Re: [meteorite-list] Christies auction results

[Dave Pensenstadler via Meteorite-list]

So my 26 lb. Campo is now worth nearly $500,000??!!  Anyone want to buy it?

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> On Feb 24, 2021, at 12:19 PM, Albert Jambon via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ever heard of money laundering?
> 
> 
>> Le 24/02/2021 à 15:44, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list a écrit 
>> :
>> I wish the person who paid $350,000.00 USD for a 4-inch Muonionalusta
>> sphere would send me some of what they were smoking during the
>> bidding. LOL.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/23/21, Kevin Kichinka via Meteorite-list
>>>  wrote:
>>> Team Meteorite:
>>> 
>>> Who needs Bitcoin, when you can own meteorites?
>>> 
>>> Please review the prices paid/gram for EVERYTHING/ANYTHING!
>>> Consignors were well rewarded.
>>> 
>>> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/2006
>>> 
>>> Kevin Kichinka
>>> Directly under Betelgeuse tonight...
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Dave Smith via Meteorite-list]

 Although our paths never crossed, I realize that Dave Gheesling's passing is a 
great loss to the meteorite collecting family around the world. My condolences 
go out to his family and close friends.Dave Smith
On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 07:08:24 PM CST, Karen Ziegler via IMCA 
 wrote:  
 
 Beautiful, Gary. Thanks!


On 11/12/20, 10:48, "IMCA on behalf of Gary Fujihara via IMCA" 
 wrote:

      [EXTERNAL]

    Just a humble tribute to Mr Falling Rocks

    https://youtu.be/_T-obxcklnk

    Gary Fujihara
    Big Kahuna Meteorites
    PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
    (808) 640-9161
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

    > On Nov 12, 2020, at 6:40 AM, Darryl Pitt via IMCA  
wrote:
    >
    >
    > For those who didn’t know Dave, focus on Sean’s words and deeply believe 
him. Dave’s positivity, generosity of spirit and capacity for friendship and 
love are a marvel. For those who know Dave, you know precisely what I mean.
    >
    > Might I suggest we give an extra kiss to those we love as the fates can 
be capricious — and rarely more than they are right now.  This heartbreaking 
news has brought me to my knees and take pause.
    >
    > With heartfelt condolences to all those bereaving this sorrowful, 
inconceivable turn.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >> On Nov 12, 2020, at 12:56 AM, Sean T. Murray via IMCA 
 wrote:
    >>
    >> Folks,
    >> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this 
evening.
    >> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to 
process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to 
express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how 
blessed I was to have known the man.
    >> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his 
enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been an 
important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as his 
legacy for many decades to come.
    >> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were 
only able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you 
need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the time 
they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as they are 
available.
    >> Yours,
    >> Sean Murray
    >> 678-367-7095 (cell)
    >> --
    >> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or 
later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume room 
temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a few 
decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are once again 
stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she wrote.”
    >> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
    >> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
    >>
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hessle

[Dave Smith via Meteorite-list]

 Hello Fellow Collectors:
I was wondering if anyone out there had small specimens of Hessle available?  I 
have a friend who's birthday is Jan. 1, and he thought it would be cool to have 
a small piece of a meteorite that fell to Earth on Jan. 1, also.  I'm looking 
for something in the $25 to $ 40 range.  
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[meteorite-list] Dealer?

[Dave via Meteorite-list]

 

 Please delete this if it is inappropriate.

The Kalamazoo Geological and Mineralogical Society is searching for a meteorite 
dealer for our rock and mineral show the end of April. 
Our current dealer has retired and we are looking to replacing him. 
If interested, I can be contacted at stonehouser...@cs.com. and provide you 
with the particulars on the show.
(We are on Facebook at Kalamazoo Rock Club if you would like to look the club 
up.)
Thanks,
David Haas
President, KGMS
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[meteorite-list] Meteor Crater salt/pepper pot on eBay

[Dave via Meteorite-list]

Hi folks

Long time erstwhile lurker here... just put a souvenir meteor crater 
salt on eBay for your perusal.


If anyone is interested...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/272282978919?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT


dave





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[meteorite-list] SALE AMENDED - Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 157, Issue 32

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
The game numbers have changed. Soon after I posted my last offer (see well 
below), four people purchased four (4) of the 29 specimens. That changes the 
numbers, obviously. So here is an amended offering of 25 specimens.


Hi All,
For those people who may be interested. I have 25 meteorite specimens up for
sale on ebay with a "Buy It Now" total value of $1,984.96 USD. I want to
sell all 25 specimens at once so I can end dealing with ebay. In order for
me to do that, I will have to end the entire ebay "Buy It Now" 30 day sale
and pay the 10% sale value added penalty of $198.50 USD. That brings my
total "down" (loss) to $1,786.46 USD. I will offer an additional 25%
discount to any buyer on the final sale amount of $1,786.46 USD which will 
be

$1,339.98 for all 25 specimens. Since this is not an ebay business
transaction and most of you are my colleagues or friends, you must PayPal me
as SEND MONEY TO FAMILY OR FRIENDS, not as a purchase. Or, send me a check.

Shipping will be free to any USA address.

NOTE: Each specimen is accompanied by a black or blue 3-ring, clear cover,
Provenance/ data portfolio containing the chain of Provenance and pertinent
data concerning the scientific, social, anthropological, economic, and
geographical/ geological impact of the meteorite event, if and/ or when
available and provided by/ from my data research.

It's a great deal. Think about it and send me a private message if you're
interested. You can see the specimens here:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XRibeca.TRS2&_nkw=Ribeca&_sacat=0

Or, you can type in "Ribeca" in the ebay search box.

Thanks, everyone.

David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050

**

THIS OFFER, BELOW, HAS CHANGED (See Above)
Hi All,
For those people who may be interested. I have 29 meteorite specimens up for
sale on ebay with a "Buy It Now" total value of $2,339.95 USD. I want to
sell all 29 specimens at once so I can end dealing with ebay. In order for
me to do that, I will have to end the entire ebay "Buy It Now" 30 day sale
and pay the 10% sale value added penalty of $233.99 USD. That brings my
total "down" (loss) to $2105.95 USD?. I will offer an additional 25%
discount to any buyer on the final sale amount of $2105.95 USD which will be
$1,579.46, for all 29 specimens?. Since this is not an ebay business
transaction and most of you are my colleagues or friends, you must PayPal me
as SEND MONEY TO FAMILY OR FRIENDS, not as a purchase. Or, send me a bank
check.

Shipping will be free to any USA address.

NOTE: Each specimen is accompanied by a black or blue 3-ring, clear cover,
Provenance/ data portfolio containing the chain of Provenance and pertinent
data concerning the scientific, social, anthropological, economic, and
geographical/ geological impact of the meteorite event, if and/ or when
available and provided by/ from my data research.

It's a great deal. Think about it and send me a private message if you're
interested. You can see the specimens here:

Or, you can type in "Ribeca" in the ebay search box.

Thanks, everyone.

David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050 


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[meteorite-list] SALE - Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 157, Issue 31

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
For those people who may be interested. I have 29 meteorite specimens up for 
sale on ebay with a “Buy It Now” total value of $2,339.95 USD. I want to 
sell all 29 specimens at once so I can end dealing with ebay. In order for 
me to do that, I will have to end the entire ebay “Buy It Now” 30 day sale 
and pay the 10% sale value added penalty of $233.99 USD. That brings my 
total “down” (loss) to $2105.95 USD…. I will offer an additional 25% 
discount to any buyer on the final sale amount of $2105.95 USD which will be 
$1,579.46, for all 29 specimens…. Since this is not an ebay business 
transaction and most of you are my colleagues or friends, you must PayPal me 
as “SEND MONEY TO FAMILY OR FRIENDS, not as a purchase. Or, send me a bank 
check.


Shipping will be free to any USA address.

NOTE: Each specimen is accompanied by a black or blue 3-ring, clear cover, 
Provenance/ data portfolio containing the chain of Provenance and pertinent 
data concerning the scientific, social, anthropological, economic, and 
geographical/ geological impact of the meteorite event, if and/ or when 
available and provided by/ from my data research.


It’s a great deal. Think about it and send me a private message if you're 
interested. You can see the specimens here:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.XRibeca.TRS1&_nkw=Ribeca&_sacat=0Or,
 type the word “Ribeca” in the ebay search boxThank you, everyone.David L. RibecaIMCA Member 4050-Original 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 157, Issue 15

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Ken/ Anne,
I reported every single suspect specimen he has for sale as "fraudulent". 
Ebay has not taken action yet


D. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050

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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Chelyabinsk

Contributed by: Steve R. Anold

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=03/12/2016


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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 11:36:44 -0500
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Hi All,
I know newbies frequent the List and I just wanted to share with them a
"heads-up" for the following eBay suspect meteorite seller : michaeteged0

Ebay Auctions : http://tinyurl.com/jyekqch

Questions to seller : http://tinyurl.com/j2feshe

Best,
Ken Newton
meteorite-identification.com
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Thank you Ken for letting us know and for keeping up this on-going fight.

That guy is either stupid or a conman.
So it goes back to the old saying: "Know Who You Buy From"
Or buy only from IMCA members!


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


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To: meteorite list 
Sent: Sat, Mar 12, 2016 8:03 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] For Newbies - Ebay Suspect Seller



Hi All,
I know newbies frequent the List and I just wanted to share with them a 
"heads-up" for the following eBay suspect meteorite seller :?michaeteged0



Ebay Auctions :?http://tinyurl.com/jyekqch


Questions to seller :?http://tinyurl.com/j2feshe


Best,
Ken Newton
meteorite-identification.com
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[meteorite-list] AD - The David L. Ribeca Collection - Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 157, Issue 7

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All.
For those who may be interested I just reduced the prices on all of my 
42 remaining collection specimens that I had decide to sell. The vast 
majority come with free shipping to the U.S. They will all be offered as a 
"Buy it Now" option. You may want to take a look and see if you can fill 
some needed gaps in your collection, I can work off ebay with my offered 
specimens and save you shipping costs if you are living abroad, but the 
prices have been reduced as far as I can reduce them, sorry. Take a quick 
look!


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.Xribeca.TRS1&_nkw=ribeca&_sacat=0

David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050



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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Sikhote Alin

Contributed by: Sergey Afanasyev

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=03/05/2016


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Aloha,

Unclassified NWA 2.3kg complete flight oriented chondrite. The stone is one 
of the best I?ve seen. There are radial flowlines and contraction cracks on 
both leading and trailing edge crust (1mm deep), there are some small areas 
where crust spalled off, most likely from impact, but the leading edge is 
intact. You can see it on eBay here:

http://tinyurl.com/heonl46

Henbury iron meteorite replica was made from a cast of the original 
meteorite. It has been painstakingly recreated with special detail given to 
the color and texture of the stone. The approximate size of the cast is 8 x 
7 x 3 inches and weighs 1400g.

http://tinyurl.com/z6jj3by

And BK?s regularly scheduled eBay auctions end tomorrow, Saturday, March 5, 
beginning at 9:00am Pacific / 12:00pm Eastern / 5:00pm London / 7:00pm 
Helsinki / 12:00am Singapore. FREE Worldwide shipping on select meteorites.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html



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Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay - Meteorite Thin Sections
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Hello All,

on ebay, I have 24 great meteorite thin sections for sale:

http://kuerzer.de/VQSgudtM7

Thank you,
Peter

Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747
http://www.thinsections.ch
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com


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[meteorite-list] AD: For Sale - 73 Remaining Collection Specimens

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
I have 73 remaining collection specimens up for sale on ebay. Once these are 
gone I will have sold the portion of my collection that I had planned. I 
have reduced the prices of many for the last time. From late January on, all 
remaining specimens will be available on ebay at a "Buy Now" offer only. If 
you see something you like, without a bid, contact me off ebay. Also, hold 
deposits are welcome.


~1 Day and 16  Hours left - 73 remaining collection specimens as of 1/9/16, 
9:30am, ET.


- 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.XRibeca.TRS2&_nkw=Ribeca&_sacat=0


Thank you to all the meteorite people who have purchased the majority of my 
collection over the past five months, or so. You people are the BEST! Please 
take good care of my specimens


David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050



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Hi List, I love the romantic idea that asteroids will be mined one day. 
However considering that on Earth whole terrestrial?mines are shut down that 
contain ore or oil cheaper to?obtain than sending a space x rocket and crew 
(or robot) to an asteroid. I hardly think mining asteroids will eventuate 
anytime soon.



Even if we used space x re-usable rockets... It just would not be cost 
effective at the moment!



Mining water or low scale mining as we explore space might be the first 
step, this saves a re-fuelling or a?water trip.



look at China and the world markets, massive slowing down (and disappearing) 
?of capital.



-Apple just lost like 20% or so, that equivalent to the size of Pepsi in $
-China down at least 3 trillion!
-Australia down 40 billion at least
-Oil companies writing off reserves that cannot or?will not?be explored 
within 5 years (and this stuff is cheap compared to asteroid mining)



So in all REALITY it is just a pipe dream for now


Cheers


Ian










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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 00:00:21 -0700
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 10256

Contributed by: Geoff Notkin/Aerolite Meteorites

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=01/08/2016


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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:56:11 +
From: Peter Davidson 
To: "impact...@aol.com" , "Meteorite List
(meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com)"

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year to the World
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Anne and all the Meteorite Community

Wishing all my friends and acquaintances around the globe a very happy and 
successful New Year from bonnie Scotland. I hope to see a few of you in 
Tucson again.


A guid New Year tae yin an' a'.

Good hunting

Peter Davidson
Senior Curator of Mineralogy

Natural Sciences Department
National Museums Collection Centre
242 West Granton Road
Edinburgh
EH5 1JA
TEL: 0131 247 4283
E-mail: p.david...@nms.ac.uk

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year to the World

OK, Michael,


HAPPY NEW YEAR TO MOST O

[meteorite-list] AD: - David L. Ribeca Collection

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
For those who may be interested and still have enough money left over after 
the Christmas season to buy a specimen to add to their collection. 82 
collection specimens are now up for sale on ebay. Many with reduced prices. 
Many rare, Vrare, Xrare, historic, many falls, and a few with great 
stories. Check it out!  Remember, you can contact me directly if you see 
something for your collection that you may be interested in and there are NO 
bids. Ciao!


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.Xribeca.TRS2&_nkw=ribeca&_sacat=0

Happy New Year,
David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050




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  3. Re: Happy New Year to the World (Michael Mulgrew)
  4. Re: Happy New Year to the World (Anne Black)
  5. HAPPY NEW YEAR! (Sean Brooks)
  6. Farewell Old Year... Welcome New Year!!! (Greg Hupe)


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 00:00:22 -0700
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Tauti

Contributed by: Anne Black

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/31/2015


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:28:43 -0500
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Everyone, Everywhere,

Happy New Year !!!

Happiness and Good Health to everyone.

John Lutzon
IMCA#1896


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:18:48 -0800
From: Michael Mulgrew 
To: John Lutzon 
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Not quite everyone everywhere, John.  It's often easy to assume the
whole world does everything like we do, but there are a multitude of
cultures and belief systems to take into account.  Here's a small list
of countries and people who do not follow the Gregorian New Year (from
wikipedia):

Ethiopian New Year called Enkutatash. It is celebrated on September 11
(September 12 in leap years).

The Odunde Festival is also called the "African New Year" is
celebrated in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the United States on the
second Sunday of June.

Cambodian New Year (Chaul Chnam Thmey) is celebrated on April 13 or April 
14.


Chinese New Year is celebrated in many countries around the world. It
is the first day of the lunar calendar and is corrected for the solar
every three years.

Korean New Year, called Seollal, is the first day of the lunar calendar.

Thai New Year is celebrated on April 13 or April 14 and is called
Songkran in the local language.

Vietnamese New Year normally falls between 20 January and 20 February.

In the Gwaun Valley, Pembrokeshire, Wales the new year is celebrated
on January 13, based on the Julian calendar.

Hijri New Year in the Islamic culture is also known as Islamic new
year is the day that marks the beginning of a new Islamic calendar
year. New Year moves from year to year because the Islamic calendar is
a lunar calendar.

Nowruz marks the first day of spring and the beginning of the year in
Iranian calendar. It is celebrated on the day of the astronomical
vernal equinox.
Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish new year, falls during September or October.

Hindu in Assam, Bengal, Kerala, Nepal, Orissa, Punjab and Tamil Nadu
celebrate the new year when the Sun enters Aries on the Hindu
calendar. This is normally on April 14 or April 15.

Unlike most other calendar systems in India, the New Year's Day on the
Malayalam Calendar is not based on any astronomical event. It is just
the first day of the first of the twelve months on the Malayalam
Calendar.

The Sikh New Year is celebrated as per the Nanakshahi calendar. The
epoch of this calendar is the birth of the first Sikh Guru, Guru Nanak
in 1469. New Year's Day falls annually on what is March 14 in the
Gregorian Western calendar.

Sinhalese New Year is celebrated in Sri Lankan culture predominantly
by the Sri Lankan

[meteorite-list] AD: 64 Collection Specimens

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

CORRECTION
Hi All,
64 collection specimens are up for sale. The auction ends in ~15 hours,
tonight, 12/30/15, ~9:00 Eastern Time, U.S.A You may find something
there to add to your collection Ciao!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H1.Xribeca.TRS2&_nkw=ribeca&_sacat=0

David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050


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  3. Re: 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers (Roman Jirasek)
  4. Re: 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers (cdtuc...@cox.net)
  5. Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: December 21-25, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  6. European Mars Probe Arrives at Launch Site (ExoMars) (Ron Baalke)
  7. AD: 5 gram Bingol individual for sale (Martin Goff)


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 00:00:11 -0700
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Edeowie Glass

Contributed by: Graham Macleod

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/29/2015


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:38:04 -0600
From: Robert Beauford 
To: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"

Subject: [meteorite-list]  1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers
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I think I started actively collecting around '97 or '98, but I'm not 
entirely sure anymore.  I started to really become passionately interested 
in the science in around 2001.  At one time, I basically read the entire met 
list archive for want of other literature.  Killgore, Haag, Anne Black and a 
few others patiently helped me get started.  I started selling around the 
same time, and stopped selling, for most intents and purposes, a few years 
later.  I completely stopped participating in the list or larger meteorite 
community for more than 10 years because I got disgusted by infighting and 
animosity.  I only started again when Derek asked me to help edit the 
magazine a few years ago.  Today, as for most of the preceding years, I just 
study and collect, though there are a tiny number of meteorites in my shop 
because I like occasionally getting to have a conversation about them. 
These days, I mostly use meteorites for education and outreach, and 
concentrate my studies on craters.


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:23:17 -0500
From: "Roman Jirasek" 
To: 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers
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For me it all started in 1998 when I saw a small ad for meteorites in the
back pages of Astronomy. A pregnant wife, and new internet service was
the key. I first bought from a Calgary coin dealer 1 small slice of Gibeon
and
a 383g Toluca individual. These got me hooked like I couldn't see coming!

In 1999 I started hand making metal labels for my specimens, which has
grown to nice side hobby selling to collectors world wide.

These days the collection is thinning out a bit, but will always dominate
my home and work offices.  Love my alien rocks!  Cheers.

Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com





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From: "Jason Phillips via Meteorite-list"

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 11:28 PM
To: "J Sinclair" 
Cc: "Meteorite List" 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers


Hello List,
For me it was 1997, I remember pining over the NEMS catalog for hours
and making lists of my dream locations.  My first piece was a 107 gram
Gibeon slice, which I still treasure today.  Looking back it is
amazing how that simple $80 purchase has completely changed my life,
so many more pieces, great adventures and wonderful friends.  What
things of beauty and wonder we are able to enjoy!

Take Care,
Jason Phillips

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 8:11 PM, J Sinclair via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Hello All,

20 ye

[meteorite-list] AD - ~64 Collection Specimens

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
64 collection specimens are up for sale. The auction ends in ~15 hours, 
tonight, 12/30/15, ~9:00 Eastern Time, U.S.A You may find something 
there to add to your collection Ciao!


David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050



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  2.  1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers (Robert Beauford)
  3. Re: 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers (Roman Jirasek)
  4. Re: 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers (cdtuc...@cox.net)
  5. Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: December 21-25, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  6. European Mars Probe Arrives at Launch Site (ExoMars) (Ron Baalke)
  7. AD: 5 gram Bingol individual for sale (Martin Goff)


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 00:00:11 -0700
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Edeowie Glass

Contributed by: Graham Macleod

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/29/2015


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:38:04 -0600
From: Robert Beauford 
To: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"

Subject: [meteorite-list]  1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers
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I think I started actively collecting around '97 or '98, but I'm not 
entirely sure anymore.  I started to really become passionately interested 
in the science in around 2001.  At one time, I basically read the entire met 
list archive for want of other literature.  Killgore, Haag, Anne Black and a 
few others patiently helped me get started.  I started selling around the 
same time, and stopped selling, for most intents and purposes, a few years 
later.  I completely stopped participating in the list or larger meteorite 
community for more than 10 years because I got disgusted by infighting and 
animosity.  I only started again when Derek asked me to help edit the 
magazine a few years ago.  Today, as for most of the preceding years, I just 
study and collect, though there are a tiny number of meteorites in my shop 
because I like occasionally getting to have a conversation about them. 
These days, I mostly use meteorites for education and outreach, and 
concentrate my studies on craters.


--

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:23:17 -0500
From: "Roman Jirasek" 
To: 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers
Message-ID: <9F81DA2D856F44559E01E909192FB999@RomansPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

For me it all started in 1998 when I saw a small ad for meteorites in the
back pages of Astronomy. A pregnant wife, and new internet service was
the key. I first bought from a Calgary coin dealer 1 small slice of Gibeon
and
a 383g Toluca individual. These got me hooked like I couldn't see coming!

In 1999 I started hand making metal labels for my specimens, which has
grown to nice side hobby selling to collectors world wide.

These days the collection is thinning out a bit, but will always dominate
my home and work offices.  Love my alien rocks!  Cheers.

Roman Jirasek
www.meteoritelabels.com





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From: "Jason Phillips via Meteorite-list"

Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 11:28 PM
To: "J Sinclair" 
Cc: "Meteorite List" 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 1996-2016 meteorite collectors / dealers


Hello List,
For me it was 1997, I remember pining over the NEMS catalog for hours
and making lists of my dream locations.  My first piece was a 107 gram
Gibeon slice, which I still treasure today.  Looking back it is
amazing how that simple $80 purchase has completely changed my life,
so many more pieces, great adventures and wonderful friends.  What
things of beauty and wonder we are able to enjoy!

Take Care,
Jason Phillips

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 8:11 PM, J Sinclair via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Hello All,

20 years.

I noticed while looking at Matt Morgan's web site, he writes
"established in 1996"
The Meteorite Exchange site says "

[meteorite-list] AD: ~110 Collection Specimens Are Up For Sale

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
Collection auction ends tonight, Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 10:00pm 
Eastern Time. Eighty four (84) specimens. If you see any specimen you 
may be interested in on my ebay site and there are no bids, contact me for a 
price off ebay. Give me a BIN offer. I also take hold deposits with a few 
weeks to a month to pay, on or off ebay Bottom line, contact me for a 
better price!


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.XRibeca.TRS2&_nkw=Ribeca&_sacat=0

NOTE: Twenty six (26) new collection specimens will be added and up for sale 
on ebay tonight Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 10:00pm Eastern Time, totaling 
~110 SPECIMENS. Contact me if there's anything you may be interested in. 
Thanks, much.


Merry Christmas to you all!

David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050




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  2. Review Paper About Extraterrestrial Rivers (Paul)
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 Procrastinator Sale (Shipping Deadline Notes for Everyone Using
 USPS also) (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)


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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 00:00:11 -0700
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Laguna Manantiales

Contributed by: Geoff Notkin/Aerolite Meteorites

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/19/2015


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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:03:43 -0600
From: Paul 
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Review Paper About Extraterrestrial Rivers
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V. R. Baker, C. W. Hamilton, D. M. Burr, V. C. Gulick,
G. Komatsu, W. Luo, J. W. Rice, and J. A. P. Rodriguez
2015, Fluvial geomorphology on Earth-like planetary
surfaces: A review. Geomorphology, Vol. 245, pp. 149-182,
(September 2015) doi:10.1016/j.geomorph.2015.05.002

Abstract at
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169555X1500255X

PDF file at either https://goo.gl/MnLNqP or https://goo.gl/dGBhDx

Yours,

Paul H.


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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 21:08:46 -0500
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
To: Meteorite List 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Last Call for pre-Christmas delivery,
30% OFF Procrastinator Sale (Shipping Deadline Notes for Everyone
Using USPS also)
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Hi Friends and Collectors,

Well, this is it, the last weekend before Christmas and the Western
world is engaged in a dizzying flurry of social and economic activity.
For you last minute shopping-stragglers, I have some useful shipping
information and a 30%-off discount.

The 30% OFF sale expires on Christmas, so use coupon code "bigsale" at
checkout to get the discount on your entire order this weekend.

Some notes about USPS delivery times for the week of Christmas :

If you live outside the US and want to order something from a US
vendor and expect delivery before Christmas, then your time is rapidly
running out. It is too late to use First Class International and
Priority International. The only options remaining are USPS Express
and Express Guaranteed - those will get the package to most overseas
destinations in 2-3 days. If you wait past monday, then your best bet
is to find a gift from a vendor in your country.

If you live in the continental US, you can order any time this weekend
and expect delivery before Xmas if you use Priority shipping. Any
orders I receive up until my trip to the post office on monday
afternoon, will be shipped on monday before close of business, and you
will receive the item before Christmas.

If you live in the US and wait past monday, then your options start to
narrow. For tuesday or later, you must use USPS Express to guarantee
delivery before Christmas (with some caveats below).

Good news for procrastinators - USPS has announced that it will be
delivering Priority/Express packages on Christmas day in most major
markets. This is only true for Priority Express or Express Overnight
parcels - not valid for F

[meteorite-list] AD: Collection Specimens Up For Auction

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Prices reduced - EIGHTY FIVE (85) collection specimens are now up for 
auction. TWENTY FOUR (24) new specimens. Check it out! You might see 
something for your collection Merry Christmas, everyone!


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=Ribeca&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=ribeca&_sacat=0

David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050


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  2. Ad: $1.99 Auctions Ending Today (Ruben Garcia)
  3. AD: Kaba, quality Thin Sections, Bingol, Tissint2, Big NWA,
 meteorite stands, etc on EBAY (cbo)
  4. Rocks Rich in Silica Present Puzzles for Mars Curiosity Rover
 Team (Ron Baalke)
  5. Mars Spacecraft Shipped to California for March Launch
 (InSight) (Ron Baalke)
  6. Asteroid 1998 WT24 Looks Even Better Second Time Around
 (Ron Baalke)


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 00:00:16 -0700
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Kaidun

Contributed by: Anne Black

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/17/2015


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 15:08:48 -0700
From: Ruben Garcia 
To: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"

Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: $1.99 Auctions Ending Today
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HI all,

I'll have 4 lots total of $1.99 auctions ending before Christmas. Here
is the first batch.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/mr-meteorite/m.html?item=321950365737&ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&rt=nc&LH_Auction=1




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Ruben Garcia
http://www.MrMeteorite.com


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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:12:48 +0100
From: "cbo" 
To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Kaba, quality Thin Sections, Bingol,
Tissint2, Big NWA, meteorite stands, etc on EBAY
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Ending soon my lot of EBAY auction in very reduced prices (many from 1.99$)
in the Weekend

See them here in my EBay store:
http://stores.ebay.com/eurodome

Historic Kaba CV3, the first CV3 on the World
Witnessed fall meteorie from 1857, old Kingdom of Hungary
Impossible to obtain it!
0.003 gr 250$
0.019 gr 800$

BIG NWA xxx 4.838 kg chondrite, regmaglypted, well shaped - 2200$

Flight marked and super shaped 629 gr NWA xxx JUST NOW - 399$

Quality polished Thin Sections 23 pcs:
First on the market Bing?ol Howardite from 44$
First on the market nice "Tissint2" from 34$
Allende CV3, quality double polished - 69$
NWA 5884 Super nice Ureilite - 99$
NWA 5886 rare EL6 enstatite - 49$
NWA 6926 awsome ach-ungr - from 32.99$
NWA 6953 mesosiderite, very nice - 49$
NWA 8263 L3.5, chondrule tons - 59$
Tatahouine, rare diogenite - 99$
Lot of nice NWA xxx with super chondrules from 1.99$
Lot of Chelyabinsk LL5 - 39$ - reduced
NWA 5488 Lodranite - 125$ - reduced
Almahata Sitta EL6 350$

NEW "Tissint2" 2015 witnessed fall 4.30gr slice from 1.99$ - reduced


Nice Agoudals:
from 17-45$

Rare Kuresoi Kenya fall!!
from 49$ - reduced
Lot of Moldavites (Vlatavine) from 16$

Nice shaped Moldavites from 16$

Meteorite stands SETs 35$/pair

And many more...

Super rare iron meteorite from Hungary!
Kaposf?red IVA - 29.23 gr etched full-slice (TKW:2.2kg)- 2500USD
See here it:  http://www.hunmet.com/images/KaposfuredIVA_29_23gr.jpg
LPI Conference study: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/LPSC98/pdf/1082.pdf



If you are interest each of them, please contact me in PM!

Zsolt Kereszty
IMCA#6251
Meteoritical Society
Hungarian Astronomical Society



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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:29:37 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks Rich in Silica Present Puzzles for
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http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4799

Rocks Rich in Silica Present Puzzles for Mars Rover Team
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
December 17, 2015

In detective stories,

[meteorite-list] AD: 80 Collection Specimens for sale

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
For those who may be interested - Eighty (80) new collection specimens are
up for sale, on eBay, for the next 1 to 9 days Reduced prices. Many
rare, historic and very rare... You may want to check it out. If you see
something on my eBay that you're interested in (without a bid) contact me.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.XRibeca.TRS1&_nkw=Ribeca&_sacat=0

Merry Christmas, people.

David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050




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 Mound Impactites, Scale Cubes (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
  3. NASA Mars Rover Curiosity Reaches Sand Dunes (Ron Baalke)
  4. MRO HiRISE Images - December 9, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  5. Mars Rover Opportunity Update - November 4-9, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  6. Mars Rover Opportunity Update - November 10-18, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  7. Mars Rover Opportunity Update: November 19 - December 1, 2015
 (Ron Baalke)
  8. Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: December 7-11, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Muonionalusta

Contributed by: David Allepuz i Sunyé

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/11/2015


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:53:36 -0500
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad : Big 3-Kilo Sudbury Black Onaping,
Wanapitei and Serpent Mound Impactites, Scale Cubes
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Hi Friends and Collectors,

There is only 2 weeks remaining until Christmas, and just in time for
the holiday I have some big specimens that are sure to make an impact.

Also, you can still save 30% OFF every specimen in the store
(including these new impactites) by using coupon code "bigsale" at
checkout.

On to the new specimens - some nice Sudbury and Wanapitei impactites.
The first one is a big hunka hunka Sudbury.  This piece weighs approx.
3 kilos and would be ideal for slicing and polishing. A dealer with
the right equipment could get many nice slices from this mass. If
nobody wants the big rock, then I may eventually break it down into
smaller chunks for cutting on my saw. (my saw isn't big enough to
handle this bad boy).

3-Kilo Sudbury Black Onaping Mass -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-black-onaping-impact-breccia-big-29kg-uncut-pyramid

Sudbury Fallback Breccia, Endcut, 770 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-fallback-breccia-770

Sudbury Metallic Ore, Uncut Nodule, 345 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-impact-ore-345

Sudbury Metallic Ore, Uncut Nodule, 261 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-impact-crater-exotic-metallic-ore-263g

Sudbury Anthraxolite Coal (anomalous material), 202 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-anthracite-coal-202

Wanapitei Suevite, Uncut Mass, 652 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/wanapitei-impact-crater-suevite-breccia-big-uncut-652g

Wanapitei Suevite, Uncut Mass, 377 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/wanapitei-impact-crater-suevite-breccia-uncut-377g

Serpent Mound Impact Breccia, Endcut, 92 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/serpent-mound-crater-big-impact-breccia-endcut-92g

1cm Scale Cubes for Photography -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/scale-cube-1cm-black-plastic-scale-cube-for-meteorite-photography

For the holidays - 3 Wisemen Meteorite Display -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/three-magi-kings-of-the-east-display-genuine-gold-frankincense-myrrh-meteorite

All new specimens - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new?pagesize=36


Thanks for looking and have a great weekend!  :)

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] AD: 80 collection specimen

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
For those who may be interested - Eighty (80) new collection specimens are 
up for sale, on eBay, for the next 1 to 9 days Reduced prices. Many 
rare, historic and very rare... You may want to check it out. If you see 
something on my eBay that you're interested in (without a bid) contact me.


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.A0.H0.XRibeca.TRS1&_nkw=Ribeca&_sacat=0

Merry Christmas, people.

David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050




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 Mound Impactites, Scale Cubes (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
  3. NASA Mars Rover Curiosity Reaches Sand Dunes (Ron Baalke)
  4. MRO HiRISE Images - December 9, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  5. Mars Rover Opportunity Update - November 4-9, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  6. Mars Rover Opportunity Update - November 10-18, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  7. Mars Rover Opportunity Update: November 19 - December 1, 2015
 (Ron Baalke)
  8. Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: December 7-11, 2015 (Ron Baalke)
  9. Ad: Pre-Tucson Suspension Box SALE (Pre-Order by 12/15)
 (Natural History Laboratory)
 10. Pluto's Close-up, Now in Color (Ron Baalke)
 11. Robot Arm Simulates Close Approach to ESA's Asteroid Mission
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Muonionalusta

Contributed by: David Allepuz i Sunyé

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=12/11/2015


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:53:36 -0500
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
To: Meteorite List 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad : Big 3-Kilo Sudbury Black Onaping,
Wanapitei and Serpent Mound Impactites, Scale Cubes
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Hi Friends and Collectors,

There is only 2 weeks remaining until Christmas, and just in time for
the holiday I have some big specimens that are sure to make an impact.

Also, you can still save 30% OFF every specimen in the store
(including these new impactites) by using coupon code "bigsale" at
checkout.

On to the new specimens - some nice Sudbury and Wanapitei impactites.
The first one is a big hunka hunka Sudbury.  This piece weighs approx.
3 kilos and would be ideal for slicing and polishing. A dealer with
the right equipment could get many nice slices from this mass. If
nobody wants the big rock, then I may eventually break it down into
smaller chunks for cutting on my saw. (my saw isn't big enough to
handle this bad boy).

3-Kilo Sudbury Black Onaping Mass -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-black-onaping-impact-breccia-big-29kg-uncut-pyramid

Sudbury Fallback Breccia, Endcut, 770 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-fallback-breccia-770

Sudbury Metallic Ore, Uncut Nodule, 345 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-impact-ore-345

Sudbury Metallic Ore, Uncut Nodule, 261 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-impact-crater-exotic-metallic-ore-263g

Sudbury Anthraxolite Coal (anomalous material), 202 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/sudbury-anthracite-coal-202

Wanapitei Suevite, Uncut Mass, 652 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/wanapitei-impact-crater-suevite-breccia-big-uncut-652g

Wanapitei Suevite, Uncut Mass, 377 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/wanapitei-impact-crater-suevite-breccia-uncut-377g

Serpent Mound Impact Breccia, Endcut, 92 grams -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/serpent-mound-crater-big-impact-breccia-endcut-92g

1cm Scale Cubes for Photography -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/scale-cube-1cm-black-plastic-scale-cube-for-meteorite-photography

For the holidays - 3 Wisemen Meteorite Display -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/three-magi-kings-of-the-east-display-genuine-gold-frankincense-myrrh-meteorite

All new specimens - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new?pagesize=36


Thanks for looking and have a great weekend!  :)

MikeG

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[meteorite-list] AD: 68 Thanksgiving day ebay specimens up for auction

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Ebay auction, today, Thanksgiving day, Thursday, 11/26/15 7:00 am 
Pacific Time/ 10:00 am Eastern Time.  Sixty eight (68) specimens up for 
ebay auction. Many brand new additions. Rare, very rare, historic, etc 
The David L. Ribeca Meteorite Collection on ebay -



http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3984.m570.l1312.R1.TR0.TRC0.A0.H1.Xribeca.TRS2&_nkw=Ribeca&_sacat=0

Have a great Thanksgiving to all and thank you.


David L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050


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[meteorite-list] AD: The D.L. Ribeca Meteorite Collection on Ebay

[Dave Ribeca via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
The David L. Ribeca Meteorite Collection has now gone up for sale on eBay, 
specimen by specimen... Over the next several months or so, you may want to 
visit eBay and see what is being offered... fishsealevel7546  is my eBay 
auction seller's ID. Over 600 Specimens will be available for sale; many 
rare, very rare and historic samples You can also see what will be 
available in the future on eBay by visiting the EOM website and checking out 
my meteorite specimens...


http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=2830


D.L. Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050 – U.S.A.



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  2. Ad - Meteorite Type Collections are back, Meteorite of the
 Month Club, New Holiday Shopping Categories
 (Galactic Stone & Ironworks)
  3. AD- New Lunar & Auctions started at .99 ending today
 (John higgins)
  4. Ad: 4.82g Shergottite pair to NWA 2975 For Sale! (Ad 5/12)
 (Bigjohn Shea)
  5. RIP: Robert Farquhar (1932-2015) (Ron Baalke)
  6. Citric acid (Francesco Moser)
  7. Re: Citric acid (Anne Black)
  8. AD - Display And Meteorite Related Items (Raremeteorites)
  9. Chelyabinsk-like meteorites may strike Earth twice this
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:05:55 +
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Good Morning;

The meteorite mailing list is back up after some DNS issues over the 
weekend. Apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused.


Happy Hunting and Collecting!

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:13:29 -0400
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
To: Meteorite List 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Meteorite Type Collections are back,
Meteorite of the Month Club, New Holiday Shopping Categories
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Hi Friends and Collectors,

A few years ago, I offered a meteorite Type Collection kit with 28
different types. I am now re-introducing this kit with 36 different
types, just in time for the upcoming holidays.  Yes, it is that time
of year again

As always, use coupon code "metlist" at checkout for 20% off your entire 
order.


This Type Collection Kit contains 36 different petrologic types from
around the world and solar system. Many of these types are rare and
quite hard to acquire. This is an ideal way to start out with
Type-Collecting or to fill holes in your existing collection.

Meteorite Type Collection :
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorite-type-collection-36-different-petrologic-types

To make Christmas and holiday shopping easier, I have added two new
categories to the store - Stocking Stuffers (starting at just $5), and
Unique Gift Displays. These are the most popular items every year for
people purchasing gifts. Now is a good time to start getting your gift
shopping done before the consumer insanity begins.  :)

Meteorite of the Month Club -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/meteorite-of-the-month-club-one-year-13-different-specimens-one-per-month-bonus

Stocking Stuffers - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/stocking-stuffers

Unique Gift Displays -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/unique-gift-displays

All Holiday Gift Items - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/holiday-gifts


All New Offerings - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new?pagesize=60


Thanks for looking and have great weekend!

MikeG

PS : One quick note - as of today, all outstanding orders are shipped.
If you are waiting on your previous order, it is now on the way.  :)
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:19:15 + (UTC)
From: John higgins 
To: Meteorite Mailing Lis

[meteorite-list] FW: Meteorite prices as a gauge of economic health

[Dave Gheesling via Meteorite-list]

<>

Great post, Rob, as usual.  From the short term effects of "quantitative
easing" (buckle up for the long term effects, and it would be irresponsible
to use the stock market as a current gauge), to the recent and intriguing
modification of employment statistics (right you are below), to the
burgeoning matter of healthcare cost expansion...no need to go further,
although that's easily doable.  We are indeed releasing some pent-up demand,
but without a doubt, the domestic economy is not yet approaching recovery.
So, to your initial point below, perhaps it is a good time to buy
extraterrestrial real estate.

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 2:30 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite prices as a gauge of economic health

To make this discussion a little more meteorite-specific, in a truly healthy
economy meteorites could not be purchased for the low prices they currently
command. The economy is doing fine if your gauge of the economy is the stock
market. If you're wealthy, you're probably having a good year. But if you're
right out of college any time in the last five years, you are probably not
doing so well.

GDP growth was 5% for the 3rd quarter -- not for the year. It remains to be
seen whether that admittedly impressive level is sustained. A few other
factors to keep in mind. The stock market and most commodities are priced in
dollars; what happens to the price of stocks when the dollar falls in value?
Another sign of a struggling economy is the ratio of the price of platinum
to the price of gold. Mined platinum is far rarer and more valuable to
industry than gold. It is also more expensive to extract, and is mined in
far fewer places in the world than is gold. (South Africa accounts for over
70% of annual production; no one country accounts for more than ~15% of gold
production.) Gold is perceived as a safe haven and a hedge against inflation
or recession; platinum, by contrast, is sensitive to economic cycles,
precisely because of its heavy use in industry (e.g. automobiles). When
economic times are bad, the price of platinum can fall as low as gold, or
even below it (as it did for most of 2012). As recently as last week, gold
and platinum were at parity, which is a sign of questionable economic
health. As proof, this latest GDP number has given platinum a boost, but
done nothing to the price of gold. Compare here:

http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
http://www.kitco.com/charts/liveplatinum.html

The graphs are virtually identical up until 6 hours ago.

As for the unemployment rate, you are referring to the commonly reported U3
number which does not include people who have given up looking for work, but
*does* include people who work part-time (not by choice) as little as one
hour a week. The U6 number is more representative of the true employment
situation, and while it has been falling since 2010, the U6 number was lower
from 1994 all the way until late 2008.  --Rob


-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:26 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year
-Meteoritewatch priced over 4M.

Simply ask how many people are better off these days.  Nearly 50% of the
houses in my neighborhood are vacant and remain on the market.  In a booming
economy these houses would be occupied!  I do not listen to false reports
and twisted numbers.  I observe what is really happening.

Adam

- Original Message -
From: "Michael Farmer" 
To: "Raremeteorites" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year
-Meteoritewatch priced over 4M.


Poor economy? Stock market crashing through record highs, GDP growth of 5%
this year, best since 2003, fuel prices collapsing, unemployment rate lowest
in 10 years.
What planet are you living on?
Turn off Fox News.


Michael Farmer

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>
> Yes, I have witnessed or heard first-hand of this type of greed and 
> lack of respect for others honest work for decades. It only seems to 
> be getting worse accelerated by a poor economy.  This watch company is 
> just an example on the high-end of the spectrum.  One of my friends, 
> who was working on a survey vessel, witnessed a seaplane wreck on Lake 
> Washington and rerouted it to the rescue.  Inside the wreckage was 
> none other than John Nordstrom who was more concerned with salvaging 
> his briefcase than rescuing his wife.  I will not let my wife buy her 
> shoes

Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds

[Dave Gheesling via Meteorite-list]

Mendy,

Understand the point you're trying to make, but Indian Butte, aka Stanfield, is 
clearly a fall: http://fallingrocks.com/Collections/Stanfield.htm

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
Behalf Of Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 6:08 PM
To: 'Meteorite List'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds

So far the response has been basically, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
However, doing so ignores changes in technology that enables us to identify 
meteors at specific locations in space and time and possible fall locations. 
Take Indian Butte for example. The MetBull identifies this meteorite as a Fall 
(witnessed) from 1998. However, the first specimen was not found until 2013. 
According to the feedback so far, this meteorite should then have been 
classified as a find. Indian Butte is only one example of the situation 
actually being broke - so in my mind, new information and new situations 
deserve a fresh perspective. By the way, I agree with the classification of it 
as a fall. Given only two present choices - "fall" is the most appropriate.
I am in no way suggesting adding the many types of descriptors as proposed by 
Jeff, but I am proposing adding one more called the "correlated fall". As 
technology improves, I believe we will be seeing more situations like Indian 
Butte where an event is captured, but material is not found for years after the 
event.
Change is not always bad.  :-)
Mendy

-Original Message-
From: Michael Mulgrew [mailto:mikest...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:06 PM
To: Carl Esparza
Cc: Meteorite List; Mendy Ouzillou
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Definitions of types of falls and finds

Fall, find, anything further is unnecessary clutter.  All falls are finds, but 
not all finds are falls, the rest is just semantics.

K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple, Stupid

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM,   wrote:
> Mendy,
> All due respect to you and Jeff Grossman (one of our Royalty figures) but, to 
> me a fall is either observed or there is great evidence like damage caused by 
> the impact. All else is a find. Because after all, all finds are falls or how 
> else would they be here?
> Best Rgards,
> Carl
> meteoritemax
> --
> Love & Life
>
>  Mendy Ouzillou  wrote:
>> I've been thinking about the email Jeff sent out some time back and 
>> wanted to propose a slightly different set of names and simplify the 
>> nomenclature.
>> You can see Jeff's original email below. I think we have all 
>> struggled with defining meteorites that are neither observed falls 
>> nor finds and part of the reason is that we were conflating too many ideas.
>> Observed fall: Observed to fall, either by eyewitnesses or with instruments.
>> The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the 
>> collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when 
>> collection does not occur immediately, the strewn field location (if 
>> there is one) and appearance taking into account weathering 
>> associated with time on the ground, may be directly attributed to the fall.
>> Correlated fall: No material was found immediately after an observed 
>> event, but later analysis and physical evidence conclusively points 
>> to an observed event on a specific date or within a very narrow range of 
>> dates.
>> Find: Material was found and no event can be conclusively associated 
>> with an observed event. A find that appears like a fresh fall is 
>> still a find if no observed event can be associated with it.
>> Feedback welcome.
>> Mendy Ouzillou
>> IMCA8393
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Jeff Grossman
>> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:26 AM
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
>>
>> I should add: my first two categories are types of falls, whereas the 
>> last three are types of finds.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On 1/5/2013 8:12 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
>> > In all seriousness, I have considered refining, or at least 
>> > qualifying the definition of "fall." The categories I've considered 
>> > are these, and the definitions are first passes:
>> >
>> > Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with 
>> > instruments, and collected soon after the event. The event was well 
>> > documented.
>

Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

[Dave Gheesling]

That is one sick meteorite ;-)
Happy New Year,
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Wooddell
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 1:16 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official

Here is Mike Farmer's picture:

http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/desertsunburn/media/katolphoto_zps463296b4
.jpg.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Actually, way off topic

[Dave Gheesling]

"...know that the next artifact you find is more than likely lunar..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SIxgiq4AWQ

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John
Cabassi
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:03 PM
To: met-list
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Actually, way off topic

G'Day List
So what would you say, he has a passion for meteorites?  Misdirected?
Or a theorist?  But he just seems to never fade away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm1iiYG99ks#t=24

Have a happy end to the day. Hope everyone's Friday is what they want and
bring on the weekend

Cheers
John Cabassi
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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk strewnfield map and trajectory projection - updated final ve

[Dave Gheesling]

Well said Graham...no need to say any more ;-)
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Ensor
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:15 PM
To: Bernd V. Pauli
Cc: meteorite list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk strewnfield map and trajectory
projection - updated final ve

Well said Berndno need to say any more.

Graham

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Bernd V. Pauli 
wrote:
> Doug kindly wrote:
>
> "Amazing work, Svend! A great example of cooperative work  between 
> broadly diverse members of the meteorite community,  all for the 
> advancement of science. Bravo!
>
> Yep, a resounding bravo and kudos! I am sure that this detailed 
> strewnfield map will help quite a few collectors / scientists locate 
> further specimens of this "once in a lifetime" celestial beauty!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bernd
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Brazilian fall field trip report - The Vicencia Meteorite

[Dave Gheesling]

Top stuff, André...congratulations, and thank you for the great report!
All the best,
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of André Moutinho
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 10:15 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Brazilian fall field trip report - The Vicencia 
Meteorite

 Hello all!

I have arrived today from another field trip to recover the most recent 
Brazilian fall. I have solved to write this small report to let everybody know 
about this fall:

This very interesting fall event occurred on a small district of Vicencia named 
Borracha. Vicência is a small city located about 120 km from Recife city, the 
capital of Pernambuco state in Brazil northwest. According to residents, 
Borracha interestingly received its name because it grew very fast stretching 
like rubber, that means Borracha in Portuguese.

Mr. Adeilson was working in front of his modest joinery in Borracha village on 
a sunny Monday day of September, 21st. At a certain moment at around 3:00 PM he 
stooped to pick up something on the the ground and suddenly heard a very loud 
noise of something that had just hit the ground nearby him. He did not know 
what had happened but soon noticed a very strange black rock on a small pit 
only about 1 meter from him (he told us he measured the distance from where he 
was and  the meteorite pit with a measuring tape and this can be seen on some 
youtube videos). Mr. Adeilson caught the almost hammer stone that could have 
killed him and noticed that one side of the rock was still hot and the other 
cold.

Many neighbors were in front of their houses and witnessed the impact event  
noticing only the loud noise of the meteorite impact on the ground. As usual, 
nothing at impact zone was heard or seen in the air except the ground hit 
impact.  One or two of them were just on the exact impact location very few 
minutes ago.

I had just arrived home from another hard work day on Friday 27th and read some 
Internet hot news concerning a possible new meteorite fall in Brazil. According 
to these news only a meteorite could have caused such event. I immediately 
called Dr. Elizabete Zucolotto, meteorite researcher and curator of the 
Brazilian NM. She also read the news and there was no doubt that it could be a 
meteorite fall. We had to go to that location immediately. We bought the flight 
tickets to Recife at that same night and traveled the following day.

Arriving at Recife we rented a car and headed to Vicência and then to Borracha 
village. On the way from Vicência city to the village we started to notice the 
mountains were covered with sugar cane and banana plantations and started to 
notice that finding more pieces of this fall could possibly be harder than 
Varre-sai. At least in Varre-sai there were some pastures to search. The 
entrance for the village is near an alcohol plant. Finding the village was also 
hard as there was no signs on the way and we had to ask to many people we found 
on the way. A lot of them were drunk and we thought that the sugar cane 
plantion were only for local usage..

The village is basically one road with houses on both sides and a small church. 
Interestingly the first person we have found on that village was Mr. Adeilson 
in front of his joinery that I have recognized by the videos and pictures. As 
hapenned in Varre-Sai with Mr. Germano, Mr Adeilson was already a famous person 
on that small village and had already given some interviews to TV channels and 
local radios. Fortunatelly the rock was still with him besides the fact that he 
had received many offers to sell but refused. The first lower offer he received 
was from a local resident that offered a new motorcycle.

At fall location we made video interviews with Mr. Adeilson and some neighbors 
that witnessed the fall event. It was hard even for us that are Portuguese 
native to sometime understand what Mr. Adeilson said because of his strong 
accent. We then asked him if we could see the rock. He agreed and lead us to 
his modest house nearby the joinery. Holding the stone there was no doubt it 
was a beautiful super fresh meteorite that had fallen less than a week ago and 
was recovered still hot from the ground! We took pictures and talked to a lot 
of people that were in front of Mr. Adeilson's house attracted by the outer 
space visitor notice that spread like fire. There was no condition to try 
buying the stone at that moment and we decided to leave Mr. Adeilson's house 
and headed again to the fall area to try search on nearby mountains covered 
with plantations. Also we have used the best effective meteorite recovery 
method: teaching locals to find meteorites and offering them a reward.

Another thing that must be done was trying to figure out the meteorite bolide 
direction and possible strewn field area. To accompli

Re: [meteorite-list] Dirk Ross / San Luis Potosi (non)-meteor?

[Dave Gheesling]

Rob, All,
Absolutely agree re: Dirk, and that's an interesting analysis of those
videos (both in the link and in your comments).  Does the apparent speed
appear to be a bit "hot" as well?
All the best,
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Matson,
Robert D.
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:53 PM
To: Count Deiro; Meteorite List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dirk Ross / San Luis Potosi (non)-meteor?

Hi Count,

I absolutely concur that Dirk's efforts seem to be appreciated by many, but
publicly acknowledged by few. So let me go on record thanking Dirk for his
tireless efforts -- more often than not, he is the first to report on a new
potential meteorite-dropping event, and his site is a must-visit for seeing
early videos.

Unfortunately, I'm of the opinion that the San Luis Potosi videos are an
elaborate hoax, as the meteor cannot be confirmed using one of my reliable
sources. There was no bright meteor over central Mexico at any time from 4
pm to 6 pm local time (CDT) on 21 August, which corresponds to 21:00-23:00
UT.

Apparently I'm not the only one of this opinion. Dirk forwarded me the
following link that he received from someone who has picked apart the four
videos. You can judge for yourself, but I think he/she has found some subtle
"glitches" and oversights that call into question their validity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F7ySYpB1RM&feature=youtu.be

I am also bothered by the mismatch between the reported time of the fall
(~5:25 pm) and the sun's elevation angle -- particularly in the church
video. The sun appears to be very high in the sky for so late in the day.
And where are all the witness reports, or stories in Mexican newspapers?

Finally, two of the videos are too "lucky", in the sense that they just
happened to be recording something rather un-video-worthy (some random train
from a car, and a poorly framed church tower) and the meteor magically
appears.

What do you all think?  --Rob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count
Deiro
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 4:46 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor

Hi Listers,

One of the small things in life, but something that brings big pleasure is
to have the opportunity to compliment and thank someone for their providing
free gratis excitement and interest into your life.

Our colleague and friend in Tokyo, Dirk Ross, tirelessly maintains his WORLD
WIDE METEOR/METEORITE site gathering and posting the news,videos and photos
of events we are interested in.

His posting of the four extraordinary videos of the August 21st. meteor
crossing the mountains and valleys near San Luis Potosi, Mexico are
thrilling. The last of the four is such a classic that it will always remain
in my memory bank. It is far more interesting than the video of the Great
Fireball of 1972 (Gran Teton Grazer.)

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/08/san-luis-potosi-mexico-
daytime-bolide.html

Thank you Dirk..I understand there were sonics associated with this meteor.
It would be great to find if it became a meteorite.

Cordially,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536  

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Re: [meteorite-list] New Barwell acquisition

[Dave Gheesling]

Top stuff, Martin!
Cheers,
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Goff
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 11:49 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] New Barwell acquisition

Hi all,

Just wanted to show off my latest acquisition, a 93.54 gram specimen of the
famous Barwell meteorite. Barwell fell on 24th December 1965 and was
witnessed by many people and is affectionately known as the Christmas
meteorite. It is the second largest of the UK meteorites after the Wiltshire
stone (Lake House) This particular stone was found on the 6th January by
Jean Ferguson (nee McKellar) who at the time was the Keeper of Geology at
the Leicester Museum and it has been in her possession ever since. I am
especially proud to have such a nice specimen of this historic UK meteoite
in my collection :-) Photos can be seen at the link below:

(https://www.flickr.com/photos/94515040@N03/sets/72157635382072632/)

Cheers

Martin

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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk thin section photos

[Dave Gheesling]

Spectacular, Martin...thanks for sharing!
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Goff
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 2:46 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk thin section photos

Hi all,

Just uploaded a few photos of my Chelyabinsk thin section onto Flickr,
please see link below:

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/94515040@N03/with/8947446217/)

The thin section has some fusion crust on one edge too and this is shown in
some of the photos. Enjoy :-)

Cheers

Martin

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Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk trip report is up

[Dave Gheesling]

Epic :)
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wesel
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:52 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk trip report is up

It's a 12 pager. Put the kids down and grab some corn.

http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/news/chelyabinsk.htm

Rob Wesel 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dave Gheesling and Geoff Notkin offlist contact request

[Dave Gheesling]

Hi Dirk,
I'm still at the same phone number and email addresses, including this one,
as always.  Reach out any time.  Send Geoff best regards...
Dave

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Dirk Ross
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Re: [meteorite-list] Alain Carion

[Dave Gheesling]

Ditto!
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hupé
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 6:53 PM
To: Bernd V. Pauli; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alain Carion

What a horrible situation! I am very glad to hear Alain was unharmed 
'physically', but he must certainly be sick to his stomach and mentally 
stressed about all of those wonderfully meteorites lost to the fire and/or the 
thieves! I hope he has an accurate record of what was stolen/destroyed and can 
post a list with pictures so the world can be on the lookout for these stolen 
pieces, if some were taken from the car and later attempted to be sold.

All my best to Alain!!

Best Regards,
Greg


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Click here for my current eBay auctions:
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-Original Message-
From: Bernd V. Pauli
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:30 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Alain Carion

"Ils pensaient avoir volé un vulgaire tas de cailloux...En réalité, il 
s'agissait de météorites estimées à 300 000 €."

Hello Martin and List,

... 300 000 € !!!

What a tragedy but, thank God, Alain is well!

Cheers,

Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill Update - TKW now 937.75g (SM74 added)

[Dave Johnson]

Do we have any news regarding new Sutter's Mill finds?  The weather here in 
Northern California is cool now; perfect for hunting. I'm headed back out and 
was hoping to get an update from someone.  
Dave Johnson
Sacramento

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Re: [meteorite-list] Large UK fireball!

[Dave Gheesling]

What good fortune...to see that live, Martin :)
Cheers,
Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Goff
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 7:44 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Large UK fireball!

Hi all,

I have just been exceedingly fortunate to view a large fragmenting fireball
over the UK. Absolutely amazing sight! Looked so similar to Peekskill with
lots of fragmentation. Am unfortunately at work all night so unable to
further research it but already there are numerous reports and sightings. A
video of the event has been found here:

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df89jhMjLXY)

Might be space junk? The fireball had a definite greenish tinge at the
beginning.

Going east to west. from the A627 in Chadderton, Oldham, Lancashire.
Startpoint 25 degrees altitude, 90 degrees azimuth. Endpoint 20 degrees
altitude, 290 degrees azimuth. visible for 40 seconds at 22:55hrs 21/9/12.
Went from green to orange to yellow with lots of fragmentation. Am still
gobsmacked that i saw it Hopefully it will have dropped some meteorites
and hopefully not into the sea!

Anyway back to work now :-(

Cheers

Martin
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Re: [meteorite-list] new book published: Henbury Craters & Meteorites - AD

[Dave Gheesling]

COMPLETELY AGREE with the below.  I had the privilege to read the manuscript
on a flight early this summer...and simply could...not...put...it...down.
Exceptional, historically important, and well beyond a fine example for
others to hopefully follow in the future.

Congrats, fellas...EPIC!!!

All the best,

Dave
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Matthias
Bärmann
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 5:40 PM
To: Graham Ensor; Bernd V. Pauli
Cc: meteorite list; Meteorite-Recon.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new book published: Henbury Craters &
Meteorites - AD


Svend & Don, Alex, Bernd, Graham and finally: listoids -

I can only agree with the arguments and impressions my previous speakers
already underlined.

For me personally this Henbury monograph is highly attractive, not only
because the science facts are included on a high and actual level, but also
historical and ethnological aspects such as Aldermans sketches, old
photographs and correspondances, the presence of Henbury in the most
important museum collections and not at least the traces which can be found
in Aboriginal mythology and  art.

Not to forget a large number of great pics of a series of wonderful, at
large publically unknown and breathtakingly beautiful Henbury individuals.

It already seems to be indicated that the 600 copies will be sold out soon. 
So take your chance.

Best as ever,
Matthias


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From: "Graham Ensor" 
To: "Bernd V. Pauli" 
Cc: "meteorite list" ;
"Meteorite-Recon.com" 
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new book published: Henbury Craters &
Meteorites - AD


I agree Berndjust finished reading ita must have bookespecially
if you have or intend to visit the craters :-).thanks for the special
copy Svend.

Graham

On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Bernd V. Pauli 
wrote:
> Svend Buhl kindly wrote:
>
> " have the pleasure to announce the publishing of the book Henbury 
> Craters & Meteorites – Their Discovery History and Study. The 166-page 
> volume features 127 photos, documents, maps & diagrams, the majority 
> previously unpublished."
>
> Hi folks,
>
> ... and I have the pleasure of assuring you that this book is a treat, 
> a "must-have"
> for meteorite buffs. It combines accurate, scientific information with 
> a wealth of historic and recent discoveries, stunning photographs and 
> amazing insights into one of our favorite meteorite craters and the 
> iron meteorites it still yields.
>
> I advise everyone to get their copy of this wonderful book before they 
> are sold out.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bernd
>
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[meteorite-list] AD: "Guide to North America Meteorites" maps

[Dave Lacko]

Hi list

I just found 15 copies of Bill Peck's 'Guide to North American Meteorites'
maps which are now out of print.  The poster measures 26 ¾" x 38 ½" inches.
Five of them are laminated, and the rest are plain paper.  The laminated
copies are initialed and numbered and are 35 dollars each. While the plain
paper copies are signed and numbered.  These are 30 dollars each.  Please
email me off line if you would like a copy.


Thanks
Dave Lacko

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Re: [meteorite-list] Hello from the field

[Dave Johnson]

Do we know the coordinates for the 27.5 g find?  How about the verification of 
the 205 g find?

See you out there, Ed!
Dave Johnson

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On Jun 26, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Edwin Thompson  wrote:

> 
> Hello list members,
> 
> 
> 
> It is getting hot in Coloma! Thirty four days in the area and not one 
> meteorite have I found. Have been investing most of the time in what should 
> be the large end of the strewn field. Thirty four days and I have yet to see 
> a rattlesnake. I enjoy snakes so this is a huge disappointment. I bought a 
> go-pro camera just so I can video a snake in the wild. They have caught over 
> twenty baby rattlesnakes by the river in the campground where I am staying 
> but I haven't seen any of those either. Lots of turkeys, lizards, coyotes, 
> foxes, toads and bullfrogs. A few bobcats but no cougars yet. Did get to see 
> a huge king snake but I hadn't figured out how to use the camera yet. It was 
> good hunting weather this past week but is getting hot again. Hot days I only 
> hunt until 1pm. Am getting about 7 to 8 hours a day out hiking. Am meeting 
> lots of great people here and have looked at a lot of very nice stones. a 
> number of stones are being found by locals on there own land. The more people 
> talk
  t
> he more I learn about how many stones are not being documented. I got to 
> identify Sammy's 27.5 gram stone a few days ago. She was quite tickled when I 
> told her she had the real thing. I would love to find a few of these little 
> gems but feel that the time is better spent trying to find the 'big one'. 
> Regardless of the heat, ticks, poison oak, star thistle, cockleburs, 
> mosquitoes and invisible rattlesnakes for which I come prepared with snake 
> stick, camera and gaiters, it is a blast to be back in the field. Last years 
> back surgery really did the trick and now am able to walk pain free from sun 
> up to sundown. When I finally find a stone I will post a picture. For now 
> it's just great to be out in the sun. Still raining in Oregon.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Edwin 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill Update (Big 205g stone?)

[Dave Johnson]

Michael,
Thanks for the update. I am suspicious about a 205g stone. 
I've taken a couple of weeks off hunting due to obligations and oppressive 
heat, but hope to get back soon. 
David Johnson
Sacramento

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On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:32 AM, Michael Gilmer  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> It's been a while since the last Sutter's Mill update, so let's take a
> look at where things stand as of this writing.
> 
> The official page (http://asima.seti.org/sm/) has not been updated
> recently, but you may notice there are several SM numbers that are not
> listed - these are finds that have been reported, but lack coordinates
> or verification.  Dr. Jenniskens probably has his hands full, so I
> expect we will see an update eventually when his schedule allows.
> 
> In the meantime, I have been fielding reports and keeping the
> unofficial page updated.
> 
> The unofficial TKW now stands at - 560.76 grams.
> 
> The largest verified find is still Robert Ward's 42.4g specimen.
> 
> The total number of finds is - 68.
> 
> Some of you may have heard about the big 205g stone which was
> reportedly found in mid-May and has not been officially reported.
> This stone has been shopped around via email, and there are some
> photos of the stone out there floating around.  The photos make the
> specimen look like a legit find, but of course there is no way to tell
> by using photos alone.
> 
> My question is, has any qualified person on this List seen this stone
> in person?  Can anyone reading this verify that the find is legit?  I
> find it hard to believe that a find like this (if it is real) has been
> known since mid-May and nobody has seen it first-hand to confirm or
> deny it.  Surely someone with experience must have seen it by now?
> Please reply or contact me off-list if you have any hard info on this
> stone.
> 
> Unofficial Sutter's Mill page - http://www.galactic-stone.com/pages/lotus
> 
> To those still hunting - good luck!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Update on Sutter's Mill find data

[Dave Johnson]

Martin,
Any update on the coordinates for the new find mentioned last week?
Dave Johnson

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On May 29, 2012, at 1:52 PM, "karmaka"  wrote:

> Update (29th May)
> 
> Dear list members
> 
> The coordinates of SM 27 and SM 50 have just been corrected 
> and the coordinates of SM 35 have been confirmed.
> 
> http://asima.seti.org/sm/
> 
> Best regards,
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> Von: "karmaka" 
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Update on Sutter's Mill find data
> Datum: Sat, 26 May 2012 00:02:09 +0200
> 
> Dear list members,
> 
> now they've added hyperlinks to photos of some specimens (SM #1, #2, #3, #12 
> and #44):
> 
> Excellent idea !!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> Von: "karmaka" 
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Update on Sutter's Mill find data
> Datum: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:32:10 +0200
> 
> SM 54 (20.2 g) data added to find list
> 
> http://asima.seti.org/sm/ 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> Von: "karmaka" 
> An: "met-list" 
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Update on Sutter's Mill find data
> Datum: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:58:35 +02 00
> 
> New data are available:
> 
> SM 35 (coordinates), SM 47, SM50 (Ward, 42 g) and SM 51
> 
> http://asima.seti.org/sm/
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill now at IOM

[Dave Johnson]

Carl,
As the finder of SM41, I'm happy to see it go to a good home!  I'm still out 
hunting and hope to add another (or more) to the list. 
David Johnson
Sacramento,CA

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On May 18, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Carl Agee  wrote:

> Thanks to Mike Miller and Ruben Garcia, "Sutter's Mill" is now part of
> the IOM collection. Check out these two exquisite gems -- the fusion
> crust is simply gorgeous. SM 31 on right is fully crusted. We also
> acquired some fragments for research. Guess what will be on the
> microprobe next week!
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4003688969531&set=a.1076549432872.2012978.1200325441&type=1&ref=nf
> 
> --
> Carl B. Agee
> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
> 
> Tel: (505) 750-7172
> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: a...@unm.edu
> http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell & more meteorites ending on eBay soon!

[Dave Gheesling]

Hello All,

Glad this is getting some attention...again.  

A few years ago I went back and forth on the list with a long-time dealer 
selling "hammers" as pretty much any stone from any fall where at least one 
stone had hit anything noteworthy (a subjective matter, to be sure).  The 
banter thankfully resulted in a disclaimer being added to his site, although 
it's doubtful that many prospective buyers will ever find it there.

This hammer fall stuff is misleading, to be sure, but I'm sure that in some 
cases that might not be the intent of the seller.  The beginning collector has 
no chance of getting this subtlety (which is by no means a subtle difference), 
and hopefully it will at some point come to an end...along with the actual 
hammering of hammers ;-)

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of 
e...@meteoritesusa.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:46 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, 
Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell & more meteorites 
ending on eBay soon!

Hi All,

The use of the word "Hammer" when referencing/advertising meteorites, should 
only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact (man made 
object).

Using the word "Hammer" or Hammer Fall" in advertisements to sell stones that 
are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing, especially to new 
collectors. It can cause much more confusion later when those pieces are resold 
to other meteorite collectors because an inexperienced collector may say it is 
a fragment of a hammer stone, not understanding the difference between the 
terms "hammer stone" and "hammer fall".

An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words "Hammer Fall" in 
advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period.

Regards,
Eric




On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote:
> Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE 
> meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges.
>
> There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer 
> Hodges meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the 
> I.M.C.A. for misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will 
> never buy anything from him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, 
> but not the house-hitter. I would venture to guess that most of the 
> public would not know the difference, and that's what he's counting on!
> Anita
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: "meteorh...@aol.com"
> To: Michael Farmer; 
> meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Shawn 
> Alan
> Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist
> Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 11:30:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, 
> NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell&  
> more meteorites ending on eBay soon!
>
> Mike and all,
>
> I agree with you the marketing "Such and Such Hammer Fall" is very 
> often misleading and if such a term is ever used, I think there should 
> be an obvious express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT 
> from the one that actually hit the object, unless of course there is 
> documentation to prove that
> it is from that specimen.   I would think the F.T.C. would agree.
>
> However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to 
> secure a few grams of THE Sylacaga hammer that hit Mrs. Hodges via a 
> core sample taken from it. His records showed it did NOT come from the 
> Smithsonian's specimen but rather the museum that held it back in the 
> 1960's. This was only a few grams total and was sold to the market back in 
> 1999.
>
> The provenance should be strong with those pieces, and that data 
> should have been passed on for the lucky few that have a piece. 
> Personally I would think they should have a very significant premium over the 
> "Non-Hammer Syclaga"
> pieces.  A side note, due to the core shape, "full slices" of the core 
> will be coin shaped and part slices should have at least part of the edge in 
> a arch.
>
> Steve Arnold
> Host of Meteorite Men
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Farmer
> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 22:39:54
> To: Shawn Alan
> Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999,
>  Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City,
>  Barwell&  more meteorites ending on eBay soon!
>
> Except the s

Re: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill Find 17.7g

[Dave Johnson]

Mike,
Looks like you are the only one to make a find in Cronan Ranch?
Dave Johnson
SM41

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Re: [meteorite-list] american meteorite museum mets and labels )AD)

[dave carothers]

BWAAA H HA!!!

- Original Message - 
From: "steve arnold" 

To: "meteorite-list" 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] american meteorite museum mets and labels )AD)



Hi list. does anyone have any american meteorite museum meteorites
with the AMM label forsale for under $300? Let me know off list.

--
Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill.
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite outreach booth

[Dave Gheesling]

Top stuff!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Hankey
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:29 PM
To: meteoritelist
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite outreach booth

I had a meteorite outreach booth at a farm festival inside the lancaster pa
strewnfield today. this is the first time I've ever done something like this
and must say, it was the most productive day I've had since I started
meteorite hunting.

I uploaded some pictures of my booth to facebook if you want to check it
out.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150638611853530.405407.552643529
&type=3
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Dave Gheesling]

Thanks for the photo of Robert's Tissint individuals, Paul.  One word: sick
;-)
All the best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

Tissint

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?

[Dave Gheesling]

Michael,

You indicate here that the Bensour main mass is 9.2 kg, but that it is
broken into three pieces.  Which of the three pieces is the main mass, and
how big is it?

http://www.meteoriteguy.com/bensour-hunt.htm

Truly a spectacular meteorite, by the way!

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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Farmer
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:54 AM
To: 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jeff Grossman
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is there a Main Mass list?

It should be the largest remaining piece of a known meteorite, certainly not
a complicated issue.


Michael Farmer

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On Jan 24, 2012, at 9:43 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
> 
> I have always used your definition. Unfortunately the term "main mass" has
become a marketing term meaning "the largest know sample"
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter Scherff
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Re: [meteorite-list] NEW CONCORD - A recent trade with ASU

[Dave Gheesling]

Epic...just epic.
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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SPACE
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 9:57 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW CONCORD - A recent trade with ASU

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/new-concord.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] Forest City meteorite, Fell May 2, 1890, Winnebago County, Iowa.

[Dave Gheesling]

Wow...thanks Michael & Michael...an amazing stone!
Dave
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http://www.rocksfromspace.org/forest_city.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Breja Stone, chondrite

[Dave Gheesling]

VERY nice, Svend!
Dave
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Re: [meteorite-list] RSPOD RETURNS.... MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[Dave Gheesling]

Top stuff, Michael...been too long!

And a great pic, too...looks to be a spectacular event and meteorite...

All the best,

Dave
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Subject: [meteorite-list] RSPOD RETURNS MERRY CHRISTMAS!

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_25_2011.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality

[dave carothers]

Polygraph instruments are not meant to "read your mind".  They only measure 
changes to the autonomic nervous system (BP, galvinic skin response, heart 
rate, etc.).  When properly calibrated, the instrument does exactly that. 
You can't beat a peoperly calibrated polygraph instrument.


You can, however, beat/fool the examiner and as Rob already stated, there 
are instances of pathological liars defeating the exam.  Their autonomic 
nervous system doesn't respond like the norm and therefore deception is not 
indicated during the exam questioning.


Merry Christmas everyone!

Dave

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To: "Matson, Robert D." 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality



Rob,

There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.

The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable, 
unscientific and biased."


I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood 
pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many 
scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind, 
then why bother with a trial?


Phil Whitmer


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To: "dorifry" ; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
; "Benjamin P. Sun" 

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
Subject: Polygraph testing legality


Phil wrote:


Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).


Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
contractor on a special-access-required program.  ;-)


Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.


Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
But they can be defeated by pathological liars.  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mis-Conception Junction (casual similarities to Brenham)

[Dave Gheesling]

See "About": www.conceptionjunctionpallasite.com

All best,

Dave
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:35 PM
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Cc: Michael Farmer; Dick Lipke; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: Mis-Conception Junction (casual similarities to Brenham)

Hi Dave and List,

Thanks for the explanation.  I guess the casual resemblance to Brenham is
just another good quality that makes Conception Junction interesting.  It's
definitely a beautiful pallasite.

Does anyone have a photo of a back-lit specimen with translucent olivines
they can share with the List?

Are there any green olivines found in Conception Junction?

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 11/11/11, Dave Gheesling  wrote:
> Mike G wrote: "I have only seen photos, but if I was presented with a 
> slice of each in a "blind taste test", I would be at a loss to tell 
> one from the other."
>
> Actually, you wouldn't.  What's missing is scale, and the Conception 
> Junction crystals are substantially smaller than Brenham (or just 
> about any other known pallasite, for that matter).  We ran some 
> comparisons, and I think the average Brenham crystal diameter was 
> about 7.5 mm compared to only
> 4.5 mm for Conception Junction.  It's strikingly obvious when you see 
> it in person, and there are actually quite a good number of other 
> aesthetic distinctions as well.  Then there are the comparative 
> analyses Dr. Wasson conducted, which are to some extent detailed in 
> the monograph and are beyond conclusive in terms of dilenating 
> Conception Junction's uniqueness from Brenham -- or any other known
pallasite.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dave
> www.fallingrocks.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Gilmer [mailto:meteoritem...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:22 PM
> To: d...@fallingrocks.com
> Cc: Michael Farmer; Dick Lipke; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: Mis-Conception Junction (casual similarities to Brenham)
>
> Hi Dave and List,
>
> The title of your post gave me a good chuckle - quite punny and 
> definitely appropriate.
>
> Nobody would blame Dr. Korotev for that mess of an article.  Although, 
> I think this entire affair can be laid to rest if some billionaire (or 
> lotto
> winner) would simply step forward and take one for the team - I have a 
> part-slice of El Hammami that I am willing to sell for several million 
> dollars, thus setting the precedent required to make the article accurate.
>
> While we are on the subject of this new pallasite, I'd like to bring 
> up a question that was briefly touched upon in the past - the visual 
> similarity between Conception Junction and Brenham.
>
> I realize that the analysis has been done and these two meteorites are 
> not the same.  However, is there some chance that the two finds may be
> casually related in some way?   To the eye, based on visual
> appearances alone, Brenham and Conception Junction do look similar.
> Now, I may be speaking from ignorance, since I have never seen a 
> specimen of Conception Junction in person.  I have only seen photos, 
> but if I was presented with a slice of each in a "blind taste test", I 
> would be at a loss to tell one from the other.
>
> Is there any possibility that these two meteorites might share the 
> same parent body, or be launch-paired in some way?  Are there any 
> similarities in cosmic ray exposure data, terrestrial age, oxygen 
> isotope (or any other compositional data) for these meteorites?
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
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>
>
> On 11/11/11, Dave Gheesling  wrote:
>> Michael & All,
>>
>> As indicated before, we're as disappointed in the sensationalism that 
>> hit the wire with this article 

Re: [meteorite-list] Mis-Conception Junction (casual similarities to Brenham)

[Dave Gheesling]

Mike G wrote: "I have only seen photos, but if I was presented with a slice
of each in a "blind taste test", I would be at a loss to tell one from the
other."

Actually, you wouldn't.  What's missing is scale, and the Conception
Junction crystals are substantially smaller than Brenham (or just about any
other known pallasite, for that matter).  We ran some comparisons, and I
think the average Brenham crystal diameter was about 7.5 mm compared to only
4.5 mm for Conception Junction.  It's strikingly obvious when you see it in
person, and there are actually quite a good number of other aesthetic
distinctions as well.  Then there are the comparative analyses Dr. Wasson
conducted, which are to some extent detailed in the monograph and are beyond
conclusive in terms of dilenating Conception Junction's uniqueness from
Brenham -- or any other known pallasite.

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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From: Michael Gilmer [mailto:meteoritem...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 6:22 PM
To: d...@fallingrocks.com
Cc: Michael Farmer; Dick Lipke; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: Mis-Conception Junction (casual similarities to Brenham)

Hi Dave and List,

The title of your post gave me a good chuckle - quite punny and definitely
appropriate.

Nobody would blame Dr. Korotev for that mess of an article.  Although, I
think this entire affair can be laid to rest if some billionaire (or lotto
winner) would simply step forward and take one for the team - I have a
part-slice of El Hammami that I am willing to sell for several million
dollars, thus setting the precedent required to make the article accurate.

While we are on the subject of this new pallasite, I'd like to bring up a
question that was briefly touched upon in the past - the visual similarity
between Conception Junction and Brenham.

I realize that the analysis has been done and these two meteorites are not
the same.  However, is there some chance that the two finds may be
casually related in some way?   To the eye, based on visual
appearances alone, Brenham and Conception Junction do look similar.
Now, I may be speaking from ignorance, since I have never seen a specimen of
Conception Junction in person.  I have only seen photos, but if I was
presented with a slice of each in a "blind taste test", I would be at a loss
to tell one from the other.

Is there any possibility that these two meteorites might share the same
parent body, or be launch-paired in some way?  Are there any similarities in
cosmic ray exposure data, terrestrial age, oxygen isotope (or any other
compositional data) for these meteorites?

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 11/11/11, Dave Gheesling  wrote:
> Michael & All,
>
> As indicated before, we're as disappointed in the sensationalism that 
> hit the wire with this article as anyone, as if any of us knew about 
> it prior, it obviously could have been prevented.
>
> Diana Lutz, the WUSTL writer of the first article that started the 
> mess, however, actually wrote a nice article for the most part.  I've 
> spoken with her at length, and she not only corrected the gross error 
> in value -- she deleted value references entirely, which is quite 
> uncommon in journalism today.  Her mistake, which jumps off the screen 
> at those of us in the meteorite community who are familiar with 
> meteorite values, was an honest miscalculation on her part, and she 
> feels badly about it.  So at the end of the day, her work is probably
undeserving of the descriptive "bunk"
> (although I do share your frustration, Michael).  Her revised article
> follows:
>
> http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/22942.aspx
>
> I should also note again that none of this was Dr. Korotev's fault.  
> He gave a great interview, and there was simply a disconnect in their 
> discussion of value...nothing more.
>
> Some of the stories that followed when Diana's article was picked up 
> have also been corrected or at least modified, although it's 
> frustrating to watch reporters simply refuse to get away from the 
> notion of "heavenly values" and that sort of BS (which was obviously 
> the reason most of them ran the story in the first place, which is a 
> shame).  Anyway, we've worked hard to stop everything that we could, 
> but I'm afraid the mess will never be swept up entirely.
>
> Best wishes for a great weekend

[meteorite-list] Mis-Conception Junction

[Dave Gheesling]

Michael & All,

As indicated before, we're as disappointed in the sensationalism that hit
the wire with this article as anyone, as if any of us knew about it prior,
it obviously could have been prevented.

Diana Lutz, the WUSTL writer of the first article that started the mess,
however, actually wrote a nice article for the most part.  I've spoken with
her at length, and she not only corrected the gross error in value -- she
deleted value references entirely, which is quite uncommon in journalism
today.  Her mistake, which jumps off the screen at those of us in the
meteorite community who are familiar with meteorite values, was an honest
miscalculation on her part, and she feels badly about it.  So at the end of
the day, her work is probably undeserving of the descriptive "bunk"
(although I do share your frustration, Michael).  Her revised article
follows:

http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/22942.aspx

I should also note again that none of this was Dr. Korotev's fault.  He gave
a great interview, and there was simply a disconnect in their discussion of
value...nothing more.

Some of the stories that followed when Diana's article was picked up have
also been corrected or at least modified, although it's frustrating to watch
reporters simply refuse to get away from the notion of "heavenly values" and
that sort of BS (which was obviously the reason most of them ran the story
in the first place, which is a shame).  Anyway, we've worked hard to stop
everything that we could, but I'm afraid the mess will never be swept up
entirely.

Best wishes for a great weekend to all,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com
 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:48 PM
To: Michael Gilmer
Cc: Dick Lipke; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remember this common find?

Considering that it is being publicly sold for less than 1/3 that price
makes this article is bunk. Even Krasnojarsk hardly sells for $200 gram. 
Yup, this misinformation further hampers field recoveries. It is a
spectacular meteorite, it is not $3 million dollars. 


Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Michael Gilmer  wrote:

> Hi Dick and List,
> 
> Conception Junction is a spectacular pallasite find and everyone 
> involved with the find should feel a well-deserved sense of 
> accomplishment.
> 
> But, I cringe every time I see an article like this.
> 
> Worth $3.4 million dollars?  Really?  To whom?  Something is worth 
> what someone will pay for it.  In the history of meteorites, how many 
> specimens have sold for millions of dollars?  To my knowledge - none.
> 
> Carelessly throwing around cash numbers like this is irresponsible at 
> best and damages the entire meteorite community by unrealistically 
> raising expectations amongst lay people who are not knowledgeable 
> about the meteorite market.
> 
> Every article like this creates scammers intent on making a quick buck 
> from slags, landowners wanting astronomical sums for common 
> chondrites, and draws unwanted attention from legislative authorities 
> who might feel tempted to interfere with meteorite market via taxation 
> or regulation.
> 
> I expected better from Space.com.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
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> 
> On 11/10/11, Dick Lipke  wrote:
>> 
>> -
>> www.space.com/13578-missouri-farmer-rare-meteorite-conception-junctio
>> n.html I recall someone saying it was only a common find!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Lipke
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Re: [meteorite-list] Remember this common find?

[Dave Gheesling]

Hi Mike, Dick, List,

Mike G, I cringe every time as well, and this was no exception.  A few quick
things here, as I'm still at the moment working with the writers of these
articles to clear this epic mess up...

First, neither Karl, Robert or myself knew anything about either of the
recent articles (from WUSTL and Space.com) until they hit the internet.  Dr.
Korotev gave a very nice interview for the first article, some things were
lost in translation beteen himself and the writer, quite innocently, then
Space.com picked up the story and really blew it out of the water.

No time for details beyond that now, other than to apologize for even an
indirect association with these unintentional misrepresentations, which I'm
sure we can all agree are not good for the meteorite arena whatsoever.

Mike G, thank you as well for placing the criticism where it was due, which
is seemingly rather uncommon these days...

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Gilmer
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:26 PM
To: Dick Lipke
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Remember this common find?

Hi Dick and List,

Conception Junction is a spectacular pallasite find and everyone involved
with the find should feel a well-deserved sense of accomplishment.

But, I cringe every time I see an article like this.

Worth $3.4 million dollars?  Really?  To whom?  Something is worth what
someone will pay for it.  In the history of meteorites, how many specimens
have sold for millions of dollars?  To my knowledge - none.

Carelessly throwing around cash numbers like this is irresponsible at best
and damages the entire meteorite community by unrealistically raising
expectations amongst lay people who are not knowledgeable about the
meteorite market.

Every article like this creates scammers intent on making a quick buck from
slags, landowners wanting astronomical sums for common chondrites, and draws
unwanted attention from legislative authorities who might feel tempted to
interfere with meteorite market via taxation or regulation.

I expected better from Space.com.

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 11/10/11, Dick Lipke  wrote:
>
> -
>  
> www.space.com/13578-missouri-farmer-rare-meteorite-conception-junction
> .html  I recall someone saying it was only a common find!!!
>
>
>  Richard Lipke
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Re: [meteorite-list] Dr. Randy Korotev

[Dave Gheesling]

Great stuff indeed, Pete, as always from Dr. Korotev.  Also enjoyed the
surprise Conception Junction appearance over the last two minutes.  I don't
think Dr. Korotev mentioned it in the video, but Karl recently donated that
polished specimen to WUSTL...
All the best,
Dave
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To: meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: [meteorite-list] Dr. Randy Korotev




Continuing to educate us...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQO335Y3zXo

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Re: [meteorite-list] Almahata Sitta still giving up secrets

[Dave Gheesling]

Great read, Linton...thanks for the forward!
Dave
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Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 5:26 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Almahata Sitta still giving up secrets

Greetings listoids.
I came across this well written article on Almahata Sitta at the Universe
Today, and thought it worthy of sharing. Enjoy!
http://www.universetoday.com/89656/the-asteroid-that-fell-to-earth-meteorite
s-from-2008-tc3-still-giving-up-their-secrets/
I hope this long link will work.
Linton 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[dave carothers]

Actually, it looks more like a freeze-dried arabica.

Dave
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Hi Count Guido

I was wondering if it was really a Portuguese name or error or inside joke 
for Canyon Diablo, but it sure looks like an authentic iron Chingazo now,


Kindest wishes
Doug


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Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:11 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day


Chingaso Diablo How many Listees know what that says in Mexican slang?

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

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Chingaso Diablo

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad and new website announcement

[Dave Gheesling]

Very nice moon rock and website, Jack!  And great S&T article, Michael!
Congrats,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Schrader
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:27 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad and new website announcement

Hello list members!
 
 I would like to take this opportunity to introduce you to my very newly
created website: www.otherworldsmeteorites.net  or
 www.otherworldsmeteorites.com.    My involvement in this wonderful passion
for meteorites has evolved to the point where it was just time to have my
own website and I would like to sincerely thank my incredibly talented
daughter-in-law Dr. Jemma Davidson for her help and EXTREME patience with me
in creating this website.  To inaugurate my website I have a new lunar
meteorite featured for sale, NWA 6721.  This lunar meteorite was discovered
in the Hamada du Draa region of NWA sometime in early to mid 2010.  This
lunar material has a very low tkw of 184 grams distributed among 17
individual stones.   The material was expertly and beautifully prepared by
Marlin Cilz of the Montana Meteorite Laboratory.  All slices are full slices
prepared from the individual stones and are cut to a minimum thickness of
1.0 to 1.5  mm in order to give the collector the maximum surface area to
weight ratio.  The slices have also been highly polished on one side only by
Marlin.  There are also a good number of end cuts available as well.  These
are especially nice to have as they represent well the exterior appearance
of the original stone on one side and the beauty of the feldspathic breccia
on the other highly polished prepared side.  Also, I have spared seven of
the nicer smaller stones in order to offer the collector the rare
opportunity to add a complete individual of NWA 6721 to their collections! 
There is less than 75 grams of this material available to collectors so
there will not be much to go around.
 So please feel free to check out my website remembering that it is
still in its infancy.  As I become more proficient at managing the website,
I will be adding more meteorites for sale from my collection and
acquisitions as well as picturing some of my collection in the gallery.
 Thanks for looking and best wishes, Jack Schrader IMCA #2329
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Re: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test

[Dave Gheesling]

Michael & All,

Dr. Wasson submitted his classification of the Conception Junction pallasite
(PMG) to the Nomenclature Committee last month, and presumably it will be
posted to the Meteorite Bulletin before long.  Since much of this
information is not publicly available at the moment, please find below an
excerpt from Dr. Wasson's contribution to the monograph.  He also complied
an interesting chart for comparative analysis, but I'm not sure how to post
that information with plain text.  Anyway, hope this helps answer some of
the good questions that have been posted:

"The information I report here shows there is no main-group pallasite that
is closely related to Conception Junction.  Conception Junction is unique.

"If I compare Conception Junction with other main group pallasites (PMG)
with Au contents within 10% of that in Conception Junction (i.e. in the
range 2.0 to 2.5 mg/g Au), only Seymchan and PCA 91004 have Ir
concentrations within a factor of two of that in Conception Junction.

"If I sort on Ir, I find that there is no other PMG among the 40 that I have
studied that has a closely similar Ir value.  The nearest are Pescora
Escarpment 91004 (0.76 mg/g Ir), Seymchan (0.67 mg/g) and Barcis, a scarcely
studied Russian PMG (0.32 mg/g Ir).

"The Co content of this sample is high (6.0 mg/g). If I sort my PMG data on
the basis of Co, I find that there are three irons with higher Co, namely
Krasnojarsk, Rawlinna 001 and one sample of Phillips County, and a couple
more that are slightly lower, namely Springwater and Zaisho.

"The Ni content is also rather low, as is shown in the chart below comparing
Conception Junction to PCA 91004, Seymchan, Barcis and Krasnojarsk.

"In summary, the composition of the metal in Conception Junction differs
from all other known pallasites."

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com
www.conceptionjunctionpallasite.com
 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Fowler
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:04 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Michael Fowler
Subject: [meteorite-list] CONCEPTION JUNCTION, MISSOURI PALLASITE - AD/test



Wasson's statement that: 

.there is no main-group pallasite that is closely related to Conception
Junction. Conception Junction is unique." 

leaves open the question at to what is the classification?  Is it ungrouped,
or perhaps, main group anomalous?

I would be most interested to know the major and trace element analysis so I
could form my own opinion.


Sincerely, 

Mike Fowler
Chicago

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Re: [meteorite-list] Conception Junction

[Dave Gheesling]

Bernd, Michael G., & All,
 
I see that Robert got a draft of this note out earlier, but I've added a
little more detail here as well.  Michael M. hit on part of this in his
post, but you raised a reasonable question that we're happy to address.
 
Obviously we had concerns about specimen transport prior to acquiring the
meteorite in Conception Junction -- not because the landowner wasn't
credible, but rather because it was possible a the stone was transported by
a native American, perhaps centuries ago.
 
It's hard in photographs to notice this at first due to a lack of
perspective (even with a scale cube), but the average crystal diameter of
Brenham specimens we used for comparison was about 7.5 millimeters, whereas
Conception Junction crystals average only about 4.5 millimeters -- among the
smallest of all known pallasites.  It's painfully obvious in a direct
comparison that the two are quite different based on physical
characteristics alone (for several reasons, not just crystal size, including
crystal aesthetics and the relatively unique exterior).
 
Then of course there are the findings of UCLA's Dr. John Wasson, the world's
authority on iron and pallasitic meteorites, which are detailed in the
monograph through his contribution to same.  To summarize, he wrote (as
Michael M. noted), "The information I report here shows there is no main
group pallasite that is closely related to Conception Junction.  Conception
Junction is unique."  He had several other points to make as well,
including, "In summary, the composition of the metal in Conception Junction
differs from all other known pallasites."

Apologies for the bit of redundancy included in this post, but hope it
helps...
 
All the best,
 
Dave

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bernd V.
Pauli
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:49 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Conception Junction

MichaelG. wrote:

"In all seriousness, it is an attractive pallasite.
 At first glance, it has a passing resemblance  to Brenham."

In all seriousness: not only at first glance does it look like Brenham. It
does look suspiciously like Brenham.

Maybe it is a transported Brenham mass!

Cheers,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Slightly OT ad - STS-1

[dave]

Well, I know it isnt a meteorite, but it is a bit space-related

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270807046695?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

A piece of  STS-1 ...

thank you for your indulgence.


dave
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[meteorite-list] NEW PALLASITE in UNITED STATES - AD

[Dave Gheesling]

Hi List,
Robert Ward and I had preferred that Karl Aston make this announcement to
the meteorite list, but Karl is evidently having trouble making his post.
Rather than rewriting the same message, I've just copied Karl's intended
note below and am sending on behalf of the group...
All the best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Kenya meteorite

[Dave Gheesling]

That's a great story, Michael, and it looks to be a great meteorite as
well...
Congrats!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:28 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Kenya meteorite

A little more background on the fall, 

First want to thank Greg Hupe who went with me for trip #2 less than a week
after trip one. I wanted to get more money, get the first stones home safe
and in the lab and back to Kenya. I had to cancel another trip planned for
months with Greg, so only proper thing to do was invite him. He was most
accomodating of the rapid change in continents we were going to visit when
he saw the stones I got from the first trip.

Congrats to Robert Ward who also recovered a stone in the field, saving it
from sure destruction under tropical rains. 


We had a lot of fun, we also worked our asses off, dawn to dark, endless
hours of every day stuck in traffic jams just to reach the strewnfield. 
Cobras, yes, I am not kidding, Greg had close encounter with a Cobra that
stood up and scared one of our workers nearly to death, he ran from the
field, Greg went to see it but it went down a hole before he saw it. Place
crawling with snakes, I was of course in shorts:) so after the worker came
screaming to the car, I left the field myself for safer quarters. 

The people were nice, the secret police found us, threatened us, got to the
point and demanded their cut of the payday to allow us to work. The usual in
Africa, another day, another shilling. 

I paid great money to the locals, either for stones or for workers and
supervisors to monitor the workers, money none of them could refuse, most of
them got a year or years of salary for stone worthless to them, changed
their lives. For example the woman who sold me the 3.5 kg stone bought cows
and pigs, went back to give her photos I promised her, she told me she
invested some of the money in livestock, she bought 4 piglets and told me in
a year she would have 20 pigs. she could not afford a single pig before that
meteorite fell and like a gift from heaven, she got more money than she had
ever seen in her life. I will not sell it. 

More than one month after the fall, hundreds of deperately poor people
searching, 11.8 kg has been found plus the ~2.5 kg original mass. 
I thought more would be found, but not so easy. 

I flew 39,224 miles, spent more than $28,000 on expenses, went on safari,
saw things I have never seen, and recovered a meteorite for science and
collectors alike. 

Hopefully this is a good thing, but sadly I am sure some will try to destroy
my work. 
Thanks for the support from those who like what I do to get you the things
in your collections. 

Trying to work on a webpage, but my computer will have none of it, so giving
up for the day. Will try again tomorrow. 
Michael Farmer
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[meteorite-list] Available For Trade update - AD

[Dave Gheesling]

Hello All,

Four big pieces on my updated AFT page: http://fallingrocks.com/trade.htm

Thanks for looking, and all the best,

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 

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[meteorite-list] Ad - Ebay stuff

[dave]

Bonjour tout le monde,

Here are some Ebayable goodies

Vigarano micro:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270791547037&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

Canyon Diablo:
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Mt Tazerzait:
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NWA 001:
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NWA 1877:
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Bovedy, Ireland - crusty micro:
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Thank you for your indulgences

dave
IMCA #0092


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Re: [meteorite-list] Polandmet 10th anniversary

[Dave Gheesling]

Congratulations, Marcin!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Marcin
Cimala
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 2:39 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Polandmet 10th anniversary

Hello
Tooday is special day for me.
10 years ago, after speaking with my parents about my personal future, I
decided to try selling meteorites and maybe become a dealer one day. All
this years was very succesfull for me. I meet alot of meteorite friends,
visit many meteorite places and whats most importand I bay and sell many
many meteorites.
But begining was difficult as I dont have much money for meteorites. But
this was not the biggest problem at this time. Poland was not part of EU, so
every box was checked by customs. PayPal for many years dont even have idea
that there is such country like Poland. I use Western Unuion BidPay check
that was very difficult to exchange for real money as noone in banks know
what the hell is this. Many times I buy or sell meteorite just for money
sended in registered mails without any insurance.
This was funny past

Right now I celebrating Polandmet 10th anniversary. Thank You all who buy
meteorites from me. I hope I can do same job for next 10 years.

I prepared some old stuff  on my page :) My first Polandmet website from
2001/2002 http://www.polandmet.com/old_polandmet/index.htm
10 years of Polandmet - photos compilation
http://www.polandmet.com/+10years.htm

And ofcourse for the next 24h all purchases get 20% discount for everything
!

Hey, where is my champagne ??? :)

Have a nice monrning, day, evening, night !

-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]




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Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.

[dave carothers]

Nice ideas Gary, but unfortunately, you're talknig about TV.  TV is about 
making money and while you and others might like to see more of the 
scientific side of meteorite hunting/collecting, it doesn't sell to the 
masses.


Regards,

Dave

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Fujihara" 

To: "Count Deiro" 
Cc: ; 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collateral Damage.


Not good.  My take on the Meteorite Men television show is that there is 
far too much emphasis on the monetary value of meteorites, and too little 
on the scientific importance.  There is sooo much to be learned on so many 
levels regarding these wonderful rocks from space, that the program could 
carve a respectable niche within a populace of men, women and children 
yearning for knowledge of meteorites and meteoritical science.  Instead, 
the producers appear to be pandering to the lowest common denominator in 
the quest for ratings, and the results are unquestionably apparent from 
the flood of bogus meteorites on ebay to the solicitors of slag that the 
Count has encountered.  Sad.


Although I don't blame Steve and Geoff for this situation, I do hope that 
they can inspire their producers and sponsors to take the high road toward 
intelligent network programming.


gary

On Jul 2, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Count Deiro wrote:


Hello to all,

May I share an experience I had yesterday afternoon that saddened me and 
left me questioning the merits of sensationalizing the trade in 
meteorites.


I recently began inserting a free  announcement in a nationally read 
online list stating simply that "I BUY METEORITES". Included in the 
announcement are some simple qualifying tests that I hope will weed out 
most of the "wrongs". I advise that if it turns out that you have a 
meteorite I will charge you $25.00 for the initial examination and I will 
help you get it confirmed and classified if you wish. If the find is 
terrestrial I will not charge any fee and I will suggest you get a second 
opinion.


Well, this has worked out pretty well. I've had a half dozen calls in the 
last six weeks and several of those have resulted in "finds". One 
particular 100 gram individual has already been classified as a rare type 
and I was able to secure a nice slice for my collection.


Then this happened. I received a call from a young woman who said she was 
in a neighboring State and had traded all she had for over a hundred 
pounds of "irons" and wanted to know how much were they "going for". She 
used a few meteoritical terms to proudly describe her acquisitions, but I 
could tell she had gotten whatever she had learned from whatever source a 
bit wrong. She talked fast and excitedly saying her meteorites were 
"really heavy and magnetic". She insisted she had studied and knew they 
were meteorites. All of them.


She went on to say that she had sold her fifth wheel trailer in 
Quartsite, Arizona and the man who bought it was a "rock dealer" and had 
suggested she trade everything in the travel trailer for these 
"meteorites". She now wanted to cash in and would I be interested. She 
said she would meet me in a few days, but low and behold she arrived the 
next afternoon.


Now picture this. It was 112 degrees when she and her husband and five 
kids, ages three months to thirteen, arrive in a beat up Chevy truck with 
all their possessions stacked up in the back. And no air conditioning. 
After I dispensed bottles of water and got the tribe into the shade, she 
excitedly announced let's look at the meteorites and ordered her quiet 
and unassuming husband to lug the boxes and briefcases out from under the 
stroller and baby food into my garage.


The instant the first of the samples were lovingly laid out on my bench 
it was apparent to me they were terrestrial rocks. She had at least fifty 
pounds of "slag" and even large and small chunks of basalt and sandstone. 
She picked up the rocks one after the other for me to admire while all 
the while chattering inanely about how they were "stony iron" or "irons" 
and pointing out features to prove her identification and get me 
interested.


I finally stopped her selling pitch by recommending we cut a few. I cut a 
dozen of the best prospects which all turned out to be terrestrial. I 
decided I would have to tell her as tactfully as I could. I went and 
selected some "rights" and "wrongs" from my collection and proceeded to 
teach a little meteorite identification 101. It didn't take long for her 
to realize that she didn't have any meteorites.


I told her how sorry I was, and that I wanted her to have meteorites, and 
would have been pleased to do business with her. But it unfortunately 
wasn't the case. She and her husband looked stricken. She said " I gave 
everything we had.&

Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Dave Myers]

Dear List, and Norm,

WOW!

In this thread the only 2 things that has been said that is counter-productive 
for anyone just getting started in the search for meteorites is,

Norm's   disrespectful comments! (for 1)  "This 
is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones." Norm 
I 
have been on the list for 3.5-4 years, I was brought up and raised to be
respectful to other people in this small farming town.You do not know 
anything about me...so why would you make a comment like that!


The second comment by you is compairing the glacier area of ( NE WA.) to that 
of 
OHIO-INDIANA)    WHAT???  That is like compairing the moon to mars ! 


Norm, for the past 35 years out of my 51, I have been a amateur Archaeologist, 
I 
have found over 450 artifacts in 4 counties in south west Ohio, I can Identify 
each and everyone, I have recorded all my finds. I have discovered 20 village 
sites!

And for the past 35 years, I have been an amateur geologist, I can Identify the 
common rock typs that are Igneous, sedimentary and metamorphic.

My favorite rocks to collect are the "one of a kind," metamorphic rocks, and 
the 
basalts with  subporphyritic texture.(like what is found in some achondrites)

So if i may, let me tell you all about the morianes in Ohio and Indiana.

On top of of the rocks(morians) is 8-10 inch's. of a sandy soil. (thats is 
where 
after 6 years of searching I found my 1st meteorite 4-9-2011)

There are not that many glacier rocks, But a few, But also since 4-9. I found 2 
fluted clovis points, in the same mix(there 10-14,000 years old). and 40ty 
other 
artifacts in this 8-10' of soil.

Now when I walk the hill side it gets very rocky, the soil now is only 4-6"deep 
on the moriane, But guess what in  this rocky area is where I found my 
second banged-up chondrite! (which is different from the 1st!) and my third 
un-fluted paleo point, about 12 feet away!


Now let me tell you a secret I have discovered after walking these rolling 
hills 
(morianes) for 35 years. Less  then 10% of the rocks even in the rocky areas 
are 
brown or black!  What color are  fresh chondrites.Black, what color are 
weathered chondrites, "BROWN" 


So to  all new meteorites hunters, If you can spot the brown marbles in a bag 
of 
mixed multi-colored marbles, you can find meteorites even in the rocky
hill side of a morianein ohio,indiana, and Illinoise that is.


Now back to what I found, yes I am only guessing about there age, most of my 
UNWA stones are slices, end cuts of have very black fusion crust on them. What 
I 
found looks more weathered, So yes I still may be very wrong to there age. 


Also the glacier ice was 2-5 miles high, the bull-dozer moriane piles are at 
the 
bottom of the ice, How long did it take the ice to build befor its advance
south, 100,150,000,YEARS? how many meteorites were traped in the ice during 
that 
time frame.  ?  So Norm, I was not talking about the meteorites on the ground 
before the glacier came,  But common sense tells me that any meteorites IN THE 
ICE, when the ice melts, WILL BE ON TOP OF THE MORIANE.


NOW FOR THE "ID" COMMENTS!

20 DEALERS ON HERE SALE, unwa-chondrites, I have got them and other meteorites 
from 4 of you. (they are 100%) gurenteed to be meteorites?

So for what I know about rocks, in my area, and the pictures of what you all 
sold me,  know that they are real meteorites!

Now, after 6 years of searching for meteorites, only after 4-9-2011 Have I 
found 
2 stones that, look like chondrites. There is now doubt that are both 
chondrites. There are "NO OTHER ROCKS ON EARTH, THAT LOOK LIKE a L or H 
chondrite!  so they do not have to be ID, but yes they do need to
get classifide.


Wow, I cannot waite to here the comments after I post photos of my 3 possiable 
achondrites I found on the same glacier morian. LOL



Here are photos of the glacier moraine I am hunting, The 1st 4 photos are the 
more rocky hill side, the other photos are the top of the morine that have 
little rocks showing where I found the 1st meteorite


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.233863486630644.81086.10209843157&l=601eb88043












 













 


- Original Message 
From: Norm Lehrman 
To: Dave Myers 
Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:08:35 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

All,

I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting 
started in the search for meteorites.  The glacier angle is, in this case, thin 
ice.  First, Antarctica is a very special case:  in general glacial moraines 
are 

an absolutely horrible place to look.  I'm with Mike.  If you've got genuine 
meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the moraine deposits.  
Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Dave Myers]

Hi Mike you may be right.

But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from the same 
fall. But they both could be from different falls??


And when you look at the glacier map I posted with all the iron finds in south 
west ohio, non of them are paired? 


just my thoughts.

Thanks again

Dave Myers





 


- Original Message 
From: meteoriteguy.com 
To: Dave Myers 
Cc: tracy latimer ; "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 

Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

Guys,
It is very unlikely that these
Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a strewnfield like 
any other. 

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers  wrote:

> Hi Tracy
> 
> All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does not show 
> the 

> smaller ones in Butler county and other countys.
> 
> There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton 
> county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on that farm.
> 
> I want to hunt that really bad.
> 
> Will ask next them next year.
> 
> 
> Dave Myers
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: tracy latimer 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
> 
> 
> That was my thought as well.  There seem to be parallels here between the 
> Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by glacier, and the stones you 
> are 
>
> finding.  Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in fields?  There is 
> a 

> reason why Moraine, OH was named that!
> 
> Best!
> Tracy Latimer
> 
>> From: mikest...@gmail.com
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>> 
>> Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils, like are
>> commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for deeper stones?
>> 
>> -Michael in so. Cal.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone -
>>> 
>>> Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of 
>>> weathering, 
>
>> but then -
>>> 
>>> Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own 
>> meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways?
>>> 
>>> Dave, thanks for sharing.
>>> 
>>> E.P.
>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Dave Myers]

Hi Tracy

All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does not show the 
smaller ones in Butler county and other countys.

There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton 
county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on that farm.

I want to hunt that really bad.

Will ask next them next year.


Dave Myers



- Original Message 
From: tracy latimer 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits


That was my thought as well.  There seem to be parallels here between the 
Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by glacier, and the stones you are 
finding.  Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in fields?  There is a 
reason why Moraine, OH was named that!

Best!
Tracy Latimer

> From: mikest...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
> Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils, like are
> commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for deeper stones?
>
> -Michael in so. Cal.
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone -
> >
> > Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of 
> > weathering, 
>but then -
> >
> > Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own 
>meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways?
> >
> > Dave, thanks for sharing.
> >
> > E.P.
> >
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Dave Myers]

Hi E.P.

This map is too interesting, this is the glacier map of ohio and I ploted where 
the last 13 meteorites were found.

Butler county is right above Hamilton county,(cincinnati) The meteorites found 
in hamilton Co. were found in the Hopewell mound (so cant really count them, 
But 
look at the other finds.  Also the last glacier receded to lake Erie area 
18,000 
years ago


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- Original Message 
From: E.P. Grondine 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 2:11:34 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

Hi everyone - 

Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of weathering, 
but then - 


Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own 
meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways?

Dave, thanks for sharing.

E.P.


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Re: [meteorite-list] 1st-2nd Ohio meteorite

[Dave Myers]

Thanks everyone,

I am still in shock!

I need metal detector help! I have a whites (I think xlt modle) the older one 
with the needle, not the newer one that is digt, display.

The two fields where I found the two meteorites, I been back over them 3 times 
each with the metal detector! The good news is I am picking up  hot rocks, 3-5 
inches down, which is the same as my calibration stone(200 gram .unwa, will get 
a hit) These two fields are about 50 acers each on this 400 acer farm ( he is 
farming 4000 acers thow) I might get access?

I need a coil ( i think, That will pick up hot rocks and chondrites 8-10 inches 
down, If there is any more meteorites! (if this is a old fall)
Any sugestions.


This past week My old school freind did plant, If he planted corn, I can still 
hunt for a while, anything else its over for the year. the rolls will be too 
narrow  except his two pastures.I can walk them, But the Ticks are bad this 
year.

Thanks for any help.

Dave Myers










 


- Original Message 
From: Rob Wesel 
To: Dave Myers ; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 11:32:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 1st-2nd Ohio meteorite

That is one hell of a cold find, congrats Dave!

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From: "Dave Myers" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:27 PM
To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] 1st-2nd Ohio meteorite

> Dear List,
> 
> A few people on here already know, But on 4-9-2011 I found my 1st meteorite 
>here
> in Butler county Ohio.(very oriented, thumb printed)  On the 11th I had a job
> interview and got hired on the spot after being laid off for some time.(Talk
> about finding your lucky star)
> 
> Then on 4-16-2011, I find a broken fragment of a second chondrite on the same
> farm, which is sitting on a glacier morian.
> 
> Both of these are so different, But they are chondrites.  In the past month I
> find 5 other stones that look like they could be Achondrites, (will post 
later)
> 
> I have no interest in selling meteorites, I think these should go to our local
> Geology museum which has a cool meteorite display.
> 6 yeras I was on a mission to find a meteorite, I think now it is complete. I
> found these out side the small town where I grew - up
> 
> These would be the 1st chondrites found in Butler county Ohio. The only other
> meteorite found here is the Fairfeld meteorite (iron)
> 
> If all the other suspect stones turn out to be meteorites also, then a few 
>miles
> north of  where the last glacier ended in ohio, Indiana
> 
> and Illinoise is where meteorite hunters should be looking. I think the
> sandy-gravel soil drains water quickly, and meteorites may be perserved longer
> then people think.
> 
> 
> Also I have found 40+ artifacts since april, this farm I had found artifacts 
25
> years ago. will post them also. The soil is only 8-10 deep on the glacial
> morian, 5 paleo points have found here, I found 3 of them, Most of the 
>artifacts
> are Adena Mound builder material.
> 
> But here is the albums of the two meteorites.
> 
> 
> Dave Myers
> 
> 1st meteorite
>http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231887500161576.80151.10209843157&l=424638857c
>c
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2nd meteorite
>http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231900096826983.80157.10209843157&l=62c3665dff
>f
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[meteorite-list] 1st-2nd Ohio meteorite

[Dave Myers]

Dear List,

A few people on here already know, But on 4-9-2011 I found my 1st meteorite 
here 
in Butler county Ohio.(very oriented, thumb printed)  On the 11th I had a job 
interview and got hired on the spot after being laid off for some time.(Talk 
about finding your lucky star)

Then on 4-16-2011, I find a broken fragment of a second chondrite on the same 
farm, which is sitting on a glacier morian.

Both of these are so different, But they are chondrites.  In the past month I 
find 5 other stones that look like they could be Achondrites, (will post later)

I have no interest in selling meteorites, I think these should go to our local 
Geology museum which has a cool meteorite display.
6 yeras I was on a mission to find a meteorite, I think now it is complete. I 
found these out side the small town where I grew - up

These would be the 1st chondrites found in Butler county Ohio. The only other 
meteorite found here is the Fairfeld meteorite (iron)

If all the other suspect stones turn out to be meteorites also, then a few 
miles 
north of  where the last glacier ended in ohio, Indiana 

and Illinoise is where meteorite hunters should be looking. I think the 
sandy-gravel soil drains water quickly, and meteorites may be perserved longer 
then people think. 


Also I have found 40+ artifacts since april, this farm I had found artifacts 25 
years ago. will post them also. The soil is only 8-10 deep on the glacial 
morian, 5 paleo points have found here, I found 3 of them, Most of the 
artifacts 
are Adena Mound builder material.

But here is the albums of the two meteorites.


Dave Myers

1st meteorite    
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231887500161576.80151.10209843157&l=424638857c

 
 
 
2nd meteorite   
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[meteorite-list] Blaine Reed

[Dave Gheesling]

Hi List,

Just wanted to send a quick note of admiration regarding Blaine Reed, who
most of you surely know by now.  Follow this link, click "Featured," then
click "Deport" and read the brief Remarks:
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with dealers who do the right thing...even when they don't have to.

Oh, and a special thank you to my good friend Sean Murray, who recently made
my posting site a much more pleasant place to surf...much appreciated!

All the best,

Dave Gheesling
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites

[Dave Gheesling]

Thanks again, Frank, for forwarding my below note earlier today when I was
on a web interface and couldn't directly post to the list.  Since the "scam"
and "fraud" notion is still being floated with Todd's name on it, I'm
posting again directly here so it's at least in the archives.  Apologies for
the redundancy...

Hello List,
While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a "possible
scammer" other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely
following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR
ANYTHING OF THE SORT.  To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest
people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the
meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the
recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything
other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure.
All the best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don
Merchant
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:06 PM
To: al mitt; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Chris Spratt
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar
Meteorites

Hi Al and the rest of the List. I agree totally with you Al. One thing as
you mentioned that I have noticed over the years is that there is that
chance someone can get hurt by accusations of fraud ect. Yet how can this be
done so as to avoid this? I have an idea that might work but may need
refining. Maybe we can ask the List for 2 or 3 volunteers who 1) Has been a
Listie of good and long standing. 2) Has built an excellent reputation of
their name in the meteorite community, which includes experience with buying
and selling meteorites, with knowledge of meteorite composition both
internal and external. 3) Last but not least, always desired to be a CSI and
so a great opportunity to be an MFI or Meteorite Fraud Investigator. I
myself like MFS "Meteorite Fraud Squasher!" Anyways...The List could vote 2
or 3 MFI's that have an interest. How this vote could be doneI don't
know, but I am sure with all the brilliant minds that this List has, that a
great suggestion is out there. These would be the people that the rest of
the List would contact (via another email) when a fraudulent situation takes
place. Now the rest of the List is not exposed to any allegation. The MFI's
would research the history of the suspected Dealer/Seller in a fair timely
fashion and communicate with the other 2 MFI's of their findings. Finally if
the situation is found to NOT be fraudulent, the MFI's need only contact the
person that thought fraud was taking place and explain their findings. Now
all is calm on the List. If however the findings show fraud (several very
strong circumstantial evidences could warrant fraud) Then the MFI's could
officially announce this to the List! Though the IMCA does something
similar, not everyone on this List is a Member of the IMCA. It would be
beneficial anyways, in having 2 entities helping to combat the destruction
of our collections and reputations as meteorite collectors, sellers,
dealers, and hunters, especially since the Meteorite Central List doesn't
appear to be going away for a very long time if ever. Maybe a bi-monthly or
monthly email to the entire List as a reminder of who to contact (MFI's) if
fraud is suspected. We need to all watch our backs. It will only get worse. 
Lets not allow differences between dealers and or mistakes stand in the way
but rather concentrate on the benefit for all of us, to rid of this pandemic
air borne disease of meteorite fraud. This hurts every single collector on
this List, whether I like you or you don't like me bla bla bla...the bottom
line is we have a common interest and that is the love of this great hobby. 
Lets protect it. Just my 2 cents is all. I know it sounds silly, but the
bottom line is Al is right, and somehow we need to stomp out these "greedy
meteorite flea fakes!" Say that 3 times fast! It's FAKES not FLAKES lol
Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html
IMCA #0960
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From: "al mitt" 
To: 
Cc: "Chris Spratt" 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar
Meteorites


> Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all,
>
> Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. 
> We
> also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I 
> would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to 
> be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not 
> talking about someone who has made a mistak

Re: [meteorite-list] meaning of breccia

[Dave Gheesling]

Thanks for this post, Dr. Rubin.  Sent my earlier comments too quickly, and
was more focused on the fact that list members like you should be commenting
on these sorts of things anyway -- and that private collectors shouldn't be
quoted (misquoted, in this event, or actually quoted when no prior quote
existed at all) as if their supposed opinion matters much anyway. 
All the best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-Original Message-
From: aeru...@ucla.edu [mailto:aeru...@ucla.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:23 AM
To: d...@fallingrocks.com
Cc: cdtuc...@cox.net; 'meteoritelist'; 'Greg'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meaning of breccia

Just a clarification of the word breccia.  A breccia is a rock that contains
distinct chunks or clasts.  If the clasts are all of the same lithology and
the host is the same lithology as the clasts, the rock is a monomict
breccia.  If the clasts or hosts are from different meteorite groups, the
rock is a polymict breccia.  Wasson coined the term "genomict breccia" for
chondrites that have clasts from the same group but of different petrologic
types (e.g., L5 and L6 clasts in an L-chondrite host). A regolith breccia is
a rock from the surface of its parent body.  A prime example is the
H-chondrite Dimmitt.  In addition to H4 and H5 clasts,the Dimmitt host
contains some H3 material.  There are also some carbonaceous chondrite
clasts (CM and unspecified C3) and an LL5 clast. Regolith breccias are also
typically rich in solar-wind-implanted rare gases and may contain mineral
grains with solar-flare particle tracks.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin second lithology

[Dave Gheesling]

Not if they are listed by Todd Parker, Chris. 
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin second lithology

There are two Mifflin listed on EBay right now. Are these now suspect?

Chris. Spratt
Victoira, BC
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin second lithology

[Dave Gheesling]

PS - Got sick of backtracking this thread already, but simply put, Carl,
don't put words in my mouth -- and don't do the same via third party either.
Have a nice day.
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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cdtuc...@cox.net
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:05 PM
To: meteoritelist; Greg
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin second lithology

List,
I am told that I need to add a few details to my defense of selling this
possible second (odd) looking lithology of Mifflin.
I must admit that I am a bit shocked how quick some people are to be judge ,
jury and executioner all in one swift swoop.
 
Way back when this first started selling I received a phone call out of the
blue from John Helm. he informed me that he had purchased a slice of mifflin
from Greg C.and Greg gave him my number.  
I was a bit surprised because the reason I had partnered with Greg is
because he being a big dealer he would be able to get top dollar for our
material. Whereas on eBay I get  chump change for the meteorites I sell. You
see Greg has a web site to sell from and  I don't. This was to be a win win
situation.
Back to the call; John informed me that he was suspicious of his recent
acquisition from Greg. I told John that this was the first I'd heard of this
and I had never seen any of the material once cut by Greg. I told John i
would get right back with him. 
So, I called Greg and he had already looked into this between the time John
called him and me. Greg assured me that Dave Gheesling was already aware of
this second lithology and it was definitely being found at Mifflin
strewnfield.
needless to say I was very happy this was so quickly resolved.
I immediately called John back and explained to him that this is not only
good mifflin material but, may end up actually being worth more than the
other lithology because it appears to be more rare, John invited me to hunt
with him if I ever get up to Wisconsin and we hung up friends.
It was not until a few weeks ago that Jason hit me with this bomb. 
I explained to Jason all of this and he chose not to agree with the
situation. 
As I said before. Jason is entitled to his opinion but I think he
overstepped his boundaries before this ends up getting resolved. 
Obviously more testing is going to have to be done and Dirk Ross has offered
to have the testing done. I just need to get a piece of this second
lithology and send it to him in Japan.
So, in the mean time people please relax and as was the case with NWA 5400
pairings. Be patient. That one took some special care as well but turned out
to be just fine. I certainly hope this turns out to be from the same fall
but we need the science to be sure. One thing is certain. There has been no
scam commited here and worse case is that everyone will get their money
back. 
Thank you.
Carl
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Re: [meteorite-list] CORRECTION Mifflin second lithology

[Dave Gheesling]

<> 

Hello Carl, Greg & All,

I haven't been following this thread, but the above sentence was just
brought to my attention and it needs a quick response.  

One, I have no recollection of saying this, other than perhaps to the extent
that a breccia, I suppose by definition, is composed of multiple
lithologies.  

Two, even if I did say this, I'm not sure that statement should carry any
weight coming from me.  There are several in the scientific community far
more qualified than I to make such definitive statements, and I think
they've sufficiently done so already.

Lastly, for now anyway, it's a shame that such a negative thread has emerged
from such a wonderful US fall.  My daughter and I were lucky enough to hunt
with some good friends up there for a couple of days.  We didn't find
anything ourselves, but I did acquire a stone found by another hunter and am
thrilled to have a complete stone from such a great event housed in my
collection.  There is another hunter with a few small, complete Mifflin
individuals who has expressed concern over his ability to market them in
light of this thread.  I don't normally acquire multiple stones from a
single location, but if his concerns prove true this will no doubt become an
exception ;-)

All the best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
cdtuc...@cox.net
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:05 PM
To: meteoritelist; Greg
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin second lithology

List,
I am told that I need to add a few details to my defense of selling this
possible second (odd) looking lithology of Mifflin.
I must admit that I am a bit shocked how quick some people are to be judge ,
jury and executioner all in one swift swoop.
 
Way back when this first started selling I received a phone call out of the
blue from John Helm. he informed me that he had purchased a slice of mifflin
from Greg C.and Greg gave him my number.  
I was a bit surprised because the reason I had partnered with Greg is
because he being a big dealer he would be able to get top dollar for our
material. Whereas on eBay I get  chump change for the meteorites I sell. You
see Greg has a web site to sell from and  I don't. This was to be a win win
situation.
Back to the call; John informed me that he was suspicious of his recent
acquisition from Greg. I told John that this was the first I'd heard of this
and I had never seen any of the material once cut by Greg. I told John i
would get right back with him. 
So, I called Greg and he had already looked into this between the time John
called him and me. Greg assured me that Dave Gheesling was already aware of
this second lithology and it was definitely being found at Mifflin
strewnfield.
needless to say I was very happy this was so quickly resolved.
I immediately called John back and explained to him that this is not only
good mifflin material but, may end up actually being worth more than the
other lithology because it appears to be more rare, John invited me to hunt
with him if I ever get up to Wisconsin and we hung up friends.
It was not until a few weeks ago that Jason hit me with this bomb. 
I explained to Jason all of this and he chose not to agree with the
situation. 
As I said before. Jason is entitled to his opinion but I think he
overstepped his boundaries before this ends up getting resolved. 
Obviously more testing is going to have to be done and Dirk Ross has offered
to have the testing done. I just need to get a piece of this second
lithology and send it to him in Japan.
So, in the mean time people please relax and as was the case with NWA 5400
pairings. Be patient. That one took some special care as well but turned out
to be just fine. I certainly hope this turns out to be from the same fall
but we need the science to be sure. One thing is certain. There has been no
scam commited here and worse case is that everyone will get their money
back. 
Thank you.
Carl
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Meteoritemax
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay

[dave]

I know I know!!

Trouble was, I started using the DH  format for labelling before the 
Dhofar meteorites were around! Pretty much all my specimens of minerals and 
meteorites have DH on them in little stickers - the gold specimen, for 
example has it as does the Imilac!  I never foresaw the confusion!

Yep, it's a bit of a grrr.
I have learnt not to label like that again and I will take that into my next 
life, if i have one!


thanks!

dave

- Original Message - 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" 
To: "'dave'" ; "'John.L.Cabassi'" 
; 

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay



G'Day Dave
Wow that's tough, caught me out :-)

Cheers John
( Mental note on labeling..speak to Dave )

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:53 PM
To: John.L.Cabassi; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay


Hi!
the label is my inventory number! DH 0838!
I wish I had thought of a different labelleing before I started my
numbers! I have had that asked a million times - and I regret it so
much! DH=Dave Harris, my monicker! thanks! dave (DH)

- Original Message - 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" 

To: "'dave'" ;

Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay



G'Day Dave
Regarding Cook 001
Right pic or wrong picLabeled DHO838

Cheers john
Imca 2125

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 11:39 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay


Hi folks

A few ebay thingies 2 meteorites and 2 non-meteorites

Cook 001
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745614682&ssPage
Na
me=STRK:MESELX:IT

Imilac
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745621327&ssPage
Na
me=STRK:MESELX:IT

Some Californian gold
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745619733&ssPage
Na
me=STRK:MESELX:IT

and some platinum wire
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745618600&ssPage
Na
me=STRK:MESELX:IT




thanks in anticipation

dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS
www.bimsociety.org

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay

[dave]

Hi!
the label is my inventory number! DH 0838!
I wish I had thought of a different labelleing before I started my numbers!
I have had that asked a million times - and I regret it so much!
DH=Dave Harris, my monicker!
thanks!
dave (DH)

- Original Message - 
From: "John.L.Cabassi" 
To: "'dave'" ; 


Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 9:28 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay



G'Day Dave
Regarding Cook 001
Right pic or wrong picLabeled DHO838

Cheers john
Imca 2125

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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 11:39 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - ebay


Hi folks

A few ebay thingies 2 meteorites and 2 non-meteorites

Cook 001
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745614682&ssPageNa
me=STRK:MESELX:IT

Imilac
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745621327&ssPageNa
me=STRK:MESELX:IT

Some Californian gold
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745619733&ssPageNa
me=STRK:MESELX:IT

and some platinum wire
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745618600&ssPageNa
me=STRK:MESELX:IT




thanks in anticipation

dave
IMCA #0092
Sec.BIMS
www.bimsociety.org

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[meteorite-list] AD - ebay

[dave]

Hi folks

A few ebay thingies 2 meteorites and 2 non-meteorites

Cook 001
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745614682&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

Imilac
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745621327&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

Some Californian gold
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745619733&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

and some platinum wire
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270745618600&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT




thanks in anticipation

dave
IMCA #0092
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Re: [meteorite-list] Congrats to the Count on Stump Springs 083. :)

[Dave Gheesling]

Top stuff, Count...congrats!
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Atkins
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:36 PM
To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Congrats to the Count on Stump Springs 083. :)

I've been set straight, should've looked into it before hitting the 'send'
button!
Nice find Count!


Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
 
IMCA # 1941
Ebay alienrockfarm
 


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From: Michael Gilmer 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2011 6:48 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Congrats to the Count on Stump Springs 083. :)


It's official - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=52752

Congrats all around!  :)


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[meteorite-list] Ad- Nininger spheroids, Garza kit & gold

[dave]

Hi
Just some meteorite-related doodads for auction on Ebay:

Some CD spheroids - large ones that are ex-Nininger and some smaller ones 
that aren't.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270738803373&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

A Garza Park Forest kit
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270738805302&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

and, not meteoritic, but a nice 1.4g crystalline edifice of gold from 
Mariposa, Ca.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270738800981&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

there are a couple of other bits and bobs as well, but OT, so not listed.

best
dave
IMCA #0092

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Re: [meteorite-list] dark flight kmz for TN 4/6/2011

[Dave Myers]

When I seen the flight path, I was hopeing it skiped over Cincinnati and landed 
on some of our family farms

Maybe I will get lucky!lol


Dave Myers






 


- Original Message 
From: Jim Wooddell 
To: Robert Woolard 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 8:41:06 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] dark flight kmz for TN 4/6/2011

I think these camera's are going to dial this program in and what we
are seeing now is the future.  At least at night time.  It can only
get better!

During this meteor, it appears the witness statements show this thing
going much further than the cameras do.

Jim


On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Robert Woolard
 wrote:
> I echo Jim's sentiments. This is OUR LIST at its best!
>
> Best wishes,
> Robert Woolard
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Jim Wooddell  wrote:
>
>> From: Jim Wooddell 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] dark flight kmz for TN 4/6/2011
>> To: "Mike Hankey" 
>> Cc: "meteoritelist" 
>> Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 7:25 PM
>> Mike, Bill and all!
>>
>> Thank you guys very much for this.
>>
>> Jim Wooddell
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[meteorite-list] AD - 1st ed. Mineralogy volume

[dave]

Hi,
Not strictly on topic of meteorites, but I have put on Ebay a particularly 
fine 1st American Edition (1874) of "DIAMONDS AND PRECIOUS STONES" 
Dieulafait, Louis.


Ex- Joseph Freilich scientific collection, this is about the best condition 
volume out there for its age.


If interested, clicky below!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270732439196

Again, thank you for your indulgence seems I may prob post this twice as 
even if I change my email formatting from rich text to plain text, seems i 
never see it in the Metlist digests - so forgive me in advance!


best regards
dave
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Re: [meteorite-list] ??SaharaMet...who are they!

[Dave Myers]

Hi Paul and list,

The NYT story is bad enough, But who are these meteorite hunters, Roland and 
Richard Pelisson who have the Sahara Met website.

They claim on there web site that NWA meteorites are "International Contraband" 
that support Terrorism.

It looks to me that they want all the NWA finds for them selfs.

Has anyone ever contacted them? They seem to have had a lot of there meteorites 
classified in the US. 


Just wondering if anyone knows these two guys, There does not seem to be much 
talk about them on this list?

Dave Myers

























 


- Original Message 
From: Paul H. 
To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 7:48:33 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] NYT Story – Overseas and Local Distribution

“Overseas list members, if you have the opportunity, 
please peruse the International Herald Tribune to 
see if they picked up the story and run it in its entirety.”

By searching the International Herald Tribune web site,
I found that it was published in this newspaper on 
April 4 at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=meteorites&st=cse


The entire story also appeared in the Sydney Morning 
Herald as “Souvenirs from space,” April 7, 2011,
http://www.smh.com.au/world/science/souvenirs-from-space-20110406-1d4g9.html

Also, it appeared at:

1. rssbroadcast,com, April 4, 2011
http://rssbroadcast.com/?p=40828
http://rssbroadcast.com/?p=40742

2. WA.today, Australia, April 6, 2011.
http://www.watoday.com.au/world/science/souvenirs-from-space-20110406-1d4g9.html

3. Yahoo News
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NorthAmexemObservers/message/10634

4. Daily Comet, Lafourche Parish Louisiana
http://www.dailycomet.com/article/NY/20110405/ZNYT03/104053033/1225/news100?Title=Black-Market-Trinkets-From-Space


5. A version of the New York Times story, “Il mercato nero 
dei meteoriti” appeared in the “Post” on April 6, 2011,
http://www.ilpost.it/2011/04/06/il-mercato-nero-dei-meteoriti/

This entire text of this article is making the rounds
of the Internet. This is something that definitely needs to
be considered in any response. It certainly will make 
preparing an effective response to the article quite difficult
as it is being reprinted, in some cases under different
titles and in different languages, in a wild range of media 
outlets.

To further complicate matters, the link to this article is
being posted a number of web sites. For example;

1. Egyptology News at:
http://egyptology.blogspot.com/2011/04/black-market-trinkets-from-space.html

2. environmental reporting at:
http://word.emerson.edu/sprg11jr364/2011/04/04/black-market-trinkets-from-space/

and 3. American Scientist
http://www.americanscientist.org/science/pub/-1875

Yours,

Paul H
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Re: [meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space

[Dave Gheesling]

Ditto, Jim (and Adam).
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Strope
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 8:49 PM
To: Meteorite Central
Subject: [meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space

I sure agree with Adam, 150%  He hit the nail on the head.

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038 

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
WOW!, 

This is very disturbing. I cannot listen to any more of this and say
nothing. 
The New York Times has reduced itself, once again, to a lousy rag by
demonstrating a bias towards bad news instead of the truth. It is this
ratings over responsibility attitude that is putting us into a bad light. 


What used to be considered a respectful hobby/avocation a few years ago is
going the way of the Treasure Hunter. Treasure hunters were considered the
lowest life form on the planet due to all of the bad press in the 70s and
80s. A few got lucky and found valuable items. A few got their 15 minutes
worth of fame and ruined it for everybody else by bragging, overvaluing
objects they found and making promises that were never kept. A few bad
apples broke the law and ruined it for everybody else who were legally
searching at the time. The press reported only the bad situations and the
next thing you know, half of the searchable property was off limits within a
single decade. Amateur treasure hunting is barely recovering from all this
decades later. Most treasure hunters have learned to keep quite while others
have not learned this valuable lesson. 


Unfortunately, my predication that the avocations of meteorite
hunting/collecting would go the same way as the treasure hunters a few years
ago is now approaching reality. It is easy to forget that it used to be
considered mutually beneficial for all involved to collaborate, the
scientist, the dealer and the collector alike. It seems with all of the new
interest, the press ignores this delicate collaboration and only seems to
focus on the bad and untrue. I have always said, you make enough noise good
or bad, you will attract attention, usually the wrong kind. It is disturbing
that meteorite hunting is now considered only treasure hunting when it goes
far beyond this. A few are ruining a perfectly respectably avocation by
focusing only on the treasure hunting and money aspect of it. 


Labs are closing down to the public, voluntary associations are tied up with
meteor wrongs, public land is being withdrawn from searching and idiots are
coming out of the woodwork to get a bite at the golden meteorite apple that
was promised on TV. These idiots think meteorites are lying around like
Easter Eggs and that breaking the law to get them might be alright too. Some
of these idiots have pronounced themselves meteoriticists and are garnering
as much press as possible spewing forth B.S. They are making legitimate
hunters, collectors and dealers all look bad. 


Sorry, needed to release some steam. I just hate to see a few ruin it for
the many. 




Adam 


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[dave]

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[meteorite-list] Lunar and Mars

[Dave Myers]

Good after noon Everyone!

Is there any Hardness data for each of the different Lunar and Mars meteorites 
and even for all the different typs of achondrites,

HED,Eucrites, Aubrites ect.


Thanks for any info.

Dave


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites

[Dave Myers]

Hi Carl and List,

I am confused, about the part "untill scentist are paid big bucks to test them" 
I was under the impression that all scentist that test
meteorites had a 9-5:00 job working for a University or JSC, and are more then 
likely paid quite well.

I would think there expertise is what dictates what gets tested. And after 
looking at Randys web page of the hundreds of
rocks that he and others are sent eack year and the few people there are who 
test them,it is know wonder they only test "Black Rocks"

But I am like the rest of you, 30 of my 51 years I have collecting the most 
strange, Igneous,metamorphic and sedimentary rocks I find in the glacier 
deposits. A 20,000 to 300,000 martian rock from the glacier, would not have a 
fusion crust. And if there made from the same minerals as our earth rocks" that 
show little sign of weathering after the glacier dumped them 1000's of years 
ago, Then there also must be Lunars and martian meteorites in the mix that was 
frozen the glacier ice!!

But a sedimentary martian, after a high heat impact look more like a igneous 
breccia? melt glass, shocked the whole works

Just my thoughts, ( And I am also not knocking our scentist) But what was said 
before just sounded like scentist were working out of there basement testing 
meteorites. 


Dave Myers





 


- Original Message 
From: "cdtuc...@cox.net" 
To: Martin Altmann ; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 6:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites

Martin,
You ask; Why do I think so?
Its simple. We know they are there.
If people were paid to study all rocks found in Antarctica and all of the other 
way way out of place rocks. Then they would not be overlooked as they are today.
The truth is that many rocks collected even from ice fields are later rejected 
and deemed  meteorwrongs. They are being rejected particularly if they have NO 
fusion crust or odd chemistries. I have seen obvious meteorites that are 
rejected because they don't fit neatly into the stuff we already know. If NASA 
would pay our Scientists to follow through on some of these prospects, I am 
sure 
some of them would be verified. 

The best example that comes to mind is D'Orbigny. It was totally rejected for a 
long time and by a lot of different people including NASA folks. I think Darryl 
said, Had it been recognized, he would be the one living well in Oregon today.  
Well, luckily someone was paid enough to take the time to further study it and 
to me. It is one of the most spectacular meteorite I've ever seen. 

That is the point. If we are to find sedimentary meteorites. We need to begin 
to 
study odd rocks found out of place that have no fusion crust.
It is clear from the only science we have that sedimentary rocks have either 
white crusts or no crust at all. 


To that point. I guarantee you right now that there is not a meteorite 
scientist 
on this planet today that would bother to study a rock without crust. 

Just ask them. Any of them. Ask them if they would study a rock without crust 
and I guarantee they would say NO.
I mean why should they?
There are enough rocks with crust that are obvious. So, why bother with rocks 
that are likely going to be wrongs?
Do the math. Unless and until these people are properly paid to possibly waste 
their own valuable time, they are simply not going to do it. 

So, that is why I say. Once we begin to pay these people to study any and all 
out of place rocks we will never find any sedimentary meteorites. Because they 
will likely have no fusion crust. These rocks will continue to be pigeon holed 
into categories of the wrongs. 

This crust issue could start a whole new argument of it's own but, our Science 
shows that crust falls off. Especially on this type of stone. 

I am not knocking our Scientists at all. In fact I respect them. That is why I 
say. NASA needs to pay them . 

We know there has to be sedimentary meteorites just as we know their must be 
life elsewhere. We have the ability to find the one but, the other may take 
time. 

Carl
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Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Martin Altmann  wrote: 
> Hiho,
> 
> >I think we will find sedimentary meteorites in a hurry.
> 
> Why do you think so?
> 
> 
> To me it seems even not so easy and trivial to find a "normal" Martian
> meteorite.
> 
> There are only 56 among the 10,000-20,000 different meteorites known.
> 
> And among the 40,000-100,000+++ stones and fragments picked up in
> Antarctica, only 25 stones or so were Martians.(of 15 different).
> 
> Falls...    1200+ observed falls - all the same 4 came down.
> 
> On the whole North American continent only 1 Martian was found so far. (and
> 1 in an old collection).
> 
> Hence if Martian sediments were only as numerous as "normal" Martian
> meteorites, 

[meteorite-list] When is a Iron Meteorite too small to have tested.

[Dave Myers]

Dear List,

When is a possible iron meteorite too small to have tested? What looks like a 
tiny oriented iron. Is only 7mm long,
5mm high by 4mm wide. I am not sure what the weight would be? maybe a gram? 
maybe alot less. No clue.

In 2010 I went to my cousins farm, (rock hunting) Got out of my Jeep, walked 30 
yards along a hay-field, crossed a creek
and started looking at glacier rocks on a gravel bar, when I seen it was stuck 
to my magnet, I always have my camera, so I took pictures. It seems the surface 
rust is very thin. It turned black from the oils on my fingers in just a couple 
of days.

I did file a window, it is solid, no gas holes. So I am thinking this may be 
too 
small to test, "not sure what is required."

If I did my own acid etch, and it did produce a widmanstatten pattern, like 
a Cape York iron, Is that 100% proff that it is a meteorite?

I would donate 100% of somthing this small, just to say, I found the 13th, 
meteorite in Ohio. Like I am sure most people would. 

Any way here is a facebook link with pictures, for thows interested. I also 
posted a glacier map of Ohio and plotted all meteorites found here. It is 
interesting that most were found in the glacier boundry.


http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=65953&id=10209843157&l=ae4ac4cc16


dave Myers


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] What?! & now FACEBOOK

[Dave Gheesling]

Great points Walter, and there's a large group of us who have been guilty of
same over the years.  It's been interesting of late to watch the groundswell
of meteorite community activity on FACEBOOK -- and how that "more personal"
environment evidently mitigates, substantially, foot-in-mouth syndrome.  The
list will always be the list, and a wonderful thing it is.  Yet it's amazing
what having one's face next to every post seems to do to the general dynamic
there.  Anyone else noticed that...?
All best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Walter
Branch
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:41 PM
To: Meteorite Central
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What?!!!

Hello Michael and List,

Your apology was forthright and sincere.  Kudos to you.

I have also put my foot in my mouth many times over the years on this list
and I should know better.  From recent memory, I owe apologies to Bill
Mason, Sonny Clary Geoff Notkin, and the entire Jet propulsion laboratory.

I am sure there are others.

Depersonalization is what is it called and what we have to guard against. 
It is so easy to type on a keyboard then hit "send."  Too easy.  Easier than
regular mail.  We write things we would never say in public, not realizing
that we literally are writing to a world-wide public audience.

To no one in particular and at the risk of sounding paternalisitc (not
meanding to) I often tell my patients, "just because you CAN do something
doesn't mean you SHOULD.  With the privilge comes responsilbity. Don't
exercise responsibility and you lose the privlige.

Anyway, off soapbox now.  Kudos again to you.  Hope to read more of your
posts soon.

-Walter Branch

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[meteorite-list] Oman

[Dave Dave]

Hi list,

was looking for Mike for some time
heard a rumor that Mike is in prison in Oman. Is it true?

dave


  
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[meteorite-list] Test1

[Dave Dave]

Just test
delete


  
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[meteorite-list] Ad - Meteor Crater pepper shaker

[dave]

Hi,
Just an aide-memoire to say it's the last 7 hours for this rather cute and 
kitschy bit of meteor kitchenalia


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Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations Todd Parker

[Dave Gheesling]

That's six ice cold finds...in the middle of nowhere...top stuff Todd! 
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:47 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations Todd Parker

Hi List,

I would like to congratulate Todd Parker on his new Arizona chondrite
discovery. I had the pleasure of hunting with Todd Parker and Larry Atkins
recently in the Arizona desert. While Larry and I were sitting on a hill
taking a water break with Brix, Larry's phone rang with a very excited Todd
on the other end. We could see him down below us, so we quickly rushed over
to see what he had found. We saw a beautiful chondrite in situ. Todd was
recording his find and preparing to take a photograph when Brix ran up and
gave the meteorite a sniff and a lick. 
Todd was the first one to see the meteorite and Brix was the first (and
only) one to lick it! : ) It is a  30-40 gram chondrite with fusion crust
and visible metal flakes on on the broken end. It looks like Lawrence may
have another meteorite to classify from Arizona. 
Congratulations Todd!

Link to pictures below.

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html

Sonny
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