[meteorite-list] Fireball Movie Question
I just finished watching the documentary Fireball: Visitors From Darker Worlds by Werner Herzog on Apple TV. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. At one point, they're filming in Antarctica and the presenter finds what they say is the biggest meteorite of the year and that it is an exceptionally rare type. My question is, does anyone know what meteorite they found? If you don't know, can someone point me towards some information about the material found by the South Korean team over the years? Thanks in advance -rhett __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
As much as I trust a lot of people in the meteorite world, I do fully look at any rock that hasn't been analyzed as suspect unless the chain of ownership can be shown from the person who got the rock classified to my hands. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 2:07 PM Graham Ensor wrote: > just an addition...an example. > > Would people buy one of these Allende meteorites or similar from other > dealers pages which I think we are all pretty confident are Allende's...but > I'm pretty sure these were just fond in the same strewnfield and have not > been analysed to make sure. > > https://impactika.com/product/allende-carbonaceous/ > > Graham > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:46 PM Rhett Bourland > wrote: > >> Honestly, just because a meteorite is found in a known strewn field >> doesn't automatically make it part of the same fall. Twink Monrad found >> Golden Rule and Golden Mile in the Gold Basin strewn field. Calcalong >> Creek was originally sold as part of the Camel Donga strew field. NWA482 >> was originally thought to be a eucrite. The folks who go to Antarctica >> each year go back to the same areas to find more because of the way >> glaciers move. >> >> When talking about how not getting everything classified is bad for >> science, that isn't just about common material being sold as something much >> rarer. The real danger is rare and scientifically important pieces being >> sold as something more common. >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 10:22 AM Graham Ensor >> wrote: >> >>> I see no problem in anybody saying a probable meteorite is unclassified >>> but is likely to be a certain type. It is no different on line or throught >>> the met list than traveling through Morocco or visiting a show, looking at >>> hundreds of unclassified probable meteorites, and discussing the likelyhood >>> of that or what type they may be with the seller. That's the way many >>> dealers work to find unusual types that then get taken further to be >>> officially classified. I see no fault with a NWA seller working in this >>> way. The The fault comes if buyer does not then get it analysed or >>> classified and tries to sell it on as an authentic classified meteorite. >>> There are also thousands of meteorites amongst the hundreds of collections >>> that came through NWA dealers from established large strewnfields which sit >>> there as examples of a variety of falls/finds and have never been cut and >>> classified. Just found as part of a new fall/find as it's impossible for >>> every piece to be classifiedexamples are Chelyabinsk, Ribbeck, Erg >>> Chech 002, Tissint, Holbrook,...the list is endless. I suspect very few >>> collections consist of specimens where each individual has been classified >>> and most have individuals of those I've mentioned (or others) that have >>> never seen a scientist. If you are new to meteorites or have very little >>> experience then this is probably not the avenue for you to buy for a >>> collection unless you are happy to go to the trouble of getting analysis >>> done. >>> >>> G >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list < >>> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Educated guesses aren't classifications. Nobody can do that. I've got >>>> close to a couple hundred pieces in my collection that I've built up over >>>> the past 25 years. I own classes of meteorites that most museums don't >>>> even have because the museums that I got them from told me where the other >>>> pieces were. I can safely say that I have handled and seen even more in >>>> that time. The IMCA got started in my living room. I wouldn't even call >>>> something a meteorite unless it got tested. As Anne Black recently said, >>>> people guessing what they have and presenting it as such is nothing but >>>> harmful for the science and commercial trade of these rocks and that woman >>>> has seen and handled stuff that I can only dream of. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rhett, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Our North African meteorite family has earned the right to make >>>>> educated guesses, especially after they have proven themselves to be >>>>> reputable dealers AND have examined the specimen. They have handled far >>>>> more meteorites th
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
d. Experienced collectors, researchers and dealers > however are benefitting widely by getting the chance to buy unclassied > material that has been filtered through the experience of the hunters in > NWA, science benefits and so do dealers if they "discover" something new > and then have a huge mark up on the deal. > > I say again to the collectors here...look at your own collections and ask > yourselves if everything has been analysed to show it is what it is or if > it came as a batch from a big strewnfield where only one or two were worked > on to get the classification. have you got a Campo or an 869 or a > Chelyabinsk individual... is it just part of a batch or individually > analysed? Even those that collect historic specimens formerly from museums > know that specimens relesed from the museums are often individuals from a > batch which have not always been analysed or slices from such. Museums > often display such, many individual specimens that have never been cut. > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:46 PM Rhett Bourland > wrote: > >> Honestly, just because a meteorite is found in a known strewn field >> doesn't automatically make it part of the same fall. Twink Monrad found >> Golden Rule and Golden Mile in the Gold Basin strewn field. Calcalong >> Creek was originally sold as part of the Camel Donga strew field. NWA482 >> was originally thought to be a eucrite. The folks who go to Antarctica >> each year go back to the same areas to find more because of the way >> glaciers move. >> >> When talking about how not getting everything classified is bad for >> science, that isn't just about common material being sold as something much >> rarer. The real danger is rare and scientifically important pieces being >> sold as something more common. >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 10:22 AM Graham Ensor >> wrote: >> >>> I see no problem in anybody saying a probable meteorite is unclassified >>> but is likely to be a certain type. It is no different on line or throught >>> the met list than traveling through Morocco or visiting a show, looking at >>> hundreds of unclassified probable meteorites, and discussing the likelyhood >>> of that or what type they may be with the seller. That's the way many >>> dealers work to find unusual types that then get taken further to be >>> officially classified. I see no fault with a NWA seller working in this >>> way. The The fault comes if buyer does not then get it analysed or >>> classified and tries to sell it on as an authentic classified meteorite. >>> There are also thousands of meteorites amongst the hundreds of collections >>> that came through NWA dealers from established large strewnfields which sit >>> there as examples of a variety of falls/finds and have never been cut and >>> classified. Just found as part of a new fall/find as it's impossible for >>> every piece to be classifiedexamples are Chelyabinsk, Ribbeck, Erg >>> Chech 002, Tissint, Holbrook,...the list is endless. I suspect very few >>> collections consist of specimens where each individual has been classified >>> and most have individuals of those I've mentioned (or others) that have >>> never seen a scientist. If you are new to meteorites or have very little >>> experience then this is probably not the avenue for you to buy for a >>> collection unless you are happy to go to the trouble of getting analysis >>> done. >>> >>> G >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list < >>> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Educated guesses aren't classifications. Nobody can do that. I've got >>>> close to a couple hundred pieces in my collection that I've built up over >>>> the past 25 years. I own classes of meteorites that most museums don't >>>> even have because the museums that I got them from told me where the other >>>> pieces were. I can safely say that I have handled and seen even more in >>>> that time. The IMCA got started in my living room. I wouldn't even call >>>> something a meteorite unless it got tested. As Anne Black recently said, >>>> people guessing what they have and presenting it as such is nothing but >>>> harmful for the science and commercial trade of these rocks and that woman >>>> has seen and handled stuff that I can only dream of. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rhett, >>>>&
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
Did you hear that Alan? You need to take a hint from this guy! On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 11:19 AM Tomasz Jakubowski wrote: > Hello all, > now I know you have no idea about this area, most scientist who works with > meteoriets, use Thin Sections, or small slices/partsices, without seeing a > whole speciemn. Even if they make a classification still they see micro > scale on meteorites. What I can recommend you is to more learn how to > recognize meteorites than write stupid emails... > > Of course I fully respect Alan Rubin... > > All the best > Tomasz Jakubowskki > > Dnia 23 lipca 2024 17:13 Rhett Bourland > napisał(a): > > Alan Rubin said he gets over half of his visual guesses wrong. I guess > you're more talented than the man who literally wrote the book on meteorite > mineralogy. Congratulations. > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 10:00 AM Tomasz Jakubowski wrote: > > Hello all, > I have to disagree with you. As a geologist / collector / hunter / > scientist with around 23 years experience in recognize meteorites I can > easily tell a type for example CC, it is quite easy texture differences > between CC types like : chondrule size, matrix (vol%), chondrule (vol%), > CAI's (vol%), metal (vol%). IF we spoke about CO type, it is pretty easy > to say basis on chondrule size (CO is similar in chondrule size with CM, > but CM have more matrix and slightly larger chondrules, that is in general, > but 90% of collectors know differences between CM and CO on cut surface). > That is based on cut surface, but whole specimens also look different, if > we speak about NWA CO have characterised surfaces (especially if they are > slightly sandblasted). We don't speak about classification, because no one > writes NWA numbers. But commonly, recognizing a CO type is quite easy. I > was working in science and that is completely don't harmful for science > (harmful would be if someone would publish this in science paper, but that > would not be possible because of reviews done before publishing). > If you can't tell that something is a meteorite without a test, well that > is your private problem, but common, that is not a difficult. > > All the best > Tomasz Jakubowski > > Dnia 23 lipca 2024 15:31 Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> napisał(a): > > Educated guesses aren't classifications. Nobody can do that. I've got > close to a couple hundred pieces in my collection that I've built up over > the past 25 years. I own classes of meteorites that most museums don't > even have because the museums that I got them from told me where the other > pieces were. I can safely say that I have handled and seen even more in > that time. The IMCA got started in my living room. I wouldn't even call > something a meteorite unless it got tested. As Anne Black recently said, > people guessing what they have and presenting it as such is nothing but > harmful for the science and commercial trade of these rocks and that woman > has seen and handled stuff that I can only dream of. > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM wrote: > > Rhett, > > > > Our North African meteorite family has earned the right to make educated > guesses, especially after they have proven themselves to be reputable > dealers AND have examined the specimen. They have handled far more > meteorites than most dealers and collectors. There is no surprise that > they, and Mohamed in particular, can tell the difference between a CO and > another type of meteorite. Mohamed was fully transparent and clearly stated > that it is unclassified. There is nothing inauthentic about the posting. > > > > I have no ulterior motive in responding to this post other than desiring > respectful discourse. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Mendy > > > > *From:* Meteorite-list *On > Behalf Of *Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2024 9:53 AM > *To:* Benzaki Mohamed > *Cc:* Meteorite List > *Subject:* Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified > > > > It's unclassified and yet you're calling it a CO? That doesn't sound very > authentic to me. > > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 10:17 AM Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Hi all members hop have a good day. > > Everyone interested will be interested by a largeste co carbonaceous > unclassified please contacte me.all beste. > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
Honestly, just because a meteorite is found in a known strewn field doesn't automatically make it part of the same fall. Twink Monrad found Golden Rule and Golden Mile in the Gold Basin strewn field. Calcalong Creek was originally sold as part of the Camel Donga strew field. NWA482 was originally thought to be a eucrite. The folks who go to Antarctica each year go back to the same areas to find more because of the way glaciers move. When talking about how not getting everything classified is bad for science, that isn't just about common material being sold as something much rarer. The real danger is rare and scientifically important pieces being sold as something more common. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 10:22 AM Graham Ensor wrote: > I see no problem in anybody saying a probable meteorite is unclassified > but is likely to be a certain type. It is no different on line or throught > the met list than traveling through Morocco or visiting a show, looking at > hundreds of unclassified probable meteorites, and discussing the likelyhood > of that or what type they may be with the seller. That's the way many > dealers work to find unusual types that then get taken further to be > officially classified. I see no fault with a NWA seller working in this > way. The The fault comes if buyer does not then get it analysed or > classified and tries to sell it on as an authentic classified meteorite. > There are also thousands of meteorites amongst the hundreds of collections > that came through NWA dealers from established large strewnfields which sit > there as examples of a variety of falls/finds and have never been cut and > classified. Just found as part of a new fall/find as it's impossible for > every piece to be classifiedexamples are Chelyabinsk, Ribbeck, Erg > Chech 002, Tissint, Holbrook,...the list is endless. I suspect very few > collections consist of specimens where each individual has been classified > and most have individuals of those I've mentioned (or others) that have > never seen a scientist. If you are new to meteorites or have very little > experience then this is probably not the avenue for you to buy for a > collection unless you are happy to go to the trouble of getting analysis > done. > > G > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > >> Educated guesses aren't classifications. Nobody can do that. I've got >> close to a couple hundred pieces in my collection that I've built up over >> the past 25 years. I own classes of meteorites that most museums don't >> even have because the museums that I got them from told me where the other >> pieces were. I can safely say that I have handled and seen even more in >> that time. The IMCA got started in my living room. I wouldn't even call >> something a meteorite unless it got tested. As Anne Black recently said, >> people guessing what they have and presenting it as such is nothing but >> harmful for the science and commercial trade of these rocks and that woman >> has seen and handled stuff that I can only dream of. >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM wrote: >> >>> Rhett, >>> >>> >>> >>> Our North African meteorite family has earned the right to make educated >>> guesses, especially after they have proven themselves to be reputable >>> dealers AND have examined the specimen. They have handled far more >>> meteorites than most dealers and collectors. There is no surprise that >>> they, and Mohamed in particular, can tell the difference between a CO and >>> another type of meteorite. Mohamed was fully transparent and clearly stated >>> that it is unclassified. There is nothing inauthentic about the posting. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have no ulterior motive in responding to this post other than desiring >>> respectful discourse. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> >>> >>> Mendy >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Meteorite-list *On >>> Behalf Of *Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list >>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2024 9:53 AM >>> *To:* Benzaki Mohamed >>> *Cc:* Meteorite List >>> *Subject:* Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified >>> >>> >>> >>> It's unclassified and yet you're calling it a CO? That doesn't sound >>> very authentic to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 10:17 AM Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list < >>> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
Alan Rubin said he gets over half of his visual guesses wrong. I guess you're more talented than the man who literally wrote the book on meteorite mineralogy. Congratulations. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 10:00 AM Tomasz Jakubowski wrote: > Hello all, > I have to disagree with you. As a geologist / collector / hunter / > scientist with around 23 years experience in recognize meteorites I can > easily tell a type for example CC, it is quite easy texture differences > between CC types like : chondrule size, matrix (vol%), chondrule (vol%), > CAI's (vol%), metal (vol%). IF we spoke about CO type, it is pretty easy > to say basis on chondrule size (CO is similar in chondrule size with CM, > but CM have more matrix and slightly larger chondrules, that is in general, > but 90% of collectors know differences between CM and CO on cut surface). > That is based on cut surface, but whole specimens also look different, if > we speak about NWA CO have characterised surfaces (especially if they are > slightly sandblasted). We don't speak about classification, because no one > writes NWA numbers. But commonly, recognizing a CO type is quite easy. I > was working in science and that is completely don't harmful for science > (harmful would be if someone would publish this in science paper, but that > would not be possible because of reviews done before publishing). > If you can't tell that something is a meteorite without a test, well that > is your private problem, but common, that is not a difficult. > > All the best > Tomasz Jakubowski > > Dnia 23 lipca 2024 15:31 Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> napisał(a): > > Educated guesses aren't classifications. Nobody can do that. I've got > close to a couple hundred pieces in my collection that I've built up over > the past 25 years. I own classes of meteorites that most museums don't > even have because the museums that I got them from told me where the other > pieces were. I can safely say that I have handled and seen even more in > that time. The IMCA got started in my living room. I wouldn't even call > something a meteorite unless it got tested. As Anne Black recently said, > people guessing what they have and presenting it as such is nothing but > harmful for the science and commercial trade of these rocks and that woman > has seen and handled stuff that I can only dream of. > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM wrote: > > Rhett, > > > > Our North African meteorite family has earned the right to make educated > guesses, especially after they have proven themselves to be reputable > dealers AND have examined the specimen. They have handled far more > meteorites than most dealers and collectors. There is no surprise that > they, and Mohamed in particular, can tell the difference between a CO and > another type of meteorite. Mohamed was fully transparent and clearly stated > that it is unclassified. There is nothing inauthentic about the posting. > > > > I have no ulterior motive in responding to this post other than desiring > respectful discourse. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Mendy > > > > *From:* Meteorite-list *On > Behalf Of *Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2024 9:53 AM > *To:* Benzaki Mohamed > *Cc:* Meteorite List > *Subject:* Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified > > > > It's unclassified and yet you're calling it a CO? That doesn't sound very > authentic to me. > > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 10:17 AM Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Hi all members hop have a good day. > > Everyone interested will be interested by a largeste co carbonaceous > unclassified please contacte me.all beste. > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
Educated guesses aren't classifications. Nobody can do that. I've got close to a couple hundred pieces in my collection that I've built up over the past 25 years. I own classes of meteorites that most museums don't even have because the museums that I got them from told me where the other pieces were. I can safely say that I have handled and seen even more in that time. The IMCA got started in my living room. I wouldn't even call something a meteorite unless it got tested. As Anne Black recently said, people guessing what they have and presenting it as such is nothing but harmful for the science and commercial trade of these rocks and that woman has seen and handled stuff that I can only dream of. On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM wrote: > Rhett, > > > > Our North African meteorite family has earned the right to make educated > guesses, especially after they have proven themselves to be reputable > dealers AND have examined the specimen. They have handled far more > meteorites than most dealers and collectors. There is no surprise that > they, and Mohamed in particular, can tell the difference between a CO and > another type of meteorite. Mohamed was fully transparent and clearly stated > that it is unclassified. There is nothing inauthentic about the posting. > > > > I have no ulterior motive in responding to this post other than desiring > respectful discourse. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Mendy > > > > *From:* Meteorite-list *On > Behalf Of *Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2024 9:53 AM > *To:* Benzaki Mohamed > *Cc:* Meteorite List > *Subject:* Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified > > > > It's unclassified and yet you're calling it a CO? That doesn't sound very > authentic to me. > > > > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 10:17 AM Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list < > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Hi all members hop have a good day. > > Everyone interested will be interested by a largeste co carbonaceous > unclassified please contacte me.all beste. > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
It's unclassified and yet you're calling it a CO? That doesn't sound very authentic to me. On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 10:17 AM Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Hi all members hop have a good day. > Everyone interested will be interested by a largeste co carbonaceous > unclassified please contacte me.all beste. > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Nakhla Dog Meteorites - Important Texas Meteorite Collection
Kentucky is also home to Eagle Station which has its own Eagle Station pallasite subgroup and Burnwell which Tim McCoy at the Smithsonian has suggested that it be classified as an HH4 chondrite. There was no typo in that classification. http://www.geotimes.org/dec99/feature.html We've got horses. We've got bourbon. We've got weird meteorites. (and the two that I mentioned are in my own collection) On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, 11:37 PM Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Hello All > > > I have been fortunate to represent the meteorite collection of the > late Bruce Dod, former professor of Earth Sciences and Astronomy at > Wayland Baptist University. The man worked and lived in Plainview, > Texas and managed to amass some impossible specimens in both size and > rarity. A link to his collection can be found here: > > http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/dod.htm > > The site is photo heavy and the resolution has been kept to 72dpi, > please do not hesitate to contact me for alternate images, angles, > etc. > > A full bio on Dod along with his contributions to science is listed on > the web page. > > Of note, there is a piece from Kentucky, Monticello to be exact. This > meteorite is an absolute unicorn with zero distribution outside of the > repository specimen. It is the only howardite from Kentucky and the > find was nothing short of incredible: > > This was a "crustless" howardite found on the shore of Lake Cumberland > while out for a stroll with a friend. There are two prevailing > theories, one being that a water landing caused a sort of quench that > fractured the crust and the other is that the lapping of the waves > slowly ablated the crust away. To be walking around a lake, even with > meteorites on the mind, and cold finding such a rare type...I mean > think about it. The level of rock confusion, to spot and maintain that > this HAS to be a meteorite. Not just a chondrite, let's go with > howardite. It really is second to none and the perfect intersection of > preparedness and opportunity. Someone will own the only private piece > in the world. > > The collection will be open to preview and inquire for 10 days with an > option to offer on the entire collection. At the end of this period > prices will be assigned to individual pieces. > > I invite you to look even if not buying and I thank you for your time, > > > Rob Wesel > Nakhla Dog Meteorites > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites > www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 261, Issue 14
After reading this email, I would expect Mr. Mohamed to retract his previous email as it does not appear that his material has been authenticated by a proper researcher. Making claims about material that hasn't properly been identified is not something to be taken lightly and would be cause for concern to most collectors, self included. Rhett Bourland On Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 3:43 PM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Benzaki Mohamed, > Since you have never reached out to me about my classification, Nwa 15758 > CK6, I politely request that you do not use this name. I invested time and > resources into having it analyzed and if you wish to sell your material as > a named meteorite I suggest you do the same. Thank you in advance. > Jason > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 10:29 PM < > meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > >> Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to >> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> meteorite-list-ow...@meteoritecentral.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Meteorite Picture of the Day (p...@tucsonmeteorites.com) >>2. Meteorite carbon (Benzaki Mohamed) >>3. Very sad news (bernd.pa...@paulinet.de) >>4. Claims of Extrasolar Spherules from Pacific Ocean Site CNEOS >> 2014-01-08 Disputed (Paul) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 00:35:54 -0700 >> From: >> To: >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> Wednesday, Mar 13 2024 Meteorite Picture of the Day: Hamlet >> >> Contributed by: Anne Black >> >> http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=03/13/2024 >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 22:16:15 + >> From: Benzaki Mohamed >> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite carbon >> Message-ID: >> < >> cagzkz4-7hufr2n7mzy4hapufexcssju66gn+v9ajuxjkt8t...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all members liste , I have a nice carbonaceous Nwa 15758 CK6 paired >> ,if >> anyone interested please contacte me. >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://pairlist2.pair.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/attachments/20240311/7131a467/attachment-0001.htm >> > >> >> -- >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:48:20 +0100 (CET) >> From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de >> To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Very sad news >> Message-ID: <825781290.98647.1710366500...@www.ud-mail.de> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Dear List, >> >> It is my sad duty to inform you that John Blennert has passed away :-( >> >> John, rest in peace! >> >> Bernd >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://pairlist2.pair.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/attachments/20240313/b5109823/attachment-0001.htm >> > >> >> -- >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:16:00 -0500 >> From: Paul >> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Claims of Extrasolar Spherules from Pacific >> Ocean Site CNEOS 2014-01-08 Disputed >> Message-ID: <088038b3-ec22-4815-b8fc-d187f665a...@att.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >> >> Recently, a preprint has been posted to the arXiv site that >> >> disputes proposal that Be,La,U-rich spherules recovered form >> >> Pacific Ocean Site CNEOS 2014-01-0 are from an extrasolar >> >> origin. Instead, they argued to be microtektites of terrestrial >>
[meteorite-list] Burnwell addition
Earlier I stated the offer was only good until Noon tomorrow. That still stands but I must have payment in two week's time. Thanks again, Rhett __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Very special ad - Burnwell, KY
Hi everyone, I know I haven't been active in the meteorite community lately due to work and family obligations but I'm here today to raise a bit of money by selling one of the crown jewels of my collection; a 4.1g slice of Burnwell. For those of you unfamiliar with Burnwell, depending on where you read about it, it is classified as either an anomalous H4 or HH4. Yes, HH4. There is a total of one of these in the world and it hit a house in Burnwell, KY USAon September 4, 1990 and a total of around 3kg TKW. Almost all of this meteorite is in the Smithsonian. I say almost all of it because in 2001 I was lucky enough to be the only person to receive part of it (a little over 12g). I had it cut up and sold or traded most of it away to other collectors while keeping the largest portion of it for myself. This piece has beautiful dark crust on one edge as well as a Smithsonian number painted on it. There is NO weathering on it at all and it looks like a stone that fell yesterday. The many visible chondrules (some armored) are easy to spot and truth be told, I'm kind of surprised that this was classified as a HH4 and not an HH3. Other than cutting it has been treated by expert Jim Hartman to prevent any aging and has been in a membrane case for the past 5 years. I will also include the shipping papers from the Smithsonian so you can track the ownership from space to your door. To read more about how the Smithsonian obtained this meteorite read here http://www.agiweb.org/geotimes/dec99/feature.html For those of you wary of purchasing a meteorite from someone you may not know, check out the IMCA's site at http://imca.cc/insights/2006/IMCA-Insights01.htm to read about how I helped form the association. Put simply, this is the largest privately owned piece of an entire class of meteorite that has hit a house in America, has excellent pedigree, and is simply beautiful. How often does a chance like this come up? Asking price is $8,000. I'll pay for first class insured shipping to your door. If interested please feel free to call me at 812-484-8369 at any time or write back to me. This offer stands until noon March 15, 2007, Eastern Standard Time. Thank you for your time, Rhett Bourland __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] THANKS
His posts need my approval before they go out to the IMCA's mailing list because he was put on a sort of probation because of his past actions. He attempted to post a sales message to the IMCA's list despite the fact that such messages are prohibited and that message was blocked before it went out to everyone and he was subsequently removed for attempting to post a sales message. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Strope Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS Correct me if I am wrong but I think Rhett revoked Steve's posting privileges based upon the following statement: > "The purpose of the mailing list is to alert people of frauds > > Steve decided to post another one of his sales messages for the same old > > material to that list and as a result got removed from the mailing list but > > not the IMCA. However, I went back and looked at the past messages for the groups and it seems that Steve HAS NOT posted sales messages to the collectorsassociation group mailing list. Perhaps in the flood of sales updates to other mailing lists, Rhett thought they were coming from the collectors association :D~ Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: "magellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS > > Rhett, > I am really confused with this action so if I am out of line please correct me. > I just want to be sure that Mr. Arnold is indeed a racist because this is a very > serious charge > and now his reputation is sullied by making it public. > Racists slurs are very damaging and hurtful to the recipients. > They should not be tolerated. > However the intentions behind the slur are equally important. > ( Some Afro-Americans use the "n" word in friendship when addressing > each other but would not tolerate it from another race) > So, are you sure Mr. Arnold was trying to hurt the feelings of Matteo? > Are you sure Mr. Arnold is a racist? > Did Matteo contact him personally first to rectify matters? > Obviously Matteo must have contacted you at some time. > Did you contact Mr. Arnold privately to get his side of the matter? > Should Mr. Arnold be judged by rules that did not exist when the offense was > committed? > Why would IMCA be involved when this has nothing to do with meteorites or > meteorite sales? > Why has Mr. Arnold been banned from the IMCA group list when (according to my > e-mails) - HE HAS NEVER USED IT? NOT EVEN ONE POST!! > So is IMCA going to monitor posts on the LIST and put the big dealers on a > "sort of probation" when they get into " undue assaults or racial comments" > (I've read a lot worse than a racial slur- i.e. sexual slur) or is this just for > the little new people? > Do you think the same rules should apply to all members? > > If the IMCA is now going to concern itself with "relationships" as well as > "authenticity", > I'm concerned with its new direction and to what it might lead! > Did the majority of board members approve of this change? > I think this situation could have been handled privately without accusations > and without IMCA involvement. > But now it is public and the IMCA has opened itself to a possible slander > charge.. > I have found Mr. Arnold very open to suggestion. > He loves this group and I don't think he would intentionally hurt anyone. > I don't believe he is racist. > His lack of experience may irritate others, but none of us wants our "freeness > of speech" regulated. > I do not take Matteo's hurt feelings lightly unless he failed to contact Mr. > Arnold to straighten things out privately. > Rhettt, again if I am out of line, please correct me. (these are questions - > not flames) > Thanks, > Ken Newton > #9632 > > > > > Rhett Bourland wrote: > > > Actualy Walter, I think that Steve has confused this list with the mailing > > list for the IMCA. I am the one that has called him a racist because he > > made racist comments towards Matteo Chinellato after Matteo expressed > > discontent with getting Steve's multiple messages for the same material. If > > making racist comments towards someone isn't reason enough to call someone a > > racist I'm not sure what is. He almost got kicked out of the IMCA becaus
RE: [meteorite-list] THANKS
tever reasons, real or imagined. So what do you get out of all of this? The thought that somehow you may possibly be making a difference in this world and you also get to communicate with other people from around the world that share your love of meteorites. If anyone is able to handle all this and is willing to devote the time and energy that is needed then I invite you to attempt to get the same success I've had with the other directors of the IMCA in running this. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of magellon Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS Rhett, I am really confused with this action so if I am out of line please correct me. I just want to be sure that Mr. Arnold is indeed a racist because this is a very serious charge and now his reputation is sullied by making it public. Racists slurs are very damaging and hurtful to the recipients. They should not be tolerated. However the intentions behind the slur are equally important. ( Some Afro-Americans use the "n" word in friendship when addressing each other but would not tolerate it from another race) So, are you sure Mr. Arnold was trying to hurt the feelings of Matteo? Are you sure Mr. Arnold is a racist? Did Matteo contact him personally first to rectify matters? Obviously Matteo must have contacted you at some time. Did you contact Mr. Arnold privately to get his side of the matter? Should Mr. Arnold be judged by rules that did not exist when the offense was committed? Why would IMCA be involved when this has nothing to do with meteorites or meteorite sales? Why has Mr. Arnold been banned from the IMCA group list when (according to my e-mails) - HE HAS NEVER USED IT? NOT EVEN ONE POST!! So is IMCA going to monitor posts on the LIST and put the big dealers on a "sort of probation" when they get into " undue assaults or racial comments" (I've read a lot worse than a racial slur- i.e. sexual slur) or is this just for the little new people? Do you think the same rules should apply to all members? If the IMCA is now going to concern itself with "relationships" as well as "authenticity", I'm concerned with its new direction and to what it might lead! Did the majority of board members approve of this change? I think this situation could have been handled privately without accusations and without IMCA involvement. But now it is public and the IMCA has opened itself to a possible slander charge.. I have found Mr. Arnold very open to suggestion. He loves this group and I don't think he would intentionally hurt anyone. I don't believe he is racist. His lack of experience may irritate others, but none of us wants our "freeness of speech" regulated. I do not take Matteo's hurt feelings lightly unless he failed to contact Mr. Arnold to straighten things out privately. Rhettt, again if I am out of line, please correct me. (these are questions - not flames) Thanks, Ken Newton #9632 Rhett Bourland wrote: > Actualy Walter, I think that Steve has confused this list with the mailing > list for the IMCA. I am the one that has called him a racist because he > made racist comments towards Matteo Chinellato after Matteo expressed > discontent with getting Steve's multiple messages for the same material. If > making racist comments towards someone isn't reason enough to call someone a > racist I'm not sure what is. He almost got kicked out of the IMCA because I > will not tolerate such comments among the INTERNATIONAL Meteorite Collectors > Association but since there was nothing against that on the website he > wasn't kicked out but if you'll check various pages there are now statements > saying that such actions are now grounds for removal and I can't believe I > had to actually make such statements and they are only there because Steve > proved me wrong. > His comments to Matteo put him on a sort of probation with the IMCA where he > would be watched a bit more closely than other members. Last night, despite > the following statement on the IMCA's website > > "The purpose of the mailing list is to alert people of frauds and if a new > person to wishes to join the association that we don't personally know then > we will post to the list asking for any experiences that anyone has had. If > you would like to post about anything meteorite related (discoveries, > questions, good natured debate) that is welcomed as well. Please, DO NOT > post any sales or flames to this list. There are plenty of other lists for > those puposes. Failure to adhere to that rule will result in you being > removed from it (but
RE: [meteorite-list] THANKS
Actualy Walter, I think that Steve has confused this list with the mailing list for the IMCA. I am the one that has called him a racist because he made racist comments towards Matteo Chinellato after Matteo expressed discontent with getting Steve's multiple messages for the same material. If making racist comments towards someone isn't reason enough to call someone a racist I'm not sure what is. He almost got kicked out of the IMCA because I will not tolerate such comments among the INTERNATIONAL Meteorite Collectors Association but since there was nothing against that on the website he wasn't kicked out but if you'll check various pages there are now statements saying that such actions are now grounds for removal and I can't believe I had to actually make such statements and they are only there because Steve proved me wrong. His comments to Matteo put him on a sort of probation with the IMCA where he would be watched a bit more closely than other members. Last night, despite the following statement on the IMCA's website "The purpose of the mailing list is to alert people of frauds and if a new person to wishes to join the association that we don't personally know then we will post to the list asking for any experiences that anyone has had. If you would like to post about anything meteorite related (discoveries, questions, good natured debate) that is welcomed as well. Please, DO NOT post any sales or flames to this list. There are plenty of other lists for those puposes. Failure to adhere to that rule will result in you being removed from it (but not out of the group). " Steve decided to post another one of his sales messages for the same old material to that list and as a result got removed from the mailing list but not the IMCA. Also, despite what Mr. Arnold may think, I do not hate him. I don't particulary care for him because of his comments to Matteo as well as some rather rude comments that have been made to other people off list that I have been told about but I do not care for him because of those actions. I apologize to anyone who may not care about this but I wanted to go on the record as being the one who called Steve a racist because of his racist comments made towards Matteo. Perhaps Matteo would be willing to shed a little light on this issue? Sincerely, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:02 PM To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THANKS Steve, The only person who could kick you off the list is Art Jones, the list administrator and I am certain that you have done nothing to warrant being kicked off the list. Who has threatened to kick you off the list and who has called you a racist? -Walter --- Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites 322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 USA www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] THANKS > Hi list. I want to thank alot of you good folks for supporting me. I never > intended to cause such an uproar. I just wanted to know about LA 002. Now > I know. If we can get some great, if not no biggy. I'm just tired of being > threatend of being kicked out of this list. I love this List and all the > great guys and gals that make up this great list. I'll slow down the posts > and spamming. I just want to get along with my fellow meteorite friends > and can hardly wait to meet you in Tucson. It is hard to swallow when I'm > called a racist! I do not have a racist bone in my body. I know I should > not let 1 person get to me, but I do not believe in my heart of hearts > that I should be kicked around like this. If it was not for Mr. Haag, I > would not even be in this club of meteorite greatness. I owe alot to that > man. And when I get to Tucson, he'll be the first in a line of great > people I look forward to meeting. Thank you for letting me air myself out! > I hope you all have a great evening > > = > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 > The Midwest Meteorite Collector! > Collecting Meteorites since,June, 1999!!! > Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ___
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Question
Hello all again, For those of you who have the new Encyclopedia of Meteorites by Richard Norton and look in the appendix he has a list of the various different classifications that was taken from a paper by Dr. Rubin at UCLA. One of those that you don't often see is HH which is based on inclusions in the Netschaevo iron. Whether this classification is correct or not is still up in the air but one of the meteorites that seems to back this idea up a bit is Burnwell. Almost all of its values are outside of what you would expect for an H chondrite and look as if there are further extensions of the LL-L-H values with Burnwell being the next step. I'll be the first to admit that it could just mean that Burnwell is an extension of the H chondrites that we've yet to sample but it could quite easily be the first meteorite of a new class. The only problem is that Burnwell is the only known meteorite with such extreme values and until we have more meteorites with similiar values it will be next to impossible to say for sure. Whichever way it falls (anomolous H chondrite or HH chondrite) I still think its probably the coolest meteorite I've ever seen and definitely the best in my collection. Best wishes to all, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:59 PM To: rochette Cc: Meteorite List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Question Pierre Rochette a écrit: > the inference "this is an anomalous meteorite" should > not be put forward before answering the questions: ... Bonjour Pierre, hello List, I absolutely concur and that's why I cautiously spoke of "exceptions to the rule" instead of using a designation like "anomalous meteorite". > excluding type 3, finds and incompletely classified meteorites and allowing > for a half percent error leave practically no anomalies in Bernd's list! Right on target again! By the way, today I received an email from the Sahara Team (Richard & Roland Pélisson), informing me about the range of fayalite in the DaG 862 (main mass in their possession). The range is: Olivine Fa14.4 (0.33-32.29); pyroxene Fs13.1 (1.09-32.21) Of course, I shouldn't have included this meteorite in my overview as it is an unequilibrated H3 chondrite! > By the way why is Burnwell not fully classified? Burnwell has not yet been definitely classified or grouped because of some exotic characteristics: - lower Fa in olivine - lower Fs in orthopyroxene - lower Co in kamacite - lower FeO in the bulk chemical analysis - lower D17O than other equilibrated OC's - ordinary chondrites - higher Fe,Ni metal than other H chondrites Thus, some meteoriticists postulated an "HH" classification but Russell S.S. et al. (1998)are hesitant since this would imply a genetic significance that has not yet been fully ascertained. They use the term "low-FeO chondrite" instead to describe the Burnwell meteorite. Reference: RUSSELL S.S., McCOY T.J., JAROSEWICH E. and ASH R.D. (1998) The Burnwell, Kentucky, low iron oxide chondrite fall: Description, classification and origin (Meteoritics 33-4, 1998, 853-856). Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Question
Hello Pierre, Bernd, and list, The statement that Burnwell is anomolous is based on much more than just its low fayalite value. Looking at pyroxene, olivine, iron, nickel, and numerous other values you will see that Burnwell is much more reduced than normal H chondrites. Understandably, type 3's should be thrown out (in this case anyway) as well as weathered pieces but Burnwell is EXTREMELY fresh and is a type four. The possibility that an unusual sample of this meteorite was used for measurements is unlikely. If you've ever seen any of Burnwell in person you could see that there's really nothing different in one area from another. Its got a grey matrix with quite a few tiny chondrules (some armoured) in it and at least in the piece I've got I haven't seen any shock veining (its only a S3) or brecciation. Also, the methods used to classify it were the same methods that the Smithsonian uses to classify all of its meteorites and I don't think they make too many mistakes. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: rochette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 9:23 AM To: Meteorite List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernd Pauli HD Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Question Dear Rhett,Bernd and list In general when obtaining a measurement outside the norm (here Fa% for H within 17-20), the inference "this is an anomalous meteorite" should not be put forward before answering the questions: -does the norm apply to this case? (obviously not for type 3 which by definition show a large range in Fa%, with an average showing a standard deviation of several %) -then is there systematic bias? (possible for weathered finds, oxidation of olivine starts by turning Fe to rust therefore decreasing Fa%) -is the Fa% measurement well calibrated and what is the error bar? (It is really difficult to get absolute precision below half a percent for this parameter) -is the studied sample representative? -is the meteorite correctly classified? (possible case of Oviedo which may turn to be an L) excluding type 3, finds and incompletely classified meteorites and allowing for a half percent error leave practically no anomalies in Bernd's list! By the way why is Burnwell not fully classified? Pierre __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Question
Hello Bernd and list, Glad to see that my question has drawn some discussion and especially happy to see Bernd answered. I'm not suprised to see wide ranges of fayalite within type 3 chondrites as those have not been homogenized and it would actually be expected that some rather extreme values listed. The one meteorite you mentioned that got my attention were the ones that are a type 4 or above. I'm wondering if you have any other information on the pyroxene and metal values of some of these. Thanks, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Question Rhett Bourland wrote: > On the lower end of the H chondrite values there is a very > small bar on 15%. I was wondering if you could possibly tell > me how many meteorites are represented by that bar and if > there aren't too many which ones are they? Hello Rhett and Fayalists :-) In the lower left corner of that graph you find my name and the date when this graph was generated: October 23, 1994 so I think that the 4th edition of the Meteorite Catalogue, the Big Blue Book, was the basis for this graph. Presently there are six H chondrites with fayalite values ranging from 15 to 16 % fayalite. These include the following: NameClass Fell/Find YearFa XinyiH5 Find 1975 15 WillaroyH3 Find 197015 Grady (1937)H3.6Find 193715 Burnwell HFell 199015,8 DaG 385 H3-4Find 199715,9 Clipperton H3 Find 198615,9 The 1994 graph shows Xinyi, Willaroy, and Grady (1937). > Dr. McCoy at the Smithsonian was talking about that meteorite > having a Fa content of 15.8 +/- .2% and stated that the average > Fa composition of H chondrites is only between 16.9-20.4%. > Obviously there will be some meteorites within that class that > are slightly above or below average so I was wondering about the > ones that are a bit lower than that and any possible relationships > they may have to Burnwell. Well, meanwhile there are actually H chondrites with even lower Fa values in my databases: NameClass Fell/Find YearFa C.los CalvosH4 Find198612,5 Suwahib H3.7Find193114,4 DaG 862 H3 Find199914,4 As for the US Antarctic H chondrites, I have the following: NAMEDESIG FA FRO 95038 H4 14.7 FRO 95014 H4 14.8 ALH 77221 H4 15 EET 87553 H4 15 EET 87808 H4 15 ALH 84105 H6 15 EET 96037 H4 15 EET 96047 H4 15 GRV 99025 H5 15.6 This overview does not include ones with variable Fa values or ranges, especially the unequilibrated specimens. Some examples so that you know what I am talking about: NAMEDESIG FA GRA 98087 H3.801-19 LEW 88500 H3.701-20 WSG 95300 H3.301-21 LEW 88315 H3.501-22 > the average Fa composition of H chondrites > is only between 16.9-20.4% ... As for the upper value of 20.4% fayalite, there are also some "exceptions to the rule": NameClass Fa DaG 536 H6 21 Cleo SpringsH4 21 Oakley (stone) H6 21 Forrest 031 H4 21 Menindee L. 002 H5 21,1 Glenrothes H5 21,4 Acfer 316 H6 21,4 Dhofar 063 H5 21,4 Oviedo H5 25 US Antarctica: FRO 90081 H6 21.4 FRO 90131 H4 21.2 Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Question
Hi Bernd, I hope this email finds you well. I was doing a bit of reading tonight and have a question for you about a graph you've sent me. Back when there were discussions of fayalite values of ordinary chondrites on the Meteorite Central list you sent a graph that I put up on my website (www.asteroidmodels.com/fayalite.htm) showing those values. On the lower end of the H chondrite values there is a very small bar on 15%. I was wondering if you could possibly tell me how many meteorites are represented by that bar and if there aren't too many which ones are they? I was reading an article about Burnwell and Dr. McCoy at the Smithsonian was talking about that meteorite having a Fa content of 15.8 +/- .2% and stated that the average Fa composition of H chondrites is only between 16.9-20.4%. Obviously there will be some meteorites within that class that are slightly above or below average so I was wondering about the ones that are a bit lower than that and any possible relationships they may have to Burnwell. Any answers for my questions would be greatly appreciated. I hope you don't mind but I included the Meteorite Central mailing list in this email because I thought that some other people may enjoy reading about this as well. I know I love reading about this kind of thing when other list members have this type of conversation. Thank you, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Gao
Aw, come on now Mike. He'll post to the list later asking the people that offered him something to email him again. We'll all also learn the prices and weights of all of those pieces because for some reason he seems to never save his emails. Just wait a little bit, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Gao STEVE ARNOLD from Chicago, do you want the Gao I offered you? Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] BIRTHDAY METEORITE
There are four falls on my birthday of July 8. 1811 Berlanguillas 1900 Alexandrovsky 1932 Khanpur 1978 Rhett I saw this discussion taking place last night and thought I'd do a bit of searching to see if I could find any of these meteorites that I could have for my collection. I came across Rob Elliot's personal collection page and saw that he has almost 26g's in his personal collection so I wrote Rob asking if he might be persuaded to break off even a tiny piece so I could purchase one of my birthday meteorites. He went and checked his piece and as it turns out there was a small piece already broken off. Being the incredibly nice guy that he is he told me that even though it probably wouldn't get there in time I would be getting another birthday present from him! Its incredibly kind acts like that (plus a long list of hard to find meteorites at fair prices) that really make Rob the well loved supplier of meteorites that he is. Thanks again Rob!! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of robert szep Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] BIRTHDAY METEORITE Greetings everyone! My Birthday Meteorite is Sikhote-Alin... Fortunately, they are easily acquired. During the past few years I've purchased atleast a dozen specimens from that witnessed fall. I'm looking to add a seven or eight-pounder to my collection sometime soon. Best regards. Robert Szep. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Possible Two new Canadian Meteorites
Try a nickel test. If it comes back positive chances are you've got a keeper! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of dean bessey Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Two new Canadian Meteorites I just had a bunch of rocks sent to me from the finder in Quebec Canada and two actually looks like they could be meteorites. They are very strongly magnetic like a campo. The first rock looks to have more potential of being a meteorite than the second one but the second one looks interesting also. The face on that first meteorite looks polished and makes a good mirror. The second rock looks similar to a couple silicated irons that i have seen. See here and if anybody can identify the material from the photo as a earth rock that is found in the canadian shield let me know http://www.meteoriteshop.com/newcanada.htm Anybody think that these two might be worth getting checked out as being a meteorite? That first rock could sure fool me - especially considering how strong magnetic it is. It appears to be solid iron. And if they are not meteorites you have some photos of a couple VERY Good meteor wrongs. Cheers DEAN > _ You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar Crusts + Portales Valley
Greetings Mark and other listees, Ah, more Portales questions! The more I think about this meteorite the more I love it. <<1. Is there any brecciation present at all in observed pieces and/or do the "current" large metal areas look as if they were formed through "peaceful" processes? >> While not being able to answer this question completely I do know that from all the pictures I've seen the etch pattern on PV is pretty normal. Normal being not stretched or twisted in any way. Actually, that is to be expected because if in my last email on the subject was correct then the metal would have still been its liquid form when the impact occurred. Since it hadn't solidified at that point it would be kind of hard to wreak havoc on the pattern. ;) <<2. If one were to isolate a chunk of one of the more larger metal areas in Portales Valley, etch it, and then proceed to have it classified as a separate meteorite, what would you think it would be classified as?>> If not a plain old IIE then at least something close to it. Some IIE's are silicated (Miles being a perfect example) and the oxygen isotopes of the silicates found in those meteorites match up with the H chondrites close enough that some researches claim that the two could have come from the same parent body. Thanks for continuing this fascinating discussion!!! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] The MetCat and Windows XP
I can't say if the MetCat will work with XP or not but I do know that I've heard of some programs that work just fine with older systems having problems with XP. I think there's a way that you can run programs in an older enviroment but can't think of how to do it off the top of my head (I've been using Windows 2000 Professional since before it was released). If you can figure that out I'm guessing your problem should be taken care of. Good luck and if you find a way to make it work please let us know because others probably have the same problem. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Wesel Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 12:53 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] The MetCat and Windows XP Hello all- I just got me a new computer with Windows XP and it's giving me some trouble installing the MetCat CD. Anyone out there been through this? -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] PORTALES
Hi everyone, Robert Szep was kind enough to send me the image of this huge Portales Valley slice to put it up on my website. If you'd like to see it you can check it out at www.asteroidmodels.com/portalesvalley.htm and while you're there check out some of the new meteorites for sale I just added. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of robert szep Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] PORTALES Hello List... In my opinion, Rhett's explaination of how Portales was formed makes a great deal of sense. Especially where he discusses the Widmansatten structure found in the thick metallic veins associated with the metal-rich specimens from that mixed fall. The basic fact that meteorites with the general resemblance of ordinary chondrites, plummeted to earth along side of meteorites with an appearance similar to that of a silicated iron during a singular witnessed fall event is not only unusual, it is unprecidented. By the way, there is an excellent image of a 16 pound ... that's POUND, not gram, 'SLICE' of PORTALES VALLEY METAL-RICH METEORITE featured in The Third Millennium Meteorite Calendar - 2003 edition. For those who would like to see a full-size image of the calendar page featuring the PORTALES specimen, just send me an email reqesting the image and I'll email you a copy. Robert A Szep. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] portales
Hi Harlan, First of all, good topic!!! I hope a lot of people post on this one as I'd love to hear what everyone has to say on it. I apologize if I get a bit wordy but I know a lot of people who may not know very much about meteorites come here to learn so I thought I'd talk a bit. If I'm too far off base on any of this I apologize and please let do not hesitate to correct me. Before I even start about how I believe it formed, I'll start off with what I know about it. It is an H6 chondrite which means that it formed deeper in the asteroid it came from than other H chondrites like H3's, H4's, and H5's. For a good explanation on the formation of asteroids check out "Meteorites and Their Parent Planets" by McSween. Almost all asteroids start off as "onion shells" with the more metamorphosed grades buried deeper in the parent body than the lower grades. This is due to the asteroid's ability to more easily radiate the heat from its outer layers than the more inside parts and thus heat is what equilibrated and altered the areas closer to the core more than the regions near the surface. Some asteroids, after being formed as an onion shell, will undergo collisions which, depending on their severity, will have different effects on different parent bodies. If the impact is severe enough then the asteroid will be shattered and pieces of it will go flying off in many directions and not reaccreate. If the impact isn't as strong, however, the pieces of it will come back together under gravities powers and the various grades (3's, 4's...) will be mixed together. The high number of H breccias (like Zag which is an H3-6 or Noblesville which is an H4-6) would seem to indicate that the H parent body is a rubble pile asteroid. Subsequent heating in the core of the asteroid doesn't happen because the nuclear isotopes that caused that heating have most likely already ran their course by this time. This would seem to be backed up by the reflectance spectra of asteroid 6 Hebe which, depending on what area is being imaged, has areas that match the respective grades of H's. I also know there are large sections of iron in this chondrite that are unlike any other meteorite out there. These large sections of irons will display a Widmanstatten like most iron meteorites when etched. To be able to form the necessary bands in the pattern would require that this meteorite was formed deep within the asteroid so that there would be plenty of insulation (in the form of rock) to keep the heat in the inside of the asteroid so that the kamacite and taenite would have the needed time to grow large enough to show up when etched. Something that's interesting about the nickel-iron in Portales is that the metal in the veins of this meteorite is different from the metal flecks seen in all chondrites (especially the H's). Another unusual thing is that there is less free iron in the silicate areas of Portales than in normal H chondrites (about 4% in comparison to the normal 15%-19%) even though fayalite values remain pretty much the same as other H's (19.3% +/-0.4%). Check out the Met. Bul. containing information on this meteorite at http://www.uark.edu/campus-resources/metsoc/metbull/mb83.htm S, to get to the point of this email, how do I think Portales was formed? Early in the H parent body's history a pretty good sized impact happens on the H parent body. Its powerful enough to disrupt the asteroid to its center but not necessarily powerful enough to break up the asteroid. When it does this, some of the free metal in this region pools together to form the large metal veins. Keep in mind, this is early enough in its history that the nuclear isotopes that are heating this asteroid are still active. Also, since Portales Valley is an H6 that would mean that is towards the core of the asteroid and has plenty insulation in the rocks above it to keep it warm enough to sustain the kamacite and taenite growth needed to form the Widmanstatten patterns that are seen in the large metal areas of Portales Valley. My 8 cents, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of harlan trammell Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] portales how do YOU think portales got formed? Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater Contest
1. James Williams. 2. Richard Norton and Ron Hartman (who met his wife after hunting there one day if I remember correctly). 3. Monahans. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Gwilliam Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater Contest After reading the article posted by Ron Baalke about the proposed salvaging of the Odessa Crater site, I decided to have a simple contest. I have 5 extra brochures from the Odessa Crater that I will give to the first five people who correctly answer the following questions. * 1. Who is considered the "King of Odessa meteorite hunters? 2. Two list members successfully hunted for meteorites at Odessa over 35 years ago. Name them. 3. The Odessa Crater is located just south of Highway 80 between the city of Odessa and what other famous meteorite city? Good Luck! Best, John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Drama!
Don't worry about that. There's a short list of people who, despite their previous dumb moves, I'm hoping would have the good sense to not even bother applying to the IMCA. This person is obviously one of them. If for nothing else, the idiotic threatening of law suits. Actually, just the threat of lawsuits makes me cringe and from everything I've seen the only people who even mention them don't have a leg to stand on and only use them as a scare tactic (much as "Colin" here has) because they have no hope of actually being right. I've also heard of certain people either being sued, or at least coming close, for telling certain people that their rocks are not meteorites and those people I try to avoid at all possible cost. If any of you have been the target of such a thing would you please email me off list? I don't want myself, and by extension the IMCA, to have to deal with an idiot with more money than brains who is wanting to join but won't be allowed for the obvious reasons. All replies will be confidential and will be used only so I'll know who to watch out for. Thank you, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:57 AM To: TMS/TNS/HRC Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Drama! Powers that be, I would like to suggest the person who screwed Jeannie NOT be allowed to join the IMCA. Michael -- TMS/TNS/HRC wrote: > > Hello list! > > Well, the drama continues. I filed a Fraud Complaint with Ebay > yesterday regarding the "Canyon Diablo Meteorite" which as you all > know by now, turned out to be iron shale. I have received two > responses from Judith McCabe/Colin also known as pahanaswife, > bubbamisen, and currently j.c.z.inc. on Ebay. The first was a > response to Ebay which was forwarded to me through their system: > > >Comment Added: Buyer contacted me after 2 months for refund. Item > sold was > indeed meteorite as listed in the meteoritic encyclopedia 5th issue. I > > am contacting my lawer to consider proceedings for the fraud > allegation. > Slander is another word for it. > > As I mentioned before in my communication to the list, I contacted the > seller the day after I received the product in the mail, received a > nasty reply and my subsequent attempts to contact them were ignored. > > The second comment I received was an email to me directly which I > received this afternoon. > > Hi > > My lawer has advised me to start legal proceedings against you for > the fraud allegation.Which i am very seriously considering. Under > section 25 of the slanderous comments act( which comes under federal > law) i have the right because the fraud complaint is a false statement > and slanderous against my being and integrity. I therefore am > considering a class action lawsuit against you because of this. > > The material sent to you was as discribed in the auction . There was > not a mention that it was nickel iron. Furthermore in your own words > you have admitted selling this material for 10 years. Which under > federal law is illegal under the ireplacable resourse act. > > I have many paths open to me towards a lawsuit. one being my geology > degree and my expirience in the field of astrogeology. But not to beat > around the bush i will sue you for every penny you have. > > Have a wonderful day > > colin > > > So, it seems that something finally woke them up! :) > > I find it interesting that one of the comments in the email mentioned > that there was nothing that said the material was nickel iron. So, > this confirms my previous suspicion that this person knows exactly > what they are selling , and is deliberately misrepresenting it as > Canyon Diablo meteorite to get a higher price at auction than what it > is actually worth. This one is definitely a "rotton apple". > > Just wanted to pass on the latest news to you all, since I promised to > keep everyone informed about what was going on! > > Warm regards to you all, > Jeannie > IMCA #9236 > The Museum Store/The Nature Source > & The Historical Research Center > Anchorage, Alaska > www.thenaturesource.com > __ > No matter how far you go down the wrong road, turn back. > -Turkish Proverb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] IT IS STILL FOR SALE
Yes Steve, we know its for sale. If no one is beating down your door to buy it its not because we've forgotten about it. One or two emails about advertising is just fine and actually welcomed. Continued email about it is considered spam. I know its a free country and you can do what you want and all but because of that freedom others can also tell you how annoying it is to constantly be told about something for sale that they aren't interested in buying. Personally, I make it a point to never buy anything that is advertised in spam and I've a feeling I'm not the only one. There's a possible reason why you've yet to sell this piece despite your repeated messages to let us all know you have it. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SSTEVE ARNOLD Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 7:15 AM To: METEORITECENTRAL Subject: [meteorite-list] IT IS STILL FOR SALE GOOD MORNING LIST. I'M IN A GOOD MOOD TODAY. DAG 400 $400! I LOWERERD THE PRICE. .102 GRAMS IN NICE RIKER BOX, ORIGINALLY FROM R.A LANGHEINRIECH METEORITES. LET ME KNOW. SORRY FOR THE CAPS. S. R. Arnold, Chicago!! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Miracles
A couple of my meteorites had started to get kind of rusty and I was afraid that a couple others may share the same fate so I sent them off to Jim Hartman a couple weeks ago and got them back today. My Fredericksburgh was almost totally covered with rust and is completely free now. Apparently, Jim also has a healing touch with stones too! My 20g Juancheng individual wasn't collected right away and so had begun to weather some plus living in such a humid enviroment didn't help it either. After getting it back from Jim if it wasn't the same shape I would swear it was a different meteorite that had just fallen this afternoon. Thanks for saving my pieces Jim. I'm sure my Eagle Station and Losttown will be nice and safe for years to come now. Thanks again, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Display
Good evening everyone, I hope this letter finds you all doing well this evening. I don't know how many of you are near Sunriver Oregon or will be anytime in the near future but if you are there's a meteorite display at the Sunriver Nature Center. Unfortunately I've not had the chance to see it myself and unless for some reason I'm up that way I probably won't but I do know that it was arranged by Richard and Dorothy Norton and has some pieces from their collection (as well as one of my Eros asteroid models that I donated) so you know it should be good. The observatory there also has a VERY nice selection of telescopes that you can use. Go check it out!!! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] fussion crust
H The crust has a green tint and there are holes in the crust. Cheese has holes and its been widely speculated that the moon is made out of green cheese for quite some time so I guess this is proof of that after all!!! In good humor, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Calongne Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 1:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] fussion crust i known that eucrites have shiny crust and stonies have flat black but this week i found out that moon rocks have a black crust with a green tint and often have vesicles (holes from gas escaped), keep an eye out for these 2 signs from above...happy collecting i think therefore i am therefore i collect david c __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] National Geographic Article
Hi Rafael and list, I've got a bunch of old National Geographics for sale on my website that are all about space related topics from 1966 (Space Rendevous, Milestones to the Moon) up to 1998 (Mars). Check them out at http://asteroidmodels.com/meteorites/nationalgeographics.htm Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rafael Blando Torres Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 4:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] National Geographic Article Hi list, I had yesterday the chance of buying the September 1986 issue of National Geographic, it has an article about meteorites "Intruders from Space" that its very good, it has some awesome pictures that Ive never seen. Including two photos of the famous Sylacauga fall, one of the bruice it made to Mrs. Hodge and the other of the broken roof of the house. It also has some photos of Nininger in his lasts months, at age 99. And has more photos and good information about basic meteorites. It is interesting to see how scientints from last decade managed to take information out of the meteorites with no technology at all, when that was published there was no evidence of the Chicxulub crater so they mention that a big crater must be hidden somewhere in the Earth but has yet to be found. Isnt that amazing??? If some of you have the issue take a look at it and maybe you'll find something interesting...as always in the National Geographic, I love that magazine. ***Im collecting back issues of National Geographic about meteorites and planets. If you now some past issue that has an article about it, can you tell me the month and year so I can look for it here in Mexico. Pls help with that I know some you might read past issues Thanks a lot list¡¡ Rafael B. Torres Space Collection 2001 http://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] My Meteorites are more puzzling than Mercury Meteorite Puzzle
No, it couldn't. When an object goes through the atmosphere and gets its crust the material is ablated quite quickly which means that the outer areas of a meteorite are burned away. That would include any areas that have been burned by a close passage to the sun. Also, due to rocks being a poor conductor for heat combined with the ablation process we can't expect to see a very thick crust on any real meteorite. Sorry to say but once again even though I can't say what your rocks are I think its safe to say that they are NOT meteorites. Remember my friend, the burden of proof is not upon the nay-sayers to show that you don't have meteorites but upon yourself to prove that you do indeed have numerous types of new meteorites that have not been seen before and just happen to have a higher concentration in your corner of the world. Apparently though there are areas of the world that seem to act as a magnet for extremely revolutionary meteorites. Your corner of the world as well as the Boggy Creek area of Texas (I think its in Texas), the shores of Lake Michigan where the emerald meteorite is from, and the Frass ranch seem to have unusually high concentrations of rare and unusual meteorites. Anyone care to do study on the reasons behind this? Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Diamond Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] My Meteorites are more puzzling than Mercury Meteorite Puzzle Hiii dear list members; Peace Be Upon You All. So long I did not contribute. Maybe the list were better off me, but as I was watching your contributions all the time; the Mercury Meteorite Puzzle striked me very much. Even before I do any analysis on my what-ever-you-call-them I could tell that they must have been formed very close to the sun, in fact extremely close, and that is why some of them have over a centimeter thick burned crust. After many tests I did so far they seem to be very unusual meteorites. Here I want to ask a Question: Please go back again to my site: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor and reexamin the pictures carefully with unbiased minds. Please especially look at the crusts here: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/fc2.htm and here: http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/fc.htm . And my Question is: Could those be part of a comet or meteor that has come very close to the Sun? Sincerely Mohamed === "As vsion grows expression becomes difficult." AnNiffari __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IMCA
Hi everyone, This email covers a few things that have been discussed the past few days concerning the IMCA and possible meteorwrongs on eBay. First of all, thanks to everyone who saw the discussions and decided to become a member. We're up to 129 members now and still growing. As the saying goes, "the more the merrier!" As for statements to accompany eBay auctions, as it stands now we already ask people to use the phrase "Authenticity GUARANTEED" underneath their logo. When we formed, the intent of the IMCA was to help promote the people who agree to be judged by higher standards and not to attempt to hinder the sales of non-members. The IMCA does not control the meteorite market nor do we want to. We help ensure that people who are members are honest people who can be trusted to sell exactly what they say they're selling. Someone on here (I apologize I can't remember who) suggested that a website be made showing a list of people who are known to be "safe" to buy from. To those of you who have not visited the IMCA's website at www.meteoritecollectors.org such a website already exists. We maintain a page with all of our current members, their IMCA number, and their email address at www.meteoritecollectors.org/numbers.htm. Again, on behalf of myself and the other IMCA directors, thank you to all of you who have joined and/or supported us in the wild ride. Also, to those of you who have not joined, I would like to invite each of you to come join a great bunch of people who love the rocks we all love so much. Warmest regards, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Mercury Meteorite Puzzle
Another thing that has always bugged me and I can't understand is if the
irons are supposed to be the core of a large differentiated asteroid, why
don't we see more types of pallasites? There are dozens of irons classes
when you include the assorted anomolous irons out there but there are only a
few types of pallasites (main group, pyroxene, Eagle Station grouplet,
Glorietta Mountain, and few other anoms.). There are some studies ("A
nonmagmatic origin of group-IIE iron meteorites" by John Wasson and Jianmin
Wang, in which they also mention that the IAB and IIICD irons could be
formed by localized melting instead of core formation) that have been done
to show that some irons could be formed in a localized melt pocket but if
the majority of irons are from the core its seems to me there should be more
pallasite groups.
Yet another great mystery in the world of meteorites! If anyone could shed
some light on this please share.
Best wishes,
Rhett Bourland
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Ron Baalke wrote:
and
Both of these statements are incorrect. Both Mercury and Venus are
differentiated bodies. Neither can be the source of "chondrites" of any
kind. They could however the the source of various "achondrites".
If people are interested in a mystery here is a big one. Pallasites are
generally
assumed to be from the core / mantle boundry. There are quite a few
pallasites
so their formation doesn't appear to be an unusual occurance. There are
also a
lot of irons from the core side of the boundry. There are however no, as
in
zero, meteorites with pallasitic type olivine crystals with out an iron
matrix.
The mantle by volume would be larger than the core of most differentiated
bodies. So where are the olivine meteorites? One would think they would be
at least as abundent as the pallasites. Is the pallasite theory incorrect?
Is there
a yet undiscovered class of meteorites? Is there a mechanism that prevents
the formation of a pure olivine region or destroys them after formation,
preventing
a pure olivine meteorite from reaching earth? There are no answers. The
big mystery isn't whether we have a meteorite from mecury, it is where is
the
olivine?
Eric Olson
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RE: [meteorite-list] Ebay M-wrong
Hi Michael and all, I think the idea of telling people to only buy from IMCA members is a bad one that I do not agree with. There are some rather big shots that are not members (Mike Farmer, Rob Elliot are two that come to mind) that are not members that often sell items on eBay. I wouldn't want to knock their sales any. The IMCA was created to add an element of security to buying meteorites (especially on eBay) that's not there in any other form. If you see that someone is a member then you know that there are over 100 other people watching you with a close eye to make sure you sell only the real deal and will highly encourage you to stay totally honest. IMCA members are held to higher standards than other people collecting meteorites. I'd also like to say that our efforts are working too. I have been contacted by people who have seen our logos on eBay and wish to join so that they can sell there meteorwrong on eBay. Because potential members have to have at least two references to get in these people were not able to get in and I was able to convince them that they need to get their rocks classified by an accredited lab before attempting to sell it on eBay. To this date I've not seen any of these people go on to try to sell their rocks. I know some people have their reasons for not joinging the IMCA (which I totally respect) but I would like to invite all people who are not yet members to join up and make this organization even stronger than it is now. All that is required of you is that only sell/trade exactly what you say and you can get a couple current members (see www.meteoritecollectors.org/numbers.htm to see the list of over 100 current members) to say you're honest. If any of the big boys (ROB, MIKE!!!) or the smallest of collectors would like to join please email me. Thanks everyone, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 2:06 PM To: Rafael Blando Torres Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay M-wrong Hi Rafael and all, What do other members of the IMCA think of adopting a policy encouraging all members to include a statement when posting to eBay along the lines of: "Member of IMCA" BEWARE non-IMCA members offering "meteorites" on eBay that are NOT meteoritic. Buy only from IMCA dealers and fellow collectors to insure what you are getting IS actually a meteorite, not a 'meteorwrong!'" Without such a statement, the IMCA function is fairly impotent on eBay. This, at least, would cause buyers to consider/reconsider crapola offered from non-members & since membership is open to anyone committed to legitimate practices, I don't know how there could be any objection. What do people think? RSVP Thanks, Michael PS: Let's keep it on the list - won't do much good to email me, personally, on this issue. -- Rafael Blando Torres wrote: > > I think its a tektite too, is there anybody on the net who controls a little > bit ebays??..it seems almost anyone can post a garden rock or some stupid > thing and claim its a meteorite, and win some money. > > For example, we as meteorite collectors know what a meteorite looks like or > at least we know where to buy meteorites¡¡¡, but an uninformed person > cannot tell a difference and can buy a simple rock thinking its a meteorite. > My friends always say: "how do you know its a meteorite and not a garden > rock?" and I always reply them: I buy them from reputable dealers¡¡ > > Can we do somthing to prevent these frauds??? > > _ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- "Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." -- Dan Quayle, 11/30/88 -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satalite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites, Didgeridoos & Insects in Amber for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King collection
TO MIKEY Perhaps someone else is trying to make more out of this than there really is when it doesn't even concern him. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Casper Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Lisa King" Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King collection TO THE ENTIRE METEORITE LIST Perhaps Lisa's meteorites have been sold to people on THIS list and she has not been paid for them! Michael Casper - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lisa King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King collection > Dear Lisa, > > Would you mind informing us as to EXACTLY why you're making this request (again), almost two years after the collection was dispersed? > > Many on this list may be hesitant to reply to you not knowing why you want to know who-bought-what. Anything anyone may have bought was purchased in good faith, and your sudden inquiry is extremely ususual. > > If you have unresolved business issues with Mr. Arnold, that is something you need to work out with him. > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong education
That "About Me" page is too cool! Ken, congratulations on a job VERY well done. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charlie Devine Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 6:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorwrong education Dear list: I noticed recently that Ken Newton has created an About Me page on eBay with the purpose of educating bidders on the existence of meteorwrongs on eBay. I think he's done a fantastic job. Take a look: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/magellon/ Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King Collection
Yeah whatever Mikey. Like I and Farmer said, you lost the deal years ago. Get over it already. As for my "cowardice" and "jealousy," what is there to be scared or envious of? You? Thanks for the laguh, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King Collection Dear Rhett, The name is Michael NOT Mikey. Yes I did lose out of representing the "King Collection". If I would have sold the collection his daughters would have been paid. It is a fact that I offered OVER $200,00.00 cash to the family. That is $200,000.00 more than they received! Steve Arnold, a questionable attorney and a corrupt male nurse saw to that! the King Family has NOT been paid by Steve Arnold AND ASSOCIATES (Geoff Notkin?). Rhett... your jealousy and cowardice are overwhelming. Michael Casper - Original Message - From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King Collection > Jeez Mikey, just because you lost out on this deal back then even though > you're such a big and important dealer its rather odd that you are still so > bitter about it. Like Mike Farmer said yesterday the collection sold off > two years ago so what's the point now? > Rhett Bourland > www.asteroidmodels.com > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > www.meteoritecollectors.org > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael > Casper > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:55 PM > To: Lisa King; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King Collection > > > Is anyone doing something about this? > > Michael Casper > > > - Original Message - > From: Lisa King > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:05 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King Collection > > > Hello everyone. > My name is Lisa King. I am the oldest daughter of Dr. Elbert A. King Jr., > former curator of the Lunar Receiving Lab in Houston, Texas. We would like > everyone to know that Steve Arnold of International Meteorite Brokerage > no longer represents Sharon King or is an agent for the Dr. Elbert A. King > collection. He has not been for some time. > > I am asking that anyone out there who may have purchased King collection > material including books and proceedings, space memorabilia, meteorites, > tektites, mineral specimens, etc. from Mr. Arnold since February 4, 2001, to > please contact me. Thanks. > Sincerely, Lisa King > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > __ Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King Collection
Jeez Mikey, just because you lost out on this deal back then even though you're such a big and important dealer its rather odd that you are still so bitter about it. Like Mike Farmer said yesterday the collection sold off two years ago so what's the point now? Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Casper Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:55 PM To: Lisa King; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King Collection Is anyone doing something about this? Michael Casper - Original Message - From: Lisa King To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Relating to the Elbert A. King Collection Hello everyone. My name is Lisa King. I am the oldest daughter of Dr. Elbert A. King Jr., former curator of the Lunar Receiving Lab in Houston, Texas. We would like everyone to know that Steve Arnold of International Meteorite Brokerage no longer represents Sharon King or is an agent for the Dr. Elbert A. King collection. He has not been for some time. I am asking that anyone out there who may have purchased King collection material including books and proceedings, space memorabilia, meteorites, tektites, mineral specimens, etc. from Mr. Arnold since February 4, 2001, to please contact me. Thanks. Sincerely, Lisa King Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that fell into the water
Hmmm seems I remember hearing about another possible meteorite hitting a boat and bouncing out up in Alaska too. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of TMS/TNS/HRC Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that fell into the water The Alaskan meteorites Hope Creek and Aggie Creek were found in creeks of those names by prospectors dredging for gold. Also I believe that the Cold Bay pallasite (also Alaskan) was found on the beach. I believe that covers all known Alaskan meteorites! Jeanne Devon Museum Store/Nature Source www.thenaturesource.com IMCA #9236 - Original Message - From: "John Gwilliam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bernd Pauli HD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Serguei Vassiliev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites that fell into the water > A large piece of the Marjalahti pallasite was witnessed to fall into a > lake. Vladimir Stepakov, Ivan Koutyrev's partner, nearly drown while > searching for this one. > > Also, weren't several pieces of the Estherville mesosiderite seen to fall > into a lake near a couple of boys? > > Regards, > > John Gwilliam > > At 12:58 PM 5/4/02 +0200, Bernd Pauli HD wrote: > >Hello Serguei and List, > > > >The most famous meteorite that fell into a pond or a stock tank is, of > >course, Pena Blanca Spring. See detailed description in Joel Schiff's > >METEORITE magazine: Meteorite! (May 2000, Vol. 6, No. 2, pp. 36-38). > > > >Some of the Siena stones have also been reported to have fallen into > >a pond: "Two astonished English ladies saw stones fall into a pond > >and splash out water that appeared to boil." The government had the > >pond drained and actually recovered some Siena stones [MARVIN > >U.B. (1996) E.F. Chladni (1756-1827) and the origins of modern > >meteorite research (Meteoritics 31-5, 1996, 558-561)]. > > > >Several Chinga specimens were found in the Chinga River basin. And > >there is the Djati-Pengilon H6 chondrite which fell into the Alastoeva > >river. > > > >Another celebrity is the Grosnaja CV3 chondrite. A shower of stones > >fell, after detonations, but only 1 of about 3.5 kg was recovered as > >the rest fell into the river Terek. > > > >Monte Milone, L5, brecciated: After detonations, many stones fell > >(some in the river Potenza) 8 miles from Macerata, Italy. > > > >Seymchan, a IIE iron of 272.3 kg was found in the bed of a stream > >flowing into the river Hekandue, a tributary of the Jasachnaja. > > > >Shirahagi, IVA, mass of 22.7 kg was found in the bed of the Kamiichi- > >kawa river. Saotome, which is structurally similar, was found in the > >same river 2 years later. > > > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Bernd > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > John Gwilliam Meteorites > PO Box 26854 > Tempe AZ 85285 > http://www.meteoriteimpact.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Mystery Solved!
Somehow I think Darryl must be smiling down on us right now. This email brought from my deep admiration of a great mind who never shied away from healthy debate on this subject. I still have his emails saved as well as the information he once sent me. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chauncey Walden Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery Solved! In a story on meteorites in this month's issue of Rock and Gem, Bob Jones says that tektites are from the moon. No discussion, just the statement. There it is in black and white so it must be right. At least he didn't let out the secret that they are petrified green cheese. Chauncey Walden __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Closest meteorite
That is unless you're the lady from Sylacauga!!! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Closest meteorite I would like to nominate Skip Wilson, and Gale Newbury. Skip lives about 100 yards from the closest Portales Valley piece to his house, and Gale Newbury had one fall through his barn roof. It dont get much closer than that. Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thanks!!!
Hi, I just wanted to send an email out to two different people who have been kind to me lately. One is Harlan Trammell for the free Gao from the Name That Tune contest. Chocolately brown crust with loads of metal flecks and a dark crusted edge makes it a great addition to my growing collection. The other person is Mike Jensen. We've corresponded off list regarding IIE irons' origins and he was kind enough to send me a photocopied article that he thought (rightly!) would be of interest to me. Thanks guys! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Beanie Baby's etc.
Ok, after thinking about it I have to admit it would be pretty funny to sell a piece of Valera with a cow Beanie Baby or Nakhla with a dog. Maybe New Concord with a horse? What can I say? The thought of a meteorite hitting and killing a Beanie Baby just really makes me happy. :) I'd probably bid on one of those auctions myself. With a smile on my face, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MARK BOSTICK Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:34 PM To: Chuck; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Beanie Baby's etc. Come on now Chuck, most people don't even know meteorite exist. How many times have you told someone your interested in meteorites to have them respond "What is that?" or "What do you do with them?". How many meteorite collectors do you think there are? How many Beanie Babies collectors do you think there are? I would bet a lot more Beanie Babie collectors. Personally I thought the auctions are funny. It apparently made you take a look and therefore served there purpose. I do not see how I am "cheapening the sale of meteorites". Which, since you brought it up Most people would agree that many meteorites have lost value the last couple years, this for me has been a good thing. I have been able to build a bigger meteorite collection then I would have ever dreamed. While I will agree I could have put more thought into tie the beanie with a meteorite from its homeland. (Does anyone know where most the storks live?) I did manage a crab with an Imilac and an african meteorite with a rhino. I do apologize if you feel I have hurt or devalued your collection in anyway. As I do not know you, it was not my intent. I suppose you wouldnt think my meteorite-comic books auctions for next week is a bad ideal as well..just kidding. Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" - Original Message - From: Chuck Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Beanie Baby's etc. Mark, Please stop cheapening the sale of Meteorites with all the other items that you offer for sale. When you combine all of it together they look like Garage sale/Flea Market items. You are hurting all of us and Yourself when you do this. What you need to do is to organize everything into separate Groups and your Meteorites into Type and Location, please sell your Meteorites by themselves remember .. what you are doing hurts us and YOU !. Chuck Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Beanie Baby's etc.
Personally, I thought the idea was rather juvenile. Meteorites are scientific items that most people (self included) collect because of their scientific value and beautiful appearance. Beanie Babies are generally (from what I've seen at least) collected by people who hope to make money by buying cute little stuffed animals (kids excluded). While I certainly welcome any and all new collectors to our wonderous hobby, the thought of people collecting them with the same attitude and habbits as Beanie collectors makes me cringe (sorry to any of you who collect them). From what I've been able to tell the scientific community isn't always real wild about the idea of private individuals competing for new and exotic finds and my big fear is if totally commercial collector/dealers would get ahold of a new rare meteorite (such as a Lodranite or totally and anomolous carbonaceous chondrite) the scientific community, and hence all of us, could lose out by the scientific community not getting very much at all because that new rare find would be promoted the same way the Princess Di Beanie Baby was which would put it out of reach of most institutions and is a very valid concern if you ask me. I know I may sound rather hypocritical because I love getting those new and exotic meteorites (and thank you to all the dealers who have provided me that opportunity) but I know I just wouldn't feel comfortable having a meteorite that hasn't been properly studied which is what I fear will happen if the same attitude of Beanie collecting is applied to meteorites. It also, to me at least, seems to cheapen the scientific importance of meteorites which contain the clues to our world's very existence to the and how we got here by putting them on the level of collectable little trinkets and tying them to stuffed animals. I apologize if I'm sounding overly critical and I must admit that I'm biased here. People who spend very much time with me learn two things fairly quickly; one is how much I absolutely love meteorites and the other (for various reasons) is how much I hate really truly have a deep seeded hatred of Beanie Babies and the way that people will go insane over stuffed animals. By 4 cents, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MARK BOSTICK Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:34 PM To: Chuck; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Beanie Baby's etc. Come on now Chuck, most people don't even know meteorite exist. How many times have you told someone your interested in meteorites to have them respond "What is that?" or "What do you do with them?". How many meteorite collectors do you think there are? How many Beanie Babies collectors do you think there are? I would bet a lot more Beanie Babie collectors. Personally I thought the auctions are funny. It apparently made you take a look and therefore served there purpose. I do not see how I am "cheapening the sale of meteorites". Which, since you brought it up Most people would agree that many meteorites have lost value the last couple years, this for me has been a good thing. I have been able to build a bigger meteorite collection then I would have ever dreamed. While I will agree I could have put more thought into tie the beanie with a meteorite from its homeland. (Does anyone know where most the storks live?) I did manage a crab with an Imilac and an african meteorite with a rhino. I do apologize if you feel I have hurt or devalued your collection in anyway. As I do not know you, it was not my intent. I suppose you wouldnt think my meteorite-comic books auctions for next week is a bad ideal as well..just kidding. Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" - Original Message - From: Chuck Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Beanie Baby's etc. Mark, Please stop cheapening the sale of Meteorites with all the other items that you offer for sale. When you combine all of it together they look like Garage sale/Flea Market items. You are hurting all of us and Yourself when you do this. What you need to do is to organize everything into separate Groups and your Meteorites into Type and Location, please sell your Meteorites by themselves remember .. what you are doing hurts us and YOU !. Chuck Jenkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] announcement of new type basaltic meteorite in 'Science'
If so please let me know as well. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] announcement of new type basaltic meteorite in 'Science' Does Somebody have a small piece for sale? Julien > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 6:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [meteorite-list] announcement of new type basaltic > meteorite in > 'Science' > > > > Hi all, > > A very interesting paper in SCIENCE today. A team of Japanese > and American > scientists has investigated the basaltic meteorite NWA 011, > and discovered that > this meteorite resembles an Eucrite but is different in some > aspects, most > notably the Oxygen Isotope composition. While Eucrite origins > are linked with > asteroid 4 Vesta, their results suggest that NWA 011 must be [snip] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fayalite Composition Graphs
Hi everyone, If you remember from earlier in the week there was a discussion of fayalite values in ordinary chondrites. Bernd was kind enough to send me some Powerpoint slides showing the fayalite values for 60 antartic chondrites found as well as fayalite values for ordinary chondrites. With his permission, of course, I've converted those files into HTML. For those of you who would like to see them check out the following links. www.asteroidmodels.com/fayalite.htm www.asteroidmodels.com/antfayalites.htm Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites
Old Testament and New Testament? :) Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tettenborn Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites WOW! Just received my copy this evening and I am in heaven! If you haven't orderd a copy yet you owe it to yourself to do so. Don't wait. Now a question for the list. Has this book now replaced Rocks from Space as "The Bible"? Just finished the preface and forward. Now to chapter 1. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Onatrio __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Hamlet
Cool pictures Martin! I've never seen either of them. I'm especially fond of my small piece of Noblesville because that's where I asked my wife to marry me!!! As for Hamlet, my piece looks kind of weathered as well. I couldn't quite figure that one out because it was collected so quickly after it fell. I suppose its possible that another stone could have been found later but I've not heard anything about it (for whatever that counts). I feel quite safe in assuming that my piece of Hamlet really is from that stone though as I've never heard of Russ K. making too many mistakes. ;) Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Horejsi Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hamlet Hi Dave, The Nobelsville meteorite is really a nice stone. Well, was anyway. The kids that found it sold it. Then, of course, it was sliced up like a loaf of bread. Well actually more like a muffin since it was not very large. Here is a link to a picture of it as a whole stone. http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/outreach1/expmetmys/slideset/NoblesvilleMet.JPG And here is a link to a pic of the two boys who almost lost their heads to the cosmic stone: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/outreach1/expmetmys/slideset/NoblesvilleFall.jpg Regarding your Hamlet, It does not appear much like any Hamlet I have seen, but rather more like the LL4s coming out of the Sahara et. al. Any chance there was a mix-up somewhere in the packaging? Or could you piece of Hamlet have been found years after the fall? Cheers, Martin On 4/8/02 11:19 AM, "Dave Schultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here`s a picture of my small 3.4g. piece of Hamlet. Seems to be more > weathered than the picture of the slice that Martin posted. :( I think > that my most favorite looking Indiana meteorite that I have seen has to be > Noblesville. Very cool! Dave > > Mvc-038s > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Hamlet
Beautiful slice Martin though there was a slight error in your email. Hamlet has been reclassified as an LL3-4 breccia. I don't remember where this was reported but I know Michael Masse has that information. Maybe we could persuade him to share a bit? Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Horejsi Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:36 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Hamlet Hi Rhett and All, For you viewing pleasure, here is a link to a picture of a large complete slice of the LL4 Hamlet. http://aristotle.isu.edu/hamlet.jpg As you can see, this is a busy little meteorite chocked full of inclusions, as many LL4s are. By the way, I noticed that one of Matteo's slices, one full of inclusions and in the running for "Collection in a Slice" status was pictured in Norton's new book. Good Job Matteo! Wonderful picture. Cheers, Martin On 4/8/02 9:27 AM, "Rhett Bourland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I remember correctly the house you are thinking of is Hamlet. > > Rhett Bourland > www.asteroidmodels.com > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:58 AM > To: Sterling K. Webb > Cc: Meteorite List > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Pronunciation > > >> Hi, List, > > >> The almost entire main mass of the "car-killer" (sorry, there was >> no dog in the car) lives in the Field Museum in Chicago. The >> whereabouts of the car is unknown. >> >> Sterling K. Webb >> > > Sterling, and group: > > Parts of the car (the perforated roof, the dented muffler and the seat > cushion where the meteorite was ultimately found) are still on display > at the Field Museum -- along with the holed portion of the garage > roof. In another interesting display, there are pieces of damaged > roofing and a twisted rain gutter from a house impact, although the > locality of that fall escapes me for the moment. > > Mark Langenfeld > Madison, WI > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Pallasite availability
I know at one time or another I've seen at least 21 different ones for sale. Some are obviously much harder to get than others but I know I've seen the following at least once over the past few years. There have probably been more over the last few decades but I've not been collecting that long. Admire Ahumada Albin Brahin Brenham Esquel Finmarken Eagle Station Glorieta Mountain Huckitta Imilac Krasnojarsk Marjalahti Molong Mount Vernon Quijingue Somervell County South Bend Springwater Theil Mountains Vermillion Some of those are rather common to say the least (Imilac, Brahin) while others are a bit harder to find. Of the ones you've not seen very often I've only seen for sale once or twice and they usually go pretty quickly. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Hardy Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:51 AM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Pallasite availability Does anyone know how many of the pallasites are available to collectors? I recently was able to add the 19th different pallasite to my collection thanks to Russ K. David H. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Pronunciation
If I remember correctly the house you are thinking of is Hamlet. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:58 AM To: Sterling K. Webb Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite Pronunciation > Hi, List, > The almost entire main mass of the "car-killer" (sorry, there was > no dog in the car) lives in the Field Museum in Chicago. The > whereabouts of the car is unknown. > > Sterling K. Webb > Sterling, and group: Parts of the car (the perforated roof, the dented muffler and the seat cushion where the meteorite was ultimately found) are still on display at the Field Museum -- along with the holed portion of the garage roof. In another interesting display, there are pieces of damaged roofing and a twisted rain gutter from a house impact, although the locality of that fall escapes me for the moment. Mark Langenfeld Madison, WI __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites
Thinking about this just a little bit more, the idea that 4's would have equilibriated pyroxene but not olivine where as 5's would have equilibriated pyroxene and olivine makes sense when you think about Bowen's Reaction Series and the temperatures needed to metamorphose the various ingredients of chondrites. Bowen says that the first mineral to solidify from a magma is olivine followed later by pyroxene. Knowing that, you can deduce that the last mineral to be affected by a heating process would be olivine. I know that type 3's are supposed to be from the surface of the parent body and the more towards the center you go the higher the type (4-6) gets. Its generally accepted that the deeper in the asteroid you go the warmer it gets. Why am I talking about this stuff? The asteroid gets somewhat warm towards the surface. Warm enough to equilibriate the pyroxene but not the olivine. Move a little more towards the core, it gets a little warmer. Warm enough to equilibriate both the pyroxene and the olivine. Again, I don't really know how 6's would fit into this scheme of things and I whole heartedly welcome any comments, good or bad, about what I've said. Come on everyone, put your thinking caps on. Here's a chance for healthy debate actually about meteorites and not about the normal things we argue about on here. Any and all comments are welcome and encouraged!!! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 8:01 PM To: Bernd Pauli HD Cc: Fred Olsen; meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites Bernd Pauli HD wrote: . > Slight correction: Cole Creek is an H5 chondrite. So far, > so good (or bad). We discussed this about 18 months ago > and when I got my Cole Creek thin section from Michael > Blood, I got almost drowned in a sea of chondrules. But it > does have a fayalite content (another important parameter) > of 18.5 and this makes it clearly an H chondrite although > not necessarily an H5 chondrite :-( > Best wishes, > Bernd > __ Hi Bernd, Fred & all, It has always amazed me that Cole Creek is classified as a 5. I understand the "H" classification - but not the "5" - can you, Bernd, or, anyone, tell us why a meteorite with such clearly distinct and well defined (as well as colorful) chondrules can be a "5?" (I REALLY wanna know...) Thanks, Michael -- "Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of law and order." - John V. Lindsay -- More Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satalite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites for sale at: http://www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites
Hi Michael, There's a very good chance I'll totally miss the mark here but from what I've been able to gather chondrules are not the only way in which numeric grades assigned. Though a certain meteorite (in this case Cole Creek) may have quite a few a chondrules in it I'm pretty sure the homogenity of the olivine and pyroxene play a role in it. If I remember correctly I think that 3's olivine and pyroxene are not homogenous. 3's are known as unequilibriated chondrites because the olivine and pyroxene have varying amounts of Mg and Fe. 4's have pyroxene have become equilibriated but still has various forms of olivine. 5's have equilibriated pyroxene and olivine. Not exactly sure how 6's fit into this scheme of things though. If anyone could possibly clarrify this (or even point out how I don't have a clue what I'm talking about) by all means please do share with us because I don't mind being wrong just as long as someone is kind enough to show me how to be right. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 8:01 PM To: Bernd Pauli HD Cc: Fred Olsen; meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites Bernd Pauli HD wrote: . > Slight correction: Cole Creek is an H5 chondrite. So far, > so good (or bad). We discussed this about 18 months ago > and when I got my Cole Creek thin section from Michael > Blood, I got almost drowned in a sea of chondrules. But it > does have a fayalite content (another important parameter) > of 18.5 and this makes it clearly an H chondrite although > not necessarily an H5 chondrite :-( > Best wishes, > Bernd > __ Hi Bernd, Fred & all, It has always amazed me that Cole Creek is classified as a 5. I understand the "H" classification - but not the "5" - can you, Bernd, or, anyone, tell us why a meteorite with such clearly distinct and well defined (as well as colorful) chondrules can be a "5?" (I REALLY wanna know...) Thanks, Michael -- "Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of law and order." - John V. Lindsay -- More Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satalite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites for sale at: http://www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites
Ok, one other question that I'm sure others are probably wondering about as well. What happens when the fayalite value falls on 20, 21, or 24? What is the determining factor in those situations? Curiously, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: Bernd Pauli HD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Fred Olsen; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites Rhett Bourland wrote: > What are the fayalite values that determine > whether a certain meteorite is H, L, or LL? Hi Rhett and List, H chondrites usually have Fa14-Fa21. L chondrites usually have Fa20-Fa24. LL chondrites usually have Fa24-Fa33. Two things should be noted: 1) There is an area of overlap with regard to the H and L chondrites 2) We must be careful with the unequilibrated H3's, L3's and LL3's because they usually have a range of values and a peak value. When you plot the Fa values on a diagram, the three groups become easily recognizable. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites
Thank you!! Now the question must be asked, how does one determine the difference between 3's, 4's, 5's, and 6's? I understand that chondrules lose their boundaries and that the olivine and pyroxene become homogenous but what are the criteria to determine this? Thanks again, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: Bernd Pauli HD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Fred Olsen; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites Rhett Bourland wrote: > What are the fayalite values that determine > whether a certain meteorite is H, L, or LL? Hi Rhett and List, H chondrites usually have Fa14-Fa21. L chondrites usually have Fa20-Fa24. LL chondrites usually have Fa24-Fa33. Two things should be noted: 1) There is an area of overlap with regard to the H and L chondrites 2) We must be careful with the unequilibrated H3's, L3's and LL3's because they usually have a range of values and a peak value. When you plot the Fa values on a diagram, the three groups become easily recognizable. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites
What are the fayalite values that determine whether a certain meteorite is H, L, or LL? Thanks, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 12:24 PM To: Fred Olsen Cc: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Classification of Chondrites Fred Olsen wrote: > What are the criteria for determining the amount of change to > chondrules and determining their ranking from 2 through 7? Hello Fred and List, I think "metamorphism" is the magic word here. H.Y. McSween, Jr. gives the following definition in his book "Meteorites and Their Parent Planets": Recrystallization, in the solid state, of a rock in response to high temperature and sometimes pressure. > Is it totally subjective? No, it is absolutely objective (in most cases :-) Do these rankings ever get changed? Yes, reclassifications do occur every now and then. Davy (a) was classified as an L6 in the 4th ed. of the Catalogue and had to be reclassified by McCoy et al. (1997) - it is an L4 now. Dhofar 008 had originally been classified as a H3 chondrite but was then reclassified by M. Ivanova as an L3.2/3.3. Diprivier was originally an L6 but Tredoux et al. said it should be an L5 because it "did not experience such intense metamorphism" (Here is the word again!) Holbrook used to be an L6 chondrite but A.E. Rubin reclassified it as L/LL6 because of "its intermediate Co concentration in kamacite". So there are other parameters too. This leads me to Cole Creek which is a good "not so good" example :-) > L5 Cole Creek Slight correction: Cole Creek is an H5 chondrite. So far, so good (or bad). We discussed this about 18 months ago and when I got my Cole Creek thin section from Michael Blood, I got almost drowned in a sea of chondrules. But it does have a fayalite content (another important parameter) of 18.5 and this makes it clearly an H chondrite although not necessarily an H5 chondrite :-( This is not the end of the problem. There are several other H chondrites with a Fa content of 18.5 but they are H3 (Laundry East) or H3-4 (Tulia (a)), or H4 (Dhofar 013), or H6 (Dhofar 165), etc. So there are quite a few further parameters (the Fs value, the Wo content, shock stage, chondrule boundaries, occurrence of maskelynite or ringwoodite etc.) which define an "objective" classification. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Ad-Meteorites from A to Z sale
For those of you without one of these I would highly recomend buying one. Of all the meteorite books I own none of them get as much use as this one. Its small, it has plenty of info (all meteorites up to a certain date, locations, types), and, speaking from experience, Mike's pretty good about answering any questions you may have for him about something you see in the book. Best $20 meteoriticaly I ever spent, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 6:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Ad-Meteorites from A to Z sale Hi List I just wanted to let everyone know that we are almost sold out of our book "Meteorites from A to Z". If anyone is interested in a copy or maybe you want a second copy I'll sell them for $19 shipped in the US and $25 shipped most other locations. This offer is good only until the end of the weekend. If you are not familiar with the book check out our website for more info. It is listed below in the signature. Please note we no longer accept credit cards you will have to use PayPal. Thanks Mike Mike Jensen Bill Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 Web Site: www.jensenmeteorites.com Jensen Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: meteorite pronunciation
My vote goes to list member Dave "male model" Freeman. The other IMCA directors and I have been impressed by his professional modeling skills with the sweat shirt he made and I have a feeling his voice is just as wonderful. ;) Wadda ya say Dave? Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Gwilliam Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:55 PM To: Bob Martino; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: meteorite pronunciation At 09:26 PM 4/4/02 -0500, Bob Martino wrote: >There is a web site which teaches one how to pronounce star names. It >spells the name out, gives the phonetic spelling, and if you click on the >little button you'll hear a nice female voice actually say the name a >couple of times. > >Something like this could be done with meteorite names. That someone would >not be me, of course, as my tech skills are limited and my voice not sexy >enough. I nominate Anne Black. She has a very impressive voice. John John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
Orgueil = Or-gay Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation In a message dated 4/3/2002 2:33:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I mean, how DO you say "Gao Guenie"buggered if I know! I assume Gao rhymes with Tao. Guenie? You've got me. Rhymes with Benny? --Rob You got that one right! Gao like Tao, Guenie like Gwen - Knee Now who wants to try "Orgueil" or "L'Aigle" or "Tafassasset" ? Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation
Your pronunciation of Allende is correct Robert. I remember two things from 7th grade spanish. One is that when there are two ll's next to each other in a word its pronounced like a "y." The other is "Hola, me llamo es muy feo avion." I just took the class. I didn't say I did well in it. Best, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matson, Robert Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation Hi Tom, Jay and List, I posted a message to Meteorite Central about this very issue (pronunciation) last year, but no one decided to bite at the time. (I had asked about Ghubara). As for Allende, I've always pronounced it: Ah-yen'-day. How 'bout Sikhote-Alin? My guess has been: Si-ko'-tay Al-in'... --Rob -Original Message- From: Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:10 AM To: Jay Haynes; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite pronunciation I need some help too. Maybe one of you willing to make us few lists with names and pronuncations. Maybe many of us may realize that we spoke those word incorrect way. Tom Perry > Hi List, > > While writing out my talk I realized that alot of these meteorites have really > weird names and cant pronunounce them. Does anyone have a site or know where I > can actually get a way to figure them out. When i first started collecting I > always thought Allende was (allen-aid) huntil I found out it was (I-and-E). > The one that I am getting confused on is Mbale. Is it said like (M-Bale) or > (ma-bale)? > > > Clear Skies & Happy Hunting, > > Jay Haynes > > IMCA Member #:6905 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Thanks Mike!!!!
Hi Mikey, Hey, that's great!!! Don't forget the nice slice that Rob donated to the "guess its type" contest too. Sounds like Herbert got the best deal of all though. As for Dean's looking better than Mike's, that seems rather hard to believe. Granted, I know some falls can have pieces that look rather different I've not been able to tell much of a difference in the different pictures I've seen. Oh well, you've probably seen them both so would have a better idea. Glad to hear you like your piece! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thanks Mike I just got my piece from DEAN BESSEY and it's 5.1 grams The price was a big fat ZERO!!! Thanks Dean! Bessey's material looks alot better than Farmer's. xoxoxox, MC - Original Message - From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks Mike > I just got my piece of Bensour in. I couldn't really afford a big piece but > still wanted to get some. I got a beautiful 3+g fragment with one side > covered in nice dark black crust. I can't believe I got such a cool piece > for $14. Its beautiful! A little advice to anyone who doesn't have any > yet, go pay however much you have to to get some. You won't be > disappointed. > Thanks again, > Rhett Bourland > www.asteroidmodels.com > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thanks Mike!!!!
I just got my piece of Bensour in. I couldn't really afford a big piece but still wanted to get some. I got a beautiful 3+g fragment with one side covered in nice dark black crust. I can't believe I got such a cool piece for $14. Its beautiful! A little advice to anyone who doesn't have any yet, go pay however much you have to to get some. You won't be disappointed. Thanks again, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ode to Nantan........
There once was a man from Nantuckit Who kept his rusty Nantan in a bucket Clean it and save it he tried to do He got exasperated and kicked it with his shoe Much noise was made from this bust And the man's shoe was covered in rust Despite his love and all his cash He through the rusty Nantan into the trash Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Peace & Bensour
Personally, I couldn't care less about the market. I can understand some bargaining between a seller and a buyer but that's about it. Plain and simple, if you think someone is charging too much for any meteorite (Bensour or not) don't buy it and quit whining. I've bought meteorites that pretty much lost their commercial value over night that I can't trade for a weathered unclassified NWA as well as bought meteorites at a fraction of what they're worth and what I've sold/traded them for. I'm just as happy with each and every purchase I've made though because it just means that I got an incredible new space rock. If you don't like the price that another person is charging because you think its too high don't buy from them. If you're really good you'll do what you have to to get a bunch of it and sell it for what you think is a good price. I've bought from Mike, Dean, Rob, and the Hupes in the past with good results and will continue to buy from in the future when I think you have a meteorite worth however much you're asking and I have that much. Instead of arguing about the market and what not let's argue about chondrule formation or something like that. Best wishes to ALL, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Best Easter Fishes
<> I can't answer this question but I know there's a type of rock called San Benadinoite (or something close to that) that somewhat resembles chondrites. Its been a couple years or so since I've seen any (one of my friend's grandfathers is an old rock hound and he had some) but from what I can remember there are blue colored spherules set in a grey fine grained matrix. It almost looked like a phsychodelic colored chondrite with sparse, slightly larger than normal chondrules. I wish I could tell you more but its been a long time since I've seen any and I was just getting into meteoritics (and rocks in general for that matter) at the time so I didn't really know what types of observations to make. If I remember correctly the only place on earth you can find it is in some cave out in California. Weird stuff indeed! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tracy Latimer Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Best Easter Fishes Two parts... To all those who celebrate a spring holiday, Happy Easter, Passover, Spring Equinox, or other seasonal observance. Second, are there any terrestrial rocks that resemble pallasites, or is the mix of crystal and iron strictly a meteoric phenomenon? We're having an indoor Easter Egg Hunt at my library; we got a rare but welcome rain overnight, and our garden area is SQUISHY. Must go hide plastic eggs now... Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Name that tune is now over
Congratulations to Jay Haynes for being the first to identify the song "Alex Chilton" by The Replacements off their album Pleased To Meet Me. Also kudos to Geoff Notkin, Harlan Trammel, and Rob Brey for getting the correct answer. I've been a Mats fan for years and find that hardly anyone else even knows who they are, let alone any of their songs. I also find that I just about always get like other Mats fans very well which this contest proved once again. To read some hilarious stories about this band check out http://www.themats.com/stories.html. Shoot me an email with your address Jay and I'll have your Gao out ASAP. Thanks everyone and I'm off to listen to some Hootenany! Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Name that tune pt. 2
Hi all. Thanks to Harlan I'm upgrading my slice of Gao from 1.16g to 10g which means I've got an extra slice of Gao now. I could sell or trade it but that just doesn't seem right considering why I will soon have two slices so for anyone who can identify the song that these lyrics come from gets my old piece. You also have to ID the band that sings it and what album its off of. The reason I chose this song is it just happens to be what I'm listening to right now and its by one of my favorite bands who is no longer together. Anyways, free Gao slice with free shipping to whoever can guess the song. If he was from Venus Would he feed us with a spoon? If he was from Mars, wouldn't that be cool? Standing right on campus Would he stamp us in a file? Hangin' down in Memphis all the while. (chorus:) Children by the million Sing for Alex Chilton When he comes 'round They sing "I'm in love What's that song? I'm in love with that song." Cerebral rape and pillage In a village of his choice. Invisible man who can sing In a visible voice. Feeling like a hundred bucks Exchanging good lucks face to face Checkin' his stash by the trash At St. Mark's place. (chorus) I never travel far Without a little Big Star Runnin' 'round the house Mickey Mouse and the Tarot cards. Falling asleep with a flop pop video on. If he was from Venus Would he meet us on the moon? If he died in Memphis, wouldn't that be cool? (chorus) Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] free skyroc! name this tune for free gao!
The song is "Ramon" by Laurie Anderson from the album Strange Angels. Do I win? Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of harlan trammell Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] free skyroc! name this tune for free gao! "Last nite i saw a host of angels... and they were all singing different songs... and it sounded like a lawn mower mowing- mowing down my life. and up above, kerjillions of stars- spangled all over the sky; and they were spirals turning... turning in the deep blue nite. and suddenly, for no reason- the way that angels leave the ground... they lept in a kind of vortex- traveling at the speed of sound. and just when i started to go... just when i started to leave; i saw a man who'd fallen- he was lying on his back in the snow... and you, are falling. and you, are noone. and you are traveling- traveling at the speed of light. the first person who can correctly email me the name of the artist, song and album containing the above lyrics, will win a free 10g gao slice shipping included. Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Silent Giants, Meteorites and Singing
I know this is a bit late but I would also like say thanks to a few "silent giants" that all of us should be thankful for as well as a couple personal thanks. First of all, credit needs to go to Art Jones. Without Art we wouldn't have this list to discuss everything with to start with. I think we all owe a debt of grattitude to him for making this possible. Also, thanks to David Weir for his great website that I'm sure all of have used to learn about a new meteorite we just got. I don't know of any site out there that is as informative and useful as his. As for personal thanks, I'd like to say thanks to Geoff Notkin for going over the IMCA's website and giving some pointers on how to make it look so great. Thanks guys, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob and Colleen Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Silent Giants, Meteorites and Singing Hello all- Reading the posting below and those of the last several days has prompted me to direct your attention to folks like Mr. Elliot for a moment. Every bit as much a juggernaut in the meteorite trade but stays somehow removed from the petty bickering, politics and grandstanding. Somehow bent on philanthropy, fun and good nature. Take notice gentlemen, it's called class. To say "I have class" or "You have no class", well, that shows a lack of it. While I have never had a bad purchase with any dealer on this list and I do (and will continue to) purchase from just about all of them, there is a core group of soft-spoken, easy going, successful dealers that make being a collector a true pleasure. Mr. Elliot is one of them, certainly not the only, and their silence speaks volumes. I'm glad that Mr. Matson pointed out that Mr. Raab has a new meteorite on the way because Mr. Elliot wouldn't have. Silent giant. This is not a bandwagon for all of us to go off praising Rob Elliot, but to praise those of his kind. Mr. Elliot was the catalyst for this post but I can not begin to list the number of members who have helped, donated to, or advanced me in some way, out of pure goodwill. There are good deeds abound within this group, let's aim our sights there. Have at it folks, write about something nice that someone on this list has done for you, us, or others without expectation of reward. Pick a silent giant and make a post. There are certainly members that help us all on a regular basis right on the screen and we praise them often, but as for the unsung, silent giantslet's start singin' and drown out the vociferous. No hairs on the nightstands, no drinking problems, no calls to arms, no solicitations, -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 Matson, Robert wrote: Hi Rhett, Actually, Rob Elliott generously chose to exempt himself from the contest, and as Herbert Raab also guessed LL6 (prior to your post implying that guesses should be unique), Rob crowned him the winner. I believe the meteorite piece is already on its way... Congrats Herbert! --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I'm sick
Just a quick note to all the people who may have written to me over the past few days to say sorry I've not written back to you yet but I've got the flu and this is the first time in a few days I've felt well enough to get out of bed to even check my email. It'll probally be a few days until I write you back but just wanted to say sorry if you've been waiting a response from me. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] To My investors
Oh, and just for the record, I too have bought numerous pieces from both Mike and Dean in the past without any problems at all. I always felt both had their respective places in the meteorite community and have been greatful for both of them. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of dean bessey Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] To My investors >From: John Gwilliam Say John. Do you have some of farmers pubic hairs on top of your night table so that you can stroke them every night before you go to bed to? DEAN _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Final tally on Rob Elliott's contest entries
D'oh! Well, in that case, you've got my credit card information Rob (lord knows I've bought enough from you over the past couple of years or so) so just let me know how much was put on it to cover Herbert's shipping costs. Congratulations Herbert, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:47 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Final tally on Rob Elliott's contest entries Hi Rhett, Actually, Rob Elliott generously chose to exempt himself from the contest, and as Herbert Raab also guessed LL6 (prior to your post implying that guesses should be unique), Rob crowned him the winner. I believe the meteorite piece is already on its way... Congrats Herbert! --Rob -----Original Message- From: Rhett Bourland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:51 PM To: Matson, Robert; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Final tally on Rob Elliott's contest entries Looks as if Rob, the same person who offered the prize, got the correct guess on this one because it was certainly the best and closest. So, Rob, enjoy your nice new slice of this too cool meteorite! Rob, when I said I'd offer a few dollars to cover the costs of shipping. Please send me the bill to send the meteorite to the winner. First class all the way. ;) So, what do you say everyone? Shall we do this again the next time there's a new fall or find? I know I enjoyed it! Best wishes, Rhett Bourland __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] To My investors
Dean! Comments like this are totally unwarrented!!! I have no problems with your business practices (or anyone else's for that matter) because this is a free market and you can do whatever you like but this is just disgusting. I can understand some good natured ribbing (especially with John's poor taste in baseball teams) but stuff like this is totally out of line and personal attacks, especially ones like this, only go to totally weaken whatever point you may have had to begin with. You've gone on about how Mike and Joel Warren are alike but he's the only other idiot who would even think about making comments such as this. Expecting a public apology to all of us for exposing us to this sort of profanity, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of dean bessey Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 10:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] To My investors >From: John Gwilliam Say John. Do you have some of farmers pubic hairs on top of your night table so that you can stroke them every night before you go to bed to? DEAN _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Final tally on Rob Elliott's contest entries
Looks as if Rob, the same person who offered the prize, got the correct guess on this one because it was certainly the best and closest. So, Rob, enjoy your nice new slice of this too cool meteorite! Rob, when I said I'd offer a few dollars to cover the costs of shipping. Please send me the bill to send the meteorite to the winner. First class all the way. ;) So, what do you say everyone? Shall we do this again the next time there's a new fall or find? I know I enjoyed it! Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matson, Robert Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:03 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [meteorite-list] Final tally on Rob Elliott's contest entries Hi All, I guess with Alan Hupe's post, this contest is now academic. Too bad that there was already a known classification (which would taint the outcome of a serious contest). But it was all in good fun! Congrats to Rob and Herbert (and anyone else who ~wanted~ to take LL6, but couldn't). Since there was so much interest, we should try it again with the next fall (preferably prior to classification!) Or even the next interesting new find... Here's my final tally of the guesses for posterity. (How do we decide who was the furthest off? ;-)) --Rob M. -- LL6, brecciatedRob Elliott Diogenite Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded) L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab * L5 Rhett Bourland LL4-6 Rob Matson L/LL6 Frank Cressy L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn Polymict eucrite Dave Schultz Iron IIAB Dave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-)) Hematite noduleJeannie (also sandbagging) EL6Tracy Latimer L4 Jason Phillips L6, brecciated, w/shock veins Steve Schoner ** Howardite Ken Newton L5-6 Jeff K H5-6 Anne Black LL6Allen Shaw * H4 Andre Bordeleau LL5Phil Morgan (sent 8:53pm PST) *** LL5Dave Harris (sent 11:23pm PST) *** LL4Julien Courtois LL6/7 Christian Anger LL6, S4, W0, Fa 31 +/- 1 Adam Hupe (monomict microbreccia) !! EL5Steve Witt Lunar Jake Delgaudio (also sandbagging) AubriteRazvan Andrei LL7Simon de Boer Concrete w/asphalt inclusions Walter Branch (fellow sandbagger) -- * LL6 already taken ** L6 breccia already taken *** While Phil sent his guess first, it didn't appear on the list until after Dave sent his, so both should get credit !! I was going to give credit for specificity until I found out it wasn't a "guess" ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Winona/Canyon Diablo
Ok, after reading the other posts and especially after seeing this photo I have to back to thinking that the chances of Winona being from the same fall as all the Canyon Diablo's. I still wonder why the native americans would bury stones that they didn't see fall for themselves but the arguements put forth certainly seem to suggest that it what happened. Thanks to everyone who wrote back, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Martin Horejsi Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 11:31 AM To: Bernd Pauli HD; John Gwilliam Cc: Rhett Bourland; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Winona/Canyon Diablo Hi All, To say that Winona is weathered is an understatement. Imagine the rustiest, crustiest pile of fragments loosely bound, just barely overcoming the force of gravity...now apply the term weathered to it and you have Winona. Don't believe me, have a look at this pic. http://aristotle.isu.edu/winona.jpg Cheers, Martin On 3/12/02 9:25 AM, "Bernd Pauli HD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Gwilliam wrote: > >> so if the Winona meteorite is found to be similar to >> Canyon Diablo shale, isn't it a possibility that it >> was also a transported item? > > > Hello Rhett, John, and List! > > Unfortunately Winona is so very weathered that > no one has determined its terrestrial age yet :-( > > The o n l y allusion to its age that I could unearth is: > "... a find of uncertain age with heavily weathered metal." > > Reference: > > HERZOG G.F. et al. (1993) 26Al and 10Be activities of > Lodranites and Winona (Meteoritics 28-3, 1993, A362-A363). > > > Best wishes, > > Bernd > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] One of Deans emails.
Hey Dean, if you and Mike are going to fight that's one thing but that's no reason to bring Brice into it. He's the only person with more than a handful of meteorites that I've ever gotten to meet in person. He's a great guy that I really like. If by chance we're talking about a different Brice then I apologize but if not lay off. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] One of Deans emails. Havent you learned yet that you will always look > like a goof when you try and get me to look bad. It is > only because of spineless and gutless brice that you > still have a medium available to you so that you can > continue to hang yourself (Like you have done yet > again today). > Unlike idiot Farmer I know what I am doing when I > start making claims. > Cheers > DEAN Hey Dean, This "idiot" is going to break your face next time I see you, I am tired of your crap, you talk a little too much smack for your health! Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. I'll even chip in a few dollars to help cover the cost. This would work out great for both of you as well as it keeps people talking about your new meteorite and creates an even bigger buzz. Everyone post what your guess is for the classification of the new meteorite. It has to be public to count. I'll throw a website up with everyone's guesses. Since L6, LL6 and Diogenite have already been guessed I'll take L5. It doesn't appear to have many metal flakes but L chondrites can have some of the strangest stuff in them and its crust just doesn't look like an achondrite to me. I have to admit, it probally is L6 but Martin's already got that. Any other guesses out there? Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall Rob wrote: > It's a very fragile, almost crumbly meteorite that doesn't take a polish at > all, so you might have to concentrate hard when looking at the picture I've > posted here http://fernlea.tripod.com/newfall.html > The matrix had a much higher contrast when it was still wet with alcohol > coolant, but it looks very much blander when dry and it can be difficult to > see the small brecciation. I think LL6 is a pretty safe bet on this one, but > we'll see. Hmm! My first-second thought was: Could this be be another diogenite? The greenish tinge of the matrix and its fragile, crumbly matrix that doesn't take a polish at all definitely reminds me of Bilanga. And here is another bet: I BET I'll get a little piece for free from Rob if my guess should prove right because I was the first to recognize it as a diogenite :-) Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Is anyone else here into electronic gadgets or computers? I know I really am. When I have people over to my house for the first time they're usually more impressed that stuff than my meteorite, fossil, or artifact collection. Never mind the fact that I have moon rocks, Mars rocks, dinosaur bones, fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old that I found myself, Egyptian scarabs, or a piece of the Titanic brought up from the bottom of the ocean, they always love my gadgets and quite frankly, unless you're interested in scientific things I don't blame them. I don't buy as much stuff as I did before I started collecting meteorites (when you only have a limited budget for stuff you don't need you prioritize). What I do know though is that when new technology comes out it costs more. When DVD players first came out the cheapest, most bare bones modle was $500 and that was only if you could find them. I was ecstatic when months later I was able to get an open-box, close-out model for $240. Now you can go to Walmart and get one for around $100 that is better quality and can do more than the original ones that cost $500 could. Why am I talking about this stuff? To prove a point. When there are limited numbers of something available or something new it costs more. CR2's used to be so expensive because they were of very limited numbers and all the insane type collectors (self included) just had to have them despite the costs. Now that there are a lot of them the prices have gone down. If you want to buy this new meteorite at $15 a gram without knowing the classification because its something new and you have to be the first on your block to own one then go for it. To me, unless your sole reason in being into meteorites is to make money that's one thing (I know there are a handful of people who do that) but most of us do it as a hobby or a side way to make a little extra cash (that would be my area) quite whining about prices and the market. You wanna know how much a certain meteorite is worth? However much someone will pay for it. Obviously, if there's a high demand and limited supply then the price is going to be higher. Instead of having arguements about how much this new meteorite (or any other for that matter) is worth, let's talk about what kind it is. My 4 cents worth, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Hello Everyone! (Who might care) I would suggest one thing with this "New" Fall from Morocco. Before buying anywait until it is classified and wait until a ~ total known weight is known. Buying in the beginning can sometimes be smartbut often, until all the facts are known you will get a price burn. You might want to wait a bit.. If there is 100 kilos or more of this new fallit will be on ebay for $2.00 a gram (perhaps) in the near future. However, if there is only 10 kilos you might want to grab it now! You seethere is information missing here. and you could get a bad price burn by not having this information. When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram.. Also, I do not have any...nor do I plan on getting any in the near future. my advice about waiting is from personal experience with a meteorite collection now numbering well over 700 falls and finds. I mean. CR2,s were $200 to $500.00 per gram last year and now you could of bought some last week for $20.00 per gram! Be careful! In anycasejust a few personal thoughts Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Monturaqui Iron Shale - Which Classification?
Quite some time ago IA irons and IB irons were considered two different and seperate classifications but after some transitionary meteorites were found it was determined that IA's and IB's were actually the same thing so the classifications were joined together into the group that we have now - IAB. Hope this answers your question, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff K. Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:02 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Monturaqui Iron Shale - Which Classification? Hi List, Just wondering if anyone can comment on where Monturaqui Iron Shale is grouped. After searching various websites, some group it as 'IAB' and quite a few as just 'I'! Does it specifically belong to IA or IB; or just simply IAB? I wasn't sure & it tweaked my interest. Thanks, Jeff. http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Winona / Canyon Diablo connection
Hi everyone and especially Steve Schoner, Not too long ago there was discussion about a possible connection between the Winona meteorite and the many Canyon Diablos and something just didn't seem right about that but I just couldn't put my finger on it until recently. While from what I've read there certainly could be a connection between the Winonaites and type IA irons I really doubt that Winona and Canyon Diablo fell at the same time. The reasoning behind this is I thought that Winona was a witnessed fall by Anasazi indians. I've read the stories about how the Winona meteorite was found in an indian burial ground wrapped like a small child would be. The understanding behind this was that the indians saw it fall and buried the stone the same way a child would be buried because they thought that it was a dead star which would imply that they saw it fall. Really, how would they be able to recognize it as a meteorite had they not seen it fall? I also remember reading somewhere that this fall probably occurred somewhere around 1100 (please correct me if I'm wrong) which would make this meteorite less than a thousand years old. Does anyone have any data on a possible terrestrial age of this meteorite? I'm guessing that its probally considerably less than the age of Canyon Diablo. Comments anyone? Very respectfully, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Site redesigned and newsletter
Hello everyone. I hope this message finds you well. If you haven't been to the IMCA's website at www.meteoritecollectors.org since early Sunday morning I would like to invite you to come take a look at some of the changes that have been made. When I first got the site up and running the main concern was what was said on it and not really what it looked like. Well, with the help of some really great people the content was taken care of and now I've redesigned the website to reflect the professional level that the IMCA works at. If wanting to see the new look of the site isn't enough to check out the website then you can also go to see the first issue of "The Fusion Crust," the official newsletter of the IMCA that is editied by Martin Horejsi. So come on everyone, go check out the site and let me know what you think! Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] COOL METEORITE PHOTOS
I'm going totally out on a limb here and could quite easily be wrong. Anyone at all please feel more than free to point out any errors I may make. >From what I could see in the pictures the crust doesn't really look very glossy which would be indicative of either a howardite or Eucrite. If I'm wrong here please correct me Dean. If it were glossy it would because of the high calcium content so common with those types. For those same reasons I would knock the possibility of Shergottite out as well as they are also calcium rich achondrites. Looking through my collection I don't see any other meteorites that seem to have the grayish color that these have. So now that I've done my little reasoning to determine what they're not, I'll move on to what they could be. I have heard of troilite (a sulfur oxide which is about the same color as the ones you pointed out) inclusions in ordinary chondrites (though I don't remember for the life of me which ones or even what types). The nice black crust also resembles some that I've seen on very fresh ordinary chondrites. Dean, are there any metal flecks dispersed throughout the matrix of the rock? I couldn't really tell from the pictures. My best guess from what I've seen? An extremely fresh ordinary chondrite with troilite inclusions in them. A very cool piece undoubtedly but probably not a lunar or Eucrite. Like I said though, I could very easily be wrong here especially considering the quality of the photos. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland, who's happy to take guesses at what kind of a meteorite it is instead of having to tell someone that their rock is really a piece of burned wood. www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of dean bessey Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] COOL METEORITE PHOTOS I got a shipment of meteorites yesterday and included were these two. I thought that some of you might like to see some photos which includes some unusual gold coloured inclusions that look odd to me. I bought these two meteorites based on a photo but they were a lot nicer than I realized. My own photos dont do them justice. They are super cool. I think that these two meteorites are paired with a recently classified very unusual new type of Eucrite that we at first thought (Or at least hoped) was a new lunar as I think that I have seen this meteorite before but I have to compare them more and find out a little more information before I would say that definitively. Still, these two meteorites are just stunning no matter what they are. I hope somebody enjoys my photos anyway. I doubt that I will get these officially classified (Not that there is any lab time available to get classifications for desert meteorites nowadays anyway) but these are so nice whole that I dont feel like cutting them anyway. These are not cheap but I am taking offers on one or both. The two combined weighs 246 Grams See here: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/MAR-NWA.htm Cheers DEAN _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Worthy IMCA member
I really like Scott as well. I've had quite a few dealings with him and I know he's not on this list so he is one of the few people who I personally asked to join. Just for the record, he's already in the IMCA and is #2943. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Harris Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:19 AM To: metlist Subject: [meteorite-list] Worthy IMCA member Hi! Just some public thanks to Mr. Scott Brey (www.planetbreymeteorites.com) for the excellent swap of my regrettably crumbled Brenham for a superb Taza slice - which is beautifully presented and prepared too! He didn't need to do this - my Brenham was in my possession for nearly a year and I guess my proximity to the sea and the grindingly crap weather we have here in England caused my beloved Brenham to get galloping corrosion. Without a balk he gave me free reign to swap which I did for this Taza. And he did this as expeditiously as possible! Thanks Scott! -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org "I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n>2. However, it won't fit into my signature file" __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Daniel Wray
Daniel Wray, are you out there? If so could you please email me? Does anyone else have Daniel Wray's email address? Thanks, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: A NEW METEORITE DISCOVERY !!!!
I don't know, I think it sounds like a rather fun place to visit!!! :) Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: A NEW METEORITE DISCOVERY > The Midnight Meteorite- This is a 19 TON unclassified > not catalogued meteorite!!! Would this be the largest > meteorite in North America??? Sure . . . and it's right next to "The Town that Doesn't Exist," "The World's Only 'Star Trek' Church," and the "Weeping Jesus Rock." Lynchburg looks like a pretty nutty place. geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Eagle Butte - "Dr." Schimpf and the Royal Tyrell Museum
Hi all. Thanks for the plug there Mike! Actually, as the person who runs the IMCA, I've already acted on this one but have yet to get a result. Jim Hartman and I talked about possibly contacting this person and I've also been in private contact with Matteo. I emailed him today and told him that quite a large number (right around 90 or so right now) of meteorite enthusiasts are members and part of the being a member is backing other members up. I said that if they could provide me a detailed analysis from an accredited institution they could quite being harassed by all these angry collectors. Hey, they solve that whole "this is a fake" thing, get a lot of people off their back, and the whole meteorite community rests assured that this person really is selling authentic meteorites so its a good situation for everyone involved as long as they can provide the proof to back up their words and actions. As can be imagined, I've yet to receive any reply what so ever. Just goes to show that the IMCA is as good for collectors as it is dealers. Also, if you've not yet joined up and would like to just email off list and say you would like to be a member. To everyone who is a member, thanks for joining and even more thanks go out to those of you who have been using the logo on your eBay auctions to make this an even more valuable asset to collectors everywhere. Best wishes everyone, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tettenborn Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:08 PM To: Tracy Latimer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Eagle Butte - "Dr." Schimpf and the Royal Tyrell Museum The best thing for the knowledgeable collector is that these people will not be allowed into IMCA. With time and a little effort, IMCA will become a valuable asset to collectors world wide and make it more difficult for these fraudulent activities. Mike Tettenborn IMCA member 6316 - Original Message - From: "Tracy Latimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Eagle Butte - "Dr." Schimpf and the Royal Tyrell Museum > What pond scum! After their meteorite has been identified as a > meteorwrong, they go off and invent some official sounding title to sell > their fraudulent find to people who don't know better. If this didn't > happen almost constantly, I'd be stomping around demanding to know what > could be done about this. I suppose the only cure is knowledge and > caution. > > I'm supposed to know better, so I will simply laugh at myself. Ruefully. > > Tracy Latimer > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Garland meteorite
Diogenite, fell in the summer of 1950 around 11 a.m. and has a total known weight of 102 grams. I'm sure others may have more information on this but this is all that I have. Hope this helps, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of George Winters Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Garland meteorite I'm new to the list, and would like to communicate with anyone that has information on the Garland Meteorite that fell in Garland Utah during the summer of 1950. I'm looking for images, diagnostics, and locality data. George Winters Web Site Design and Administration River Heights, Utah 435-757-6017 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte
Hey, not trying to put ourselves up to the same level as the GIA but people like this are the reason that Ron, Jim, Anne, Steve, Anne, and I created the IMCA. So far, quite a few of the larger dealers have joined as well as many people who just collect and sell extra pieces from their private collcetion when they upgrade. Its also pretty safe to say that most of you have also probally seen one of the logos that Jim made on eBay and/or different people's websites. What's so great about all of this is that if you see someone using our logo then you know that they're constantly being watched by all the other 90 or so members to know that they're being honest and that this person would not be allowed to stay a member unless they can have their rocks classified by a respected lab. If you've not seen our website feel free to check it out at www.meteoritecollectors.org and if you want to join just make sure you're an honest enough person and email me privately. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tracy Latimer Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:18 PM To: Matteo Chinellato Cc: Meteoritecentral Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Other on Eagle Butte Awfully touchy, aren't they? Wonder just how many enquiries they've gotten from collectors wanting more information on their mystery rock. If you're selling "diamonds" and someone wants a GIA appraisal to make sure they aren't buying "glass", that's not unreasonable. Ranting about it just makes you more suspect IMHO. Tracy Latimer --oh, well, it's got to be a NICE meteorwrong :-( -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites
I couldn't agree more with Bernd's statements here concerning people always worrying and bickering about prices of meteorites. Plain and simple, how much is a certain meteorite worth? However much someone will pay for it. You don't get much more of an open market than with meteorites. I recently bought a piece of Lodran (thanks Steve Arnold!) that cost a bit more than I'm used to spending. Commercially speaking, was it worth it? Probally not but I really don't care because I didn't have any of this type of meteorite in my collection. Am I going to get angry at Steve because he charged a lot for it and call him greedy and say he's just so evil for it? OF COURSE NOT!!! I gave him a little more money than I would have prefferred but much much much more importantly I got a piece of this rare meteorite that I've been wanting for quite some time. Hey, for all that, I'm actually happy to kick in a little bit of a reward for him there for getting such an amazing and rare meteorite. I'm mostly a collector but do sell a few meteorites from time to time and have some on my asteroidmodels.com site right now. Admittedly, some of them are rather pricey but others are right at market value (market value being what I see most other people charging) if not below it. For obvious reasons I don't want to go into details about how much or how I aquired all of these but I will say that some of my larger proffits have come from meteorites that sold out in a day or two. Am I evil and greedy because I made a decent proffit from them? I don't think so because the people that bought them certainly seemed happy enough to have the pieces I sold them even though they may have payed a bit more than the average meteorite. In fact, some of the people who bought them have also bought some of the other meteorites that I've had for sale and they always seem happy enough to just have the meteorites that they get. My point in this email is this; if you're going to argue about anything concerning the NWA's argue about lack of a detailed recovery vs. volume of meteorites now in our collective possessions. Don't argue about who's the greedier dealer. Its simple, A meteorite, any meteorite be it NWA or classic historical fall of an extremely rare type, is worth however much someone will pay for it. If you think a meteorite costs too much don't buy it. Some of the pricier pieces in my collection I'm sure dealers have made some pretty good money off of me but I really couldn't care less because that just means that I have another wonderful rock from another world that I wouldn't be able to own without them. My 2 cents, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:02 AM To: LABENNE METEORITES Cc: dean bessey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Hot Desert Meteorites Luc a écrit: > ... and about the NWA, those returned recently from Marocco > say that the quantity they saw in not so bigger that before. Bonjour Luc, Hello List, I was just reading Christian Pinter's article about the 2001 Mineral and Gem Show in Munic in Meteorite, Feb 2002, Vol. 8, No. 1, pp. 38-39, when your post arrived here. There are three remarks in Christian's article that I would like to share with all of us: 1. Bruno: "But today there is only one tenth of what had been found in Morocco two years ago." 2. Ahmed Pani: "There is really less material coming from the Sahara now." 3. Erich Haiderer: "There is still enough out there for decades to come." > For me there are not good or bad meteorites, there are well documented or > poorly documented meteorites, well preserved or weathered meteorites, nice > or bad looking meteorites and scientifically important or not meteorites, with > all the intermediate states. I absolutely agree with the above words! Very often conversations about our love for meteorites oscillate between how exotic, common, or historical they are, and, on the other hand we complain (!) about the decreasing prices and monetary values of our Hot Desert meteorites. One list member wrote to me in a private mail that prices for historical falls like - say, Juvinas, Steinbach, etc. - will never decrease as much as the prices for those classified or unclassified NWAs. Again our views are shifting towards the financial investigation and away from our enthusiasm for those "heavenly messengers". A lunar is a lunar, a Martian is a Martian. I for my part collect meteorites because I love them, not because I want to investigate and make profits - after all I am not a dealer but a collector. When we started collecting these asteroidal "crumbs" many years ago, w
RE: [meteorite-list] ebay meteorwrong
OK, it probally would've helped if I put the URL in here wouldn't it? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1702560610 Sorry about that...... Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rhett Bourland Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:55 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay meteorwrong Hehehe, now just by the description alone I'm going to guess that this isn't a real meteorite. Then again, it was found in an enchanted forest. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Mike Martinez' Hat
Hey Bernd, The way I look at it, you give me information on some of my most obscure questions on meteorites so I'm more than happy to host anything you ask of me. Actually, if anyone else has anything like this that can be of use (humorous or informational) to the list email me and chances are I'll be happy to put it up on my website. Send me a picture and it shall go on my site, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernd Pauli HD Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:11 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Martinez' Hat Kevin, Chief Barking Nakhla Dog, informed our List: > Mike Martinez' ...main "contribution" was wearing a hard hat > inscribed "Meteorite Recovery Team" that featured adjacent > racks for liquor bottles and flexible straws for easy drinking. This "contribution" is an absolute "must see" :-)) I have a photo of that "gadget" (Twink shot it) and if Mike agrees, someone (perhaps Rhett?) might put it on his website for everyone to enjoy! Bernd P.S.: Little Correction: It's "Meteorite Dealer", not "Meteorite Recovery Team" on his hard hat. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ebay meteorwrong
Hehehe, now just by the description alone I'm going to guess that this isn't a real meteorite. Then again, it was found in an enchanted forest..... Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Somervell
I've got a piece of this meteorite thanks to NEMS. Kind of cool looking pallasite that so far has been stable (could be the pallasite, could be the preparation). The piece I have is around a couple grams and looks to be mostly olivine with not a lot of metal. I did a bit of searching and am pretty sure there's another site out there that has slightly larger pieces but I doubt they're of the same quality because every meteorite I've ever seen that came from NEMS is VERY well prepared. Hope this helps, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Harris Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:23 AM To: metlist Subject: [meteorite-list] Somervell Hi I just came across someone who has a specimen of Somervell pallasite - I have never heard of this material and notice in the catalog of meteorites that it has a small TKW of 11.8kg. Anyone else out there know anything about it or has any? thanks! -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org "I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n>2. However, it won't fit into my signature file" __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks)
What's really funny is I've been getting baraged by Joel Warren for calling Mikey out. Wow, Joel Warren is your strongest backer. What's that say about you? It actually got so low that he was harrassing me saying I just have bad genes. That's a pretty low place to go. Just for the record, the reason my son has his genetic disorder is it runs in my wife's family. All I know is that I'd be feeling pretty low if the only way I could attack a person was making jokes about their child that has something like what Ethan has. Its not a major disorder or anything but still not exactly something that I would think is fair ground. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Miconi Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:49 PM To: Michael Casper; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) Oh my God are you serious. You need to seriously consider NOT DRINKING YOUR OWN BATHWATER...IT is seriously effecting your mind. Actually anybody that read this will know it is you Casper. Anybody that would kiss ass this much is either in an asylum or should be. Casper you must think that everyone on this list is dumb enough to believe this is a real letter from a real person...but that would put us all on the same level as you and there is not that much room there. >From this point on all of your mail to my account is blocked. You have not contributed anything meaningful to this list since I joined and it is evident you never have any intention of starting to now or in the future. Thanks for reminding why the rest of the human race evolved. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Meteorite Central List(stinks) Hi Mr. Casper, It's been a few years since I have had contact with you (or theM.C.List) I was band from the list for life. I go and check the threads here and there and I saw they were giving it to ya like always. Not long after I was band from the list you sold your company. About 6 months after that, there was not one new fall worth a crap on the market. That's when it hit me! You were the SOURCE! Now the market is flooded with the NWAs and Saharas. I'm sorry you got out and thanks for the great job you did. If it was not for you and your connections, all i would have been able to buy would have been junk. Thanks Again, Mark S Jackson 2617 Keller Ave Norfolk Va. 23509 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks)
Hey Mikey, Tell Joel I really couldn't care less if he thinks I'm embarrassing myself on the list. I've actually gotten quite a few emails saying they think its great that there is someone calling you out for your crap but you don't see me posting them here. What's the matter Mikey, can't stand up for yourself? Besides, if the only people who you can get to back you up are people who are banned from posting on the list what does that say? As you've been so quick to point out yourself I can't really afford to buy hardly any right now so I don't care what the prices are. I buy what I can when I can. Personally I couldn't care less about "the market." I just like having my precious meteorites. Sure, I may buy and sell a few from time to time but you won't see me stressing if every meteorite suddenly loses all "value" over night. Besides, I really don't have any beef with you selling meteorites or anything. I just don't see why you continue to come on the list and start stuff. You never did answer me before, why you do that? I also find it rather odd that someone who claims to be as large as you say you practically begging people to bid on your auctions. Like I said before, I used to love going to your site when you had one. It was a pretty good looking site with lots of stuff. I just think you're a jerk. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) Hey MC, I sent this message to Rhett Bourland. Couldn't send it to the m-list, or else I would of. Feel free to do what you want with it... Best.. J. " Rhett, I'm doing this for your own good. You need to quit embarrassing yourself on the meteorite list. There are many lurkers on the list who have been around meteorites a very very long time. Most of the people you see posting to the list, like yourself, haven't been around all that long, and really don't know squat about the meteorite market. One of the reasons you can afford meteorites is Michael Casper. One of the reasons certain meteorites are now available is Michael Casper. If you really ever want to see rock bottom killer deals on meteorites, the reason will be Michael Casper. So, to see a novice like yourself refer to Casper as "Mikey", all you are doing is embarrassing yourself and showing your naiveté. Joel" - Original Message - From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) > Wow Mikey, when it comes to insults yours just keep getting better and > better! Then again, considering your remarks yesterday and what you just > said in this email makes me wonder how well you know the female anatomy. Oh > well Mikey, with all your money that for some reason you feel the need to > always tell us about that makes it all ok, right? Don't worry Mikey, it'll > all be ok. > Best wishes, > Rhett Bourland > www.asteroidmodels.com > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) > > > because you're a douche bag. > > > - Original Message - > From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:25 PM > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) > > > > Wow. That's nice Mikey. Why exactly are you sharing this with us? > > > > Rhett Bourland > > www.asteroidmodels.com > > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael > > Casper > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:06 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:48 PM > > Subject: Meteorite Central List(stinks) > > > > > > Hi Mr. Casper, > > It's been a few years since I have had
RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks)
Wow Mikey, when it comes to insults yours just keep getting better and better! Then again, considering your remarks yesterday and what you just said in this email makes me wonder how well you know the female anatomy. Oh well Mikey, with all your money that for some reason you feel the need to always tell us about that makes it all ok, right? Don't worry Mikey, it'll all be ok. Best wishes, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) because you're a douche bag. - Original Message ----- From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:25 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) > Wow. That's nice Mikey. Why exactly are you sharing this with us? > > Rhett Bourland > www.asteroidmodels.com > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > www.meteoritecollectors.org > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael > Casper > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) > > > > - Original Message - > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:48 PM > Subject: Meteorite Central List(stinks) > > > Hi Mr. Casper, > It's been a few years since I have had contact with you (or > theM.C.List) > I was band from the list for life. I go and check the threads here and there > and I saw > they were giving it to ya like always. Not long after I was band from the > list you > sold your company. About 6 months after that, there was not one new fall > worth > a crap on the market. That's when it hit me! You were the SOURCE! Now the > market is flooded with the NWAs and Saharas. I'm sorry you got out and > thanks for the great job you did. If it was not for you and your > connections, all i would have been able to buy would have been junk. >Thanks Again, >Mark S Jackson >2617 Keller Ave >Norfolk Va. 23509 > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks)
Wow. That's nice Mikey. Why exactly are you sharing this with us? Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Casper Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite Central List(stinks) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Meteorite Central List(stinks) Hi Mr. Casper, It's been a few years since I have had contact with you (or theM.C.List) I was band from the list for life. I go and check the threads here and there and I saw they were giving it to ya like always. Not long after I was band from the list you sold your company. About 6 months after that, there was not one new fall worth a crap on the market. That's when it hit me! You were the SOURCE! Now the market is flooded with the NWAs and Saharas. I'm sorry you got out and thanks for the great job you did. If it was not for you and your connections, all i would have been able to buy would have been junk. Thanks Again, Mark S Jackson 2617 Keller Ave Norfolk Va. 23509 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
