Re: [meteorite-list] Measuring Density
Hi folks If I may suggest a more meteorite friendly determination substitute the water for ethyl alcohol , with a correction of. 0.88? for the water density the fluid must be carfully & ecollogically disposed by dilution 10 - 14- 1 with carbonated water with a trace of quinnine and prepared for the disposal by passing through the human kidney. the determination may need repeating several times to reduce experimental error but no meteorites will be harmed during the process the murchisons & tagish may end up a tad less organic & the determinator may lose a little spatial resolution may even catch on ;-) searches are off at the mo deserts even more hostile god bless & all the best col - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Measuring Density Unfortunately the normal way to measure density( specific gravity) is to weight the stone UNDER WATER. This is compared to the weight in air. This give the displacement with water having a density of 1gm/cc. Howard Wu With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs
Re: [meteorite-list] Change of email address and eBay user name
way t'go Rob long live the dog! next full moon I'll give an axtra howlin now that the planet show has wound down back to medication G'blessall Colin ( not from ebay recent items) - Original Message - From: "Rob and Colleen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite Sale - Yahoo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 10:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Change of email address and eBay user name > Hello all- > To any who include myself or list members in general in their private > mailings, please note in your address books that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is > dead. My new email address is now [EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore, for > those who follow my auctions, I have changed my eBay ID to Nakhladog. > The lizard is dead, the dog lives. > Best > > -- > Rob Wesel > -- > We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Indirect Help
hi list Bernd & Jeannie Hear hear & that's without the YMCA ( oops IMCA ) I've got an '83 Range Rover that fits your description of the Diablo!! allthebest Colin - Original Message - From: "Bernd Pauli HD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Indirect Help > Jeanne wrote: > > > I have a problem and I'm hoping someone out there will be able > > to help me out. I recently purchased some material which was > > described as "Canyon Diablo Meteorites". Well, it turns out that > > I got a nice big baggie full of shale that came in a box with no > > return address. > > As far as I know this list comprises about 500 members. If this > person should not be willing to f u l ly refund you for this > "fraudful" offer, the list members should be told his/her name > so that no one will ever buy anything from this person. Just a > pinch but one that may echo far and wide! > > Best regards, > > Bernd > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mercury Meteorite Puzzle
Hi folks & greetings re the pallasite Q 2 ryals worth from Qatar from the frequency of fals /vs size , it appears to me that the majority of impacts are smaller ( why should impacts elsewhere be different from our observations (appart from a million reasons )) If the majority of meteorite ejecting impacts are lighter , then the surface layer would be the most affected since pallasites inhabit the boundary region of larger bodies, their total mass/ impact cross section ,would be more limited again reducing the frequency. If the meteor generating flux is considered uniform for our solar back yard & after allowing for gravity differentiation by other planets & the sun , & allowing for the probability of recognition , size of impact for meteorite escape &,& ..does the meteorite type distribution tell us the rock distribution of the solar system ie more mass ( or impact area ) for chondrites form smaller bodies,? puzzled & off to work now allthebest colin - Original Message - From: "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mercury Meteorite Puzzle > >>While it is still possible the parent body for the E chondrites and NWA 011 > >> may be Mercury or Venus, you can't rule out asteroids just yet either. > > > > > Both of these statements are incorrect. Both Mercury and Venus are > > differentiated bodies. Neither can be the source of "chondrites" of any > > kind. They could however the the source of various "achondrites". > > Since the planets are formed from chondritic asteroids, I don't think you can > rule them out just because the meteorite is a chondrite. > > > If people are interested in a mystery here is a big one. Pallasites are > > generally > > assumed to be from the core / mantle boundry. > > That is correct. > > >There are quite a few > > pallasites > > so their formation doesn't appear to be an unusual occurance. > > Actually, pallasites are on the rare side, particularly when you compare them to the > stony chondrites. > > >There are > > also a > > lot of irons from the core side of the boundry. > > In terms of number of falls, irons are also somewhate rare (but not > as rare as pallasites), but they are common in terms of total known weight. > > >There are however no, as in > > zero, meteorites with pallasitic type olivine crystals with out an iron > > matrix. > > Since the olivine crystals are only found in an iron matrix, that should > be your first big hint. Olivine is a common mineral in stony chondrites, though > not in crystalline form, as you noted. Since olivine is common in the stony chondrites, > then you would assume that the olivine was somehow converted to crystalline form > when it became a pallasite. > > > The mantle by volume would be larger than the core of most differentiated > > bodies. So where are the olivine meteorites? One would think they would be > > at least as abundent as the pallasites. Is the pallasite theory incorrect? > > My guess would be the olivine crytals came about when the chondrite layer interacted > with the molten iron core. Since the olivine is intermixed with the nickel-iron, that > implies that they were mixed together when the metal portion was in a hot molten form, > which futher implies the chondritic material was exposed to high temperatures and > probably some pressure as well. Due to the exposure to the high temperatures, > the olivine was converted to a crystalline form. That would explain why you only > see the olivine crystals only in pallasites, the boundary layer between the > metal core and the chondritic mantle. > > Ron Baalke > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dr. King collection ... and other arguments
greetings all well said & well put Piper, as an interested list lurker , Ron & Bernd's &tech input is fascinating. the laundry battles have lost their charm & makes one wonder why on the list ? water on mars who's gonna classify the first sedimentary meteorite ? back to lurking & searching allthebest colin - Original Message - From: "Piper R.W. Hollier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "wrecks463" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "metorite list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dr. King collection ... and other arguments > At 18:52 10/05/02 -0700, Rex wrote: > >Personally I think these arguments are kind of funny. Its sort of like > >sitting in the backyard listening to the neighbors fight. As long as > >nobody starts beating the crap out of their wife dont get involved, just > >sit back and watch the fireworks. > > Hello Rex and list, > > Admittedly every dogfight has some entertainment value. When the > participants are human rather than canine, who is to say that the spectacle > isn't even more amusing. Just the same, I don't look forward to the day > when most of the airtime of the six o'clock news will be replaced with the > Jerry Springer show. Nor do I consider this list the place for the kind of > cheap spectacles we have seen recently. > > If I am not mistaken, this list is intended to serve (primarily?) an > educational function. We are fortunate to have the participation of many > professional scientists and serious amateurs. When the level of discourse > degenerates to that of a barroom brawl, not only does that distract from > the main purpose of the list, but it may tend to convince serious > professionals who contribute so much to this list that they are wasting > their time here. Those of you who, like myself, have been on the list for > many years know that this is not a hypothetical concern -- we have seen it > happen before. This list would not be what it is without the frequent > contributions of Ron, Allan, Bernd, and a long list of other professional > GENTLEMEN who undoubtedly are not here for the name-calling, back-biting, > and four letter words. I have great respect for them for their willingness > to put up with the recent distractions. > > PLEASE, will those of you who are unable or willing to participate here in > a polite and civilized manner, take your gladiator matches to some other > arena. They don't belong here. > > Best regards to all, > > Piper Hollier > Amsterdam NL > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] happy day
Hi folks I've just got the classification results from my first find (& the first recognised meteorite in Qatar?) It is an H5 chondrite. The shock stage is S3 (undulatory extinction and planar fractures in olivine). got another very good prospect just poking its nose out of the ground ( only found it parking the range rover on easy terrain so that its temporary clutch hyd failure did'nt strand me !) & Xrf analysis shows a fair differance to the classified one. ( wonder if i can sell it still in the ground ? I know one Mohammed with the metal detector to die for desperate to find a meteorite!) all the best a happyhappy col __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorites tell of shocking experience in planetary formation
Hi folks for those who havent read the original yet , the link below is v interesting on chondrites another clody night & I aint seen the comet whassamatter with the arab gulf weather lately? G'bless all Col - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: Meteorites tell of shocking experience in planetary formation > http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0203/26planetform/ > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: earth meteorites on martian arctic strewnfield ?
hi list any sponsors for a meteorite hunt on Mars? allthebest Col ;-) - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 7:01 AM > Scientists say Martian spots worth a close look > http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0203/14marsspots/ > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Kitchen Comet Cows
mornin folks remember it Does anyone > here who doesn't regularly use Avagadro's Number or its thats 2 isnt it? any pear recipes? ortter work now col - Original Message - From: "Tracy Latimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bob Martino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Kitchen Comet Cows > What is your collective beef with Bill Nye the Science Guy? He was the > fellow who had the informative program illustrating the relative > distances and sizes of the Solar System. He started with a basketball as > the Sun in one end of a football stadium; Mercury was at about the 50 yard > line, by the time he got to Mars, he was on a bicycle... > > Fun and informative is IN. If someone learns something, whether in a > chemistry class with a teacher making flash paper (as I remember from Mr. > Barrow and 7th grade) or from a comic book version of the Iliad, I think > it's a good thing. As long as the teaching method doesn't hurt anyone or > anything, if it causes someone to learn, it's successful. Does anyone > here who doesn't regularly use Avagadro's Number remember it or its > significance without a catchy jingle learned in Chem class? > > Tracy Latimer > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Eagle Butte - "Dr." Schimpf and the RoyalTyrell Museum
Hi listees so the mystery deepens my 2 dhirams worth PhD Phallus Deficiency syndrome T L Turrets? emaiL syndrome as she seems to enjoy the odd misspell ( kettle calling ! ) Iwonder if the trustee is in fact a trusty at another kind of more closed institution. and the worst of all for mankind the beastrix has already spawned ! save yourselves & take cover :`) Col - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Eagle Butte - "Dr." Schimpf and the Royal Tyrell Museum > > In regard to the rather astonishingly crude and unprofessional emails Matteo > has been receiving from the self-styled member of the Board of Trustees of > the Royal Tyrell Museum in Alberta, I sent a polite email to the Museum, > explaining the situation in nonaccusatory terms, and asking about Dr. > Schimpf's relationship, if any, to the institution. They have very kindly > emailed me back, as follows. The response is not surprising, but gratifying > to know. Hmmm, I just might have a few spare moments to write a little > colorful email todayMatteo, what was that email address for "Dr." > Schimpf, again?! > (Anyone else?) > > Gregory > > __ > > _ > > Dear Mr. Wilson, > In response to your recent email, the Royal Tyrrell Museum is not governed by > a board of trustees. Our Cooperating Society, which is a non-profit > organization which supports the operation of the Museum, is made up of a > 10-member board. However, T.L. Schimpf is not one of its members - nor have > we heard of this individual. > > The Royal Tyrrell Museum focuses on Alberta's palaeontological history and is > not directly involved in the study or exhibition of meteorites. > > I hope this clears up any misunderstandings. > > Sincerely, > Marty Eberth > Media and Community Relations > Royal Tyrrell Museum > PO Box 7500 Drumheller, Alberta, Canada T0J 0Y0 > > __ > > > > Dear good Museum folks, > > A person by the name of T.L. Schimpf has been defending the sale of an > alleged Canadian "meteorite" on ebay, named "Eagle Butte". This meteorite > name is not recognized by the Meteoritical Society, and potential buyers have > been emailing this person accordingly, questioning the "meteorite's" > authenticity. There have alledgedly been email responses from this Dr. > Schimpf, who claims to be on your Museum's Board of Trustees, which have been > threatening, obscene and astonishingly unprofessional. > > If this person is not associated with your Museum, and is merely dishonestly > claiming to be, I think it's important that you know that someone is > fraudulently representing you. And if this person does represent your > Museum (and is doing such a poor job of it) and is knowingly endorsing the > sale of a fraudulent meteorite, I would think you would want to know that, > too. > > Either way, it appears your good Museum may have a problem. Those of us > concerned are only interested in establishing the truth, so I welcome your > comments. Thank you very much. > > Gregory Wilson > I.M.C.A. #5877 > 2118 Wilshire Blvd #918 > Santa Monica, CA 90403 > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] tales of Mohammed in the desert
Hi folks & greetings Don't panic this is from Doha, not Mo in Dhofar warraya mean it looks the same 12 time zones away ? My new found best mate Mo form Doha , I've got to visit his place ..possible iron found near Zubara. Apparently an inveterate anomaly collector from the desert & frequent sample sender to Mr Haag. We were talking about searching for desert dog killers & he mentionned that he'd asked Sd Al Hajiri ( famous roundabouts here) rally driver "had he ever seen strange dark rocks when on the Qatar rally. Yup was the reply ( or even nam ) .. the following French team stopped & collected them does this jingle anyones memory... he wasn't specific which year the rally was . I'd be interested to know if anything interesting was found all the best & back to lurking at the btm of the waddi Col __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Opinion about strange meteorite
evening all m'siur re venifact it is good , non ? , zat we should not discuss " making ze bad wind " amongst such an international gathering of such 'igh and profound emanence , wether our rocks weather or not . appologies & G'bless col - Original Message - From: "Robert Verish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:20 AM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Opinion about strange meteorite > To Dave, Michael, John, Rob, the other Dave, and every > one who helped Vincent translate "ventifact": > > It's a good thing that I suggested for somebody who > can speak French to explain what a "ventifact" is to > Vincent, because it turns out that there is a French > word that is spelled like "ventifact", but it is VERY > insulting. So remember, if a French-speaking person > shows you a meteorwrong, don't say "ventifact"! > > Just for the record, I do know what a ventifact is, > and I have seen many of them in my travels in the SW > US deserts. In fact, some of the ventifacts that I > have collected have been used as "viewing stones" in > suiseki and bonsai arrangements. > > I am a member of The National Bonsai Foundation, and > The North American Viewing Stone Society (their > 20-page color-photo newsletter "Waiting To Be > Discovered" is, in itself, a work of art). You can > find more info' on "viewing stones" at these web > sites: > > http://shimagata.tripod.com/vsclass.htm > > http://www.bonsai-nbf.org > > Enjoy, > Bob V. > > --- Michael Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Robert Verish wrote: > > > I don't speak Vincent's language, so could someone > > > else explain to him what a "ventifact" is? > > > Bob V. > > - > > Hay Bob, > > Aparently it is "recognized in English speaking > > countries" - but not > > by us clods. Eh? > > Michael > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SOHO's Private View Of A Sunbathing Comet
hi list Having just returned from UK (-2 at noon ) to Qatar (+22 at midnight } I was puzzled by the streak on the SOHO screensaver image ( works ISDN ) thought the uv detector had finallt succumbed to a mischief , the particle storms can be very impressive mystery solved thanks Ron althebest & back to the flu remedy Col - Original Message - From: "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] SOHO's Private View Of A Sunbathing Comet > > > ESA Science News > http://sci.esa.int > > 08 Jan 2002 > > SOHO's private view of a sunbathing comet > > You could see it easily with your unaided eye (but don't try!) if only > Comet Machholz 1 were not so very close to the Sun. This unusual comet, > reputed to flare up a lot, is today sweltering only 18 million > kilometres from the Sun. This is its closest approach on an orbit that > brings it back to the solar vicinity every 63 months. The best and > perhaps the only view of it at this time comes from the ESA-NASA > sunwatching spacecraft SOHO. > > "It's great to see Comet Machholz 1 doing well in these SOHO images,' > says Don Machholz, who discovered it in 1986, as an amateur observing > in California. "I'm pleased to join you for these next few days as the > comet crosses the field." > > The LASCO coronagraph on SOHO, designed for seeing outbursts from the > Sun, uses a mask to block the bright rays from the visible surface. It > monitors a large volume of surrounding space, and as a result it became > the most prolific discoverer of comets in the history of astronomy. > Most of them are small sungrazer comets that burn up completely in the > Sun's hot atmosphere. > > Seen today with an impressive tail, Machholz 1 is a more robust, but > puzzling comet. No one is sure of the reason for its frequent outbursts. > Whether its icy nucleus is 1 kilometre or 10 kilometres wide is also > uncertain. > > "Experts will look closely at the LASCO images, and at other images > from our ultraviolet coronagraph UVCS as well," says Paal Brekke, > ESA's deputy project scientist for SOHO. "We already know it's > unusually bright in the ultraviolet. Maybe we'll find out why Machholz > 1 is idiosyncratic." > > SOHO is a project of international cooperation between ESA and > NASA. The spacecraft was built in Europe for ESA and equipped with > instruments by teams of scientists in Europe and the USA. NASA > launched SOHO in December 1995, and in 1998 ESA and NASA decided to > extend its highly successful operations until 2003. > > USEFUL LINKS FOR THIS STORY > > * Movie of Comet Machholtz 1 > http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST/current_c3.mpg > * More about this comet > http://comets.amsmeteors.org/comets/pcomets/096p.html > * More about SOHO > http://sci.esa.int/soho/ > > IMAGE CAPTIONS: > > [Image 1: > http://sci.esa.int/content/searchimage/searchresult.cfm?aid=14&cid=12&oid=29 213&ooid=29212] > Comet Machholz 1 seen close to the Sun by SOHO on 8 January 2002. The > mask in the LASCO coronagraph hides the bright Sun, the size of which > is shown by the inner ring. > > [Image 2: > http://sci.esa.int/content/searchimage/searchresult.cfm?aid=14&cid=12&oid=29 213&ooid=29214] > SOHO also saw Comet Machholz 1 at its closest to the Sun in 1996, > although not as plainly as in 2002. > > These images of Comet Machholz 1 were obtained by SOHO on 14 and 15 > October 1996. Both were obtained by the Large Angle and Spectrometric > COronagraph (LASCO, C3). The top image was obtained on the 14th at > 13:54:06 UT. The bottom image was obtained on the 15th at 00:30:05 UT. > The images were processed by Gary W. Kronk from the FTS images. The > contrast of the images was increased to enhance the tail. Subsequently > the Sun's corona is more overexposed than in the original images. > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
