Re: [meteorite-list] About the swedish fossile-meteorites (from the news-group archives 1997)

2003-10-03 Thread joseph_town
Hi all,

Current hysteria is centered elsewhere. I can't wait to hear stories about 
the adventures in India. I wish I were there making deals with rebels and 
brigands around a campfire or better yet a fine hotel.

Bill Kieskowski
> Hi,
> 
> Omigod! The Nakhla Mollusk! Did anyone actually see this Mollusk
> being struck by the meteorite? Or is this merely a hysterical rumor
> being spread far and wide in the Mollusk community?
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
> 
> 
> Pekka Savolainen wrote:
> 
> >  If the odds were not bent enough,
> >it appears that the meteorite hit an
> >  Ordovician mollusk
> >which is fossilized in conjunction with the meteorite!
> >(Spratt and Stephens, 1992, p.53)
> >
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] About the swedish fossile-meteorites (from the news-group archives 1997)

2003-10-02 Thread j . divelbiss
What rumor? We are serious about such things. It is more likely this type of 
voracious mollusk swallowed the meteoroid by mistake, and then ended up with 
a blockage in its' bowel that just wouldn't clear.  

Most of the bulky mollusk in those days probably could take a direct impact 
hit...almost like water off its' back you might say. I like the swallowing 
theory a little more.

Feeling the same pain on occasion,

John

 
> Hi,
> 
> Omigod! The Nakhla Mollusk! Did anyone actually see this Mollusk
> being struck by the meteorite? Or is this merely a hysterical rumor
> being spread far and wide in the Mollusk community?
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
> 
> 
> Pekka Savolainen wrote:
> 
> >  If the odds were not bent enough,
> >it appears that the meteorite hit an
> >  Ordovician mollusk
> >which is fossilized in conjunction with the meteorite!
> >(Spratt and Stephens, 1992, p.53)
> >
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] About the swedish fossile-meteorites (from the news-group archives 1997)

2003-10-02 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi,

Omigod! The Nakhla Mollusk! Did anyone actually see this Mollusk
being struck by the meteorite? Or is this merely a hysterical rumor
being spread far and wide in the Mollusk community?

Sterling K. Webb


Pekka Savolainen wrote:

>  If the odds were not bent enough,
>it appears that the meteorite hit an
>  Ordovician mollusk
>which is fossilized in conjunction with the meteorite!
>(Spratt and Stephens, 1992, p.53)
>


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[meteorite-list] About the swedish fossile-meteorites (from the news-group archives 1997)

2003-10-02 Thread Pekka Savolainen




Some older (1997) from the news-groups.

pekka s


From: 
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Subject: Re: News; 17 fossil meteorites in Sweden 


  

  
  


  
  

  

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Date: 1997/10/11 

In Message-Id:   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Just heard on the news that a researchteam from the
>university of Gvteborg found 17 meteorites buried
>480 million years ago at kinekulle in Sweden.
>It was mentioned at the newsprogram "Dagens Eko"
>by Birger Schmitz from the researchteam.

Apparently people have been finding all sorts of
meteorites in Ordovician limestones of Sweden.
For example, in the October 3, 1997 issue of
of "Science," there is:

Schmitz, B. Peucker-Ehrenbrink, Lindstrom, M.,
and Tassinari, M. (1997) Accretion Rates of Meteorites 
andCosmic Dust in the Early Ordovician. Science
volume 278, number 5335, pp. 88-90.

The abstract begins, "Abundant fossil meteorites in 
marine, conde
nsed Lower Ordovician limestones..." 

Other instances of fossil meteorites are discussed in 
Hansen and Berstrom (1997).  They note that the first of
the specimens was a 4-inch in diameter meteorite discovered
middle Ordovician Limestone in 1951.  It was not
described until 1981 by Thorslund and Wickman (1981).
In 1988, another swedish meteorite, called "Osterplana 1,"
was discovered in Lower Ordovician Limestone about
5 million years older and 300 miles away from the first
(Hansen and Berstrom 1997, pp. 1).

Twelve more meteorites have been found at the Thorsberg
Limestone Quarry.  Hansen and Berstrom (1997, pp. 3) state:

  "A 10-foot-thick section of the Holen ("Orthoceratite") 
   Limestone, of Early Middle Ordovician age, is extracted
   at the Thorsberg quarry and sawed into thin slabs that
   are used for windowsills and floor tile. Quarry workers
   discarded slabs with impurities, such as the meteorites,
   until Professor Maurits Lindstrom of the University of
   S
tockholm alerted them to save such slabs. The 12
   specimens were recovered between 1992 and 1996. Ten of
   the specimens were recovered from a 2-foot-thick bed of 
   limestone and may represent a single meteorite fall. The 
   other three specimens were recovered from two separate 
   levels above this layer. Seven of the specimens, collected 
   between 1993 ant 1996, are from a quarried limestone 
   volume of no more than about 127,000 cubic feet. Most 
   of the specimens are now on display at the Stiftelsen Paleo 
   Geology Center in Lidkoping, Sweden. 
   
   The Thorsberg quarry meteorites range in size from about
   0.5 to 3.5 inches in diameter and have been almost 
   completely replaced (pseudomorphosed) by calcite and
   barite. The dark, reddish brown meteorite masses look
   like iron nodules surrounded by a zone of lighter colored
   limestone and would be mistaken by many people for
   common sedimentary features. However, they contain
   grains of ch
romite and have a high iridium content, 
   among other confirming characteristics of extraterrestrial
   origin."

Reference Cited

Hasen, M. C., and Bergstrom, S. M.. 1997, Ancient
meteorites. Ohio Geology, Spring 1997. 

Further Readings from Hansen and Berstrom (1997) about
the Swedish meteorites.

Nystrom, J. O., and Wickman, F. E. (1991) The Ordovician 
  chondrite from Brunflo, central Sweden; II, Secondary
  minerals. Lithos. volume 27, number 3, pp. 167-185.

Nystrom, J. O., Lindstrom, M., and Wickman, F. E.,
  (1988) Discovery of a second Ordovician meteorite
  using chromite as a tracer. Nature. volume 336, 
  pp. 572-574. 

Schmitz, B., Lindstrom, M., Asaro, F., and Tassinari, M.,
  (1996) Geochemistry of meteorite-rich marine limestone 
  strata and fossil meteorites from the Lower Ordovician 
  at Kinnekulle, Sweden. Earth and Planetary Science 
  Letters. volume 145, pp. 31-48. 

Thorslund, Per, and Wickman, F. E. (1981) Midd
le 
  Ordovician chondrite in fossiliferous limestone from 
  Brunflo, central Sweden. Nature. volume 289, 
  pp. 285-286. 

Thorslund, Per., Wickman, F. E., and Nystrom, J. O. 
  (1984) The Ordovician chondrite from Brunflo, central
  Sweden, I. General description and primary minerals.
  Lithos. volume 17, pp. 87-100.

++ Many Other Meteorites ++

For many more cases of meteorites, see,
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/dave_matson/

And go to "Library: Modern Documents: Dave Matson: Young 
Earth: Specific Arguments: Meteor" at:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/dave_matson/young-earth
/specific_arguments/meteor.html

Dave Matson at the above URL wrote:

   "After reviewing such difficulties, geologist Davis 
   Young (1988, p.127) tells us that, 'The chances of 
   finding a fossil meteorite in sed
imentary rocks are
   remote. It is not to be expected.' G. J. McCall, in 
   Meteorites and Their Origins (1973, p.270), said, 'The 
   lack of fossil record of true meteorites is puzzling, but