Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!
Great 'cricket scratch", Kevin! I enjoyed a mighty laugh at 135 degrees past 1:00 PM today. Now I find that I contemplate a box of that fine wine, but not sure if I am up to that task as I might fall down... ;-) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Kevin Kichinka Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:35 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In! Team Meteorite: The wind is howling to the stars on a chilly (22*C/72&F) night here on the central plateau of Costa Rica. Thanks to the miracle of modern refrigeration, I've just utilized the 'last breast' from Thanksgiving to make Turkey Chowder for dinner. As a single guy living alone, there's probably some symbolism there. To work off the enzymes and growth hormones knowingly consumed in that last breast, I stepped out on my patio with a glass of Chilean wine I poured out of a box. The second I opened the door, the choir of crickets cut off their chorus. "Hey, it's just me. Sing on!" I requested in Spanish. Bueno. "Chirp, chirp, chirp" cantaban los grillos. Even the insects are friendly here. I like it. While wishing with all my might that Steve of Chicago can find a partner to exchange a "Gao with sexual orientation, flow lips and a rollover line" for a copy of THE Bob Haag's Catalogue from 1985 (and hoping, too, that the prices are 'still in effect'), I pondered the good Dr. Jeff Grossman's work to refine a 'fall', going where no man has gone before. Pull the tab-top off of your box of wine and join me under the windy stars while I review how this played out on the m-list, what was until now the uncontested definition of a meteorite 'fall'. Hey, hey. This is a classy discussion. I know its poured from a box, but no Dixie cups, OK? Only 'Glass' glass. First the gauntlet was thrown. Note the conviction of Jeff's opening three word volley "In all seriousness ... I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the definition of "fall." The categories I've considered are these, and the definitions are first passes: Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with instruments, and collected soon after the event. The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur immediately, directly points to a fall at the time of the observed event. Unobserved fall: No observations were made of a fall event, but physical evidence conclusively points to a fall on a specific date or within a very narrow range of dates. Probable fall: In these cases, there was a well-documented meteor event with characteristics consistent with a meteorite fall, followed by the collection of meteorites some time later. There is a strong likelihood that the meteorite fell in the observed event, but physical evidence is not fully conclusive. Possible fall: The same situation as a probable fall, but there is significant doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the reliability of the observations of the event. Doubtful fall: The same situation as a possible fall, but there is a high degree of doubt. This was all suggested by the circumstances surrounding the Bene(a) and (b) meteorites, which I would have put in the "possible fall" category, if such a thing existed. Jeff " *** Ships may pass quietly in the night, but the list threw anchor on this one and prepared to send broadsides. The esteemed and most respected Anne M. Black (is it true that the 'M' stands for 'meteorite'?) came down on the 'logical side' and supported Jeff's new terminology. The Most Excellent Paul Swartz put on the same uniform and ran a lap for the team. But Michael Farmer fired the first volley - "I find this new attempt to change terminology disturbing. I have hundreds of old catalogs from the top museums and dealers from more than 200 years ago till today, all of them list falls and finds. None of them discuss unobserved falls as an acceptable alternative. Are we really ready to just accept anything thrown out there, and watch as all manner of BS is used to discredit hundreds of years of accepted terminology? Adding "Any label I get describin
Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!
That was beautifully written, Kevin. You should write a book! (ha ha). Msy all your Costa Rican nights be filled with stars and box wine. Anita --- On Wed, 1/9/13, Thomas Webb wrote: From: Thomas Webb Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In! To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Kevin Kichinka" Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 1:03 AM Kevin, Hilarious! I think I need a box of that wine! Thomas --- On Wed, 1/9/13, Kevin Kichinka wrote: > From: Kevin Kichinka > Subject: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In! > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 12:35 AM > Team Meteorite: > > The wind is howling to the stars on a chilly (22*C/72&F) > night here on > the central plateau of Costa Rica. > > Thanks to the miracle of modern refrigeration, I've just > utilized the > 'last breast' from Thanksgiving to make Turkey Chowder for > dinner. As > a single guy living alone, there's probably some symbolism > there. > > To work off the enzymes and growth hormones knowingly > consumed in that > last breast, I stepped out on my patio with a glass of > Chilean wine I > poured out of a box. The second I opened the door, the choir > of > crickets cut off their chorus. > > "Hey, it's just me. Sing on!" I requested in Spanish. > > Bueno. "Chirp, chirp, chirp" cantaban los > grillos. > > Even the insects are friendly here. I like it. > > While wishing with all my might that Steve of Chicago can > find a > partner to exchange a "Gao with sexual orientation, flow > lips and a > rollover line" for a copy of THE Bob Haag's Catalogue from > 1985 (and > hoping, too, that the prices are 'still in effect'), I > pondered the > good Dr. Jeff Grossman's work to refine a 'fall', going > where no man > has gone before. > > Pull the tab-top off of your box of wine and join me under > the windy > stars while I review how this played out on the m-list, what > was until > now the uncontested definition of a meteorite 'fall'. > > Hey, hey. This is a classy discussion. I know its poured > from a box, > but no Dixie cups, OK? Only 'Glass' glass. > > First the gauntlet was thrown. Note the conviction of Jeff's > opening > three word volley > > "In all seriousness > > ... I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the > definition > of "fall." The categories I've considered are these, > and the > definitions are first passes: > > Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with > instruments, > and collected soon after the event. The event was well > documented. > Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites > is consistent > with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur > immediately, > directly points to a fall at the time of the observed > event. > > Unobserved fall: No observations were made of a fall event, > but physical > evidence conclusively points to a fall on a specific date or > within a > very narrow range of dates. > > Probable fall: In these cases, there was a well-documented > meteor event > with characteristics consistent with a meteorite fall, > followed by the > collection of meteorites some time later. There is a strong > likelihood > that the meteorite fell in the observed event, but physical > evidence is > not fully conclusive. > > Possible fall: The same situation as a probable fall, but > there is > significant doubt about whether the meteorite is connected > to the event > or about the reliability of the observations of the event. > > Doubtful fall: The same situation as a possible fall, but > there is a > high degree of doubt. > > This was all suggested by the circumstances surrounding the > Bene(a) > and (b) meteorites, which I would have put in the "possible > fall" > category, if such a thing existed. > > Jeff " > > *** > Ships may pass quietly in the night, but the list threw > anchor on this > one and prepared to send broadsides. > > The esteemed and most respected Anne M. Black (is it true > that the 'M' > stands for 'meteorite'?) came down on the 'logical side' and > supported > Jeff's new terminology. The Most Excellent Paul Swartz put > on the same > uniform and ran a lap for the team. > > But Michael Farmer fired the first volley - "I find this new > attempt &g
Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!
Great Kevin! Glad someone is thinking outside the box. Now where the heck did I put my glass. Hope to find you in Tucson some day, but don't fall out of favor. Murray On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:03 PM, John Lutzon wrote: > > Great read!, Kevin > > Perfect "out of the Box" composition. > > John Lutzon > > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Kichinka" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:35 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In! > > > Team Meteorite: > > The wind is howling to the stars on a chilly (22*C/72&F) night here on > the central plateau of Costa Rica. > > Thanks to the miracle of modern refrigeration, I've just utilized the > 'last breast' from Thanksgiving to make Turkey Chowder for dinner. As > a single guy living alone, there's probably some symbolism there. > > To work off the enzymes and growth hormones knowingly consumed in that > last breast, I stepped out on my patio with a glass of Chilean wine I > poured out of a box. The second I opened the door, the choir of > crickets cut off their chorus. > > "Hey, it's just me. Sing on!" I requested in Spanish. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!
Great read!, Kevin Perfect "out of the Box" composition. John Lutzon - Original Message - From: "Kevin Kichinka" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In! Team Meteorite: The wind is howling to the stars on a chilly (22*C/72&F) night here on the central plateau of Costa Rica. Thanks to the miracle of modern refrigeration, I've just utilized the 'last breast' from Thanksgiving to make Turkey Chowder for dinner. As a single guy living alone, there's probably some symbolism there. To work off the enzymes and growth hormones knowingly consumed in that last breast, I stepped out on my patio with a glass of Chilean wine I poured out of a box. The second I opened the door, the choir of crickets cut off their chorus. "Hey, it's just me. Sing on!" I requested in Spanish. Bueno. "Chirp, chirp, chirp" cantaban los grillos. Even the insects are friendly here. I like it. While wishing with all my might that Steve of Chicago can find a partner to exchange a "Gao with sexual orientation, flow lips and a rollover line" for a copy of THE Bob Haag's Catalogue from 1985 (and hoping, too, that the prices are 'still in effect'), I pondered the good Dr. Jeff Grossman's work to refine a 'fall', going where no man has gone before. Pull the tab-top off of your box of wine and join me under the windy stars while I review how this played out on the m-list, what was until now the uncontested definition of a meteorite 'fall'. Hey, hey. This is a classy discussion. I know its poured from a box, but no Dixie cups, OK? Only 'Glass' glass. First the gauntlet was thrown. Note the conviction of Jeff's opening three word volley "In all seriousness ... I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the definition of "fall." The categories I've considered are these, and the definitions are first passes: Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with instruments, and collected soon after the event. The event was well documented. Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur immediately, directly points to a fall at the time of the observed event. Unobserved fall: No observations were made of a fall event, but physical evidence conclusively points to a fall on a specific date or within a very narrow range of dates. Probable fall: In these cases, there was a well-documented meteor event with characteristics consistent with a meteorite fall, followed by the collection of meteorites some time later. There is a strong likelihood that the meteorite fell in the observed event, but physical evidence is not fully conclusive. Possible fall: The same situation as a probable fall, but there is significant doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the reliability of the observations of the event. Doubtful fall: The same situation as a possible fall, but there is a high degree of doubt. This was all suggested by the circumstances surrounding the Bene(a) and (b) meteorites, which I would have put in the "possible fall" category, if such a thing existed. Jeff " *** Ships may pass quietly in the night, but the list threw anchor on this one and prepared to send broadsides. The esteemed and most respected Anne M. Black (is it true that the 'M' stands for 'meteorite'?) came down on the 'logical side' and supported Jeff's new terminology. The Most Excellent Paul Swartz put on the same uniform and ran a lap for the team. But Michael Farmer fired the first volley - "I find this new attempt to change terminology disturbing. I have hundreds of old catalogs from the top museums and dealers from more than 200 years ago till today, all of them list falls and finds. None of them discuss unobserved falls as an acceptable alternative. Are we really ready to just accept anything thrown out there, and watch as all manner of BS is used to discredit hundreds of years of accepted terminology? Adding "Any label I get describing a meteorite as an "unobserved fall" will be promptly thrown where it belongs, in the trash heap of schemes and scams. Well into his second box of red, Jim Wooddell exclaimed in support, "I don't often agree with Michael Farmer, but when I do, I am drinking! Stay thirsty my friends! Good advice, Jim! John Cabassi "sees no reason to change." Bill Kies came up with his best contribution ever when he explained " If all finds are falls and all falls are finds, even though all falls haven't been found and all finds have been found, a fall has to be found before
Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!
Kevin, Hilarious! I think I need a box of that wine! Thomas --- On Wed, 1/9/13, Kevin Kichinka wrote: > From: Kevin Kichinka > Subject: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In! > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 12:35 AM > Team Meteorite: > > The wind is howling to the stars on a chilly (22*C/72&F) > night here on > the central plateau of Costa Rica. > > Thanks to the miracle of modern refrigeration, I've just > utilized the > 'last breast' from Thanksgiving to make Turkey Chowder for > dinner. As > a single guy living alone, there's probably some symbolism > there. > > To work off the enzymes and growth hormones knowingly > consumed in that > last breast, I stepped out on my patio with a glass of > Chilean wine I > poured out of a box. The second I opened the door, the choir > of > crickets cut off their chorus. > > "Hey, it's just me. Sing on!" I requested in Spanish. > > Bueno. "Chirp, chirp, chirp" cantaban los > grillos. > > Even the insects are friendly here. I like it. > > While wishing with all my might that Steve of Chicago can > find a > partner to exchange a "Gao with sexual orientation, flow > lips and a > rollover line" for a copy of THE Bob Haag's Catalogue from > 1985 (and > hoping, too, that the prices are 'still in effect'), I > pondered the > good Dr. Jeff Grossman's work to refine a 'fall', going > where no man > has gone before. > > Pull the tab-top off of your box of wine and join me under > the windy > stars while I review how this played out on the m-list, what > was until > now the uncontested definition of a meteorite 'fall'. > > Hey, hey. This is a classy discussion. I know its poured > from a box, > but no Dixie cups, OK? Only 'Glass' glass. > > First the gauntlet was thrown. Note the conviction of Jeff's > opening > three word volley > > "In all seriousness > > ... I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the > definition > of "fall." The categories I've considered are these, > and the > definitions are first passes: > > Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with > instruments, > and collected soon after the event. The event was well > documented. > Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites > is consistent > with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur > immediately, > directly points to a fall at the time of the observed > event. > > Unobserved fall: No observations were made of a fall event, > but physical > evidence conclusively points to a fall on a specific date or > within a > very narrow range of dates. > > Probable fall: In these cases, there was a well-documented > meteor event > with characteristics consistent with a meteorite fall, > followed by the > collection of meteorites some time later. There is a strong > likelihood > that the meteorite fell in the observed event, but physical > evidence is > not fully conclusive. > > Possible fall: The same situation as a probable fall, but > there is > significant doubt about whether the meteorite is connected > to the event > or about the reliability of the observations of the event. > > Doubtful fall: The same situation as a possible fall, but > there is a > high degree of doubt. > > This was all suggested by the circumstances surrounding the > Bene(a) > and (b) meteorites, which I would have put in the "possible > fall" > category, if such a thing existed. > > Jeff " > > *** > Ships may pass quietly in the night, but the list threw > anchor on this > one and prepared to send broadsides. > > The esteemed and most respected Anne M. Black (is it true > that the 'M' > stands for 'meteorite'?) came down on the 'logical side' and > supported > Jeff's new terminology. The Most Excellent Paul Swartz put > on the same > uniform and ran a lap for the team. > > But Michael Farmer fired the first volley - "I find this new > attempt > to change terminology disturbing. I have hundreds of old > catalogs from > the top museums and dealers from more than 200 years ago > till today, > all of them list falls and finds. None of them discuss > unobserved > falls as an acceptable alternative. Are we really ready to > just accept > anything thrown out there, and watch as all manner of BS is > used to > disc
