbert und Heike Kammel
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[meteorite-list] Merry Christmas!

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

We like to thank all our dear friends and valued customers
for the true friendship and trust you have bestowed upon us all these 
years.


We are wishing you all *
*


 *a very Merry Christmas and*


 *a Happy and Prosperous New Year 2010!*

*
**Norbert & Heike Kammel
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[meteorite-list] Contact info for Rico R. Mettler

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Can somebody please help me to find a way to get in contact with *Rico 
R. Mettler, IMCA # 0152*.

Off list please!

Thanks a lot, and best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hi Greg,

good luck with meteorite hunting here Down-Under. I have to mention our 
stringent laws in this matter, but you may just find an odd looking 'rock'?


The dry lakes you notice on GoogleEarth nearly all of them are dry salt 
lakes. You must be very lucky to find a just freshly fallen rock, 
otherwise it would be crusted with salt crystals - not to recognize and 
destroyed by the salt. That is just my bit of experience.
But there are surely some smaller clay pans, certainly worth to have a 
look at.
May be you find a nice flanged button tektite? They are exempt from the 
otherwise required export permit!


Anyway, have a nice time here in Australia.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

Greg Stanley wrote:

List:

The company I work for is doing a project in Australia and I'm coordinating the 
placement of some of our instruments.  As I looked at the map in GoogleEarth, I 
notice (what looks like dry lakes) throughout the country; does anyone look for 
meteorites on dry lakes in Australia?

Greg S.
 		 	   		  
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Australian fall

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

The fall actually happened in 2007, Meteoritical Bulletin:  MB 95 
 .

I heard of it in February this year.
The location  is between Mundrabilla and Cook 001. Coordinates are  31° 
21.0'S, 129° 11.4'E, that means 168.6 km east of Mundrabilla and 170.9 
km south west of cook 001.

Unfortunately no fragments have been available for collectors.

Cheers, and best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420


Matt Morgan wrote:

Looks like a nice eucrite. Similar to Camel Donga.
Matt
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Lakewood, CO 80215 USA

-Original Message-
From: Darren Garrison 

Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:51:04 
To: 

Subject: [meteorite-list] New Australian fall


http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/rare-snapshot-of-solar-systems-dawn-20090918-fvcl.html

Rare snapshot of solar system's dawn
DEBORAH SMITH SCIENCE EDITOR
September 19, 2009

CAMERAS set up in outback Australia to track fireballs across the night sky have
led scientists to a rare meteorite formed at the dawn of the solar system.

The fiery streak it made on descent allowed them not only to pinpoint where it
would fall on the vast Nullarbor Plain, but also work out where it had come
from.

Three fragments of the meteorite, the biggest the size of a cricket ball, were
found within 100 metres of the predicted landing site, Alex Bevan, head of earth
and planetary science at the Western Australian Museum, said. ''That is
incredible accuracy.''

Dr Bevan said the Nullarbor desert was chosen for a new fireball observatory
because of its pale limestone colour. ''Most meteorites are dark so they
contrast well with the local rock.''

Dubbed Bunburra Rockhole after a nearby landmark, the meteorite was found on the
first day of searching by the international team, which includes researchers
from the Perth museum and CSIRO.

Meteorites are among the most studied rocks on Earth, the team leader, Philip
Bland, of the Imperial College in London, said. ''But it's really rare for us to
be able to tell where they came from.''

Based on its unusual basalt composition and trajectory, the researchers believe
the Nullarbor meteorite was once part of an asteroid in the innermost side of
the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, until a collision chipped it off
millions of years ago.

It then moved into an orbit around the sun similar to that of Earth, before
plummeting to the ground on July 20, 2007.

Weighing about 22 kilograms when it began its fiery descent at an altitude of 60
kilometres, only fragments of less than 200 grams were left when it hit.

''We're cautiously optimistic that this find could be the first of many, and if
that happens, each find may give us more clues about how the solar system
began,'' Dr Bland, whose team's study was published yesterday in the journal
Science, said.

Asteroids in the innermost belt are thought to have formed near the sun and
consist of the same material from which the earth was made.

The fireball observatory consists of a network of four cameras that take a
single time-lapse picture every night to track any shooting stars, and complex
mathematics is required to determine a meteorite's original orbit.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Dealers, Sellers: Please INSURE your shipments

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Aloha Gary, G'Day List,

in the interest of the buyer, to avoid paying high import duties, we 
hardly state the correct contents (we state iron meteorites as 'native 
iron specimens) and declare a much lesser value, so the customer does 
not have to pay import tax.
But that is a dual agreement between us and the customer. We recommend 
to insure, and if the customer refuses this, the package will be sent at 
his/her own risk.


The sellers duty of care is generally fulfilled with lodging a well 
packed parcel at the post office. The customer knows the risk for not 
paying the additional money for insurance and for declaring a lesser 
value for the contents.


Throughout our time of business we lost three packages, and in all cases 
we sent replacements at the same or better value at no costs for the 
customer.
It may be a little too much asked for if the value is several thousand 
dollars. :-\

Please also keep in mind that to some destinations it cannot be insured for.

In the interest of our business we will always endeavour to keep our 
customers satisfied and are very proud of our unblemished reputation.


These are just our thoughts in this matter.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com



Gary Fujihara wrote:

Aloha,

I have been the victim of theft after discovering that over $1600 
worth of meteorites were missing from a shipment I received from 
Argentina.  I had noticed the package felt light, but discovered that 
the US postal service is not responsible for thefts of the contents of 
international mailed items that are not insured.  This shipment was 
not insured and so I will in all likelihood take the full brunt of 
this loss.


Thievery by customs officials, foreign and domestic postal workers and 
other individuals or organized groups inside and outside the US is a 
possibility!  I believe most packages arrive at their destinations 
with their contents intact, but feel it is negligent and at the very 
least unconscionable not to insure shipments at or above the full 
value of the contents.  I know it costs more to do so, but please 
consider insurance especially for foreign shipments.  Mailing specimen 
cards and paperwork separately from the meteorites can also prevent 
thieves from knowing what those "Mineral Samples" are.


Is it fair for me, the buyer to take the loss alone for this theft?  I 
personally don't think so, unless I was given a choice and elected not 
to insure.  I would hope that the seller (an IMCA member who, to his 
credit is working with me) would have a sudden rush of conscience and 
compensate, or share the loss with me, since his act of omission 
provides me with little if any recourse.  What are my rights, and what 
can I do?  Do other dealers insure their shipments?  What is SOP?


Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com
http://astroday.net

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Re: [meteorite-list] Richard Norton

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

With deep sadness we received your message of Richard's passing away.
Words cannot describe the sorrow, all of us feel.
But our thoughts go out to Dorothy, and may the Lord comfort her in this 
hard time of such an enormous loss.


What a pioneer Richard was! He will be greatly missed also by all of us 
from the meteorite collectors community.


Our deepest condolence to Dorothy.


From Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

impact...@aol.com wrote:

Hello List-Members,

Late last night I received a very sad email from Dorothy Norton.

Richard Norton passed away last week, after a long illness.

I had known fot quite some time that Richard was in poor health, still the 
news of his death came as a shock. Last time I called Dorothy, I heard piano 
playing in the background, Chopin and very good, I thought it was a CD 
playing or the radio, but Dorothy told me it was Richard, and we stopped a 
moment to listen, it was beautiful, I had no idea Richard was such a virtuoso.
I had met Richard and Dorothy several years ago in Tucson, Thanks to Twink. 
I was very much a new comer then , and I found Richard to be bright, 
friendly, funny and so approchable. I still remember showing him a slice of 
Tafassasset, he looked at it with his loupe for quite a while, then told me that 
this meteorite left him speechless. Dorothy laughed, apparently Richard was 
rarely speechless.


And now there is that great big hole in the middle of the Meteorite 
Community.


Please read the obituary written by Dorothy and Joel Schiff:   
http://www.impactika.com/rnorton.doc


I do know that Dorothy reads the List, so feel free to send her a message 
this way. Or, if you prefer, I'll be glad to relay your private message to 
her.

Thank you.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
impact...@aol.com
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http://www.imca.cc/
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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hello List,

I am turning 66 in May this year, officially pensioner since last year 
and dealing and wheeling in 'Rocks on Fire', meteorites, impactites, 
olivine bombs and opals.
Before that I was an architect (with a German diploma, Dipl.Ing.) with 
our former State Government Public Works Department, designing schools.
Now I am enjoying my meteorites, our beautiful Australian Outback (one 
eye on the ground - one eye in the sky), and my gorgeous 17 month old 
grand daughter.


Norbert Kammel
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Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote:

Hello List,

as we communicate frequently through the List, I sometimes think about what is 
your job ?

The meteorites are what we share in common but most of you are not meteorite 
dealers. So I thought it could be cool to know a little bit more from each 
other.

So I start ;-)
I'm 38, live west of Paris (France) and am Project Manager on TV for Orange 
(telecommunications company)

Pierre-Marie Pele
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[meteorite-list] AD: LOW Aussie Dollar - your gain. Golden October Sale!

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Hello Folks,

This sounds quite crazy, but *_until Oct. 31st_ we are going to sell all 
items on our website marked in US $ in _Aussie Dollars_!* Yes, this is 
an *enormous saving* for you in the States,  Europe and most other 
countries, except Australia, sorry Mate's!


Just now the *exchange rates* are:
*1.00 AUD = 0.602242 USD* and *1.00 AUD = 0.482952 EUR*
That is for you folks in Europe less than half price!

So what is stopping you? Go, have a browse at  *www.rocksonfire.com*  
and send your orders. First chimed in, first served. And PayPal only!
You can *calculate your shipping cost* by clicking the *Australia Post 
Logo* on our website.
Our apologies to those of you who miss out, because others were faster 
or they didn't read their meteorite list emails.


Let the stampede begin!

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[meteorite-list] OT: Looking for Canyon Diablo Babies 3-5g

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hello Folks,

I am looking for about 1/2 kg of Canyon Diablo Babies @ 3-5g.
Anyone who can supply me with some please contact me off list.

My appologies for the spam.

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[meteorite-list] 85 kg Cranbourne Iron recovered

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Hello List,

I just like to inform you that a new piece , 85 kg, of the Cranbourne 
Iron Meteorite from Victoria, Australia, has been recovered.

For the local farmers now 'the rush is on' again.
http://www.cranbourneleader.com.au/article/2008/08/13/41154_csv_news.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] impact craters of N.A., S.A., Africa, Europe, Australia and Asia completed

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Thanks for this info, Dirk.

There are quite a few Aussie craters I have not known of until now.
I will have a nice google search on a few to see if they would be 
accessable to me and not too far away, considering the the fuel costs 
for getting there.

You well deserve a nice clap on your back for a job well done.
Thanks a lot for your efforts, Mate!

Best regards from Down-Under,

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drtanuki wrote:

Dear List,
  I hve completed what pages and entries for impact craters that I can for the 
the above areas.  Please have a look.  The pages will be updated as time 
permits with corrections and more additions.

 If you have a confirmed crater that you would like added please ask.  If you 
notice any corrections needed, please let me know off-list.

  Thank you.  In the short future I will add a page on how to use Google Earth 
as a search tool for impact crater hunting.

BEST ALWAYS, DIRK ROSS...TOKYO

http://meteoritesjapan.com/africacraters.aspx

http://meteoritesjapan.com/asiacraters.aspx

http://meteoritesjapan.com/aussicraters.aspx


http://meteoritesjapan.com/eurocraters.aspx

http://meteoritesjapan.com/SAcraters.aspx


http://meteoritesjapan.com/nortecraters.aspx


  THESE FIVE PAGES REPRESENT OVER ONE WEEK`S WORK, PLEASE ENJOY!

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[meteorite-list] Precious Campo del Cielo sold by carat

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hello Folks,

I know that meteorites are rarer than gold, but do we really now have to 
sell them per carat?


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/3-x-Meteorite-Campo-del-Cielo-122-25-ct_W0QQitemZ130243211308QQihZ003QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Just wondering  :-\ .

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Re: [meteorite-list] New Toluca scam on ebay

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hi Mike and all,

a friend of mine brought me a piece of that material as a gift when he 
was in Mexico early this year, being told it is a Toluca.
It certainly aint Toluca and no meteorite. That stuff seems to be quite 
common in the Toluca area.


Folks, better buy from those you trust!
If Mike is selling Toluca, it IS Toluca!

Just my 5 Aussie Cents,

Norbert Kammel
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Michael Farmer wrote:

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/bandedgila_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ

Take a look at this guy, selling piles of Magnetite as Toluca meteorites.
I am concerned because they do resemble meteorites to the lesser informed and I have lots of Toluca for sale. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite hunting in Western Australia

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hi Goeran,

unfortunately the laws governing the ownership of meteorites in 
Australia are quite different in each of our States and Territories.


In Western Australia when you find a _meteorite_ it belongs to the State 
and you should hand it in at the Perth museum,
but I assume that quite a few people have found interesting looking 
_rocks_ (perhaps looking and feeling quite what others consider being 
meteorites), but as not being an expert, these people just pic it up as 
interesting rocks and keep them, what is quite legal.  However, it would 
be an offense if they  later sell these _rocks_ as  Australian 
_meteorites_. You know what I mean?
I guess that's where most of the Millbillillie's come from. However, for 
a lot of Australian meteorites which are adequately represented in 
Australian institutions you will get a letter of clearance from the 
museum. These blokes are not too bad at all, but they also have to abide 
to the rules and police the law.


So, Mate, I assume you will _not go meteorite hunting_ but _go out 
fossicking for unusual rocks_. And I hope you'll find some really nice 
one's.
And if you find on this trip some new and really interesting meteorites, 
even martian or some from Venus etc. please leave them where you saw 
them so that others will have the same pleasure as you. Or not. :-\


All the very best Goeran, hope you have a great time. And take care out 
there.


Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
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Göran Axelsson wrote:

Hi and thanks for the answer!

I was aware of the export laws and had no intention of bringing any 
meteorite back home without permit. But that it belongs to the 
government in WA was a surprise.
How could there be so many Millbillillies around with that law? Is it 
a new interpretation or a new law?


If (big if) I would find a meteorite where should I leave it?

I just want to test my luck and finally find a meteorite myself, if it 
ends up in a museum that is fine with me.


I still have a few days before I go out in the wild... well, I decided 
to not stray too far out from the main roads, it should be enough 
round to cover for this vacation anyhow.


/Goran

Norbert & Heike Kammel wrote:

Hi Goeran/List,

just a quick note to remind you that Federal laws protect meteorites 
found in Australia and it is an offence to export one without a 
permit. *In Western Australia and South Australia legislation means 
that meteorites are the property of the Government and must be lodged 
with an appropriate Museum.* In other States, the finder is able to 
keep a meteorite.
Also please keep in mind that the areas are VERY remote and not so 
easy accessable.
It is advisable to travel at least with two relyable 4WD's, one 
driver experienced in Outback travelling.
Even though it is now winter time and often rainy carry enough water 
and food in case you get bogged. Also a SatPhone or HF Radio would be 
adviseable to carry.
The better fields are more east from Kalgoolie, like the Camel Donga 
strewnfield, in the Nullarbor Plain.


Anyway, Welcome to Australia, and have a great time.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420

Göran Axelsson wrote:

Hi list!

I'm currently sitting 50 meters from the Indian Ocean and planning 
my vacation in Australia. In about a week I will have a lot of free 
time and I wanted to spend one week hunting for meteorites here in 
western Australia.
I know that I probably can't bring any stones back home but I still 
want to hunt.


Is there any good places to hunt between Perth and Kalgoorlie or in 
that area?

Any other places in Western Australia that I should visit?

Is there any description of the meteorite field in Camel Donga? That 
is an area I would like to spend a couple of days in.


Any other tips for me?

Apart from meteorite hunting, I'm invited to a wedding and I'm going 
to hunt for gold so I have my metal detector with me.


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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite hunting in Western Australia

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hi Goeran/List,

just a quick note to remind you that Federal laws protect meteorites 
found in Australia and it is an offence to export one without a permit. 
*In Western Australia and South Australia legislation means that 
meteorites are the property of the Government and must be lodged with an 
appropriate Museum.* In other States, the finder is able to keep a 
meteorite.
Also please keep in mind that the areas are VERY remote and not so easy 
accessable.
It is advisable to travel at least with two relyable 4WD's, one driver 
experienced in Outback travelling.
Even though it is now winter time and often rainy carry enough water and 
food in case you get bogged. Also a SatPhone or HF Radio would be 
adviseable to carry.
The better fields are more east from Kalgoolie, like the Camel Donga 
strewnfield, in the Nullarbor Plain.


Anyway, Welcome to Australia, and have a great time.

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420

Göran Axelsson wrote:

Hi list!

I'm currently sitting 50 meters from the Indian Ocean and planning my 
vacation in Australia. In about a week I will have a lot of free time 
and I wanted to spend one week hunting for meteorites here in western 
Australia.
I know that I probably can't bring any stones back home but I still 
want to hunt.


Is there any good places to hunt between Perth and Kalgoorlie or in 
that area?

Any other places in Western Australia that I should visit?

Is there any description of the meteorite field in Camel Donga? That 
is an area I would like to spend a couple of days in.


Any other tips for me?

Apart from meteorite hunting, I'm invited to a wedding and I'm going 
to hunt for gold so I have my metal detector with me.


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[meteorite-list] AD: 30.47g TATAHOUINE ebay auction ending within 10 hrs

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hello Folks,

if you are still interested in acquiering a big (museum) sized 
TATAHOUINE ADIO, bigger than 10g is basolutely rare and BIG  for a 
'Tata', you have got less than 10 1/2 hrs to get this one on ebay.

/http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250213342002&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=015/

Thanks for looking, and good luck!

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[meteorite-list] AD: Large TATAHOUINE (ADIO) 30.47g on eBay now!

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hello List,

we are offering today one of the largest Tatahouine available, a 
whopping 30.47g, on eBay with Buy-it-now option.

Have a look and enjoy:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ozzi-BIG-and-RARE-Meteorite-TATAHOUINE-ADIO-30-47g_W0QQitemZ250213342002QQihZ015QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Check for more Tata's and other beauties our website at: 
http://www.rocksonfire.com/select-met.htm


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[meteorite-list] ??? LUNAR METEORITE OLIVINE GABBRO 190 GRAM PIECE NICE!

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hello Folks,

can any of you scientific orientated members shed a bit of light onto 
all this high-tech description, please?


I am just wondering ,why such an important and valuable find *'over 
11,150 lbs !' , $$ MILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth $$ !

***has not officially been analyzed and a prov. name assigned to.

Am I missing something? Is there no press release on this one?
And: Mike where were you? ;-)

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Re: [meteorite-list] The Bavarian Carancas ;-)

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Thanks for making my day, Martin.

Just hilarious! Sorry for all you folks who cannot read German, and I am 
just an old lazy buggar with not the knowledge of the English lingo.


Cheers to all, and best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
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Martin Altmann wrote:

http://www.mineralienfreunde.de/archiv/09andechs.html

12 years ago.

Martin

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[meteorite-list] AD: Re: Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - October 3, 2007

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

The BIGGEST Tatahouine's are still up for grabs!
http://www.rocksonfire.com/select-met.htm

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[meteorite-list] Chaco-Argentina-Sahara-Chondrite-Meteorite

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Dear Meteorite Friends,

just have a look at this one, but don't fall out of your chair:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1576-Chaco-Argentina-Sahara-Chondrite-Meteorite-COA_W0QQitemZ220152743189QQihZ012QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  


And it comes with Certificate of Authenticity !!! ;-)

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Re: [meteorite-list] New Cali piece, and updated pages. Can't get Mike, sorry!

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Sorry List, I promise this is a once only, as all my e-mails seem to 
bounce at Mike's place.


*YES, MIKE, I WANT THE CAMPO COIN; AND IT'S PAID FOR VIA PAYPAL.*


Norbert Kammel
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Michael Farmer wrote:

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/califall/CALIcolombiafall.htm

I have updated the Cali webpages, the first page, then
new photos of Cali 001 and added Cali 008 page. 
Check it out, see the newest and 5th Cali Hammerstone,

this is the first time this piece has been seen.
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[meteorite-list] AD: Exceptional nice 1.16 kg HENBURY IIIA Individual still 'Buy-it-now' option !

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

G'Day Meteorite Friends,

our 1.16 kg exceptional nice, regmaglypted HENBURY IIIA Individual is 
still for grabs by 'Buy-it-now' option !
Don't miss this chance. Pieces like this one are very hard to get these 
days !

http://members.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=rocksonfire
Also the 13.41 g TATAHOUINE (ADIO) has still this option .
And _the prices are Aussie dollars_, still quite a bit cheaper than US 
dollars.


Thanks for your attention, and have a nice day!
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[meteorite-list] AD.: ROCKS ON FIRE website disruptions

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Dear meteorite friends and customers,

please accept our apologies for current disruptions when logging onto 
our website */www.rocksonfire.com/* at the moment.
We are getting transferred to another server and have to upload the 
whole site again.
I am sure that by tomorrow we are back as usual, and you can enjoy a 
browse again.


Thanks for your patience, and have a nice day!
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[meteorite-list] AD.: RARE and BIG Tatahouine's for sale!

[Norbert & Heike Kammel]

Hello Meteorite Friends,

well, here my very first ad to the list:

I have the pleasure to offer you some rare *BIG sized TATAHOUINE* (ADIO) 
meteorites for sale, the *biggest one 39.81 g* .
That is probably the biggest TATA available on the net at present. 
Tatahouine's > 10g count as a rarity for this observed fall, and as 
usual, our prices are very competitively marked.
Any orders or inquiries off-line please, any associated comments are 
welcomed.


Enjoy a browse at: http://www.rocksonfire.com/select-met.htm
(you may also like the rest of our website!)


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[meteorite-list] NAJARIT meteorite?

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Hello Folks,

has anyone of you ever heard of a meteorite fall at Najarit near Tepic 
in the State of Jalisco, Mexico?

Any info would be very much appreciated.

Best regards from winterly cold and wet Melbourne, Australia,

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